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Speaker 2: Podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone? You were listening to
Speaker 2: Stradia lab Bi coastally. Of course, I'm coming at you
Speaker 2: skinnier than ever due to food poisoning. But I am
Speaker 2: drinking Gatorade in a mug so that visually it doesn't
Speaker 2: look like gatorade. It actually looks tasteful and chic.
Speaker 3: Well, I was saying, you're sort of like an actress
Speaker 3: with a drug problem doing Johnny Carson and then her
Speaker 3: you know, aunt slash manager is coming in. It is like,
Speaker 3: just give her the blue Gatorade like she knows that
Speaker 3: when the blue gatorade goes into the gullet, it's time.
Speaker 3: It's time to say those talking points. And then she's there,
Speaker 3: you know, promoting her big MGM movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like and somehow she does pull it
Speaker 2: all together and everyone is so moved and they're like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see this film.
Speaker 3: Shout out to our friend Dana Dario's novel, which'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure has a very similar scene in it. I have
Speaker 3: had three kind of cinematic things happened to me over
Speaker 3: the last twenty four hours. You want to hear about
Speaker 3: the God Yes please number one. This morning, you know,
Speaker 3: fans of the pod might know I am in some
Speaker 3: ways cheating on Sam by co hosting a different iHeart
Speaker 3: podcast that is a pop culture history podcast about the Kennedys.
Speaker 3: This morning, I did a public radio tour. So here's
Speaker 3: what that entails. I'm on a zoom. Every ten minutes,
Speaker 3: they bring in a different local radio host to interview us,
Speaker 3: and then they leave. And it was like, first of all,
Speaker 3: I had an amazing time.
Speaker 4: It was like your fantasy.
Speaker 3: It was like a window into eighties slash nineties promotional
Speaker 3: tours because it's like you know it's someone who is
Speaker 3: the host of a local radio station in southeastern Texas
Speaker 3: or something, and his name is like Tony at nine
Speaker 3: and then he comes in and he has like a
Speaker 3: really great radio voice and he's like, so, guys, like
Speaker 3: you guys are talking all about the Kennedys. I mean
Speaker 3: the Kennedys are just classic Americana, like what's your favorite
Speaker 3: thing you've learned, and then it encourages you to get
Speaker 3: into it and you start doing radio voice, and it
Speaker 3: just was so heaven to me. I was like, this,
Speaker 3: this is what my life should be every morning. So
Speaker 3: that's one one.
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, I want to respond to that
Speaker 2: and just like please, this is so interesting because I've
Speaker 2: always hated on the radio when they're like you're listening
Speaker 2: to one oh one point seven the Nash and it'll
Speaker 2: be like we have everyone from h I'm dua Lipa
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, it's me blah blah blah. Like I'm
Speaker 2: always like, how did you get that celebrity? Oh? Ales Ayris.
Speaker 2: I've always been like, wait, are were they all there?
Speaker 2: Have they ever all been there?
Speaker 4: And it's from this is a It's always from that tour. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then also, one of them always does like a
Speaker 3: little more. One of them will be like, what's up, y'all,
Speaker 3: it's Ariana Grande, Like one of them will we'll do
Speaker 3: like a little twist on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, okay, so that was your first first time.
Speaker 3: Second, I don't know about glamorous, but it's like moments
Speaker 3: that would happen like in a sitcom or something. Second
Speaker 3: is on my way here, ran into someone. I Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm like truly two months late on sending a draft
Speaker 3: two and like, it's just the terror of running I
Speaker 3: didn't for everyone listening. There wasn't a hard deadline. I
Speaker 3: just said I would send something and then it took
Speaker 3: me a while. But it's like the terror of It's
Speaker 3: very like Sex and the City Carrie running into her editor. Sure,
Speaker 3: like the terror of running into someone at a coffee
Speaker 3: shop and then having to like not quite address the
Speaker 3: thing that both of you are thinking of, because this
Speaker 3: person is like meeting with someone else and she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's my coworker Angela, and you have to be like,
Speaker 3: oh hi, how do you two know each other? And
Speaker 3: you can't be like, well, actually I am sort of
Speaker 3: not sending the thing I meant to be sending. So
Speaker 3: that's and then the third thing, which I'm trying, I'm
Speaker 3: going to try to anonymize as much as I can.
Speaker 3: I had an insane conversation last night where a friend
Speaker 3: revealed to me that someone I've known for years, like
Speaker 3: someone I've known for like maybe five years, is allegedly
Speaker 3: a pathological liar, and many things I thought were true
Speaker 3: are not.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, why do you have to anonymize this?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I know this person.
Speaker 3: You don't know this person. This is like in my
Speaker 3: non comedy life. It's not someone who can miss like
Speaker 3: no one write in. It's not you know, you're not
Speaker 3: going to guess it, but it is. It's like you
Speaker 3: know that you know, Gray's anatomy writer that had that
Speaker 3: expose written about her that and she like cried about
Speaker 3: being sick and all this stuff. I watched the documentary,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, this happened to me. And
Speaker 3: you know what else, this is someone When I first
Speaker 3: met them, I was suspicious. I was like, something's off
Speaker 3: about this person. And then because they were like basically
Speaker 3: nice to me, and because other people I knew were
Speaker 3: friends with her, I was like, huh, it was my
Speaker 3: instincts were wrong, but you got to always trust your gut.
Speaker 2: Trust your gut with people that are like true pathological liars.
Speaker 2: I'm like, just go on the traders, like no, just
Speaker 2: like live it up, like there is a world for
Speaker 2: you and there's a spot for you in society.
Speaker 3: Well, I do think that we were talking about this
Speaker 3: with Parviti, who is who we support one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: is not a pathological liar.
Speaker 4: But we can't stand hardly.
Speaker 3: I've never stanned anyone harder, including every actress, but I
Speaker 3: think there is just I really have come to believe
Speaker 3: there's a certain personality type and they arranged from good
Speaker 3: to bad. But it is a type that is meant
Speaker 3: for reality television, and that is okay, Like it is
Speaker 3: good that reality television provides an outlet for a certain
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 2: Person Yeah, well it's someone who's like deeply, deeply charming
Speaker 2: and deeply like good at games and whatever. But it's
Speaker 2: not like they don't want to be an actress necessarily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or they do and they're not and they don't
Speaker 3: have what it takes, which is also fine.
Speaker 4: George, don't say that.
Speaker 3: Not I'm not saying that about anyone specific I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 3: some of them do want to be actors. Sure they
Speaker 3: will have to you know, we have to be honest.
Speaker 3: Sure some of them do want to be actors. Of course.
Speaker 2: Well, it's very sitcom that you were having all these
Speaker 2: Hollywood moments that and I was sort of laying in
Speaker 2: a bed.
Speaker 3: Well, I was about to say, you know, it's very
Speaker 3: rude of me to talk about my amazing Brooklyn lifestyle
Speaker 3: without addressing the fact that you have food poisoning.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I've been sort of doing that thing of like
Speaker 2: laying and rolling over and looking at my phone and
Speaker 2: like seeing emails and being like not even having the
Speaker 2: strength to respond, yeah, and being like, oh god, but
Speaker 2: now we're out in the studio and it have never
Speaker 2: felt better in my life. Well, well, and I think
Speaker 2: we should actually bring in our guests.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would absolutely be thrilled to do that.
Speaker 2: Well, our guest is to die for. Please welcome to
Speaker 2: the podcast, otsico O Kotzika.
Speaker 5: Hello, beautifuls Hi, Hi, busy.
Speaker 3: George B.
Speaker 4: Busy, George B.
Speaker 5: Busy being Hollywood life, not in Hollywood even close.
Speaker 3: That's right. Well, I try, you know, wherever I go
Speaker 3: as Hollywood. Basically, Hollywood goes wherever I go. Even though
Speaker 3: I live in Nashville. Every day I wake up and
Speaker 3: I feel like it's Hollywood.
Speaker 5: Yes, I will like church, church is in you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I do feel that, like saying like you know,
Speaker 2: blank in this town, or like oh you know it's
Speaker 2: showbiz or whatever. It had a level of irony in
Speaker 2: New York that it doesn't when you're here. It's sort
Speaker 2: of like, oh, no, you are. It just is Hollywood
Speaker 2: and it is this town and it is a small town.
Speaker 5: Yes. And you over there with your food poisoning. I
Speaker 5: was like, oh my good, this is Is it awards
Speaker 5: season you're prepping for?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sam has air quotes food poison he had he
Speaker 3: did to prepare for the Lost Cultures as Cultural Awards.
Speaker 4: I had to fit into my little suit.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, what So what's wild is? I actually
Speaker 5: had food poisoning too a few days ago.
Speaker 2: Really, how did it feel for you?
Speaker 5: Mine doesn't sound like it was as intense as yours? Okay,
Speaker 5: because I wasn't like, oh so thin, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. I wasn't like that.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: I think I'm a little My symptoms are lighter than
Speaker 5: what people typically, Uh describe is.
Speaker 3: That because you are kind of stronger morally and psychologically,
Speaker 3: would you say than most people? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I don't know. That's a wild bold clan, right.
Speaker 2: Most people.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just stronger than most humans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I mean is a mental game.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm like, this is the fact that both of
Speaker 3: you had it, like this is a Hollywood thing. You
Speaker 3: are both preparing for a war season.
Speaker 4: It's an epidemic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, mine was pork noodle soup. How about you?
Speaker 4: I think oysters? But I don't really know.
Speaker 5: Okay, you don't. Yeah that's true, because you we be eating,
Speaker 5: We eat, and then you know what you know? Sometimes
Speaker 5: you know immediately and sometimes.
Speaker 4: Did you know immediately?
Speaker 5: I kind of maybe liten that next hour or two,
Speaker 5: and I I I live wild. I do things like
Speaker 5: I left this pork noodle soup out overnight and then
Speaker 5: I then I did it in the morning. I came
Speaker 5: back to it in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think so you got the poisoning because it
Speaker 3: had been out overnight, not because it was on its
Speaker 3: own bad.
Speaker 5: I think I wonder, I think it's both. Maybe you know,
Speaker 5: it's gotta be a combo.
Speaker 2: I need to talk about these oysters I had, because
Speaker 2: they weren't.
Speaker 5: It's not I'm taking my earrings off. I'm not like,
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to fight.
Speaker 2: Well, they look amazing, by the way, for the listeners,
Speaker 2: they're ritz crackers, but they these or a style I
Speaker 2: had never had in my entire life. I didn't think
Speaker 2: I needed to read the description because to me, oysters
Speaker 2: are oysters. There's one style. They came I'm not kidding,
Speaker 2: with a scoop of like Italian ice on them.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that happens. What, Yeah, that's very common.
Speaker 5: Is this cuisine Italian cuisine?
Speaker 4: No, no, this is common.
Speaker 3: Just because it's Italian ice doesn't mean it's Italian cuisine.
Speaker 3: It's just like it's a little shaved ice on top
Speaker 3: I've had.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, well, I have to say it was more.
Speaker 2: It was like a scoop. It was not like a
Speaker 2: shaving of ice. It was like a scoop of essentially popsicle.
Speaker 2: And they were like different flavors, Like it wasn't just
Speaker 2: like citrusy. It was like like one was like cotton
Speaker 2: candy flavor. Okay, that's not okay, And I was like,
Speaker 2: this is nasty as hell.
Speaker 3: Wait, one was actually cotton candy flavor.
Speaker 4: Literally it was cotton candy flavor.
Speaker 3: And was this restaurant sort of like super sophisticated molecular
Speaker 3: gastronomy and that's why it was cotton candy flavored or
Speaker 3: was it like trying to be populist and.
Speaker 4: Was trying to be it was trying to be the
Speaker 4: first one?
Speaker 3: Really it was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really I and this is complicated. I don't
Speaker 2: want to like blow up a city's whole deal, but
Speaker 2: it was in Portland, and I think when you hear that,
Speaker 2: it makes it make more sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been very surprised by Portland cooking and like,
Speaker 5: you know, the food there is just generally so good.
Speaker 5: I agree, it's the chefs. Yeah, the chef's the ingredients
Speaker 5: they dare to eat wild, So I mean, hence you
Speaker 5: know this Italian eyes, right.
Speaker 3: No, I agree, I trust so important because I'm sort
Speaker 3: of like you guys dedicated your life to this, like
Speaker 3: not you know, if you're living in Portland, you've abandoned
Speaker 3: everything else for the sake of two things, being experimental
Speaker 3: with things that don't matter and being quirky and by
Speaker 3: things that don't matter I mean food. I mean clothing
Speaker 3: like that is your life, none of No one is
Speaker 3: a lawyer, no one is a doctor. Everyone experimenting with food,
Speaker 3: sustainable fashion, and you know, if you're lucky burlesque.
Speaker 5: Yes, but not diversity. They're not experimenting with that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: But but but food and drink and you know the
Speaker 5: other stuff you named, yes, hence, but then do you
Speaker 5: think it was the flavoring or the oyster itself.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was the oyster itself, but the
Speaker 2: flavoring just gave me a red flag in general.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that'd be molecular.
Speaker 2: That be molecular. I also want to say, in the
Speaker 2: topic of food poisoning, we'll move off of it very soon.
Speaker 2: But you know how it's like an excuse all the time,
Speaker 2: Like if you want to cancel on something, you're like,
Speaker 2: I have food poisoning, Like it's crazy to actually have
Speaker 2: it where you're like, oh, it does exist, Like it's
Speaker 2: not just a catch all for like I don't want
Speaker 2: to come to the thing. It's like, no, you can
Speaker 2: actually get this.
Speaker 5: I want to know these circles you run in where
Speaker 5: everyone's like, oh, you know, food poisoning, and it's.
Speaker 3: Such a classic excuse. I feel like it's yeah, especially
Speaker 3: like for like asking for an extension for a paper
Speaker 3: in college or not showing up to college.
Speaker 5: Sweetie, I'm I'm well, do you think I am?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: College, I'm like, bitch, college was I could barely remember it?
Speaker 3: Okay? What about? What?
Speaker 4: Imagine?
Speaker 3: I don't know?
Speaker 2: What if you what do you say when you want
Speaker 2: to when you're on a show and you're like, wait,
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this anymore?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like, oh, I just looked it up.
Speaker 2: It's an hour away.
Speaker 5: I thought we're all about more. Honestly, these days, I
Speaker 5: say that, like my energy or time can't really like
Speaker 5: give to that right now. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 5: I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want people to
Speaker 5: think I'm food poisons all the time.
Speaker 3: No, that's listen, and I agree. I actually I agree
Speaker 3: with you. I do. I would not, at this stage
Speaker 3: of my lifely about having food poisoning. I think what
Speaker 3: I would say is like I would probably say something
Speaker 3: like I put it in my calendar wrong, I you know, uh,
Speaker 3: double booked. I'm I'm not you know, you'd say, which
Speaker 3: I think is a soft lie. But I don't think
Speaker 3: I would actually go so far as to be like,
Speaker 3: my grandmother is sick. Yeah, yeah, I think these.
Speaker 5: Days people would understand literally going like I don't you
Speaker 5: know my energy, or like I overshaw you know what
Speaker 5: I mean?
Speaker 3: And I actually think, I actually think the more detail
Speaker 3: you put into it, the more you're putting it on
Speaker 3: the other person, the more you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: Like my cousin suddenly flew into town and she has
Speaker 3: a huge problem and I have to go pick her
Speaker 3: up because she actually is experiencing a really new virus
Speaker 3: and is in the middle of a park and and
Speaker 3: suddenly it just went blind and I have to go
Speaker 3: there and lead her back. Like then suddenly it's the
Speaker 3: other person's job to like ask follow up questions, whereas
Speaker 3: if you ultimately just tell them I'm tired, they might
Speaker 3: be mad at you, but they're not going to ask
Speaker 3: follow up questions. No for su sure.
Speaker 5: Sure, And you said that long sentence like you've sent
Speaker 5: that text before.
Speaker 3: Because I was young. I do think when I was younger,
Speaker 3: I thought, which is a classic mistake that you know,
Speaker 3: liars make, Not that I if I as a liar,
Speaker 3: but the Lady doth brotok. People think that by getting
Speaker 3: more specific, you are being more convincing, and it's quite
Speaker 3: literally the opposite, Like you just sound like a crazy person.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, I think it's complicated too, because you know,
Speaker 2: I did have to cancel on something last night because
Speaker 2: of real food poisoning, and so it was tough because
Speaker 2: even though I, you know, I think I agree, I
Speaker 2: don't use it as an excuse anymore as I once did.
Speaker 2: But it's like, how do you say, like, I have
Speaker 2: food poisoning, Prince, He's not lying like I want to
Speaker 2: be like, but for real, you.
Speaker 3: Can do that.
Speaker 5: You can do that, throw everyone on an house under
Speaker 5: the bus that's lying and say no for real though,
Speaker 5: not like not like George or whatever, not like George's
Speaker 5: food poisoning, but for real.
Speaker 2: Real food poisoning.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do want to prove it, but there's no way
Speaker 2: to except for now. Now, now we have the proof.
Speaker 2: You've all seen it. You've seen how skinny a yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's what you should do. That's what you
Speaker 3: should do is send send a photo. Send like a
Speaker 3: shirtless pick before you just look emaciated. Look I'm so skinny.
Speaker 5: Look at this tiny top.
Speaker 2: I'm worrying normally this barely fits. Oh now I'm drowning
Speaker 2: in it? Exactly should we do our first segment?
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. I'm ready.
Speaker 2: What the hell?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 3: Ought to go? Our first segment in this podcast, which
Speaker 3: is called Strader Lab, is straight Shooters, And in this segment,
Speaker 3: we test your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture
Speaker 3: by asking you a series of rapid fire questions where
Speaker 3: you have to choose this one thing or this other
Speaker 3: thing A or B. And the one rule is you
Speaker 3: can't ask any follow up questions about how the game works,
Speaker 3: and if you do, we will get so mad at
Speaker 3: you you would not believe you think we're being nice.
Speaker 3: Oh ha haha, we're all joking around. I so much
Speaker 3: as hear an intonation that could be construed as inquisitive.
Speaker 3: I am going to literally take a plane from Brooklyn,
Speaker 3: New York aka Hollywood when I'm here and land at Lax,
Speaker 3: go straight to that studio and get frankly physically violent.
Speaker 5: I want to see you try what you just described
Speaker 5: will take three days to happen literally next to this studio.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? I'll see you in three days a
Speaker 3: week with the way Boeing is these days.
Speaker 5: Yeah, George, that I have to say.
Speaker 2: That was a beautiful sentence in general. Oh thank you
Speaker 2: the inquisitive intonation. I was like, whoa, he's going for
Speaker 2: it today?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 5: No questions? Okay, boom, no questions from me?
Speaker 2: Okay, perfect, Well here's the first one. Okay, build a
Speaker 2: bear or build a blasio, build build a bear.
Speaker 3: Taking the train or aching with pain?
Speaker 5: I love these rhymes. Taking the train or aching with pain,
Speaker 5: Aching with pain?
Speaker 2: Okay, use your name taken or thou hast forsaken, thou
Speaker 2: hast forsaken.
Speaker 3: Liking your CRUSH's story or biking into a trash bin.
Speaker 2: Sorry, like your crushous story, Hi Jinks and Sue, or
Speaker 2: it stinks like pooh Hi.
Speaker 5: Jinks and Sue for sure?
Speaker 3: Susical the musical? Or using pharmaceuticals?
Speaker 5: Whoa, oh yeah, can I say both?
Speaker 3: Sure, that's on that question. So we are going to
Speaker 3: deduct points. But you can answer.
Speaker 2: Both, okay, okay, both exchanging pleasantries or exclaiming Heaven's.
Speaker 5: Me uh, exchanging pleasant trees?
Speaker 3: Okay, Osicho, it's raining men. His name is Glen. I
Speaker 3: paid in yen. Or your grade is ten?
Speaker 4: WHOA?
Speaker 5: Your grade is ten?
Speaker 2: Wow, Georgie, and I have a question that actually in
Speaker 2: your grades ten, did you mean like you received a
Speaker 2: ten on the test or you are in grade ten?
Speaker 3: Okay, I did so. It did occur to me that
Speaker 3: it can mean it can mean both. I'm also I
Speaker 3: feel like my intonation was not Was it that the
Speaker 3: first part was also rhyming?
Speaker 4: Say it again?
Speaker 3: It's raining men. His name is Glenn, I paid in yen.
Speaker 3: Your grade is ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I thought your intonation was beautiful.
Speaker 5: We knew, we knew the rhymes.
Speaker 3: We knew.
Speaker 5: That's not that wasn't why we wasn't the issue. It
Speaker 5: was more semantic your greatest ten? To me, I'm like,
Speaker 5: you're great. I would be telling someone guess what your
Speaker 5: greatest ten? Whereas if they were in tenth grade, what
Speaker 5: would the context be where I would be breaking when
Speaker 5: news to them?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I mean, I hear you loud and clear. It's just
Speaker 2: that like who.
Speaker 5: A loss memory loss?
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, it's like it's a tenth grader that wakes
Speaker 3: up and is like, what great am I in?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Your greatest ten? You're greatest ten?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well? And also like who gets a ten on the test?
Speaker 2: Like I have to be honest. Even if you fail,
Speaker 2: you get like a sixty.
Speaker 3: Oh see, I was thinking it's like from zero to ten.
Speaker 4: Oh, like they got a ten on a ten.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like on the runway.
Speaker 3: Yes exactly, t yes, Oh my god, that would be
Speaker 3: crazy if someone got a ten out of one hundred.
Speaker 3: I mean, that is your orderline, you know, non functional,
Speaker 3: and that's okay.
Speaker 5: You may need to be told that you're also in
Speaker 5: grade ten.
Speaker 3: And okay, that's a really good point. So it's like
Speaker 3: your grade is ten out of one hundred, and then
Speaker 3: you're like barely aware of your surroundings.
Speaker 4: And by the way, you're in tenth grade.
Speaker 3: So you better, honestly, you better like get it together
Speaker 3: because college applications are starting next year.
Speaker 5: Yes exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yes, the person who hears this there go, oh,
Speaker 2: I got a ten on my test and I'm in
Speaker 2: tenth grade. It sound only tens ten cents across the board.
Speaker 5: That's right, Yes, exactly. How this segment is making sense
Speaker 5: to me? Yeah, now I get it.
Speaker 3: So, speaking of tens across the board, OSCO we rank
Speaker 3: our guests performance on a scale of zero to one
Speaker 3: thousand Doves, which is named after the Lady Gaga B
Speaker 3: side one Thousand Doves from the album Chromatica, which is
Speaker 3: not represented at all in the set list for the
Speaker 3: Mayhem Ball I don't know if which people have been
Speaker 3: keeping tabs on that.
Speaker 4: I have been keeping tabs on that, and I found
Speaker 4: it upsetting.
Speaker 3: I actually think it's it's the opposite of ari Astra
Speaker 3: making Eddington in that Gaga is like, you know what,
Speaker 3: we actually can't be nostalgic for Lockdown quite yet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: She's like that just happens, yes, because she could have
Speaker 3: to doing Dramatica. Really is when I think of Chromatica,
Speaker 3: I think of Gaga and Ariana performing with novelty masks. Yeah,
Speaker 3: at the like MTV VMAs, and it's like, I'm actually
Speaker 3: not ready to picture that just quite yet.
Speaker 2: The thing is, have you gone back and watched that?
Speaker 2: Sorry to I'm.
Speaker 3: Not sorry, we need to remember that we have a
Speaker 3: guest I'm listening.
Speaker 2: Well, it's literally I recommend everyone to go back and
Speaker 2: rewatch it. The Yeah, Arianna and Gaga VMA's performance because
Speaker 2: it feels like when you watch, like you know, a
Speaker 2: performance from something when like World War Two was happening
Speaker 2: totally totally whoa whoa, whoa, it's like so weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, people were still figured. People were still figuring
Speaker 3: out where they stood. Because now there's such stereotypes of
Speaker 3: like this archetype is an anti masker, this archetype is
Speaker 3: like a liberal who is banging pots and pans. This
Speaker 3: archetype is like January sixth rioter or whatever. At that time,
Speaker 3: we were still figuring out where we all stood. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what you're supposed to look like?
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, So so basically we have to rank your performance
Speaker 3: on scale of zero to one thousand doves. Like I
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come out and say it, you did incredibly
Speaker 3: well in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: I think you were very confident in your answers. I
Speaker 3: like that you did both for one of them, and
Speaker 3: I honestly think the fact that you did both sort
Speaker 3: of like raise more questions than answers, which is what
Speaker 3: it's all about. You know, obviously we are going to
Speaker 3: cut some points for asking a question, but at the
Speaker 3: same time, I feel like it's playing with the forum
Speaker 3: to ask a question, and it's punk rock to do
Speaker 3: something you're not supposed to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes I think asking a question is a
Speaker 2: gift because it lets us get mad for one second.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right. So I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: like eight hundred ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Whoa, that's an amazing score.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of doves. Yeah, that's a lot of
Speaker 5: duff folks. That's a lot of dough that's one hundred something.
Speaker 5: I couldn't do the math fast enough.
Speaker 3: That didn't.
Speaker 5: That wasn't the whole thing. That wasn't the whole doves.
Speaker 2: It was the whole doves. But there was a lot
Speaker 2: of doves.
Speaker 5: I can go home happy about that.
Speaker 3: What would you do? What would you do if if
Speaker 3: we actually sent physically nine hundred or eight hundred and
Speaker 3: ninety eight doves to your home?
Speaker 5: I would Well, so they're flying, right, they're flying in
Speaker 5: and it's not like you boxed them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they are.
Speaker 2: I think they I think they would arrive in a
Speaker 2: box to be honest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so I insaid, instead of you would have
Speaker 5: bought them an airplane, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thinking helicopter carrying a giant like I guess
Speaker 3: cage you would call it. But they are flying within
Speaker 3: the cage, but it's not a closed box. Like there's
Speaker 3: an air going in and out. Obviously, we don't want
Speaker 3: to kill them. They can breathe, they can breathe, and
Speaker 3: they're flying. They've actually created a really beautiful community inside
Speaker 3: the cage, inside the Stradio Lab branded Dove Cage that
Speaker 3: we said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're happy in there.
Speaker 3: They're happy in there. Some people have kind of emerged
Speaker 3: as the leaders of the town. There's like a Zoron
Speaker 3: figure of course, and a Cuomo figure. You know, there's
Speaker 3: always one.
Speaker 2: Of course, That's that's how it goes. You know, you
Speaker 2: have to have balance.
Speaker 3: So they arrive. You know, I'm not sure what your
Speaker 3: house looks like. Obviously in LA you have some outdoor space,
Speaker 3: which is nice. Would you immediately free them? Would you
Speaker 3: choose some to raise and some to eliminate?
Speaker 5: Yeah, eliminate. Eliminate would be a bold choice. I mean,
Speaker 5: even if there is a even if there is like
Speaker 5: you know, a Cuomo type or whatever, you know, I
Speaker 5: would say, well, int sting, you know they they I mean,
Speaker 5: if you think about it, right, nine hundred doves, that's
Speaker 5: that's its own helicopter too. I would I would say, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, these boys are so silly, you know, they
Speaker 5: these guys could fly, but no, let's put them in
Speaker 5: a bigger flying thing, right, And I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 5: that's interesting. That didn't answer any of your questions. That
Speaker 5: was you know how I would first respond.
Speaker 3: Yes, course, listen, we understand if you need some time
Speaker 3: to like process the fact that you now are the
Speaker 3: proud pet owner of almost nine hundred doves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I would. I would try to train
Speaker 5: some that's fun. I would you know, to to do
Speaker 5: male again, you know, reminiscent of their past. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: don't forget where you came from.
Speaker 3: Oh my, that's a really good that's a really good point.
Speaker 3: And actually this could be speaking of Portland. I feel
Speaker 3: like it would be a very Portland small business for
Speaker 3: you to literally have a small business that's like a
Speaker 3: private dove mailing service. And it would be like people
Speaker 3: would use it for their non denominational wedding invites. People
Speaker 3: could use it to plan, you know, a sort of
Speaker 3: polyamorous retreat. They can use it to send invites for
Speaker 3: a sex positive queer film festival.
Speaker 5: Yes, maybe tiny snacks if it's not too heavy, they
Speaker 5: could deliver them.
Speaker 3: To Yes, some chick pea chips, perhaps, individual individually revidually
Speaker 3: chickpea puffs.
Speaker 4: Yes, that sounds amazing.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, I forget because doves are pigeons too, so.
Speaker 2: We need to have this conversation. Doves our pigeons. Doves,
Speaker 2: they're just like their definitencies.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, they're just white. And you know, just like
Speaker 5: everything in life, when something's white, they go, well this
Speaker 5: is better.
Speaker 3: I mean, I do agree with you. It's like, not
Speaker 3: only is it racist, but it's also like quite simply
Speaker 3: wrong that being like a dirtyish, all white bird is
Speaker 3: more attractive than being a beautiful pigeon that has like
Speaker 3: little stripes and stuff like I do think aesthetically speaking,
Speaker 3: if I were to if you were to tell me, okay,
Speaker 3: you get an article of clothing, you have a beautiful
Speaker 3: dress that you're gonna wear the big Gala, do you
Speaker 3: want it to be like more in a pigeon gradient
Speaker 3: or a dove gradient? I would pick pigeon every time
Speaker 3: you would.
Speaker 5: I mean, because like, white parties are so big, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They are, but it's not exactly. But a dove is
Speaker 3: not fully white. It's like this dirty. It's like dirty
Speaker 3: white gray cream. Don't you think I guess you're okay.
Speaker 3: So you're like you're saying it's quiet luxury. What a
Speaker 3: white dove is quiet luxury?
Speaker 5: A quiet luxury.
Speaker 3: Which is like a sort of minimalist aesthetic where you're
Speaker 3: wearing just like a plain beige dress or like jeans
Speaker 3: and a really expensive white button down or something.
Speaker 5: That's how I usually they paint doves. I haven't looked
Speaker 5: at a dove in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, you you really got a specific
Speaker 5: color going on for them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only does I think of our like magician doves,
Speaker 2: Like yes, And.
Speaker 5: To me, they're like, oh, it's pretty like I don't know,
Speaker 5: I would just say white, but maybe maybe they're a
Speaker 5: grayish off color. Maybe it's not as attraction.
Speaker 3: You know. I think what I'm thinking of, honestly is
Speaker 3: just that like they are naturally a little dirty because
Speaker 3: they're outside, and so whenever I've seen a dove, I'm
Speaker 3: a little bit like someone needs to clean that, Like
Speaker 3: this is not the pristine white tone that I was promised.
Speaker 5: Yes, but I'm with you in that, and I'm with
Speaker 5: you in that, like, yeah, they're overrated, Like why do
Speaker 5: they get a better why do they get a better status. Yes,
Speaker 5: to the point, they have a different name, right, it's
Speaker 5: you know, no, I'm not a pigeon, you know, that's them.
Speaker 3: A different name and a name that's like synonymous with
Speaker 3: glamour and glitz.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Christianity and Christianity.
Speaker 4: I mean a dove.
Speaker 2: I would argue its closer to a swan than a
Speaker 2: pigeon in my mind, Like I'm like, what a fancy words.
Speaker 3: Totally although you know what though, unlike a swan, which
Speaker 3: has maintained its chic reputation, I think everything named after
Speaker 3: a Dove is kind of low reent. Like if you
Speaker 3: think about Dove chocolate, Dove deodorant, Dove even just like
Speaker 3: Dove as a as a Procter and Gamble company or
Speaker 3: Unilever or whatever it is, it's not These aren't sophisticated products.
Speaker 3: You know, we're not talking about like this isn't you
Speaker 3: know Louis Vuitton.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of sad because in a way, they're
Speaker 2: like telling us that we're pigeons and we should aspire,
Speaker 2: yeah to be like there is something condescending about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is how you know that doves are pigeons,
Speaker 5: is you know, how they release them during a wedding.
Speaker 5: Have a big dumpster, dumpster trash right there, and then
Speaker 5: when you release them, watch them go straight to the trash.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, literally, they are. They are just like rats
Speaker 3: of the sky.
Speaker 5: There's still this. They'll be like, they'll go back to
Speaker 5: who they really are. They'll be like, oh, you think
Speaker 5: you think we're going to take off into the sky. No,
Speaker 5: you know, they're going to go into the pilot trash
Speaker 5: and be like, actually, you know, we're just we're just
Speaker 5: cousins of pigeons.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's something I'm working on. So doves to pigeons,
Speaker 2: swans to geese. Swans are swans just geese? Are they different?
Speaker 5: You know, well because geese come yeah, yeah, right, swans
Speaker 5: are just white geese.
Speaker 3: Right wait, are they geese or ducks?
Speaker 4: Whoa, they're they're geese.
Speaker 2: The long neck.
Speaker 5: Yeah, swan and geese have long necks. Ducks have short necks.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I guess that's true. I guess I guess.
Speaker 3: I was recently at a pond that had ducks and swans,
Speaker 3: So they com mingle. Okay, so that's yeah, they're like friends,
Speaker 3: but they're not in the same family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like ducks and mallards are like kind of
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 5: Whoa mallards is? Okay? See this is when that's straight
Speaker 5: culture literally knowing the difference between what we just said.
Speaker 2: In a mallard.
Speaker 3: I completely agree. Yeah, there's something about like this obsession
Speaker 3: to catalog everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: I don't know what mallard is.
Speaker 3: What's I actually also don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: It's like a type of duck, I think, but it's
Speaker 2: like I think it's like sort of more regal.
Speaker 5: Do you come from a bird hunting family?
Speaker 2: No, No, but I've I've I've tried to, like I
Speaker 2: tried to once have like a joke about like the
Speaker 2: narcissm of small differences, but for ducks and mallards and
Speaker 2: how people like how like you'd never want to call
Speaker 2: a Mallard a duck because they'd be like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: a Mallard. We're actually extremely different, and everyone else will
Speaker 2: be like, no, you're not, You're the same.
Speaker 3: I think that differences is like the overarching theme here,
Speaker 3: like all these things. Either they are birds that have
Speaker 3: very similar you know, eating migration and uh and otherwise habits,
Speaker 3: or they are pond bird pond creatures that are also
Speaker 3: very similar and are just like eating random scraps of
Speaker 3: toast that children are throwing at them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's like you guys do yeah, what.
Speaker 5: You guys are good at sounding like you're an expert
Speaker 5: in every subjects.
Speaker 3: We have had. This is literally our entire our entire
Speaker 3: m O, our entire career.
Speaker 5: When did these two become bird experts? I'm like, I
Speaker 5: just told about pigeons and then here we are, I
Speaker 5: don't know, big old Like, wow, No.
Speaker 2: I honestly have to say that this conversation has been
Speaker 2: like so vintage Tradia lab in a way that I
Speaker 2: really was like, oh, this is nice. We haven't gone,
Speaker 2: like done a deep dive on something sons.
Speaker 3: Favorite thing, honestly, and it really is true that we
Speaker 3: haven't done in a while. Our favorite thing is putting
Speaker 3: things into categories. It's like and making a theory about
Speaker 3: the world from those categories. Like, Okay, now we're talking
Speaker 3: about like Swan's ducks, geese, and what's the other one? Mallard.
Speaker 3: Mallard like, I'm like, I'm so ready to spin this
Speaker 3: into a theory about how those are the four kinds
Speaker 3: of gay people? You know? Am I ready to do
Speaker 3: that right now. Maybe not God, not after food poison
Speaker 3: not after my big public radio tour, and not after
Speaker 3: Sam's food poisoning. But just know that that the wheels
Speaker 3: are turning and in a few months you're we're thinking
Speaker 3: Instagram carousel. Here's the fourte Yes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can go into it, but we'd have to study.
Speaker 5: We'd have to me and you, George, at least know
Speaker 5: what mallards are a little more.
Speaker 3: I know, it's really killing me that I can't picture
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like a duck. It's essentially like a type
Speaker 2: of duck, I think, yeah, but it's like.
Speaker 5: More respective which ones are the ones we eat?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. Like if you're getting I
Speaker 3: don't know, if you're getting a peaking duck. What kind
Speaker 3: of duck is that?
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's your typical, you know, green head one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's that whatever that is. You know.
Speaker 3: I had pigeon and and you know, sorry for anyone
Speaker 3: who's easily grossed out, the head was served. It was
Speaker 3: cut in the you know, cross section, so you could
Speaker 3: see like the head and where the bra and like
Speaker 3: half the brain, and the guy that served it to
Speaker 3: us goes, you know, the way you eat this, The
Speaker 3: skeleton is actually so thin that you can just eat
Speaker 3: it whole and it's just crunchy, and so you take
Speaker 3: the half of a head and just put it in
Speaker 3: your mouth and eat it.
Speaker 5: Was this also molecular gastronomy.
Speaker 2: This was Yeah, did it come with a scoop of sugar?
Speaker 3: Let me guess Portland. Let me get this Korean restaurant
Speaker 3: inside a subway stop. Oh, like a like a fine
Speaker 3: dining Korean restaurant inside a subway stop that you like,
Speaker 3: you go into this gross subway then there's an unmarked door,
Speaker 3: but it's like if you know, you know, you go in,
Speaker 3: suddenly you're in, you know, you feel like you're in
Speaker 3: like a London you know, like a sophisticated tasting counter.
Speaker 2: How was it?
Speaker 3: Honestly delicious?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 5: Brooklyn has changed?
Speaker 4: This was in Manhattan?
Speaker 2: Actually, Yeah, Georges going Manhattan girl mode big time.
Speaker 5: Easy pigeon restaurants, restaurants, easy Korean restaurants that serve pigeon
Speaker 5: just off fresh off the street, fresh off of Manhattan.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the thing. It's like you hear
Speaker 3: that and of course it's you know, it's not squab.
Speaker 3: But what there's like there's like a more sophisticated word
Speaker 3: people use, but it's literally pigeon.
Speaker 5: Squab, not another bird time I don't know.
Speaker 3: And of course you're like, you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: a new thing like this, I can't wait to try it.
Speaker 3: And then you remember, wait a minute, there are pigeons
Speaker 3: literally on the street, Like are these pigeons literally coming
Speaker 3: from above ground? You know, above the f train.
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I have to say. I've never
Speaker 2: understood how we have different names for things that like
Speaker 2: when they like a chicken is also poultry, I'm like,
Speaker 2: just call a chicken, like we have the name for it.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I know, Like why have the second name
Speaker 2: just for when you're eating it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a pig pig and pork yeah pam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pam totally. But don't you think that is to
Speaker 3: distance yourself from the violence of eating this, you know,
Speaker 3: beautiful smart animal, of course.
Speaker 5: But fish is fish water, They chopped liver. We don't care.
Speaker 5: We're like, yeah, that's fish.
Speaker 3: That's just like you know, it's true, it's true. And
Speaker 3: then sometimes you know you'll be dealing with like a
Speaker 3: big turkey and suddenly someone will call it the bird
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, sorry, have we gone full circle?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Now they're like trying to incite more violence. They're like,
Speaker 2: don't forget, we're killing you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Oh yes, right right right, it's true.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 5: But again, fish is fish.
Speaker 4: Fish is just fish.
Speaker 5: Because vegetarians will eat fish sometimes and they'll be like, ah,
Speaker 5: I do that though. I'm like, oh pescatarian right where
Speaker 5: they're like I eat no meat, but fish.
Speaker 3: It's like what what?
Speaker 5: Because they're because.
Speaker 3: They don't blink.
Speaker 5: Because they don't blink, you don't feel like they're real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 3: Prescarians are the most morally weak people on the planet.
Speaker 3: It's like, commit to something.
Speaker 4: Well, have your cake and eat it too, right.
Speaker 5: Right, They're like, oh, because you know fish, and it's like, what,
Speaker 5: they don't have feelings. I think it's because fish don't blink.
Speaker 5: So they're like, oh, it's definitely fish don't blink.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't breathe underwater like I'm breathing oxygen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they breathe water. They're they're othered because they
Speaker 2: breathe water.
Speaker 3: You know pescatarians. It's like, yeah, I feel about It's
Speaker 3: how I feel about people with one minimalist tattoo. I'm like,
Speaker 3: either be tattooed or don't be Either have h like,
Speaker 3: have the courage to have full sleeves and you know,
Speaker 3: a portrait of your late aunt on your chest, or
Speaker 3: go to work at the consulting firm. Don't try to
Speaker 3: have it both ways. Don't have a origami sailboat on
Speaker 3: your ankle.
Speaker 4: Done.
Speaker 5: That's cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, oh that's cute.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, what I'm going to get that.
Speaker 3: Literally The reason I mentioned is because that's the touchtoo
Speaker 3: I wanted when I was in my twenties.
Speaker 2: Should we get into our topic today? Yes, So this
Speaker 2: is interesting. We're doing something that's kind of brand new,
Speaker 2: which is that we asked Otsco sort of what her
Speaker 2: vibe is and what, you know, sort of things she
Speaker 2: used to do that could be construed us straight and
Speaker 2: she brought up cheerleading, which we George and I both
Speaker 2: jumped at and said, that's so genius. We never talked
Speaker 2: about cheerleading. We have to talk about cheerleading, and Osco said, well,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's straight. So we have now decided
Speaker 2: that we need to have an official debate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well where the cheerleading is straight or to convince
Speaker 3: Otsico that it's straight. But before that, Otsco, I actually
Speaker 3: would love it if you know, take take the idea
Speaker 3: of straight or gay off your mind, and I just
Speaker 3: want you to sort of tell us about your cheerleading past,
Speaker 3: like where was it, what was it, like, how did
Speaker 3: you get into it? Did you enjoy ages?
Speaker 4: What type do you miss it?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you're quote a cheerleader at heart
Speaker 3: and comedy as your plan B.
Speaker 5: I'm a cheerleader in like, that's like my perspective, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm very like yes, and I'm always like you go girl,
Speaker 5: you go get them, you know, I'm very like I'm
Speaker 5: kind of like a little John two people.
Speaker 3: Sure you know? Yeah, yeah, you're the little John of comedy. Yes,
Speaker 3: you're saying that.
Speaker 5: Well, even in my stand up, I talk about the
Speaker 5: things I love. It's not me complaining about things things
Speaker 5: I hate. No, it's like me defending even like the
Speaker 5: live laugh love sign, because life is hard what we like.
Speaker 5: I don't think you should judge anyone for being genuinely
Speaker 5: stoked about something you know that. That's like, that's me.
Speaker 5: So I think I am actually still a cheerleader, you know,
Speaker 5: like at heart or you know, which whatnot. Our squad,
Speaker 5: you know, some people, depending on where you grew up
Speaker 5: in the United States, some people when they hear that
Speaker 5: I was a cheerleader, They're like, oh, you were a jock,
Speaker 5: you know, and I'm like, no, Like our squad was
Speaker 5: like it was full of girls that were like, if
Speaker 5: it wasn't for cheer I would have joined a gang,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: And that.
Speaker 5: Was my girls. It was like mostly Latinas and black girls,
Speaker 5: and we were like self taught. It was like some
Speaker 5: of the girls like boyfriends were part of the crips,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, some of them had been
Speaker 5: shanked before. It was it was like that Venice High
Speaker 5: School in Los Angeles. Okay, oh yes, yeah, Venice is
Speaker 5: like you know Venice. We were like the crips, and
Speaker 5: then Culver City was like our rival. They were the
Speaker 5: bloods and so like even the last day I our
Speaker 5: graduation day, someone got shot on our campus, you know,
Speaker 5: so it was like that it wasn't like bring it on,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so you were building community and like sort
Speaker 2: of doing cheer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was also like a harm reduction model.
Speaker 3: It was like these girls, you guys were at risk
Speaker 3: youth and you are just like just like Hillary Swank
Speaker 3: in that one movie taught kids how to a journal,
Speaker 3: you guys were you guys were taught how to cheerlead
Speaker 3: and that.
Speaker 5: There was no Hilary Swank character.
Speaker 3: I see. So it was community you have a it
Speaker 3: was community based. You taught you taught yourselves.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, we yeah, we didn't even have a
Speaker 5: coach until like our third year, and it was a
Speaker 5: blonde woman that the school had hired from a gym
Speaker 5: nearby who was like a weightlifting teacher. She didn't know
Speaker 5: anything about cheerleading, but they were like, she's blonde, I
Speaker 5: think that's what you're supposed to do. So she just
Speaker 5: kind of like chaperoned us if we had to go
Speaker 5: away to games.
Speaker 3: And was this a did you do any form of
Speaker 3: like competitive cheerleading or was it always cheerleading a sports
Speaker 3: game that boys were playing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was cheerleading a sports game.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So no, there was no way we would not be
Speaker 5: able to even get into the competitions like one like
Speaker 5: one person could do a no headed cartwheel that we
Speaker 5: were so self taught. That person was me, Oh.
Speaker 4: Congratulation, Ariel, were you chair captain?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: No, I I helped choreograph a lot of the dances though,
Speaker 5: because I you know, I I had like taken dance
Speaker 5: classes since I was a kid, and yeah, I liked choreographing.
Speaker 5: So yeah, okay I did do that. Yes, yeah, So
Speaker 5: so straight or not?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we can, I think sam Andi, I think
Speaker 3: Samuri can like attempt to make our argument for why
Speaker 3: we think it's straight, and then we can have you respond.
Speaker 3: How does that sound?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean obviously yours sounds like a very unique experience.
Speaker 5: It's gonna get dicey because okay, I already I would
Speaker 5: love to hear why you guys think it straight, because
Speaker 5: sometimes it could get dicey. Sure if you're going to
Speaker 5: bring up gangs, because then it could get into race
Speaker 5: instead of you.
Speaker 3: I don't you guys do something? You guys, gangs are
Speaker 3: the last thing on my mind. Right, So it is
Speaker 3: so funny that gangs have already come up, because when
Speaker 3: I think cheerleading, I don't think gangs, like just on
Speaker 3: the very basic level. And Sam can you know build
Speaker 3: off of this. What I'm the reason I think it's
Speaker 3: a straight topic in a very obvious way is because
Speaker 3: of its portrayal and pop culture. It's always like football boyfriend,
Speaker 3: cheerleading girlfriend. The cheerleaders are the most girly, feminine, popular girls.
Speaker 3: They are blonde, maybe they have pigtails or a ponytail.
Speaker 4: They are the pop stars of the school.
Speaker 3: They are the pop stars of the school. They are
Speaker 3: also like bullies, and they bully the more like alternative
Speaker 3: you know goth girls that maybe are artists.
Speaker 2: They well, they're literally encouraging you to get in line
Speaker 2: and support the team. Yes, like stopping altern support.
Speaker 3: They're based. They're also like they are the precursor to
Speaker 3: being a PR girly because what cheerleaders are.
Speaker 4: Cheerleaders are hired.
Speaker 3: PR for the football team, and what the football team
Speaker 3: is is basically the United States Army. So if you
Speaker 3: are a cheerleader, that means your role is to put
Speaker 3: a kind feminine face on something evil, which is men
Speaker 3: taking a running start and hitting their head hard on
Speaker 3: their rival's forehead. Yeah, so it's like and then getting
Speaker 3: really bad brain damage from it. So if you're a cheerleader,
Speaker 3: you are complicit in a really really awful way in
Speaker 3: crimes against people's health, in warlike in warlike culture, and
Speaker 3: in the military industrial complex.
Speaker 2: I mean, George, you really really nailed that. Thank you
Speaker 2: have to say. I'm like trying to think of like
Speaker 2: what you might have missed, and quite frankly, I have nothing.
Speaker 5: Don't you think? Also for me as a cheerleader, though
Speaker 5: no one was listening to us, And it's actually a
Speaker 5: very unhinged sport because we're out there. We're out there
Speaker 5: being like, you go, girl, you got this, when we
Speaker 5: have no say in the game. Yes, we literally aren't
Speaker 5: playing the game.
Speaker 3: But that's where the pr thing comes in. It's like,
Speaker 3: it's like being hired to write Let's say you're hired by,
Speaker 3: you know, a political candidate to write messaging. It's like
Speaker 3: you're not in charge of what the actual policies are.
Speaker 3: Your job is to sell them. The policies might be
Speaker 3: you know, violent, right wing whatever, but it's your job
Speaker 3: to sell them. And that's what you guys are doing.
Speaker 3: Like you have no control over whether they win or lose.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, But nobody's buying us because this is what
Speaker 5: would happen. Okay, our team would be losing, Like so
Speaker 5: like we're at zero points and we still have to
Speaker 5: be out there being like we go, girl, we got this.
Speaker 5: We just look demented and the crowd knows it. We're
Speaker 5: screaming at the players like trust us, bitch, like we're
Speaker 5: like we're gonna win.
Speaker 3: No we're not.
Speaker 5: We've never won.
Speaker 2: Well, this really brings up something interesting and sad, even
Speaker 2: where it's like when do you just give up as
Speaker 2: a cheerleader because your your whole thing sort of depends
Speaker 2: on the hope that you could win. And if there's
Speaker 2: no hope.
Speaker 5: You still have to You still have to do the
Speaker 5: same messaging when the proof is right in front of
Speaker 5: your eyes. So I don't know how much propaganda we're
Speaker 5: able to do actually when it's like, well, girls, we
Speaker 5: can see our team sucks, and we're still doing I'm
Speaker 5: doing aerial after aerial after arial because no one else
Speaker 5: has a trick. I'm tired by the end of every game.
Speaker 5: I have corn rows in my hair because the black
Speaker 5: girls on this squad were like, girl, we give you permission,
Speaker 5: We're going to do it on you, Okay. So I'm
Speaker 5: out there just trying to make friends as an immigrant
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. That's what cheer leading meant
Speaker 5: to me. And so whether whatever messaging I was promoting,
Speaker 5: okay I was. I was dizzy by the end from
Speaker 5: the arials. I still had corn rows and our team
Speaker 5: still lost.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm hearing I'm hearing the queer argument.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm hearing the queer argument.
Speaker 4: It's female friendship first and foremost.
Speaker 2: And it is also like like hope in the face
Speaker 2: of so much loss exactly, Like it's kind of like
Speaker 2: still believing that like we can destroy capitalism, yes, when
Speaker 2: it's like everything points to like no, we can't, Like
Speaker 2: we're losing.
Speaker 3: So where did you hear? We heard it?
Speaker 4: We all heard it.
Speaker 3: And I think here's what I'm thinking. It's honestly, it's
Speaker 3: like there's a literal war going on right next to you,
Speaker 3: and you guys are making little zines with poetry like
Speaker 3: it's the it's the naivete of thinking that you doing
Speaker 3: a backflip could in any way help the team do
Speaker 3: better or and there's something sort of I think the
Speaker 3: the the act of being on the sidelines is very queer,
Speaker 3: like the act that it's like this is this is
Speaker 3: mainstream culture.
Speaker 4: This is stray culture over here.
Speaker 3: What's happening, which is the football players, it's the coach,
Speaker 3: it's even the people watching. The people watching are also
Speaker 3: part of the mainstream culture. And then you're coming in
Speaker 3: and you're sort of this like side show. It's like
Speaker 3: you're doing so in that sense, you're doing off Broadway.
Speaker 5: A little bit. We all just want to be on stage.
Speaker 5: We want to be in theater. But you know, theater
Speaker 5: was expensive, and I mean so was cheerleading. But we
Speaker 5: had you know, we had like car washes and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. We raised money. But I wonder why we
Speaker 5: had to audition to get into theater. Not all of
Speaker 5: us could sing and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Did you not have to try out to get into
Speaker 3: the cheerleading squad?
Speaker 5: We did, But know it was very like can you
Speaker 5: do a.
Speaker 3: Cart with yeah that spirit? Yes? Sure? Sure? And then
Speaker 3: were there men? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Were there men?
Speaker 5: They're actually were not on arsen not.
Speaker 3: On your squad?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that checks out.
Speaker 3: Here's my question for you, Sam, as someone who grew
Speaker 3: up in what I envision as like an all American environment,
Speaker 3: you know with whatever that entails. Sure, and I know
Speaker 3: what my answer is to this. Did the actual reality
Speaker 3: of the cheerleaders at your school fit in with the
Speaker 3: pop culture image we have of cheerleaders. Were they in
Speaker 3: fact the popular girls?
Speaker 2: I think for my for the school I went to
Speaker 2: in Michigan, which was a much whier school, that was
Speaker 2: the case, okay, Like it was a very like how
Speaker 2: the media depicts high school is true, like the high school,
Speaker 2: the cheerleaders are popular, the jocks are popular, and like
Speaker 2: it trickles down from there and then But then when
Speaker 2: I went to Virginia High School, which was much more
Speaker 2: black school, it was like not necessarily the case, like
Speaker 2: it was way more like less clear who was like
Speaker 2: popular and who was not.
Speaker 3: Okay, interesting because I would say the years that I
Speaker 3: spent and this was middle school, because then you know,
Speaker 3: I was in America high school. But in middle school
Speaker 3: I was at like a relatively white high school. It
Speaker 3: was like sort of suburban Northeast. I would say. The
Speaker 3: popular girls played like field hockey and lacrosse and maybe
Speaker 3: even soccer. Like the popular girls also were expected to
Speaker 3: be athletic in this way, and it was the they
Speaker 3: were expected to be like athletic slash preppy. It was
Speaker 3: like lacrosse and they had little bows in their hairs.
Speaker 3: And the cheerleaders. There was something sad about the fact
Speaker 3: that they weren't the popular girls, but they thought that
Speaker 3: cheerleading would be an avenue into popularity.
Speaker 2: Well interesting, you know what I mean, Like it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't they weren't they weren't I mean I think you know,
Speaker 3: it was a mixed bag. Maybe some of them were
Speaker 3: also popular, but it was not in any way like
Speaker 3: cheerleading equals popular. I would say the most popular girls
Speaker 3: were doing the like white people's sports.
Speaker 4: Oh that is really interesting.
Speaker 2: I feel like we didn't have lacrosse and field hockey
Speaker 2: and those sports at my school. Yeah, it's very I
Speaker 2: think maybe that's yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it depends on what where the money is being
Speaker 5: sent to totally. Yeah, right, where they invest what sport
Speaker 5: they invest in. So our school also had golf, Like yes,
Speaker 5: like the rich white people's sports like golf and swimming.
Speaker 5: Those were actually the more popular kids. So they were white. Interesting,
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, it's where like the richer.
Speaker 5: It's just like, uh, how the world works. You know,
Speaker 5: it's like wherever there's money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, and that is the bigger through line is what
Speaker 2: I've always said is like, whoever had the most money
Speaker 2: in high school was the most popular one.
Speaker 3: I also, actually I am not realizing the money thing.
Speaker 3: If you have money, you are or if you even
Speaker 3: like grow up in an environment where you are feeling
Speaker 3: competitive and you're feeling like I'm gonna get into Harvard
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna do what. You're much more likely as
Speaker 3: a girl to play a sport that will help you
Speaker 3: along those lines than you are to sign up to
Speaker 3: be you know, just holding pomp poms? Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 3: you are basically a girl boss in training. You're like,
Speaker 3: lacrosse will lead to my my Dartmouth application essay, and
Speaker 3: then that will lead me to Goldman Sax Yes, exactly sure.
Speaker 5: And into world domination.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now let me ask you something out to go. What
Speaker 3: is your relationship with pomp poms?
Speaker 5: Well, we had them, and do I still own them somewhere?
Speaker 5: I don't know. They picked up dirt real easily.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was hard. Did you feel like when you
Speaker 3: pick them up you got excited and were like ready
Speaker 3: to go?
Speaker 5: What was I more excited about? I was more excited
Speaker 5: about doing the dances and the cheers, the pomp poms yeah,
Speaker 5: pomp poms were fine. We didn't use them that much
Speaker 5: for some reason.
Speaker 3: I'm asking because to me, that is something that is
Speaker 3: so that's what takes it into this almost like self
Speaker 3: mocking thing. It's like, if you don't have pomp poms,
Speaker 3: you're doing dance and you're doing gymnastics, and it's easy
Speaker 3: to argue like we are doing something that is actually challenging,
Speaker 3: it is a real sport. You suddenly add pomp poms
Speaker 3: to it, and it's like you're making fun of these people.
Speaker 3: Like it's like you're like a circus act. You're like, don't,
Speaker 3: don't take me seriously. I'm just kidding. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I wonder if that's why we didn't use them as much,
Speaker 5: because we also were trying to do stunts too, you know,
Speaker 5: like throwing girls, throwing girls in the air, you know, right,
Speaker 5: they had to do you know.
Speaker 2: You're doing that self taught. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: so dangerous.
Speaker 5: Yes, but you know, you just I mean I was
Speaker 5: always on the bottom. I could never but the girls
Speaker 5: on the top were very light. They were very light.
Speaker 5: It's almost like they were flying themselves.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: We just kind of threw and like hoped and then
Speaker 5: we would catch you.
Speaker 3: You actually had to pull them down because they were floating.
Speaker 5: They floating. Yeah, they were like, oh no, she's she's
Speaker 5: so light.
Speaker 4: They're much like me right now after my food poisoning.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they all had food poisoning.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh she's so ready for the means, you know,
Speaker 5: and we had to Yeah, we had to bring them
Speaker 5: back down. I wonder if that's why because we were like,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, I think the pompoms is more decoration, honestly, honestly,
Speaker 5: and so yeah, so we didn't use that as much.
Speaker 5: I think about those girls a lot, you know, and
Speaker 5: uh yeah, like you were saying with like gold Man Sacks,
Speaker 5: you gotta do, Yeah, the cross takes you there. You know.
Speaker 5: For us, cheerleading was like it's like the save we
Speaker 5: got to save the community center down the street kind
Speaker 5: of energy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The way that you're describing this chileading squad is very movie.
Speaker 2: It's very like cinema about like the rough and tumble
Speaker 2: squad that like has to then compete with the rich
Speaker 2: people and like they lose horribly, but like they win
Speaker 2: friendship and whatever.
Speaker 5: Right, there was friendship and also it was good because
Speaker 5: you know, I also was bad at academics to stay
Speaker 5: on the squad, you know, which meant a lot to
Speaker 5: us because it was community, it was friendship, and and
Speaker 5: also discipline because you had to keep a certain grade
Speaker 5: of course to stay on the squad. So that also
Speaker 5: forced us to like try not to fail in classes
Speaker 5: and stuff, which which was good. You know what I mean,
Speaker 5: it was kind of Yeah, it's like it's like a gang.
Speaker 3: You really keep you keep going back to the gang. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you really wanted to be a gang. You really want
Speaker 3: it to be a gang.
Speaker 5: I'm like good gangs were not mentioned during this debate
Speaker 5: about straight or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the only verson on earth who could connect
Speaker 2: chewing into gangs over and over and over.
Speaker 5: I mean, they did it. They're the ones that said it.
Speaker 3: It's funny. I'm now thinking about I think you bring
Speaker 3: it on, and I'm thinking about competitive cheerleading, and I'm
Speaker 3: also thinking about, you know, the recent the recent story
Speaker 3: about how the Texas Cowboys cheerleaders finally like reached a
Speaker 3: contract where they can be paid a living wage. And
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking there is something so inherently tragic, like
Speaker 3: in a true like Greek tragedy way about the sport
Speaker 3: of cheerleading because you are in this inherently supporting role,
Speaker 3: like no one is quote unquote there to see you
Speaker 3: if you are the cheerleaders for a sporting game that
Speaker 3: people are at, and.
Speaker 5: It's the only sport where you're supporting another sport exactly,
Speaker 5: people are actually there to see exactly.
Speaker 3: And so within this definitionally second class citizenship, you are
Speaker 3: fighting for rights. But it's so difficult to make the
Speaker 3: argument because of course you are not at the quote
Speaker 3: unquote at the level of the athlete, because you're by
Speaker 3: definition the one supporting them, like you are literally there
Speaker 3: to cheer them on. But then you still deserve you know,
Speaker 3: higher pay and equal rights, and so you are in
Speaker 3: this bind where you will never actually reach equality. And
Speaker 3: it almost like mirrors, truly mirrors like the struggle of
Speaker 3: women throughout history.
Speaker 2: Well, there's something about like the way cheerleading was founded,
Speaker 2: because I do think the place where cheerleading is now
Speaker 2: it is a sport if you're like doing like the
Speaker 2: competitions are insane, and the way they have to be
Speaker 2: so good at it is insane.
Speaker 5: It's wild because you're cheering nobody. You're cheering nobody.
Speaker 2: You're like performing what it would be like to cheer
Speaker 2: someone on, Yes.
Speaker 5: Exactly, just it's just your mom's in the crowd because
Speaker 5: they drove you there. Yeah, and you're still doing full
Speaker 5: blown routines. Go go, go, generally go you who are
Speaker 5: you pumping up? Just generally? Everyone feel good? That's wild.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like and the whole thing is like flawed
Speaker 2: from like from birth, Like they've tried to take this
Speaker 2: thing and be like it's you know, in the fifties,
Speaker 2: it's like the girls cheering on the boys, and then
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, over time it's become a genuine sport,
Speaker 2: but it's still based in two boys people.
Speaker 4: So it's like you have to like erase the past.
Speaker 2: You need to like restart, Julie, do you know what
Speaker 2: it reminds me of now it's just dancing gymnastics.
Speaker 3: It reminds me of beauty pageants because beauty pageants are inherently,
Speaker 3: you know, just on a literal level, misogynistic. If it
Speaker 3: is a competition for who's most beautiful, of course that
Speaker 3: is you know, a sexist event. But as they have
Speaker 3: evolved along with the times, it becomes a scholarship, it
Speaker 3: becomes also an interview portion where you prove that you
Speaker 3: are smart and worldly and thoughtful, and so then you're
Speaker 3: sort of are in this midway point where you can't win,
Speaker 3: Like you can't can't argue that it's good, and you
Speaker 3: can't argue that it's bad and you're not getting paid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you still have to be hot.
Speaker 3: It exactly at the same time, it's like you have
Speaker 3: to be hot, but then you also have to be
Speaker 3: constantly talking about how amazing it is that you are
Speaker 3: in such a diverse group of people that are all hot.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, totally, totally. Yeah. Yeah, it's a you know,
Speaker 5: it's a it's just for show. It's a vibe. It's
Speaker 5: a vibe, and I think.
Speaker 3: That's actually the that's the gayest thing about it. I
Speaker 3: would say it's like the theater element of it, the
Speaker 3: costume element of it, the pom poms, the pageantry of
Speaker 3: it is very queer. But the fact that it is
Speaker 3: a barnacle on the side of like the NFL, is
Speaker 3: what makes it straight.
Speaker 2: Right right right barnacle. Yeah, Okay, here's what I'm imagining.
Speaker 4: Hear me out.
Speaker 2: This is a okay, so the same that you had
Speaker 2: your like girl friendship gay guys in high school need
Speaker 2: an outlet as well, And I think they almost need
Speaker 2: an anti cheerleading squad where they can like spread rumors
Speaker 2: and lies about the opposing team and potentially like bring
Speaker 2: the vibe down a lot and be like maybe like
Speaker 2: a school Twitter account or something and just like spray
Speaker 2: like rancid lies about the other team, and then they
Speaker 2: could all connect and have something to bond over.
Speaker 3: You're saying, you know, cheerleaders are, as we've said, publicists,
Speaker 3: but what we need is bloggers.
Speaker 2: Literally, that's it, right, Every school needs its own gawker.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, are their uniforms too though, Yeah, Uniclo.
Speaker 4: Is going to make the uniforms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Uniclo is going to make the uniforms. Are going
Speaker 3: to be really boxy.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, let them shine, let them soar. These bloggers, you.
Speaker 3: Know from experience, bloggers are not allowed to shine. They
Speaker 3: have to remain in their basement and there on their keyboards.
Speaker 5: So the gays are just still like like locked indoors,
Speaker 5: not there.
Speaker 4: But they can't be fabulous. They are.
Speaker 3: They're like they're like Perez Hilton in his case, drawing, drawing,
Speaker 3: Come on on, Misha Barton, and.
Speaker 5: The positive is hey, at least you get to be
Speaker 5: gay exactly. At least it's you. At least it's your
Speaker 5: authentic self. But you can't go outside, yeah and want
Speaker 5: to be doing dances.
Speaker 3: Nope, Nope.
Speaker 4: For many, grab the computer, baby.
Speaker 3: For many gays, being on the computer and being mean
Speaker 3: is being their authentic self much more than you know,
Speaker 3: whatever else the liberal media will have you believe.
Speaker 5: No, of course, of course, but all of them, what
Speaker 5: if I mean? And then some of them, you know,
Speaker 5: some of them want to be on the squad.
Speaker 2: Well, this is why it gets difficult to.
Speaker 3: We haven't even mentioned gay guys on the squad exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, of course, that's the craziest part of it all.
Speaker 2: Where it's like the way that the moment a guy
Speaker 2: is on the squad, his sexuality is called into the
Speaker 2: question in a huge way. And if he is straight,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a straight guy being in theater,
Speaker 2: where it's like, if he is straight, it's like, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's much worse, of course.
Speaker 3: Because a straight guy being in theater, at least you
Speaker 3: can be like, oh, that's a leading man, that's Marlon Brando. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's no equivalent of a straight there's no a straight
Speaker 3: cheerleader role model.
Speaker 5: Wait, can I tell you though, there's four former I
Speaker 5: know a lot about this because I've talked about I
Speaker 5: talked about it a lot in my latest special. Actually,
Speaker 5: but there were four US presidents for former US presidents
Speaker 5: former of course.
Speaker 2: They're former four US president trum Trump, Trump and.
Speaker 5: Trump who were cheerleaders?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Wait which ones? Which ones?
Speaker 5: So it was Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and then
Speaker 5: there was one more.
Speaker 3: I mean, these are big, big ones, big ones, like
Speaker 3: these are ones I've heard of. Let's say that.
Speaker 4: Yes, that is so surprising.
Speaker 3: Wow. I actually do remember, you know when liberals and
Speaker 3: Roosevelt sorry wow, oh FDR or other one? Oh my god, oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah FDR yeah, FDR.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, I do know about George W. Bush because
Speaker 3: that was a classic case of liberals doing the thing
Speaker 3: where they're accidentally homophobic to criticize the Republican, like people
Speaker 3: being like, you think this guy can run the country,
Speaker 3: he's faggy. Oh wow, is that right?
Speaker 4: Definitely, It's such a thing.
Speaker 3: It's like when people used to like make jokes about
Speaker 3: Trump and putin making out.
Speaker 5: I know, it's so dumb.
Speaker 3: It's like, take one breath and like think about what
Speaker 3: you were saying.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, I know, well maybe there's something insidious about
Speaker 2: a male cheerleader. Yeah, because you can, like because everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're probably gay, where you can like almost like be
Speaker 2: more evil. Well you can literally like are assuming you're
Speaker 2: a cool gay guy.
Speaker 3: Well that's why that's No, it is literally true. That's
Speaker 3: why straight actors sexually harassed because they're literally they're there,
Speaker 3: they're on set, no one's suspecting them. Suddenly they're sexually harassing.
Speaker 4: You're supposed to be an actor.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be an actor.
Speaker 4: Stop it. Wow, what an amazing point this is.
Speaker 5: Well, well, so do we not choose? Yeah, what have
Speaker 5: we decided? I mean, well, okay, how about this oddsicle?
Speaker 5: What do you think based on the arguments you've heard today?
Speaker 5: You guys made really really, really solid points.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm like, maybe it is just straight yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: but I also don't want to take away from the
Speaker 5: fact that it's got so many elements that you know,
Speaker 5: are trying not to be the convention, right, and uh,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe some of the community it's built. Also,
Speaker 5: some of the girls on my squad were totally with
Speaker 5: each other.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna say. This is one of
Speaker 3: those classic instances where it is a straight concept, but
Speaker 3: queer people made it their own. And there's a story
Speaker 3: of resilience in the face of so much prejudice and hardship.
Speaker 3: And I think it's almost like how it's like how
Speaker 3: gay people made Disney.
Speaker 2: Gay Yeah, or like Survivor even or Survivor.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I will ready okay that all right.
Speaker 3: We did it.
Speaker 2: We did it. Well, that's going to make saying we
Speaker 2: should do our final segment.
Speaker 3: Let's do a final segment.
Speaker 2: Otsco a final segment. It's called shout outs, And in
Speaker 2: this segment we payomash to the grand straight tradition of
Speaker 2: the radio shout out, giving a shout out to anything
Speaker 2: that we are enjoying. People, places, things ideas George and
Speaker 2: I will go first, and I have one.
Speaker 3: I have one too, Go ahead, you go first.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: What's up, theater goers and off Broadway aficionados. I want
Speaker 3: to give a shout out to our friend Josh Sharp's
Speaker 3: new off Broadway show directed by Sam Thinkleton called Tada.
Speaker 3: It is at the Greenwich House Theater. I had the
Speaker 3: privilege of going to opening night on my actual birthday.
Speaker 3: That is how I chose to spend my birthday. It
Speaker 3: was absolute heaven. Jennifer Lawrence was there. I had seen
Speaker 3: a version of the show two years ago, and I
Speaker 3: already thought it was great, but when I tell you it,
Speaker 3: it was elevated into real capital t theater. And to
Speaker 3: see someone essentially do an elevated version of PowerPoint comedy,
Speaker 3: something we have seen so many times, and to pull
Speaker 3: it off so well, to have it be so nuanced
Speaker 3: and interesting and unexpected, and to not at all have
Speaker 3: to like let go of the gay guy comedy sensibility,
Speaker 3: to just like commit to exactly who Josh is, and
Speaker 3: to do it in a way that even Jennifer Lawrence
Speaker 3: can enjoy. I thought was so incredibly impressive. It really
Speaker 3: felt invigorating and really inspirational, and I felt honored to
Speaker 3: be his friend. And I just want to say, Josh,
Speaker 3: you go Chica, and if you're in New York City,
Speaker 3: I don't know how much tickets cost, but look it
Speaker 3: up and go see Josh Sharp today. You will have
Speaker 3: an amazing time. By the way, it's eighty minutes. If
Speaker 3: you're worried about theater being three hours of these days.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get and you're gonna get out. You're gonna
Speaker 3: have dinner via Croda. You're gonna have an amazing night
Speaker 3: in Manhattan. And I love theater, I love off Broadway,
Speaker 3: and I love gay guys.
Speaker 2: Whoo whoo. Well that was amazing seconded and I can't
Speaker 2: wait to see it when I'm back one day. Okay,
Speaker 2: what's up freaks, losers and perverts around the globe. I
Speaker 2: want to give a shout out to the TV show
Speaker 2: Say Nothing. Through having food poisoning. I've been like, what
Speaker 2: TV show can I watch that doesn't step on what
Speaker 2: I watch with Misha, And I said, I don't think
Speaker 2: he wants to watch Say Nothing. So I've been watching
Speaker 2: Say Nothing. And let me tell you this show is
Speaker 2: to die for. First of all, Irish. Irish is trending.
Speaker 2: We all know this to be true. Second of all,
Speaker 2: you know, fighting an oppressive government. Baby, if you liked
Speaker 2: and or guess what Say Nothing is and or but Real,
Speaker 2: get this. It happens in real life too, much like
Speaker 2: food poisoning and or but Real. All the performances are
Speaker 2: to die for. I find it both inspiring and a bummer.
Speaker 2: And it is so interesting and I'm only four episodes in,
Speaker 2: but I can't wait to get deeper and deeper into
Speaker 2: Say Nothing. Thanks FX for the amazing Prestige TV. Xoxo Sam.
Speaker 5: Whoo wow, I prepped something that was wrong. I think
Speaker 5: what is your I thought we were supposed to like
Speaker 5: shout out something straight.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's just anything that we like, but you can.
Speaker 5: It was like, haha, shout out something straight.
Speaker 3: And I was like, wait, I love that. I love
Speaker 3: that you're shouting out something straight. Go for it. I
Speaker 3: don't you want to? Well you can do it.
Speaker 5: I can. Oh god, I thought this was like an
Speaker 5: ironic like shout out something straight.
Speaker 4: It can be.
Speaker 3: It definitely can be. I mean we've shouted out things
Speaker 3: we hate in the past, we've shouted out things ironically.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, perfect? Am I like the worst guest at all?
Speaker 3: Actually I loved this episode and I loved debating cheerleading.
Speaker 5: Okay, here I go. Okay, I mean I'm not good
Speaker 5: at this. Hey, hey, you over there, that's who I'm
Speaker 5: talking to. Yep, thanks for listening as Oh yep, and
Speaker 5: it's Bippy me otsco okat Scott, your girl. I'm telling you,
Speaker 5: you know, I think Hayley Weaver. Her skin is so pretty,
Speaker 5: it's so beautiful, and her skincare is you know, I
Speaker 5: can't wait to try it. I just love looking at
Speaker 5: I love looking at her face. I love her. I
Speaker 5: think it's cool. She what she built, you know, and
Speaker 5: then she sold it for I don't know, billion dollars.
Speaker 2: I think so that was wild.
Speaker 5: Hope she uses it for good. She definitely will, and
Speaker 5: she will and uh, that's that's skincare for you.
Speaker 3: Wow. I love that shouting out road road skincare, and
Speaker 3: they really need the press.
Speaker 5: That's what it's called road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one dollars, she uses it.
Speaker 3: Well, there's like no time to talk talk about this
Speaker 3: right now, But at some point we have to discuss
Speaker 3: the lie that is these companies. Yeah, the skincare thing
Speaker 3: must crumble, like I just simply, I simply don't believe it.
Speaker 3: Like you can convince me that Hailey Bieber is a
Speaker 3: successful entrepreneur, You can't convince me that Kylie Jenner like who.
Speaker 3: You cannot convince me that anyone is buying this stuff.
Speaker 4: I fully, George, I'm on board. I'm on board.
Speaker 3: I refuse to believe what Forbes dot com is telling me.
Speaker 3: None of these people are are billionaires.
Speaker 5: There's that many faces in the world that need these products, and.
Speaker 3: They believe Hailey Bieber. There's so many existing skincare companies.
Speaker 5: I know, I know. I think it's right that you
Speaker 5: have to be so good at branding. I mean, she
Speaker 5: keeps her face moist, lolking her face.
Speaker 3: Oh she is wet, wet, wet.
Speaker 5: Yes, and so you're like, okay, So I think that's
Speaker 5: the I think that's the key to look you know,
Speaker 5: in your twenties. But she is in her twenties and
Speaker 5: so you know, but that's how you sell, I guess.
Speaker 5: But there's drag queens, there's every pop star has a
Speaker 5: skincare line and makeup line. So it's hard to chew.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: I guess that's one thing we spent a lot of
Speaker 5: money on. I know, as humans is like our face,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: It's tough. I recently did buy a lip mask that
Speaker 3: Sydney Sweeney recommended and I'm loving it. Right.
Speaker 5: See, we all get influenced when it comes to a face.
Speaker 5: It's the first thing people see about you.
Speaker 3: That's true. So I don't know. Well, damn well for
Speaker 3: another time, But I just want to say, this has
Speaker 3: been such a pleasure, Otaco, and please tell people where
Speaker 3: they can find your special, where they can find your work,
Speaker 3: where they can find you.
Speaker 5: I Oh, I'd be at Otsco Comedy on my Socials
Speaker 5: and then yeah, my latest special is on Hulu and
Speaker 5: Disney Plus called.
Speaker 4: Father Beautiful, Wonderful. Well, thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 4: It was so fun.
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