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Speaker 1: Just a few moments ago, just happened. We're on top

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Speaker 1: Trump is making more headway in his administration's effort to

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Speaker 1: end the war in Ukraine. Today he spent nearly three

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Speaker 1: hours on the phone with Russian President of Vladimir Putin,

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Speaker 1: and when the call ended, Trump and Putin had agreed

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Speaker 1: to seek he limited ceasefire and Ukraine focused on ending

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Speaker 1: attacks on energy and maritime infrastructure in that wall. Now,

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Speaker 1: while there's a lot more work to be done before

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Speaker 1: any deals reach, one thing is clear. Less than sixty

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Speaker 1: days into his presidency, Donald Trump has already made more

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Speaker 1: progress on peace in the Russia Ukraine, more than his

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Speaker 1: predecessor did during the past few years since the war started. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: the controversy over a federal judge, James Boseberg's order escalated today.

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Speaker 1: As you know, that's the judge who ruled that President

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Speaker 1: Trump could not deport illegal alien gang members violent gang members.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Brandon Gill of Texas just introduced impeachment articles against

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Speaker 1: the Democrat appointed judge, saying Bosberg abused his judicial power

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Speaker 1: by ruling that the president could not get rid of quote,

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Speaker 1: violent and demented criminals, many of them deranged murders. How

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Speaker 1: about that? Meanwhile, Supreme Court Justice Chief Supreme Court Chief

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Speaker 1: Justice John Roberts unexpectedly waded into this view as well,

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Speaker 1: saying he doesn't believe impeachment is the right solution when

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Speaker 1: political disa leaders disagree with rulings. We'll get more on

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Speaker 1: that over the next few weeks. We'll see how the

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Speaker 1: appeals process plays out. Finally, the two Irish agents who

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Speaker 1: blew the whistle on Hunter Biden and then suffered retaliation

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Speaker 1: got a piece of good news today from President Trump.

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Speaker 1: In fact, both were promoted to special advisors to the

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Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary. Agents Gary Shapley Joe Ziegler who you saw

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Speaker 1: on this show. They came on several times, suffered much

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Speaker 1: retaliation after they did the right thing, and many are

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Speaker 1: happy to see that they finally have gotten rewarded for

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Speaker 1: following the law. All right, it's a great time to

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Speaker 1: bring in my amazing ghost Aman ahead from more headlines, Amanda,

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Speaker 1: what are you watching?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I believe last time we had them on, we

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Speaker 2: brought up the notion that maybe they would have some

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Speaker 1: Have them all right?

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Speaker 2: I want to open again tonight with some more media malpractice.

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Speaker 2: And before I get into it, let me just show

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Speaker 2: you this clip from the opening of CBS Evening News

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Speaker 2: last night and tell me if you can spot what

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Speaker 2: is wrong with it?

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Speaker 3: On this Saint Patrick's Day, as millions of Americans celebrate

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Speaker 3: their Irish heritage. Recent events remind us that the Irish

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Speaker 3: were among the first immigrants to be targeted in deportation crackdowns.

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Speaker 1: It's mid eighteen hundreds New York and Massachusetts and forced

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Speaker 1: policies to have Irish immigrants rounded up and deported.

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Speaker 3: The American Civil Liberties Union didn't exist then, but if

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Speaker 3: it had, it may have taken the legal position it

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Speaker 3: is taking now, suing the Trump administration to stop what

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Speaker 2: I think that equating what is happening with Venezuelan gang

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Speaker 2: members illegally entering the United States and then being deported,

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Speaker 2: it's not the same thing as Irish immigrants what they

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Speaker 2: that that comparison works at all. In factive orders on

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Speaker 2: journalistic malpractice. And I don't mean to send you all

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Speaker 2: really is not working anymore with the American public. Deporting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I do think about the media having another

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Speaker 1: bad week. You Associated Press had to retract the story

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Speaker 1: of retract the false statement in their story saying that

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Speaker 1: Telca Gabbert had claimed that President Trump and President Putin

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Speaker 1: were good friends. That's not what he said. He actually said.

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Speaker 1: It was President Bodi of India, a little bit different

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Speaker 1: the Trump White House over the last few weeks. All right,

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Speaker 1: we're very lucky, as we last night we broke the

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Speaker 1: at the Capitol, possible weapons coming into the capital around

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Speaker 1: the time that President Trump was speaking both on January

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Speaker 1: twentieth and on March fourth. The man who gave us

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Speaker 1: as secure as it needs to be, he's joining us

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Speaker 1: right now. He's currently the chairman of the Special January

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Speaker 1: Congressman from the great state of Georgia. Our good friend,

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Speaker 1: Barry Ottamock, it's a chairman. Good to have you back

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 4: It's always good to be with you both, and it's

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Speaker 4: been a little while, but I'm glad to be back.

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Speaker 1: We are glad to have you. Every time you come on.

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Speaker 1: We always learn a lot of new things. Now. I know,

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Speaker 1: even though you're on Judiciary and you've left the administration,

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Speaker 1: you keep an eye on capital security is very close

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Speaker 1: to your heart. I know you've probably known something about

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Speaker 1: these two security episodes that are being investigated. What do

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Speaker 4: As you said, all along through our investigation into what

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Speaker 4: was a security breakdown? What led to the security failure

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Speaker 4: at the Capitol? Regardless of who did it and how

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Speaker 4: violent they were, they should have never been able to

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Speaker 4: which not only include Capitol Police, but you look at

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Speaker 4: But in all of that, we saw that there were

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of covering up, There was a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of scapegoating going on, and so even within the last

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Speaker 4: to continue probing deeply into the US Capitol Police and

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Speaker 4: now with them. Look, the Inspector General is not as

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Speaker 4: and there's no whistleblowor protection for Capitol Police officers. And

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Speaker 4: in fact, these latest incidents were brought to my attention

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Speaker 4: showing there's been no significant improvement. In fact, maybe even

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Speaker 1: That is something. So let me just follow up on

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Speaker 1: the January twentieth episode, which is a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: We're just starting to get some sense of what happened.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us what the officers told you about

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Speaker 1: what happened that day, whether someone walked around a magnitometer

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Speaker 4: Well, there was a couple of things that was brought

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Speaker 4: you know, how much how much there is to it,

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Speaker 4: And of course without the committee that I previously had

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Speaker 1: Ability to do some of the probing. But what I

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Speaker 4: That there was someone who was escorted around a magnetometer

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Speaker 1: Now I've had some tell me that it was.

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Speaker 4: Not verified, but that person may have been in the

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Speaker 2: It's terrifying thing. And as far as we know right now,

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Speaker 4: Secret Service knew they rely heavily on the security of

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Speaker 4: the US Capitol Police. In an instance like this where

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Speaker 4: we have some level of authority. I mean, they can

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Speaker 4: Obviously Capitol Police officers are, but I think the probe

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's important. So you not only reminded us that

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Speaker 1: maybe the Capital wasn't as security as me, but your

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Speaker 1: final re part also pointed out that there was some

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Speaker 1: communication gaps between the Secret Service and the Capitol Police

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Speaker 1: in earlier episodes. One of those the January sixth day

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Speaker 1: when the pipe bombs were discovered. You continue to follow

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Speaker 1: this and dig on this. You're not taking a note

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Speaker 1: for an answer. I understand the FBI may have turned

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Speaker 1: over some documents recently to the Judiciary Committee. Do you

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Speaker 1: know anything about that? Where are we getting any closer

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Speaker 1: to what happened with those pipe bombs? We're getting more information.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the Department of Justice is cooperating, which is a

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Speaker 1: Then Yeah, one thing we'll know, when you set your

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. We've seen quite a bit in the

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Speaker 5: Much for being here, and thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Sir, you have served the people of Colorado and this

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Speaker 5: Well, I think you've got two categories of democrats.

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Speaker 6: By a lot of these folks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Uplift Act unhandcuffing police to locate an interdict

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Speaker 5: It absolutely endangers law enforcement. I mean we're talking the

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Speaker 5: and violent gangs and cartels that are committing crimes and

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Speaker 5: dealing poison like fentanyl in our communities. And in Colorado,

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Speaker 5: it is the people who pay the price. Colorado is

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Speaker 5: number two in the nation for teenagers overdosing and dying

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Speaker 5: on fentanyl, which again in my area, is predominantly trafficked

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Speaker 5: by the Jalisco and the Ininaloa cartels.

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Speaker 1: That's so tragic and so unnecessary. Sir, you're a law

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Speaker 1: and order guy when you see a federal judge tell

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Speaker 1: the President of the United States he can't remove a

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Speaker 1: legal alien gang members who pose an imminent danger to

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Speaker 1: Americans from the country. He can't do it to protect Americans.

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Speaker 1: What runs through your mind? And honey, I think the

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Speaker 1: courts will ultimately resolve this.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, I think we've already seen what's going

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Speaker 5: to happen there. The Trump administration has appealed that because

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Speaker 5: it makes no sense. We have to be able to

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Speaker 5: get violent criminals out of our communities when they're committing crimes,

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Speaker 5: and we've seen the direct impact of that in districts

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Speaker 5: like mine again Trend.

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Speaker 6: De Aragua.

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Speaker 5: They had being referred to as the nightclub basically their hangout,

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Speaker 5: not an actual nightclub, just their hangout spot actually in

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Speaker 5: my district, and we saw a major raid that was

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Speaker 5: coordinated by several different federal law enforcement agencies, take almost

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Speaker 5: fifty of these members into custody, and then immediately turn

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Speaker 5: around and deport them, because getting these folks out of

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Speaker 5: our community is the best and the fastest way to

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Speaker 5: be able to protect public safety and make sure that

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Speaker 5: we actually have safe places for our families. And so

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Speaker 5: that unfortunately was not happening under the previous administration. It's

467
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Speaker 5: not happened under the sanctuary state policies, and so we

468
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Speaker 5: desperately needed a new administration to come in and within

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Speaker 5: a couple of weeks round up dozens of these known

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Speaker 5: violent foreign criminals and gang bangers.

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Speaker 2: Sir, before we let you go, I got to ask

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Speaker 2: you about the money and the budgeting side of things.

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Speaker 2: Republicans pretty smoothly got through the cr process, including in

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Speaker 2: the Senate, which I think was maybe a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a surprise towards the end of things. But now

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Speaker 2: the real work begins, and Republicans certainly seem to be

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Speaker 2: more unified now than they were even in the one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighteenth or one hundred and seventeenth Congress. How unified, though,

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is when the pedal hits the pavement.

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Speaker 2: This is when we are going to find out just

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Speaker 2: how unified you are.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 5: They say in sports, success breed success, and we've already

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Speaker 5: had three big successes where.

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Speaker 6: The pundit said we couldn't do it.

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Speaker 5: They said we wouldn't get a Speaker of the House

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Speaker 5: in the first vote we did. They said we wouldn't

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Speaker 5: pass a Reconciliation Resolution out of the House. We did,

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Speaker 5: and they said we wouldn't be able to pass a

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Speaker 5: continuing resolution, which actually helps to reverse the trend by

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Speaker 5: lowering government spending while fully funding all of the critical

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Speaker 5: functions of government.

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Speaker 6: That we need.

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Speaker 5: We were able to pass that out of the House,

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Speaker 5: and so again, I think that we are unified, and

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Speaker 5: I'm very confident that going forward, we're going to be

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Speaker 5: able to address a lot of these different issues and

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Speaker 5: be able to continue on the good work that the

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Speaker 5: administration is doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep calling it the Patty LaBelle Congress. There's

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Speaker 2: a new attitude on the Capitol Hill and it's really

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Speaker 2: really nice to see Congress. And Gabe Evans from Colorado,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, coming up, we are still waiting on

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Speaker 2: the JFK files to be released. We're going to have

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Speaker 1: rest of the show as these astronauts finally get their

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Speaker 1: feet back on Earth after a pretty long time up

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Speaker 1: in space. All right, we want to also turn to

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Speaker 1: the other big story in the day, and that is

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Speaker 1: that we believe before midnight tonight, I hopefully that the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department in National Archives will release the last of

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Speaker 1: the JFK assassination documents that are in the government's possession.

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Speaker 1: Now we've had this expert on before. I think he's

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Speaker 1: the best. He knows more about what's in and what's

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Speaker 1: not in the documents and anyone I know. He's an attorney,

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Speaker 1: and he's done so much in the JFK assassination records

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Speaker 1: case to get us to this point. He is Larry Snapp, Larry,

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Speaker 1: good to have you back on the show. Sar, all right,

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Speaker 1: thank you. All right, we could be just a few

563
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Speaker 1: minutes or hours away from a long awaited release. What's

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Speaker 1: your expectation, Well, will be disappointed, We'll be enthralled. What

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Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I get's another case of President Trump.

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Speaker 7: He's on his skis ready to go down the slope,

568
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Speaker 7: and the bureaucraft are still putting their ski boots on.

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Speaker 7: He wanted to release the records this morning, and apparently

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Speaker 7: last night the Department of Justice national security lawyers were

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Speaker 7: told to start.

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Speaker 6: Reviewing the records. So we're very excited.

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Speaker 7: There's eighty thousand record records pages supposedly being dumped and

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Speaker 7: also roughly fifteen thousand FBI records we've never seen before.

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Speaker 7: So we're very excited about the possibility. A little concerned that,

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Speaker 7: you know, the Department of Justice lawyers are looking at this.

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Speaker 7: We don't know what criteria they're using, but I guess

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Speaker 7: we'll deal with that when the time comes.

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Speaker 6: There are a couple of things I'm looking for.

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Speaker 7: The first I'm looking for is the FBI files, obviously,

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Speaker 7: because we've never seen them before. And you know, most

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Speaker 7: of the FBI files that are in the collection right

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Speaker 7: now pertain to the mafia, you know, names withheld and

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Speaker 7: that sort of stuff. So that's what I'm going to

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Speaker 7: look at at first. And then what we really want

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Speaker 7: to know is there are records that the government possesses

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Speaker 7: that were not in the JFK collection, other words, not

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Speaker 7: in the collection that the National Archives has control over.

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Speaker 7: And I sent a letter to the White House Council

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Speaker 7: in February advising him of these records that are not

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Speaker 7: in the collection, and we're hoping that whatever it gets released,

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Speaker 7: it includes these kinds of records, and they include Joe

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Speaker 7: and Ed's files, who was a liaison for the CIA

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Speaker 7: with the Cuban missile of the Cuban exile group in

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Speaker 7: New Orleans. There was also Donald Heath memo that he

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Speaker 7: was the CIA person tasked over the weekend of the

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Speaker 7: assassination to go down the Miami and determine if there's

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Speaker 7: any Cubans involved in the assassination.

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Speaker 6: He referred to records that no one has seen. We have.

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Speaker 7: David Attley Phillips, who was a misinformation for the CIA.

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Speaker 6: His records are withheld.

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Speaker 7: There's some stuff at Angleton, and there's some testimony before

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Speaker 7: the House of the Church.

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Speaker 6: Committee that has not been released. And there's allegedly a.

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Speaker 7: Tape that was sealed since the mid eighties of Carlos

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Speaker 7: marcell in jail allegedly confessing to being behind the assassination.

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Speaker 7: So we're kind of looking for those things. It's not

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Speaker 7: going to be a smoking gun. No one's going to

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Speaker 7: be dumb enough to put something in writing and say

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Speaker 7: here's how we're going to kill the president. But just

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Speaker 7: like the CIA has postponed the records because they're afraid

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Speaker 7: that somehow the mosaic, a mosaic could be created by

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Speaker 7: our adversaries about our methods and procedures those of us

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Speaker 7: on the JFK research side are also hoping that whatever

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Speaker 7: comes out is going to give us a mosaic more

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Speaker 7: information that historians can put together about circumstances surrounding the assassination.

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Speaker 7: So we're not going to see, you know, anyone saying

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Speaker 7: here's how who, here's who's going to kill the president,

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Speaker 7: But we're going to learn about leads they pursued, people,

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Speaker 7: they didn't talk to, what they talked to and chose

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Speaker 7: not to associations, also, what they have had with people

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Speaker 7: in New Orleans and elsewhere. So you know, it's going

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Speaker 7: to be stuff that it's probably going to take months

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Speaker 7: to kind of get to the bottom of this. I mean,

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Speaker 7: we've organized a group and each one of us is

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Speaker 7: going to be looking at different areas where we're actually

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Speaker 7: creating ANAI search engine to try to enhance our ability

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Speaker 7: to search the records.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Larry, I have what some would probably consider a

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Speaker 2: pipe dream, but that is ultimate transparency of the government.

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Speaker 2: What do you think it would ever take for us

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Speaker 2: to get all of the information, including what is under

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Speaker 2: the redaction? Does it take everybody in all of these documents, primary, secondary,

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Speaker 2: tertiary connections to all be dead? What does it take?

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Speaker 7: Well, that is the standard that the CIA and the

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Speaker 7: FBI have been using, and that's not what the statute says.

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Speaker 7: And that's why we sued President Biden two years ago

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Speaker 7: because they were.

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Speaker 6: Not releasing names of people that.

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Speaker 7: Might have either a witnesses or information about the assassination

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Speaker 7: until they died.

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Speaker 6: They used one hundred year rule.

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Speaker 7: They would take one hundred years in a person's date

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Speaker 7: of birth, and that prevents us from interviewing these people.

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Speaker 6: So when President.

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Speaker 7: Trump came into power in twenty seventeen, the National Security

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Speaker 7: Council was tasked with, you know, reviewing the records, and

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Speaker 7: there were still a lot of deep state people working

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Speaker 7: in that department, that group. When President Trump came in

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Speaker 7: this time, he fired one hundred and fifty people. So

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Speaker 7: we're hoping that the people that were interested in hiding

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Speaker 7: things are gone and now the people that are in

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Speaker 7: there are going to want to please the president and

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Speaker 7: release all this information. Look, there might be a handful

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Speaker 7: of documents that somehow might actually have an impact or

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Speaker 7: have a threat to national security.

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Speaker 6: That can't imagine how.

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Speaker 7: But there might be a handful and maybe that can

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Speaker 7: be redacted.

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Speaker 6: I don't think anyone wants to jeopardize national security.

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Speaker 7: But for the most part, these national security arguments are

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Speaker 7: just you know, they're not meritoratorious.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think I told you lest time.

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Speaker 7: There was one document that got released in twenty nineteen,

665
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Speaker 7: and the information in there we had known forever. The

666
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Speaker 7: reason they had not released it was because the information

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Speaker 7: had been gathered by our listening station in Australia, and

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Speaker 7: we had promised that the Australian government in the nineteen

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Speaker 7: sixties we wouldn't let never let anyone know we had

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Speaker 7: a listening station on their soil. Meanwhile, the cike's postponing

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Speaker 7: these records. While the most popular TV show in the

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Speaker 7: twenty tens in Australia is about our CIA listening station.

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Speaker 6: We have a problem at overclassification in this country.

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Speaker 1: Were you here just for a second, because they've just

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Speaker 1: opened the hatch of the capsule and the astronauts who've

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Speaker 1: been in space for nine months are going to be

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Speaker 1: back home on the US soil here on a ship

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Speaker 1: in just a second. Let's see how this goes. You're

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Speaker 1: going to let everybody just watch for a second, then

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Speaker 1: we'll come back and wrap things up with you. Lar

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Speaker 1: Hang on a second, all right, They're looking in there.

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Speaker 1: They've got maybe some Okay, we're going to pipe the audience.

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Speaker 1: You can hear literally what's going on from NASA.

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Speaker 8: Remember, they're taking photos of the side hatch seal. This

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Speaker 8: is part of the standard operation for recovery. These photos

686
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Speaker 8: will get saved into our procedure. Will then install that

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Speaker 8: protective frame around the side hatch. This helps to ensure

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Speaker 8: that the side hatch itself, the edges of it, incur

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Speaker 8: no damage while crew members are coming out from the spacecraft.

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Speaker 8: If you missed it, there was also a recovery team

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Speaker 8: member that went inside. So there are now five people

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Speaker 8: on board the Dragon spacecraft.

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Speaker 9: And if you are just joining us, it has not

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Speaker 9: yet even been an hour since Crew nine splashed down

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Speaker 9: off the coast of Tallahassee, Florida at two fifty seven

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Speaker 9: pm Pacific time. The crew is now on board the

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Speaker 9: recovery vessel Megan, and the hatch is open. The next

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Speaker 9: major milestone that we'll see is when the crew will

699
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Speaker 9: actually egress or exit the spacecraft, but before that they'll

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Speaker 9: continue to the recovery personnel rather will continue to install

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Speaker 9: that protective area around the hatch and then remove the

702
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Speaker 9: footrests so we're a couple of minutes away from seeing

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Speaker 9: the crew egress, but not too too long away.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're going to stay with this that

705
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Speaker 1: we really want to see the Zasternis come out and

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Speaker 1: get the back on the ground first. Learally, I want

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Speaker 1: to say thank you all the work you've done over

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Speaker 1: the years to get us to this moment, and whenever

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Speaker 1: it happens, you have made a big role, play a

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Speaker 1: bit roll in that. And I have a funny filing

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Speaker 1: I've been here from my source at Carlos Marcelo could

712
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Speaker 1: be a very big part of tomorrow's release. So thank

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Speaker 1: you for all the work you've done that and I

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Speaker 1: think we'll get you back on maybe as early as

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Speaker 1: tomorrow to get through the good stuff.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, eighty thousand pages. I'll be working hard.

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Speaker 2: So okay, maybe we'll give you a day.

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Speaker 1: We might have to have you back on a couple

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Speaker 1: of days in a row. Yeah, we'll do that. But

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Speaker 1: it's always a great honor, and the work you've done

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Speaker 1: is a freedom of information act lergy just get the

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Speaker 1: American people the truth. It's greatly appreciated. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us tonight.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great to have you all right, folks. In a

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Speaker 1: couple of seconds, we're going to bring on our nextst

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Speaker 1: We're going to blow through the break here because we

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Speaker 1: want you to see the accident. So we got a

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Speaker 1: glimpse of mohere. I got that a little bit of

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Speaker 1: camera action there. There's five people in that little tiny capsle.

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Speaker 1: Just think about that. I did a good thing in

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Speaker 1: that claustrophobic. That'd be pretty tough. We're gonna watch this

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Speaker 1: in a second, and then we're going to bring in

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Speaker 1: our next guest, Josh Haammer, and I know he's got

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Speaker 1: a new book out that everybody's talking about. Also does

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Speaker 1: great work at Newsweek, so that's going to be an

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Speaker 1: exciting interview. But I think we're almost at that moment, folk.

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Speaker 1: So it looks like they took the picture of asking,

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Speaker 1: let's say, look to be unbuckled, so I think they're

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Speaker 1: probably ready to murder. I don't we get sound back

741
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Speaker 1: in control room, but I find have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of sound here.

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Speaker 8: Seats ego first, as it makes moving around inside the

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Speaker 8: capsule a little bit easier. We can see the tablets

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Speaker 8: that were previously located on the upper leg of the

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Speaker 8: crew members. We can see those being handed out to

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Speaker 8: the recovery team.

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Speaker 6: Those were taken off prior.

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Speaker 8: To u to the entry FAYE to spacecraft re entry,

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Speaker 8: those had to be stored and secured prior to dynamic operations.

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Speaker 9: That looks like we are starting to see the foot rets.

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Speaker 9: Foot rests also be removed. I just saw one there

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Speaker 9: on the screen, or four, of course, one for each

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Speaker 9: crew member.

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Speaker 8: Those footrests are made out of carbon fiber and are

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Speaker 8: actually sized appropriately for each crew member as everybody has

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Speaker 8: different measurements and different legs lengths. Same goes for the

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Speaker 8: arm rests and the bucket length of each seat. We

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Speaker 8: size those appropriately for the crew members and to ensure

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Speaker 8: their comfort and safety. I believe we just saw the

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Speaker 8: little ramp that is used to help slide the crew

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Speaker 8: members out from from inside the spacecraft.

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Speaker 9: And once the crew does exit Dragon Freedom, they will

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Speaker 9: be placed on to a structure to go to a

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Speaker 9: medical bay for medical checkouts. This is standard procedure for

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Speaker 9: all Dragon spacecraft flights that splash down crude as well

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Speaker 9: as for our soy used spacecraft that land in Kazakhstan.

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Speaker 8: We can see the exterior of Dragon Freedom quite clearly

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Speaker 8: in this shot and it's such a beautiful sight. I

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Speaker 8: personally prefer the capsule when it has some of that

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Speaker 8: charring from atmospheric re entry. It is the signature sign

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Speaker 8: of a capsule that has returned to Earth.

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Speaker 9: Continuing to stand by for our first crew member to

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Speaker 9: egress or exit for Dragon Freedom falling there splash down

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Speaker 9: at two fifty seven pm Pacific time. Dragon undocked from

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Speaker 9: the International Space Station at ten oh five pm Pacific

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Speaker 9: just yesterday, so it was about seventeen hours of phasing.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, we are going to have our producers

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Speaker 2: keeping an eye on that and we'll go straight to

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Speaker 2: it when the astronaut to start egressing. That was a

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Speaker 2: new term that I learned today, but basically stepping out

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Speaker 2: of the capsule, all right. I want to tear in

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Speaker 2: our attention to what's going on in Israel recently. Israeli

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Speaker 2: for Is announced earlier today that air strikes on the

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Speaker 2: Gaza Strip had eliminated the leader of Hamas along with

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Speaker 2: other key Hamas officials, and meanwhile, President Trump and Russian

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Speaker 2: President Vladimir Putin both expressed their desire for stability in

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Speaker 2: that region and for Iran to cease hostilities with Israel.

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Speaker 2: So joining us now to discuss all of this and

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Speaker 2: why the Trump administration's stance on Israel is so important,

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Speaker 2: not only for our own country, before the entire Western world.

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Speaker 2: Is the senior editor at large of Newsweek and author

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Speaker 2: of the book Israel and Civilization, Josh Hammer.

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Speaker 6: Josh, welcome, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Looking very forward to digging into your book and sharing

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Speaker 2: that with our audience. But I just want to get

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Speaker 2: your reaction on the air strikes that took place last night,

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Speaker 2: the news that major Hamas officials, including their leader, were

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Speaker 2: taken out. What kind of an impact does this have

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Speaker 2: on that war going forward.

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Speaker 10: Look, Hamas had every opportunity to continue this cease fire.

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Speaker 10: They turned down opportunity after opportunity. They continue to try

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Speaker 10: to extract more concessions. You know, one of mind stay

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Speaker 10: that they were not exactly negotiating in good faith, which

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Speaker 10: is what we would expect from a US designated foreign

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Speaker 10: terrorist organization, a medieval Islamist death cult trying to take

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Speaker 10: us back to the seventh century. You know, frankly, it

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Speaker 10: was only a matter of time before the IDEF went

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Speaker 10: back in meaningfully speaking, back into Gaza, especially concerning the

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Speaker 10: fact that that President Trump has all but told ben

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Speaker 10: Nettinniah who to do so, I mean Donald Trump has

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Speaker 10: said Hamas will well, we'll pay for hell He's he's

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Speaker 10: has this very bold paradigm shifting Gaza plan there. He's

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Speaker 10: basically told all but told bb that you should send

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Speaker 10: the IDF back in there. So it was really only

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Speaker 10: a matter of time I think until bb Ntsiyah, who

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Speaker 10: actually did? They're the relevant question, frankly, is is this

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Speaker 10: actually going to be it. It's been almost a year

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Speaker 10: and a half now, since October seven and twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 10: the IDF thus far has not truly finished a job.

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Speaker 10: I mean, Hamas is seriously wounded, to be clear, they

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Speaker 10: have taken massive hit after massive hit, including as you

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Speaker 10: knowed over the past twenty four hours or so.

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Speaker 1: But is this.

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Speaker 10: Actually going to be the beginning of the end for Hamas?

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Speaker 10: That's really a million dollar question. I'm frankly not entirely

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Speaker 10: sure what the answer is, but I sure hope so. Indeed,

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Speaker 10: I actually praise so as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh, before we dive into more questions, especially about

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Speaker 2: your book, We're just going to pause on this screen

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Speaker 2: for a moment. Because the astronauts are on Dragon Freedom

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Speaker 2: are supposedly getting out. We are waiting for that to happen. John.

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Speaker 2: I know it's always sop that as soon as they

835
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Speaker 2: come out, because of zero G and muscle atrophy and such,

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Speaker 2: they have to immediately be on that stressure. But I've

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Speaker 2: always kind of wondered if there are some intrepid and

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Speaker 2: you just want to get up a little confident, ask

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Speaker 2: and as they want to get up and just wabble

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Speaker 2: across the ship.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind that nine to nine months has been

842
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Speaker 1: a really extraordinary time to be under anti gravity environment,

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Speaker 1: and so these guys may have a little bit weaker

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Speaker 1: than normal muscle tone. It's going to be interesting this.

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Speaker 2: Well, none of them expect you to be there that long,

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Speaker 2: so you know, they think of all the preparation that

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Speaker 2: astronauts have to go through before a trip, and even.

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Speaker 1: On a normal short one, it sometimes takes two or

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Speaker 1: three days for the body to adjust, say, so this

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Speaker 1: may be a little bit longer, but really fascinating to

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Speaker 1: see what is going on here. You know, when you

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Speaker 1: look at these capsules when they take off, they're perfectly

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Speaker 1: bright white. Yea, they're all painted. And when they come

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Speaker 1: back and you see that little brown coloring on it.

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Speaker 1: Something is shadowing. But you also get to see just

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Speaker 1: how hot the atmosphere is and how much scorching it

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Speaker 1: does to the outer capsu of course lots of protection

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Speaker 1: on the inside, but something to really marvel at.

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Speaker 2: And even structural damage that can sometimes take place, because

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Speaker 2: I don't think people necessarily realize how tough it is

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Speaker 2: between those layers of the atmosphere. There we go, there

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Speaker 2: we God, that's the second one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's our second Yeah, that's right. Look at that.

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Speaker 2: Well, they've got longer telomerrors and younger mitochondria at this moot.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home. Good to have them home on safeground. That's great,

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Speaker 1: great news for everyone. Let's get back to Josh. What

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Speaker 1: do you say? Absolutely, Josh, this book is fantastic, And

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Speaker 1: I think you said something just as we cut you

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Speaker 1: off to get to the breaking news, and I know

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Speaker 1: your journalists you appreciate that. But I think Camas is

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily weaken you said, so, is Israel's goal now just

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Speaker 1: to fully eradicate them, never have to deal with them,

873
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Speaker 1: or is there a middle ground where they weaken them

874
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Speaker 1: further than say, all right, We're done. Let's just get

875
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Speaker 1: back to governing Gaza.

876
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Speaker 10: Look, Israel very clearly announced two war aims at the

877
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Speaker 10: beginning of this war. After October seventh, they said Hamas

878
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Speaker 10: must be completely eradicated as a political and military institution

879
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Speaker 10: in Gaza, and we want to retrieve all the hostages.

880
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Speaker 6: Those are the two war aims.

881
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Speaker 10: Thus far, they have not secured their war aims, and John,

882
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 10: I'm afraid from Israel's perspective that unless and until they

883
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Speaker 10: do so, it must be conceded that they will actually

884
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Speaker 10: have lost the war on their own terms. So I'm

885
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Speaker 10: not sure that they have a choice. They set a

886
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Speaker 10: very clear goal after October seventh, then who can fault

887
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Speaker 10: them after what happens to October seventh. So unless and

888
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Speaker 10: until they actually finish the job, I'm not entirely sure

889
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Speaker 10: how Israel maintains any kind of deterrence or credibility.

890
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Speaker 1: Frankly, in the region.

891
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Speaker 10: The thing about the Arab worlds, about the broader Muslim world,

892
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Speaker 10: is that the lingua franca, the common language there that

893
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Speaker 10: the Arab world speaks, is brute strength. That it is

894
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Speaker 10: a culture that knows strength, and really strength alone, that

895
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Speaker 10: is the only way to actually secure your place in

896
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Speaker 10: this very volatile part of the world. There in this

897
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Speaker 10: particular instance, especially given the announced war aim after Toober seven,

898
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Speaker 10: I really do think that Israel has to finish this

899
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Speaker 10: job one way or the other.

900
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Speaker 1: Great point, good.

901
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Speaker 2: Point, Josh. There are I believe, twenty four hostages who

902
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 2: are believed to still be alive, and obviously we are

903
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Speaker 2: all very sympathetic to their situation and that of their

904
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Speaker 2: family as well. But there are a lot of folks

905
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Speaker 2: out there who were saying that this was far too risky,

906
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Speaker 2: it endangered the lives of these hostages. But I spoke

907
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Speaker 2: to Addie Alexander, the father of Eiden Alexander, today, and

908
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Speaker 2: even he said that this military action felt like it

909
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: felt like the last resort, but the only resort. Do

910
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 2: you agree?

911
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Speaker 10: I totally agree. In fact, I'll actually go even further.

912
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Speaker 10: You know, I was just saying a minute or so

913
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Speaker 10: ago that Israel announced two war aims after October seventh.

914
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Speaker 10: They announced that Hamas had to go, Hamas had to

915
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Speaker 10: be eradicated, and the hostages have to come home. I've

916
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Speaker 10: actually been personally critical of those two warrings because I

917
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 10: do not think that those two war aims are actually

918
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Speaker 10: on the same footing, and that's going to sound a

919
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Speaker 10: little callous and heartless. And obviously I do not have

920
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 10: any loved ones there who have been rotting for a

921
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Speaker 10: year and a half ruled by the sickest, most satanic,

922
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 10: diabolical Jihadis on the planet, and I'm sure my stance

923
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Speaker 10: would be a little different if I were. But just

924
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Speaker 10: thinking soberly objectively speaking there, it seems to me, from

925
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Speaker 10: Israel's perspective, and really just from the United States, respective

926
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Speaker 10: from your respective, just from anyone who has skin in

927
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Speaker 10: the game, so to speak, there it seems to me

928
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Speaker 10: like the destruction and eradication of Hamas is a clearly

929
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Speaker 10: more important goal than retrieving the hostage. Again, I realize

930
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Speaker 10: that sounds heartless. I realize it sounds callous, and I'm

931
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Speaker 10: willing to take to take that criticism, but I'm just

932
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Speaker 10: trying to think geostrategically here. Militarily, it seems to me

933
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Speaker 10: to be the clearly more important of the two things.

934
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Speaker 1: So again, Israel had no choice.

935
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Speaker 10: The other thing that I will mention earlier, I was

936
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Speaker 10: saying how Donald Trump has all but told BB to

937
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Speaker 10: go back in, and he's saying that the gates of

938
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 10: hell will be opened here and all this very fiery rhetoric. Now,

939
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Speaker 10: Donald Trump is someone who I think abhors weakness and

940
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Speaker 10: respects strength. So if you are all but telling someone

941
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Speaker 10: to go back gain and finish a job, then you

942
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Speaker 10: actually have to go in and finish a job, because

943
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Speaker 10: the alternative thatent is to also look weak in the

944
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Speaker 10: eyes of your staunchest ally and your greatest supporter of

945
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Speaker 10: the United States.

946
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an important dynamic. There was a fascinating conversation

947
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Speaker 1: you starting to go on in Congress and in some

948
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Speaker 1: circles in American military, and that is it's time for

949
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Speaker 1: the United States to end it's military assistance, sort of

950
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Speaker 1: assistance that we probably structured as second or third World assistance,

951
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Speaker 1: and just treat Israel as a military trading partner a

952
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: little bit different so that there isn't under democratic presidence

953
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Speaker 1: in the future all the stricts they place on Israel

954
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Speaker 1: in future military operations. Is that gaining any popularity inside

955
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Speaker 1: Israel or in the United States? You see that possibly

956
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Speaker 1: happening here.

957
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Speaker 10: John, I've actually personally been a huge proponent of what

958
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Speaker 10: you just laid out for a long time. Now, I

959
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 10: wrote my first article calling for this maybe six or

960
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Speaker 10: seven years ago. I have I have maybe one or

961
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 10: two th words in the book making this exact argument

962
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Speaker 10: as well. It's in chapter seven or chapter seven or eight.

963
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Speaker 10: I think's chapter seven if memory serves there. So I'm

964
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Speaker 10: actually all in on this argument. I think that this

965
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Speaker 10: continued three to four billion dollars an annual aid from

966
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Speaker 10: the US Israel actually undermines both countries. It undermines the

967
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Speaker 10: United States because it's a decent amount of money, and frankly,

968
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Speaker 10: it ends up being a slush fund going to crony

969
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Speaker 10: capitalists endeavors, namely defense contractors like Boeing in north of Grumman.

970
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Speaker 10: So it's not particularly great from an American perspective, especially

971
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Speaker 10: given that we are cost conscious with an ever spliting

972
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Speaker 10: national debt and so forth. There and from Israel's perspective

973
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Speaker 10: to your point, I mean, when Democrats get in power,

974
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Speaker 10: I remember all too well in Barack Obama's second term

975
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Speaker 10: John Kerry kind of threatening and saying don't do this

976
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Speaker 10: or don't do that. I mean, it was infamously much

977
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Speaker 10: worse under Joe Biden and Anthony Blincoln as well. There,

978
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Speaker 10: So Israel, why would they want to put themselves in

979
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 10: that position either. And frankly, the notion that the State

980
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 10: of Israel could be so utterly reliant on any ally,

981
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 10: including the United States, that it's going to take orders

982
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 10: when it comes to how it conducts wars, that frankly

983
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 10: undermines the entire raison de etra. It underminds the entire

984
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 10: purpose of the modern state of Israel, which is to

985
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 10: be a place where Jews control their own homeland and

986
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 10: Jews control their own sovereignty and indeed their own destiny

987
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 10: in their ancestral homeland. So, frankly, at kind of a

988
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Speaker 10: more abstract theoretical level, I think that this current US

989
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 10: Israel aid arrangement frankly undermines the entire notion of Zionism itself. Actually,

990
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 10: so I think that both countries would stand to benefit

991
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Speaker 10: from phasing this out. I'm not saying that you cut

992
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 10: off the spagot overnight. I'm not saying, frankly, that you

993
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Speaker 10: do it in the middle of a very hot war.

994
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Speaker 10: But over the mid to long term, I think it

995
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Speaker 10: is very shrewd policy to phase this down, and.

996
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are considering that as

997
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: this moves forward. I think that the implication for Israel

998
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: if they are able to eradicate Hamas are clear for

999
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: other nations that are in that general region, for Egypt,

1000
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Speaker 2: for Jordan, for other Middle Eastern countries who have felt

1001
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Speaker 2: the detrimental implications of having Hamas in that region, what

1002
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: does it look like for them post Hamas.

1003
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Speaker 10: So Hamas is just an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood,

1004
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 10: that's an important thing to bear in minds. Here Hamas

1005
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 10: was found that as the Palestinian arab of offshoot of

1006
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Speaker 10: the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is largely bankrolled these

1007
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Speaker 10: days by two countries in particular, that would be Qatar

1008
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Speaker 10: and Turkey. Those are really the two countries above all

1009
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Speaker 10: that that fund the Muzzim Brotherhood, and those are the

1010
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Speaker 10: two countries who really have been Maldi coddling in many

1011
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 10: ways bankrolling and funding Hamas. Aran is kind of a

1012
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 10: unique case, obviously, but the Muslim Brotherhood really is is

1013
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 10: part and parcel of Hamas. So it stands to reason

1014
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Speaker 10: that if Hamas were to go, the countries that are

1015
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Speaker 10: very cozy with the Muslim Brotherhood would take a pretty

1016
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Speaker 10: serious hit. So you would think logically that that Turkey

1017
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Speaker 10: and Qatar's influence in the region might go down just

1018
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Speaker 10: a notch.

1019
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 6: Now.

1020
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Speaker 10: Turkey also just happens to effectively orchestrate a coup against

1021
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Speaker 10: Bashra al Asad in Syria that was very much Turkish

1022
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Speaker 10: backs rest of type Dwan. So so Turkey's a bit

1023
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 10: of a high note there, but they would definitely take

1024
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 10: take it down a notch. If Hamas were to go there,

1025
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Speaker 10: it would be a tremendous victory just in general for

1026
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 10: a more moderate flavor of Islam. If Hamas were to go,

1027
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Speaker 10: and if a more moderate form of Islam were to

1028
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 10: control that strip, I'm holding a soot. I'm tabling for

1029
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 10: now the Donald Trump proposal that the United States actually

1030
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 10: takes over. I'm very open to being persuaded on that,

1031
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 10: by the way, but I'm kind of just being a

1032
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 10: little bit more pragmatic maybe in saying that if it

1033
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 10: is going to stay in some sort of Muslim hands there,

1034
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 10: it'll be a tremendous upgrade to get more moderate Arabs

1035
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Speaker 10: ruling there. The most logical way that would probably play out,

1036
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Speaker 10: in my estimation, would be you would get some sort

1037
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Speaker 10: of consortium of the more moderate study Arab states, Saudi's

1038
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Speaker 10: but Bahraini's Emadi's there. That could potentially look quite good

1039
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 10: as long as there are assurances that Hamasinera comes back

1040
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 10: in the power.

1041
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh, I think we got to put a pin

1042
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: in this, but this is a great opportunity to send

1043
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Speaker 2: everybody to go check out your book, Israel and Civilization.

1044
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Speaker 2: Senior Editor at Large and Newsweek, Josh Hammer, thanks so

1045
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: much for being here tonight.

1046
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 10: Thank you guys very much.

1047
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, everybody, that's it for us tonight. THO

1048
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: was so excited to see this aster. Is very good

1049
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: to see them home, and I'm sure that this was

1050
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 2: a great homecoming just being back in the United States.

1051
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Speaker 2: All Right, everybody, we'll be back here tomorrow.