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Speaker 1: George Rice Stir and this is the pac twelve Apostles.

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Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do is, as you can see

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Speaker 1: It's been about three weeks since our last episode and

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Speaker 1: an excellent student getting in grad school at the school

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Speaker 1: you're already at, I mean, I mean am and my

429
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: tripping Ralph, that it should be an ad bit easier,

430
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: just a just a smidgeen. I just want to know

431
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: why there's not somebody on staff from your freshman year

432
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: who is making sure that you're on track so that

433
00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: it's not even an issue. Bingo bingo bingo. That to

434
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: where if you hit all these benchmarks you're getting in

435
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: grad school, like if if if you have a three

436
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: six and you take these classes in this major, you're

437
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: in this grad school if you if you want to go.

438
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: That's first thing. Second thing is Stanford has a housing issue.

439
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: So Stanford's players have to move three times per year,

440
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: three times per year because housing is not granted. Well sorry,

441
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: housing is granted for them that the exact same way

442
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: it is for the regular students because there is no difference.

443
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: So they have to move, so they live somewhere during camp,

444
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: during before school starts training camp all that they live somewhere.

445
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: Then they move out and move into their their quote

446
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: unquote school year housing. They're like permanent housing, lived there

447
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: for the whole school year, and then they have to

448
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 1: move out and move into a different place when they

449
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: get assigned their summer housing. Like it doesn't like, why

450
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: are you putting all this stress on people that are

451
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: making money for the university because you want to keep

452
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: everybody equal, And then the dorms are jan kie anyway,

453
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: Like you would think that Stanford would have a better

454
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: set up. Nope, nope, it is not anything like you

455
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: see at the other universities. And also Stanford's food so um,

456
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: the other universities pretty much all of them in the

457
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: Pac twelve and then across the country. They like to

458
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: feed not only their football players, but they're athletes high

459
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: quality meals that are going to help them perform better.

460
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: So Stanford started doing that with their athletes. People got mad, complained,

461
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: So then they opened that up to the other students,

462
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: but then it became a lost issue and then they

463
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: lowered the quality of the food. So and we already

464
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: know who like David Shaw is. He had been a

465
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: good coach, but his relationship with the players from what

466
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: I've heard that aren't in the top ten or fifteen

467
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,959
Speaker 1: in terms of of ranking on the team is not

468
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: very good. And all the stuff in the media where

469
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: he says, oh, I don't care about what people think,

470
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: but then he talks to the team about what the

471
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: media is saying that what he doesn't care about. So

472
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: this is why Stanford is done if if you so,

473
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: this is why Stanford is having having trouble recruiting too,

474
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: because they're getting a lot of negative recruiting on them

475
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: because they're saying, you want to go there and live

476
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: like that you want to be but by holding to

477
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: hopefully the coach likes you enough to give you a scholarship,

478
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: like you know, it's not just based on your talent

479
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: in your grades and all that. No, like you like

480
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: you have to kiss the ring. Dude, mhm, it's gonna

481
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: take another coach to go in there and change things

482
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: because and then that's before you even get into the

483
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: offensive struggles, which is running pump football less Miles tried

484
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: to do it at l s U. It's broken, it's done.

485
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: It's Alabama can't even do it anymore. They're throwing throwing

486
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: the ball forty times again. They can't do it because

487
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: football has changed. You can't win like that anymore. Utah

488
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: tried to do it last year, played or got the

489
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: damn doors blown off. It is a different day and

490
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: in Stanford, NIE's new leadership. But the question is how

491
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: do you find I mean, granted, there's a lot of

492
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: people who are gonna take a five million dollar a

493
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: year job, but how do you get somebody to come

494
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: in who's a good quality coach if he's not allowed

495
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: to make changes in these necessary areas. Bro, That's a

496
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: good question. Um. I'm concerned right now about their recruiting

497
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: um in a year where everyone's trying to get things

498
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: locked down early and the rules were always sort of

499
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: bending against Stanford anyway. Uh, you have everyone trying to

500
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: commit as early as they can and Stanford is still

501
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: waiting to see if people can even get qualified. They

502
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: only have eleven commits right now, eleven and compared to

503
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: most teams, and Stanford I think would fashion itself a

504
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: top thirty that they belong in the top twenty five

505
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: year over year. I think that's the expectation for the

506
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: football team and they should be in the top thirty

507
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: as far as recruiting year over year, and they've had

508
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: some very good years recruiting recently. Um, but they don't

509
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: have a single four star committed, not one that's yes,

510
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: that's horrendous. The only school that has less comm it's

511
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: than them in the PAC twelve is Oregon State with

512
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: with eight. But that's kind of to be expected. Like they'll,

513
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: like Oregan State tries to get in the they're going

514
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: to be in the j C market heavy, and they're

515
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: also going to try to pick off guys that are

516
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: going to like Southern myths that are going to you know,

517
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: got guys that they say, Okay, this guy was under

518
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: evaluated or or something, and then we can develop him.

519
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: But but you you talked about the fact that they're

520
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: down on scholarship, like they need twenty five players there,

521
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: don't take every year for the next three years, right,

522
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: and they don't really take grad transfers right. So here,

523
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: here's something that's gonna blow your mind, George. Not only

524
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: do they only have eleven commits, they only have eighteen

525
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: offers out to uncommitted prospects for the class what eighteen total?

526
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: I can name them right now? This is like a saboteur. Granted,

527
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to get in Stanford, and they're

528
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: on the like they take what Washington does with their offers.

529
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're it's an exclusive offer. It's a very

530
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: exclusive offer. We're not giving them out to a lot

531
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: of people. So if you get one, you know, it

532
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: means something. So and and mind you, it's worked for them,

533
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm mocking it, but it's worked. And

534
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't and and I don't hate it because I

535
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: think that offering kids and they're not committable offers is

536
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: is kind of it's kind of sketchy anyway. But do

537
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: you think that they're gonna go fourteen for the last

538
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: eight team? Obviously they're gonna probably extend some more offers.

539
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: We do only have eighteen offers out to uncommitted prospects,

540
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: and some of those they're not getting. They're not getting, uh,

541
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: Kamar Wheaton, the number seven player in the entire country,

542
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: five star running back out of Garland, Texas. They're probably

543
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: not getting a Mecca at BUCA out of Washington, who

544
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: is number eleven player in the entire country according two rivals.

545
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: Say you're right out of l A who is a

546
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: top one hundred player. He was, Yeah, I mean that

547
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: that might be the best player, but they you know,

548
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: a lot of these uncommitted prospects are in the rivals

549
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: to fifty by my account. Hold on, there's three, four

550
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: or five, six, seven of them. So seven of the

551
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: eighteen offers they have out right now are to the

552
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: top players. No. Ten, ten because they've got one out

553
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: to j T to him allow as well. So ten

554
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: of the eight teen offers that they have out right

555
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: now to uncommitted prospects are too the top two hundred

556
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: players in the country according to rivals. There this recruiting class,

557
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be rough. It's gonna be very rough because

558
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: the odds are stacked against them anyway. Yeah, so you

559
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: lose all those players and then you don't refill of

560
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: them with top players. All right, Dude, this feels like

561
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fishers last year at at Florida State when he

562
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: just meld it in on on recruiting. That's what it

563
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: looks like David Shaw is doing to me, because there

564
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: there there's no way that you're putting this much effort

565
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: into recruiting and you're not getting results at Stanford. I just,

566
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, granted, all the things that I said, but

567
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: they've been like that so and they were able to recruit.

568
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: So now what has changed. Something clearly has changed, and

569
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: I think that it is in that coaching staff and

570
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: people don't want to play ball like that because it's

571
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: hard to play early, because their system is too complicated

572
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: and all of that. It's just another I will say this,

573
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: they've offered three more players total in this class than

574
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: they did last year. They they they have sent out

575
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: sixty four offers to the class. They only sent out

576
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: sixty one last year and two years ago it was

577
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: seventy six. And you know, compare that to a s

578
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: U and Oregon who if you know, they probably got

579
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: a hundred offers out to kids who don't even play

580
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: the sport. You know, all right, who what what are

581
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: the official offer numbers? I'll give you a second to

582
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: pull those up if you don't have them, um, because

583
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: I know, well, obviously Stanford is going to be at

584
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: the bottom of the pack twelve in terms of offers,

585
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: right yeah, um, And then who is the number one?

586
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: It's got to be Arizona State, right yeah. For the

587
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: longest time, Arizona State didn't really do the thing that

588
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: that Um, it felt like it felt like Oregon was

589
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: really the champion of it. And I remember even asking

590
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: David Shaw what he thought about Oregon dropping three fifty

591
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: offers on kids, and he, you know, he'd rolled his

592
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: eyes and he'd say, you know, what's the what is

593
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: the point of that other than branding um. But yeah,

594
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: Arizona State has three hundred and seventeen offers out two

595
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: members of the class. And then let's put that against

596
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: the school that that kind of pioneered, going over three

597
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: offers to a single recruiting class, and that's Oregon. And

598
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: let me see what I can find for them. This

599
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: is while you're finding that. A tweet just came across

600
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: about Dan Mullen at Florida. So yesterday he said, he

601
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: said this yesterday. Yeah, I've been preparing for l s U.

602
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'll be honest if I I think,

603
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: if you look at what we've been able to do,

604
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: because he was talking about the fans in the stands

605
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: and all that, what we've been able to do, the

606
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: safety precautions that we have, Our players have followed, our

607
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: coaches follow our staff follows. You know, I think we're

608
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: the model of safety. And what we've been doing during

609
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: this time period. Oh my gosh, Okay, so Arizona State, uh,

610
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: Oregon and and you and you and you only need

611
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, And I think they currently have Like, um,

612
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna let you guess. Do

613
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: you think Oregon has done more or less than three less?

614
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: How how many less? You are correct? But how how

615
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: much less? Give me a number. I'm gonna go. Is

616
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: Oregon second second most that I know of so far?

617
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the other teams that really

618
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: crank out offers and there's not a ton in the

619
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: pack twelve that go absolutely crazy. Okay, I'm gonna go

620
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: to fort exactly a hundred less. By my account, there

621
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: are a hundred less offers out to kids for University

622
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: of Oregon then there are for Arizona State this day. Well, well,

623
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: Arizona State is trying this national recruiting things. So you

624
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: got to send offers out everywhere and see who's interesting.

625
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: Oh and then that's how you judged to see who

626
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: you should should recruit. You're like, oh, okay, they called back,

627
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: so all right, I guess that's where we should go. Yeah,

628
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: And I do think that there's definitely an element of

629
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: of the a s U is just kind of doing

630
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: the national branding thing and tossing offers that everywhere. They

631
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 1: didn't used to do that. And there was one year

632
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: I think you'll like this, George, where a s U

633
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: out of the blue offered like ten kids in western

634
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and uh, and it was very clear that Todd

635
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: Graham was trying to get on Pitts nerves after all

636
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: the stuff that their fans said about him after he

637
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: bailed um after one season out there to come to

638
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: a s U. And it was like the class often

639
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: so it would have been one year after he got

640
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: to Arizona State, all of a sudden they just hit

641
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: western Pennsylvania with a bunch of offers, and I remember

642
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,959
Speaker 1: thinking it was so funny because pitt fans just went

643
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: they went nuts because none of those kids were gonna

644
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: go to a s U. A SU didn't have a

645
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: serious interest in really heavily pursuing anyone, but just to

646
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: see Todd Graham in Arizona State's name all over western

647
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania over the course of a week, it was very funny. See,

648
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't mind stuff like that. Actually, Like when when

649
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: schools are willing to like, you know, you know what,

650
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: we don't care, kind of like when Oregon put the

651
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: um the billboards down here in l A. When when

652
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: I was in school, we had billboards for Oregon in

653
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: l A. And I thought that that was like the

654
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: the dopest thing ever. UM. So, I guess we can

655
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: finished covering the recruiting now because there has been some

656
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: um So, speaking of Stanford, Stanford had to commit a

657
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver commit, right, Joshua Moore? Yeah, yeah, flipped to

658
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: USC from Stanford. That's pretty rare for that to happen.

659
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Usually when somebody locks in with Stanford, UM, they're in

660
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: it for the long haul. Uh, if there's unless there's

661
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: some type of academic issue. I remember a few years

662
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: ago there was a running back that Stanford lost on

663
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: like right before signing day who ended up signing with Colorado.

664
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: I think he's like Bo Bisharade. I think he's Colorado's

665
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: backup running back. Um. That was somebody Stanford was really

666
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: excited about, and they had to you know, I think

667
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: some type of academic issue. They had to let him

668
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: go at the last second. And so you don't typically

669
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: see a kid flip who was committed. You know, usually

670
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: they like d commit, then a week goes by, then

671
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: they commit. This is just a straight flip from Stanford

672
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: to to USC. I thought that was kind of interesting. Yeah,

673
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: that was a big deal. Um. And we've also had

674
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: a few commits from the pack twelve over the last

675
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: few few weeks. UM Oregon picked up a commit Jeffrey Bossas,

676
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: an athlete from Utah. UM USC picked up UM a

677
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: couple of commits. They picked up Michael Trigg, a four

678
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: star tight end out of Florida. Who I mean, I guess,

679
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure if you're a tight end.

680
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, granted he's trying to play like the kid

681
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: out of Florida. Um, they're they're tight end because USC

682
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: does not use their tight end at all. Um. They

683
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: got to commit from office of guard from Texas type

684
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: Buchanan and the kid Josh More, the three star safety

685
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: out of Georgia. So USC is doing at as well. UM,

686
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: are you surprised that three of the three of the

687
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: top twenty and four of the top thirty schools as

688
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: far as the current recruiting rankings are packed twelve schools,

689
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: including two of the top four rivals, has Oregon at

690
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: three and USC at four, right now, a s U

691
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: at nineteen and Cal at twenty nine. Yeah, and then

692
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: in the seven rankings it has them Oregon three, USC

693
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: six and Arizona State eighteen, CAL nineteen, and then Washington

694
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: twenty six. This is the type of recruiting Granted, recruits

695
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: don't just win games, as you do have to coach

696
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: and develop, but it's easier to win when you can

697
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: have a guy play as a freshman and contribute a

698
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: little bit, be a starter as a sophomore, be fully ready,

699
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: and be an NFL prospect as a junior. Like, that's

700
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: really what you want. And this is what the PAC

701
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: twelve needs to elevate itself back to you know what

702
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: what it was, and to a sin to higher heights

703
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: to make yourself wanted amongst the TV partners. Yeah. Talent

704
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: his destiny, right yep. But the probably the most interesting

705
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: thing to me is this is with the massive bleed

706
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: of Californians and Arizona's leaving the PAC twelve conference um completely,

707
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: you still have two teams in the top four on rivals,

708
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: two in the top six on and then you've got

709
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: some respectable showings from everybody else. I don't think Washington's

710
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: where they want to be. And I know that Utah

711
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: and Stanford are certainly under performing right now. Um, but

712
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: that's very encouraging to me. Even University of Arizona on

713
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: rivals is number forty three, and part of the reason

714
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: is because they completely filled the class already. UM. And

715
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: you'll see, I think you'll see a lot of movement

716
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: because all these kids are committed without any senior film whatsoever.

717
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: I had somebody who covers Ohio State for rivals reach

718
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: out to me this morning and and you know, there

719
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: was a player out of New York who put a

720
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: s U in his top five and he said, you know,

721
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: do you think a s U has a shot at

722
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: this kid? And I said, you know, it's possible with

723
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: their national approach. And he said, well, how many spots

724
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: do they have left? And I said, they usually like

725
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: to leave two or three open for grad transfers. So

726
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: my guess is one more. But a s U certainly

727
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: not above jettison players that are currently committed. They've done

728
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: it quite a bit since Herm Edwards took over. Um.

729
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: You know, they bounced a six ft ten offensive lineman

730
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: who ended up at UCF and they did it with

731
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: a with a few other players last year. They'll they'll

732
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: certainly do it again. So I would not look at

733
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: anybody they do that. See see, I am not on

734
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: board with that at all. Due I think that that's

735
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: whack that if you um that if you take a

736
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: commitment from a kid and he shuts down his recruiting,

737
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: Like if you take a commitment and then just because

738
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: you get a player that you feel is better or

739
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: higher priority, just to kick him to the curb, I'm

740
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: not with that. I think that that is low brow.

741
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean, granted, I know that you want the best

742
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: possible options, but like, well, and it's different if you

743
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: do it last minute versus if you take a commitment

744
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: from a kid, you know, like a year ago, and

745
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: then he doesn't develop the way that you thought he would. First,

746
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: first of all, you shouldn't have taken the commitment. Second

747
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: of all, I just don't think that like not giving

748
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: a kid advanced notice, like months of notice. Yeah, it's good,

749
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm so, I'm with you. There was a kid last year,

750
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: his name is Frank Thompson, and he played offensive line

751
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: and he was he was an interior. Your alignment he's

752
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: probably six three to eighty. He had a good camp

753
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: showing and Arizona State offered him. Dave christians And offered him,

754
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: And I think the entire um, the entire a s

755
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: U recruiting setup is such that they have Al lugan Bill,

756
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: former San Diego State head coach here to do UM

757
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: his own evaluating in rankings, but because offensive line sort

758
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: of exists outside of most people's expertise, they gave Dave

759
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Christiansen carte blanche to offer whoever you wanted UM. And

760
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: but the goal for a s U has always been

761
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: to get taller and then develop the players. So the

762
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: fact that Dave christians And offered this six ft three

763
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: kid who's like grandfather played at a s U well

764
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: UM was a surprise to the rest of the recruiting office.

765
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: And that kid committed immediately and he had a decent

766
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: senior season, but a SU was going to drop him,

767
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: and they let everybody know that they were going to

768
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: drop him except the kid. So it put me in

769
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: a re really weird situation UM last year because that

770
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: kid's team made it all the way to the state championship,

771
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: which was being played at Sun Devil stadium and they

772
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: won the state championship, and he was getting interviewed after

773
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: the game saying, how does it feel to win a

774
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: state title on the field that you're going to be

775
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: playing at in college? And they hadn't told them they

776
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: were going to drop him yet, but me and everybody

777
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: else who works in any kind of recruiting capacity, we

778
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: all knew. So it was pretty sickening to watch this

779
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: kid have to answer all these questions about how he

780
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: felt about playing at Sun Devil Stadium when he's going

781
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: to be a future Sun Devil, only to six days

782
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: later be told that there wasn't a spot for him.

783
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: And you know that, like there's always the stigma of

784
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: does Arizona State care about Arizona players? Why do they

785
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: always go to other places? Well, that certainly didn't help

786
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: their image. So that turned into a huge thing between

787
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: Arizona High school coaches and trainers and a su in general.

788
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: And then so as he was trying to feed information

789
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: out to reporters to make, you know, to save face,

790
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's not their fault. The kid just wasn't

791
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: good enough. If he wanted to stick on, he should

792
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 1: have been better. But I had ends within the recruiting

793
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: office saying that like they kind of rolled their eyes

794
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: at the idea that they ever offered this kid in

795
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: the first place. He ended up Okay, I think he

796
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: ended up at Texas State UM, but that was the

797
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: second year in a row they had done that. They

798
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: did it to another kid who hesitated to sign early

799
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: when there was a transition UM two years ago. I

800
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: guess when they hired her edwards, he wanted to not

801
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: sign early and see what was gonna happen, UM, And

802
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: they dropped him, and he ended up at Washington State,

803
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: and then his brother followed and now he is uh.

804
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: You know, they could have used him last year because

805
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: the the offensive line was in pretty rough shape and

806
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: he was on the two deep at every position UM

807
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: for Washington State. So this that that type of stuff

808
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: does bother me. But what bothers me more is what

809
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: the schools trying to do to say a base in

810
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: the interim, what they leak out to the media and

811
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: all that, and sometimes will make the kid look bad, like, well,

812
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: he didn't do enough, wouldn't they know they shouldn't have

813
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: offered him in the first place, you know. So the

814
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: whole thing is super delicate. That that's a story I'm

815
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: not super fond of, you know. And it's so this

816
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons I really want players to

817
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: get paid. Is a SU, especially since HERM. Edwards took over,

818
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: has shown more than any other school that this is

819
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: a business business. Like a SU came in and they

820
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: straight up cut a kid who had been committed to

821
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: a s U since he was an eighth grader and

822
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: who was still a freshman. They told they basically told him,

823
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: you're never going to be good enough to play for us,

824
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: and you can stay at a s U on scholarship

825
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: as a student, or you can try to go play elsewhere.

826
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: And that kid ended up I think sticking in school. Um,

827
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: but that type of stuff I'm not a huge fan of.

828
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: I really really don't like how business oriented and cut

829
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: throat some of this stuff is without the players getting compensated.

830
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,919
Speaker 1: So that's why I've always I've always advocated for them

831
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: to get paid, knowing that they're already being treated like

832
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: employees anyway and can just get fired immediately or or

833
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: have their their scholarship offer revoked for any reason whatsoever. Um,

834
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: it's a cruel world, so there might as well be

835
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: a paycheck involved, yep, yep. So what do you think

836
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: is ultimately going to happen? So with the top recruits

837
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: in the country, because because the PACTWAL does still have

838
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 1: a chance that some of those guys. You got Corey

839
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: Foreman to him allow uh cr right, um, and a

840
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: few others. And then you got the Jake Garcia's situation

841
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: where he's out in floor well, where he's out in Arizona, Arizona,

842
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: he's out in Georgia trying to play high school football.

843
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: He's suspended, right, How he got screwed? Yes, yes he did,

844
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: royally do and they normally don't do that sort of thing,

845
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: but they didn't want the hot shot kid coming out there,

846
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: hot shot California kid coming out there. So what do

847
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: you what do you think ultimately happens with I guess

848
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: that the two biggest names foremen and two of them

849
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: um allow where you have to him allowed considering basically

850
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Washington. Who whoere is top seven? Ohio State, Washington, Oregon, Michigan. Um, Yeah,

851
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: I think Oklahoma might be on there or something like that. Yeah,

852
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: I would, I'd put j T to m allow right now?

853
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: Is um to stick in the conference what I would

854
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: like is just for Oregon to tell him you can

855
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: play basketball, or Washington to tell him you can play basketball.

856
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: Washington has already lied to high profile recruits about being

857
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: able to play multiple sports in the past. So well,

858
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: they offered him in basketball, they offered him at basketball,

859
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: but they also told Byron Murphy that he could come

860
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: out and play basketball, and then the second that he

861
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: got yeah, I know. So so I mean, if they're

862
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: serious about it like they got, they actually have to

863
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: be serious about it. UM. I do think that USC

864
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: is planning to lose Jake Garcia because they just offered

865
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: a third quarterback in the class. They offered Jackson Dark

866
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: having a monster year out of Draper, Utah, so they're

867
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: hoping he can be their next Lovis. Yeah, And so

868
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 1: I think that they're planning on losing Jake Garcia because

869
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: Jake Garcia up to this point has had no plans

870
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: to break his commitment, but he's also hearing from other

871
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: coaches and talking to those other coaches. You know. I

872
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: don't think USC is a big fan of, you know,

873
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: of that whole process, and so I think that they

874
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: want to at least take two um in this cycle

875
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: and We'll see how that goes. But I think j

876
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: T to him allowed. I put him at fifty fifty,

877
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: and I put Corey form and at as well, especially

878
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: if um what what is not helpful for the Pac

879
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: twelve teams right now is that they're the only ones

880
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: not in the field because if doesn't Georgia have Alabama

881
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: this week. Yes, so if Georgia beats Alabama, that could

882
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: influence Corey Foreman's decision. I think I think that it

883
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: gives Georgia a lot of juice um and you know,

884
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: and give Georgia a claim of you know, they already

885
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: are killing it and recruiting, just absolutely killing it. And

886
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: and so I think that that that would be a

887
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a leg up for them. USC just

888
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: needs to get back on the field so that they

889
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: can have some type of relevance. It would really help

890
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: them to get back on the field and be a

891
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: s U in that season opener at nine am. And

892
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: if they can do that, then they might get his attention. Well,

893
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: there goes our next topic is nine am better than

894
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: eight pm? Because okay, so the conference we already know

895
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: first game of the Pack twelve schedule is going to

896
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: be a nine am game USC versus a s U.

897
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: There's already part of Part of that is because there's

898
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: the big noon game on Fox, which starts at nine

899
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: pm Pacific, And granted it's eleven pm Central, so it's

900
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: not quite as early four teams in the Central UH

901
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 1: in the Central time zone, but nine am that means

902
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: you're up at five thirty because, especially now because of

903
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: the COVID testing that has to happen, like you're getting

904
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: tested at five in the morning. Yes, like some schools

905
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: start early workouts and everything, but that's a big deal

906
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: for the players. But here's my biggest problem with it.

907
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: I granted, I know it makes sense for this year

908
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: and the eight pm games, which the coaches have been

909
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: they've smartly made comments about it, saying that the eight

910
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: pm games have such a short shelf life because of

911
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: the NFL. As soon as you wake up the NFL

912
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: l is on Sunday morning. The NFL is smacking you

913
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: in the face, so you don't have time to really

914
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: build up and look at what happened because people on

915
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: the East Coast are already sleep. It's eleven o'clock when

916
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: when games kick off, sometimes or in the first quarter

917
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock when the game kicked off at seven

918
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: thirty or fift. And so it creates a natural problem

919
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: on your coast because even if something great happens, people

920
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: aren't up to see it, and then the next morning

921
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: they're worried about football. So it's a short shelf life.

922
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: The other problem is is that the Pack twelve has

923
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: taken such terrible time slots with Thursday night games, Friday

924
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: night games, um, these eight pm games that now saying okay, cool,

925
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: we'll play at nine o'clock in the morning, there's no

926
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: going back from that. So if the networks know that

927
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: this is what you'll do, they will just they will say,

928
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: all right, well, look the pact twelven networks clearly aren't working.

929
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: They're broken, they're not making money. So if you want so,

930
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: we want to keep our other partners happy, give them

931
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: the premium time slots. Give you a few every now

932
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: and then. With threw some bones, but we're gonna make sure.

933
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: But then we need you to take these nine am games,

934
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: the eight pm games and slote you in places where

935
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: other people don't really want to be. There's gonna be

936
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: no walking it back from there. I just don't I don't.

937
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't like this debate at all. It's you know

938
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: what tastes better, pooper p That's what we're talking about

939
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: right now. This this whole thing is ridiculous to me.

940
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Like the priority of this conference should always have been

941
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: to cater to the markets that exist within the conference,

942
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: to build up a culture of support for football that

943
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: would then result in a national interest. It's it's an

944
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: inside out approach. For my church people. What I'm saying

945
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: is wearing a Christian T shirt doesn't make you a Christian,

946
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like the and the the

947
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: conference is looking for the best way to get somebody

948
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: in Dayton, Ohio, or Jacksonville, Florida, or Schenectady to watch

949
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: games that they don't really care all that much about. Also,

950
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: they can approach a network and say this, many people

951
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: watched our product. What is that worth to you and

952
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: to your advertisers. That's the way of the world. And

953
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: I understand that. But you don't build up the culture

954
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: that would make the product good from its foundation by

955
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: an conveniencing the people who would attend the games and

956
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: support the teams. You don't do that by putting the

957
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: games on Friday, so that local recruits don't have the

958
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: ability to go on official visits to the school, so

959
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: that when they're filling up their five official visits in

960
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 1: dates that make sense to them, they have to look

961
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: outside the conference. That's ridiculous. You don't put games at

962
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: nine in the morning so that you have a hard

963
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: time staffing ticket takers and uh people who serve concessions

964
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: and everything like that. You don't do that. You don't

965
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: make it more inconvenient for people who want to tailgate.

966
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: You don't make it. And so that's another thing of

967
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: just like covering a s U and they're they've always

968
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: been very very sensitive about this. They put about four

969
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars into upgrading a stadium over a period

970
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: of four years, and I repeatedly said, like, what you

971
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: should be doing is putting more money into the experience

972
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: of getting people out there so they can tailgate and

973
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: make it an all day event. But instead, at the

974
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: expense of the tailgators, they're selling more expensive seats to

975
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: a stadium that has three quarters the number of seats

976
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: that it used to have. It doesn't also that you

977
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: can kick the game off at eight p m. So

978
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: that anybody like me if I wasn't covering it. Can't

979
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: bring my own kids to a game because their bedtime

980
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: is nine thirty and they have to get up for

981
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: church in the morning. So you expect me to be

982
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: out of the house with everybody at nine am to

983
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: compete against the soccer games that they might have in

984
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: the only nice weather that Arizona typically gets in October

985
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: and November. You want me to not have my Saturday

986
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: morning early morning family time. How about you just believe

987
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: in your damn product. You schedule games against other conferences,

988
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: but allow for the most positive potential in person experience. Ralph,

989
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: you you have just like what you said makes sense

990
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: in theory, but an application, you can't put it up

991
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: against other things if there's nowhere to put it like

992
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: that's the problem, Like there's nowhere for the games to go.

993
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: So you accept playing second fiddle, and then you become

994
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: second fiddle period. And so so what we're saying is,

995
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just I'm just asking what network with the

996
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: Pack twelve play on up against the Big ten or

997
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: the SEC or the Big twelve. What network because the

998
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: Big ten is owned halfway by well I believe is

999
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: owned by it's it's either forty nine or fifty one,

1000
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: and then and then the other one is reversed for

1001
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: ESPN and the SEC. Yeah, so yeah, you know what

1002
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say next. It's the same thing that you

1003
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: always say that, like, you have to make your games accessible.

1004
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: If I was the Pack twelve, I would have gone

1005
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: to Yahoo ten years ago and said, we see what

1006
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to build. And you know, I regularly watch

1007
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: NFL and NBA games on my Yahoo Sports app because

1008
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: I've always got my phone in my hand, but I'm

1009
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: not always near a television, right, So I would have

1010
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: gone to Yahoo tend freaking years ago and said, hey,

1011
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: we'll give you an absolutely ridiculous deal that hurts us

1012
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: financially in the beginning to make sure that the people

1013
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,439
Speaker 1: who were walking around with their phone in their hand

1014
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: can watch these games. It doesn't matter if they're on ESPN.

1015
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: And then I was said, hey, yeah, who put money

1016
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: into being able to broadcast yourself. I would have done

1017
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: everything I could to make sure that the games were

1018
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: as accessible as possible. I would have been like Costco

1019
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: out there, given out free saying bulls so that you

1020
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: have no choice but to think of those free samples,

1021
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: come back and shop in this store and then get

1022
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: caught up and buy all the other stuff you see

1023
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: on the shelves on your way to get those free samples.

1024
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: They did not prioritize the people within the region that

1025
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: they say that they're proud of. They want a bunch

1026
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: of people. They want a bunch of televisions that were

1027
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: left on in hospital waiting rooms to count against the

1028
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: stats that they sell two networks, even though they're just

1029
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: playing overnight to empty hospital waiting rooms in freaking North Carolina.

1030
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: That's what they want. That's a stupid strategy. It has

1031
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: always been a stupid strategy, and now the Pact twelve

1032
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: is paying the price for it having to say, oh, well,

1033
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 1: wouldn't we rather have nine AM than eight pmlar? Would

1034
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: you rather be stabbed or shot? Dude? This conference is

1035
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: so damn stupid. Man. I cannot believe we dedicated the

1036
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: last year of our lives to do in a podcast

1037
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: over a conference that has it doesn't even have its

1038
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: own best interest in mind. It drives me absolutely nuts.

1039
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: How hard? Why are you making yourself so hard to love?

1040
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Regional just can't got got taken off of

1041
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: um Fox sports regional programming just got taken off of

1042
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: YouTube TV, and now it's about to drop off Hulu.

1043
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: Where am I gonna get. Yeah, they're gonna lose Hulu

1044
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: as well. I guarantee you inside source they're gonna lose Hulu.

1045
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? Like, so I have to

1046
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: have Sling for my Pack twelve games if I'm a

1047
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: cord cutter, and then what am I gonna do for

1048
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: all of the rest of the stuff that I want

1049
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: to do as far as just regional sports cover It's

1050
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: a giant mess and the and the Pack twelve has

1051
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: just made itself a part of the mess. And then

1052
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: they've told you, Hey, you don't even know what technologies

1053
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: are gonna be out two years from now, maybe we'll

1054
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: be on that. Shut up, just shut up, like, don't

1055
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: do not sell me on potential. That's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah,

1056
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: there there there will be some magic technology out. You

1057
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: guys just don't know about it, and we don't know

1058
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: about it either. But I swear to God, if I

1059
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 1: go to a nine if if if I'm a fan

1060
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: that goes to a nine am game and it's before

1061
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: I can get a couple of drinks in me and

1062
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: I watched my team gets smoked at nine am, and

1063
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: then I have eleven hours to think about my team

1064
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: getting smoked at nine am. At least at least you

1065
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: get to black out in the third quarter of a

1066
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Speaker 1: game that you're getting worked by thirty You kicked off

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Speaker 1: at eight thirty pm. Uh no do I Okay, so

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Speaker 1: I would I would rather be stabbed than shot, apparently,

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01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: so I'll take the not am games. But I appreciate

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01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: your your your passion. It's funny because I'm usually to

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01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,919
Speaker 1: person turning over the tables on this podcast. So it's fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy to know that you have this sort

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01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: of passion and dedication. Ralph, just that consistent. Like the

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01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: the the PAC twelve hates the nuclear family. That's my theory.

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01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: They hate Pack twelve. The Pack twelve is is what

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01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: like Republicans believe Liberals are. They hate family, they hate

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01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: your religion, they hate everything about your routine. They believe

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01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: that you'll just be there at their back and call,

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01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: and they're ignoring the fact that the stadiums get ten

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01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: percent more empty every single year because of your lack

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01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: of prioritization of football, because your lack of respect for

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01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: the time that people have during the day. They just

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: want a pack twelve can camera to show a game

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: to nobody with nobody in the crowd. This whole thing

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01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: is absolute madness. And now I'm gonna have to explain

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01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: to my wife that, hey, at least I know that

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01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: we could have gone to home depot at at nine

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01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: am because the games kickoff at eight thirty at night.

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01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: And I have my excuse for being too tired for

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01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: church on a on a Sunday morning. But now we're

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01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: gonna miss that home depot trip too because there it's

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01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: not George. It's not like they're not gonna have the

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01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: a p m kickoff. They're gonna go from nine am

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01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: all the way to eight p m. You and I

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01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: who do this podcast, like, I know that you like

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: a full day of football and I do too, but

1097
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna be on our spouse as shit list because

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01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: of Larry Scott. Yeah. See, Okay, I'm in a unique

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: situation right now. So here's what my saturdays are. Like,

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01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: I sent you a picture of this. So my so

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01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: we have an Amazon station and where we deliver packages

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01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: our family does for yes, and um, so my wife

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01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: is up at the station on Saturdays. Right, So I'm

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01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: at home with the kids all day on Saturday. And

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01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: mind you, we have a near one and a half

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01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: year old, So I bring his stuff into my office

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01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: slash studio slash game room area, right, multiple TVs, and

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01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: I set him up in there and he watches ball

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01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: and the other kids watch ball with me all weekend.

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01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:41,799
Speaker 1: And so that's my Saturday. And even if the Pack twelve,

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01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: actually that's gonna throw me for a wrench because all

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01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: these games are over with it like thirty right right now,

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: that's when wife gets home. So then I actually give

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01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: her time and attention. Then if they're packed twelve game

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: games on then and U. C. L A Is not

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01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: playing what she's gonna want to see, I'm gonna then

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01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: have to choose between the pac twelve game. Um, as

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01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: you can see, I'm talking through this in time when

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01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: my wife, who has been gone all day, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what I would choose. I would definitely choose your

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01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: wife over Washington State Colorado at Pacific. Yeah, okay, so

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01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: what do you think about the first Pack twelve game

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01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: though of the year? You got USC versus Arizona State.

1124
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: It's the kickoff game for the Back twelve and it's

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01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: probably going to decide the Pack twelve South Like, this

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01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: is the game because there's no margin for aera, there's

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01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: no margin for loose. Yeah, I would say that the schedule.

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Speaker 1: Fox tweeted out how many games is Oregon gonna win?

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01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: And the schedule with six games looks so sad. It

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01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: looks pretty pathetic with just six games. I mean like,

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01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: I know that they're going to get a seventh, but

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01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: it just it just doesn't look good. Dude, Like I

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: will say this. I was like, Okay, that'll be a

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: good game. Um, and then I heard Clay Hilton. You're

1135
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: gonna get a kick out of this. I heard Clay

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01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: Hilton tell Yogi Roth that the reason that people should

1137
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: be excited about that game is that the two best

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01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the nation are going head to head, and well,

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01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: out of my chair, yeah, I was like, Trevor Lawrence exists, No,

1140
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: I will find it for you, I swear on my life.

1141
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: He said, the two best quarter arguably the two best

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01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the nation, going head to head at nine

1143
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: am Pack twelve kickoff weekend, and I was like, I

1144
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: was just immediately I was like well, Trevor Lawrence is

1145
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: a thing, and Sam how exists, and let's just let's

1146
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: just calm down on this. I mean, hold hold up,

1147
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, So you can make a debate for

1148
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: for Sam Howell and Keaton Slovis because of what he did, right,

1149
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: Jaden Jane daniels Is has a lot of potential, Like

1150
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: people think he's gonna be a really that he is

1151
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. They think he's got potential to be

1152
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: an elite college quarterback. Right. Then there is your boy,

1153
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: the the kid out in uh Ohio State justin fields, right,

1154
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: so I mean, and then there's the kid out at

1155
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: North Dakota State who who is So I would I

1156
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: would say that there is an argument right for Keaton

1157
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: Slovis and a couple and like Sam Howell. Okay, cool,

1158
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: and but then there is really for their class maybe

1159
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: but not in all of college football, correct, But there

1160
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,799
Speaker 1: is Trevor Lawrence, and then there's everybody else, Like there's

1161
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: like there's no arguably best order back in the nation. Yeah,

1162
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: there there's no debate, there's no arguably it's him. Everybody

1163
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: has said this since he was a freshman. It's not

1164
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: even close. It made me uncomfortable, but it did hype

1165
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: me up because I'm I'm gonna, I'm gonna cling to

1166
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: it and I'm just gonna I'm gonna hype it up

1167
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: on my end the whole time, Like, hey, everybody, it's

1168
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: the two best quarterbacks in the country, dude. I was

1169
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: on the USC message board yesterday and they were talking

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01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: about what Clay Hilton said after practice. They said he said, oh,

1171
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: it was a great practice, blah blah blah, And they

1172
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: were like, would he say anything other than it was

1173
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: a really good practice, right? Yeah, you never. It's really

1174
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 1: hard to take coaches seriously. When I remember earlier this week,

1175
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: I was listening to Adam Gaze talk about how it

1176
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense that they're owing five because off, if

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01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: you saw the way they practiced. I was like, come on,

1178
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: you're a terrible boat. That's why your team is garbage.

1179
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: And you've gotten to be a head coach in the

1180
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: NFL for five years because you took credit for that

1181
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: shark DNA that Peyton Manning shoved into his neck. Come

1182
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: on now, like this is this whole thing is ridiculous,

1183
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: Like Sam Donald, should we Well you and I know

1184
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: what Sam Donald's capable of that is not Sam Donald's fault.

1185
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 1: What's happening. I put that squarely in in Adam Gaze's lap.

1186
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: But I just coaches will say platitudes and stuff like that,

1187
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 1: but every once in a while they'll take it way

1188
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: too far, and I feel like, I mean, I don't

1189
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: even have Jaden Daniels. Based on the staff and the

1190
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: scheme and what they're gonna do this year, I think

1191
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: the argument is, are these the two best quarterbacks in

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01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: the pack twelve. I think that's a legitimate argument that

1193
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: you could have. You have to and he's he's a returner, right,

1194
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: and I you know how much I've hyped up shuck.

1195
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: And then you know, Dave this Mills was the number

1196
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: one overall recruit in the entire country and he's got

1197
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: a heck of an arm and so but that that,

1198
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: and then you know Pro Football Focus, you know, says

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01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 1: that we should all be bowing before grantonell So uh.

1200
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: But the idea that they're the top two quarterbacks in

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01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: the country, I just I needed. I needed something like

1202
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,640
Speaker 1: that from Clay Hilton. I just needed some absolute ridiculousness.

1203
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: Headed into the season, I was I was like, Okay,

1204
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: that'll be a good game. And then after after Clay

1205
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: Helton put the unnecessary hight behind it, I was like, oh,

1206
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: hell yeah, let's do this dude. Uh. And that's why

1207
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: they call him Gomer. That's why they call him Gomer. Uh. Anyways,

1208
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: like when when people can't trust what you say, it

1209
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: creates a problem. Um. Now, though, let's let's get to

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01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: our reviews because I think that this is where we'll

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01:15:55,560 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: break to the next podcast. Okay, so yeah, so you guys,

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01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: of course leave five star reviews for the podcast. Ralph

1213
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: will tell you two leave whatever you feel like the

1214
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: podcast is worth. We will try to live up to

1215
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,959
Speaker 1: your expectations. And I'm like, hell, notice the five star podcast.

1216
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: Leave five stars and leave a rating, not just leave

1217
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 1: a rating, but actually like type out some sentences I

1218
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: feel like, but I do. I will tell you that

1219
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: like some of the four star reviews that we've gotten

1220
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: where people leave a criticism and then they bump it

1221
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: up to five the next week, those have been fun. Yeah,

1222
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Uh. So here we go.

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01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: Uh it's from Duck's Win. Uh. It says good stuff.

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01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: Enjoyed today's pod. My wife got to listen to it.

1225
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: On our drive home from Sun River. She said, you

1226
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 1: got Kyle Whittingham all wrong. He is fired up and

1227
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: Utah folks love him. He would totally say those things,

1228
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: and his would support him despite his religion. So what

1229
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: that's in reference to is that anonymous quote that was

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01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: given to uh. Was it was it? Um Feldman? Yes,

1231
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: anonymous quote that was given to Felman. We were speculating

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01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: on whether or not Kyle Whittingham would have used profanity

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01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: and whether it could be him Um and uh it

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01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 1: goes on to say Mario Cristobal is way too positive

1235
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: a guy and too short of a tenure to pop

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01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: off like that. The David Show accusation is the one

1237
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: that is interesting. I haven't seen it, but he did

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01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: intern under Harbors, so he's saying that like Harbaugh could

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01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: have influenced the way that he spoke to Feldman. We've

1240
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: pretty much established that Feldman has enough of an end

1241
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,480
Speaker 1: with all of these coaches that would be totally plausible

1242
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: for any of them to, uh to just go half

1243
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: cocked and informal and blast the conference. And so but

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01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: I do think that you know, my my reasoning that

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01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Winningham's just overall demeanor wouldn't allow for him to

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01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: do something like that. Being challenged by dux Win's wife

1247
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: is an interesting thing to me. Maybe maybe she knows him,

1248
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: maybe she's got some insider information. Yeah she may and

1249
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, so I think that that was a good review?

1250
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: Is that the only one that is the only one

1251
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: on iTunes? I've never actually checked to see if people

1252
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:22,759
Speaker 1: leave reviews anywhere else, um, like on Spotify or anything

1253
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know if you've ever ever knows well,

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01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: I have never checked. Um. We we iPhone people. We

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01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: we tend to only believe that people have iPhones. We

1256
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: live in our own silo of of of of elitism, like, yes,

1257
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: these are the only places that that reviews matter, and

1258
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: in reality that if Spotify wants to give us a

1259
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: hundred million bucks, I will I will drop my iPhone

1260
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: in the in the toilet and never use it again.

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01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: Yeah even better, I'll let me I'll let my kids

1262
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: play with it. That's sure fire way for anything to

1263
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: to share her I am. I'm pulling up Spotify real

1264
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: quick just to see now. I'm curious just to see if, if, um,

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01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: if anybody has ever left a review on there. I

1266
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: think I don't know Spotify people don't seem like the

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01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: review leaving type Oh, is that is that elitism? I

1268
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's elitism. I think I think it's a

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: it's a respect for for the fact that they're just

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01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: down to business. They have the app to listen to

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01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: what they're gonna listen to, and then they don't need

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01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: to go in there and type their They don't treat

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Speaker 1: it like YELP, but we want them to. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever seen ratings on there. I

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Speaker 1: know I've never left one. My whole experience with Spotify

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Speaker 1: is just my wife repeatedly getting her identity stolen by

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Speaker 1: people hacking her Spotify password. Yeah, she's like, she'll get

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Speaker 1: on Spotify and she's like, I did not listen to

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Speaker 1: ten hours of Black Sabbath yesterday, Yes you did, so

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Speaker 1: did you find any I've got I've got I've got

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Speaker 1: our page pulled up right now. Um, it doesn't. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't really look like there's even space. Yeah, like you

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Speaker 1: can click the heart if you like something. Um, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't see let's see se anywhere for reviews. Maybe

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Speaker 1: if I scroll down to the bottom like on iTunes. No,

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Speaker 1: nothing there no, Well, if you have the ability, uh too.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Spotify person and you still want to

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Speaker 1: chat with us, there's always I'm mad at Unafraid show

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Speaker 1: dot com. I guess yep, you guys, we will. Uh

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Speaker 1: we're going to Yeah, So wait a couple of days

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Speaker 1: for the next episode.