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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: Why won't this woman go away? Taught Mom Casey Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Her parents have been through hell, hell, all because of her,

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Speaker 2: And in the most recent incarnation of their living hell,

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Speaker 2: George and Cindy Anthony take.

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Speaker 3: Polygraphs.

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Speaker 2: Polygraphs, so if you had any doubt about what they

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Speaker 2: testified to at trial, this should define for you the truth.

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Speaker 2: Were they telling the truth or not? So their hell

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Speaker 2: is still ongoing. They did this voluntarily, They were not

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Speaker 2: in court ordered to. They did it as part of

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Speaker 2: a pretty incredible A and E special called Casey Anthony's

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Speaker 2: parents the lie Detector Test. But can you imagine this

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Speaker 2: much after? I mean, I really don't like talking about

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Speaker 2: my fiance's murder and I hate it when other people

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Speaker 2: bring it up without me being prepared for it. Can

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Speaker 2: you imagine the excruciating pain they went through taking this

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Speaker 2: polygraph all about Kelly's murder? And remember Kelly, Little Kelly

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Speaker 2: was like a daughter to them because their real daughter.

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Speaker 2: Top Mom Casey Anthony had relinquished all responsibility of taking

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Speaker 2: call of her own child. They are the ones that

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Speaker 2: fed her, They are the ones that paid for all

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Speaker 2: of her expenses, bought her clothes, made her meals, took

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Speaker 2: care of her, not her mother, not taught mom, Casey

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Speaker 2: Anthony was George and Cindy. Can you imagine what they

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Speaker 2: have been through looking for Kelly, hoping against hope that

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Speaker 2: she was still alive somehow.

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Speaker 3: Some wear, some way, and then finding out not only is.

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Speaker 2: This beautiful little girl dead, she's been murdered and she

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Speaker 2: has been in a trash bag and a swamp not

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Speaker 2: far from their home. They would drive by her body

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Speaker 2: every day.

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Speaker 3: How do they still drive by that spot? But they do.

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Speaker 2: I've been there and you have to drive by it

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Speaker 2: when you leave their neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: And now this you know, taught mom, Casey.

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Speaker 2: Anthony is sucking like a tick every ounce of press

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Speaker 2: in media that she can gain from this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as he Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and on series XEM one eleven.

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Speaker 3: In case you've been living under a rot.

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Speaker 2: In a cave on the other side of the country,

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Speaker 2: you must have heard this before listen.

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Speaker 4: I call would have been good to defy shiff say.

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Speaker 4: I found out my grandfather has some trick and she

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Speaker 4: has been listening for a third but you've been missed. Okay,

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Speaker 4: what is he now?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 5: What is the actress that you're calling from?

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Speaker 4: Spring Drive?

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Speaker 6: We're talking about seven ways through H O P E.

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Speaker 7: S P R I M G clim Lando.

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Speaker 4: Oh, my daughter, finally I need to find her.

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Speaker 8: Your daughter admitted that the baby is there.

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Speaker 7: Did you kind of took her.

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Speaker 4: Months to go to My daughter's been looking for I

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Speaker 4: called to my daughter with me some months. I just

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Speaker 4: She just admitted to me she's some time to find

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Speaker 4: her herself.

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Speaker 2: You know what to Alexis Treschuk climb online dot Com

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter, Alexis, when a little Kelly first went missing,

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Speaker 2: you and I covered this story together. I immediately went

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Speaker 2: to Florida and began my own investigation and pretty quickly

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Speaker 2: determined that George and Cindy Anthony had nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with the disappearance of Kelly. I knew it in my

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Speaker 3: Do you remember us discussing that off camera.

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Speaker 8: The first time we ever spoke about it, you told

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Speaker 8: me that you believed George and side Anti. You believe

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Speaker 8: that they had nothing to do with it. You thought

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Speaker 8: that they were completely innocent, and you one hundred percent

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Speaker 8: blamed Casey and only Casey. You said her parents had

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Speaker 8: But you never wavered in that.

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Speaker 2: You know, just then, when I was hearing Cindy Anthony

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Speaker 2: John w deal with me, high profile lawyer out of

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Speaker 2: this jurisdiction Florida, author of the method Proven Techniques for

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Speaker 2: Winning Jury trials. John, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I remember the first time my hand shook in front

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Speaker 2: is what happened. I had my questions as I always did,

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Speaker 2: the end of the paper and the paper was shaking.

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Speaker 3: I immediately put it down. I never did that again.

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Speaker 2: So even now, John Diale when you hear, Cindy, can't

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Speaker 2: you tell she's telling the truth. I don't need A

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Speaker 2: was an awesome special So John deal, don't you get

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Speaker 2: a feeling or are you believe somebody or you don't

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Speaker 2: believe and you don't know why?

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Speaker 9: Yeah? Absolutely, I think you know with see me here

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Speaker 9: and there. Honestly, with George when we took his depot

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Speaker 9: that day, I spoke to him just briefly, and you

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Speaker 9: can tell he was wrecked by not I guilt, but

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Speaker 9: by grief. And it's just a feeling you get. So

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Speaker 9: I've always I've always had that feeling that he had

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Speaker 9: nothing to do with this at all.

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Speaker 10: Nancy. I remember the first time I met them in

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Speaker 10: the green room at CNN.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, you're hearing doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 2: She is a renowned psychoalyst joining us out of Beverly Hills.

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Speaker 3: Jump in, doctor Matthew, what were you saying?

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Speaker 10: I remember, I'm meeting George and Cynthy Anthony in the

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Speaker 10: green room at CNN, and it was a particularly difficult

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Speaker 10: period for them because they were really being skewered in

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Speaker 10: the press and on all the shows. They had come

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Speaker 10: to pier On's Larry Kean Show, and I was a

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Speaker 10: little afraid to walk into the green room where they

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Speaker 10: were because they were under assault, and I was worried

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Speaker 10: about what I had even said about them on various shows.

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Speaker 10: And they were lovely, gracious, kind, impact centered people, the

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Speaker 10: kind of people you want to have dinner with and

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Speaker 10: share time with, even while they were going through such

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Speaker 10: a difficult time, they asked me about myself, and I'll

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Speaker 10: never forget that.

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, I'm going to share a story.

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Speaker 3: It was not a story, It's true.

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Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in Florida investigating this case,

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Speaker 2: and I spent a lot of time off camera interviewing

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Speaker 2: the bail bondsman that first dealt with Top Mom case Anthony,

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Speaker 2: and I remember she.

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Speaker 3: Was arrested on a minor charge.

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Speaker 2: To start with, like neglect of a child or something

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Speaker 3: And she bonded out.

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Speaker 2: And there were a lot of restrictions on her bond,

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Speaker 2: and she had a bail bondsman with her.

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Speaker 3: She got home to the house.

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Speaker 2: This is why Kelly was quote still missing air quota

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Speaker 3: She walked in the house, and the Bill Bondsman told me.

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Speaker 2: Two of them, a female Bellson Bill bondsman and a

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Speaker 3: That heard this. The first thing she said she walked in.

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Speaker 2: She didn't say, Hey, have you set up a headquarters

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Speaker 2: to find Kelly? What do you know about Kelly? What's

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Speaker 2: being done to find Kelly? This is what I think happened.

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Speaker 2: The first thing she said was, Hey, what's for supper?

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Speaker 3: Mom? Are you kidding me? No?

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Speaker 2: Two witnesses told me that, And this is what I

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Speaker 2: was leading up to. Later on, when George we try

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Speaker 2: to ask questions about Kelly, Cindy would goes, don't push her,

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Speaker 2: don't push her, she's upset. Finally, George Anthony rushed tot

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Speaker 2: loam Casey Anthony in the home, grabbed her by the throat,

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Speaker 2: pushed her up against the wall, and would.

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Speaker 3: Say, where is Kelly? Where is Kelly? Where is Kelly?

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Speaker 2: That is not the behavior of a man who had

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Speaker 2: anything to do with the death of Kelly. But wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 2: you judge, were about to go into the lie detector

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Speaker 2: test performed by George Olivo, who is with us, And

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Speaker 2: we're gonna hear from Tony Harris, the award winning journalist.

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Speaker 11: Can we have a real conversation about this? Can we

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Speaker 11: have a real conversation about this? I love and I

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Speaker 11: have loved your reporting on this and the way that

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Speaker 11: you have sort of staked put that steak in the

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Speaker 11: ground on behalf of George and Cindy. But let's be

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Speaker 11: honest about it. You know, there were a number of

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Speaker 11: the results of this telegraph exam won't change anamimes. I

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Speaker 11: reality is that there were reasons, there were reasons suggested

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Speaker 11: why you should not have faith in George, and that

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Speaker 11: was planted by who that was. And you guys have

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Speaker 11: to me about this. It was planted by Jose Bias.

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Speaker 11: The doubt that was raised about George Anthony was planted

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Speaker 11: by Jose Bias. But there were reasons to have questions

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Speaker 11: about Cindy. Two. Cindy Anthony love her, spend four days

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Speaker 11: But Cindy Anthony is pure, one hundred percent pitbull, and

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Speaker 11: she dug in to find the information. You know of

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Speaker 11: and you can see it in our interview. I spent

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Speaker 11: her focus on this is why we are where we are.

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Speaker 11: And if Casey had not made these allegations against George,

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Speaker 11: we would not have been in her home for four

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Speaker 11: days recording a special.

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Speaker 2: There you go, you are hearing Tony Harris, Award winning

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Speaker 2: journalist and the host of the A and E special

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Speaker 2: Casey Anthony's parents, The Light Detect her test and oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, if you missed it the other night,

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Speaker 2: it's streaming on the A and E app right now.

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Speaker 2: It's also an AETV dot com.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Tony Harris and you can cut his

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Speaker 2: mic right now, said let's have a real discussion.

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Speaker 3: I resent that because every.

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Speaker 2: Discussion I have is real, and there is not a

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Speaker 2: single person on this panel that I would ever accuse

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Speaker 2: of subterfuge. They're all straight shooters. Everybody. Well, there is

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan, but we'll hear from him in just

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Speaker 2: a moment. Long story short, this is a real discussion.

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Speaker 2: But you're absolutely right, regardless of my initial thoughts, which

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Speaker 2: I still maintain are correct regarding George and Cindy, a

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Speaker 2: lot of people actually think George Anthony molested top Lim

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Speaker 2: Casey Anthony and that he's the one that disposed of

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Speaker 2: Kelly's body. You're right, there are a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to more of Cindy in that nine

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Speaker 4: There's something wrong. I saw my daughter's cart today and

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Speaker 2: Been a dead battle thrown clo.

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Speaker 4: I have not seen her since the seventh of June?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Jackie agrees that all that meant yes, he does

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Speaker 3: But we heard Cindy Anthony.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I would too. Their baby was missing.

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Speaker 2: They had to suspect that top Mom killed her or

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm totally willing to defend that description. I just look,

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Speaker 3: I guess so. But the worst thing that ever happened

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Speaker 11: It, absolutely So, guys, we're going to.

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Speaker 2: Actually play Georgia Olivo polygraphing them.

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Speaker 3: George is with us right now. Tony Harris created the Casey.

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Speaker 2: Anthony Parents the Like to Take Your Test program, which

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Speaker 2: at the police station three eaches up their tailpipe to

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Speaker 4: Okay, a vehicle stor on too? No, this was my vehicle.

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Speaker 5: I have deputies on the way to you right now

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Speaker 5: is missing Kaylee Anthony? Yes, yes, yes, female three years

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Speaker 4: Yes, and you last saw her a month ago, thirty.

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Speaker 6: One days from thirty one days?

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Speaker 2: Who have her?

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Speaker 13: Do you do a name?

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Speaker 6: Her name is Vaneva Fernandez Gondalas.

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Speaker 9: Who is that baby sitter?

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Speaker 4: Because she's been my nanny for about a year and

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Speaker 5: Why why are you calling now?

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Speaker 8: Why didn't you call it thirty one days ago?

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Speaker 4: I've been looking for her and have gone through other

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Speaker 5: Okay, can you can you give me the name of

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Speaker 14: Sell it out for me?

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Speaker 6: Naiva v n Ai da last day Fernandez Fernandez hyphen

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Speaker 4: The opposite of their Yes.

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Speaker 1: Of yet, I mean, okay, time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 4: So it's been a vehicle sting too, No, this was

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Speaker 6: What vehicle was stolen?

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Speaker 4: It's a ninety Pontiac Sunfire.

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Speaker 5: I have deputies on the way to you right now

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Speaker 5: for that. But now you're now you're three year olds.

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Speaker 3: Three oldaughter is.

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Speaker 5: Missing Kaylee Anthony Yeah.

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Speaker 4: White female, yes, yes, white female, three years.

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Speaker 5: Who have her? Don't you a name?

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Speaker 6: Her name is Java Fernando Mzalis.

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Speaker 5: Who is that baby sitter?

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Speaker 6: She's been my.

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Speaker 4: Nanny for about a year and a half, almost two years.

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Speaker 4: I've been looking for her and have gone through other

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Speaker 15: Okay, can you can you give me.

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Speaker 5: The name of the nanny again like goell it out

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Speaker 6: Be eton ai b a last fame Fernandez Fernandez hyphen Gonzalez.

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Speaker 6: The officer of there? Yes, coming on on a second

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay, now correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: All that was a lie. And did you hear how

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Speaker 2: She's so calm, she's more worried about her Pontiac sun

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Speaker 3: There was no such person in her life. She had

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Speaker 9: Well, she never never explained that. I mean, obviously she

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Speaker 2: And I remember when they would visit her at the jail,

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Speaker 3: You know, let's get right to it.

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Speaker 2: George Olivo is a former FBI special agent who gave

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Speaker 15: Did you know Lee conceal Keally's whereabouts?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 13: I mean I didn't know where she was at, right.

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 2: Tell me why me?

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Speaker 13: It's because I was close to her house?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, as she was found, right, But think about the

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Speaker 3: Did you know where she was that whole time?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 9: You sure did?

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Speaker 13: I did you know where she was at?

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Speaker 15: Okay, that's all I'm asking I don't know, That's all

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Speaker 15: I'm asking you. Okay, George, kind of pull it together.

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Speaker 13: I just was visualizing made the woods at the morow.

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Speaker 13: I'm sorry? What the woods where she was found? I'm sorry,

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Speaker 13: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Alexis Tschuk is joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 2: You and I've seen those woods over and over and over.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a cross between swampy water and.

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Speaker 3: It looks like wood.

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Speaker 2: It looks like woods, but when you walk down into it,

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Speaker 2: it's just swamp. It's like marshy and people have thrown

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Speaker 2: out old tires and trash and that swhear tot mom

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Speaker 2: threw her daughter. Could you describe the area, Alexis to restchuck.

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Speaker 8: Yes, But I also want to say with George that

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Speaker 8: he didn't know where she was. Casey's car stunk like death.

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Speaker 8: Do you remember? That's exactly what Sidney said. It's sorry,

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Speaker 8: Cindy said. It's not like someone died in here. Little

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Speaker 8: Kayley was not tossed like killed in the house and

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Speaker 8: tossed in the woods all in one second. Casey was

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Speaker 8: driving around with her dead daughter's body in the car

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Speaker 8: for so long that the rot of the body permeated

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Speaker 8: the entire trunk of the car, so she was not

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Speaker 8: there right away. This is a like a Florida swamp.

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Speaker 8: It's really the best way to do it. It's kind of,

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Speaker 8: you know, it has trees. It's not like a forest

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Speaker 8: like you would imagine up in the mountain, but it

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Speaker 8: has You would think you could walk through it. But

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Speaker 8: it's kind of a marshy bottom with the water kind

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Speaker 8: of hidden under leaves, and anything could be back there

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Speaker 8: and be trashed Florida. There could be alligators. It's just

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Speaker 8: sort of an abandoned area, but near their house, right

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Speaker 8: near their house.

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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan joining us a host of body bags of

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Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan, jo Scott. How long would Kenly's body

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Speaker 2: have been in that car before the decomposition of the

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Speaker 2: little girl's body began to smell so horribly?

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Speaker 12: Just a couple of days, It doesn't take too much. Remember,

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Speaker 12: the body was according to what you know doctor g

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Speaker 12: had said and from what we saw at the same

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Speaker 12: scene or what was revealed that they found at the scene.

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Speaker 12: She was kind of cocooned in a blanket as well

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Speaker 12: as a plastic bag. And not to mention, let's just

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Speaker 12: talk about the car, which I know is the target here.

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Speaker 12: Riding around in the Florida heat. Heat speeds up the

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Speaker 12: process of decomposition. Within within two days, you would be

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Speaker 12: able to smell a foul odor, particularly in that environment,

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Speaker 12: so it prompts it, It accelerates the process very quickly.

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Speaker 12: So just in that short period of time, and the

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Speaker 12: fact that she could have been that numb to it,

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Speaker 12: that she would just have ridden around with this child's

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Speaker 12: body in the back of this car is kind of

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Speaker 12: striking to me.

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Speaker 2: George Olivo joining me, former FBI special agent who administered

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Speaker 2: the polygraph test for the A and E special casey

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Speaker 2: Anthony's parents, the lie detect her test.

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Speaker 3: Georgia Olivo, it's a real honor to speak with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, an FBI special agent who is a senior polygrapher.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how the whole thing went down, because I

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Speaker 2: know George nearly broke down in the middle of the polygraph. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was.

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Speaker 14: He was very nervous, and that was to be expected

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Speaker 14: just about everybody who comes in for a polygraph examine.

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Speaker 14: It's pretty nervous initially. Most people struggle with that. Initially,

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Speaker 14: they get in their own way and they overthink things.

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Speaker 14: And much has been made about George struggling with the

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Speaker 14: idea of Kayley's whereabouts. We had to clarify that.

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Speaker 11: We had to work on that with him.

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Speaker 14: He was trying to reconcile what he knew then versus

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Speaker 14: what he knows now, A classic example of getting in

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Speaker 14: your own way, something that most people do. George is

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Speaker 14: no different than anybody else. But eventually he did pull

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Speaker 14: it together. He was able to focus and answer a

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Speaker 14: yes or note to all the questions.

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Speaker 3: Here is more of.

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Speaker 2: Expert Police for George Alivo polygraphing top Mom Casey Anthony's father.

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Speaker 3: George, listen, okay.

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Speaker 15: You're going to have to compartmentalized right now as you

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Speaker 15: sit here right now.

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Speaker 13: Did you conceal her whereabouts that I can seal her whereabouts?

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Speaker 13: I did not know where she was at. Okay, So

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Speaker 13: why are you struggling with that?

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Speaker 3: What do you make of that? Georgia leive? Why was

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Speaker 3: he struggling?

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Speaker 14: Well, again, I think he was trying to reconcile what

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Speaker 14: he knew then versus what he knows now. It's a

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Speaker 14: classic example again of getting in your own way, and

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Speaker 14: most people do struggle initially to get out of their

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Speaker 14: own way. We tend to overthink things, and George was

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Speaker 14: no different. But eventually he did pull it together and

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Speaker 14: he was able to focus and say yes or no

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Speaker 14: to the question.

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Speaker 2: Tony Harris is joining us the host of this A

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Speaker 2: and A special Tony, do you think he was struggling

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Speaker 2: because he's being forced to remember his granddaughter was murdered,

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Speaker 2: rotted in the back of his daughter's car and a

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Speaker 2: trash bag and then was thrown out a swamp.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that may have gotten him upset? I'm

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Speaker 3: upset just saying it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, look, look, we've discussed it. I mean,

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Speaker 11: this is and you just said it just a couple

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Speaker 11: of moments ago. This was them reliving the worst moments

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Speaker 11: of their lives together as a family, as individuals.

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Speaker 9: As a couple.

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Speaker 11: Right, And so now George, who was I just think magnificent.

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Speaker 11: I can't I can't speak highly enough of the job

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Speaker 11: he did. And now George is pinning down on the

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Speaker 11: critical questions. Right, I'm asking them in and m I interview.

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Speaker 11: You know, you can lie to a journalist. We know

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Speaker 11: that that's almost a sport these days. But to sit

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Speaker 11: down with George with all of his experience and be

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Speaker 11: asked to end serve the most pointed questions you know

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Speaker 11: about this case is obviously dredging up all kinds of

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Speaker 11: memories for him, and they're all painful that he was

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Speaker 11: able to pull it together at all, with wires all

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Speaker 11: over him and picking up all of his physiology. You know,

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Speaker 11: first of all, I just think George did an amazing job.

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Speaker 11: And for George Anthony to come through that and to

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Speaker 11: produce the result that he produced, and for Georgia Levo

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Speaker 11: to then say, Okay, let me double check this, let

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Speaker 11: me triple check this because it's that important. I just

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Speaker 11: think it was just a remarkable examination and a remarkable exercise.

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Speaker 11: And credit to George Anthony for being willing to do

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Speaker 11: the thing that we know Casey wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace to doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 2: Marshall joining a psychoanalyst in Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany, You've

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Speaker 2: seen so many cases, but it just strikes me how

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Speaker 2: taught mom even now, is willing to let her father,

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Speaker 2: who father and mother who loved her so so much,

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Speaker 2: and I think still do suffer this way and actually

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Speaker 2: blame them somehow.

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Speaker 3: You know she watched this, of course she did.

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Speaker 10: And Nancy, you know she has the same disregard for

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Speaker 10: her father, who she accused him, electing her her brother

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Speaker 10: whom she accused him, lesting her her mother, who she

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Speaker 10: threw under the bus, the same disregard for them as

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Speaker 10: she had for her own daughter. And the eight idea

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Speaker 10: that George hesitated when asked where little Kaylee was, if

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Speaker 10: he knew where she was, I understand on that completely

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Speaker 10: from a psychological perspective, he felt responsible for what happened

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Speaker 10: to Kaylee. When you have a daughter who's that disturbed,

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Speaker 10: who kills your granddaughter? I know she was acquitted, but

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Speaker 10: in his mind, his daughter killed his granddaughter, secreted her

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Speaker 10: in a swamp behind the house, and he's raised this

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Speaker 10: daughter and seen every bizarre, disturbed behavior that he cannot control,

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Speaker 10: he cannot remediate, he cannot change. And he's asked if

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Speaker 10: he knew where his granddaughter was. Of course he's going

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Speaker 10: to feel responsible. This is his daughter who did that

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Speaker 10: to the granddaughter. So I think in his mind it

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Speaker 10: wasn't so much like where she was, but that he

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Speaker 10: should have known where she was and he should have

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Speaker 10: stopped this.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to more of George Olio examining

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Speaker 2: top mom Casey Anthony's father George Anthony.

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Speaker 3: Listen, So Casey.

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Speaker 15: Has claimed that when she was young, you came in

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Speaker 15: the room.

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Speaker 13: And molested it. So there's two parts to this test.

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Speaker 3: They're like two sides of a point.

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Speaker 15: Both sides are equally important.

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Speaker 3: So the first side answers the question did you do it?

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Speaker 15: The other part answers the question do you pick the

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Speaker 15: profile of a person that would do that well? The

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Speaker 15: pretest interview is where we discuss all the issues, tell

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Speaker 15: them everything they need to know. I want to try

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Speaker 15: and keep that foot movement to a minimum. To move

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Speaker 15: your feet when you answer. Don't try to convince me

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Speaker 15: with your answer. That's not necessary, just a soft spoken

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Speaker 15: yes or no. You have to make that decision during

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Speaker 15: the pretest. Is this person suitable for testing? Are they

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Speaker 15: lose it? Are they able to sit through this test?

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Speaker 15: And it's focus and pay attention, and you call yourself

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Speaker 15: a ten on on a personal honesty scale.

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Speaker 3: You didn't lie about that, right, You didn't lie about that?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 15: Yes?

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Speaker 13: I mean I didn't lie about it. I'm sorry, all right.

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Speaker 11: You gotta be worried there for a.

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Speaker 3: Minute, you know, when you have to ask it.

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine doing this to my father. Making

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Speaker 2: these horrible claims about him is a to save my own.

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Speaker 3: Skin, very very disturbing. George Olivo.

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Speaker 2: You say that George and Cindy Anthony passed their lie

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Speaker 2: detector tests, isn't it true? You do three different independent evaluations, Yes, I.

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Speaker 14: Did for this exam. Usually it's two. You get a

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Speaker 14: secondary what we call a quality assurance sim to review

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Speaker 14: your work independently without meeting the people, without being there

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Speaker 14: in the room. They just look at the data and

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Speaker 14: they either concur or you know, there's a discussion. But

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Speaker 14: I did three, three different independent validations for this test.

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Speaker 3: And the three independent evaluations.

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Speaker 14: Were what well, of course my own I did my

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Speaker 14: own evaluation where we put numbers on the on the

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Speaker 14: diagnostic features. We're not throwing horseshoes here, we're actually using

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Speaker 14: objective scoring scales. So I did my own evaluation. I

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Speaker 14: determined that they that they did pass their exams, there's

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Speaker 14: no deception indicated. And then the computer itself, the polygraph

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Speaker 14: program has an algorithm that evaluates charts and it comes

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Speaker 14: up with its own decision. Just complete, completely automated software.

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Speaker 14: It said that they passed the exam, and then another

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Speaker 14: individual that looked at everything, and he also concurred.

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Speaker 3: Guys, you decide for yourself. Listen to George.

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Speaker 15: You're in a legitimate exam. There are no surprises, and

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Speaker 15: we actually go over every single question so they know

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Speaker 15: exactly what they're going.

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Speaker 13: To be asked.

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Speaker 15: Because if they're not comfortable or they don't really understand

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Speaker 15: what I'm getting at, then we're not going to have

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Speaker 15: accurate results. You've been married to Sindy now for how long?

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Speaker 15: Three two year or some gratulations, and you've had never

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Speaker 15: keeo on time and say you haven't even an emotional affair?

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Speaker 13: Right, I haven't?

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Speaker 11: Okay, all right?

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Speaker 15: Have you always been a ten on the sexual integrity scalp?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 13: Yes, yes, yes, no, yes, when you're separated, that's a.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. So what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Tony Harris? Did he have an affair with somebody when

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Speaker 2: they were separated? Is that what they're getting at?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know the states inside and out, and there

665
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Speaker 11: was a there were a couple of points in their

666
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 11: relationship was pretty rocky, and they weren't living together, and

667
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Speaker 11: there were issues in the marriage with financial issues and

668
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Speaker 11: relationship issues and faithfulness issues. And then we get to

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Speaker 11: the trial and there's this whole thing about George having

670
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Speaker 11: an affair and and and and that whole discussion. So yeah,

671
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Speaker 11: So when Cindy hears that question and she's answered it

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Speaker 11: for George, uh, it's a it's a pretty it's a

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Speaker 11: pretty stunning television moment.

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Speaker 3: So wait a minute. So they're in there together and she.

675
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Speaker 11: Jumps in, well, we're watching it in another room. Yeah,

676
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 11: Cindy and I are watching George's examine another room and

677
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 11: she can hear everything. So when Georgia Levo asked this question, uh,

678
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Speaker 11: Cindy has a view of the hands. He let's say yeah,

679
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Speaker 11: and so she offers it up.

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Speaker 2: And as it turns out, that was exactly what happened,

681
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Speaker 2: and George was telling the truth because they were separated

682
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Speaker 2: at that time. To minding, we've been talking a lot

683
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Speaker 2: about George Anthony, but what about Cindy Anthony. Take a

684
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Speaker 2: listen to renowned a polygrapher. George Olivo questioning Cindy Anthony, do.

685
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Speaker 13: You believe your daughter knows what happened?

686
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Speaker 7: Yes, I believe one hundred percent, and I kept hoping

687
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Speaker 7: upon hope that she would confess. And that's the only

688
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Speaker 7: reason I've been put myself through all of her drama and.

689
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Speaker 13: Everything absolutely correct.

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Speaker 7: Since June sixteenth, two thousand and eight, Kaylee has been

691
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Speaker 7: my number one priority as far as what happened to

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Speaker 7: her in getting her back. I lost Casey and my

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Speaker 7: granddaughter that day, but Kaylee was always the priority. Kaylee's

694
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Speaker 7: always been the priority. That's been my focusing goal the

695
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 7: whole time is to find out the truth and to

696
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Speaker 7: sit here and listen to her, keep making different stories

697
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Speaker 7: as it fits.

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Speaker 10: I haven't.

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Speaker 13: Attack.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry. I take my handside, girls, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 13: Breath please, I'll take them with you. We're going to

702
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Speaker 13: get through this.

703
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm starting to lose it.

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to faint. I'm starting to pass out.

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Speaker 13: I don't know what I want to it down the

706
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 13: floor to say, what's going to do with you? Okay,

707
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 13: you want to go to the hospital.

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Speaker 3: Need to breathe.

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Speaker 2: M just got Morgan joining us death investigator, what is

710
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: a panic attack?

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Speaker 12: The individual starts to uptake uh less oxygen. Okay, so

712
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 12: there's shallow breathing at that point in tom And for

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Speaker 12: an individual that experiences this, one of the one of

714
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Speaker 12: the kind of consequences of this is that they think

715
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Speaker 12: many times that they're actually having a heart attack, to

716
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 12: have palpitations in their heart, rapid heartbeat, rabbit pulse, and

717
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 12: they'll become lightheaded. And again that goes back to the

718
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Speaker 12: lack of oxygenation. It's hard to remain focused, particularly in

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Speaker 12: an instance like this, because you can imagine this is

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Speaker 12: rather high pressure, and then you coupled all of that

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Speaker 12: with all of the family nuances that are involved in this,

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Speaker 12: and it can be troubled.

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Speaker 2: To Tony Harris, the journalist who hosted this A and Special, what.

724
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Speaker 3: Happened when Cindy had a panic attack?

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Speaker 11: She took the question that was being asked, and she

726
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Speaker 11: was responding to a particularly stunny allegation in cases Special,

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Speaker 11: and she just as was described a moment ago, the

728
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Speaker 11: breathing became shallow. She was clutching at her chest a bit,

729
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Speaker 11: and she just said, look, I just need to take

730
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Speaker 11: a moment here because I need to take my anxiety medicine.

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Speaker 11: And that's the part maybe you heard in it, but

732
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Speaker 11: she said I need to take my anxiety medicine. She

733
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Speaker 11: goes into the bedroom, George follows her. But there were

734
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Speaker 11: a couple of moments of that. There were at least

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Speaker 11: three moments when the weight of everything that was going

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Speaker 11: on was clearly impacting her. She got really upset when

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Speaker 11: she didn't think that George answered a question that I posed,

738
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Speaker 11: that he didn't answer it properly or correctly or in

739
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Speaker 11: as strong a fashion as he should have, and she

740
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Speaker 11: kind of lost it on George at that moment. There

741
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Speaker 11: was a moment in the taping of this where I

742
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Speaker 11: just said, look, we just need a bit of a

743
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Speaker 11: break in. Georgia, need to take you aside, because there

744
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Speaker 11: was a pressure to this whole interview. We were together

745
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Speaker 11: for four days and there was pressure building.

746
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Speaker 5: Well.

747
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Speaker 2: Of course, they have been pillorayed by millions of people

748
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Speaker 2: as liars, as killers, as child molesters ever since Kelly

749
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Speaker 2: went missing, and this is their chance to take a

750
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Speaker 2: polygra on video and prove that they're telling the truth.

751
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Speaker 2: I mean, Alexis Tereschuk joining me from Crime Stories as

752
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter Alexis.

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Speaker 3: You and I were there.

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Speaker 2: I think we were up in the balcony watching the trial.

755
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Speaker 2: Cindy would turn as white as a sheet up on

756
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Speaker 2: the stand. I thought she was going to pass out

757
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Speaker 2: when she was testifying at trial.

758
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Speaker 8: Because she was lying. She lied on for Casey. She

759
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 8: even though her granddaughter had been murdered by her daughter,

760
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Speaker 8: and she knew it. She knew this in her heart.

761
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Speaker 8: She knew she didn't do it. She knew George didn't

762
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Speaker 8: do it. She knew George didn't. It's actually abused. Casey

763
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Speaker 8: wasn't the father of little Kayley. She still got on

764
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Speaker 8: the stand and lied about her internet searches, trying to

765
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Speaker 8: take the blame for the things, when Casey was the

766
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Speaker 8: one that was trying to figure out through the Internet

767
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Speaker 8: how to kill her daughter.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what else Cindy Anthony says

769
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Speaker 2: regarding what happened to Kelly.

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Speaker 11: Listen, but I'm sensing some tension after her space partly

771
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Speaker 11: bath sure, she can.

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Speaker 3: Change our life. They can change our life. This is serious.

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Speaker 13: Okay, Well you both ready to hear her allegations.

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Speaker 3: I want to go on as long as George feels comfortable.

775
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Speaker 3: What did you mean by that, Tony? Are you ready

776
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Speaker 3: to hear her allegations? What did you mean by that?

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Speaker 11: So our setup was we were sitting in their home,

778
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Speaker 11: in their living room, and they had not watched What

779
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 11: they said to me is that they had not watched

780
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 11: Casey's documentary and so they were going to watch her

781
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 11: accusations in real time for the first time. They had

782
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 11: heard from friends, from press accounts what Casey was alleging,

783
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 11: but they were going to hear this from their daughter

784
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Speaker 11: for the first time. And when they heard this, needless

785
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 11: to say, it was pretty horrendous for them. Both George

786
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 11: and Cindy had physical reactions to what they were hearing.

787
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Speaker 3: Well, wait, what do you mean by that?

788
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Speaker 2: They had physical reactions to hearing their daughter lie about them?

789
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Speaker 11: Oh, well, this is again. These are the moments leading

790
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 11: up to a couple of breaks, I mean real sort

791
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 11: of emotional breaks for Cindy where she jumps up off

792
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 11: the couch right and there are stairs and side eyes

793
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 11: and everything else that seemed to speak volumes in those moments.

794
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 11: There's an accusation and George is trying to respond to it,

795
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Speaker 11: and Cindy's reacting to his response, So there was a

796
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Speaker 11: lot of body language. The thing I love about George's

797
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 11: exam is that it is it is gathering all of

798
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Speaker 11: the physiology. It is it is fingers moving and his

799
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 11: eyes batting, it is feet tapping, it is picking up

800
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Speaker 11: all of that. And as I'm watching the exam, I'm saying, Wow,

801
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 11: this is the same stuff I was seeing as I

802
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 11: was sitting across from them, as they were responding to

803
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 11: all of this, all of this non verbal information.

804
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: Hey, Tony, I was recently asked to take par in

805
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Speaker 2: a special TV program about Top Mom Casey Anthony, and

806
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: I asked about exactly what they wanted me to do.

807
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: I could not ask ask.

808
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: My own questions. I could not control the editing. It

809
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: was not A and E by the way.

810
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: They could cut out her responses if they didn't like it,

811
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: they could cut my questions. Bottom line, it wouldn't be true.

812
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: What was going to be presented. I don't think was

813
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 2: going to be the full truth, the truth, the whole truth,

814
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: and nothing but the truth. And I couldn't guarantee that,

815
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Speaker 2: so I would have nothing.

816
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Speaker 3: To do with it at all.

817
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Tony Harris, in any way

818
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: have these lie detector tests on George and Cindy Anthony

819
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: been manipulated in any way for the viewer.

820
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Speaker 11: I will tell you what I know to be true

821
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 11: from the bottom, the top, the bottom of my heart.

822
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Speaker 11: I sat there in the room adjacent to where the

823
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Speaker 11: exams are going on. There was no manipulation. There was

824
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Speaker 11: these questions. They were very specific about the questions. George

825
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 11: had two exams, Cindy had one exam. The questions were

826
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Speaker 11: very specific, very pointed, and in our review of it

827
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Speaker 11: for the broadcast, Georgia Lebo says, here are the questions.

828
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Speaker 11: Not only does he repeat the question in front of

829
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Speaker 11: George and Cindy and me before he gives the results,

830
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Speaker 11: we cut to him asking those very same questions in

831
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Speaker 11: the actual exam. Okay, now that's the kind of transparency

832
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Speaker 11: we brought to this. I have no idea what kind

833
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Speaker 11: of transparency what took place in cases a version of

834
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Speaker 11: the story, but I can vouch for what we did

835
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Speaker 11: one hundred and ten percent.

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Speaker 3: I don't either, Tony. I wouldn't touch that with a

837
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Speaker 3: ten foot poll.

838
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Speaker 2: You know, I didn't spend my whole life fighting for victims'

839
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Speaker 2: rights and trying cases and taking the attacks of other

840
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: people to lose all of that work, to have it

841
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: smeared by taking part and a quote special where the

842
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: program is manipulated to show only what some producer wants

843
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:25,959
Speaker 2: you to see.

844
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Speaker 3: John W.

845
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Speaker 2: Deal joining me, high profile lawyer out of Winter Park, Florida,

846
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Speaker 2: this jurisdiction.

847
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 3: You can find him at John W. Deal dot com.

848
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 3: You know, top Mom never took a lie detector that was.

849
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: Made public by the anyway, never offered to take a

850
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: lie detector. Never, Gee, I wonder why you got Georgia

851
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: Cindy stepping up and hitting a home run. Top Mom,

852
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: Casey Anthony would never dare She wouldn't get close to

853
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Speaker 2: a lie detector.

854
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 9: She would never get close to the cross examination either. Obviously,

855
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 9: never sent for her deposition, took the fenth amendment even

856
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 9: though she had already been acquitted. So, you know, a

857
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 9: lot of people would like to answer some questions, and

858
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Speaker 9: especially now that if you think about it, Kaylee is right.

859
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 9: It would be eighteen eighteen, almost nineteen. It's about the

860
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 9: same age that Kasey wes when she had her So

861
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 9: that just shows you that it's a whole lifetime essentially. Now,

862
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 9: little Kaylee, all of this going on, and the damage

863
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 9: just continues to continues from Kasey Anstey.

864
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: And remember when we found out that OJ Sepson took

865
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Speaker 2: a lide detector.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Sidney, can you look up his desk?

867
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Speaker 10: Gore?

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Speaker 3: I think it was like a negative forty two.

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Speaker 2: And of course they would never present that in front

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Speaker 2: of a jury, and typically light detectors are not allowed

871
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: in a criminal case unless both parties stipulate to the

872
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: admission of the lie detector before the test is taken.

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Speaker 3: But that jury never knews Sepsent had totally faun I mean,

874
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Speaker 3: worse than a zero. It's like a negative.

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00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: Just tell me, Sydney negative twenty four, not just just zero,

876
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: but a negative twenty four.

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Speaker 3: That's how badly you flaunked it.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, is anybody on this panel ever heard

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Speaker 2: the top mom Casey Anthony even took a polygraph, much.

880
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: Less passed a polygraph?

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00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 9: No, no, no, ever, no way.

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00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: So to you, George Olivo, did they.

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Speaker 14: Pass absolutely they did?

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Speaker 3: How much did they pass? Did they make a seventy

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Speaker 3: or did they make a ninety? Or do you just

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Speaker 3: say pass fail?

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Speaker 14: Well, the numbers don't really mean much unless you understand

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Speaker 14: the scoring scale and I'm not sure you just mentioned

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Speaker 14: something about j Simpson. There's different formats and legitimate polygraph,

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Speaker 14: and I guess for me, the selfish thing I want

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Speaker 14: to put out there is for people to know that

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Speaker 14: there's clearly a difference between legitimate polygraph and movie and

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Speaker 14: TV polygraph. You know, you have to understand the difference

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Speaker 14: between a real apple and a plastic apple. It's the difference.

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Speaker 14: And so there's different scoring scales, and there's different formats

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Speaker 14: for testing.

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Speaker 3: You have to you know, good examiner has Okay, stop

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Speaker 3: you're making my headspin. Did they pass it or not?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, they did pass it.

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Speaker 3: Both of them passed it. Would you go so far

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Speaker 3: to say they passed it with flying colors?

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Speaker 14: Yes, not that I would want to put, you know,

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Speaker 14: a value on you know, truth or not truth in

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Speaker 14: terms of a little bit of truth or a lot

905
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Speaker 14: of truth.

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Speaker 12: They passed.

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Speaker 14: They're telling the truth.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure you're not also a lawyer, because that

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Speaker 2: was a yes, no question. Well did they pass with

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Speaker 2: flying collars?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 11: No? Well yes, yes, it would be a yes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, then yes they did. They passed with flying colors.

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Speaker 3: And Todd I won't even get in the same room

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Speaker 3: with a polygrapher, you know.

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Speaker 2: And again this is no face to you, Tony Harris,

917
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Speaker 2: because I really not only enjoyed seeing Cindy and George again. Yeah,

918
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Speaker 2: but I'm glad they took the test. I'm glad they

919
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Speaker 2: took the test because so many people have doubted them.

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Speaker 2: Of course, those people are still probably gonna be naysayers,

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Speaker 2: even though they have a legitimate polygraph task that George

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Speaker 2: and City passed. Yeah, but I'm telling you day one,

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Speaker 2: they were the ones that were looking for Kelly. They're

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Speaker 2: the ones that call nine to one one. They are

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Speaker 2: the ones that took the stand. They are the ones

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Speaker 2: that took care of the baby. They did not hurt Kelly.

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Speaker 2: But I'm really proud to talk to you Tony Harris

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Speaker 2: and to you Georgia Levo, because you have given scientific

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Speaker 2: proof to what my heart told me on day one.

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Speaker 2: But in the end, no justice for Kelly, and that

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Speaker 2: is like eating a dirt sandwich.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to A and E for what you have

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Speaker 3: done for us.

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Speaker 13: Goodby's gonna