WEBVTT - "Cheerleading" w/ Atsuko Okatsuka

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone? You were listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Stradia lab Bi coastally. Of course, I'm coming at you

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<v Speaker 2>skinnier than ever due to food poisoning. But I am

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<v Speaker 2>drinking Gatorade in a mug so that visually it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>look like gatorade. It actually looks tasteful and chic.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was saying, you're sort of like an actress

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<v Speaker 3>with a drug problem doing Johnny Carson and then her

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<v Speaker 3>you know, aunt slash manager is coming in. It is like,

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<v Speaker 3>just give her the blue Gatorade like she knows that

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<v Speaker 3>when the blue gatorade goes into the gullet, it's time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's time to say those talking points. And then she's there,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, promoting her big MGM movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's like and somehow she does pull it

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<v Speaker 2>all together and everyone is so moved and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna see this film.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to our friend Dana Dario's novel, which'm pretty

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<v Speaker 3>sure has a very similar scene in it. I have

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<v Speaker 3>had three kind of cinematic things happened to me over

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<v Speaker 3>the last twenty four hours. You want to hear about

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<v Speaker 3>the God Yes please number one. This morning, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>fans of the pod might know I am in some

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<v Speaker 3>ways cheating on Sam by co hosting a different iHeart

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<v Speaker 3>podcast that is a pop culture history podcast about the Kennedys.

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<v Speaker 3>This morning, I did a public radio tour. So here's

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<v Speaker 3>what that entails. I'm on a zoom. Every ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 3>they bring in a different local radio host to interview us,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they leave. And it was like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I had an amazing time.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like your fantasy.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like a window into eighties slash nineties promotional

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<v Speaker 3>tours because it's like you know it's someone who is

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<v Speaker 3>the host of a local radio station in southeastern Texas

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<v Speaker 3>or something, and his name is like Tony at nine

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<v Speaker 3>and then he comes in and he has like a

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<v Speaker 3>really great radio voice and he's like, so, guys, like

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<v Speaker 3>you guys are talking all about the Kennedys. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>the Kennedys are just classic Americana, like what's your favorite

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<v Speaker 3>thing you've learned, and then it encourages you to get

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<v Speaker 3>into it and you start doing radio voice, and it

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<v Speaker 3>just was so heaven to me. I was like, this,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what my life should be every morning. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's one one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, first of all, I want to respond to that

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<v Speaker 2>and just like please, this is so interesting because I've

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<v Speaker 2>always hated on the radio when they're like you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to one oh one point seven the Nash and it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be like we have everyone from h I'm dua Lipa

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, yeah, it's me blah blah blah. Like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always like, how did you get that celebrity? Oh? Ales Ayris.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been like, wait, are were they all there?

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<v Speaker 2>Have they ever all been there?

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<v Speaker 4>And it's from this is a It's always from that tour. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also, one of them always does like a

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<v Speaker 3>little more. One of them will be like, what's up, y'all,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Ariana Grande, Like one of them will we'll do

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<v Speaker 3>like a little twist on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, okay, so that was your first first time.

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<v Speaker 3>Second, I don't know about glamorous, but it's like moments

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<v Speaker 3>that would happen like in a sitcom or something. Second

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<v Speaker 3>is on my way here, ran into someone. I Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like truly two months late on sending a draft

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<v Speaker 3>two and like, it's just the terror of running I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't for everyone listening. There wasn't a hard deadline. I

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<v Speaker 3>just said I would send something and then it took

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<v Speaker 3>me a while. But it's like the terror of It's

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<v Speaker 3>very like Sex and the City Carrie running into her editor. Sure,

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<v Speaker 3>like the terror of running into someone at a coffee

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<v Speaker 3>shop and then having to like not quite address the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that both of you are thinking of, because this

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<v Speaker 3>person is like meeting with someone else and she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's my coworker Angela, and you have to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh hi, how do you two know each other? And

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<v Speaker 3>you can't be like, well, actually I am sort of

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<v Speaker 3>not sending the thing I meant to be sending. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's and then the third thing, which I'm trying, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to try to anonymize as much as I can.

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<v Speaker 3>I had an insane conversation last night where a friend

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<v Speaker 3>revealed to me that someone I've known for years, like

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<v Speaker 3>someone I've known for like maybe five years, is allegedly

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<v Speaker 3>a pathological liar, and many things I thought were true

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<v Speaker 3>are not.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, why do you have to anonymize this?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>I know this person.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know this person. This is like in my

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<v Speaker 3>non comedy life. It's not someone who can miss like

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<v Speaker 3>no one write in. It's not you know, you're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to guess it, but it is. It's like you

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<v Speaker 3>know that you know, Gray's anatomy writer that had that

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<v Speaker 3>expose written about her that and she like cried about

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<v Speaker 3>being sick and all this stuff. I watched the documentary,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh my god, this happened to me. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know what else, this is someone When I first

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<v Speaker 3>met them, I was suspicious. I was like, something's off

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<v Speaker 3>about this person. And then because they were like basically

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<v Speaker 3>nice to me, and because other people I knew were

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<v Speaker 3>friends with her, I was like, huh, it was my

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<v Speaker 3>instincts were wrong, but you got to always trust your gut.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust your gut with people that are like true pathological liars.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, just go on the traders, like no, just

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<v Speaker 2>like live it up, like there is a world for

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<v Speaker 2>you and there's a spot for you in society.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I do think that we were talking about this

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<v Speaker 3>with Parviti, who is who we support one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 3>is not a pathological liar.

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<v Speaker 4>But we can't stand hardly.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never stanned anyone harder, including every actress, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think there is just I really have come to believe

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<v Speaker 3>there's a certain personality type and they arranged from good

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<v Speaker 3>to bad. But it is a type that is meant

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<v Speaker 3>for reality television, and that is okay, Like it is

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<v Speaker 3>good that reality television provides an outlet for a certain

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<v Speaker 3>kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Person Yeah, well it's someone who's like deeply, deeply charming

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<v Speaker 2>and deeply like good at games and whatever. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like they don't want to be an actress necessarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, or they do and they're not and they don't

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<v Speaker 3>have what it takes, which is also fine.

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<v Speaker 4>George, don't say that.

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<v Speaker 3>Not I'm not saying that about anyone specific I'm just saying, like,

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<v Speaker 3>some of them do want to be actors. Sure they

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<v Speaker 3>will have to you know, we have to be honest.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure some of them do want to be actors. Of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's very sitcom that you were having all these

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood moments that and I was sort of laying in

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<v Speaker 2>a bed.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was about to say, you know, it's very

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<v Speaker 3>rude of me to talk about my amazing Brooklyn lifestyle

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<v Speaker 3>without addressing the fact that you have food poisoning.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been sort of doing that thing of like

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<v Speaker 2>laying and rolling over and looking at my phone and

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<v Speaker 2>like seeing emails and being like not even having the

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<v Speaker 2>strength to respond, yeah, and being like, oh god, but

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<v Speaker 2>now we're out in the studio and it have never

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<v Speaker 2>felt better in my life. Well, well, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>we should actually bring in our guests.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I would absolutely be thrilled to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, our guest is to die for. Please welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, otsico O Kotzika.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, beautifuls Hi, Hi, busy.

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<v Speaker 3>George B.

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<v Speaker 4>Busy, George B.

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<v Speaker 5>Busy being Hollywood life, not in Hollywood even close.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Well, I try, you know, wherever I go

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<v Speaker 3>as Hollywood. Basically, Hollywood goes wherever I go. Even though

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<v Speaker 3>I live in Nashville. Every day I wake up and

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I will like church, church is in you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I do feel that, like saying like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>blank in this town, or like oh you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>showbiz or whatever. It had a level of irony in

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<v Speaker 2>New York that it doesn't when you're here. It's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like, oh, no, you are. It just is Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>and it is this town and it is a small town.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes. And you over there with your food poisoning. I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, oh my good, this is Is it awards

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<v Speaker 5>season you're prepping for?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Sam has air quotes food poison he had he

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<v Speaker 3>did to prepare for the Lost Cultures as Cultural Awards.

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<v Speaker 4>I had to fit into my little suit.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, what So what's wild is? I actually

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<v Speaker 5>had food poisoning too a few days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, how did it feel for you?

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<v Speaker 5>Mine doesn't sound like it was as intense as yours? Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>because I wasn't like, oh so thin, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I mean. I wasn't like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I'm a little My symptoms are lighter than

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<v Speaker 5>what people typically, Uh describe is.

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<v Speaker 3>That because you are kind of stronger morally and psychologically,

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<v Speaker 3>would you say than most people? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh gosh, I don't know. That's a wild bold clan, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm just stronger than most humans.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure, I mean is a mental game.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I'm like, this is the fact that both of

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<v Speaker 3>you had it, like this is a Hollywood thing. You

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<v Speaker 3>are both preparing for a war season.

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<v Speaker 4>It's an epidemic.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, mine was pork noodle soup. How about you?

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<v Speaker 4>I think oysters? But I don't really know.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, you don't. Yeah that's true, because you we be eating,

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<v Speaker 5>We eat, and then you know what you know? Sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>you know immediately and sometimes.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you know immediately?

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<v Speaker 5>I kind of maybe liten that next hour or two,

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<v Speaker 5>and I I I live wild. I do things like

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<v Speaker 5>I left this pork noodle soup out overnight and then

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<v Speaker 5>I then I did it in the morning. I came

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<v Speaker 5>back to it in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you think so you got the poisoning because it

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<v Speaker 3>had been out overnight, not because it was on its

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<v Speaker 3>own bad.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I wonder, I think it's both. Maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's gotta be a combo.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to talk about these oysters I had, because

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not I'm taking my earrings off. I'm not like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not trying to fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they look amazing, by the way, for the listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>they're ritz crackers, but they these or a style I

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<v Speaker 2>had never had in my entire life. I didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to read the description because to me, oysters

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<v Speaker 2>are oysters. There's one style. They came I'm not kidding,

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<v Speaker 2>with a scoop of like Italian ice on them.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that happens. What, Yeah, that's very common.

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<v Speaker 5>Is this cuisine Italian cuisine?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, this is common.

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<v Speaker 3>Just because it's Italian ice doesn't mean it's Italian cuisine.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like it's a little shaved ice on top

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<v Speaker 3>I've had.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Yeah, well, I have to say it was more.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a scoop. It was not like a

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<v Speaker 2>shaving of ice. It was like a scoop of essentially popsicle.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were like different flavors, Like it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>like citrusy. It was like like one was like cotton

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<v Speaker 2>candy flavor. Okay, that's not okay, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is nasty as hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, one was actually cotton candy flavor.

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<v Speaker 4>Literally it was cotton candy flavor.

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<v Speaker 3>And was this restaurant sort of like super sophisticated molecular

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<v Speaker 3>gastronomy and that's why it was cotton candy flavored or

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<v Speaker 3>was it like trying to be populist and.

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<v Speaker 4>Was trying to be it was trying to be the

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<v Speaker 4>first one?

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<v Speaker 3>Really it was?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really I and this is complicated. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to like blow up a city's whole deal, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was in Portland, and I think when you hear that,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes it make more sense.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've been very surprised by Portland cooking and like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the food there is just generally so good.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree, it's the chefs. Yeah, the chef's the ingredients

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<v Speaker 5>they dare to eat wild, So I mean, hence you

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<v Speaker 5>know this Italian eyes, right.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I agree, I trust so important because I'm sort

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<v Speaker 3>of like you guys dedicated your life to this, like

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<v Speaker 3>not you know, if you're living in Portland, you've abandoned

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<v Speaker 3>everything else for the sake of two things, being experimental

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<v Speaker 3>with things that don't matter and being quirky and by

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<v Speaker 3>things that don't matter I mean food. I mean clothing

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<v Speaker 3>like that is your life, none of No one is

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<v Speaker 3>a lawyer, no one is a doctor. Everyone experimenting with food,

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<v Speaker 3>sustainable fashion, and you know, if you're lucky burlesque.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, but not diversity. They're not experimenting with that.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 5>But but but food and drink and you know the

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<v Speaker 5>other stuff you named, yes, hence, but then do you

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<v Speaker 5>think it was the flavoring or the oyster itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it was the oyster itself, but the

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<v Speaker 2>flavoring just gave me a red flag in general.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, that'd be molecular.

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<v Speaker 2>That be molecular. I also want to say, in the

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<v Speaker 2>topic of food poisoning, we'll move off of it very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know how it's like an excuse all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you want to cancel on something, you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I have food poisoning, Like it's crazy to actually have

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<v Speaker 2>it where you're like, oh, it does exist, Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just a catch all for like I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to come to the thing. It's like, no, you can

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<v Speaker 2>actually get this.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to know these circles you run in where

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<v Speaker 5>everyone's like, oh, you know, food poisoning, and it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Such a classic excuse. I feel like it's yeah, especially

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<v Speaker 3>like for like asking for an extension for a paper

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<v Speaker 3>in college or not showing up to college.

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<v Speaker 5>Sweetie, I'm I'm well, do you think I am?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>College, I'm like, bitch, college was I could barely remember it?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? What about? What?

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<v Speaker 4>Imagine?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>What if you what do you say when you want

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<v Speaker 2>to when you're on a show and you're like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do this anymore?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're like, oh, I just looked it up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an hour away.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought we're all about more. Honestly, these days, I

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<v Speaker 5>say that, like my energy or time can't really like

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<v Speaker 5>give to that right now. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want people to

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<v Speaker 5>think I'm food poisons all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's listen, and I agree. I actually I agree

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<v Speaker 3>with you. I do. I would not, at this stage

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<v Speaker 3>of my lifely about having food poisoning. I think what

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<v Speaker 3>I would say is like I would probably say something

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<v Speaker 3>like I put it in my calendar wrong, I you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>double booked. I'm I'm not you know, you'd say, which

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<v Speaker 3>I think is a soft lie. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>I would actually go so far as to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>my grandmother is sick. Yeah, yeah, I think these.

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<v Speaker 5>Days people would understand literally going like I don't you

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<v Speaker 5>know my energy, or like I overshaw you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>And I actually think, I actually think the more detail

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<v Speaker 3>you put into it, the more you're putting it on

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<v Speaker 3>the other person, the more you're like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>Like my cousin suddenly flew into town and she has

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<v Speaker 3>a huge problem and I have to go pick her

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<v Speaker 3>up because she actually is experiencing a really new virus

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<v Speaker 3>and is in the middle of a park and and

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<v Speaker 3>suddenly it just went blind and I have to go

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<v Speaker 3>there and lead her back. Like then suddenly it's the

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<v Speaker 3>other person's job to like ask follow up questions, whereas

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<v Speaker 3>if you ultimately just tell them I'm tired, they might

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<v Speaker 3>be mad at you, but they're not going to ask

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<v Speaker 3>follow up questions. No for su sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, And you said that long sentence like you've sent

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<v Speaker 5>that text before.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I was young. I do think when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, which is a classic mistake that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>liars make, Not that I if I as a liar,

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<v Speaker 3>but the Lady doth brotok. People think that by getting

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<v Speaker 3>more specific, you are being more convincing, and it's quite

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<v Speaker 3>literally the opposite, Like you just sound like a crazy person.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure, sure, I think it's complicated too, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I did have to cancel on something last night because

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<v Speaker 2>of real food poisoning, and so it was tough because

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<v Speaker 2>even though I, you know, I think I agree, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't use it as an excuse anymore as I once did.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like, how do you say, like, I have

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<v Speaker 2>food poisoning, Prince, He's not lying like I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, but for real, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can do that.

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<v Speaker 5>You can do that, throw everyone on an house under

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<v Speaker 5>the bus that's lying and say no for real though,

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<v Speaker 5>not like not like George or whatever, not like George's

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<v Speaker 5>food poisoning, but for real.

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<v Speaker 2>Real food poisoning.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to prove it, but there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>to except for now. Now, now we have the proof.

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<v Speaker 2>You've all seen it. You've seen how skinny a yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well that's what you should do. That's what you

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<v Speaker 3>should do is send send a photo. Send like a

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<v Speaker 3>shirtless pick before you just look emaciated. Look I'm so skinny.

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<v Speaker 5>Look at this tiny top.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm worrying normally this barely fits. Oh now I'm drowning

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<v Speaker 2>in it? Exactly should we do our first segment?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's do it. I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell?

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<v Speaker 4>Why not?

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<v Speaker 3>Ought to go? Our first segment in this podcast, which

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<v Speaker 3>is called Strader Lab, is straight Shooters, And in this segment,

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<v Speaker 3>we test your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture

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<v Speaker 3>by asking you a series of rapid fire questions where

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<v Speaker 3>you have to choose this one thing or this other

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<v Speaker 3>thing A or B. And the one rule is you

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<v Speaker 3>can't ask any follow up questions about how the game works,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you do, we will get so mad at

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<v Speaker 3>you you would not believe you think we're being nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh ha haha, we're all joking around. I so much

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<v Speaker 3>as hear an intonation that could be construed as inquisitive.

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<v Speaker 3>I am going to literally take a plane from Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 3>New York aka Hollywood when I'm here and land at Lax,

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<v Speaker 3>go straight to that studio and get frankly physically violent.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to see you try what you just described

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<v Speaker 5>will take three days to happen literally next to this studio.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding? I'll see you in three days a

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<v Speaker 3>week with the way Boeing is these days.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, George, that I have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a beautiful sentence in general. Oh thank you

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<v Speaker 2>the inquisitive intonation. I was like, whoa, he's going for

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<v Speaker 2>it today?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 5>No questions? Okay, boom, no questions from me?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, perfect, Well here's the first one. Okay, build a

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<v Speaker 2>bear or build a blasio, build build a bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Taking the train or aching with pain?

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<v Speaker 5>I love these rhymes. Taking the train or aching with pain,

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<v Speaker 5>Aching with pain?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, use your name taken or thou hast forsaken, thou

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<v Speaker 2>hast forsaken.

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<v Speaker 3>Liking your CRUSH's story or biking into a trash bin.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, like your crushous story, Hi Jinks and Sue, or

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<v Speaker 2>it stinks like pooh Hi.

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<v Speaker 5>Jinks and Sue for sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Susical the musical? Or using pharmaceuticals?

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<v Speaker 5>Whoa, oh yeah, can I say both?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, that's on that question. So we are going to

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<v Speaker 3>deduct points. But you can answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Both, okay, okay, both exchanging pleasantries or exclaiming Heaven's.

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<v Speaker 5>Me uh, exchanging pleasant trees?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Osicho, it's raining men. His name is Glen. I

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<v Speaker 3>paid in yen. Or your grade is ten?

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<v Speaker 4>WHOA?

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<v Speaker 5>Your grade is ten?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Georgie, and I have a question that actually in

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<v Speaker 2>your grades ten, did you mean like you received a

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<v Speaker 2>ten on the test or you are in grade ten?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I did so. It did occur to me that

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<v Speaker 3>it can mean it can mean both. I'm also I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like my intonation was not Was it that the

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<v Speaker 3>first part was also rhyming?

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<v Speaker 4>Say it again?

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<v Speaker 3>It's raining men. His name is Glenn, I paid in yen.

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<v Speaker 3>Your grade is ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yes, I thought your intonation was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 5>We knew, we knew the rhymes.

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<v Speaker 3>We knew.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not that wasn't why we wasn't the issue. It

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<v Speaker 5>was more semantic your greatest ten? To me, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>you're great. I would be telling someone guess what your

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<v Speaker 5>greatest ten? Whereas if they were in tenth grade, what

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<v Speaker 5>would the context be where I would be breaking when

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<v Speaker 5>news to them?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I hear you loud and clear. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that like who.

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<v Speaker 5>A loss memory loss?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe yeah, it's like it's a tenth grader that wakes

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<v Speaker 3>up and is like, what great am I in?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Your greatest ten? You're greatest ten?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? And also like who gets a ten on the test?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I have to be honest. Even if you fail,

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<v Speaker 2>you get like a sixty.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh see, I was thinking it's like from zero to ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, like they got a ten on a ten.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like on the runway.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes exactly, t yes, Oh my god, that would be

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<v Speaker 3>crazy if someone got a ten out of one hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that is your orderline, you know, non functional,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 5>You may need to be told that you're also in

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<v Speaker 5>grade ten.

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<v Speaker 3>And okay, that's a really good point. So it's like

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<v Speaker 3>your grade is ten out of one hundred, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you're like barely aware of your surroundings.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, you're in tenth grade.

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<v Speaker 3>So you better, honestly, you better like get it together

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<v Speaker 3>because college applications are starting next year.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yes, the person who hears this there go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a ten on my test and I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>tenth grade. It sound only tens ten cents across the board.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right, Yes, exactly. How this segment is making sense

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<v Speaker 5>to me? Yeah, now I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>So, speaking of tens across the board, OSCO we rank

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<v Speaker 3>our guests performance on a scale of zero to one

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<v Speaker 3>thousand Doves, which is named after the Lady Gaga B

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<v Speaker 3>side one Thousand Doves from the album Chromatica, which is

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<v Speaker 3>not represented at all in the set list for the

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<v Speaker 3>Mayhem Ball I don't know if which people have been

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<v Speaker 3>keeping tabs on that.

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<v Speaker 4>I have been keeping tabs on that, and I found

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<v Speaker 4>it upsetting.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually think it's it's the opposite of ari Astra

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<v Speaker 3>making Eddington in that Gaga is like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>we actually can't be nostalgic for Lockdown quite yet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>She's like that just happens, yes, because she could have

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<v Speaker 3>to doing Dramatica. Really is when I think of Chromatica,

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<v Speaker 3>I think of Gaga and Ariana performing with novelty masks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>at the like MTV VMAs, and it's like, I'm actually

0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:31.440
<v Speaker 3>not ready to picture that just quite yet.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is, have you gone back and watched that?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry to I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not sorry, we need to remember that we have a

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<v Speaker 3>guest I'm listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's literally I recommend everyone to go back and

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:49.480
<v Speaker 2>rewatch it. The Yeah, Arianna and Gaga VMA's performance because

0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:53.119
<v Speaker 2>it feels like when you watch, like you know, a

0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.959
<v Speaker 2>performance from something when like World War Two was happening

0:21:56.119 --> 0:22:00.000
<v Speaker 2>totally totally whoa whoa, whoa, it's like so weird.

0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, No, people were still figured. People were still figuring

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:08.679
<v Speaker 3>out where they stood. Because now there's such stereotypes of

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.600
<v Speaker 3>like this archetype is an anti masker, this archetype is

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.239
<v Speaker 3>like a liberal who is banging pots and pans. This

0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.520
<v Speaker 3>archetype is like January sixth rioter or whatever. At that time,

0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.320
<v Speaker 3>we were still figuring out where we all stood. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what you're supposed to look like?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, exactly, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So so basically we have to rank your performance

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<v Speaker 3>on scale of zero to one thousand doves. Like I

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna come out and say it, you did incredibly

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<v Speaker 3>well in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you were very confident in your answers. I

0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:45.040
<v Speaker 3>like that you did both for one of them, and

0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 3>I honestly think the fact that you did both sort

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<v Speaker 3>of like raise more questions than answers, which is what

0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:52.560
<v Speaker 3>it's all about. You know, obviously we are going to

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<v Speaker 3>cut some points for asking a question, but at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time, I feel like it's playing with the forum

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<v Speaker 3>to ask a question, and it's punk rock to do

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<v Speaker 3>something you're not supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and sometimes I think asking a question is a

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<v Speaker 2>gift because it lets us get mad for one second.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly right. So I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>like eight hundred ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa, that's an amazing score.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's really.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of doves. Yeah, that's a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>duff folks. That's a lot of dough that's one hundred something.

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't do the math fast enough.

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<v Speaker 3>That didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>That wasn't the whole thing. That wasn't the whole doves.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the whole doves. But there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of doves.

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<v Speaker 5>I can go home happy about that.

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<v Speaker 3>What would you do? What would you do if if

0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:39.000
<v Speaker 3>we actually sent physically nine hundred or eight hundred and

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:40.240
<v Speaker 3>ninety eight doves to your home?

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<v Speaker 5>I would Well, so they're flying, right, they're flying in

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<v Speaker 5>and it's not like you boxed them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, they are.

0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:51.919
<v Speaker 2>I think they I think they would arrive in a

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<v Speaker 2>box to be honest.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, so I insaid, instead of you would have

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<v Speaker 5>bought them an airplane, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm thinking helicopter carrying a giant like I guess

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 3>cage you would call it. But they are flying within

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.679
<v Speaker 3>the cage, but it's not a closed box. Like there's

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:11.479
<v Speaker 3>an air going in and out. Obviously, we don't want

0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:13.720
<v Speaker 3>to kill them. They can breathe, they can breathe, and

0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:17.119
<v Speaker 3>they're flying. They've actually created a really beautiful community inside

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 3>the cage, inside the Stradio Lab branded Dove Cage that

0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 3>we said.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're happy in there.

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.879
<v Speaker 3>They're happy in there. Some people have kind of emerged

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 3>as the leaders of the town. There's like a Zoron

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 3>figure of course, and a Cuomo figure. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>always one.

0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Of course, That's that's how it goes. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have balance.

0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 3>So they arrive. You know, I'm not sure what your

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 3>house looks like. Obviously in LA you have some outdoor space,

0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 3>which is nice. Would you immediately free them? Would you

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<v Speaker 3>choose some to raise and some to eliminate?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, eliminate. Eliminate would be a bold choice. I mean,

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 5>even if there is a even if there is like

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:58.679
<v Speaker 5>you know, a Cuomo type or whatever, you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>would say, well, int sting, you know they they I mean,

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.919
<v Speaker 5>if you think about it, right, nine hundred doves, that's

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 5>that's its own helicopter too. I would I would say, hey,

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, these boys are so silly, you know, they

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 5>these guys could fly, but no, let's put them in

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 5>a bigger flying thing, right, And I'd be like, oh,

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:23.679
<v Speaker 5>that's interesting. That didn't answer any of your questions. That

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 5>was you know how I would first respond.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, course, listen, we understand if you need some time

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 3>to like process the fact that you now are the

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 3>proud pet owner of almost nine hundred doves.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I would. I would try to train

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<v Speaker 5>some that's fun. I would you know, to to do

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:48.479
<v Speaker 5>male again, you know, reminiscent of their past. Yeah, yeah,

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 5>don't forget where you came from.

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh my, that's a really good that's a really good point.

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 3>And actually this could be speaking of Portland. I feel

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 3>like it would be a very Portland small business for

0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 3>you to literally have a small business that's like a

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 3>private dove mailing service. And it would be like people

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 3>would use it for their non denominational wedding invites. People

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:10.159
<v Speaker 3>could use it to plan, you know, a sort of

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 3>polyamorous retreat. They can use it to send invites for

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 3>a sex positive queer film festival.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, maybe tiny snacks if it's not too heavy, they

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<v Speaker 5>could deliver them.

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<v Speaker 3>To Yes, some chick pea chips, perhaps, individual individually revidually

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 3>chickpea puffs.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that sounds amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, you know, I forget because doves are pigeons too, so.

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 2>We need to have this conversation. Doves our pigeons. Doves,

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 2>they're just like their definitencies.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, they're just white. And you know, just like

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 5>everything in life, when something's white, they go, well this

0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 5>is better.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I do agree with you. It's like, not

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.880
<v Speaker 3>only is it racist, but it's also like quite simply

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<v Speaker 3>wrong that being like a dirtyish, all white bird is

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 3>more attractive than being a beautiful pigeon that has like

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 3>little stripes and stuff like I do think aesthetically speaking,

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 3>if I were to if you were to tell me, okay,

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 3>you get an article of clothing, you have a beautiful

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 3>dress that you're gonna wear the big Gala, do you

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 3>want it to be like more in a pigeon gradient

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 3>or a dove gradient? I would pick pigeon every time

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 3>you would.

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 5>I mean, because like, white parties are so big, you

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 5>know what I mean.

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:30.399
<v Speaker 3>They are, but it's not exactly. But a dove is

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 3>not fully white. It's like this dirty. It's like dirty

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 3>white gray cream. Don't you think I guess you're okay.

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 3>So you're like you're saying it's quiet luxury. What a

0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 3>white dove is quiet luxury?

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 5>A quiet luxury.

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Which is like a sort of minimalist aesthetic where you're

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 3>wearing just like a plain beige dress or like jeans

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 3>and a really expensive white button down or something.

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 5>That's how I usually they paint doves. I haven't looked

0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 5>at a dove in a while.

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 5>I feel like, yeah, you you really got a specific

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 5>color going on for them?

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the only does I think of our like magician doves,

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Like yes, And.

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 5>To me, they're like, oh, it's pretty like I don't know,

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.439
<v Speaker 5>I would just say white, but maybe maybe they're a

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 5>grayish off color. Maybe it's not as attraction.

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 3>You know. I think what I'm thinking of, honestly is

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 3>just that like they are naturally a little dirty because

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 3>they're outside, and so whenever I've seen a dove, I'm

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.919
<v Speaker 3>a little bit like someone needs to clean that, Like

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 3>this is not the pristine white tone that I was promised.

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 5>Yes, but I'm with you in that, and I'm with

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 5>you in that, like, yeah, they're overrated, Like why do

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 5>they get a better why do they get a better status. Yes,

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 5>to the point, they have a different name, right, it's

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 5>you know, no, I'm not a pigeon, you know, that's them.

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 3>A different name and a name that's like synonymous with

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 3>glamour and glitz.

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and Christianity and Christianity.

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 4>I mean a dove.

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 2>I would argue its closer to a swan than a

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 2>pigeon in my mind, Like I'm like, what a fancy words.

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 3>Totally although you know what though, unlike a swan, which

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 3>has maintained its chic reputation, I think everything named after

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 3>a Dove is kind of low reent. Like if you

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 3>think about Dove chocolate, Dove deodorant, Dove even just like

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Dove as a as a Procter and Gamble company or

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Unilever or whatever it is, it's not These aren't sophisticated products.

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, we're not talking about like this isn't you

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 3>know Louis Vuitton.

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's kind of sad because in a way, they're

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>like telling us that we're pigeons and we should aspire,

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.719
<v Speaker 2>yeah to be like there is something condescending about it.

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, this is how you know that doves are pigeons,

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 5>is you know, how they release them during a wedding.

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 5>Have a big dumpster, dumpster trash right there, and then

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:54.959
<v Speaker 5>when you release them, watch them go straight to the trash.

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, literally, they are. They are just like rats

0:29:57.920 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 3>of the sky.

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 5>There's still this. They'll be like, they'll go back to

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 5>who they really are. They'll be like, oh, you think

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 5>you think we're going to take off into the sky. No,

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 5>you know, they're going to go into the pilot trash

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 5>and be like, actually, you know, we're just we're just

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 5>cousins of pigeons.

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's something I'm working on. So doves to pigeons,

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 2>swans to geese. Swans are swans just geese? Are they different?

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:29.479
<v Speaker 5>You know, well because geese come yeah, yeah, right, swans

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 5>are just white geese.

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 3>Right wait, are they geese or ducks?

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 4>Whoa, they're they're geese.

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 2>The long neck.

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, swan and geese have long necks. Ducks have short necks.

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, I guess that's true. I guess I guess.

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 3>I was recently at a pond that had ducks and swans,

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 3>So they com mingle. Okay, so that's yeah, they're like friends,

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 3>but they're not in the same family.

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But like ducks and mallards are like kind of

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the same.

0:30:55.960 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 5>Whoa mallards is? Okay? See this is when that's straight

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 5>culture literally knowing the difference between what we just said.

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>In a mallard.

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I completely agree. Yeah, there's something about like this obsession

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 3>to catalog everything.

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean.

0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 5>I don't know what mallard is.

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 3>What's I actually also don't know what that is.

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like a type of duck, I think, but it's

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:20.719
<v Speaker 2>like I think it's like sort of more regal.

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.240
<v Speaker 5>Do you come from a bird hunting family?

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 2>No, No, but I've I've I've tried to, like I

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 2>tried to once have like a joke about like the

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>narcissm of small differences, but for ducks and mallards and

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.959
<v Speaker 2>how people like how like you'd never want to call

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 2>a Mallard a duck because they'd be like, well, I'm

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>a Mallard. We're actually extremely different, and everyone else will

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 2>be like, no, you're not, You're the same.

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 3>I think that differences is like the overarching theme here,

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 3>like all these things. Either they are birds that have

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 3>very similar you know, eating migration and uh and otherwise habits,

0:31:59.880 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 3>or they are pond bird pond creatures that are also

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 3>very similar and are just like eating random scraps of

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 3>toast that children are throwing at them.

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 3>So it's like you guys do yeah, what.

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 5>You guys are good at sounding like you're an expert

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 5>in every subjects.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 3>We have had. This is literally our entire our entire

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 3>m O, our entire career.

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 5>When did these two become bird experts? I'm like, I

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 5>just told about pigeons and then here we are, I

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 5>don't know, big old Like, wow, No.

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I honestly have to say that this conversation has been

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 2>like so vintage Tradia lab in a way that I

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>really was like, oh, this is nice. We haven't gone,

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 2>like done a deep dive on something sons.

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 3>Favorite thing, honestly, and it really is true that we

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:50.959
<v Speaker 3>haven't done in a while. Our favorite thing is putting

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 3>things into categories. It's like and making a theory about

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 3>the world from those categories. Like, Okay, now we're talking

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 3>about like Swan's ducks, geese, and what's the other one? Mallard.

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 3>Mallard like, I'm like, I'm so ready to spin this

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 3>into a theory about how those are the four kinds

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 3>of gay people? You know? Am I ready to do

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 3>that right now. Maybe not God, not after food poison

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 3>not after my big public radio tour, and not after

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 3>Sam's food poisoning. But just know that that the wheels

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 3>are turning and in a few months you're we're thinking

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Instagram carousel. Here's the fourte Yes.

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we can go into it, but we'd have to study.

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 5>We'd have to me and you, George, at least know

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 5>what mallards are a little more.

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 3>I know, it's really killing me that I can't picture

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 3>what it is.

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's like a duck. It's essentially like a type

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 2>of duck, I think, yeah, but it's like.

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 5>More respective which ones are the ones we eat?

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's a good question. Like if you're getting I

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 3>don't know, if you're getting a peaking duck. What kind

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 3>of duck is that?

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 4>I have no idea.

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 5>I don't think it's your typical, you know, green head one.

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think it's that whatever that is. You know.

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 3>I had pigeon and and you know, sorry for anyone

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 3>who's easily grossed out, the head was served. It was

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 3>cut in the you know, cross section, so you could

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 3>see like the head and where the bra and like

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 3>half the brain, and the guy that served it to

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 3>us goes, you know, the way you eat this, The

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 3>skeleton is actually so thin that you can just eat

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.919
<v Speaker 3>it whole and it's just crunchy, and so you take

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 3>the half of a head and just put it in

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 3>your mouth and eat it.

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 5>Was this also molecular gastronomy.

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 2>This was Yeah, did it come with a scoop of sugar?

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Let me guess Portland. Let me get this Korean restaurant

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:40.800
<v Speaker 3>inside a subway stop. Oh, like a like a fine

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 3>dining Korean restaurant inside a subway stop that you like,

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 3>you go into this gross subway then there's an unmarked door,

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 3>but it's like if you know, you know, you go in,

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 3>suddenly you're in, you know, you feel like you're in

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 3>like a London you know, like a sophisticated tasting counter.

0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 2>How was it?

0:34:58.680 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Honestly delicious?

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 4>Wow?

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 5>Brooklyn has changed?

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 4>This was in Manhattan?

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Actually, Yeah, Georges going Manhattan girl mode big time.

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 5>Easy pigeon restaurants, restaurants, easy Korean restaurants that serve pigeon

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 5>just off fresh off the street, fresh off of Manhattan.

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is the thing. It's like you hear

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 3>that and of course it's you know, it's not squab.

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:30.839
<v Speaker 3>But what there's like there's like a more sophisticated word

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 3>people use, but it's literally pigeon.

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 5>Squab, not another bird time I don't know.

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:38.879
<v Speaker 3>And of course you're like, you're like, oh my god,

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 3>a new thing like this, I can't wait to try it.

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.880
<v Speaker 3>And then you remember, wait a minute, there are pigeons

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 3>literally on the street, Like are these pigeons literally coming

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:49.439
<v Speaker 3>from above ground? You know, above the f train.

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is what I have to say. I've never

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 2>understood how we have different names for things that like

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 2>when they like a chicken is also poultry, I'm like,

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 2>just call a chicken, like we have the name for it.

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, I know, Like why have the second name

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:05.359
<v Speaker 2>just for when you're eating it?

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like a pig pig and pork yeah pam.

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pam totally. But don't you think that is to

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 3>distance yourself from the violence of eating this, you know,

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 3>beautiful smart animal, of course.

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 5>But fish is fish water, They chopped liver. We don't care.

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 5>We're like, yeah, that's fish.

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 3>That's just like you know, it's true, it's true. And

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 3>then sometimes you know you'll be dealing with like a

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 3>big turkey and suddenly someone will call it the bird

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, oh, sorry, have we gone full circle?

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Now they're like trying to incite more violence. They're like,

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 2>don't forget, we're killing you.

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, exactly, Oh yes, right right right, it's true.

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 3>It's true.

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 5>But again, fish is fish.

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 4>Fish is just fish.

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 5>Because vegetarians will eat fish sometimes and they'll be like, ah,

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 5>I do that though. I'm like, oh pescatarian right where

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 5>they're like I eat no meat, but fish.

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 3>It's like what what?

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 5>Because they're because.

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:57.760
<v Speaker 3>They don't blink.

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 5>Because they don't blink, you don't feel like they're real.

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, you're one hundred percent right.

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Prescarians are the most morally weak people on the planet.

0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like, commit to something.

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 4>Well, have your cake and eat it too, right.

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 5>Right, They're like, oh, because you know fish, and it's like, what,

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 5>they don't have feelings. I think it's because fish don't blink.

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 5>So they're like, oh, it's definitely fish don't blink.

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:25.320
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I don't breathe underwater like I'm breathing oxygen.

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they breathe water. They're they're othered because they

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 2>breathe water.

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 3>You know pescatarians. It's like, yeah, I feel about It's

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 3>how I feel about people with one minimalist tattoo. I'm like,

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 3>either be tattooed or don't be Either have h like,

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 3>have the courage to have full sleeves and you know,

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 3>a portrait of your late aunt on your chest, or

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 3>go to work at the consulting firm. Don't try to

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 3>have it both ways. Don't have a origami sailboat on

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:00.800
<v Speaker 3>your ankle.

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 4>Done.

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:04.320
<v Speaker 5>That's cute.

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was like, oh that's cute.

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, what I'm going to get that.

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 3>Literally The reason I mentioned is because that's the touchtoo

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 3>I wanted when I was in my twenties.

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 2>Should we get into our topic today? Yes, So this

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.399
<v Speaker 2>is interesting. We're doing something that's kind of brand new,

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.399
<v Speaker 2>which is that we asked Otsco sort of what her

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 2>vibe is and what, you know, sort of things she

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 2>used to do that could be construed us straight and

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>she brought up cheerleading, which we George and I both

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 2>jumped at and said, that's so genius. We never talked

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 2>about cheerleading. We have to talk about cheerleading, and Osco said, well,

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's straight. So we have now decided

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 2>that we need to have an official debate.

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well where the cheerleading is straight or to convince

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Otsico that it's straight. But before that, Otsco, I actually

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 3>would love it if you know, take take the idea

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 3>of straight or gay off your mind, and I just

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 3>want you to sort of tell us about your cheerleading past,

0:38:57.600 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 3>like where was it, what was it, like, how did

0:38:59.920 --> 0:39:02.360
<v Speaker 3>you get into it? Did you enjoy ages?

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 4>What type do you miss it?

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Do you feel like you're quote a cheerleader at heart

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 3>and comedy as your plan B.

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 5>I'm a cheerleader in like, that's like my perspective, you know,

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.080
<v Speaker 5>I'm very like yes, and I'm always like you go girl,

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 5>you go get them, you know, I'm very like I'm

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 5>kind of like a little John two people.

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Sure you know? Yeah, yeah, you're the little John of comedy. Yes,

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 3>you're saying that.

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 5>Well, even in my stand up, I talk about the

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 5>things I love. It's not me complaining about things things

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 5>I hate. No, it's like me defending even like the

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 5>live laugh love sign, because life is hard what we like.

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 5>I don't think you should judge anyone for being genuinely

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 5>stoked about something you know that. That's like, that's me.

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 5>So I think I am actually still a cheerleader, you know,

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 5>like at heart or you know, which whatnot. Our squad,

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 5>you know, some people, depending on where you grew up

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 5>in the United States, some people when they hear that

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 5>I was a cheerleader, They're like, oh, you were a jock,

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 5>you know, and I'm like, no, Like our squad was

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 5>like it was full of girls that were like, if

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.760
<v Speaker 5>it wasn't for cheer I would have joined a gang,

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 5>you know.

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:13.759
<v Speaker 2>And that.

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 5>Was my girls. It was like mostly Latinas and black girls,

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 5>and we were like self taught. It was like some

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 5>of the girls like boyfriends were part of the crips,

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean, some of them had been

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:31.399
<v Speaker 5>shanked before. It was it was like that Venice High

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:35.640
<v Speaker 5>School in Los Angeles. Okay, oh yes, yeah, Venice is

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 5>like you know Venice. We were like the crips, and

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 5>then Culver City was like our rival. They were the

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 5>bloods and so like even the last day I our

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 5>graduation day, someone got shot on our campus, you know,

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 5>so it was like that it wasn't like bring it on,

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean.

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.959
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, so you were building community and like sort

0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 2>of doing cheer.

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:01.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was also like a harm reduction model.

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 3>It was like these girls, you guys were at risk

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 3>youth and you are just like just like Hillary Swank

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 3>in that one movie taught kids how to a journal,

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.840
<v Speaker 3>you guys were you guys were taught how to cheerlead

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 3>and that.

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:19.720
<v Speaker 5>There was no Hilary Swank character.

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 3>I see. So it was community you have a it

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 3>was community based. You taught you taught yourselves.

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, yeah, we yeah, we didn't even have a

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 5>coach until like our third year, and it was a

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.920
<v Speaker 5>blonde woman that the school had hired from a gym

0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 5>nearby who was like a weightlifting teacher. She didn't know

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 5>anything about cheerleading, but they were like, she's blonde, I

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 5>think that's what you're supposed to do. So she just

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 5>kind of like chaperoned us if we had to go

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 5>away to games.

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 3>And was this a did you do any form of

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 3>like competitive cheerleading or was it always cheerleading a sports

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 3>game that boys were playing.

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was cheerleading a sports game.

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 5>So no, there was no way we would not be

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 5>able to even get into the competitions like one like

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 5>one person could do a no headed cartwheel that we

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.840
<v Speaker 5>were so self taught. That person was me, Oh.

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 4>Congratulation, Ariel, were you chair captain?

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 5>No, I I helped choreograph a lot of the dances though,

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 5>because I you know, I I had like taken dance

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 5>classes since I was a kid, and yeah, I liked choreographing.

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, okay I did do that. Yes, yeah, So

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 5>so straight or not?

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we can, I think sam Andi, I think

0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Samuri can like attempt to make our argument for why

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.720
<v Speaker 3>we think it's straight, and then we can have you respond.

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 3>How does that sound?

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:45.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean obviously yours sounds like a very unique experience.

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 5>It's gonna get dicey because okay, I already I would

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 5>love to hear why you guys think it straight, because

0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 5>sometimes it could get dicey. Sure if you're going to

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.919
<v Speaker 5>bring up gangs, because then it could get into race

0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:04.360
<v Speaker 5>instead of you.

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't you guys do something? You guys, gangs are

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 3>the last thing on my mind. Right, So it is

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 3>so funny that gangs have already come up, because when

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 3>I think cheerleading, I don't think gangs, like just on

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:21.720
<v Speaker 3>the very basic level. And Sam can you know build

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.359
<v Speaker 3>off of this. What I'm the reason I think it's

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:27.360
<v Speaker 3>a straight topic in a very obvious way is because

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 3>of its portrayal and pop culture. It's always like football boyfriend,

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 3>cheerleading girlfriend. The cheerleaders are the most girly, feminine, popular girls.

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 3>They are blonde, maybe they have pigtails or a ponytail.

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 4>They are the pop stars of the school.

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 3>They are the pop stars of the school. They are

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 3>also like bullies, and they bully the more like alternative

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:55.320
<v Speaker 3>you know goth girls that maybe are artists.

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.879
<v Speaker 2>They well, they're literally encouraging you to get in line

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>and support the team. Yes, like stopping altern support.

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 3>They're based. They're also like they are the precursor to

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 3>being a PR girly because what cheerleaders are.

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 4>Cheerleaders are hired.

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:12.160
<v Speaker 3>PR for the football team, and what the football team

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 3>is is basically the United States Army. So if you

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 3>are a cheerleader, that means your role is to put

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:22.399
<v Speaker 3>a kind feminine face on something evil, which is men

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 3>taking a running start and hitting their head hard on

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 3>their rival's forehead. Yeah, so it's like and then getting

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 3>really bad brain damage from it. So if you're a cheerleader,

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 3>you are complicit in a really really awful way in

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:48.359
<v Speaker 3>crimes against people's health, in warlike in warlike culture, and

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.360
<v Speaker 3>in the military industrial complex.

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, George, you really really nailed that. Thank you

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 2>have to say. I'm like trying to think of like

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 2>what you might have missed, and quite frankly, I have nothing.

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.919
<v Speaker 5>Don't you think? Also for me as a cheerleader, though

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 5>no one was listening to us, And it's actually a

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:13.399
<v Speaker 5>very unhinged sport because we're out there. We're out there

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 5>being like, you go, girl, you got this, when we

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 5>have no say in the game. Yes, we literally aren't

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 5>playing the game.

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 3>But that's where the pr thing comes in. It's like,

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 3>it's like being hired to write Let's say you're hired by,

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:30.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, a political candidate to write messaging. It's like

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 3>you're not in charge of what the actual policies are.

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.879
<v Speaker 3>Your job is to sell them. The policies might be

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:41.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, violent, right wing whatever, but it's your job

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 3>to sell them. And that's what you guys are doing.

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Like you have no control over whether they win or lose.

0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly, But nobody's buying us because this is what

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 5>would happen. Okay, our team would be losing, Like so

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 5>like we're at zero points and we still have to

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 5>be out there being like we go, girl, we got this.

0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 5>We just look demented and the crowd knows it. We're

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:09.799
<v Speaker 5>screaming at the players like trust us, bitch, like we're

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 5>like we're gonna win.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 3>No we're not.

0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 5>We've never won.

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, this really brings up something interesting and sad, even

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:19.160
<v Speaker 2>where it's like when do you just give up as

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 2>a cheerleader because your your whole thing sort of depends

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 2>on the hope that you could win. And if there's

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 2>no hope.

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:29.360
<v Speaker 5>You still have to You still have to do the

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 5>same messaging when the proof is right in front of

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.879
<v Speaker 5>your eyes. So I don't know how much propaganda we're

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 5>able to do actually when it's like, well, girls, we

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 5>can see our team sucks, and we're still doing I'm

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:45.839
<v Speaker 5>doing aerial after aerial after arial because no one else

0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:49.280
<v Speaker 5>has a trick. I'm tired by the end of every game.

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 5>I have corn rows in my hair because the black

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:56.320
<v Speaker 5>girls on this squad were like, girl, we give you permission,

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 5>We're going to do it on you, Okay. So I'm

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 5>out there just trying to make friends as an immigrant

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.279
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean. That's what cheer leading meant

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 5>to me. And so whether whatever messaging I was promoting,

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 5>okay I was. I was dizzy by the end from

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 5>the arials. I still had corn rows and our team

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 5>still lost.

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so I'm hearing I'm hearing the queer argument.

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:21.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why.

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm hearing the queer argument.

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.360
<v Speaker 4>It's female friendship first and foremost.

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 2>And it is also like like hope in the face

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>of so much loss exactly, Like it's kind of like

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:36.879
<v Speaker 2>still believing that like we can destroy capitalism, yes, when

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>it's like everything points to like no, we can't, Like

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:39.440
<v Speaker 2>we're losing.

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 3>So where did you hear? We heard it?

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 4>We all heard it.

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 3>And I think here's what I'm thinking. It's honestly, it's

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.000
<v Speaker 3>like there's a literal war going on right next to you,

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 3>and you guys are making little zines with poetry like

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 3>it's the it's the naivete of thinking that you doing

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:59.319
<v Speaker 3>a backflip could in any way help the team do

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 3>better or and there's something sort of I think the

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:07.720
<v Speaker 3>the the act of being on the sidelines is very queer,

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 3>like the act that it's like this is this is

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:11.240
<v Speaker 3>mainstream culture.

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 4>This is stray culture over here.

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.320
<v Speaker 3>What's happening, which is the football players, it's the coach,

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 3>it's even the people watching. The people watching are also

0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 3>part of the mainstream culture. And then you're coming in

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 3>and you're sort of this like side show. It's like

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:29.400
<v Speaker 3>you're doing so in that sense, you're doing off Broadway.

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:33.240
<v Speaker 5>A little bit. We all just want to be on stage.

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 5>We want to be in theater. But you know, theater

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 5>was expensive, and I mean so was cheerleading. But we

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:45.800
<v Speaker 5>had you know, we had like car washes and stuff

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 5>like that. We raised money. But I wonder why we

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.239
<v Speaker 5>had to audition to get into theater. Not all of

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 5>us could sing and stuff like that.

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 3>Did you not have to try out to get into

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 3>the cheerleading squad?

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:01.840
<v Speaker 5>We did, But know it was very like can you

0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:02.120
<v Speaker 5>do a.

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:07.279
<v Speaker 3>Cart with yeah that spirit? Yes? Sure? Sure? And then

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 3>were there men? Yeah?

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 4>Were there men?

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 5>They're actually were not on arsen not.

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 3>On your squad?

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that checks out.

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Here's my question for you, Sam, as someone who grew

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.840
<v Speaker 3>up in what I envision as like an all American environment,

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:28.319
<v Speaker 3>you know with whatever that entails. Sure, and I know

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 3>what my answer is to this. Did the actual reality

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 3>of the cheerleaders at your school fit in with the

0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:39.279
<v Speaker 3>pop culture image we have of cheerleaders. Were they in

0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:40.760
<v Speaker 3>fact the popular girls?

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I think for my for the school I went to

0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:47.759
<v Speaker 2>in Michigan, which was a much whier school, that was

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 2>the case, okay, Like it was a very like how

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the media depicts high school is true, like the high school,

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the cheerleaders are popular, the jocks are popular, and like

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>it trickles down from there and then But then when

0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I went to Virginia High School, which was much more

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.400
<v Speaker 2>black school, it was like not necessarily the case, like

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:09.600
<v Speaker 2>it was way more like less clear who was like

0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:10.480
<v Speaker 2>popular and who was not.

0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay, interesting because I would say the years that I

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:16.960
<v Speaker 3>spent and this was middle school, because then you know,

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I was in America high school. But in middle school

0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 3>I was at like a relatively white high school. It

0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 3>was like sort of suburban Northeast. I would say. The

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:33.120
<v Speaker 3>popular girls played like field hockey and lacrosse and maybe

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:37.040
<v Speaker 3>even soccer. Like the popular girls also were expected to

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 3>be athletic in this way, and it was the they

0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:42.400
<v Speaker 3>were expected to be like athletic slash preppy. It was

0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:44.560
<v Speaker 3>like lacrosse and they had little bows in their hairs.

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:50.759
<v Speaker 3>And the cheerleaders. There was something sad about the fact

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:53.400
<v Speaker 3>that they weren't the popular girls, but they thought that

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 3>cheerleading would be an avenue into popularity.

0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:58.879
<v Speaker 2>Well interesting, you know what I mean, Like it.

0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't they weren't they weren't I mean I think you know,

0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 3>it was a mixed bag. Maybe some of them were

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 3>also popular, but it was not in any way like

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 3>cheerleading equals popular. I would say the most popular girls

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:12.520
<v Speaker 3>were doing the like white people's sports.

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh that is really interesting.

0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we didn't have lacrosse and field hockey

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:23.319
<v Speaker 2>and those sports at my school. Yeah, it's very I

0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 2>think maybe that's yeah.

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:29.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it depends on what where the money is being

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:33.720
<v Speaker 5>sent to totally. Yeah, right, where they invest what sport

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 5>they invest in. So our school also had golf, Like yes,

0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:39.800
<v Speaker 5>like the rich white people's sports like golf and swimming.

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 5>Those were actually the more popular kids. So they were white. Interesting,

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.760
<v Speaker 5>So it's like, you know, it's where like the richer.

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:51.640
<v Speaker 5>It's just like, uh, how the world works. You know,

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:54.239
<v Speaker 5>it's like wherever there's money, you know what I mean.

0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, and that is the bigger through line is what

0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I've always said is like, whoever had the most money

0:51:58.200 --> 0:51:59.440
<v Speaker 2>in high school was the most popular one.

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 3>I also, actually I am not realizing the money thing.

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:06.800
<v Speaker 3>If you have money, you are or if you even

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.880
<v Speaker 3>like grow up in an environment where you are feeling

0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:12.320
<v Speaker 3>competitive and you're feeling like I'm gonna get into Harvard

0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna do what. You're much more likely as

0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 3>a girl to play a sport that will help you

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 3>along those lines than you are to sign up to

0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 3>be you know, just holding pomp poms? Yeah, yeah, like

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 3>you are basically a girl boss in training. You're like,

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 3>lacrosse will lead to my my Dartmouth application essay, and

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:39.720
<v Speaker 3>then that will lead me to Goldman Sax Yes, exactly sure.

0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 5>And into world domination.

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:41.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Now let me ask you something out to go. What

0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:46.160
<v Speaker 3>is your relationship with pomp poms?

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 5>Well, we had them, and do I still own them somewhere?

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:55.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't know. They picked up dirt real easily.

0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah it was hard. Did you feel like when you

0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 3>pick them up you got excited and were like ready

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:02.160
<v Speaker 3>to go?

0:53:04.040 --> 0:53:06.240
<v Speaker 5>What was I more excited about? I was more excited

0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:11.080
<v Speaker 5>about doing the dances and the cheers, the pomp poms yeah,

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:14.080
<v Speaker 5>pomp poms were fine. We didn't use them that much

0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 5>for some reason.

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.839
<v Speaker 3>I'm asking because to me, that is something that is

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:23.480
<v Speaker 3>so that's what takes it into this almost like self

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:26.439
<v Speaker 3>mocking thing. It's like, if you don't have pomp poms,

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:29.279
<v Speaker 3>you're doing dance and you're doing gymnastics, and it's easy

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.000
<v Speaker 3>to argue like we are doing something that is actually challenging,

0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 3>it is a real sport. You suddenly add pomp poms

0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.840
<v Speaker 3>to it, and it's like you're making fun of these people.

0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.319
<v Speaker 3>Like it's like you're like a circus act. You're like, don't,

0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:43.160
<v Speaker 3>don't take me seriously. I'm just kidding. Yeah.

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 5>I wonder if that's why we didn't use them as much,

0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 5>because we also were trying to do stunts too, you know,

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:53.399
<v Speaker 5>like throwing girls, throwing girls in the air, you know, right,

0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:54.520
<v Speaker 5>they had to do you know.

0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 2>You're doing that self taught. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

0:53:57.360 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 2>so dangerous.

0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 5>Yes, but you know, you just I mean I was

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.480
<v Speaker 5>always on the bottom. I could never but the girls

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 5>on the top were very light. They were very light.

0:54:05.600 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 5>It's almost like they were flying themselves.

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:10.560
<v Speaker 5>We just kind of threw and like hoped and then

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:11.239
<v Speaker 5>we would catch you.

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:13.160
<v Speaker 3>You actually had to pull them down because they were floating.

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 5>They floating. Yeah, they were like, oh no, she's she's

0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:17.879
<v Speaker 5>so light.

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.280
<v Speaker 4>They're much like me right now after my food poisoning.

0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, they all had food poisoning.

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:26.520
<v Speaker 5>Yes, oh she's so ready for the means, you know,

0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 5>and we had to Yeah, we had to bring them

0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.560
<v Speaker 5>back down. I wonder if that's why because we were like,

0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:35.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, yeah, I think the pompoms is more decoration, honestly, honestly,

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:39.880
<v Speaker 5>and so yeah, so we didn't use that as much.

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.279
<v Speaker 5>I think about those girls a lot, you know, and

0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:46.560
<v Speaker 5>uh yeah, like you were saying with like gold Man Sacks,

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:49.799
<v Speaker 5>you gotta do, Yeah, the cross takes you there. You know.

0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 5>For us, cheerleading was like it's like the save we

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:55.839
<v Speaker 5>got to save the community center down the street kind

0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 5>of energy. Yeah.

0:54:57.280 --> 0:55:00.640
<v Speaker 2>The way that you're describing this chileading squad is very movie.

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:04.320
<v Speaker 2>It's very like cinema about like the rough and tumble

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:07.399
<v Speaker 2>squad that like has to then compete with the rich

0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:10.560
<v Speaker 2>people and like they lose horribly, but like they win

0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:12.240
<v Speaker 2>friendship and whatever.

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 5>Right, there was friendship and also it was good because

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, I also was bad at academics to stay

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:21.000
<v Speaker 5>on the squad, you know, which meant a lot to

0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 5>us because it was community, it was friendship, and and

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:27.520
<v Speaker 5>also discipline because you had to keep a certain grade

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:29.880
<v Speaker 5>of course to stay on the squad. So that also

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 5>forced us to like try not to fail in classes

0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 5>and stuff, which which was good. You know what I mean,

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.320
<v Speaker 5>it was kind of Yeah, it's like it's like a gang.

0:55:38.840 --> 0:55:41.640
<v Speaker 3>You really keep you keep going back to the gang. Yeah,

0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 3>you really wanted to be a gang. You really want

0:55:43.560 --> 0:55:44.240
<v Speaker 3>it to be a gang.

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 5>I'm like good gangs were not mentioned during this debate

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:48.719
<v Speaker 5>about straight or not.

0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're the only verson on earth who could connect

0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:53.960
<v Speaker 2>chewing into gangs over and over and over.

0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:57.839
<v Speaker 5>I mean, they did it. They're the ones that said it.

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:01.640
<v Speaker 3>It's funny. I'm now thinking about I think you bring

0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:04.919
<v Speaker 3>it on, and I'm thinking about competitive cheerleading, and I'm

0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:10.760
<v Speaker 3>also thinking about, you know, the recent the recent story

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:13.799
<v Speaker 3>about how the Texas Cowboys cheerleaders finally like reached a

0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:16.480
<v Speaker 3>contract where they can be paid a living wage. And

0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:20.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm just thinking there is something so inherently tragic, like

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:23.760
<v Speaker 3>in a true like Greek tragedy way about the sport

0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:29.479
<v Speaker 3>of cheerleading because you are in this inherently supporting role,

0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:32.000
<v Speaker 3>like no one is quote unquote there to see you

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 3>if you are the cheerleaders for a sporting game that

0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:36.160
<v Speaker 3>people are at, and.

0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:39.360
<v Speaker 5>It's the only sport where you're supporting another sport exactly,

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.360
<v Speaker 5>people are actually there to see exactly.

0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 3>And so within this definitionally second class citizenship, you are

0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:51.200
<v Speaker 3>fighting for rights. But it's so difficult to make the

0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 3>argument because of course you are not at the quote

0:56:55.719 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 3>unquote at the level of the athlete, because you're by

0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 3>definition the one supporting them, like you are literally there

0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:07.000
<v Speaker 3>to cheer them on. But then you still deserve you know,

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.520
<v Speaker 3>higher pay and equal rights, and so you are in

0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:15.560
<v Speaker 3>this bind where you will never actually reach equality. And

0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:19.440
<v Speaker 3>it almost like mirrors, truly mirrors like the struggle of

0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 3>women throughout history.

0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's something about like the way cheerleading was founded,

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 2>because I do think the place where cheerleading is now

0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:31.120
<v Speaker 2>it is a sport if you're like doing like the

0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:33.320
<v Speaker 2>competitions are insane, and the way they have to be

0:57:33.640 --> 0:57:34.960
<v Speaker 2>so good at it is insane.

0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 5>It's wild because you're cheering nobody. You're cheering nobody.

0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:40.600
<v Speaker 2>You're like performing what it would be like to cheer

0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 2>someone on, Yes.

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.640
<v Speaker 5>Exactly, just it's just your mom's in the crowd because

0:57:44.680 --> 0:57:47.680
<v Speaker 5>they drove you there. Yeah, and you're still doing full

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:51.960
<v Speaker 5>blown routines. Go go, go, generally go you who are

0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:56.920
<v Speaker 5>you pumping up? Just generally? Everyone feel good? That's wild.

0:57:57.200 --> 0:57:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's like and the whole thing is like flawed

0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 2>from like from birth, Like they've tried to take this

0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.680
<v Speaker 2>thing and be like it's you know, in the fifties,

0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like the girls cheering on the boys, and then

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:10.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like, okay, over time it's become a genuine sport,

0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:12.760
<v Speaker 2>but it's still based in two boys people.

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:15.640
<v Speaker 4>So it's like you have to like erase the past.

0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 2>You need to like restart, Julie, do you know what

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 2>it reminds me of now it's just dancing gymnastics.

0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:25.000
<v Speaker 3>It reminds me of beauty pageants because beauty pageants are inherently,

0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:30.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, just on a literal level, misogynistic. If it

0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:33.480
<v Speaker 3>is a competition for who's most beautiful, of course that

0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:37.720
<v Speaker 3>is you know, a sexist event. But as they have

0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:40.840
<v Speaker 3>evolved along with the times, it becomes a scholarship, it

0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:43.800
<v Speaker 3>becomes also an interview portion where you prove that you

0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:46.840
<v Speaker 3>are smart and worldly and thoughtful, and so then you're

0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:50.439
<v Speaker 3>sort of are in this midway point where you can't win,

0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Like you can't can't argue that it's good, and you

0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.760
<v Speaker 3>can't argue that it's bad and you're not getting paid.

0:58:57.600 --> 0:58:59.919
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, you still have to be hot.

0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:03.480
<v Speaker 3>It exactly at the same time, it's like you have

0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 3>to be hot, but then you also have to be

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:07.400
<v Speaker 3>constantly talking about how amazing it is that you are

0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.280
<v Speaker 3>in such a diverse group of people that are all hot.

0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, totally, totally. Yeah. Yeah, it's a you know,

0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:18.920
<v Speaker 5>it's a it's just for show. It's a vibe. It's

0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 5>a vibe, and I think.

0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 3>That's actually the that's the gayest thing about it. I

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:25.840
<v Speaker 3>would say it's like the theater element of it, the

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.080
<v Speaker 3>costume element of it, the pom poms, the pageantry of

0:59:29.120 --> 0:59:33.120
<v Speaker 3>it is very queer. But the fact that it is

0:59:33.160 --> 0:59:35.440
<v Speaker 3>a barnacle on the side of like the NFL, is

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:36.600
<v Speaker 3>what makes it straight.

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Right right right barnacle. Yeah, Okay, here's what I'm imagining.

0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 4>Hear me out.

0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:44.600
<v Speaker 2>This is a okay, so the same that you had

0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:48.720
<v Speaker 2>your like girl friendship gay guys in high school need

0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:50.880
<v Speaker 2>an outlet as well, And I think they almost need

0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:54.040
<v Speaker 2>an anti cheerleading squad where they can like spread rumors

0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:57.720
<v Speaker 2>and lies about the opposing team and potentially like bring

0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:00.240
<v Speaker 2>the vibe down a lot and be like maybe like

1:00:00.280 --> 1:00:04.360
<v Speaker 2>a school Twitter account or something and just like spray

1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:06.800
<v Speaker 2>like rancid lies about the other team, and then they

1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.320
<v Speaker 2>could all connect and have something to bond over.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saying, you know, cheerleaders are, as we've said, publicists,

1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:14.600
<v Speaker 3>but what we need is bloggers.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, that's it, right, Every school needs its own gawker.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, are their uniforms too though, Yeah, Uniclo.

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<v Speaker 4>Is going to make the uniforms.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Uniclo is going to make the uniforms. Are going

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<v Speaker 3>to be really boxy.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, let them shine, let them soar. These bloggers, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know from experience, bloggers are not allowed to shine. They

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<v Speaker 3>have to remain in their basement and there on their keyboards.

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<v Speaker 5>So the gays are just still like like locked indoors,

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<v Speaker 5>not there.

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<v Speaker 4>But they can't be fabulous. They are.

1:00:52.120 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 3>They're like they're like Perez Hilton in his case, drawing, drawing,

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<v Speaker 3>Come on on, Misha Barton, and.

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<v Speaker 5>The positive is hey, at least you get to be

1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:07.920
<v Speaker 5>gay exactly. At least it's you. At least it's your

1:01:07.960 --> 1:01:11.680
<v Speaker 5>authentic self. But you can't go outside, yeah and want

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<v Speaker 5>to be doing dances.

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<v Speaker 3>Nope, Nope.

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<v Speaker 4>For many, grab the computer, baby.

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<v Speaker 3>For many gays, being on the computer and being mean

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<v Speaker 3>is being their authentic self much more than you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever else the liberal media will have you believe.

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<v Speaker 5>No, of course, of course, but all of them, what

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<v Speaker 5>if I mean? And then some of them, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>some of them want to be on the squad.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is why it gets difficult to.

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't even mentioned gay guys on the squad exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, of course, that's the craziest part of it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Where it's like the way that the moment a guy

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<v Speaker 2>is on the squad, his sexuality is called into the

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<v Speaker 2>question in a huge way. And if he is straight,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like a straight guy being in theater,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like, if he is straight, it's like, I mean,

1:01:51.440 --> 1:01:52.760
<v Speaker 2>it's much worse, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Because a straight guy being in theater, at least you

1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:57.800
<v Speaker 3>can be like, oh, that's a leading man, that's Marlon Brando. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no equivalent of a straight there's no a straight

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<v Speaker 3>cheerleader role model.

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<v Speaker 5>Wait, can I tell you though, there's four former I

1:02:04.960 --> 1:02:06.840
<v Speaker 5>know a lot about this because I've talked about I

1:02:06.960 --> 1:02:09.840
<v Speaker 5>talked about it a lot in my latest special. Actually,

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<v Speaker 5>but there were four US presidents for former US presidents

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<v Speaker 5>former of course.

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<v Speaker 2>They're former four US president trum Trump, Trump and.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump who were cheerleaders?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait which ones? Which ones?

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<v Speaker 5>So it was Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and then

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<v Speaker 5>there was one more.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, these are big, big ones, big ones, like

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<v Speaker 3>these are ones I've heard of. Let's say that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that is so surprising.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. I actually do remember, you know when liberals and

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<v Speaker 3>Roosevelt sorry wow, oh FDR or other one? Oh my god, oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah FDR yeah, FDR.

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<v Speaker 3>The Yeah, I do know about George W. Bush because

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<v Speaker 3>that was a classic case of liberals doing the thing

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<v Speaker 3>where they're accidentally homophobic to criticize the Republican, like people

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<v Speaker 3>being like, you think this guy can run the country,

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<v Speaker 3>he's faggy. Oh wow, is that right?

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<v Speaker 4>Definitely, It's such a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like when people used to like make jokes about

1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Trump and putin making out.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, it's so dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, take one breath and like think about what

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<v Speaker 3>you were saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm, I know, well maybe there's something insidious about

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<v Speaker 2>a male cheerleader. Yeah, because you can, like because everyone's like, oh,

1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:26.480
<v Speaker 2>you're probably gay, where you can like almost like be

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<v Speaker 2>more evil. Well you can literally like are assuming you're

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<v Speaker 2>a cool gay guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's why that's No, it is literally true. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why straight actors sexually harassed because they're literally they're there,

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<v Speaker 3>they're on set, no one's suspecting them. Suddenly they're sexually harassing.

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<v Speaker 4>You're supposed to be an actor.

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<v Speaker 3>You're supposed to be an actor.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop it. Wow, what an amazing point this is.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, well, so do we not choose? Yeah, what have

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<v Speaker 5>we decided? I mean, well, okay, how about this oddsicle?

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<v Speaker 5>What do you think based on the arguments you've heard today?

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<v Speaker 5>You guys made really really, really solid points.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm like, maybe it is just straight yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>but I also don't want to take away from the

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<v Speaker 5>fact that it's got so many elements that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>are trying not to be the convention, right, and uh,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, maybe some of the community it's built. Also,

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<v Speaker 5>some of the girls on my squad were totally with

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<v Speaker 5>each other.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm gonna say. This is one of

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<v Speaker 3>those classic instances where it is a straight concept, but

1:04:36.440 --> 1:04:39.520
<v Speaker 3>queer people made it their own. And there's a story

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<v Speaker 3>of resilience in the face of so much prejudice and hardship.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's almost like how it's like how

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<v Speaker 3>gay people made Disney.

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<v Speaker 2>Gay Yeah, or like Survivor even or Survivor.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, and I will ready okay that all right.

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<v Speaker 3>We did it.

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<v Speaker 2>We did it. Well, that's going to make saying we

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<v Speaker 2>should do our final segment.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do a final segment.

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<v Speaker 2>Otsco a final segment. It's called shout outs, And in

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<v Speaker 2>this segment we payomash to the grand straight tradition of

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<v Speaker 2>the radio shout out, giving a shout out to anything

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<v Speaker 2>that we are enjoying. People, places, things ideas George and

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<v Speaker 2>I will go first, and I have one.

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<v Speaker 3>I have one too, Go ahead, you go first.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>What's up, theater goers and off Broadway aficionados. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to give a shout out to our friend Josh Sharp's

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<v Speaker 3>new off Broadway show directed by Sam Thinkleton called Tada.

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<v Speaker 3>It is at the Greenwich House Theater. I had the

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<v Speaker 3>privilege of going to opening night on my actual birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>That is how I chose to spend my birthday. It

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<v Speaker 3>was absolute heaven. Jennifer Lawrence was there. I had seen

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<v Speaker 3>a version of the show two years ago, and I

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<v Speaker 3>already thought it was great, but when I tell you it,

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<v Speaker 3>it was elevated into real capital t theater. And to

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<v Speaker 3>see someone essentially do an elevated version of PowerPoint comedy,

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<v Speaker 3>something we have seen so many times, and to pull

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<v Speaker 3>it off so well, to have it be so nuanced

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<v Speaker 3>and interesting and unexpected, and to not at all have

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<v Speaker 3>to like let go of the gay guy comedy sensibility,

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<v Speaker 3>to just like commit to exactly who Josh is, and

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<v Speaker 3>to do it in a way that even Jennifer Lawrence

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<v Speaker 3>can enjoy. I thought was so incredibly impressive. It really

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<v Speaker 3>felt invigorating and really inspirational, and I felt honored to

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<v Speaker 3>be his friend. And I just want to say, Josh,

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<v Speaker 3>you go Chica, and if you're in New York City,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how much tickets cost, but look it

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<v Speaker 3>up and go see Josh Sharp today. You will have

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<v Speaker 3>an amazing time. By the way, it's eighty minutes. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're worried about theater being three hours of these days.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna get and you're gonna get out. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>have dinner via Croda. You're gonna have an amazing night

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<v Speaker 3>in Manhattan. And I love theater, I love off Broadway,

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<v Speaker 3>and I love gay guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoo whoo. Well that was amazing seconded and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to see it when I'm back one day. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what's up freaks, losers and perverts around the globe. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give a shout out to the TV show

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<v Speaker 2>Say Nothing. Through having food poisoning. I've been like, what

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<v Speaker 2>TV show can I watch that doesn't step on what

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<v Speaker 2>I watch with Misha, And I said, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to watch Say Nothing. So I've been watching

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<v Speaker 2>Say Nothing. And let me tell you this show is

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<v Speaker 2>to die for. First of all, Irish. Irish is trending.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know this to be true. Second of all,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fighting an oppressive government. Baby, if you liked

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<v Speaker 2>and or guess what Say Nothing is and or but Real,

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<v Speaker 2>get this. It happens in real life too, much like

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<v Speaker 2>food poisoning and or but Real. All the performances are

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<v Speaker 2>to die for. I find it both inspiring and a bummer.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is so interesting and I'm only four episodes in,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't wait to get deeper and deeper into

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<v Speaker 2>Say Nothing. Thanks FX for the amazing Prestige TV. Xoxo Sam.

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<v Speaker 5>Whoo wow, I prepped something that was wrong. I think

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<v Speaker 5>what is your I thought we were supposed to like

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<v Speaker 5>shout out something straight.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's just anything that we like, but you can.

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<v Speaker 5>It was like, haha, shout out something straight.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, wait, I love that. I love

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<v Speaker 3>that you're shouting out something straight. Go for it. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't you want to? Well you can do it.

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<v Speaker 5>I can. Oh god, I thought this was like an

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<v Speaker 5>ironic like shout out something straight.

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<v Speaker 4>It can be.

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<v Speaker 3>It definitely can be. I mean we've shouted out things

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<v Speaker 3>we hate in the past, we've shouted out things ironically.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, perfect? Am I like the worst guest at all?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I loved this episode and I loved debating cheerleading.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, here I go. Okay, I mean I'm not good

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<v Speaker 5>at this. Hey, hey, you over there, that's who I'm

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<v Speaker 5>talking to. Yep, thanks for listening as Oh yep, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's Bippy me otsco okat Scott, your girl. I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I think Hayley Weaver. Her skin is so pretty,

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<v Speaker 5>it's so beautiful, and her skincare is you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>can't wait to try it. I just love looking at

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<v Speaker 5>I love looking at her face. I love her. I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's cool. She what she built, you know, and

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<v Speaker 5>then she sold it for I don't know, billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so that was wild.

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<v Speaker 5>Hope she uses it for good. She definitely will, and

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<v Speaker 5>she will and uh, that's that's skincare for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. I love that shouting out road road skincare, and

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<v Speaker 3>they really need the press.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what it's called road.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one dollars, she uses it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's like no time to talk talk about this

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<v Speaker 3>right now, But at some point we have to discuss

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<v Speaker 3>the lie that is these companies. Yeah, the skincare thing

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<v Speaker 3>must crumble, like I just simply, I simply don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you can convince me that Hailey Bieber is a

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<v Speaker 3>successful entrepreneur, You can't convince me that Kylie Jenner like who.

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot convince me that anyone is buying this stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I fully, George, I'm on board. I'm on board.

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<v Speaker 3>I refuse to believe what Forbes dot com is telling me.

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<v Speaker 3>None of these people are are billionaires.

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<v Speaker 5>There's that many faces in the world that need these products, and.

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<v Speaker 3>They believe Hailey Bieber. There's so many existing skincare companies.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, I know. I think it's right that you

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<v Speaker 5>have to be so good at branding. I mean, she

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<v Speaker 5>keeps her face moist, lolking her face.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh she is wet, wet, wet.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, and so you're like, okay, So I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>the I think that's the key to look you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in your twenties. But she is in her twenties and

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<v Speaker 5>so you know, but that's how you sell, I guess.

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<v Speaker 5>But there's drag queens, there's every pop star has a

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<v Speaker 5>skincare line and makeup line. So it's hard to chew.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess that's one thing we spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>money on. I know, as humans is like our face,

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<v Speaker 5>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's tough. I recently did buy a lip mask that

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney Sweeney recommended and I'm loving it. Right.

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<v Speaker 5>See, we all get influenced when it comes to a face.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the first thing people see about you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true. So I don't know. Well, damn well for

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<v Speaker 3>another time, But I just want to say, this has

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<v Speaker 3>been such a pleasure, Otaco, and please tell people where

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<v Speaker 3>they can find your special, where they can find your work,

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<v Speaker 3>where they can find you.

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<v Speaker 5>I Oh, I'd be at Otsco Comedy on my Socials

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<v Speaker 5>and then yeah, my latest special is on Hulu and

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<v Speaker 5>Disney Plus called.

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<v Speaker 4>Father Beautiful, Wonderful. Well, thank you, thank you for having me.

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