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Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 2: We got lots just.

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Speaker 3: We got lost. Just sad. What a becker here?

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Speaker 2: And we hope you say because we got lost, just say, yeah, we.

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Speaker 3: Got lots to say.

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Speaker 2: Here's Bobby that hey walk home where.

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Speaker 1: I'm a jersey, new jersey sent to me by the

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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 2: Keep pounding, baby, dude, you were on that train for

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Speaker 2: a while. I'm so happy that somebody responded. And now

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Speaker 2: you've got your jersey. You look good in that color.

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Speaker 2: It's weird because I'm not a blue guy. Is this blue?

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Speaker 2: It's very blue? Are you color blue? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: A little bit, a lot of it or a lot

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, it all starts to really blend together. If

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Speaker 2: Well that's about as blue as you possibly can get,

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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, I keep pounding with the Panthers my team now,

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Speaker 1: and they sent me a whole box. I had jerseys and.

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Speaker 2: They send you some pads in apparel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I p Iu'm a name on the jersey. I

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Speaker 1: saw that a double name though, which is weird, and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. But both names is kind of weird

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Speaker 1: because as Bobby Bones, they could have gone with Bones

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Speaker 1: or Bobby. I'm not complaining, just thought.

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Speaker 2: It was a little weird. Well, yeah, you rarely see

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Speaker 2: both names, but it's it fits right, Bobby Bones. It's

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Speaker 1: I feel like a tool. I'm happy for I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put the jersey up. I have a bunch of jerseys

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, You've got to rocket for at least a

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Speaker 2: week where you walk around in the community. This is

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Speaker 1: I don't walk in a community period, regardless of what

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Speaker 1: walk here. I can see you, yeah, around the house, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Well go you.

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Speaker 1: I was walking out and my wife goes, what are

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Speaker 2: What am I wearing? Pounding? This is my team?

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Speaker 1: And she said, where'd you get the jersey. I said,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get used to it.

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Speaker 1: When I said, get used chances because every.

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Speaker 2: Sunday, I'll be wearing this jersey right in front of

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Speaker 2: the television watching the Carolina and pants that Panthers ball out.

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Speaker 1: They won thirty nothing this last week? Did they embarrassed?

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Speaker 2: The Falcons embarrassed. It was the only game.

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Speaker 1: That was more embarrassing was the Indiana Illinois college football again,

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Speaker 2: I was there. Yes, that was more embarrassing for ILLINOI

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Speaker 1: And we'll do the Panther game first briefly because again

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Speaker 2: I mean he Panix was off in that game, and

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about saying somebody's playing bad for you.

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Speaker 1: I take back what I said. That was a bad

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Speaker 1: Signetti to me after that game, I think, not that

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Speaker 2: I was like, I gott dust this Bailey off and

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Speaker 1: A little blue black como. Oh yeah, blue black. I

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Speaker 1: The Gundy got fired at Oklahoma State and that's where

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Speaker 2: Other people are not willing to do that, and as

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Speaker 2: And then organ goes out and just absolutely drums them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When Dan Lanning said some people don't pay so they

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's the way, exactly what he said. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Let's go back and forth as always. You can go first,

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Speaker 1: And when he's over there, he's got all his jewelry,

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Speaker 2: Earn your stripes before you go out and flaunt the ice.

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Speaker 2: Rookie. I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: You ever earned, you've earned it. If it's a rookie Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Just him standing on the sideline and he's wearing pads

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Speaker 2: that's my point. Yeah, those are. That's not like I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, earn it. Have your first start, maybe even a

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Speaker 1: I'll be alternating out with Russell Wilson tonight, watch me

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Speaker 2: Regardless of the head. But don't they already two divisional

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the dynamics of this team is switched because

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Speaker 1: So the Chiefs are one and two. Let's just say

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Speaker 2: I would say Trevor Lawrence has been on the struggle bus.

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Speaker 2: Then we got to go on a run because they've

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Speaker 1: But all you have to do that's the hardest division.

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Speaker 2: And I mean it's a testament to him as a

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Speaker 1: Massive when just because it's Baltimore, like that's a statement,

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Speaker 2: Week, right because everybody's like, well, what are they going

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Speaker 2: You know that was my other point, Man one hundred.

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Speaker 2: just runs the show man. All right, let's go with

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Speaker 2: the winless teams. We have six win less teams left.

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Speaker 2: God dang, they're so sick. There's let's pick the worst.

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Speaker 2: So we have Jets and Dolphins both winless and they're

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Speaker 1: Titans and Texans both winless. The Giants have not won,

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Speaker 2: I mean it might be the hometown right now with

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not the Texans.

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Speaker 2: They haven't been playing well. Their offensive line has been awful.

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Speaker 1: They almost boy, you hate to compare almost, but when

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean the Titans just you've got a rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 2: I hate to do that to the Titans, but you

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Speaker 1: So I'll go Titans at one the worst. Yeah, Saints

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Speaker 2: There might be or he might look take the NFL

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Speaker 1: gonna How long is Justin Fields out? He was week

433
00:20:13,136 --> 00:20:14,975
Speaker 1: to week because of a concussion, right, is he going

434
00:20:15,016 --> 00:20:15,616
Speaker 1: to play next week?

435
00:20:15,656 --> 00:20:17,016
Speaker 2: I think he'll play next week probably.

436
00:20:18,056 --> 00:20:21,936
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to put the Jets at for

437
00:20:22,215 --> 00:20:24,296
Speaker 1: the Dolphins at five. I think, excuse me, the Texans

438
00:20:24,336 --> 00:20:26,496
Speaker 1: of five. I think the Dolphins are the best winless

439
00:20:26,495 --> 00:20:30,696
Speaker 1: team because they've won before, and if I had to

440
00:20:30,696 --> 00:20:33,215
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback from all of them, I think I'm picking.

441
00:20:34,856 --> 00:20:37,536
Speaker 1: I mean, it's between two and Stroud and Stroud really

442
00:20:37,696 --> 00:20:40,016
Speaker 1: had a great rookie year, but even last year. Last

443
00:20:40,056 --> 00:20:40,735
Speaker 1: year wasn't great.

444
00:20:40,776 --> 00:20:43,176
Speaker 2: Yeah, even this last game he threw multiple picks and

445
00:20:43,975 --> 00:20:47,256
Speaker 2: just has not get gotten into a rhythm. But when

446
00:20:47,256 --> 00:20:50,096
Speaker 2: you talk about has not gotten into a rhythm, I

447
00:20:50,096 --> 00:20:52,056
Speaker 2: mean you saw a little bit more from two against

448
00:20:52,096 --> 00:20:54,775
Speaker 2: the Bills, and that was a game that gave you

449
00:20:54,816 --> 00:20:56,936
Speaker 2: hope for this team because they went toe to toe

450
00:20:56,975 --> 00:21:00,896
Speaker 2: with them throughout most of the game. But Tua has

451
00:21:00,936 --> 00:21:03,495
Speaker 2: not been playing well up to that point, and so

452
00:21:04,336 --> 00:21:06,936
Speaker 2: he just hasn't looked like an himself. He's he's a

453
00:21:06,975 --> 00:21:09,815
Speaker 2: guy that you know, when he's playing at his best,

454
00:21:09,856 --> 00:21:11,735
Speaker 2: this team could beat anybody because of the weapons that

455
00:21:11,776 --> 00:21:14,816
Speaker 2: they have on the outside. So I get you're saying

456
00:21:14,856 --> 00:21:16,455
Speaker 2: the best quarterback of this group?

457
00:21:16,656 --> 00:21:19,255
Speaker 1: Yeah, of the bad six teams, which quarterback do you

458
00:21:19,256 --> 00:21:19,815
Speaker 1: want the most?

459
00:21:22,136 --> 00:21:23,376
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll go it to it with you.

460
00:21:23,856 --> 00:21:26,656
Speaker 1: That sounds it's a coin flip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

461
00:21:26,656 --> 00:21:27,255
Speaker 1: a coin flip.

462
00:21:27,376 --> 00:21:27,656
Speaker 2: All right.

463
00:21:27,696 --> 00:21:28,696
Speaker 1: What's your final topic?

464
00:21:29,256 --> 00:21:32,815
Speaker 2: Final topic? Let's see here. You know what, I'm going

465
00:21:32,896 --> 00:21:35,856
Speaker 2: to give some props to my boy Kevin O'Connell. Okay,

466
00:21:36,215 --> 00:21:39,296
Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is, you know, during

467
00:21:39,336 --> 00:21:43,495
Speaker 2: his tenure at the Minnesota Vikings, he's started seven different

468
00:21:43,536 --> 00:21:47,536
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and each one of those quarterbacks has has had

469
00:21:47,536 --> 00:21:51,735
Speaker 2: a win under their belt. So the fact that Carson

470
00:21:51,735 --> 00:21:53,856
Speaker 2: Wentz came in and they went out and dominated it

471
00:21:53,896 --> 00:21:58,096
Speaker 2: didn't surprise me because this guy knows how to coach

472
00:21:58,096 --> 00:22:00,376
Speaker 2: the quarterback position and put them into a position to

473
00:22:00,416 --> 00:22:03,295
Speaker 2: be successful regardless of their skill set. I mean, you

474
00:22:03,296 --> 00:22:07,656
Speaker 2: go back to twenty twenty three, three consecutive consecutive games,

475
00:22:07,656 --> 00:22:10,896
Speaker 2: he had three different starters at QB, which is pretty

476
00:22:11,016 --> 00:22:13,936
Speaker 2: rare and exceptional to think that no matter who he

477
00:22:14,016 --> 00:22:17,815
Speaker 2: has under center, he's gonna be able to try to

478
00:22:17,896 --> 00:22:19,416
Speaker 2: be able to put them in a position to where

479
00:22:19,455 --> 00:22:20,696
Speaker 2: their team can win a ball game.

480
00:22:21,215 --> 00:22:24,776
Speaker 1: See if I can name the seven cousins. Cousins, yes,

481
00:22:25,176 --> 00:22:28,176
Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs, Yes, Josh Dobbs. I got a great story

482
00:22:28,176 --> 00:22:39,336
Speaker 1: about that. Obviously Wentz, Obviously, JJ McCarthy, yep, Obviously, Sam Darnold.

483
00:22:39,376 --> 00:22:39,975
Speaker 2: That's five.

484
00:22:43,016 --> 00:22:44,696
Speaker 1: Who else Minnesota got?

485
00:22:44,856 --> 00:22:45,856
Speaker 2: Nick Mallins I.

486
00:22:45,816 --> 00:22:48,856
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have got named and Jaren Hall, Yeah, I got

487
00:22:48,856 --> 00:22:50,416
Speaker 1: five to seven. I feel like I saw a b

488
00:22:50,856 --> 00:22:52,416
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have got those two. I can't believe they

489
00:22:52,495 --> 00:22:53,015
Speaker 1: won games.

490
00:22:53,336 --> 00:22:56,056
Speaker 2: I know that's it's wild to think about, but it's

491
00:22:56,176 --> 00:22:58,616
Speaker 2: it also speaks volumes about the type of coach he is.

492
00:22:58,816 --> 00:23:01,816
Speaker 2: It's funny because when Kirk Cousins went down that year

493
00:23:01,856 --> 00:23:04,015
Speaker 2: with the achilles I think it was what mid season

494
00:23:04,096 --> 00:23:08,215
Speaker 2: or something like that. Kevin calls me and we're talking

495
00:23:08,256 --> 00:23:09,815
Speaker 2: for a bit. I'm like sorry because I texted him

496
00:23:09,816 --> 00:23:13,616
Speaker 2: I said sorry about Cousins going down. Man, I hope

497
00:23:13,656 --> 00:23:16,176
Speaker 2: you're doing well. And he calls me. He's like, hey, cass,

498
00:23:16,176 --> 00:23:18,576
Speaker 2: how's it going. We talked a little bit. I was like, man,

499
00:23:18,735 --> 00:23:20,495
Speaker 2: is he is? He gonna give me the nod, like

500
00:23:20,536 --> 00:23:24,255
Speaker 2: he's gonna bring me up like it. I was sitting

501
00:23:24,256 --> 00:23:26,496
Speaker 2: in a blind that entire morning because a fox had

502
00:23:26,656 --> 00:23:28,416
Speaker 2: taken out one of my chickens, and so I was

503
00:23:28,416 --> 00:23:30,295
Speaker 2: gonna get revenge on that bad boy. And then he

504
00:23:30,336 --> 00:23:32,616
Speaker 2: calls him in the blind and I was like, man,

505
00:23:33,016 --> 00:23:35,336
Speaker 2: maybe this is you know, maybe I'm gonna get get

506
00:23:35,616 --> 00:23:38,176
Speaker 2: get a call up again, you know. And the next thing,

507
00:23:38,176 --> 00:23:40,656
Speaker 2: you know, said, hey, you think Brady would be interested

508
00:23:40,656 --> 00:23:44,376
Speaker 2: in coming and coming up here? He's like you guys number.

509
00:23:44,376 --> 00:23:47,656
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I should have known. He's like

510
00:23:47,776 --> 00:23:50,136
Speaker 2: you guys number. I was like, I'll get it for you, dude.

511
00:23:50,176 --> 00:23:52,255
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's interested or he because he

512
00:23:52,376 --> 00:23:55,896
Speaker 2: was retired, but he was still five five six weeks

513
00:23:55,896 --> 00:23:58,136
Speaker 2: in the season. I was like, if anybody would probably

514
00:23:58,136 --> 00:24:00,136
Speaker 2: try to make a comeback, it would be Brady. So

515
00:24:00,176 --> 00:24:01,975
Speaker 2: they had talked and all that stuff, and he's like,

516
00:24:02,256 --> 00:24:04,176
Speaker 2: I'm just not interested. Man.

517
00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:05,975
Speaker 1: It almost could have been you could have been the

518
00:24:06,016 --> 00:24:06,456
Speaker 1: eighth quarter.

519
00:24:06,576 --> 00:24:07,815
Speaker 2: I mean that's what I was saying. I could have

520
00:24:07,816 --> 00:24:10,015
Speaker 2: been one of those seven. I feel like, just tell me.

521
00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:13,055
Speaker 1: Where to throw a coach final thing for me, And

522
00:24:13,136 --> 00:24:16,296
Speaker 1: mostly I'd like your perspective because and I go back

523
00:24:16,296 --> 00:24:18,256
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs, it's the second time we have seen

524
00:24:19,656 --> 00:24:24,776
Speaker 1: coach and player really scream at each other on the field, right, So.

525
00:24:24,856 --> 00:24:26,536
Speaker 2: Oh and Andy body checked him.

526
00:24:26,536 --> 00:24:30,136
Speaker 1: That was awesome Kesey and Andy Reid. Yeah, And I

527
00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:32,136
Speaker 1: think the first time during the Super Bowl, Andy Reid

528
00:24:32,176 --> 00:24:33,976
Speaker 1: was shocked that Kelsey hit him. I think he threw

529
00:24:34,016 --> 00:24:35,936
Speaker 1: the body at him. The second time, yeah, he knew

530
00:24:37,416 --> 00:24:40,656
Speaker 1: what's up. Who gets the liberty to scream at their

531
00:24:40,696 --> 00:24:45,096
Speaker 1: coach publicly and like right on the edge of the

532
00:24:45,136 --> 00:24:46,376
Speaker 1: sideline where everybody can see it.

533
00:24:47,176 --> 00:24:51,936
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's it's an interesting dynamic because obviously they've got

534
00:24:51,975 --> 00:24:54,775
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for each other. Kelsey's earned the

535
00:24:54,816 --> 00:24:58,455
Speaker 2: respect of that organization throughout the league for what he's accomplished.

536
00:24:58,495 --> 00:25:00,936
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's never a good look

537
00:25:00,975 --> 00:25:03,856
Speaker 2: when you're screaming at your head coach or getting into

538
00:25:03,856 --> 00:25:05,815
Speaker 2: this back and forth. And look, I've had plenty of

539
00:25:05,856 --> 00:25:08,575
Speaker 2: them myself throughout my tenure where you get in a

540
00:25:08,696 --> 00:25:12,376
Speaker 2: verbal altercation because it is a game of emotion, and

541
00:25:12,455 --> 00:25:16,176
Speaker 2: in the moment, it's not that you're necessarily thinking about

542
00:25:16,215 --> 00:25:18,576
Speaker 2: your response and you're like, I gotta calm down. It's

543
00:25:18,616 --> 00:25:21,416
Speaker 2: your reacting to what just took place on the field.

544
00:25:21,495 --> 00:25:23,816
Speaker 2: You might be pissed off, but you could tell Andy

545
00:25:23,896 --> 00:25:25,936
Speaker 2: was pissed off about something he did on the field

546
00:25:26,495 --> 00:25:29,296
Speaker 2: and how he ran route whatever it might be that

547
00:25:29,336 --> 00:25:33,056
Speaker 2: he knew that Travis could get done or do differently.

548
00:25:33,536 --> 00:25:36,576
Speaker 2: And then as Travis is coming off, he's probably frustrated,

549
00:25:37,016 --> 00:25:40,455
Speaker 2: but he did bump him, and then this verbal altercation

550
00:25:40,536 --> 00:25:44,216
Speaker 2: goes back and forth. It's it's never necessary, but sometimes

551
00:25:44,296 --> 00:25:48,016
Speaker 2: it happens, for sure, but it is something that you

552
00:25:48,215 --> 00:25:50,816
Speaker 2: know as a player and as a coach. In hindsight,

553
00:25:50,856 --> 00:25:53,855
Speaker 2: you look back and go, that looks bad. I think

554
00:25:54,096 --> 00:25:55,136
Speaker 2: the leader of your team.

555
00:25:55,056 --> 00:25:57,016
Speaker 1: Puts your helmet on before you scream at him. Yeah,

556
00:25:57,056 --> 00:25:59,255
Speaker 1: if you're a player, because that way, you don't really

557
00:25:59,296 --> 00:26:01,176
Speaker 1: know where it's aym. You don't see the mouth going,

558
00:26:01,215 --> 00:26:03,496
Speaker 1: you don't see the eyes going. Like I understand people

559
00:26:03,536 --> 00:26:06,176
Speaker 1: yell at each other a lot on the side, but

560
00:26:06,215 --> 00:26:09,015
Speaker 1: I would have the helmet on and that one was

561
00:26:09,256 --> 00:26:10,936
Speaker 1: very in front.

562
00:26:10,936 --> 00:26:14,016
Speaker 2: Right, And when you're a superstar, Look, there's probably those

563
00:26:14,096 --> 00:26:16,975
Speaker 2: type of examples that go on throughout the course of

564
00:26:16,975 --> 00:26:19,575
Speaker 2: the game. Maybe not to the extent of what that was,

565
00:26:19,616 --> 00:26:21,815
Speaker 2: but when you're the superstar and you're the head coach,

566
00:26:22,616 --> 00:26:24,055
Speaker 2: you know, the cameras are going to be on you

567
00:26:24,176 --> 00:26:27,535
Speaker 2: nonstop's Taylor Swifts, Spreak and Fionce and then it's going

568
00:26:27,576 --> 00:26:29,376
Speaker 2: to blow up and people are gonna make the most

569
00:26:29,376 --> 00:26:31,136
Speaker 2: of it, and of course Andy Reid is going to

570
00:26:31,176 --> 00:26:33,576
Speaker 2: protect his player. Travis is going to probably say the

571
00:26:33,616 --> 00:26:36,176
Speaker 2: same thing and let bygones be byegons the next day

572
00:26:36,215 --> 00:26:38,176
Speaker 2: and come in and you know, hug it out or

573
00:26:38,176 --> 00:26:42,495
Speaker 2: whatever it is, especially after win. But it's it's something

574
00:26:42,495 --> 00:26:45,656
Speaker 2: that probably will be addressed. My theory is they really

575
00:26:45,696 --> 00:26:48,455
Speaker 2: don't like each other. You don't think they like each other.

576
00:26:48,455 --> 00:26:54,336
Speaker 2: I think they play the role of oh superstar fun coach.

577
00:26:54,416 --> 00:26:55,736
Speaker 2: But I don't think they like each other. You don't

578
00:26:55,735 --> 00:26:59,136
Speaker 2: do that twice. Yeah, it has been very a very

579
00:26:59,215 --> 00:27:03,896
Speaker 2: visible circumstance in the last two years where like that's

580
00:27:03,936 --> 00:27:05,616
Speaker 2: more than just a heated argument.

581
00:27:05,656 --> 00:27:08,735
Speaker 1: The first time, I can understand, But there was so

582
00:27:08,896 --> 00:27:11,616
Speaker 1: much about that first time that you would think, as

583
00:27:11,616 --> 00:27:13,575
Speaker 1: it's about to happen the second time, you go, this

584
00:27:13,616 --> 00:27:17,096
Speaker 1: has already happened once. I'll need to air my grievance

585
00:27:17,176 --> 00:27:21,816
Speaker 1: in a different form, maybe even sixty eight seconds from now,

586
00:27:22,176 --> 00:27:23,496
Speaker 1: walking back a few layers.

587
00:27:24,776 --> 00:27:27,336
Speaker 2: I just don't think they like each other. I think

588
00:27:27,336 --> 00:27:30,136
Speaker 2: they do like each other. I mean, I'm just saying

589
00:27:30,336 --> 00:27:32,455
Speaker 2: I think that they like each other. I think they

590
00:27:32,455 --> 00:27:35,536
Speaker 2: are both ultra competitive. They want to do the right thing.

591
00:27:35,616 --> 00:27:38,176
Speaker 2: I mean, Travis Kelsey's getting a little bit older in

592
00:27:38,215 --> 00:27:40,735
Speaker 2: his career and he's one of those guys that has

593
00:27:40,776 --> 00:27:44,055
Speaker 2: always wanted the ball the man's the ball, and Andy

594
00:27:44,136 --> 00:27:45,936
Speaker 2: Reid at the same time as one of those guys

595
00:27:45,936 --> 00:27:50,336
Speaker 2: that sees it from a fifty thousands view of whatever

596
00:27:50,816 --> 00:27:53,215
Speaker 2: the term is that I'm trying to use there where

597
00:27:53,296 --> 00:27:54,975
Speaker 2: he said he's the big picture and if he's not

598
00:27:55,016 --> 00:27:57,376
Speaker 2: in the right position or he's done something that has

599
00:27:57,536 --> 00:27:59,856
Speaker 2: directly impacted the play, that could have been a conversion

600
00:27:59,936 --> 00:28:01,416
Speaker 2: or something like that. He's going to let you know

601
00:28:01,455 --> 00:28:03,696
Speaker 2: about it, because that's why he's a really good coach,

602
00:28:04,336 --> 00:28:06,775
Speaker 2: and the players in the field don't always understand that,

603
00:28:07,136 --> 00:28:09,456
Speaker 2: and especially a guy like Kelsey, who could be frustrated

604
00:28:09,455 --> 00:28:10,936
Speaker 2: for a number of different reasons he might not get

605
00:28:10,975 --> 00:28:12,976
Speaker 2: the ball. Who knows, And I'm not going to speculate

606
00:28:12,975 --> 00:28:14,896
Speaker 2: on what the argument was about. But on the other hand,

607
00:28:14,896 --> 00:28:16,815
Speaker 2: I do think that they have a great respect for

608
00:28:16,936 --> 00:28:19,336
Speaker 2: one another, and he's a leader on the team, and

609
00:28:19,336 --> 00:28:20,816
Speaker 2: so they've got to find a way to get along.

610
00:28:20,975 --> 00:28:23,936
Speaker 1: I'll speculate. Speculate any Raid didn't get an advanced copy

611
00:28:23,936 --> 00:28:24,615
Speaker 1: of Taylor that one.

612
00:28:26,256 --> 00:28:30,176
Speaker 2: She sent him one for free. So that's why he's delivered,

613
00:28:30,455 --> 00:28:30,775
Speaker 2: all right.

614
00:28:30,776 --> 00:28:32,735
Speaker 1: Sean Merriman coming up, we will talk to the great

615
00:28:32,735 --> 00:28:50,856
Speaker 1: San Diego Charger Sean Merraman. Next, we're about to go

616
00:28:50,856 --> 00:28:52,616
Speaker 1: over and talk with Sean Merriman. Did you ever play

617
00:28:52,616 --> 00:28:53,096
Speaker 1: against Sean?

618
00:28:53,496 --> 00:28:55,296
Speaker 2: Played against him a bunch. When I first came in

619
00:28:55,296 --> 00:28:57,575
Speaker 2: the league was two thousand and five. We were both

620
00:28:57,616 --> 00:29:00,496
Speaker 2: drafted in that same draft class and we played San Diego.

621
00:29:01,456 --> 00:29:03,976
Speaker 2: My first year in the league, we got absolutely boat raced.

622
00:29:04,136 --> 00:29:07,136
Speaker 2: Now I can tell you that I remember Sean when

623
00:29:07,136 --> 00:29:09,616
Speaker 2: we played him, because we got beat that first year.

624
00:29:09,656 --> 00:29:13,256
Speaker 2: It was like forty one to seventeen. I was a

625
00:29:13,296 --> 00:29:15,896
Speaker 2: third string quarterback, so yeah, I kind of know stuff,

626
00:29:15,896 --> 00:29:17,856
Speaker 2: but it was pretty early in the season. I didn't

627
00:29:17,856 --> 00:29:21,256
Speaker 2: really know the personnel probably as well. And they're taking

628
00:29:21,296 --> 00:29:22,896
Speaker 2: Tom out of the game and we're getting the ball

629
00:29:22,936 --> 00:29:24,976
Speaker 2: back late two minutes. I'm guessing they're gonna put Doug

630
00:29:24,976 --> 00:29:26,936
Speaker 2: Flutie in, who was the backup quarterback at the time,

631
00:29:27,616 --> 00:29:30,696
Speaker 2: And Belichick looks over and goes, Castle, get your helmet.

632
00:29:30,696 --> 00:29:32,176
Speaker 2: You're going in running two minutes, And I was like,

633
00:29:32,296 --> 00:29:34,736
Speaker 2: what's third string? He just skipped the third string. He

634
00:29:34,776 --> 00:29:37,176
Speaker 2: skipped over Flutie and threw me in the game. So

635
00:29:37,216 --> 00:29:39,656
Speaker 2: I go out my adrenalines, going throw a few checkdowns,

636
00:29:39,656 --> 00:29:43,376
Speaker 2: but there's an out route deeper in the deeper down

637
00:29:43,456 --> 00:29:45,576
Speaker 2: the field, so I step up to throw it. Arm

638
00:29:45,616 --> 00:29:48,376
Speaker 2: gets hit, ball flutters up, Drayton Florence picks it off,

639
00:29:48,576 --> 00:29:50,656
Speaker 2: Laurel's it back, they take it in for a touchdown.

640
00:29:50,696 --> 00:29:53,616
Speaker 2: That was literally my first game six in the NFL.

641
00:29:53,696 --> 00:29:56,136
Speaker 2: Perf pick six. I was like, Rady, I was just

642
00:29:56,176 --> 00:29:57,696
Speaker 2: trying to make you feel better because I know you

643
00:29:57,696 --> 00:29:58,856
Speaker 2: threw one in that game too.

644
00:29:59,576 --> 00:30:01,416
Speaker 1: You go through a pick six your first game.

645
00:30:01,296 --> 00:30:02,856
Speaker 2: First game, it was great. You know, you got to

646
00:30:02,896 --> 00:30:04,816
Speaker 2: deal with little adversity. I had a great a lot.

647
00:30:04,936 --> 00:30:08,216
Speaker 2: I know, I know, especially as a seventh round draft pick,

648
00:30:08,256 --> 00:30:10,536
Speaker 2: and you're going, oh god, the first time in the game,

649
00:30:10,576 --> 00:30:12,776
Speaker 2: and that happens. But I think it helped the fact

650
00:30:12,816 --> 00:30:14,456
Speaker 2: that my arm got hit. I didn't just throw it

651
00:30:14,456 --> 00:30:17,136
Speaker 2: directly to them. But we had some great battles against

652
00:30:17,176 --> 00:30:20,696
Speaker 2: their teams, especially two thousand and six was the year

653
00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:23,896
Speaker 2: that they were fourteen and two, had an incredible team,

654
00:30:23,896 --> 00:30:28,536
Speaker 2: and we went down there and honestly it was a battle.

655
00:30:28,576 --> 00:30:31,056
Speaker 2: But Brady throws a pick late in the third, they

656
00:30:31,096 --> 00:30:34,896
Speaker 2: intercept it in their own territory. Troy Brown comes from behind,

657
00:30:34,936 --> 00:30:37,856
Speaker 2: strips the ball out. We regained the possession. Like it

658
00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:40,376
Speaker 2: was a huge play in the game. Later on that game,

659
00:30:40,576 --> 00:30:44,176
Speaker 2: we're tied twenty one twenty one, we're backed up fourth

660
00:30:44,296 --> 00:30:47,176
Speaker 2: in about one yard. We tried a QB sneak. We

661
00:30:47,216 --> 00:30:50,016
Speaker 2: get stuffed, but I think it was Schottenheimer ran over

662
00:30:50,096 --> 00:30:52,896
Speaker 2: and called time out right before we snapped the ball

663
00:30:52,936 --> 00:30:54,776
Speaker 2: on the QB sneak. If he would have just let

664
00:30:54,776 --> 00:30:58,256
Speaker 2: the play roll, they get the ball back. So instead

665
00:30:58,296 --> 00:31:01,016
Speaker 2: we changed the change the play. Brady drops back hits

666
00:31:01,016 --> 00:31:03,776
Speaker 2: for Shay Codwell down the sideline on a one on

667
00:31:03,776 --> 00:31:06,056
Speaker 2: one opportunity to set up the game winning field goal.

668
00:31:06,096 --> 00:31:08,335
Speaker 2: We upset them and that, like I said, they had

669
00:31:08,336 --> 00:31:11,136
Speaker 2: an incredible team. I don't know what we were that year.

670
00:31:11,176 --> 00:31:13,376
Speaker 2: We had a good team, but they were the favorite

671
00:31:13,376 --> 00:31:17,096
Speaker 2: to win it. Following year AFC Championship, we play them

672
00:31:17,136 --> 00:31:19,816
Speaker 2: again in the AFC Championship. Philip Rivers got a torn

673
00:31:19,856 --> 00:31:22,536
Speaker 2: ACL but it was a hell of a game in

674
00:31:22,656 --> 00:31:23,416
Speaker 2: really cold weather.

675
00:31:23,496 --> 00:31:24,256
Speaker 1: We played on it.

676
00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:27,296
Speaker 2: He played with a torn ACL. The guy, I give

677
00:31:27,376 --> 00:31:30,176
Speaker 2: him nothing but credit. You know of some people said

678
00:31:30,256 --> 00:31:33,496
Speaker 2: this at Philip Rivers is one of the toughest sons

679
00:31:33,496 --> 00:31:36,096
Speaker 2: of guns I've ever been around. Sons of guns I've

680
00:31:36,096 --> 00:31:38,656
Speaker 2: ever been around, but I mean some really good battles

681
00:31:38,656 --> 00:31:42,376
Speaker 2: throughout the years. And he was a heck of a player.

682
00:31:42,456 --> 00:31:44,296
Speaker 2: And he's one of those guys that you'd always refer

683
00:31:44,376 --> 00:31:46,576
Speaker 2: to as a game wrecker when we would go in

684
00:31:47,016 --> 00:31:49,616
Speaker 2: review the film, see who their guys are who we

685
00:31:49,616 --> 00:31:52,056
Speaker 2: got to pay attention to. He was one of those

686
00:31:52,096 --> 00:31:54,336
Speaker 2: guys we'd want to give presents to the tackle. We

687
00:31:54,416 --> 00:31:55,696
Speaker 2: want to chip them, we want to hit them with

688
00:31:55,696 --> 00:31:57,616
Speaker 2: two people because if not, he'll wreck your game.

689
00:31:58,536 --> 00:32:01,816
Speaker 1: Three times NFL All Pro, the twelfth pick overall by

690
00:32:01,816 --> 00:32:04,536
Speaker 1: the Chargers. In five, he won the AP Defensive Rookie

691
00:32:04,536 --> 00:32:06,896
Speaker 1: of the Year and O five with two sacks, forty

692
00:32:06,936 --> 00:32:09,056
Speaker 1: five and a half career sacks, three time Pro bowler.

693
00:32:09,296 --> 00:32:12,296
Speaker 1: His nickname is lights Out. He averaged thirteen sacks per

694
00:32:12,376 --> 00:32:15,296
Speaker 1: year's first three years. It's pretty that's crazy. Pretty good

695
00:32:15,336 --> 00:32:16,376
Speaker 1: pace right there.

696
00:32:16,336 --> 00:32:17,136
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

697
00:32:17,176 --> 00:32:20,616
Speaker 1: And he's the founder of an MMA league called Lights

698
00:32:20,616 --> 00:32:23,575
Speaker 1: Out Extreme Fighting and it's all fighting. If you go

699
00:32:23,616 --> 00:32:25,696
Speaker 1: to a socials now, it's all fighting. And I tell

700
00:32:25,696 --> 00:32:29,376
Speaker 1: you I wouldn't want to fight him. He still looks like, no, no,

701
00:32:29,456 --> 00:32:31,896
Speaker 1: absolutely not. He's a monster right now. Yeah, he's a

702
00:32:31,896 --> 00:32:35,416
Speaker 1: monster right now here he is the great Sean Merriman.

703
00:32:37,816 --> 00:32:39,176
Speaker 2: On now with Sean Merriman.

704
00:32:39,256 --> 00:32:42,416
Speaker 1: Sean appreciate the time, man, you got it, man, thanks

705
00:32:42,456 --> 00:32:45,456
Speaker 1: having me. Hey, so let's go to this what's your Instagram?

706
00:32:45,856 --> 00:32:49,296
Speaker 1: It's fighting like that's your life now huh.

707
00:32:48,576 --> 00:32:50,656
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean it's it's it's been that for

708
00:32:50,696 --> 00:32:51,096
Speaker 4: a while.

709
00:32:51,256 --> 00:32:54,856
Speaker 3: It's just there's just more things now because you know,

710
00:32:54,936 --> 00:32:58,816
Speaker 3: distribution and technology, so we've kind of expanded a lot

711
00:32:58,856 --> 00:33:01,256
Speaker 3: and things are Yeah, things are growing pretty fast.

712
00:33:01,296 --> 00:33:03,656
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sean, did you ever actually get in the ring

713
00:33:03,736 --> 00:33:07,336
Speaker 2: and fight professionally yourself? No?

714
00:33:07,536 --> 00:33:10,056
Speaker 3: But I still spar. I mean I still, you know,

715
00:33:10,136 --> 00:33:11,936
Speaker 3: a couple of days a week, I'm at an extreme coutur.

716
00:33:12,016 --> 00:33:13,736
Speaker 3: I'm down to the Long Beach of body Shop with

717
00:33:13,896 --> 00:33:17,136
Speaker 3: Black House and Verdondo, so you know, and when I

718
00:33:17,176 --> 00:33:18,936
Speaker 3: travel around, man, I know a lot of the gyms

719
00:33:18,936 --> 00:33:21,096
Speaker 3: in the country, and so I'll get in there with

720
00:33:21,096 --> 00:33:24,336
Speaker 3: pro fighters all the time and still spar and stay

721
00:33:24,376 --> 00:33:24,736
Speaker 3: in shape.

722
00:33:24,776 --> 00:33:24,936
Speaker 2: Man.

723
00:33:24,936 --> 00:33:27,696
Speaker 4: But it's something that you do it or you don't

724
00:33:27,696 --> 00:33:28,176
Speaker 4: do it right.

725
00:33:28,256 --> 00:33:31,256
Speaker 3: Like you can play basketball, you can play football, but

726
00:33:31,416 --> 00:33:32,096
Speaker 3: you can't play fight.

727
00:33:32,376 --> 00:33:34,256
Speaker 4: So I'll get in there and I'll do my thing

728
00:33:34,496 --> 00:33:35,136
Speaker 4: because I can.

729
00:33:35,816 --> 00:33:37,696
Speaker 3: But did I back off because some of those guys

730
00:33:37,776 --> 00:33:39,056
Speaker 3: just absolutely insane?

731
00:33:39,376 --> 00:33:42,616
Speaker 1: Did you train while playing at all? Fighting?

732
00:33:43,256 --> 00:33:44,056
Speaker 4: I did? I did.

733
00:33:44,136 --> 00:33:46,376
Speaker 3: In fact, matter of fact, of the mid two thousands,

734
00:33:46,376 --> 00:33:50,336
Speaker 3: I started training with Randy Gutour. He was Jay Glazer

735
00:33:50,376 --> 00:33:53,696
Speaker 3: and Fox Sports introduced me to Randy Gutur So I

736
00:33:53,776 --> 00:33:56,776
Speaker 3: just started doing a lot of like hand combat drills

737
00:33:56,776 --> 00:33:59,656
Speaker 3: and movements and pumbling with Randy back in the mid

738
00:33:59,736 --> 00:34:02,056
Speaker 3: two thousands. And you know, every off season I would

739
00:34:02,056 --> 00:34:04,696
Speaker 3: start training with more and more guys, Chuck Ladelle, Tudo Ortiz,

740
00:34:05,576 --> 00:34:07,736
Speaker 3: this one Tyron Woodley affso was just coming on in

741
00:34:07,816 --> 00:34:10,736
Speaker 3: mid two thousand, I was training with him. Uh and so, yeah,

742
00:34:10,736 --> 00:34:12,176
Speaker 3: I was like one of the first, one of the

743
00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:15,336
Speaker 3: first NFL guys that really took that up and took

744
00:34:15,336 --> 00:34:15,816
Speaker 3: it serious.

745
00:34:16,376 --> 00:34:18,896
Speaker 2: Do you think that that type of training translated to

746
00:34:18,936 --> 00:34:21,176
Speaker 2: the field with all the different field with the hand

747
00:34:21,256 --> 00:34:23,176
Speaker 2: fighting and everything else that goes on in the trenches.

748
00:34:23,336 --> 00:34:24,416
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a game change.

749
00:34:24,576 --> 00:34:27,656
Speaker 3: So when I talked to a lot of players now,

750
00:34:27,856 --> 00:34:29,936
Speaker 3: you know, I tell them to pick up some form

751
00:34:29,976 --> 00:34:33,016
Speaker 3: of combat sport where it's box and mui tai. You know,

752
00:34:33,096 --> 00:34:36,736
Speaker 3: jiu jitsu is also great, but just something man, because

753
00:34:36,776 --> 00:34:40,696
Speaker 3: it's something about that sport that translates right on the

754
00:34:40,696 --> 00:34:43,416
Speaker 3: field directly, either use your hands as outside linebacker or

755
00:34:43,456 --> 00:34:46,136
Speaker 3: pass rusher, getting off the line of scrimmage as a

756
00:34:46,136 --> 00:34:49,456
Speaker 3: wide receiver. And let me tell you, you talk about additioning,

757
00:34:49,536 --> 00:34:51,256
Speaker 3: you can forget about it when you're tired as hell

758
00:34:51,336 --> 00:34:52,896
Speaker 3: and one of those one of those wrestlers are on

759
00:34:52,936 --> 00:34:54,456
Speaker 3: top of you and you're looking up at this at

760
00:34:54,496 --> 00:34:56,576
Speaker 3: this clock and see how much time you got before

761
00:34:56,616 --> 00:34:57,056
Speaker 3: you die.

762
00:34:57,536 --> 00:34:59,696
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's one of those feelings.

763
00:34:59,696 --> 00:34:59,856
Speaker 2: Man.

764
00:34:59,896 --> 00:35:03,496
Speaker 3: So I came I came back, just just a different player,

765
00:35:03,576 --> 00:35:06,056
Speaker 3: you know, much more leaner. I was around in the

766
00:35:06,056 --> 00:35:09,136
Speaker 3: fourth corners. I didn't get tired, very very active and

767
00:35:09,576 --> 00:35:12,576
Speaker 3: with my hands. I mean it just it. My game

768
00:35:12,656 --> 00:35:13,496
Speaker 3: completely changed.

769
00:35:13,936 --> 00:35:14,136
Speaker 2: Yeah.

770
00:35:14,176 --> 00:35:16,256
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask if there was a definitive time

771
00:35:16,816 --> 00:35:21,016
Speaker 1: where your game did modify itself because of what you

772
00:35:21,056 --> 00:35:24,176
Speaker 1: were doing specifically while training, fighting and.

773
00:35:24,776 --> 00:35:28,816
Speaker 3: Six so tamp the truth. My first year in the NFL,

774
00:35:29,056 --> 00:35:32,416
Speaker 3: I sucked at using my hands. I just I got

775
00:35:32,896 --> 00:35:35,656
Speaker 3: I was just big and strong and fast, explosive out

776
00:35:35,696 --> 00:35:37,176
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmen, so I could run around you

777
00:35:37,296 --> 00:35:37,856
Speaker 3: or run through you.

778
00:35:38,336 --> 00:35:39,896
Speaker 4: That was it. You know, I was going to get

779
00:35:39,936 --> 00:35:42,536
Speaker 4: you the ball. But that second year I came out. Man,

780
00:35:42,536 --> 00:35:43,896
Speaker 4: it's just my hand placement.

781
00:35:44,856 --> 00:35:46,856
Speaker 3: I was able to use my leverage against those three

782
00:35:46,896 --> 00:35:50,456
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty plus offensive linemen, being able to open

783
00:35:50,456 --> 00:35:51,536
Speaker 3: my hips up because a lot.

784
00:35:51,456 --> 00:35:52,616
Speaker 4: Of the training that we did.

785
00:35:53,536 --> 00:35:56,056
Speaker 3: When you're going for takedowns and stuff, it just unlocks

786
00:35:56,096 --> 00:36:00,256
Speaker 3: your hips and being able to explosion hips up to

787
00:36:00,336 --> 00:36:02,536
Speaker 3: get guys off of you. It was so many things

788
00:36:02,536 --> 00:36:05,616
Speaker 3: that just rolled right into football. And if you check

789
00:36:05,616 --> 00:36:07,216
Speaker 3: it out now, you see a lot of these guys

790
00:36:07,216 --> 00:36:11,216
Speaker 3: on the all season boxing you know, Michael Parsons, Aaron

791
00:36:11,296 --> 00:36:13,576
Speaker 3: Donald was another one who that did a lot of

792
00:36:13,616 --> 00:36:17,536
Speaker 3: hand combat drails and MMA stuff. So it got pretty

793
00:36:17,576 --> 00:36:21,936
Speaker 3: popular after I started doing it. But it's just it's

794
00:36:22,056 --> 00:36:24,416
Speaker 3: literally a game changer for football players.

795
00:36:24,536 --> 00:36:26,736
Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to the start of your career. Obviously,

796
00:36:26,736 --> 00:36:29,016
Speaker 2: you grew up in Maryland, went to Maryland, first round

797
00:36:29,056 --> 00:36:30,976
Speaker 2: draft picks for San Diego. You come in and you're

798
00:36:31,016 --> 00:36:32,576
Speaker 2: the rookie of the year your first year, you light

799
00:36:32,656 --> 00:36:35,616
Speaker 2: the league on fire and you become a name immediately.

800
00:36:35,696 --> 00:36:38,816
Speaker 2: Were you ready for that type of success and did

801
00:36:38,856 --> 00:36:42,976
Speaker 2: you expect that type of success that early? Yeah?

802
00:36:43,056 --> 00:36:47,656
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a way, I think that the probably the

803
00:36:47,736 --> 00:36:51,376
Speaker 3: hardest part for me early on. I was twenty years

804
00:36:51,416 --> 00:36:53,536
Speaker 3: old when I got drafted initially, so at the time,

805
00:36:53,536 --> 00:36:55,576
Speaker 3: I believe I was the youngest draft in the NFL

806
00:36:55,616 --> 00:36:56,296
Speaker 3: player ever.

807
00:36:57,856 --> 00:37:00,736
Speaker 4: And you know, I was a twelve pick overall.

808
00:37:00,816 --> 00:37:04,656
Speaker 3: You know, so you when you leave college, you go

809
00:37:04,776 --> 00:37:06,976
Speaker 3: you don't really have a break right, like you have

810
00:37:07,336 --> 00:37:10,656
Speaker 3: like your right to working out your rights to the combine,

811
00:37:10,696 --> 00:37:12,176
Speaker 3: and before you know it, you're in Ota.

812
00:37:12,376 --> 00:37:13,736
Speaker 4: Before you know, you're in training camp.

813
00:37:13,776 --> 00:37:16,216
Speaker 3: So you really don't even get a chance to kind

814
00:37:16,256 --> 00:37:18,376
Speaker 3: of look back and say, man, I'm in the NFL now.

815
00:37:18,456 --> 00:37:20,816
Speaker 4: It's like it's right a rolling process.

816
00:37:21,296 --> 00:37:24,376
Speaker 3: It wasn't until after my first year when I was

817
00:37:24,416 --> 00:37:26,536
Speaker 3: All Pro, when I was Pro Bowl, when I was

818
00:37:26,696 --> 00:37:28,896
Speaker 3: Defensive Rookie of the Year, I got a.

819
00:37:28,936 --> 00:37:30,136
Speaker 4: Chance to kind of relax.

820
00:37:30,216 --> 00:37:31,776
Speaker 3: I went home and I was going to, you know,

821
00:37:31,896 --> 00:37:34,736
Speaker 3: travel the country a little bit, and like everybody was

822
00:37:34,816 --> 00:37:37,696
Speaker 3: doing this day in lights out dance. You know, I'll

823
00:37:37,696 --> 00:37:39,336
Speaker 3: go down to Miami. I'm in New York and I'm

824
00:37:39,376 --> 00:37:41,376
Speaker 3: looking across the street and people doing lights out dance.

825
00:37:41,456 --> 00:37:45,096
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, things are different now. So it really

826
00:37:45,136 --> 00:37:49,176
Speaker 3: really didn't hit me until after my first year that

827
00:37:49,576 --> 00:37:51,136
Speaker 3: things were definitely different.

828
00:37:51,456 --> 00:37:53,696
Speaker 1: Did you feel like the combine the Chargers would take

829
00:37:53,736 --> 00:37:55,856
Speaker 1: you or did you do a specific team workout with them.

830
00:37:55,896 --> 00:37:57,776
Speaker 1: Were you surprised when the Chargers drafted.

831
00:37:57,496 --> 00:37:58,696
Speaker 4: You no, No.

832
00:37:58,976 --> 00:38:02,176
Speaker 3: In fact, I thought that I would go anywhere from

833
00:38:02,216 --> 00:38:04,776
Speaker 3: the third pick to the twelve pick. I thought I

834
00:38:04,816 --> 00:38:07,256
Speaker 3: was in the at three to Cleveland. Then you had

835
00:38:07,256 --> 00:38:09,856
Speaker 3: the then Redskins now Commanders, right, I think they were

836
00:38:09,896 --> 00:38:12,936
Speaker 3: sitting at nine. Well, I took the visit to see them.

837
00:38:13,376 --> 00:38:15,176
Speaker 3: It was a lion's who. I wanted to go see

838
00:38:15,176 --> 00:38:17,216
Speaker 3: Steve Merriy you to the tenth pig. I wanted to

839
00:38:17,256 --> 00:38:20,576
Speaker 3: go see Dallas Cowboys with they had eleventh pick and

840
00:38:20,616 --> 00:38:23,096
Speaker 3: then charged at twelve. So I knew if it was

841
00:38:23,136 --> 00:38:25,456
Speaker 3: gonna be three, it was gonna be somewhere between nine

842
00:38:25,456 --> 00:38:28,016
Speaker 3: and twelve. I know it was gonna be somewhere there.

843
00:38:29,656 --> 00:38:32,456
Speaker 3: And I thought I thought I was going to Dallas

844
00:38:32,496 --> 00:38:36,416
Speaker 3: because I met with Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells and

845
00:38:36,976 --> 00:38:39,736
Speaker 3: they brought me up into the office and so mind you,

846
00:38:39,816 --> 00:38:41,936
Speaker 3: I just turned you know, I'm still twenty at this

847
00:38:41,976 --> 00:38:46,056
Speaker 3: time on the visits, and the Dallas Cowboys brought everybody

848
00:38:46,096 --> 00:38:47,896
Speaker 3: out there who they thought was going to be a

849
00:38:47,976 --> 00:38:50,456
Speaker 3: first round guy, who were they were going to drive potentially,

850
00:38:51,016 --> 00:38:54,896
Speaker 3: and they sent somebody down to grab me. The first thing,

851
00:38:54,976 --> 00:38:56,696
Speaker 3: I started thinking, like, okay, what did I do with

852
00:38:57,016 --> 00:38:59,616
Speaker 3: you know, twenty years old, you started feeling like you

853
00:38:59,656 --> 00:39:02,256
Speaker 3: did something wrong, right, So they brought me up into

854
00:39:02,256 --> 00:39:05,656
Speaker 3: the office and I'm sitting across from Bill parsons elf,

855
00:39:05,656 --> 00:39:07,616
Speaker 3: Big Tony, he's right across from me. And then I

856
00:39:07,616 --> 00:39:10,176
Speaker 3: got Jerry Jones is sitting on the left at a little

857
00:39:10,456 --> 00:39:13,656
Speaker 3: at a desk right there was a little higher I'm

858
00:39:14,256 --> 00:39:17,816
Speaker 3: twenty year old, kids, So who's not gonna be intimidated

859
00:39:17,816 --> 00:39:22,416
Speaker 3: by some of the biggest presents, you know, in all

860
00:39:22,416 --> 00:39:24,856
Speaker 3: of football. I mean, you got two of the biggest

861
00:39:24,856 --> 00:39:27,496
Speaker 3: personalities in all of football sitting across from you in

862
00:39:27,496 --> 00:39:29,936
Speaker 3: this little, tiny office. And I could just fill at

863
00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:34,696
Speaker 3: the office, just getting smaller and smaller. And Bill Parcells like, look,

864
00:39:34,896 --> 00:39:37,616
Speaker 3: we don't believe you're going to be there at that

865
00:39:37,656 --> 00:39:40,376
Speaker 3: eleven pick, but if you are, we're gonna draft you

866
00:39:40,416 --> 00:39:42,536
Speaker 3: as soon as you get here. We're gonna work the

867
00:39:42,576 --> 00:39:45,096
Speaker 3: hell out of you. Now in that little spit in

868
00:39:45,096 --> 00:39:46,936
Speaker 3: the back of the throat just dropped a little bit

869
00:39:46,976 --> 00:39:50,856
Speaker 3: and I said, you know, but yeah, that was it.

870
00:39:51,016 --> 00:39:52,936
Speaker 3: And in the charges A. J. Smith told me the

871
00:39:52,936 --> 00:39:54,736
Speaker 3: same thing. We don't think you're gonna be here at twelve,

872
00:39:54,976 --> 00:39:56,976
Speaker 3: but if you are, we're drafting you. So I had

873
00:39:56,976 --> 00:39:59,616
Speaker 3: a really really good inkling that I was gonna get

874
00:39:59,656 --> 00:40:03,136
Speaker 3: drafted somewhere between ninth and twelfth pick when.

875
00:40:03,016 --> 00:40:05,056
Speaker 2: You came into the league. Obviously two thousand and five,

876
00:40:05,056 --> 00:40:07,336
Speaker 2: you guys for ninety seven, But I remember those teams.

877
00:40:07,376 --> 00:40:09,576
Speaker 2: You guys were some dogs out there in that two

878
00:40:09,616 --> 00:40:13,256
Speaker 2: thousand and six year. You guys go fourteen to your defense.

879
00:40:13,336 --> 00:40:16,736
Speaker 2: You've got Sean Phillips, You've got Jamal Williams. You guys

880
00:40:16,736 --> 00:40:19,136
Speaker 2: had a front that could get after people. But talk

881
00:40:19,176 --> 00:40:22,696
Speaker 2: about that season in particular, because you guys dominated throughout

882
00:40:22,696 --> 00:40:25,536
Speaker 2: the season and we actually played you in that playoff game.

883
00:40:25,576 --> 00:40:28,056
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I didn't play. You know, Tom threw that

884
00:40:28,096 --> 00:40:30,176
Speaker 2: ball down the field. You guys had the interception. But

885
00:40:30,336 --> 00:40:33,856
Speaker 2: talk about that season in general and just maybe looking

886
00:40:33,896 --> 00:40:36,096
Speaker 2: back and going, man, this team was set up for

887
00:40:36,136 --> 00:40:36,776
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl.

888
00:40:37,536 --> 00:40:40,016
Speaker 3: I you know, so I said this, and I know

889
00:40:40,096 --> 00:40:42,016
Speaker 3: it's going to get some clips and all that and

890
00:40:43,256 --> 00:40:45,656
Speaker 3: THEA when you talk about championships, the Patriots will always

891
00:40:45,656 --> 00:40:47,376
Speaker 3: be the best team in a decade. I don't think

892
00:40:47,416 --> 00:40:50,856
Speaker 3: anybody can even deny that. And you know, the Colts

893
00:40:50,896 --> 00:40:53,376
Speaker 3: were really good around that time too. That in that decade.

894
00:40:53,416 --> 00:40:56,816
Speaker 3: When we talk about talent and how much we were stacked,

895
00:40:59,736 --> 00:41:01,416
Speaker 3: you really can't really put it into words.

896
00:41:01,416 --> 00:41:01,536
Speaker 1: Man.

897
00:41:01,576 --> 00:41:04,576
Speaker 3: We had so many people, so many dogs, I mean

898
00:41:05,376 --> 00:41:07,856
Speaker 3: linebacker did And you said to it. The names that

899
00:41:07,856 --> 00:41:09,776
Speaker 3: people don't talk about a lot. You said, Sean Phillips

900
00:41:09,896 --> 00:41:12,936
Speaker 3: and Jamal Williams. I mean they don't get mentioned enough

901
00:41:13,056 --> 00:41:16,056
Speaker 3: with the Chargers' history. You mean Sean Phillips is one

902
00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:17,896
Speaker 3: of the most consistent guys out there if he played,

903
00:41:17,936 --> 00:41:21,256
Speaker 3: you know, very consistent. And Jamal Williams because he played

904
00:41:21,696 --> 00:41:25,336
Speaker 3: that dirty three technique no you know, nose tackle situation

905
00:41:25,736 --> 00:41:28,296
Speaker 3: and in three four it gets no seane. But make

906
00:41:28,376 --> 00:41:30,776
Speaker 3: guys like myself look pretty out there all day because

907
00:41:30,776 --> 00:41:32,056
Speaker 3: I can go out there and do one on ones

908
00:41:32,696 --> 00:41:34,856
Speaker 3: and they can't step up in the parking to deliver

909
00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:37,416
Speaker 3: a ball down the field because he got so much pressure,

910
00:41:37,776 --> 00:41:41,296
Speaker 3: you know, inside, and so you know, he didn't get

911
00:41:41,336 --> 00:41:42,096
Speaker 3: talked about enough.

912
00:41:42,096 --> 00:41:42,256
Speaker 2: Man.

913
00:41:42,296 --> 00:41:43,855
Speaker 3: But you can go, you can go on that team

914
00:41:43,896 --> 00:41:46,496
Speaker 3: and just just look everywhere. We were just so loaded.

915
00:41:48,376 --> 00:41:51,496
Speaker 3: You know that we should have won one, right, I

916
00:41:51,536 --> 00:41:53,816
Speaker 3: would say between that two thousand and six and two

917
00:41:53,896 --> 00:41:56,336
Speaker 3: thousand and nine twenty ten, we should have got at

918
00:41:56,416 --> 00:42:00,536
Speaker 3: least one. But again, you know when you're going through

919
00:42:00,656 --> 00:42:03,976
Speaker 3: the Patriots and you and so I gotta rob you. You

920
00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:06,016
Speaker 3: don't just go through the Patriots. You go through Ben

921
00:42:06,096 --> 00:42:09,136
Speaker 3: Roethlisberger first, then you go through Peyton Fanning and then

922
00:42:09,176 --> 00:42:12,176
Speaker 3: you see the final boss and Tom Brady. It's like, well,

923
00:42:12,216 --> 00:42:13,816
Speaker 3: so when I'm out people asking hey, why don't you

924
00:42:13,856 --> 00:42:15,816
Speaker 3: have a ring, Well, let me tell you. Let me

925
00:42:15,856 --> 00:42:17,696
Speaker 3: tell you what I'm ringing, because that was a that

926
00:42:17,776 --> 00:42:20,336
Speaker 3: was a path in those you know, those four or

927
00:42:20,416 --> 00:42:21,336
Speaker 3: five years, and that's.

928
00:42:21,176 --> 00:42:22,016
Speaker 4: Span to get there.

929
00:42:22,856 --> 00:42:26,936
Speaker 1: A guy like Ben and a guy like Tom played

930
00:42:26,936 --> 00:42:29,815
Speaker 1: in the pocket completely different. But the guy like Ben

931
00:42:30,416 --> 00:42:33,216
Speaker 1: almost impossible to take him down. I mean, did you

932
00:42:33,336 --> 00:42:36,296
Speaker 1: change your game week to week, especially when you got

933
00:42:36,336 --> 00:42:39,176
Speaker 1: near the quarterback depending on what type of pocket presence

934
00:42:39,216 --> 00:42:41,456
Speaker 1: they had.

935
00:42:40,776 --> 00:42:45,496
Speaker 3: Because you you had to really watch watch your rush lanes.

936
00:42:46,176 --> 00:42:47,936
Speaker 3: And you know, some of those guys back then, I

937
00:42:47,976 --> 00:42:49,936
Speaker 3: used to call him the Statue of Liberty. I love

938
00:42:49,976 --> 00:42:52,616
Speaker 3: the Statue of Liberty. Back there, the ones just standing

939
00:42:52,656 --> 00:42:54,696
Speaker 3: there pat the ball and you know, it might step

940
00:42:54,776 --> 00:42:56,696
Speaker 3: up a step or two, and they might step back,

941
00:42:57,016 --> 00:42:59,336
Speaker 3: might step lateral, but they not going anywhere, right.

942
00:42:59,336 --> 00:43:00,216
Speaker 4: That's the ones I love.

943
00:43:00,816 --> 00:43:02,815
Speaker 3: Uh, But then you got somebody like Ben who didn't

944
00:43:02,816 --> 00:43:05,776
Speaker 3: get enough credit for just being really really good leaving

945
00:43:05,816 --> 00:43:09,216
Speaker 3: the pocket and like you said, really hard to tackle,

946
00:43:09,256 --> 00:43:11,136
Speaker 3: and he was so big. I mean they had him

947
00:43:11,176 --> 00:43:13,936
Speaker 3: at two sixty two sixty five. I said, I've been

948
00:43:13,976 --> 00:43:15,896
Speaker 3: with two seventy two eighty. I don't care what anybody

949
00:43:15,936 --> 00:43:17,736
Speaker 3: said he was. He was up there close to the

950
00:43:17,776 --> 00:43:20,256
Speaker 3: two eighty and anything else. And you know, I remember

951
00:43:20,296 --> 00:43:21,936
Speaker 3: times that I've hit him and I thought he was

952
00:43:21,976 --> 00:43:24,296
Speaker 3: going down and you look up and the crowd is

953
00:43:24,296 --> 00:43:26,696
Speaker 3: is cheering, and I'm thinking of cheering because I got

954
00:43:26,696 --> 00:43:29,096
Speaker 3: a sack and he completed a thirty yard ball down

955
00:43:29,096 --> 00:43:29,496
Speaker 3: the field.

956
00:43:29,576 --> 00:43:29,696
Speaker 2: Right.

957
00:43:29,736 --> 00:43:32,456
Speaker 3: It just it was he was difficult to to defend

958
00:43:32,536 --> 00:43:36,496
Speaker 3: and play against. But those were some times, man, because

959
00:43:36,576 --> 00:43:38,616
Speaker 3: you know, you had all these quarterbacks that were really

960
00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:40,296
Speaker 3: really good. I mean, you know, I got a stands

961
00:43:40,336 --> 00:43:43,616
Speaker 3: to play against Steve McNair, who was strong, who was

962
00:43:43,616 --> 00:43:47,776
Speaker 3: really really physical as well. And so just the game

963
00:43:48,096 --> 00:43:52,336
Speaker 3: has has changed, where these guys, the Patrick Mahomes, the Jaalen,

964
00:43:52,696 --> 00:43:55,536
Speaker 3: the Jalen hurts Is and Josh Allens and Justin Herbert,

965
00:43:55,856 --> 00:43:58,696
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, these guys not only can throw, but they

966
00:43:58,736 --> 00:44:02,536
Speaker 3: can and Lamar Jask can equally hurt you as well.

967
00:44:02,976 --> 00:44:04,776
Speaker 3: And we didn't have to We didn't have to deal

968
00:44:04,816 --> 00:44:07,856
Speaker 3: with that. Then we had to pick our poison during

969
00:44:07,856 --> 00:44:10,776
Speaker 3: that week. But now it's just all over the place

970
00:44:10,776 --> 00:44:14,216
Speaker 3: where you really have to rush these guys, completely different

971
00:44:14,216 --> 00:44:15,296
Speaker 3: than what you did when I played it.

972
00:44:30,776 --> 00:44:32,976
Speaker 2: You talked about the quarterbacks during that time. Was there

973
00:44:33,016 --> 00:44:36,336
Speaker 2: an offensive O line unit they used to go up

974
00:44:36,616 --> 00:44:40,016
Speaker 2: against and say, man, I gotta get myself up for

975
00:44:40,056 --> 00:44:40,576
Speaker 2: this one.

976
00:44:40,856 --> 00:44:44,336
Speaker 4: The Cansity Chiefs, the can City Chiefs during that time.

977
00:44:44,376 --> 00:44:47,496
Speaker 3: I mean talking about physical and I know some of

978
00:44:47,536 --> 00:44:49,856
Speaker 3: the guys that they're a little older, like Willie Rolf

979
00:44:49,896 --> 00:44:52,896
Speaker 3: and Brian Waters. But they had Tony Richards in at

980
00:44:52,936 --> 00:44:55,176
Speaker 3: full back preach homes and when Priest Holmes went out,

981
00:44:55,176 --> 00:44:56,776
Speaker 3: it was Larry Johnson that came in there.

982
00:44:58,016 --> 00:44:59,335
Speaker 4: Tony Againzalees on one side.

983
00:44:59,376 --> 00:45:01,216
Speaker 3: But a tight end that no one talked about enough

984
00:45:01,256 --> 00:45:04,296
Speaker 3: was Jason Dunn, who was six seven two and eighty pounds.

985
00:45:04,496 --> 00:45:07,016
Speaker 3: When he grabs you your if he grabs the play

986
00:45:07,136 --> 00:45:10,616
Speaker 3: was over, you can forget about it. And they were

987
00:45:10,696 --> 00:45:12,815
Speaker 3: just a physical bunch. They would line up in all

988
00:45:12,816 --> 00:45:16,656
Speaker 3: sorts of power. Whether it was a far or near eye,

989
00:45:16,736 --> 00:45:20,016
Speaker 3: it didn't matter, and they would just gas you thirty

990
00:45:20,096 --> 00:45:23,856
Speaker 3: five plus time, thirty five plus times downhill. You know,

991
00:45:23,896 --> 00:45:26,376
Speaker 3: you got to come down and Tony Richard's gotta kick out.

992
00:45:26,416 --> 00:45:28,856
Speaker 3: Tony Richard get under him and he may not come

993
00:45:28,856 --> 00:45:31,216
Speaker 3: to his time and Brian Waters and pulling guard is coming.

994
00:45:31,856 --> 00:45:35,736
Speaker 3: It was a different variation every single play of power.

995
00:45:36,656 --> 00:45:40,056
Speaker 3: And you just had I mean, we would play on

996
00:45:40,136 --> 00:45:44,176
Speaker 3: Sunday and my body sometimes wouldn't recover till like Wednesday, Thursday.

997
00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:46,096
Speaker 3: And this is when I was like twenty two twenty three,

998
00:45:46,336 --> 00:45:48,696
Speaker 3: when they started implementing Thursday night football. You could just

999
00:45:48,696 --> 00:45:51,576
Speaker 3: forget about it, right that that was just that was

1000
00:45:51,616 --> 00:45:56,136
Speaker 3: an afterthought because that team was so physical. But you

1001
00:45:56,176 --> 00:45:58,376
Speaker 3: know I got I played against Walter Jones, I played

1002
00:45:58,376 --> 00:46:02,536
Speaker 3: against Orlando Pace. You know, I played against probably one

1003
00:46:02,576 --> 00:46:04,176
Speaker 3: of the best that people don't talk about enough on

1004
00:46:04,176 --> 00:46:08,815
Speaker 3: my own team, and markets Neil.

1005
00:46:07,416 --> 00:46:08,136
Speaker 4: Out of Auburn.

1006
00:46:08,336 --> 00:46:10,696
Speaker 3: And you know, if Marcus didn't have that back problem,

1007
00:46:10,696 --> 00:46:12,096
Speaker 3: you know what, you would have been a Hall of Famer.

1008
00:46:12,536 --> 00:46:14,696
Speaker 3: This guy six seven six eight, three hundred and thirty

1009
00:46:14,696 --> 00:46:17,176
Speaker 3: five pounds and can move like a tight end, and

1010
00:46:17,216 --> 00:46:20,336
Speaker 3: I had to see him every single day and practice,

1011
00:46:20,496 --> 00:46:22,176
Speaker 3: and so I had my work cut out for me. Man,

1012
00:46:22,216 --> 00:46:25,056
Speaker 3: But we play some offensive line line that would just

1013
00:46:25,216 --> 00:46:26,896
Speaker 3: gash you and just physical.

1014
00:46:27,376 --> 00:46:29,656
Speaker 1: When did you start to be double teamed and did

1015
00:46:29,656 --> 00:46:32,416
Speaker 1: you have to alter your game again once that started

1016
00:46:32,456 --> 00:46:33,896
Speaker 1: to happen consistently.

1017
00:46:33,776 --> 00:46:37,976
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. I started to be double team towards

1018
00:46:38,016 --> 00:46:40,896
Speaker 3: the end of my rookie year. I didn't really I

1019
00:46:40,936 --> 00:46:43,376
Speaker 3: don't think I was on a map enough yet when

1020
00:46:43,376 --> 00:46:46,456
Speaker 3: I first came onto the scene. I think it was

1021
00:46:46,536 --> 00:46:50,096
Speaker 3: like after my three side game against Peyton my rookie year.

1022
00:46:50,776 --> 00:46:53,536
Speaker 3: That's when everybody's like, okay, yeah, well we know this

1023
00:46:53,656 --> 00:46:57,216
Speaker 3: guy is now. And then beginning of six from game one,

1024
00:46:57,336 --> 00:47:01,496
Speaker 3: all hell broke loose. It was bunch set tight ends

1025
00:47:01,576 --> 00:47:03,376
Speaker 3: hit me from the line of scrimets before they go out,

1026
00:47:03,416 --> 00:47:05,056
Speaker 3: and when they do it now a back is coming

1027
00:47:05,096 --> 00:47:07,976
Speaker 3: to hip be and their fan protection. And what I

1028
00:47:08,056 --> 00:47:10,416
Speaker 3: started to learn was, and I had this conversation with

1029
00:47:10,536 --> 00:47:13,696
Speaker 3: Micah when he was going into his second year. I said,

1030
00:47:13,696 --> 00:47:16,376
Speaker 3: bro let me tell you you're not a secret anymore.

1031
00:47:16,656 --> 00:47:19,736
Speaker 3: People know you, So I don't care what offensive lineman

1032
00:47:19,776 --> 00:47:21,576
Speaker 3: or which tight end or whoever is in front of you.

1033
00:47:21,576 --> 00:47:23,736
Speaker 4: You're not playing against them, you're playing against the coordinator.

1034
00:47:24,256 --> 00:47:25,696
Speaker 3: What are they going to come out and do this

1035
00:47:25,736 --> 00:47:28,096
Speaker 3: week to try to keep the ball as far asway

1036
00:47:28,096 --> 00:47:30,136
Speaker 3: from you as possible? And how can you steal record

1037
00:47:30,216 --> 00:47:32,656
Speaker 3: even if you're not making the play. So I would

1038
00:47:32,656 --> 00:47:35,816
Speaker 3: talk to him about things that I would do to

1039
00:47:36,056 --> 00:47:40,336
Speaker 3: just disruptive play long enough where okay, well, if you

1040
00:47:40,336 --> 00:47:42,416
Speaker 3: guys gonna hit me in this bunch set, I'm hitting

1041
00:47:42,496 --> 00:47:44,816
Speaker 3: two people, You're not going to get out to that route.

1042
00:47:45,056 --> 00:47:46,456
Speaker 3: And so that means you got to hold onto the

1043
00:47:46,456 --> 00:47:49,736
Speaker 3: ball longer. And so I started to play these games

1044
00:47:49,816 --> 00:47:53,736
Speaker 3: with the coordinators, and you know, I would have coordinators

1045
00:47:53,816 --> 00:47:56,576
Speaker 3: or offensive line coaches coming out. You know, we were

1046
00:47:56,576 --> 00:47:58,616
Speaker 3: playing for Eagles one one year and I was playing

1047
00:47:58,656 --> 00:48:02,056
Speaker 3: against Donofie Cannad their offensive line coaches that came out

1048
00:48:02,096 --> 00:48:04,936
Speaker 3: to me pregame and told Ron Rivere to pass be

1049
00:48:04,976 --> 00:48:08,536
Speaker 3: a message. He said, tell Sean that he is not

1050
00:48:08,616 --> 00:48:11,576
Speaker 3: going to touch down today.

1051
00:48:12,176 --> 00:48:12,576
Speaker 4: He said that.

1052
00:48:12,616 --> 00:48:14,416
Speaker 3: He said, we don't care who else make a play.

1053
00:48:14,776 --> 00:48:17,416
Speaker 3: But Sean w was not touching. And when I tell you,

1054
00:48:17,456 --> 00:48:22,096
Speaker 3: it was just a madhouse of formations. Slide protections, chips

1055
00:48:22,096 --> 00:48:25,696
Speaker 3: off the edge, fan protections, all sorts of variations, Guys

1056
00:48:25,696 --> 00:48:28,776
Speaker 3: going in motions, disrupting my pass rush before I got

1057
00:48:28,776 --> 00:48:29,776
Speaker 3: off the line of scrimmage.

1058
00:48:29,816 --> 00:48:32,816
Speaker 4: It was hell and he was right. I didn't sniff

1059
00:48:32,816 --> 00:48:34,656
Speaker 4: down it that whole game. It was just.

1060
00:48:36,136 --> 00:48:38,536
Speaker 3: I mean, they had two people and sometime three just

1061
00:48:38,536 --> 00:48:39,856
Speaker 3: to make sure I stayed away from him.

1062
00:48:40,456 --> 00:48:42,136
Speaker 2: Sean, you had to deal with a lot of injuries,

1063
00:48:42,376 --> 00:48:45,016
Speaker 2: specifically later in your career. How'd you deal with those?

1064
00:48:45,096 --> 00:48:47,256
Speaker 2: Both mentally and physically.

1065
00:48:47,896 --> 00:48:49,176
Speaker 4: The physical part wasn't is bad.

1066
00:48:49,216 --> 00:48:52,136
Speaker 3: It was a mental part that was the toughest because

1067
00:48:52,136 --> 00:48:53,976
Speaker 3: when you played the game at such a high level

1068
00:48:54,016 --> 00:48:58,336
Speaker 3: and you're used to dominating every week and not and

1069
00:48:58,376 --> 00:49:00,376
Speaker 3: going out there and being literally being able to take

1070
00:49:00,376 --> 00:49:04,416
Speaker 3: over a game and change the trajectory of that game yourself,

1071
00:49:04,416 --> 00:49:07,096
Speaker 3: and that's difficult defensive bless a lot for a defensive

1072
00:49:07,096 --> 00:49:10,296
Speaker 3: player to now being able to go just have flashes

1073
00:49:10,336 --> 00:49:12,496
Speaker 3: of it. Right, You'll go out there and make a

1074
00:49:12,496 --> 00:49:14,176
Speaker 3: big play. I can still get a sack, but I

1075
00:49:14,256 --> 00:49:18,336
Speaker 3: might disappear for a quarter, right, And because I couldn't

1076
00:49:18,336 --> 00:49:21,656
Speaker 3: consistently drive off the line of scrimmage because my achilles

1077
00:49:21,736 --> 00:49:23,576
Speaker 3: or need whatever I was dealing with at that time.

1078
00:49:24,096 --> 00:49:26,776
Speaker 3: And so you will go back and you're so accustomed

1079
00:49:26,816 --> 00:49:28,696
Speaker 3: to looking at that stat sheet after the game and

1080
00:49:28,736 --> 00:49:31,896
Speaker 3: it's hand two sacks and six tackles and two TFLs

1081
00:49:32,176 --> 00:49:35,496
Speaker 3: a force fund where you started. You get accustomed to

1082
00:49:35,656 --> 00:49:38,856
Speaker 3: this life and playing that way, and now looking at

1083
00:49:38,856 --> 00:49:41,736
Speaker 3: the film the next day on Monday, I'm like, man,

1084
00:49:41,896 --> 00:49:43,456
Speaker 3: a couple of years with I would have made that play.

1085
00:49:43,976 --> 00:49:47,056
Speaker 3: You know, if they ran a counter from the backside,

1086
00:49:47,056 --> 00:49:48,976
Speaker 3: I can run it down. They would never be able

1087
00:49:48,976 --> 00:49:50,416
Speaker 3: to run a counter on me, or they would never

1088
00:49:50,536 --> 00:49:53,416
Speaker 3: leave a tight end one on one backside to block

1089
00:49:53,496 --> 00:49:55,856
Speaker 3: me on a on a play action. It was just

1090
00:49:55,936 --> 00:49:58,416
Speaker 3: things like that that was just run through my head

1091
00:49:58,536 --> 00:50:02,656
Speaker 3: over and over again. And so the mental aspect of

1092
00:50:02,856 --> 00:50:05,696
Speaker 3: being injured and not being yourself anymore was way harder

1093
00:50:05,736 --> 00:50:07,936
Speaker 3: than that because you knew your body. I think a

1094
00:50:07,936 --> 00:50:09,696
Speaker 3: lot of people not only injury, but when you get

1095
00:50:09,696 --> 00:50:13,376
Speaker 3: older as a player, you like, okay, yeah, it's gonna

1096
00:50:13,376 --> 00:50:15,496
Speaker 3: take me a little bit warmer, longer than way to

1097
00:50:15,576 --> 00:50:17,336
Speaker 3: warm up. It's gonna take me a little bit longer

1098
00:50:17,336 --> 00:50:21,576
Speaker 3: and more ice tough, more cold tough, more stretching, more therapy,

1099
00:50:21,816 --> 00:50:24,296
Speaker 3: you know, more massages. You know as a player that

1100
00:50:24,376 --> 00:50:26,936
Speaker 3: you got to do those extra things even just to maintain.

1101
00:50:28,456 --> 00:50:30,336
Speaker 4: But you know, same thing with injury.

1102
00:50:30,296 --> 00:50:32,216
Speaker 3: It was just like, man, I just got to get

1103
00:50:32,256 --> 00:50:34,896
Speaker 3: healthy enough so I can go out there and play,

1104
00:50:34,936 --> 00:50:36,456
Speaker 3: even if I can't take over a game. No more.

1105
00:50:36,456 --> 00:50:39,216
Speaker 3: So the physical part I was actually okay with not

1106
00:50:39,256 --> 00:50:42,336
Speaker 3: being the same anymore. It was a mental part that

1107
00:50:42,416 --> 00:50:45,296
Speaker 3: I knew that I couldn't take over games anymore.

1108
00:50:45,856 --> 00:50:48,136
Speaker 1: To you were the juiciest downs, Third and eight, third

1109
00:50:48,176 --> 00:50:50,696
Speaker 1: and eleven, you know, third and thirteen when you just

1110
00:50:50,816 --> 00:50:53,536
Speaker 1: knew they were gonna throw it and they old pin

1111
00:50:53,616 --> 00:50:55,416
Speaker 1: your ears back. Was that when you would get most hyped.

1112
00:50:55,576 --> 00:50:57,936
Speaker 4: Oh man, you love being those situations.

1113
00:50:57,936 --> 00:51:02,136
Speaker 3: And you know, I was telling a job who I

1114
00:51:02,176 --> 00:51:04,696
Speaker 3: played with, who was a defensive line coach with the

1115
00:51:04,696 --> 00:51:09,456
Speaker 3: Cleveland Brown and he was talking about Miles Garretty. Put

1116
00:51:09,496 --> 00:51:14,256
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett on FaceTime before and I was telling him

1117
00:51:14,256 --> 00:51:17,576
Speaker 3: and I was fortunate because we had an offense we

1118
00:51:17,696 --> 00:51:21,536
Speaker 3: knew that was gonna get up two scores on people.

1119
00:51:21,576 --> 00:51:23,896
Speaker 3: We knew that we were gonna get in third long

1120
00:51:23,936 --> 00:51:27,616
Speaker 3: situations and sometimes you know, I'll come out on first

1121
00:51:27,616 --> 00:51:29,656
Speaker 3: down on second down, just to make sure I'm fresh

1122
00:51:29,696 --> 00:51:30,176
Speaker 3: for thirst.

1123
00:51:30,216 --> 00:51:33,296
Speaker 4: Now you got you got a friend, you know, I'll

1124
00:51:33,336 --> 00:51:34,016
Speaker 4: go out there.

1125
00:51:33,976 --> 00:51:34,336
Speaker 2: Tap it.

1126
00:51:34,376 --> 00:51:36,176
Speaker 4: I'll tap my hand, tap my head.

1127
00:51:36,176 --> 00:51:38,376
Speaker 3: On first down, you know they running the ball, and

1128
00:51:38,536 --> 00:51:40,736
Speaker 3: you know they might rent a play action on second down,

1129
00:51:40,776 --> 00:51:42,856
Speaker 3: but you know they getting that third five plus they

1130
00:51:42,896 --> 00:51:44,376
Speaker 3: gotta throw the ball down the field.

1131
00:51:44,616 --> 00:51:46,656
Speaker 4: And then you go see me trotting back on the field.

1132
00:51:46,696 --> 00:51:47,336
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go.

1133
00:51:47,416 --> 00:51:50,976
Speaker 3: I'm fresh, all yea. I told you it was a game.

1134
00:51:51,016 --> 00:51:52,496
Speaker 3: It was a mental battle for me out there. I

1135
00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:56,096
Speaker 3: played the game right, and you know, I just just

1136
00:51:56,136 --> 00:51:59,456
Speaker 3: knew that those were the times that I can go

1137
00:51:59,496 --> 00:52:02,376
Speaker 3: out and have my biggest impact. That those times, you know,

1138
00:52:02,456 --> 00:52:05,456
Speaker 3: third long situations they needed they need to stop, you know,

1139
00:52:06,536 --> 00:52:08,816
Speaker 3: or turnover and downs, or we need to get off

1140
00:52:08,816 --> 00:52:11,016
Speaker 3: the field. That was my time to shine.

1141
00:52:11,496 --> 00:52:16,576
Speaker 2: Was one of your favorite songs when you're in San Diego, Sandego,

1142
00:52:16,936 --> 00:52:20,496
Speaker 2: super I remember that song and every time I left,

1143
00:52:20,496 --> 00:52:23,056
Speaker 2: my family would be singing it. Do you remember that song?

1144
00:52:23,096 --> 00:52:25,056
Speaker 2: And do you still sing that jingle? They had the

1145
00:52:25,136 --> 00:52:28,256
Speaker 2: song that played every time they scored Sandy, Here you go,

1146
00:52:28,616 --> 00:52:33,376
Speaker 2: super Charge Sandy. Yeah, I'll do that.

1147
00:52:33,496 --> 00:52:37,216
Speaker 3: It's the best man because they uh, you see the

1148
00:52:37,216 --> 00:52:40,096
Speaker 3: whole the whole stadium, everybody on the fans party and

1149
00:52:40,656 --> 00:52:44,136
Speaker 3: just having a great time. And you hated to hear

1150
00:52:44,176 --> 00:52:47,176
Speaker 3: it because you know what happened in that song, So

1151
00:52:48,016 --> 00:52:48,696
Speaker 3: that's ailearation.

1152
00:52:48,816 --> 00:52:50,376
Speaker 4: Family was singing it though, all.

1153
00:52:50,296 --> 00:52:53,256
Speaker 2: The kids, everybody. I'm like, guys, we just got stomped. Like,

1154
00:52:53,416 --> 00:52:54,256
Speaker 2: let's let's move on.

1155
00:52:54,416 --> 00:52:56,936
Speaker 1: What's up with? What's up with your relationship?

1156
00:52:56,976 --> 00:52:57,096
Speaker 4: Now?

1157
00:52:57,136 --> 00:52:59,176
Speaker 2: With the Chargers, I still.

1158
00:52:58,976 --> 00:53:00,776
Speaker 4: Still do a lot of the team.

1159
00:53:01,136 --> 00:53:03,256
Speaker 3: You know, every year we shoot a big since they've

1160
00:53:03,256 --> 00:53:07,416
Speaker 3: been in sofar, shoot a big promo pregame before the

1161
00:53:07,496 --> 00:53:09,896
Speaker 3: team comes out. Last year it was just me kind

1162
00:53:09,936 --> 00:53:11,936
Speaker 3: of a hype up video, which which is really dope.

1163
00:53:12,696 --> 00:53:17,136
Speaker 3: This year it's Melt and Antonio Gates. So this year

1164
00:53:17,176 --> 00:53:20,936
Speaker 3: they killed it. I think the Charges social media and

1165
00:53:21,016 --> 00:53:22,816
Speaker 3: digital team of the best in the NFL. I mean,

1166
00:53:22,856 --> 00:53:26,096
Speaker 3: they they really really knock it out the park. And

1167
00:53:26,096 --> 00:53:28,296
Speaker 3: then so me now and everything I got going. You know,

1168
00:53:28,296 --> 00:53:31,936
Speaker 3: I'm really big into creativity and the digital platforms and

1169
00:53:32,496 --> 00:53:34,536
Speaker 3: you know, driving traffic to certain content.

1170
00:53:34,576 --> 00:53:35,656
Speaker 4: They just do a good job.

1171
00:53:35,736 --> 00:53:35,896
Speaker 2: Man.

1172
00:53:36,696 --> 00:53:38,456
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm at ever your home game and I

1173
00:53:38,496 --> 00:53:40,656
Speaker 3: still still do a lot and work with the team

1174
00:53:40,656 --> 00:53:41,416
Speaker 3: and support the team.

1175
00:53:41,616 --> 00:53:43,976
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Jim Harbaugh coming in obviously

1176
00:53:44,096 --> 00:53:47,296
Speaker 2: last year Los Angeles Sergers. He's getting named the head coach,

1177
00:53:47,376 --> 00:53:50,296
Speaker 2: but talk about the culture shift that this organization's gone

1178
00:53:50,296 --> 00:53:51,456
Speaker 2: through under his leadership.

1179
00:53:51,776 --> 00:53:53,656
Speaker 3: You know, when I'm punching somebody else in the gut,

1180
00:53:53,656 --> 00:53:57,576
Speaker 3: it's night and day. I mean it's And don't get

1181
00:53:57,576 --> 00:54:01,736
Speaker 3: me wrong, I really like Brandon Staley personally. When Brandon

1182
00:54:01,776 --> 00:54:03,496
Speaker 3: Staley got hired, you know, I was one of the

1183
00:54:03,536 --> 00:54:05,256
Speaker 3: first people he called, and you called me a knight

1184
00:54:06,136 --> 00:54:07,696
Speaker 3: and we talked on the phone for a good twenty

1185
00:54:07,736 --> 00:54:12,656
Speaker 3: thirty minutes. Great conversation. Really motivated. You hear the enthusiasm

1186
00:54:12,696 --> 00:54:14,976
Speaker 3: in his voice, like he had all the good, all

1187
00:54:15,016 --> 00:54:18,056
Speaker 3: the good intentions of turning the organization around. And I

1188
00:54:18,056 --> 00:54:19,416
Speaker 3: think he could have if he had a little bit

1189
00:54:19,456 --> 00:54:22,496
Speaker 3: more experience. But I think that's what bit him, is

1190
00:54:22,496 --> 00:54:24,616
Speaker 3: that he you know, being a hit, you know, being

1191
00:54:24,616 --> 00:54:26,056
Speaker 3: a really good coordinator, coordinated.

1192
00:54:26,056 --> 00:54:27,496
Speaker 4: We're seeing it across the NFL.

1193
00:54:28,216 --> 00:54:30,656
Speaker 3: Uh. It is tough to jump in that head coaching

1194
00:54:30,736 --> 00:54:33,896
Speaker 3: job because you've become a manager of everybody. It's not

1195
00:54:34,016 --> 00:54:36,376
Speaker 3: you calling plays anymore. You're just looking at the offense

1196
00:54:36,376 --> 00:54:37,936
Speaker 3: side of the baar. You don't have to worry about

1197
00:54:37,976 --> 00:54:40,256
Speaker 3: down the distance or you know, win a call, the

1198
00:54:40,296 --> 00:54:42,096
Speaker 3: time out, punt situations, special teams.

1199
00:54:42,096 --> 00:54:43,456
Speaker 4: You don't have to worry about any of that other thing.

1200
00:54:43,496 --> 00:54:45,336
Speaker 3: You got to worry about your your guys getting on

1201
00:54:45,376 --> 00:54:48,336
Speaker 3: and off the field, uh on the offensive defense side

1202
00:54:48,336 --> 00:54:51,536
Speaker 3: of the ball. And I just felt that, you know what,

1203
00:54:51,696 --> 00:54:55,216
Speaker 3: Brandon stealely like, I just the experience got him at

1204
00:54:55,216 --> 00:54:57,056
Speaker 3: the end because it was some of the moments got

1205
00:54:57,096 --> 00:54:59,576
Speaker 3: too big for him and he wasn't ready for those

1206
00:54:59,576 --> 00:55:01,016
Speaker 3: big moments in the game.

1207
00:55:01,456 --> 00:55:01,616
Speaker 2: Now.

1208
00:55:01,616 --> 00:55:06,016
Speaker 3: When Jim rbar came in, I knew it. I knew

1209
00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:12,696
Speaker 3: right away that my first visit to the facility. I

1210
00:55:12,856 --> 00:55:18,216
Speaker 3: was there and it was an energy that everybody walked

1211
00:55:18,256 --> 00:55:20,216
Speaker 3: around with. It was completely different than I saw in

1212
00:55:20,536 --> 00:55:23,576
Speaker 3: the previous years. And it's like people walking around with

1213
00:55:23,616 --> 00:55:27,336
Speaker 3: a purpose. They had confidence, they knew they were like

1214
00:55:27,376 --> 00:55:29,336
Speaker 3: everybody knew what to do. It was it was just

1215
00:55:29,696 --> 00:55:31,976
Speaker 3: I was talking to them, one of the coordinators that

1216
00:55:32,056 --> 00:55:35,216
Speaker 3: came in with Jim, and they just were talking like, man,

1217
00:55:35,216 --> 00:55:38,016
Speaker 3: they will follow this dude to the moon. It's like

1218
00:55:38,456 --> 00:55:43,056
Speaker 3: he eats, breathe and sleeps football and it's not like

1219
00:55:43,456 --> 00:55:48,856
Speaker 3: a show like this is who he is and the vibe,

1220
00:55:48,976 --> 00:55:52,856
Speaker 3: just the energy of everything is shifted in that building

1221
00:55:52,936 --> 00:55:55,056
Speaker 3: this first day walking in there.

1222
00:55:54,976 --> 00:55:56,776
Speaker 4: Where the guys who.

1223
00:55:58,256 --> 00:56:01,216
Speaker 3: Wanted to buy in bought in and the guys who

1224
00:56:01,256 --> 00:56:04,096
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna buy in they were out, period.

1225
00:56:04,336 --> 00:56:06,136
Speaker 4: And that's that's what you have to have.

1226
00:56:06,256 --> 00:56:08,576
Speaker 3: You have to have that umbrella effect to trickle down

1227
00:56:08,616 --> 00:56:10,776
Speaker 3: from the top down down to the bottomy. And also

1228
00:56:11,136 --> 00:56:14,896
Speaker 3: ge Ortiz, you know the GM, you know he's he's

1229
00:56:14,936 --> 00:56:18,336
Speaker 3: a football guy. And again Tom to Let's go. Really

1230
00:56:18,376 --> 00:56:22,016
Speaker 3: liked Tom personally a lot. We used to spend talk

1231
00:56:22,096 --> 00:56:24,936
Speaker 3: a lot and spend time conversating. I like him a lot,

1232
00:56:24,976 --> 00:56:28,296
Speaker 3: but he was more of a numbers and data's guy, right,

1233
00:56:28,336 --> 00:56:31,176
Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong with that. But they can't reflect

1234
00:56:31,256 --> 00:56:34,416
Speaker 3: in your team right, in how you play football, because

1235
00:56:34,656 --> 00:56:37,376
Speaker 3: you know this game is so passionate and physical, you

1236
00:56:37,456 --> 00:56:40,416
Speaker 3: can't It ain't about decimals and numbers all the time.

1237
00:56:40,536 --> 00:56:41,736
Speaker 4: Just now you got to go out and hit people

1238
00:56:41,776 --> 00:56:42,176
Speaker 4: in the mouth.

1239
00:56:42,336 --> 00:56:45,816
Speaker 3: And if you don't have that attitude to trickle down

1240
00:56:45,896 --> 00:56:48,136
Speaker 3: from the top down to the bottom, it's going to

1241
00:56:48,176 --> 00:56:50,456
Speaker 3: affect everybody and I believe that's what happened with Times

1242
00:56:50,456 --> 00:56:50,856
Speaker 3: and Let's go.

1243
00:56:50,936 --> 00:56:52,176
Speaker 4: That's what happened to Brandon Staley.

1244
00:56:52,656 --> 00:56:55,816
Speaker 3: It was kind of a domino effect of numbers and

1245
00:56:56,656 --> 00:57:00,296
Speaker 3: opportunity and these percentages. It was too much thinking. And

1246
00:57:00,416 --> 00:57:02,736
Speaker 3: ge ortis if you talk to George's you know, I

1247
00:57:02,736 --> 00:57:05,976
Speaker 3: talked to him before the game. Sometimes if like you're

1248
00:57:05,976 --> 00:57:08,736
Speaker 3: talking to a player, like you're talking to a player

1249
00:57:08,736 --> 00:57:09,576
Speaker 3: that's about to suit.

1250
00:57:09,496 --> 00:57:11,216
Speaker 4: Up right now and go out and play football.

1251
00:57:11,256 --> 00:57:13,136
Speaker 3: That's what you get when you're talking to Joe Ortiz,

1252
00:57:13,656 --> 00:57:15,576
Speaker 3: And that's what you get out of Jim Hallball. That's

1253
00:57:15,656 --> 00:57:18,016
Speaker 3: you get out of the team. Like there's a level

1254
00:57:18,056 --> 00:57:22,896
Speaker 3: of excitement around this team that is contagious. You know,

1255
00:57:23,016 --> 00:57:26,656
Speaker 3: guys love wanting it, We love playing football again. I

1256
00:57:26,696 --> 00:57:29,856
Speaker 3: didn't see that the years before, before Jim Hallwall got there.

1257
00:57:29,976 --> 00:57:31,496
Speaker 3: It was like a bunch of guys that was just

1258
00:57:31,576 --> 00:57:33,256
Speaker 3: out there. They didn't know what they were doing. It

1259
00:57:33,376 --> 00:57:35,376
Speaker 3: wasn't passionate about what they're doing. They didn't want to

1260
00:57:35,376 --> 00:57:38,216
Speaker 3: show up to work and put all there all day.

1261
00:57:38,256 --> 00:57:41,096
Speaker 3: They didn't buy in. And that that team under Jim

1262
00:57:41,136 --> 00:57:45,376
Speaker 3: Hobball has bought in. And that's the difference I've seen

1263
00:57:45,416 --> 00:57:46,616
Speaker 3: over the last several years.

1264
00:57:47,056 --> 00:57:48,736
Speaker 1: Final question for you, and we were talking about this

1265
00:57:48,776 --> 00:57:50,976
Speaker 1: before you came on. But and that's why we started

1266
00:57:50,976 --> 00:57:54,096
Speaker 1: on fighting was lights out Extreme Fighting. So you know,

1267
00:57:54,136 --> 00:57:56,496
Speaker 1: I was again looking at your Instagram and looking at

1268
00:57:56,496 --> 00:57:59,416
Speaker 1: the five videos and reading about the organization a bit.

1269
00:57:59,456 --> 00:58:01,296
Speaker 2: So what do you like? What is it that you do?

1270
00:58:01,376 --> 00:58:03,776
Speaker 1: Because this is your event, this is your organization, So

1271
00:58:03,816 --> 00:58:05,096
Speaker 1: what what is your role in this?

1272
00:58:05,736 --> 00:58:06,176
Speaker 4: Everything?

1273
00:58:08,016 --> 00:58:09,256
Speaker 3: You know, I got my I got my hand and

1274
00:58:09,296 --> 00:58:11,816
Speaker 3: everything a little bit, from the matchmaking on to the

1275
00:58:11,896 --> 00:58:16,296
Speaker 3: digital to the distribution. We're on my network lights Our

1276
00:58:16,336 --> 00:58:18,376
Speaker 3: Sports TV, which is a free ad support at all

1277
00:58:18,376 --> 00:58:24,456
Speaker 3: sports streaming service that is completely free available in every

1278
00:58:24,456 --> 00:58:26,296
Speaker 3: smart TV I US and I enjoy got a ton

1279
00:58:26,296 --> 00:58:28,456
Speaker 3: of free live sports there. But you know, we got

1280
00:58:28,456 --> 00:58:31,216
Speaker 3: the next up and coming superstars in this MMA business.

1281
00:58:31,336 --> 00:58:34,736
Speaker 4: And you know, my first UFC fight was in two

1282
00:58:34,736 --> 00:58:35,296
Speaker 4: thousand and five.

1283
00:58:35,376 --> 00:58:39,736
Speaker 3: It was Chuck Lerdale Randy Guitur And every year since

1284
00:58:39,736 --> 00:58:41,976
Speaker 3: two thousand and five, I've been to at least four events,

1285
00:58:42,096 --> 00:58:45,296
Speaker 3: So you know, count twenty years times, that's how many

1286
00:58:45,456 --> 00:58:48,376
Speaker 3: of UFC fights I've been to in my lifetime at least.

1287
00:58:49,536 --> 00:58:52,376
Speaker 3: And we want to develop these next up and cooming guys.

1288
00:58:52,416 --> 00:58:54,136
Speaker 3: I mean, we just had a huge fight down the

1289
00:58:54,176 --> 00:58:56,696
Speaker 3: Long Beach Lights Out Extreme Fight in twenty seven this

1290
00:58:56,776 --> 00:59:02,216
Speaker 3: past Saturday, and Tyrrell Fortune was our main event heavyweight

1291
00:59:02,296 --> 00:59:04,536
Speaker 3: number one pound pound heavyweight in the country right now,

1292
00:59:04,656 --> 00:59:06,656
Speaker 3: he'll probably end up at the UFC. If he's not

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00:59:06,896 --> 00:59:09,096
Speaker 3: there in the next few weeks, he'll fight with us

1294
00:59:09,096 --> 00:59:11,096
Speaker 3: one more time and then get there so he may

1295
00:59:11,136 --> 00:59:13,416
Speaker 3: be signed in the UFC. And we we got uh

1296
00:59:13,456 --> 00:59:16,496
Speaker 3: one or two more guys from this next card November first,

1297
00:59:16,496 --> 00:59:17,896
Speaker 3: there will be in Long Beast, California.

1298
00:59:17,936 --> 00:59:20,376
Speaker 4: Again, uh they would also be signed in the UFC.

1299
00:59:21,096 --> 00:59:22,016
Speaker 2: And we just.

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00:59:22,016 --> 00:59:27,616
Speaker 3: Launched our new uh Ai virtual advertisement, so the sponsors

1301
00:59:27,656 --> 00:59:31,096
Speaker 3: now are changing on a matt between fights, which has

1302
00:59:31,136 --> 00:59:33,576
Speaker 3: never been done in combat sports. And now we're opening

1303
00:59:33,696 --> 00:59:36,936
Speaker 3: up to other combat sports organizations and other other uh

1304
00:59:37,616 --> 00:59:41,176
Speaker 3: you know, other professional league soccer and baseball and everything else.

1305
00:59:41,936 --> 00:59:45,936
Speaker 3: But we brought that to market and so I love honestly,

1306
00:59:46,696 --> 00:59:48,496
Speaker 3: you know, and this, don't get me wrong, it is

1307
00:59:48,576 --> 00:59:51,536
Speaker 3: hectic as hell, right, it is hectic. I mean, we

1308
00:59:51,616 --> 00:59:54,736
Speaker 3: lost fights during on Monday, the fighters on Saturday, we

1309
00:59:54,816 --> 00:59:57,296
Speaker 3: lost the fight got you know, one miss way. The

1310
00:59:57,336 --> 01:00:00,376
Speaker 3: other one had an accidental elbow in practice and he

1311
01:00:00,416 --> 01:00:03,096
Speaker 3: had to pull out. So you gotta find new two

1312
01:00:03,136 --> 01:00:05,896
Speaker 3: new fighters, right. So now we're gathering the team and

1313
01:00:05,936 --> 01:00:08,136
Speaker 3: we're switching a card around and switching in order to

1314
01:00:08,216 --> 01:00:10,576
Speaker 3: fights for TV because we're on you know, some other

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01:00:10,656 --> 01:00:14,056
Speaker 3: networks as well, simulcast. But I wouldn't want to do

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01:00:14,216 --> 01:00:17,176
Speaker 3: anything else I got. I got fortunate, man, because it

1317
01:00:17,296 --> 01:00:20,256
Speaker 3: is tough. I told any like anyone that I talked to,

1318
01:00:20,296 --> 01:00:22,176
Speaker 3: when you get done, it is tough trying to figure

1319
01:00:22,216 --> 01:00:25,736
Speaker 3: out that next thing. It is tough because we're so regimented,

1320
01:00:25,816 --> 01:00:28,696
Speaker 3: we're so used to doing something for so long.

1321
01:00:29,216 --> 01:00:31,096
Speaker 4: Now you're trying to figure out, Okay, who am I?

1322
01:00:31,336 --> 01:00:32,416
Speaker 4: What am I about? Now?

1323
01:00:32,896 --> 01:00:35,416
Speaker 3: Now you don't have this this MFL and this football

1324
01:00:35,456 --> 01:00:37,976
Speaker 3: snamp over you. I got fortunate because I was doing

1325
01:00:37,976 --> 01:00:38,936
Speaker 3: this for a long time.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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01:00:39,416 --> 01:00:41,616
Speaker 3: I got into TV when I got done, and I

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01:00:41,696 --> 01:00:46,496
Speaker 3: under steal production and advertisement and marketing and entertainment, and

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01:00:46,576 --> 01:00:48,976
Speaker 3: so that's you know, we feel that we're the next,

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01:00:49,216 --> 01:00:50,896
Speaker 3: you know, big company in the world when it comes

1331
01:00:50,896 --> 01:00:55,576
Speaker 3: to combat sports, and with this technology we're introducing, we're

1332
01:00:55,656 --> 01:00:58,896
Speaker 3: going to be one of the most groundbreaking organizations in

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01:00:58,896 --> 01:00:59,216
Speaker 3: the world.

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Speaker 1: He shortly lights out Extreme Fighting, which is lightsoutsports tv

1335
01:01:03,056 --> 01:01:05,176
Speaker 1: dot com and if you go there you can find

1336
01:01:05,176 --> 01:01:08,216
Speaker 1: all the different places that the network is. So yeah,

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01:01:08,296 --> 01:01:10,456
Speaker 1: congrats on that. That's super cool. It sounds like you

1338
01:01:10,496 --> 01:01:11,816
Speaker 1: found your second calling.

1339
01:01:12,176 --> 01:01:15,976
Speaker 3: Yeah, promoting fights from one crazy from one crazy sports

1340
01:01:16,016 --> 01:01:16,456
Speaker 3: to the next.

1341
01:01:16,456 --> 01:01:18,616
Speaker 4: Man. But it has been awesome. It's been awesome, Sean.

1342
01:01:18,656 --> 01:01:21,176
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time. Thank you so much. Good luck

1343
01:01:21,656 --> 01:01:24,296
Speaker 1: with fights, and yeah, we just really appreciate the time

1344
01:01:24,336 --> 01:01:25,776
Speaker 1: you come up to here talking about your career.

1345
01:01:26,016 --> 01:01:27,696
Speaker 4: You got it, man, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

1346
01:01:27,696 --> 01:01:28,216
Speaker 2: Thanks, Sean.

1347
01:01:43,656 --> 01:01:46,296
Speaker 1: Hey, looking at this week's games, I gotta say bad

1348
01:01:46,296 --> 01:01:48,416
Speaker 1: week for games just generally speaking, not.

1349
01:01:48,896 --> 01:01:51,496
Speaker 2: A great week of games. Yeah. I always looking through

1350
01:01:51,536 --> 01:01:54,056
Speaker 2: some of them as well, and I was like, nothing

1351
01:01:54,136 --> 01:01:56,376
Speaker 2: too sexy on there this week, And you really want

1352
01:01:56,376 --> 01:01:58,496
Speaker 2: to prop your feet up and just say, I'm gonna

1353
01:01:58,496 --> 01:01:59,696
Speaker 2: watch this one through and through.

1354
01:01:59,776 --> 01:02:03,496
Speaker 1: I got a couple like Eagles at Bucks. Eagles Bucks

1355
01:02:03,496 --> 01:02:05,856
Speaker 1: should be a good one. That's the game, right, one

1356
01:02:05,936 --> 01:02:09,056
Speaker 1: hundred percent. How about Baker Mayfield, Yeah, I mean the

1357
01:02:09,056 --> 01:02:12,176
Speaker 1: Bucks cannot sustain him having to make game winning drives.

1358
01:02:12,176 --> 01:02:12,696
Speaker 1: Every game.

1359
01:02:12,776 --> 01:02:15,256
Speaker 2: Don't let him have ninety seconds on the clock because

1360
01:02:15,256 --> 01:02:17,816
Speaker 2: that dude is gonna go down and he's gonna win.

1361
01:02:17,896 --> 01:02:20,216
Speaker 2: I love that kid, you know what a kid, he's

1362
01:02:20,216 --> 01:02:23,376
Speaker 2: a man. Let's be honest. You know what he reminds

1363
01:02:23,416 --> 01:02:25,896
Speaker 2: me of a little bit, just like how he plays

1364
01:02:25,936 --> 01:02:29,296
Speaker 2: the game and just the the effect that he has

1365
01:02:29,456 --> 01:02:32,176
Speaker 2: is Brett Farv And the reason I say it, he's

1366
01:02:32,216 --> 01:02:36,896
Speaker 2: tough his nails. He plays with this childlike enthusiasm and

1367
01:02:36,936 --> 01:02:39,096
Speaker 2: he just seems like he's enjoying himself out there. And

1368
01:02:39,096 --> 01:02:42,936
Speaker 2: I just remember I always was drawn to that about

1369
01:02:42,936 --> 01:02:45,216
Speaker 2: Brett fav and when I watch him, I see those

1370
01:02:45,336 --> 01:02:48,296
Speaker 2: different components of his game that I'm like, that's he's

1371
01:02:48,296 --> 01:02:48,976
Speaker 2: got some to him.

1372
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Speaker 1: The other one is Colts at Rams. Now, the Rams

1373
01:02:52,696 --> 01:02:55,016
Speaker 1: did lose, but the Rams are a good football team

1374
01:02:55,496 --> 01:02:59,136
Speaker 1: and we're really gonna see I mean, the Colts until

1375
01:02:59,256 --> 01:03:01,416
Speaker 1: what the second quarter hadn't punted all year.

1376
01:03:02,136 --> 01:03:02,976
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.

1377
01:03:03,016 --> 01:03:06,336
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable any dimes, baby, Yes, So the Culture going

1378
01:03:06,416 --> 01:03:10,056
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. I think those are the premier games.

1379
01:03:10,176 --> 01:03:11,696
Speaker 2: I think that would be a huge game for the

1380
01:03:11,736 --> 01:03:15,616
Speaker 2: Colts because, like you said, the Rams, they go on

1381
01:03:15,656 --> 01:03:18,576
Speaker 2: the road in Philly. They're up twenty six to seven

1382
01:03:19,336 --> 01:03:23,856
Speaker 2: early in the third quarter, and then Philly catches fire.

1383
01:03:24,336 --> 01:03:27,096
Speaker 2: Hurts goes out, figures out aj Brown's out there, and

1384
01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:29,576
Speaker 2: just throw him the rock. They all of a sudden

1385
01:03:29,616 --> 01:03:31,616
Speaker 2: take the lead. But the Rams go back down put themselves.

1386
01:03:31,696 --> 01:03:34,576
Speaker 2: They're about to kick a game winning field goal. Jordan

1387
01:03:34,696 --> 01:03:37,896
Speaker 2: Davis is a dude. He was clocked. You know how

1388
01:03:37,936 --> 01:03:38,936
Speaker 2: he's clocked at running there.

1389
01:03:38,976 --> 01:03:40,016
Speaker 1: I saw to eighteen miles an hour.

1390
01:03:41,016 --> 01:03:44,856
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you imagine big dude an hour hundred and

1391
01:03:44,856 --> 01:03:46,296
Speaker 2: thirty pounds moving.

1392
01:03:47,376 --> 01:03:50,776
Speaker 1: Thursday night, Seahawks at Cardinals. It'll be honest, So I'll

1393
01:03:50,816 --> 01:03:53,696
Speaker 1: watch it just the other games in general. Vikings at Steelers,

1394
01:03:54,336 --> 01:03:58,216
Speaker 1: mild interest. Panthers of Patriots again.

1395
01:03:59,936 --> 01:04:02,936
Speaker 2: Patriots had what five turnovers in that game? Oh my god?

1396
01:04:03,056 --> 01:04:09,056
Speaker 1: Oh those two end zone unbelievable. With your experience with

1397
01:04:09,136 --> 01:04:11,776
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, what do you think his reaction was after

1398
01:04:11,776 --> 01:04:12,136
Speaker 1: the game.

1399
01:04:13,376 --> 01:04:16,496
Speaker 2: Oh, he went in there and said, we we lost

1400
01:04:16,536 --> 01:04:18,576
Speaker 2: this game. We lost this game because we turned over

1401
01:04:18,616 --> 01:04:20,296
Speaker 2: the ball five times. If we don't take care of

1402
01:04:20,296 --> 01:04:22,936
Speaker 2: the football, we will put ourselves in a position where

1403
01:04:22,976 --> 01:04:25,536
Speaker 2: we won't win any game. And I thought Drake may

1404
01:04:25,576 --> 01:04:28,816
Speaker 2: played pretty well, but he made some decisions that obviously

1405
01:04:28,856 --> 01:04:31,056
Speaker 2: he wants back at the end of the day. There's

1406
01:04:31,096 --> 01:04:33,336
Speaker 2: no way when you turn over the ball five times,

1407
01:04:33,416 --> 01:04:35,496
Speaker 2: and he's going to be harping on their ass all

1408
01:04:35,576 --> 01:04:38,296
Speaker 2: week long, and he'll be relentless about it because he

1409
01:04:38,336 --> 01:04:40,336
Speaker 2: knows if they don't fix that, there's no.

1410
01:04:40,336 --> 01:04:45,576
Speaker 1: Chance Commanders at Falcons. Mariota played pretty good. Dude, my boy, Marcus,

1411
01:04:45,576 --> 01:04:47,616
Speaker 1: did I tell you he's a baller?

1412
01:04:48,136 --> 01:04:50,576
Speaker 2: Yeah? And he went out and played like one awesome

1413
01:04:50,736 --> 01:04:52,576
Speaker 2: and I was so excited for when I text him

1414
01:04:52,616 --> 01:04:54,256
Speaker 2: after the game just to let him know that I

1415
01:04:54,336 --> 01:04:57,576
Speaker 2: was proud of him and just really excited for the success.

1416
01:04:58,096 --> 01:05:00,456
Speaker 2: And he always you know what, the thing about him

1417
01:05:00,616 --> 01:05:02,456
Speaker 2: is awesome because you know he's getting bombarded with all

1418
01:05:02,496 --> 01:05:04,856
Speaker 2: this stuff. He text me back, hope the families. Well,

1419
01:05:04,856 --> 01:05:07,376
Speaker 2: that's the type guy is, So I hope nothing but

1420
01:05:07,496 --> 01:05:08,376
Speaker 2: success is for him.

1421
01:05:08,736 --> 01:05:10,896
Speaker 1: Saints of Bills, that should be a blowout. But we

1422
01:05:10,896 --> 01:05:13,656
Speaker 1: thought the same thing about the freaking Dolphins last week.

1423
01:05:13,696 --> 01:05:17,136
Speaker 2: With the Bills, we did, I mean, but then again,

1424
01:05:17,536 --> 01:05:20,616
Speaker 2: that was a division rivalry that they're very familiar with

1425
01:05:20,656 --> 01:05:22,696
Speaker 2: each other. They play against each other twice a year,

1426
01:05:23,176 --> 01:05:26,656
Speaker 2: and so I always I feel like in those type

1427
01:05:26,656 --> 01:05:28,776
Speaker 2: of games, with the familiarity you have with the different

1428
01:05:28,776 --> 01:05:31,576
Speaker 2: schemes and system, that there's a confidence level that goes

1429
01:05:31,736 --> 01:05:34,096
Speaker 2: into you playing in those type of games.

1430
01:05:34,616 --> 01:05:36,976
Speaker 1: Brown's at Lions. How about those gritty Browns?

1431
01:05:37,336 --> 01:05:39,616
Speaker 2: Did their defense? Is savage shorts?

1432
01:05:40,096 --> 01:05:42,256
Speaker 1: Love their freaking uniforms last week?

1433
01:05:42,336 --> 01:05:45,616
Speaker 2: Yeah, they look the dark brown. Oh yeah, that's awesome.

1434
01:05:45,656 --> 01:05:48,856
Speaker 1: They're awesome Chargers of Giants. That'll be fun just to

1435
01:05:48,896 --> 01:05:51,016
Speaker 1: see what Jackson dark can do. See if he loses

1436
01:05:51,016 --> 01:05:56,016
Speaker 1: his jewels. Yeah, seriously, tougher sauty Titans of Texans.

1437
01:05:56,136 --> 01:05:59,496
Speaker 2: That should be an interesting matchup. Both of the teams

1438
01:05:59,496 --> 01:06:02,376
Speaker 2: are struggling. Yeah, I mean Titans go in there and

1439
01:06:02,456 --> 01:06:03,376
Speaker 2: take down Houston.

1440
01:06:03,456 --> 01:06:06,136
Speaker 1: Oh boy, one of them has to go back to

1441
01:06:06,176 --> 01:06:13,736
Speaker 1: college relegated. The loser gets regular alligated, alligated. Jackson forty

1442
01:06:13,816 --> 01:06:15,416
Speaker 1: nine ers, forty nine ers, just keep on.

1443
01:06:16,536 --> 01:06:20,376
Speaker 2: They've been winning like really gritty games. Well was it

1444
01:06:20,496 --> 01:06:23,536
Speaker 2: sixteen fourteen or something? This last week Mac Jones Jones

1445
01:06:23,536 --> 01:06:25,576
Speaker 2: puts on a knee brace. I know they say he

1446
01:06:25,696 --> 01:06:26,456
Speaker 2: hurt his knee again.

1447
01:06:26,536 --> 01:06:29,896
Speaker 1: They still won. Packers of Cowboys. Everybody's always gonna care

1448
01:06:29,896 --> 01:06:30,736
Speaker 1: about the cowboys.

1449
01:06:31,016 --> 01:06:36,696
Speaker 2: They are and obviously the Parsons effect if they're gonna

1450
01:06:36,736 --> 01:06:38,776
Speaker 2: either care about the cowboys because they like the cowboys

1451
01:06:38,856 --> 01:06:41,416
Speaker 2: or they absolutely hate the cowboys and can't wait to

1452
01:06:41,496 --> 01:06:43,976
Speaker 2: see if Green Bay can stomp stomp on.

1453
01:06:44,016 --> 01:06:46,816
Speaker 1: The jets of Dolphins and Bengals to Broncos on Monday night.

1454
01:06:47,616 --> 01:06:50,856
Speaker 1: That's it. Thank you, everybody. Thanks Sean Marramer for dropping

1455
01:06:50,896 --> 01:06:52,296
Speaker 1: by and spending about a half hour with us.

1456
01:06:52,456 --> 01:06:53,616
Speaker 2: Ready to get in the cage with you know.

1457
01:06:54,016 --> 01:06:58,456
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pass on that. Yeah, I'm gonna pass keep pounding.

1458
01:06:58,536 --> 01:06:59,936
Speaker 1: I always say that, you know what I mean?

1459
01:06:59,976 --> 01:07:00,816
Speaker 2: You got my jersey on.

1460
01:07:01,376 --> 01:07:04,296
Speaker 1: That's Matt Castle, That's kick Off Kevin, That's Brandon Ray.

1461
01:07:04,296 --> 01:07:06,176
Speaker 1: I'm Bobby Gones. We've had to say. We'll see you

1462
01:07:06,176 --> 01:07:07,056
Speaker 1: guys next week.

1463
01:07:07,096 --> 01:07:07,376
Speaker 2: Goodbye.

1464
01:07:07,376 --> 01:07:15,576
Speaker 1: Everybody lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle.

1465
01:07:15,736 --> 01:07:19,136
Speaker 1: Is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts. For

1466
01:07:19,256 --> 01:07:23,296
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