1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Hey, it's me again. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 2: It's Jefferson White with a very special episode of the 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: Official Yellowstone Podcast, presented by Win las Vegas. I woke 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: up this morning extremely excited about today's show. You know, 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: I didn't expect to get much sleep last night because 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: I was so excited. However, the beds. 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Here extremely comfortable. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: They have these very very fancy shades that sort of 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: block out all of the light of the strip. 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: So I slept like a baby. 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: And I'm very grateful because this is a huge, huge 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: day for me. Today I get to sit down with 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: the brains behind the entire world of Yellowstone. You've heard 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: this man's name over and over again if you've been 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: listening to this podcast, if you've ever had a chance 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: to talk to the cast of Yellowstone, you hear the 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: name Taylor Sheridan over and over and over again. Because honestly, 18 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: this whole thing, this whole show, this whole universe, this 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: whole world comes from Taylor. Taylor is the mastermind, the genius, 20 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: the brilliant creator, writer, director, cowboy kind of the maestro 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: behind Yellowstone. He's also my boss. He gave me the 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 2: best job I've ever had in my life. He's been 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: my boss for years now, so you can imagine how 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: nervous I am to sit down and talk with my 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: boss to interview my own boss. So, you know, pray 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: for me, wish me luck. I'm also going to be 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: spending time with the superstar executive producer of the Yellowstone World, 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: David Glasser, another man without whom none of this would 29 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: be possible. I owe the best job of my life 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: to these two guys, Taylor Shared and David Glasser, and 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 2: I can't thank them enough. We're going to dive right 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: in right after this. I feel incredibly honored, incredibly lucky 33 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: to have with us in the studio today, the busiest 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: man in Hollywood who never sets foot in Hollywood, A 35 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: guy who I think his work is honestly characterized by 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: staying too busy to talk about it. Much so, Taylor Sheridan, 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: the creator of Yellowstone, the creator of eighteen eighty three, 38 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: Mayor of Kingstown, and many many, many, many more facets 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: of a vast empire. Thank you so so much for 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: being here today. 41 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: How'd you get this job? 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: A great question? I thought I was actually going to 43 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: ask you that question, boss, How did I get this job? 44 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: I said, who's doing the podcast? They said Jefferson and 45 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: I said who. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, Jimmy. And I said, 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: oh Jimmy. Fuck did Jimmy get a podcast? You have 47 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 3: your own podcast? 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: I was talking to Eric Nelson the other day and 50 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: he said, we should send a picture of us to Taylor, 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: and I say, he's not going to recognize me. 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: That's a busy man. 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: Hey. So you were in you were in Fort Worth 54 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: a week ago for the celebrity cutting for the charity, 55 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 3: the cancer charity. That's right. They do every year, which 56 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: you won two years in a row. 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 2: Now, that's right. Well, the trick is that I won 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: when this year I won because you weren't writing, in 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: wasn't writing, and Nick won the year that I didn't write. 60 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: So this year I lucked out. 61 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: No, you got a buckle two years in a row. 62 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, to twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, Nick, one 63 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: in between because you were busy. You were busy making 64 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: maybe the biggest television show in history. 65 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: Well, you know, maybe the most expensive. 66 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 2: How does it this is? I've seen the first two 67 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: episodes of eighteen eighty three, and the thing that I 68 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: think that you do that nobody else can do is 69 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: hold these two seemingly contradictory things at the same time, 70 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: which is the myth of the West, the legend of 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: the West, and the brutal truth of the West sort 72 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: of hand in hand. That's something that to me characterizes 73 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: Yellowstone and very much characterizes eighteen eighty three. There's the 74 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: myth and there's the reality, like nobody else can do it. 75 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: Will you talk just a little bit about those two extremes, 76 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: the romance tick idea of the West and the brutal 77 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: truth of the West. 78 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: Well, the romance everyone understands. We were taught it in 79 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: schools and we've seen it in movies and TVs since 80 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: movies and TVs shows were made. And there is a 81 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: romance to it. There's a romantic notion to going somewhere 82 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 3: new and discovering some new place that holds this this 83 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: hopeful utopia. The reality is there were other people already 84 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: living there that that really didn't want anyone else to 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: come there because they were there and they'd been pushed there. 86 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: So you know, if you're really going to and then 87 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that there weren't heroes that went west. 88 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean there weren't heroes that defied those who 89 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 3: went west. But to really understand our history, you have 90 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: to be willing to look at all of it and 91 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: not blanketly say this whole group over here were victimized, 92 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: this whole group over here where oppressors. It's it's not true. 93 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: There were there were extremely desperate poor people in Central 94 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: Europe and Eastern Europe and in the United States that 95 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: were sold a lie that this land was open and free, 96 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 3: and they were desperate and sought it. So they bought 97 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: the lie, and then they went west, and by the 98 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: time they realized it was not the truth, there was 99 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: no turning back. 100 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: And I feel like that contradiction is very present in 101 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: characters in eighteen eighty three. So there's Sam Elliott's character, Shay, 102 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: who has seen who has confronted this terrible truth to 103 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: a certain extent, and kind of carries it with him 104 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: everywhere it goes. It feels like it haunts him. And 105 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: then there's Isabelle's character who is so new to this 106 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: world and sees it as that romantic idea, and then 107 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 2: it feels to a certain extent as though the show 108 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: is the process of her learning the terrible truth. It's 109 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: this slow process of being confronted with the brutal reality 110 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: of what it takes to make that dream come true. 111 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to a degree, yes, one hundred percent, and 112 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 3: she learns a lot more. It's really it was. It 113 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 3: was very interesting to tell the story of moving into 114 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 3: an unknown place through the coming of age of a 115 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 3: young woman and getting to you know, the further west 116 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: you go, there is no rule of law, so all 117 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: of the social convictions and moral codes and customs that 118 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,679 Speaker 3: help keep us in line don't exist. And what happens 119 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: when that happens. Incredibly beautiful things happen, and horrific things happen. 120 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: In Yellowstone, you have a group that is attempting to 121 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: hold onto a code that they've lived by for a 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: long time, as other people without a code come in 123 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: or at least without their code, so they have similarities. 124 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 3: I wonder if you picked up on any of the 125 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: subliminal connections between the two. 126 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: To keep uncovering those And I feel like thematically, I 127 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: see these these sort of themes throughout a lot of 128 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: your work. Right, there's like the narrative, like the contradictory 129 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: and conflicting narratives to a certain extent, and yeah, that 130 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: confrontation between narrative and reality. And I think, as you 131 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: articulated a minute ago, the incompatibility of well meaning people 132 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: with codes that they truly believe in and and seek 133 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: to honor. You can have good people really trying their 134 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: best to protect their families, and those those can come 135 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: into conflict with each other and be mutually exclusive to 136 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: a certain extent. 137 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree, and. 138 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: It's amazing, I mean, just embodied. Also, those contradictions, you know, 139 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: not to sort of obviously be a sort of dollar story, 140 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: a dramatic here, but but the sort of Sam Elliott 141 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: is the theoretically to John Dutton, this sort of world 142 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: weary soldier who has sort of seen this code be 143 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: tested and sort of fail, has fought through its failure 144 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: many times and becomes. 145 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: Lost everything he fought for. So what do you fight 146 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: for when you've lost everything? 147 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: And I guess Yeah. 148 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: Then being presented with this new hope to a certain 149 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: extent in the eyes of young people, of people who 150 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: haven't had the same sort of you know, traumatic experiences 151 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 2: over and over and again over the course of a 152 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: long and painful life, and I especially then there's this 153 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: this middle generation in eighteen eighty three that I maybe 154 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: sort of lines up with Casey's journey in Yellowstone to 155 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: a certain extent, So James Dutton's experience in eighteen eighty 156 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 2: three of having lived one life, having seen terrible things, 157 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: but still having an enough left to try for something better, 158 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: to try to sort of escape the cycle of violence 159 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: that he was exposed to in the Civil War and 160 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: to seek, you know, freedom from that cycle. 161 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: Yea, his venture west is a complete rejection of the 162 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 3: society that he lived in. It's a refusal to even 163 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: be a part of it anymore. So he went to 164 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: a place society doesn't exist. 165 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: And that's fascinating. Then also sort of embodied in the 166 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: contradiction between his wife's character, obviously Margaret Dutton and her sister, 167 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: who have these sort of different relationships to that society, right, 168 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: different ideas, one diferent carryovers from that society of how 169 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: a woman is supposed to be, of what what her 170 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: role ought to be in society, and then how, you know, 171 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: how Isabel Meae's character sort of is also coming into 172 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 2: conflict with that and sort of figuring out for herself 173 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: what her role can be here versus what it was 174 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: in the life she knew before. 175 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. No, she's going to a place to 176 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: where all of the restrictions that existed to control everyone, 177 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: to control women, to control people who didn't own land, 178 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 3: to control people who weren't in power, they don't exist. 179 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: And you get to decide. You get to decide who 180 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 3: you are and how you live, and no rule controls you. 181 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: The flip side of that coin is no rule controls 182 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: anyone else out there too. So long time ago, million 183 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: years ago, whenever, three million years ago, there were no rules. 184 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: People took what they wanted to take when they wanted it. 185 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: If they were strong enough to do it, they got it. 186 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: If they weren't, they lost it. And as society grew, 187 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: as people stopped running around and chasing food and started 188 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 3: growing it more, we all had to live together in 189 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: this place. We had to figure out rules of some form. 190 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: Right now, some people figuring out rules, figured out rules 191 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: to control others to get more stuff. Some figured out 192 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: rules to try and make this little tribe work better. 193 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 3: And it's been the same throughout history. And it's not 194 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: unique to the United States or Europe, or Asia, or 195 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: Africa or South America. It is human nature and it 196 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 3: exists anywhere we go. If we go to Mars and 197 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: someone sets up a village in Mars, they better make 198 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 3: some rules, or somebody who doesn't respect rules, and that 199 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: person is still going to cause problems, but now at 200 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: least we have rules to control them. Or maybe someone's 201 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: going to go to Mars and set up a lot 202 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: of rules that make sure he's the king of Mars. 203 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: That theme feels like it's present through all of your work. Effectively, 204 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 2: that idea of code's rules trying to establish a system, 205 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: whether it be through a state institution, you know, whether 206 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: it be through like actual legal pathways or a kind 207 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: of paralegal system code. You know, in the case of 208 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: the characters of Mayor of Kingstown or of the Duttons, 209 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: obviously their code is sort of legal adjacent, but obviously 210 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: also it breaks the law consistently. That feels like a 211 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: theme that sort of resonates throughout all of your work. 212 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: To me, it's the most important theme, and we have 213 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: not mastered it right. The rule of law and the 214 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 3: laws of nature. We're bound by the laws of nature. 215 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: There's nothing we can do about that. So we've created 216 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: a rule of law to govern ourselves. And you're seeing 217 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: right now an erosion and the rule of law in 218 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: this country. And as a result of that, you are 219 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: seeing the laws of nature play. 220 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: Out and the sort of simultaneous as you articulated earlier, 221 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: the beauty and possibility of freedom, the sort of ideal, 222 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 2: the kind of paradise that freedom can represent, and the 223 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: hell that freedom can represent, the sort of brutal reality, 224 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: the most brutal truth. And especially in the very first 225 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: moments of eighteen eighty three, the whole the way the 226 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: whole series is framed, I think is fascinating. And the intro, 227 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: the first sequence, she describes it is hell. She describes 228 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: this west, this wild place, this place outside of the 229 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: parameters of polite society, as hell. And then the next 230 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 2: time we see her heaven. 231 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: It's heaven exactly. 232 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's and that's Look, we're in Las Vegas, Okay. 233 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: Someone right out there right now, just one hundreds of 234 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: thousands of dollars, and he thinks this this is the 235 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: greatest place on Earth. Two craps tables over. Someone just 236 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: lost their mortgage. He thinks this is the worst place 237 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 3: on Earth. What's different the way they interacted with it, that's. 238 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 2: It so as you seek, as you see it. 239 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: And I don't know if gambling is the best metaphor 240 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 3: for that, right, because we're adding a certain element of luck. 241 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of luck to life. There's a 242 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: lot of luck to life. Now, you make a lot 243 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 3: of really bad choices, you're going to find yourself usually 244 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: having bad luck. You make a lot of good choices, 245 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 3: you're going to find yourself having a lot more good luck. Right. 246 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: But we all know pretty bad people who have gotten 247 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 3: real lucky, and I know some really good people who've 248 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: been really unlucky. As is so deep, Jimmy, I thought 249 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: we were going to talk about like the horses. 250 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. This is the thing that 251 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: I think, I think is incredibly unique to you. There's 252 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: a lot about the way that you write that I 253 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: don't think anybody else does. And I think that that 254 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: is in part what I respond to in your writing. 255 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: It feels like there's an unflinching honesty and an unflinching 256 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: willingness to confront some of the ugliest and most hideous 257 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: contradictions of life, of like life at its most fundamental, 258 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: you know, and then also on the other side, what's 259 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: amazing is you also have the incredible ability to write fun, captivating, exciting, 260 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: beautiful things, And I think that's a very difficult thing. 261 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: So I guess I'm curious also as you seek to 262 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: make these things as you in your life, the myth 263 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: of your life, the narrative of your life, as you 264 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: continue to explore that and live it out sort of, 265 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: will you talk to me about the experience of reconciling 266 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: your work, your work sort of staring into the abyss, 267 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: as it were, with your work staring into Eden, staring 268 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: into paradise? 269 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: Is there a question in there? 270 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: Barely barely? Boss? 271 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: What the fuck was? I know? 272 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: Listen, you got me trying to sound smart. Listen on Yellowstone, 273 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: John Dutton is exploring a lot of different options to 274 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: sort of economically save the ranch. And I look at 275 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: you as as a man who is an advocate for 276 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: the Western world, is a sort of diplomat on behalf 277 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: of the Western world to a certain extent, explors a 278 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: lot of different avenues to continue to economically reinvigorate the 279 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: Western world. Will you talk about some projects that you're 280 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: working on that you're excited about. 281 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: Well, this is this this beast right here's kind of 282 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: consume me for the past nine months. So I don't 283 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: beyond this, I don't I don't know what projects next. 284 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 3: I haven't seen my mail and you know, since April. 285 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: But but you know, I try to be an advocate 286 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: for for the West. I grew up in it. It's 287 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: an it's an incredible place, and it's changing, like everything changes, 288 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: but we try to control the change. We try to 289 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: mitigate the change. You live in New York, which is 290 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: a great city. Uh and and and it's frustrating though, 291 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: to watch Manhattan become because I lived in New York 292 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: in the nineties, to watch Manhattan become this theme park 293 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: of it itself to a certain degree, with these massive, 294 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: expensive department stores, and in all the neighborhood last time 295 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: I was there, it's been a few years, but all 296 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 3: the mom and pop, all this great little diner over here, 297 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: in this little cafe here, in this place, they're all 298 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: gone because they can't afford the rent. No one could 299 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 3: say that, well, they can't say it right now, but 300 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: prior to COVID, they could say, well, the crimes, there's 301 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: no crime in it's so clean, it's so great, and 302 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: there's so many great restaurants that no one can afford 303 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: to go to and there's no and there's but the city. 304 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: It's not the city that we all grew up to 305 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: the city we all in my youth, when I was 306 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 3: there in my early twenties, and you're there now. It's 307 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn. It's migrated, right, Well, the West can't migrate. 308 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: You build these places up. Then that's what they are, right, 309 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: And whether we like it or not, we got to 310 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 3: get our food from somewhere, and every empire falls when 311 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 3: they start importing it. When you do not control your 312 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 3: own food source, you are no longer an empire. You 313 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: are buying your food from the next empire. 314 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: Speaking of empires, right, the sort of horse world and 315 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: the horse training sort of legacy history, tradition culture. Will 316 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: you talk a little bit about that. That's something that's 317 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: been increasingly explored in Yellowstone season four, as John Dutton 318 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: and the Yellowstone sort of get into that game. Will 319 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: you talk about your own experience in that world. 320 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: Well, I grew up in and it was a dying 321 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 3: It was dying after the recession of two thousand and 322 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 3: eight because the performance horse world it's a luxury. Now 323 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 3: there's people who make a living doing it, and you've 324 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 3: met a lot of them, whether they're horse breeders or 325 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 3: horse trainers or veterinarians who work in the performance horse 326 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 3: world that are specialists, like basically sports medicine doctors for horses. 327 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 3: But it's a luxury to own one and go show 328 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 3: it on the weekend, not unlike people who own racehorses. Right, 329 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: it's the racehorse trainer's job, it's the jobey's job, it's 330 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 3: the exerciser's job, and the groomer's job. But it's not 331 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: the owner's job. Owner rodes some big stinking company somewhere, right, 332 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: and if the stock market crashes, he may have to 333 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 3: sell his race horse, and so will all the others. 334 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 3: But what and the same thing is true in cutting 335 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: or reining or cow horse. But what happens is when 336 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 3: that business isn't thriving and it starts to restrict the 337 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 3: horses that get bread and the babies that you have, 338 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: you start to see the quality of horse across the 339 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: country dip because people are not as invigorated to explore 340 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 3: as they're breeding these animals and making more horses. The 341 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 3: more people who are in the horse business, the more 342 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: horses you need, the more horses are bred not to 343 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: the same horse, and the hybrid vigor of that makes 344 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 3: a better horse population, better horses for the cowboys down 345 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: the street, better horses for the little girl that's going 346 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: to go barrel race or pole bend or do any 347 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: kind of versatility events. So it improves the whole industry. 348 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 3: And there's still no better way, say, and easier on 349 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 3: the cattle way to work cattle than horses. Can't work 350 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: them on dirt, Bikes can't. Dogs are too rough on them. 351 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: They don't mind horses, and they move away from them 352 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 3: when you go toward them, and that's how you move 353 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: them around. They're not stressed by it. So I really 354 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: wanted to and that's one of the reasons I wrote Yellowstone, 355 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: because this whole way of life after that recession was 356 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 3: crashing and all these generational ranches and that sounds like 357 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: this big rich term, but it's not. It's somebody eighty 358 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 3: years ago, ninety years ago bought a bunch of real 359 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 3: cheap land that's pretty useless for anything but running cattle, 360 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: because if you could farm it, you would, and they 361 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: made a living selling cows. Not a lot of them do. 362 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 3: You don't make very good money at it, and the 363 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: land values kept going up and up and up and 364 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: up and up until when they died and their kids 365 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 3: inherited it, they couldn't afford the taxes, so they have 366 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: to sell it. So then some guy from Chicago who 367 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 3: went skiing there a few years ago, Man, I sure 368 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: would love a place to go out in the weekend 369 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: break my family go scan. So it gets carved up 370 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 3: and developed and gentrified, and then they have that. Now 371 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: it's a free country, right, So who's to say the 372 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: guy in Chicago can't or shouldn't be able to buy 373 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 3: a place out in Montana or Wyoming. Well, no, he should, 374 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 3: but I'm trying to encourage him to not carve it up. 375 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: I'm not saying you have to run cattle out there, 376 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: but how about you just go experience it. How about 377 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: we preserve it because they ain't make it anymore. We 378 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: have not figured out how to make more land and 379 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: we never will. 380 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: And it feels like, yeah, I mean an extension of 381 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: your respect for this history, right, you as a remarkable 382 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: historian to a certain extent of this world. And it's 383 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: an incredibly exciting thing for me, as a fan of Yellowstone, 384 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: for you to explore that history very literally with eighteen 385 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: eighty three to step into that history. So I'm getting 386 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: a signal that I think we're out of time. Thank 387 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 2: you so so so much for doing this. It's an 388 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: honor to as always continue to learn from you. I'm 389 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: incredibly grateful for four and a half five years of 390 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: learning from you now, and I can't thank you enough 391 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: for the many ways in which you've changed my life. 392 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: So thank you very much. 393 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, thank you for that. 394 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 2: I can't thank Taylor enough for stopping by today. That 395 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 2: man's time is very, very valuable, and I'm grateful for 396 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: every second of it I get. Every time I talk 397 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: to him. I learned so much. I look up to 398 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: Taylor so much. I've been learning from him for years, 399 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: and every minute with him is a masterclass. 400 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: So I'm very very grateful. I need to take a 401 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: quick break. 402 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: When we come back, we're going to continue to talk 403 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: behind the scenes with executive producer David Glasser. I feel 404 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: so lucky, so humbled, so grateful to have today in 405 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: the studio with me. 406 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: David Glasser. 407 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 2: David Glasser is an executive producer of Yellowstone of eighteen 408 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: eighty three of a million other television projects in the 409 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: Taylor Sheridan universe and beyond. He's the CEO of One 410 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: on one Studios. David, thank you so so so much 411 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: for being here today. 412 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: Thanks so much, my friend. Thanks for having me. 413 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: It's such an honor and simultaneously a terrifying pressure to 414 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: interview your boss's boss's boss's boss's boss. 415 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: So now it's all good man. I could not be 416 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 4: more excited to be here and so proud of everything 417 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 4: you're doing. And you know, this journey we've been on 418 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: from the beginning has been incredible, man. And right back 419 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 4: at you, I could not be more proud of you. Man, 420 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: everything you're doing, the character, you know, everything you've taken 421 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 4: us on and in this show. Right here, you know, 422 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: sitting here at the Wynn Hotel doing a podcast on 423 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: Saturday afternoon, couldn't be a better day. 424 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: I think it really speaks to something that I'm It 425 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: just sort of strikes me over and over again. And 426 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 2: for folks listening who don't necessarily understand the role of 427 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: a producer, a producer means a lot of different things 428 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: in a lot of different situations. Basically, so will you 429 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 2: talk for just a second about your and It's hard 430 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: to talk about because it means so many different things, 431 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 2: and you, particularly more than anybody I've ever known, fill 432 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: a lot of different roles under a lot of different circumstances. 433 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: We just talk a little bit about your role in 434 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: all of this. 435 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's Look, it's an incredible and very 436 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 4: humbling opportunity to get because when you have a creator 437 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 4: like Taylor Sheridan, he's a big picture visionary, right, He's 438 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 4: got this huge idea, he's got this incredible cast, and 439 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 4: then my job is to make sure that we execute 440 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 4: upon that, right. So it's everything that goes into it, 441 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: from making sure that we stay on budget, we get 442 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 4: our locations, we get things done, you know, the sort 443 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 4: of relationship with the network and sort of just spending 444 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 4: plates and managing it all. So at the end of 445 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 4: the day, what everybody gets to see this incredible number 446 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 4: one show now comes with sort of being part of 447 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 4: this team. And it's really a team effort, right. It's 448 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 4: it takes a village to do what we do. And 449 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter whether you're at the top of the 450 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 4: food chain or a pipa on our set. You know 451 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 4: you've been there and working on a Taylor Sheridan show. 452 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 4: It's not about I, it's about we, and it's not 453 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 4: about me, and it's about how do we do things 454 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 4: as a team. And that's the really, I think, the 455 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 4: great thing, and so I'm super lucky to be part 456 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 4: of that. And as you know, every time we get 457 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 4: one of these scripts, it's like, you know, the greatest 458 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 4: day of my life. It's like I'm working on some 459 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 4: of the greatest material I've ever read. 460 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: What, as you described, so much of it is a 461 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: team effort. It's about an ensemble of collaborators. And one 462 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: of your roles particularly is as symboling that team is 463 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 2: taking these elements, these elements that can seem sometimes almost 464 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: irreconcilably far apart, right the world of cowboying all these horses, 465 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: right like putting together all of these cows, these cattle, 466 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: with these helicopters, with these legendary actors, with these incredible 467 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: technicians in our camera department. It feels like one of 468 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: the unique challenges of Yellowstone is assembling a lot of 469 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 2: different elements that don't traditionally fit together. And it feels 470 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: like part of the people response to yellows notice about 471 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: these things is seeing these these these elements combined on 472 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: television for the first time on a scale that wasn't 473 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: possible until you started doing it. 474 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 4: Well, look, that's the exciting part about it. You know, 475 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 4: as a producer, you get to do different things right, 476 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 4: You almost get to make yourself up as a completely 477 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 4: different person as you sort of go forward. You know, 478 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 4: it was a world that I didn't know. And with 479 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 4: Taylor Sheridan, as you know, you get a very quick 480 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 4: education on what to do, what not to do, and 481 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: where are the pitfalls. You know, he is the expert 482 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 4: when it comes to the cows, the cattle. My job 483 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 4: is to make sure that everything is getting there. It 484 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 4: gets done when it is. But listen, I've I've learned 485 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 4: the world. I've learned to actually respect the world at 486 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 4: the highest level because it's truly incredible. I love our 487 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 4: wranglers and our cowboys and the people that I've met 488 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 4: both on the show and off the show. And even 489 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 4: in one late night, maybe slightly drinking night with Taylor, 490 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: I ended up buying a cutting horse, which we now own. 491 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 4: So we own a cutting horse, and I think, you know, 492 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 4: it was great because we made it the futurity on 493 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 4: the first time, so it was like it was great 494 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 4: because I really thought I actually knew what I was doing, 495 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 4: but it was a little bit of luck. But you know, 496 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 4: it's one of those things where I think, as you 497 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 4: sort of you know, as you know, you get into 498 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 4: a new world like this, it's all brand new, and 499 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 4: so I think sort of watching Taylor's lead and following 500 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 4: it and sort of figuring out, Okay, what does he need, 501 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 4: how are we going to do it, and how we're 502 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: going to execute what he wants and that's the job, 503 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 4: right And we've learned so much now we're now you know, 504 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 4: not everybody is a is a cutting champion like you, 505 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 4: my friend after last week at the at the Caarity event, 506 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 4: so you know, don't worry. We all know where you're 507 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 4: going in your cutting career. 508 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 2: I thank you so much. You were contractually obligated to 509 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: mention that, and I thank you for obliging that that 510 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: contract as. 511 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 4: Sheridan's will be very happy. 512 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: As I talked to all these different actors and sort 513 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: of crew involved in these shows, something that comes up 514 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: over and over again is the immersive quality not just 515 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 2: of the content itself, not just of the show, but 516 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: also the experience of working on the show. Working on 517 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: these shows means being fully immersed in a world that 518 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: is new to a lot of us. Right for us, 519 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: it means being in Montana, it means being in West Testing, 520 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: being in West Texas, being surrounded by the world even 521 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 2: as you create it. So will you speak about your 522 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: experience also of traveling with these shows, of really being 523 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: immersed in these worlds. 524 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 4: Look, I think you know, starting with Cowboy Camp that 525 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 4: most people want I explain what Cowboy Camp is. It's 526 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 4: sort of Taylor's version of, you know, leaving the city behind, 527 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 4: getting out there and sort of being one with the 528 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 4: worlds who really understand it for you as an actor, 529 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 4: but even for us producers and partners on the show. 530 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 4: So sort of everybody can sort of do what they can. 531 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 4: But I think the experience is part of what I 532 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: think makes the show what it is. We're all out 533 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 4: there right on Yellowstone, We're out on that ranch or 534 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 4: in those fields, you know, deep in those fields on 535 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 4: a daily basis, working together. You know, we're not in 536 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 4: we're not on a stage somewhere. You know very little 537 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 4: of that. And on eighteen eighty three, that journey was 538 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 4: something that was was definitely something I don't think I 539 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 4: was ready for I think even for Taylor he was 540 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 4: ready for it. He warned us what it was going 541 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 4: to be. But taking a wagon train in the eighteen 542 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 4: hundred show with thirty wagon trains across America is pretty spectacular, 543 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 4: and there's no cover sets. We maybe had a few 544 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 4: days of cover sets, and a cover set is a 545 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 4: place you can go to when it rains, when it snows, 546 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 4: when it's ninety eight degrees outside. Once we got outside 547 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 4: of Fort Worth, that was it. We were open to everything, 548 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 4: and so in a way it sort of felt like 549 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 4: you were connected to maybe what people went through at 550 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 4: that time, and they had such a harsher journey than 551 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 4: we had, you know, crossing rivers, surviving to sort of 552 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 4: make something better for your family. So in a weird way, 553 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 4: you had a moment to sort of think and go, wow, 554 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 4: this is we're sort of out in the open here 555 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 4: just trying to figure it all out. 556 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that a lot of what people respond to, 557 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: what I respond to when I see the show, especially 558 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: as I watch eighteen eighty three, is this incredible feeling 559 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: of authenticity that can't help. It's a part of the 560 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: product because it's a part of the process. It really 561 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: the process of making the show mirrors the experience that 562 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: you're depicting on the show. You're taking a bunch of 563 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: people from all over the world, incredible people with varied 564 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: and diverse skill sets and backgrounds, many of them who 565 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 2: have never set foot in West Texas before, and then 566 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: many of them who have, who grew up there and 567 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: who are experts in this world. And you're cooperating together 568 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: on this journey that lasts from months and months and 569 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 2: is arduous and taxing and difficult, and that bleeds into 570 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: every frame of the show. 571 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that was the incredible part. And 572 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 4: I think you really you and your character symbolized it 573 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 4: last year with the journey to the Four Sixes, you know, 574 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 4: the most authentic storied ranches in the world since the 575 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 4: eighteen hundreds, I mean, you know, and no way Taylor 576 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 4: sort of blended that into our sort of not real 577 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 4: ranch world of Yellowstone, which is, you know, a real 578 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 4: world for TV and sort of taking Jimmy's character to 579 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 4: one of the most authentic ranches in America. 580 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. You know, there are those of us 581 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: and one of the incredible gifts of the show is 582 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: that for every actor from Los Angeles, there's a cowboy 583 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: from New Mexico. And for every you know rancher from Montana, 584 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: there's you know, a stunt coordinator from from the East Coast. 585 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: You know, there's a sort of incredible combination. And one 586 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: of the tremendous gifts of our show has been watching 587 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: so many people run at these new challenges, these challenges 588 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: that are utterly unique, kind of over and over again, 589 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: with tremendous respect for the material, with a tremendous sort 590 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 2: of trust and commitment to each other. Because part of 591 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: what you described early are putting this team together. You 592 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: guys are now You've made and you are making shows 593 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: with this core group of collaborators from different backgrounds, different 594 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: skill sets, who have grown to trust each other over time. 595 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: How do you over and over again this is just 596 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 2: as a fan of your work, of Taylor's work, you 597 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: attract the best actors in the world. Like it's amazing 598 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: for me. My favorite actors who I've followed since I 599 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: was a kid, Billy, Bob Thornton, Aiden Gillen, obviously, Sam Elliott, obviously, 600 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: Kevin Costner the most a combination of the most interesting 601 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: and sort of storied actors. It's amazing they trust you 602 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: and when they join this kind of project, they're putting 603 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: a lot of faith in you. 604 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 4: Look, I think, look everything at the end of the day, 605 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 4: and you know, this being the incredible actor that you are, 606 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 4: It all starts with the material. Right, material is the 607 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 4: basis for everything. If you're going to build a house, 608 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 4: it's your foundation, it's everything, right what you do inside 609 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 4: of it, whether that's you know, whether that is you know, 610 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 4: a different type of counter or marble or granted, whatever 611 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 4: you do inside the house to sort of build it 612 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 4: is something that you do in what you do. And 613 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 4: so I think always everything starts with the material. And 614 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 4: with Taylor's material, it is something as you know, it 615 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 4: attracts incredible different people who want to come work on it. 616 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 4: And also you have this incredible time with Taylor. Be 617 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 4: like I'm just thinking about Billy Bob Thornton for that role, 618 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 4: and I'm like, all right, let me call his manager 619 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 4: and like you send over it and he goes yes, 620 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 4: or you go like, I'm thinking about Tom Hanks for 621 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 4: that role and you like call time that reads it 622 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 4: goes okay. You know, it's like unbelievable. Like, so, I 623 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 4: think it's it's his material. I have to give the 624 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 4: credit rightfully due It's like his material is just something 625 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 4: that everybody wants to come play a day, two days, 626 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 4: five days, and to be part of. I mean, that's 627 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 4: probably one of the most exciting things for me because 628 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 4: when he wrote the role, He's like, I think I 629 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 4: want Sam Elliott and I'm like, yeah, okay, well I'd 630 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 4: score major points in my house with my wife if 631 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 4: we had Sam Ellie. But I would love to work 632 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 4: with Sam Lely. And then you know, Sam reads it 633 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 4: and is like, yes, So I think his material is 634 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 4: something that's fresh, it's original, it's different, and it's a 635 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 4: world we don't get to see every. 636 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 2: Day, and it has the gift of I think you 637 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: guys balanced this so remarkably well combining these actors. You know, 638 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: one of the themes of a lot of Taylor's work 639 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: is that the American West and the sort of myth 640 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: of the American West, the legend of the American West, 641 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: coming into confrontation with the reality, the harsh truth of 642 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: the American West. You know, the myth and reality colliding 643 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 2: into each other. When I look at the cast of 644 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: eighteen eighty three Sam Elliott, of course American legend, a 645 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: myth unto himself, and then young actors, right and combining 646 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 2: sam Elliot's experience expertise a lifetime in the West with 647 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 2: Isabelle May, right, an actor new to this world who 648 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: brings something utterly distinct and unique to it because she's 649 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 2: new to it. Right, So will you talk a little 650 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 2: bit about about discovering new talent or bringing on young 651 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,240 Speaker 2: actors into these projects. 652 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: Look, that's always the thing, right, And Taylor and I 653 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 4: have that conversation always. He sort of feels if he's 654 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 4: going to bring some of the table, whether it's Isabelle 655 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 4: may or Emma Laird or people that he's sort of discovered, 656 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 4: he'll see somebody, you know, like he did with Isabelle. 657 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 4: He hadn't really figured out and shaped the role yet 658 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 4: he knew what it was going to be. But the 659 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 4: minute he saw her, he knew she was the one. 660 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 4: She was the one who was going to tell this 661 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 4: story and he was going to sort of turn the 662 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 4: traditional Western on its head a little bit with this 663 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 4: sort of point of view through an eighteen year old's eyes, 664 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 4: you know, going through sort of just becoming a woman 665 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 4: and sort of finding herself as well as trying to 666 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 4: protect her family. So I think the interesting thing about 667 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 4: it is is, you know, because of his sort of 668 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 4: background and being an actor, he sort of finds this 669 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 4: way and we'll sort of have a conversation about finding 670 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 4: so many fresh and new that we don't know yet, 671 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 4: and that we get to sort of experience things. And 672 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 4: I think when you watch Isabelle, I even feel, even 673 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 4: five and ten times seeing a cut of something, I'm 674 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 4: sort of discovering it with her. I don't know her. 675 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 4: I mean, I know her personally, but I don't know 676 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 4: her as her character. I'm sort of sold on who 677 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 4: she is and what she's going to be, and I'm 678 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 4: sort of following her on our journey. If she's feeling pain, 679 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 4: I'm sort of feeling a little bit too. If she's 680 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 4: feeling laughter, I'm feeling that. So I think that's the 681 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 4: great part about it, right. You know, you and Jimmy, 682 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 4: I remember when we were looking early on at reading 683 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 4: for it, and you sort of I'll never forget they're 684 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 4: sort of reading you did in the chair if you 685 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 4: remember it, And you know, the minute Taylor saw it, 686 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 4: he was like that guy. He's got what I'm looking for, 687 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 4: and sometimes I don't know always get it. But Taylor 688 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 4: Start has this way. He knows he can look in 689 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 4: sort of the eyes, the face, the sort of character, 690 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 4: and he knows that that's who I want Jimmy to be, 691 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 4: or that's who I want this character to be. That's 692 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 4: a talent, you know. At that point it becomes much 693 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 4: easier because I think then audiences get to discover somebody 694 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 4: new and be part of that discovering them. 695 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's a real gift. And on the opposite 696 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 2: side of the spectrum, it's the same gift. It's saying, 697 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 2: who could possibly fill the roles of these walking legends? Right, 698 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 2: Kevin Costner and John Dutton feel so synonymous in many ways, 699 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 2: it's hard to conceive of anybody else playing that role 700 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 2: because the character is himself a legend. He's a legend 701 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 2: who carries a tremendous weight on his shoulders that everybody 702 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: respects and has a sort of wary kind of relationship 703 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: to it. And that couldn't be anybody but Kevin and 704 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 2: I think that's on the opposite side of the spectrum, 705 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 2: the incredible gift of excellent casting I can't help but 706 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 2: sort of like glean a worldview from a lot of 707 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 2: Tailor's work, because and I think it relates in a 708 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 2: lot of ways to those that juxtaposition, Right, the extremity, 709 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 2: there's the beauty, the sort of big scale epic, the 710 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 2: the incredible action sequences, and then there's this incredible human, simple, 711 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: quiet intimacy. And Taylor himself has an incredibly holistic approach 712 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 2: to filmmaking. He's an amazing actor, he's an amazing writer, 713 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 2: he's an amazing director, he knows everything about the camera department. 714 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 2: He knows you know, he saddles, horses, rides like he 715 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 2: sort of does all of this. Will you talk about 716 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 2: as you produce Taylor's projects, as you're on set for 717 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 2: Taylor's projects, what you carry from those projects into the 718 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 2: other stuff you're working on. 719 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 4: Look, I think it's a discipline. I really think I 720 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 4: think he brings. You know, the cowboy world is about discipline, right, 721 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 4: if you sort of think about where he came from 722 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 4: and where he grew up and sort of what he 723 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 4: has done his whole life. Right, it's hard work. You're 724 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 4: up early, nobody's complaining, You're doing your thing, and you're 725 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 4: getting it done right, because if you don't get it done, 726 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 4: then you're letting other people down. And I think I've 727 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 4: taken that with me and my sort of journey with 728 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 4: him and sort of his ability is it's not about 729 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 4: no or yes, it's about getting it done. And I 730 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 4: think that's what I take with me in my lesson 731 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 4: with him, of like when he wants something or he 732 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 4: wants a certain a certain thing, my job is to 733 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 4: get it done, is to figure out how to get 734 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 4: it done for him, because that's the way of the 735 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 4: way he sort of understands. And our world sometimes in 736 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 4: the Hollywood business is not always like that, right, It's 737 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 4: always about trying to figure out, you know, what we 738 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 4: can do. So it's that management of sort of knowing 739 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 4: exactly what he wants and getting it done. And I 740 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 4: think that discipline stayed with me because you're sort of 741 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,760 Speaker 4: out there with him and you're doing on his terms, 742 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 4: and his terms are, as you said, very smart. He 743 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 4: knows what he wants, he understands it better than anybody, 744 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 4: so I'm never going to argue with him, so I 745 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 4: just have to figure out how to get it done. 746 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: I also think he carries something with him you know, 747 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 2: there's a lot of language, a very sort of poetic 748 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 2: lyrical language, both in Yellowstone and in eighteen eighty three 749 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 2: about the inefficiency of this lifestyle in some ways, like 750 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 2: cattle ranching in Montana. In Yellowstone, over and over again, 751 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: it's revealed this is not the most profitable way to 752 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 2: manage this land. 753 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 3: Right. 754 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 2: It's not about numbers, it's not about necessarily profit, it's 755 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 2: not about progress by any like demonstrable, quantifiable metric. Part 756 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 2: of it is just a labor of love. It's about 757 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 2: tradition and a labor of love. And I also can't 758 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,959 Speaker 2: help but apply that same idea to filmmaking, Like filmmaking 759 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 2: is far from the most efficient way in the world 760 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 2: to make money, right, It's a kind of radically inefficient way. 761 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: Exactly. 762 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: It's a labor of love, you know. It's it's imagination, 763 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 2: and it's sort of storytelling, and it's foundational I think, 764 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 2: to people to share our stories. But it's also hilariously 765 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 2: inefficient in so many ways. 766 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 4: I mean, our business sometimes doesn't make sense. I mean, 767 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 4: as I say here today with maybe my CFO and 768 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 4: my partner the room, we'd like to say it makes 769 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 4: us a ton of money and that's the way we 770 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 4: always go into it. I'm a little crazier, you know 771 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 4: sometimes with wanting to do something because it's super passionate stuff. 772 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 4: But you got to find that happy meeting. It's not 773 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 4: an easy business. And I don't think anything that Taylor 774 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 4: goes into or we go into, is like this is 775 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 4: going to be a home run, it's going to be 776 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 4: the biggest show on TV. Now. We go into it 777 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 4: because we think it's going to be something that we'll 778 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 4: all really be really proud of. We don't know how 779 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 4: it's audiences are going to take it. We don't know 780 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 4: if people are going to watch it. And I think 781 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 4: that's the incredible thing also of having a partner like 782 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 4: you know, Viacom and Paramount Plus and the Paramount Channel. 783 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 4: You know, they sort of have a belief. I mean 784 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 4: they bought Yellowstone off of reading one script in the 785 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 4: room on a handshake with Taylor and I and that 786 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,280 Speaker 4: takes commitment, right, that takes vision. They had no idea 787 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 4: that was going to be the behemoth that it is today. 788 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 4: So I think you have to have a lot of 789 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 4: people believing in what you want to do to sort 790 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 4: of get to make something happen the way you want. 791 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 4: The actors have to sign up, the network has to 792 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 4: sign up, we have to all sign up, and then 793 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 4: we all kind of come into it and then we 794 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 4: wait to see what happens. Amis read an article one time, 795 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 4: I can't remember it was they analyzed all these jobs 796 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 4: dentist if you do X plus Y equals you know Z, 797 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 4: and all these jobs and the one job they never 798 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 4: could figure out was the movie and TV business. And 799 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 4: it just makes total sense, like anything can happen, anything 800 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 4: can really work, and anything can't. So I think we're 801 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 4: very fortunate, all of us, you know, with you and Taylor, 802 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 4: to sort of have this incredible sort of everybody that 803 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 4: does everything. I mean, we all know each other, right, 804 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 4: We've all become this big family, and I think that's 805 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 4: something really special. I think also for Taylor, he never 806 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 4: set out to make TV his whole thing. At the 807 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 4: end of the day, he always said to me is 808 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 4: I don't want I don't want to do TV. I 809 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 4: want to make ten hour movies. So let's go make 810 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 4: a ten hour movie. If we can do that, I'll 811 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,760 Speaker 4: do it. Otherwise I don't want to do this, I said, Okay, 812 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 4: let me think about that for a minute, and so 813 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 4: we had to go into that without thinking everything that 814 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 4: Taylor does is a ten hour movie. He wants it 815 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 4: to be beautiful. He wants to be strong, he wants 816 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 4: to be powerful, and what he wants it to be 817 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 4: is authentic bumps and bruises at all. You know, his 818 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 4: new show Mayor of Kingstown with Jeremy Renner is sort 819 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 4: of portrait of prison life in this town, but it's 820 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 4: with bumps and bruises and all. It's raw, and it's 821 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 4: not going to be for everybody, but it is a 822 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 4: great show because Taylor doesn't hold back on being as 823 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 4: authentic and real as he can be. And that's the 824 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 4: only way he knows. He doesn't know any other way like, 825 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 4: and he's not gonna someone's not gonna take a note 826 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 4: and say, dear Taylor, I think you should change that 827 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 4: scene to this because it'll be better for you know, 828 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 4: when we go ahead and play this in some foreign tarror. No, 829 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 4: it's this is what you get. And he's serving up 830 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 4: on a platter, and I think that's what makes him 831 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 4: who he is. 832 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 2: It really it's brutally honest, yeah, and working. You know, 833 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,839 Speaker 2: as you said, all of this stuff represents a lot 834 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 2: of trust. It represents a sort of collaborative agreement to 835 00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 2: take a risk, and that trickles down throughout our entire cast, 836 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,839 Speaker 2: our entire crew. That trickles down I think from you 837 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:08,439 Speaker 2: and Taylor, you guys inspire hundreds of people to work 838 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 2: their hardest, to believe in what you believe in. And 839 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 2: I guess I just as the last thing I say 840 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,399 Speaker 2: as we as we run out of time here, because 841 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for your time. 842 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 4: Thank you. 843 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 2: Is particularly shooting Season four of Yellowstone, to me, felt 844 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 2: a little bit like it was uncharted territory. It was 845 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 2: during the pandemic. It was the summer of twenty twenty. 846 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 2: All of us left our homes, our families on the 847 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 2: strength of this trust. We all took that risk together, 848 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 2: and it was it was both things. It was both 849 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 2: a risk that we were taking. It was dangerous and 850 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,720 Speaker 2: difficult to leave our families behind, but it was also 851 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 2: the you put back. You put six hundred people back 852 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 2: to work. More than that, you guys took that weight 853 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 2: upon yourselves. You protected the family that you had built 854 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 2: for four years, and you put six hundred plus people 855 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 2: back to work at an incredibly uncertain and difficult time. 856 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 2: And I, for one no that I'll never forget it. 857 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 2: You brought us all back to work, and you took 858 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 2: care of us. You protected us, and you saw us 859 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 2: from one side of that journey to the other. 860 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 4: You know, look, I appreciate that. And I remember having 861 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 4: the conversation with Taylor and we're sort of it was 862 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 4: right in a high of COVID and he had written 863 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 4: the scripts and we're sort of scratching our head what 864 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 4: to do, and we're getting calls from crew my unemployment's 865 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 4: running out, or this happening, or I can't pay my bills, 866 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,240 Speaker 4: or we sort of thought about it and said, we're 867 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 4: shooting in Montana. We could go into a bubble and 868 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 4: really protect ourselves and put ourselves back to work. And 869 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 4: I said, what do you want to do, And without 870 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 4: even a blink of an eye, Tailor said, We're going 871 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 4: back to work. That's what we're going to do. And 872 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 4: I said, all right, let's figure it out. And we 873 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 4: went back and we went into that bubble, and where 874 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 4: I really saw it was we're all working really hard, 875 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,400 Speaker 4: and nobody could do anything. Nobody go to rests. We 876 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 4: had to all eat together and live together on the 877 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,720 Speaker 4: ranch or really close housing. And then on those Saturdays 878 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 4: and Sundays was interesting. All of us would grab a 879 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 4: picnic blanket or something and just sit out on the 880 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 4: ranch and talk and talk about our families and talk 881 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 4: about who we're missing and what we're doing. But there 882 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 4: was something really beauty in the ability for everybody to 883 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 4: sort of be together. And that season for me actually 884 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,800 Speaker 4: funny enough that you say, that was really special and 885 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 4: I'm and to see the ratings the way they are 886 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 4: today is just even more because for those of us 887 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 4: that all worked on that season in the middle of 888 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,399 Speaker 4: COVID and we had everybody, you know, friends getting sick 889 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 4: and people getting sick on the crew, and I mean 890 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 4: we did a pretty incredible job in protecting ourselves but 891 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 4: also sending everybody home with you know, they're sort of 892 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 4: feeling back that I'm okay and this is going to 893 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 4: be okay and we're going to get through it. So 894 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,800 Speaker 4: it really holds a special place in my heart, and 895 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 4: I think audiences have embraced that season, which makes it 896 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,800 Speaker 4: even even more special. So, you know, love and spending 897 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 4: time with you today and thank you for everything. For 898 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 4: the fans out there that don't know you. You put 899 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 4: your heart and soul into the show for us. You're always, 900 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 4: you know, there, as early as can be and as 901 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 4: late as can be, without a word to say. I 902 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,879 Speaker 4: remember us down at the four sixes and hanging out 903 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 4: down there. So we all appreciate, and I know Taylor does, 904 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 4: and I do, Network and all of us that want 905 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 4: to want to appreciate everything you do for us. 906 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, David, and thank you so so 907 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 2: so much for being here today. 908 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 3: My pleasure. 909 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. 910 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 2: Once again, a special thanks to you the Yellowstone family. Obviously, 911 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 2: none of this would be possible without you, so thank you, 912 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 2: so so so much for tuning in. We're going to 913 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 2: drop new episodes every Thursday, so make sure to subscribe 914 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 2: and tune in to the Official Yellowstone Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 915 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. The Official Yellowstone Podcast is 916 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 2: hosted by me Jefferson White and produced by One on 917 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 2: One Podcast Studios and Paramount Network.