1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Ruthie's Table four presented by Sky. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: Music and the arts in general. Without them, I think 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: is a very, very thoughtless, potentially violent, scary world because 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: we learned something about ourselves by watching someone else do something, 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: somebody else acts something out. 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: Peter Saurosgard once described his perfect day as having dinner 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: with his family, playing music with his kids, having a 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 3: dance party, and putting a period on the end of something. 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: This is a beautiful. 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: Vision and one word for word I share Peter and 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: I have become friends for family. Last night his first 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: words were about his daughter Gloria's violin concert. 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: He grows apple trees with Rigor. 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: Keeps bees in his house in Vermont, finds the best 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: places to eat before he travels to a city, makes 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: movies with his wife, Maggie Killanol and brother in lawd Jake. 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: He engages in political opposition and cares about sustainability, climate 18 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 3: and quite simply what is right and what is wrong. 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: Today we're here in the River Cafe to discuss all 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: this and more. At the end we'll put a period 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: on it and continue with the perfect day. 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: That is so lovely. I would love to meet that guy. 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: He is sitting across from me right now is right here. 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: I feel like we should put in some of my 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: bad habits or something. 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: Tell me about well, tell me about the concert, because 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: and I said to you, what we're doing. 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: The first thing you said was at Tchaikovsky. 29 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 2: Tchaikovsky's last piece that he wrote. It's pretty famous. And 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: he died, I believe, three days after it was first played, 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: and he conducted it. And you know the circumstances of 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: his death are very mysterious because some people say he 33 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: died of cholera, some people say committed suicide. He was 34 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: a gay man at a time where it wasn't is well, 35 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: who knows comparing it to today. But it was also 36 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: a difficult time to be gay, and I think he 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: was about to be outed. And anyway, I listened to 38 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: that piece and watching a bunch of kids play it. Yeah, 39 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: it's amazing. Is it's super emotional. I mean, it's like 40 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: somebody who's whether he died by natural causes or by 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: his own hand. The fact that people think he could 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: have died by his own hand, because apparently he was 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: quite upset, says something. Anyway, you watch all of these kids, 44 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: my daughter's thirteen, I think the oldest players maybe a 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: senior in high school, and it was so moving. Yeah, 46 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: and it's like they don't even know, you know. I 47 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: think that's very interesting to me, the idea that people, 48 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: the kids who have not experienced these feelings that he's 49 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: talking about, can access them. It's like we all are 50 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: born with access to every feeling and you just experience 51 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: it or don't at some point in your life. 52 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: And did you cry the hallway through? 53 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: I cried when they were like in a comedy show. 54 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: I'm crying right now talking. I'm a sap. I cried. 55 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Really, Music me too. Music is a big part of 56 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: your life. 57 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, music is kind of like when I'm acting. I 58 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: don't like listen. I'm not an actor who listens to 59 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: music on set before doing a scene. More likely to 60 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: hang out with the people i'm acting with. But I 61 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: definitely have like a soundtrack for different parts of my life, 62 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: for different parts of my day. 63 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: So tell me about what you've been working on. 64 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: I didn't work actually for a year and a half 65 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: because my wife was making The Bride. Her film's coming 66 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: out March sixth, and you know, I'm in I shouldn't. 67 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: I only worked on the Bride any year and a 68 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: half I acted in it. It's funny I keep not 69 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: count I don't count myself as being in it for 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: some reason. But I'm deeply in the movie. But just 71 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: being around this creative person editing, writing, directing. She did 72 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: it all so all in one swing, you know, like 73 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: usually film ideas don't come out like that. This is 74 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: just like she wrote it, she got it made, she's 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: producing it, she's directing it, she's editing it. And that's 76 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: like three years, two and a half years. And so 77 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: during that time I only worked on her film, hung 78 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: out with my kid a lot, and it was a 79 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: great time crew things. But then this last year I 80 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: did a lot of acting. 81 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 4: You know. 82 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: I'm in Neuromancer, the William Gibson novel from the nineteen eighties, 83 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: kind of like the guy who invented cyberpunk. And then 84 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,119 Speaker 2: I made this film in Switzerland we were talking about, 85 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: which is called Erosion, which is so that will probably 86 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: go to festivals. That's kind of like a art house movie. 87 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: Are you having to doing the movie that you're doing now, 88 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: which is do you want to tell us about it? 89 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, it's the Okay, it's the sequel to the 90 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: remake of Roadhouse. So Jake did this movie Roadhouse, which 91 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: was it's not really a remake because it's very much 92 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: its own thing, you know, to the Patrick Swayze Ben 93 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: Gazara movie. So I'm sort of playing the Ben Gazara 94 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: bad guy in this one, and it's been great fun. 95 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: I mean, he's just like the person I'm playing, can 96 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: do absolutely anything that occurs to me at any given moment. 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: I'm definitely a little bit of a bond. 98 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jake, I know how to go on a huge regime. 99 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: For Oh my god. He loves that. He loves doing it. 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: And he said about me, he said, I'll be able 101 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: to have pasta. It's my one night for pasta or something. 102 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: What's it like cooking with Maggie? Because I did a 103 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 3: podcast with Maggie years ago, and both Maggie and Jake 104 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: came from a very different kind of background in their home, 105 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: where at one point Jake said that food was the 106 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 3: only kind of normal thing that was in the family. 107 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they always were really into food. 108 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: They were very, very into food. So do you and 109 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: Maggie when you met her, was that interesting to. 110 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: You that I loved her family's food and I also 111 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: love it felt really loving, you know, those meals with 112 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: her family, like they would have all these really interesting 113 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: people over. I mean they were they were very people 114 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: that were very curious about the world. My family is 115 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 2: not like that. Like I said, we didn't host people. 116 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: We didn't know people. We might have known our neighbors 117 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: a little bit or something like that, but very private, insular. 118 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: And they were so welcoming and like it felt like 119 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: not just their work, which was Hollywood movies and stuff 120 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: like that, but all sorts of interesting people would be 121 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: coming through and lively conversation and everything. So Maggie and 122 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: I don't really do that very often. It's you know, 123 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: we have friends over and stuff like that. But I 124 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: think the challenge is to learn to be a host, 125 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: but also learn to enjoy your own hosting like so 126 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: many people I know that do it, like, oh thank god. 127 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: That's the performance of it again. You have to perform. Yeah, 128 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: all these people can be waiting for you to bring out. 129 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: It's so exhausted. 130 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: Well, we just had some We actually just had Jesse 131 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: Buckley over, you know who's sting and her husband and 132 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: her new baby, and they came over for dinner, just 133 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: them and us and our youngest daughter, and they came 134 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: over early and were like hanging around during the cooking, 135 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: which was so much nicer than having a bunch of 136 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: people come at the time because we all could see 137 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: when it was going to be ready and it was 138 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: several hours from them, and had a few drinks and 139 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: talked about our lives. You know. 140 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: I always say to people, if you're having people to dinner, 141 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: don't lock yourself in the kitchen and then miss the conversation. 142 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 143 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: We have a game in Tuscany when you come one time, 144 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 4: and it's called singing Scrabble, And so what we do 145 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,679 Speaker 4: is we play scrabble, but you put a word down 146 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 4: and you have to then come up with a song 147 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 4: that has the word for ten extra points. 148 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: And it's very fun. 149 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: So if you put the word bees down right now, 150 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: we could say, we could say be my bonnet. We 151 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: could say, oh the buzz and of the bees and 152 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: the checky plums. 153 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: Do you know that's all for our lives? 154 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 3: Yeah? I love that, So it's nice. It's a nice game. 155 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: And then I thought of Saint Louis, because you come 156 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: from Saint Louis. 157 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: I do come from Saint Louis. 158 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: It's a song about Saint Louis. 159 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there are many songs about met me, but 160 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: meet me and Saint Louis. Here's the problem that I 161 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: have is I've never met anyone from Saint Louis who 162 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: says Saint Louis. Yeah, like, no one I would say 163 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: being from Saint Louis. Many of the people there say 164 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: sent Lewis cet. That's the only regionalism. I'm not aware 165 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: as most people learned of my own regionalisms. I think 166 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: I talk without an accent. I mean, I grew up 167 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: in southern Illinois, across the river from Saint Louis. I 168 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: grew up in Saint Louis, a number of different places 169 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: there than Oklahoma City. Yeah, that's how I learned to 170 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 2: spell it. Actually, when I was ok It's how I 171 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: learned how to spell Mississippi, where my dad is from. 172 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: My mother's from Memphis. But I am a cricket letter, 173 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: cricket letter, cricket letter, cricket letter. I humpback, humpback, guy. 174 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: I only spent some summers in Mississippi. But Mississippi is 175 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: a place that you don't really easily forget once you 176 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: visit and like the food there especially, I mean I 177 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: caught I don't know what you guys, I fits the 178 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: same food, but we caught like crowdads. 179 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: We called them cray fish. 180 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so like they're in a little stream where there's 181 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: kind of a little waterfall. There'll be some sometimes underneath 182 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 2: the other side. And we would go and collect those 183 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: and cook them. 184 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: Or do you remember how you cook them. 185 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: We put them in a pot and steam them and 186 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: they cover them with like lots of seasoning, like like hot. 187 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: They turned red and then you take them in a 188 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: plastic bag and you shake up the plastic bag. And 189 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: adults were making them that way, so they figured we'd 190 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: do it like that. But the ones that we caught 191 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: were always just kind of like a joke. They went 192 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: out and bought, you know, the actual ones that we. 193 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Use, very small though small. 194 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: Very small, not much to eat, and mostly about like 195 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: sucking the sauce off the outside of it. And I 196 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: think it's you get covered. You know, you need like 197 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 2: an apron when you're doing it. The other thing we 198 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: would catch down there that was really good actually were catfish. 199 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 2: And I remember, yeah, like a catfish has big whiskers 200 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: like this and they're bottom feeders, and you'd put like 201 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: some like liver or something very smelly on the bottom 202 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: of a hook and let it really go down to 203 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: the bottom. And it was super exciting to catch one. 204 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: I would actually when I caught one, instead of reeling 205 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: it in, I would turn around and run away from 206 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: the water like jog and kind of just pull it slowly. 207 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: Oh, you would take it with you. 208 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: Not reel it in at all, just kind of walk 209 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: to take it. You can take it for a hole. 210 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: But I remember that being exciting and like, you know, 211 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: there's some excitement and just cooking something that you caught, 212 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: you know, of course, And I think that's why I 213 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: became a gardener when I was young. I started gardening 214 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: when I was like thirteen or so, and I learned 215 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: bee keeping briefly then from my uncle. And it just makes. 216 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's about that. So you grew up in 217 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: various places. 218 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: You moved very places, so I would start like learning 219 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: how to do something, and then I would move. 220 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: So, yeah, so you would start a guard for instance, Yeah, 221 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: I have to, you have to. 222 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I still had a garden in Saint Louis that 223 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 2: I grew like. There was a garage where the cars 224 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: could narrowly pull in, and then there was a strip 225 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: along a concrete wall of dirt and I grew corn 226 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 2: there and it really grew. I grew like a row 227 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: of corn perfectly there. But then when I discovered that 228 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: we were going to move and move to a different house, 229 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: I actually went out there with my soccer ball and 230 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: just practice shooting and just cutting them down like a 231 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: scythe with the. 232 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: Ser You didn't want anyone else to have it. 233 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: I mean the point growing. 234 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ten, I. 235 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: Think we were moving to Oklahoma actually from Saint Louis. 236 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: There was a freedom that my kids and a lot 237 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: of kids I know these days don't have. It's maybe, 238 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: you know, like being a latch key kid, which I was, 239 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: where I actually broke into my house frequently when we 240 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: lived in Oklahoma. I would go through a doggy door 241 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: into the garage, pull down the attic ladder in the garage, 242 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: go up into the attic and walk across the framing 243 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: to avoid the insulation, and go through this door into 244 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: the second floor and into the house. And I went 245 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: into the house like every day like that. But there 246 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: was freedom to come and go, not do your homework, 247 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: do your homework. And now I mean maybe it's partly 248 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: living in a city like I do. I can't let 249 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: my you know, when they were young, they didn't just 250 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: go out the front door, you know, and if they 251 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 2: wanted to be alone, they went into their rooms. But 252 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: it's not as much for you. 253 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: Did you But maybe they live longer. 254 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: Think about one of our kids once fell out of 255 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: the car because you know, they had those doors in 256 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: the back that opened like that, like a little mini 257 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: and it was that actually runs this whole program, and 258 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: suddenly he was like on the dirt road. 259 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: Luckily he was a dirt Well. 260 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: My grandfather's name, well I called him Papa, and he 261 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: was a real Mississippi dude. And he lived in Sardi, Mississippi, 262 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: and he had a very old pickup truck. And I 263 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: just love to go into the flat pit and put 264 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: the back lip down and sit on the back with 265 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: my legs dangling over the edge. If I had fallen 266 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: off one, he would have never known, yeah, because he 267 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: was in the front smoking cigarettes, you know. But yeah, 268 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: I also obviously have nostalgia for that time, you know, 269 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: having made it out alive. 270 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: I guess, did you cook for yourself that. 271 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: I frequently cooked for myself growing up, and my parents 272 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: kind of learned to cook a little bit as adults. 273 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: But you know, the food that we come from in 274 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: the South is not like soul food. You're wow, that's 275 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: you know, sort of like wonderbread with Velveta cheese. The 276 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: other thing we would take is like a hunk of velveda, 277 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: melt it to make like some sort of dip. Take 278 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: a can of rotel tomatoes that already had the cut 279 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: up green chili's in them, put that in and mix 280 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: it together. And people ate that all the time with 281 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: like store bought potato chips or something like. It was 282 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: like a dip. And then the grilled cheese with the 283 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: same fake cheese on wonderbread was what everybody ate all 284 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: the time. 285 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: I love a grilled cheese sandwich. 286 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: I'd love a grilled chees sandwich. I would opt for better, no, 287 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: But and so I grew up around people who were 288 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: trying to educate themselves about food but were off and 289 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: not available to do it, and so they learned. Like 290 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: poly Bergen's chili was big in our house. I think 291 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: poly Bergan was maybe a famous cook from that time. 292 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: Steak Diane, what steak steak Diane is like I guess 293 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: some famous cooking dianeaded or something. But it was like 294 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: these recipes that got like sort of famous in America. 295 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: Another one was like a curry, that chicken curry that 296 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: Julia Child had in one of her books randomly, and 297 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: my parents really liked making that. 298 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: Fathers working for the military, my. 299 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: Dad's working for the military, and just Monsanto there as well, 300 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: and then IBM and then IBM we go everywhere? 301 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Did they go? Did they entertain? Did they have friends 302 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: over for dinner? 303 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: No? No, we didn't have anything like that. We were 304 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: very I you know, I cooked a lot of meals 305 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: where I would just come home and like have a 306 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: pack of ramen noodles. I'm like a kid, and I 307 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: would just start like I was sort of being creative, 308 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: but without any foundation of even like put the oil 309 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: in the pan and then the onions and keep it 310 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: on low heats, you know. Like So then I started 311 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: teaching myself. I did this with a lot of things 312 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: in my life, and I learned like weird ways of 313 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: doing it. 314 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: How did you teach yourself through books? 315 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 2: Just reading about it? Yeah, I would try to follow 316 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: a recipe because I was always really into gardening and 317 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: what happens to a gardener all the time You get 318 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: your heart broken when you grow something that's just a 319 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: fantastic pepper, and then you take it in and nobody 320 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: doesn't thing with it and you just watch it die 321 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: on the counter. I think I've also always liked being 322 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 2: in situations that have a pressure to them. Yeah, maybe 323 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 2: that's why I like acting. 324 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 3: It's like. 325 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: I need a situation where there's like a deadline where 326 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: today we're doing the scene and by the end of 327 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: the day we'll have done it and that will be that. 328 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: I like the feeling of that, and so. 329 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: Parallel to cooking. 330 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, restaurant, you know, the curtain goes up and 331 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 3: you know that when we go in there now you'll 332 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: see all the hours of preparation that it took. 333 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it's over. 334 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love what I love about a restaurant in theory, 335 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: and your restaurant really has this is it's such an 336 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: act of love being fed, you know, And it's one 337 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: I didn't particularly grow up with this. I was telling you, like, 338 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: we didn't have many family meals, you know, for my family, 339 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: I always want a family meal, like I make it. Yeah, 340 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: like obsessively, I'm probably a little annoying. We're talking about 341 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: like performance and the performance of having a place like 342 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: this as well. And I think a lot of people 343 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: think of performance as a bad thing, you know, or 344 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: at least they have an attitude about performance. I think 345 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: of it as such a beautiful part of the way 346 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: that people share their inner life in public, you know, 347 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: because we're all quite private. Nobody likes to really be 348 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 2: sincere about what they're thinking and feeling. But through performance 349 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 2: we can relate, you know. 350 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: Well, I talked about performance a lot, and also we 351 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: moved you know, the kitchen when we had the fire 352 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight. It's a completely open kitchen 353 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: and so people can come over and you know, say 354 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 3: I can cook this lamb better than you can, or 355 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 3: what actually is in the source of the punterill or. 356 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 3: And I always say to the you know, to the chefs, 357 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 3: how do you want to present yourself as chef? How 358 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: do you want how you know, if you're going to 359 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: have people, if you're going to be seen, then you 360 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: don't want to have a dirty apron. You don't want 361 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 3: to have your area around you want you know, you 362 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: want to present yourself as somebody who's actually performed something 363 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 3: that is hard to do and creative to do. 364 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: And there's also like I love watching Chef's Cook who 365 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: have like real economy of movement because you're just doing 366 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: it a million times all day, and that kind of 367 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 2: behavior when you watch movies is frequently missing. Actually, what 368 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: do you mean? I mean for an actor to get 369 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 2: to the place where they could actually do it like 370 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: the chef does it, I would argue you'd have to 371 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: do twice as much preparation as most actors do, like 372 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: just for physical behavior. There was actually a great movie 373 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: recently called Late Shifts. It's a Swiss movie, my friendly 374 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: only Benish and isn't it And she plays a nurse 375 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: and it's all the business of taking the thermometers out 376 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: and putting the thing in and everything and adjusting the 377 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: light and it's so much physical behavior. But she did 378 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: it for a very long time. And the reason the 379 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: movie is interesting is that learned behavior really says something 380 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: about someone you know, that's their expertise, the way they're moving. 381 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 3: People always ask me, how do you get you know, 382 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 3: the pasta out at the same time as the grilled fish? 383 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: How does you know, how do you manage to somebody 384 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: orders five sea bass in one feel? 385 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: How do you get how does the restaurant work? And 386 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: I could say the. 387 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: Same thing to you about how do you prepare for 388 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: a role? How do you how does a movie get made? 389 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: How does it get curious? 390 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: I mean that's all. That's all, Like I would say 391 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: the way that I prepare for anything, I'm doing good life, 392 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 2: but acting also, yeah, I just I get curious about 393 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: something that has something to do with the movie, and 394 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 2: that leads me to something else that leads me to 395 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: something else. It's like I used to read, like the 396 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 2: bibliography after I read a book, and I would just 397 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: read the next one that they had read for the 398 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: just go on. This what people do on the internet 399 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 2: now like a deep dive through. And sometimes I'll do 400 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: it on the internet. But I like going to meet 401 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: someone and then I'll say to that person, like I 402 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: just played a brain surgeon. I met this brain surgeon 403 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: who was quite a mechanic about it. Didn't want to 404 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: meet the person. He's like I work on a car. 405 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 2: I don't need to meet the owner to fix it, 406 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: which I understand. And I met someone else who was 407 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: the opposite but when I met that guy, I said, 408 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: who do you think I should meet to learn how 409 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: to play or doesn't have to be a doctor, And 410 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: he was like, oh, I'll take you out to meet 411 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: this guy. We work on old cars together, literally, this 412 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 2: guy who just told me about being a mechanic, And 413 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 2: I was like, saw that he really profoundly looked at it, like. 414 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: That doing an engine of a car. 415 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he actually was doing engines of cars on 416 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: the side. 417 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: Because when I had a surgery, I remember thinking, you know, 418 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 3: the surgeon came in to see me before the surgery, 419 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: and then I never saw them again, you know, and 420 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: it's like you know them, you know, you see the 421 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: next stage. 422 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 2: The difference though, is in Switzerland, where I worked with 423 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: this doctor Philippe. He was incredible. He would sit with 424 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 2: the person for as long as they wanted, and I 425 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 2: sat there with them. They're speaking Swiss Germans, so it 426 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: was like in a way still private for them. So 427 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: I think that's why many people are okay with me 428 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: sitting there. And he would answer their questions and talk 429 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: to them for like sometimes two hours, really long time. 430 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: And I said, why do you do that? And he said, 431 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: because then when I'm in there operating on them, and 432 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: I have to make a decision, like a decision that 433 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: will affect their life. I know what their priorities are. 434 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 2: I'm acting with them in mind, not with some objective 435 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 2: idea of this is what being a this is the 436 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 2: successful surgery. They're different versions of success for each person. 437 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: And I thought that was like I was like, I'm 438 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 2: going to get operated. Yeah, that guy, Well, we were 439 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: talking about like being not only okay with a heightened 440 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: kind of pressured moment, but being attracted to that. Yeah, 441 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 2: And I didn't know. I went and saw many many 442 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: brain surgeries, and on the first one, I was like 443 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: it occurred to me. I was like, well, I don't 444 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: know how'm going to react to this. Like I said, 445 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: I've seen hell the guy as he died from a 446 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: bike accent. He was very injured, but like I had 447 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: a moment to think about this to like walk into it. 448 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: I was like maybe I'll throw up or pass out. 449 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: And I walked in and I was like, this feels 450 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: very comfortable to me. I don't know why, but I 451 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 2: think that was I think I'm like good in an emergency. 452 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably I get like. 453 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: It's like being around the bees or something like that. 454 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: I get like very focused, very calm, and it feels good. 455 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: We ask everyone to choose a recipe from our books, 456 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: and of all the recipes of all the books, of 457 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: all the bars, you know, you chose punturel romana, which 458 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: is actually my favorite. And it's so great that you 459 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: chose it now because it is absolutely in season. I 460 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: know that's all read the day when it leaves us, 461 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: which will be probably a couple more months. 462 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: I have like a real yen for puntarella putarell or 463 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: whatever you're supposed to say. I started growing it like 464 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: on a lark, maybe about six years ago. It was 465 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: right before COVID, and I had so much of it, 466 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: you know, because I just I do that. Sometimes I'll 467 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 2: just like so, like, you know, twenty five foot row 468 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: of it, and I just said, so much of it, 469 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: and so I give it away a lot. But then 470 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: I started looking up what to do with it, because 471 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 2: I kind of grow that way. Sometimes I'll think like, 472 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: oh I had this once and it was really good. 473 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: I don't remember, Well, I just grow a bunch of it. 474 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: We'll figure it out. And so I looked up what 475 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: to make and That's what I came across, and I 476 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: was like, I made I made enough of it so 477 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 2: that now sometimes I'll think, Oh, I really wish I 478 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: could have that in front of me. 479 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: Did you have ever been to Rome? 480 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a time when you go to Rome and 481 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: every restaurant has their own and they. 482 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: Were pretty similar. 483 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 3: But some make it thicker, some do it on the Julian, 484 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 3: and some make the anchovy more more less yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 485 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 3: So this is our recipe. 486 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: This is the. 487 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: Recipe you'd like to fantastic. 488 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: You can change it anyway, okay. 489 00:25:52,359 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: Al Romana Ingredients two heads twelve anchovy filets, salted, cut 490 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: into one centimeter pieces. One garlic clove, peeled and finely chopped, 491 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: one dried chili crumbled, one teaspoon black pepper, four tablespoons 492 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: red wine vinegar, extra virgin olive oil. Well, I can't 493 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 2: read it as well as Olivia Coleman did, because no, 494 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 2: but she read the when she read her recipe for this, honestly, 495 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: she made it sound fantastic. 496 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: Nemesis does he do it all? 497 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 2: I'll try it on the recipe recipe. Fill a bowl 498 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 2: with cold water and add ice cubes. Pull the hollow 499 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: buds from the puntare heads. Slice the buds thinly lengthways, 500 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: place in the water to crisp and curl up. This 501 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 2: will take an hour. Mix the anchovies, garlic, chili, and 502 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: pepper in a small pole and cover with the vinegar. 503 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: Leave for fifteen minutes and add six tablespoons of olive oil. 504 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: Spin dry the puntareles, placed on a plate and spoon 505 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: over the sauce. Yeah, I was into it. 506 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: That was good. 507 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: I tried to read it like a poem. Yeah, it 508 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: sounds I'm a snob for good ingredients and grew up 509 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: that way, I think because of gardening and growing up 510 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: around you know, my grandfather lived underneath a pecan tree. 511 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 2: I know what pecan is supposed to taste like, and 512 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 2: if it doesn't, I'm not interested in that. 513 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: It's huge. 514 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I can taste stale nuts the way that 515 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: other people can't because I've had them not stale, you know, 516 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 2: And so I think I frequently would kind of wherever 517 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: I was living, you know, if I was at Barred 518 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 2: or even now, the way I live as an actor. 519 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: I'll go out to eat sometimes, but a lot of 520 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 2: times I'm just collecting good local ingredients, which in Switzerland, 521 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: for example, was a great thing to do because they 522 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 2: have lots of grape local ingredients, cheese and yogurt, and 523 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: fruit and plums when I was there, and vegetables which 524 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 2: are less available like at most restaurants, and so it 525 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: just makes it so wherever I am, I'll just think, like, right, 526 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: what's growing here, what's the thing? And cheese. I met 527 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: a guy at the top of the Alps who has 528 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 2: heard of maybe thirty sheep and that other people leave 529 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: their sheep up there sometimes for him to take care of. 530 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: And he makes this sheep's milk cheese, which is maybe 531 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: my comfort food would be like either something to do 532 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: with a sheep, like either sheep's milk yogurt or sheep's 533 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 2: milk cheese that's very fresh. Or during lockdown, I had 534 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: a friend who had a cow and I would get 535 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: the milk. Yeah, I was in Vermont and I would 536 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: uh just put it overnight in the oven with the 537 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: starter and I was making that was my favorite thing. 538 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: I could just have lived off that and my honey, 539 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: I thought this is maybe the perfect combination. 540 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: Did you have the kids then you were all in 541 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: from me? 542 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we also you know, we did everything with me. 543 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: I'm like Vigo Mortenson in that movie Captain America where 544 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: he makes his kids do the pushups and read and 545 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: now we're gonna tap maple trees. We tapped maple trees 546 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: and made maple syrup as well, which I have enormous 547 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 2: respect for the people do it because it's like you 548 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: sit there for so many hours and then you can 549 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: screw it up in the last three minutes. I would 550 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: that be by going over by making it too. You 551 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: can burn it, so you know, you need to measures 552 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 2: its density with a hydrometer. And I'm not that that's 553 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: the part of cooking that I've never been great at. 554 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: Like I bake bread and do different things like that, 555 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: but I'm not an exact person. 556 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: That sounds that if I came to your house, I'd 557 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 3: have sheeps yogurt and I'd have honey from the beach. 558 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds pretty good to me. 559 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: I'm still at heart a forager. Yeah, keep using it 560 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: like I would, you know, when I'm in Vermont a 561 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: lot of the time too, Like I will literally pick 562 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: an apple, eat it, go down, be gardening, be eating 563 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 2: and some of the stuff while I'm gardening. Yeah, you know, 564 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: I'll collect some berries. I'll eat half of them before 565 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 2: I get back to the house. You know. 566 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: Actually it's very I keep thinking about that story about 567 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 3: the corn, because that's about beautiful story that you actually 568 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: grew it on the wall next to the house. 569 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 2: I grew it had to be like really, it was 570 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 2: probably only a foot wide of earth there, and I 571 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: actually remember knowing I needed to get better soil for it, 572 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: you know, like I'd learned something from my uncle, like 573 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: to work some compost into it or something like that. 574 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: But I could tell that it drained well, like I 575 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: remember checking it out like I knew something, you know, 576 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: I'm that's the thing my uncle taught me. They're very 577 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: simple things. You pick up the ground the soil, and 578 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: you hold it in your hand and you smell it 579 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: and you look at it. And that's step one. If 580 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: it's not good, either don't grow anything there or make 581 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: it better. 582 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: You know, that's good. Maybe a good alcoholic to life. 583 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 584 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: And also you are. 585 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 3: Making things better because you're also politically active in terms 586 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: of food. Is I was talking to Andrew correct about 587 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: prison food. 588 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean actually with prisons and sentence reform in 589 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: New York State, in particular with this group, the Center 590 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: for a Pet Legislation, and what they do is, you know, 591 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: we have a private prison system and a lot of 592 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 2: our country, so you know, there's incentive to have more 593 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: prisoners because you get paid for prisoner, and so there's 594 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: overcrowding and it's obviously terrible. We also have a problem 595 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: with sentencing of juvenile offenders, and yeah, some of these 596 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 2: guys did things that were really wrong and they needed 597 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: to go away and they needed to be rehabilitated. But 598 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: you know, you do something when you're sixteen that you're 599 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: still in jail for when you're fifty, and something really 600 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: wrong and broken about it, especially since you could, if 601 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: you had the money, get a lawyer and apply for resentencing. 602 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: It's a couple hundred thousand dollars they're going to end 603 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: up spending. So for people that have the means, there's 604 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: a way to get out. What we were doing is 605 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 2: trying to raise money for the people that don't have 606 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 2: the means, really investigating different cases and finding lots of 607 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 2: people who had demonstrated great behavior, were really reformed, had 608 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 2: maybe it's sometimes just been an accessory in the crime. 609 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: They're with their friend too has the gun, they shoot 610 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: the person, they steal the thing. Obviously, again, I don't 611 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: want to live in a society where that happens, but 612 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: the punishments have just been horrible. Yeah, there are lots 613 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: of things to raise a fist about in the world. 614 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 2: It can be hard to you want to actually have 615 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: an effect, and that's what I feel a lot of 616 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 2: the time. And I felt like when I met this 617 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 2: group at the Center for Repellate Legislation, they are literally 618 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: in my backyard. I can see where they are, and 619 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: I thought, I feel strongly about this. This is something 620 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: I can actually show up for. So I mostly just 621 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: tried to raise money for them. I also work with 622 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Conservatory of Music, who has a program where 623 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 2: they they've a lot of private lessons and stuff there. 624 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: They have a old bill that has a finite number 625 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: of rooms, and they're pulling from this relatively wealthy community 626 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: that includes like Park Slope, Cobble Hill, Clinton Hill, Brooklyn Heights, 627 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: Prospect Heights. All the kids there are going spending their 628 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: money on Suzuki lessons, regular lessons. They then take a 629 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: large portion of that money and go for community outreach 630 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: and they bring music to schools that don't have it. 631 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 2: Most of the public schools don't have it, and they've 632 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: hit all of the boroughs. They have like an enormous 633 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: number of programs and they are almost able to meet 634 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 2: the need of New York City. And just recently, actually 635 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 2: I can say this because it was announced like Billy 636 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 2: Joel just gave them an enormous amount of money because 637 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 2: this idea of music. We're talking about music at the beginning. 638 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: People think it's an extra thing. It is an essential 639 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 2: thing to me, and music and the arts in general 640 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 2: without them, I think is a very very thoughtless, potentially violent, 641 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: scary one world, you know, because we learned something about 642 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: ourselves by watching someone else do something, somebody else act 643 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 2: something out When I watch my daughter and all those 644 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: kids do the Tchaikowsky. Yeah, it's classical music and whatever. 645 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 2: You may or may not like it, but that is 646 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: a real emotional moment that happened there. You would have 647 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 2: to be not educated in the arts to not feel it. 648 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 2: And isn't it worth feeling the suffering of a guy 649 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 2: from one hundred and fifty years ago? And then you 650 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 2: go like, oh, people have been feeling like this for 651 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 2: a long time. I'm not alone. 652 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm not alone. 653 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: And there you go. That's the whole thing. 654 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: That's a good period on the sentence, so you can start. 655 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 3: And so I was going to ask you for our 656 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: last question, and I hope you don't need much comfort, 657 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 3: But if you do need comfort, is there any food 658 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 3: that you would go to for comfort? 659 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: Yogurt with some of my honey eyes? Yeah, I mean 660 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 2: I actually do eat my honey a fair amount, like 661 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: on a piece of toast or something like that. But 662 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: for me, comfort food is like very simple food like 663 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: yogurt with a little honey on It is something I 664 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: might eat at ten o'clock at night. It might be 665 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: something I eat in the afternoon or in the morning. 666 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like I can eat it any 667 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 2: time of day. And to be honest, like when I'm 668 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 2: on location sometimes and I come back home and it's 669 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 2: seven thirty and I'm gonna wake up in ten hours 670 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 2: and do it all over again, I just want like 671 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 2: a bowl ofv you know, yogurt with some honey on it. 672 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 2: Maybe ap percimon. 673 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: Sounds good. Good, No, that is good. 674 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: At the end of the seven thank you, Thank you. 675 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 5: Ruthie's Table four is proud to support Leukemia UK. 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