WEBVTT - Pompey and the Prince

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim

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<v Speaker 1>and Mild from Aaron Manky listener discretion advised. Duke Friedrich

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Wilhelm of Wurttemberg was a collector. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>man who would eventually fill his palace, located one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers outside Stuttgart, with countless artifacts from around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>skins from animals killed in Africa, knives from Native American tribes,

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<v Speaker 1>art and natural wonders from Australia. His palace would be

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<v Speaker 1>the largest private collection at the time of natural history

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany, possibly even in Europe. But as a younger man,

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<v Speaker 1>Duke Paul was also a collector of experiences. He was

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<v Speaker 1>bored with the military and bored with royal court. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a prince in the most powerful family in the region,

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<v Speaker 1>nephew to the King of Wurttemberg, but he was the

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<v Speaker 1>fifth son, and so he had the flexibility and freedom

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<v Speaker 1>to take some time to do what he wanted. And

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<v Speaker 1>what Paul wanted to do was explore. Early in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenties, when Paul Wilhelm was in his early twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote a letter to the American government requesting permission

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<v Speaker 1>to travel throughout the country. He wanted to learn as

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<v Speaker 1>much as he could about the natural world, and though

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<v Speaker 1>of course he didn't actually want to do it anonymously,

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to request permission, after all, he did

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it incognito. President Monroe scoffed at that part,

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<v Speaker 1>and without Paul Wilhelm's knowledge, Monroe went ahead and ensured

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<v Speaker 1>that the Secretary of State informed all local authorities that

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<v Speaker 1>a German prince was to be protected by whatever means necessary,

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<v Speaker 1>even military guards if need be. But Paul Wilhelm didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that an entire government had mobilized to ensure his safety,

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<v Speaker 1>and in eighteen twenty two he sailed to New Orleans

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<v Speaker 1>from Hamburg in a three masted ship to begin his

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<v Speaker 1>grand adventure, probably imagining he was in more physical peril

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<v Speaker 1>than the American government would have ever let befall such

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<v Speaker 1>an important visitor, the Duke brought with him what was

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<v Speaker 1>considered an incredibly paltry entourage, only one servant, one hunter,

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<v Speaker 1>and one master woodworker, who I imagine is the type

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<v Speaker 1>of person you want to bring along when you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>so much travel by boat. Duke Paul was amazed at

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<v Speaker 1>the natural beauty of the so called New World, the

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<v Speaker 1>flora and fauna, the vast mountains and sweeping vistas. He

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<v Speaker 1>eventually even joined an expedition to track one of the

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<v Speaker 1>sources of the Missouri River. After three years spent exploring

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<v Speaker 1>North America, Duke Paul returned to Germany. But he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do so empty handed. Like I said, Paul was a

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<v Speaker 1>collector and it wasn't just animals and objects that he

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<v Speaker 1>liked to fill his palace with. Paul had met a

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<v Speaker 1>young man only a few years younger than he was,

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<v Speaker 1>named Jean Baptiste Charboneaux in Kansas. Charboneau was the son

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<v Speaker 1>of a Native American woman and a French fur trapper,

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<v Speaker 1>and when Paul returned to Germany, Jean Baptiste Charboneau would

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<v Speaker 1>accompany him, living abroad with the Prince for six years

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<v Speaker 1>in something that was framed as sort of a cultural

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<v Speaker 1>exchange program. If the name Jean Baptiste Charboneau doesn't ring

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<v Speaker 1>any bells, would you believe me if I told you

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<v Speaker 1>you've almost certainly seen a picture of him, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least if you're American, you've almost certainly seen a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of him as a baby On his mother's back. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an image so iconic it was printed on the gold

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<v Speaker 1>one dollar coin that was minted in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>in the year two thousand to honor Jean Baptiste's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>saka Jeweya. The story of Sakajawea, the young Native woman

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<v Speaker 1>with an infant child who accompanied Lewis and Clark on

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<v Speaker 1>their quest to the Pacific, has become almost an American myth,

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<v Speaker 1>a story that's been flattened to its broadest, most inspiring strokes.

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<v Speaker 1>The story of Sakajawea, as myth, ends with Lewis and

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<v Speaker 1>Clark's successful journey, her son forever an infant, But Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Baptiste Charboneau grew up and he became a man, and

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<v Speaker 1>his strange life is perhaps the most American story imaginable.

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<v Speaker 1>A life caught between a shifting West and calcified European aristocracy.

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<v Speaker 1>A life caught between his native ancestry that made him

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<v Speaker 1>quote exotic and his white connections that allowed him certain privileges,

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<v Speaker 1>A life of celebrity, of politics of the gold Rush.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a theme that's recurred on this podcast over and

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<v Speaker 1>over again. If you allow yourself to become a symbol

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<v Speaker 1>you get certain privileges, but you sacrifice the right to

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<v Speaker 1>be an actual human being. We all know the powerful

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<v Speaker 1>image of Jean Baptiste Charboneau and what he represented as

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<v Speaker 1>an infant, But who was he as a man. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Danish Schwartz and this is noble blood. Jean Baptiste Charboneau's

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<v Speaker 1>life as a symbol began immediately when he was born.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen oh four, Meriwether Lewis and William Clark set

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<v Speaker 1>out with a group known as the Core of Discovery

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<v Speaker 1>with the goal of exploring and mapping the recently purchased

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana territory. The trip began at the border of southern Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>what up until then had been the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, and the group traveled north and west until

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<v Speaker 1>they reached Oregon and the Pacific Ocean. The entire expedition

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<v Speaker 1>is mythologized in American culture, particularly when it's taught to

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<v Speaker 1>younger children, for embodying a spirit of adventure, a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of Romantic Americana that we can cling to in our

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<v Speaker 1>comparatively short national history, But the details of that exploratory

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<v Speaker 1>trip are less frequently explored in any significant detail. It

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<v Speaker 1>was about five months into the journey, when the corps

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<v Speaker 1>reached what is currently North Dakota, where they set up

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<v Speaker 1>a fort near the native Manden people called Fort Manden.

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<v Speaker 1>It was there that they hired a French fur trader

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<v Speaker 1>who had been living among the native people to act

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<v Speaker 1>as a guide and translator on the arduous journey up

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<v Speaker 1>the Missouri River and through the mountains. His name was

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<v Speaker 1>to Saint Charboneaux, and as luck would have it, his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather one of his wives, was a Native Shoshone woman,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was decided that she would come along on

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<v Speaker 1>the journey to help communicate with the Shoshone people. Her

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<v Speaker 1>name was Sakajuweya. Now this is the detail that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't teach in the most romantic versions of the Adventures

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<v Speaker 1>of Lewis and Clark and Sakagaweya. She was sixteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was Charboneau's wife only in the sense that

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<v Speaker 1>he had purchased her or won her while gambling when

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<v Speaker 1>she was thirteen years old, along with another Shoshone girl

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<v Speaker 1>named Otter Woman. When Sakageweya was twelve twelve, her tribe

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<v Speaker 1>had been raided by a group of Hidatza people and

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<v Speaker 1>she was held captive. Charboneaux purchased Sakajaueya and otter woman

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<v Speaker 1>from the Hidatza, And so while texts refer to Sakajawea

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<v Speaker 1>as Charboneau's wife, I want to make very clear that,

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<v Speaker 1>even though that's the language a lot of texts use,

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<v Speaker 1>this was in no way a consensual marriage. And just

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<v Speaker 1>as long as we're being clear eyed about the history,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's also important to note that Clark had

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<v Speaker 1>with him on the journey an enslaved man named York,

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<v Speaker 1>a man that he had inherited from his father. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the corps remained at Fort Manden for the winter, and

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<v Speaker 1>in February of eighteen oh five, Sakajuweya gave birth to

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<v Speaker 1>John Baptiste. Less than two months later, the expedition set

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<v Speaker 1>off again, with Sakajawea and her infant son in tow.

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<v Speaker 1>Little Jean Baptiste was adored by Clark, who delightedly nicknamed

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<v Speaker 1>him Pompey. But more than that, the entire expedition quickly

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<v Speaker 1>realized what a coup it was to have an infant

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<v Speaker 1>with them. In his journals, Clark writes about an incident

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<v Speaker 1>along the riverside of the Columbia Plateau, where a group

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<v Speaker 1>of Native Americans fled into their homes visibly threatened by Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently he had fired a gun nearby, and they, for

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<v Speaker 1>good reason, assumed he was most likely a threat. No

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<v Speaker 1>matter how Clark tried to explain that he was part

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<v Speaker 1>of an exploratory mission, the Native Americans would not engage

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<v Speaker 1>with him. There was fear that the tension might bubble

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<v Speaker 1>into violence. And then Sakajeweya and baby John Baptiste arrived

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<v Speaker 1>with Lewis by canoe. Clark wrote, they immediately all came

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<v Speaker 1>out and appeared to assume new life. The sight of

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<v Speaker 1>this Indian woman, wife to one of our interpreters, confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>those people of our friendly intentions, as no woman ever

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<v Speaker 1>accompanies a war party of Indians in this quarter. Sakujueya

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<v Speaker 1>would also prove to be a boon to the Core

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<v Speaker 1>in more than just her physical presence. When a storm

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<v Speaker 1>caused a boat to capsize, it was Sakajuweya who dove

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<v Speaker 1>into the river and recovered many of the lost items,

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<v Speaker 1>including all of the corp's journals, which had been lost

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<v Speaker 1>when the Corps reached western Montana. Sakjuea was able to

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<v Speaker 1>point out Beaverhead Rock, a formation she recognized from her

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<v Speaker 1>childhood from where her nation would spend their summers, and

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<v Speaker 1>she pointed out where they would approach the pass through

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains. The group finally rendezvous with the Shoshone people,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sacjuwea had what must have been an incredibly surreal

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<v Speaker 1>and beautiful moment. She had been kidnapped from her home

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<v Speaker 1>when she was twelve, held captive, sold and married to

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<v Speaker 1>a stranger, and then years later, as part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Corps of Discovery, she reunited with her tribe, only to

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<v Speaker 1>realize that their chief was now her brother. As thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for reuniting him with his long lost sister, the chief, Camelwaite,

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<v Speaker 1>provided the group with the horses they would need to

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<v Speaker 1>cross the Rocky Mountains. This is also much less of

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal, but it is a detail I find touching.

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<v Speaker 1>Zaka Jueya gave up her beaded belt so that Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>and Clark could use it to trade for a sea

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<v Speaker 1>otter fur coat that they wanted to give to Thomas Jefferson.

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<v Speaker 1>To quote Clark on the incident directly, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Indians had on a robe made of two seotter skins.

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<v Speaker 1>The fur of them were more beautiful than any fur

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<v Speaker 1>I had ever seen. Both Captain Lewis and myself endeavored

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase the robe with different articles. At length we

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<v Speaker 1>procured it for a belt of blue beads, which the

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<v Speaker 1>wife of our interpreter, Charboneau, wore around her waist. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like he could have at least given her named

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<v Speaker 1>credit on that one. But alas and so that was

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<v Speaker 1>little Pompey's life for his first year, traveling across the

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<v Speaker 1>brand new nation, serving as silent ambassador, a mascot with

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<v Speaker 1>his mother for the expedition's peaceful intentions. When the expedition

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<v Speaker 1>was finally over, Lewis and Clark dropped Sakaguweya to Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Charbono and Pompey, now a year and a half old,

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<v Speaker 1>back near the Mandon people where they had started. Clark

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<v Speaker 1>had grown attached to Little Pompey and told his parents

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<v Speaker 1>that he would take him off their hands for them,

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<v Speaker 1>raising him as his own and seeing to his education.

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<v Speaker 1>A little while after the expedition, Clark wrote to tous

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Charbono, entreating him and Sakageweya to common move to

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<v Speaker 1>Illinois to be closer to him. At the letter's end,

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<v Speaker 1>Clark added, as to your little son, my boy Pomp,

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<v Speaker 1>you well know my fondness for him and my anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>to take and raise him as my own child. I

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<v Speaker 1>once more tell you, if you will bring your son

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<v Speaker 1>Baptiste to me, I will educate him and treat him

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<v Speaker 1>as my own child. Wish you and your family great success,

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<v Speaker 1>and with anxious expectations of seeing my little dancing boy Baptiste,

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<v Speaker 1>I shall remain your friend. William Clark three years later

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<v Speaker 1>to Saint Charboneau and sack Juwea did move to Saint Louis,

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<v Speaker 1>where they allowed Clark to take command of little Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Baptiste's education. Clark quickly enrolled the boy in Saint Louis

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<v Speaker 1>Academy boarding school. I do think that Clark genuinely liked

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Baptiste and was attached to him, after all, he

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<v Speaker 1>was there for the first year and a half of

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<v Speaker 1>his life, and he was his boy Pomp. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do think it would be a mistake to imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>his offer of paying for Jean Baptiste's education was entirely altruistic,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather altruistic without some slightly uncomfortable colonial implications. Because

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Baptiste was half Native American, his education could serve

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<v Speaker 1>as a model for assimilation for one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>famous women in American history, at least in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>name recognition. It's a little astonishing how little recorded history

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<v Speaker 1>there is about what happened to Secduea next. Most likely,

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<v Speaker 1>she died in eighteen twelve, presumably while living with Toussaint

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<v Speaker 1>at the Fort. Lisa trading Port, a clerk at the fort,

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<v Speaker 1>recorded in his journal on December twentieth, eighteen twelve, that

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<v Speaker 1>the wife of Charboneau died of putrid fever. The fur

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<v Speaker 1>trader and later Congressman Henry Breckinridge had also written that

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<v Speaker 1>zakajuwea Quote had become sickly and longed to revisit her

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<v Speaker 1>native country. As for Toucsant's other quote wife, otter woman,

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<v Speaker 1>after the Corps journals note that they were taking one

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<v Speaker 1>of Toucsant's wives along but not the other Otter woman

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<v Speaker 1>fully disappears from the record, and I haven't found any

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<v Speaker 1>reputable information at all about what happened to her. And so,

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<v Speaker 1>though while some claim that Zaca Joweya left Fort Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>and did return to her home people. She most likely

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<v Speaker 1>died when she was twenty five years old, having recently

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<v Speaker 1>given birth to an infant girl. Almost immediately, Toussains Charboneau

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<v Speaker 1>signed over custody of both Jean Baptiste and the little girl, Lizette,

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<v Speaker 1>over to Clark. Adoption papers in the Saint Louis records

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<v Speaker 1>make clear quote on August eleven, in eighteen thirteen, William

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<v Speaker 1>Clark became the guardian of tous Saint Charbono, a boy

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<v Speaker 1>of about ten years and Lizette Charboneau, a girl about

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<v Speaker 1>one year old. As for Lizette, it's assumed she also

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<v Speaker 1>died young because, and perhaps you notice a pattern here,

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<v Speaker 1>there is nothing more written about her. She simply disappears

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<v Speaker 1>from the record. Toussaint Charboneau would live for another thirty years,

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<v Speaker 1>going on to mary at least three more teenage Native

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<v Speaker 1>American girls, including a fourteen year old when he was

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<v Speaker 1>seventy years old. We have to imagine Jean Baptiste Charboneau's childhood,

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<v Speaker 1>his guardian, the famous William Clark, his mother dead, his

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<v Speaker 1>father gone, possibly raised alongside a young sister, possibly alone,

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<v Speaker 1>sent to boarding school until he was sixteen, when he

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<v Speaker 1>would meet the man who would change the course of

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<v Speaker 1>his life. Life. Duke Paul Wilhelm, thrilled by the promise

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<v Speaker 1>of natural discovery in the New World, had sailed across

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean to America. He was a fairly accomplished naturalist

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<v Speaker 1>and amateur painter dedicated to documenting the natural world. On

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<v Speaker 1>June twenty first, eighteen twenty three, he arrived at a

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<v Speaker 1>small chateau settlement near the mouth of the Kansas River.

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<v Speaker 1>That was where he first met Jean Baptiste Charboneau, and

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<v Speaker 1>from their first meeting, Paul Wilhelm was aware of the

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity of his mother. He wrote, quote here I also

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<v Speaker 1>found a youth whose mother, a member of the tribe

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<v Speaker 1>of Shoshones or Snake Indians, had accompanied the Messrs Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>and Clark as an interpreter to the Pacific Ocean. The

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<v Speaker 1>European continued up the Missouri River to its source, and

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<v Speaker 1>actually at one point hired to Saint Charbonneau as a

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<v Speaker 1>guide and translator. His mission was successful, and when the

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<v Speaker 1>Duke came back through America's interior that fall, when he

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<v Speaker 1>reached the Kansas River again. This time he would take

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Baptiste along with him, with the plan that the

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<v Speaker 1>two of them would both go back to Germany together.

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<v Speaker 1>The trip turned out to be a challenging one. The

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<v Speaker 1>steamboat that the men were on to get to New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans sank, but they did make it eventually, though The

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<v Speaker 1>trip across the Atlantic would prove to be its own

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<v Speaker 1>arduous journey. Duke Paul wrote, the sea fought us with

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<v Speaker 1>huge waves, and the ship was tossed about so violently

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<v Speaker 1>that the rolling action became unbearable. The waves struck with

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<v Speaker 1>such force overboard that part of the railing was shattered,

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<v Speaker 1>but the pair did eventually make it safely back to Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't just John Baptiste that Duke Paul brought back.

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<v Speaker 1>He also brought back a live alligator that he had

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<v Speaker 1>captured in New Orleans. Jean Baptiste was only a few

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<v Speaker 1>years younger than Duke Paul, but it's difficult to discern

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<v Speaker 1>whether the relationship between the two men was one of

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<v Speaker 1>friendship or whether it was something more paternalistic or colonial.

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<v Speaker 1>The first major English translation of the original German texts

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<v Speaker 1>was done in the nineteen thirties, by Professor Lewis C.

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<v Speaker 1>Butcher at the University of Wyoming, and historians today are

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<v Speaker 1>fairly dismissive of his translations for being let's say, overly

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<v Speaker 1>romantic at best and more than a little embellished. Professor

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<v Speaker 1>Butcher's version of the story is the two men becoming

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<v Speaker 1>instant and close friends, both young men from illustrious families,

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<v Speaker 1>one a German prince, the other the scion one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most romanticized fables of Americana, and Professor Butcher is

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<v Speaker 1>correct in the facts that for the next six years,

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Baptiste Scharpeneau would live alongside Duke Paul in Germany

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<v Speaker 1>in a palace with him, and travel across the world

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<v Speaker 1>at his side, including travels to Africa and Australia. Imagining

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<v Speaker 1>that the two were just best friends who shared a

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<v Speaker 1>taste for adventure is appealing, and in fact, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are listening and looking for the subject of a historical

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<v Speaker 1>rom com that you want to write, I would be

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<v Speaker 1>delighted to read a fictional account of the two explorers

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<v Speaker 1>sharing an intimate and loving friendship. But unfortunately, as you

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<v Speaker 1>are probably predicting, the reality was a little more uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't think it's as nefarious as it could

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<v Speaker 1>have been. I've seen some suggestions that Jean Baptiste was

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<v Speaker 1>brought over to Germany to be a servant, but there

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<v Speaker 1>actually isn't really evidence of that either. Like Clark, Duke

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Wilhelm was likely excited by the chance to quote

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<v Speaker 1>enlighten a quote primitive Native American, and he would get

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<v Speaker 1>a personal encyclopedia on hand to answer any questions he

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<v Speaker 1>might have about America or Native American culture. In return,

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Baptiste would get to travel the world, live in

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<v Speaker 1>a palace, and get new experiences, all while having an

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<v Speaker 1>education funded. Jean Baptiste already spoke several languages at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>and over the course of his time in Germany he

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<v Speaker 1>would add a few more to the roster. According to

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<v Speaker 1>most twentieth century sources, the arrangement was something partly between

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<v Speaker 1>studying abroad and being a member of someone's entourage, with

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<v Speaker 1>John Baptiste receiving an education and enjoying the freedom to

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<v Speaker 1>meet new people, explore the Black forest, and practice his

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<v Speaker 1>hunting and horseback riding. The Duke had also previously brought

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<v Speaker 1>a young man, Juan Alverdo from Mexico, who, in theory,

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<v Speaker 1>received a similar education math, history, geography, and languages. The

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<v Speaker 1>Duke also brought back two men from Africa and one

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<v Speaker 1>from India. So all of these men were, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>your interpretation, either nineteenth century study abroad students quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 1>exotic servants, personal cultural encyclopedias, or some combination of all

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<v Speaker 1>of the above. We might have gotten a more detailed

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<v Speaker 1>account of the men's time spent together, but many of

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<v Speaker 1>the Duke's personal journals were destroyed in the damage of

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<v Speaker 1>World War II. Given that lack of evidence, Professor Albert

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<v Speaker 1>Furtwegler favors the more pessimistic framing. In two thousand one,

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote, quote, there is no evidence that the Prince

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<v Speaker 1>educated Charboneau, saw him as an equal, took interest enough

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<v Speaker 1>in him to learn about him directly after eighteen twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>or treated him as anything better than an exotic specimen

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<v Speaker 1>brought back to Europe along with other Indian items for

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<v Speaker 1>his collections. Indeed, we have almost nothing that the Prince

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<v Speaker 1>wrote about Charboneau. We know that John Baptiste remained in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe for six years until eighteen twenty nine, but it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be until more than twenty five years later that

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<v Speaker 1>Charboneau emerges again in Paul Wilhelm's writings. The Duke was

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<v Speaker 1>back in California on a trip where he encountered a

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<v Speaker 1>group of Shoshone Native Americans. One of these, he wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>was a fine young lad, quite intelligent, who reminded me

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<v Speaker 1>strangely and with a certain sadness, of b Charboneau, who

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<v Speaker 1>had followed me to in eighteen twenty three Europe, and

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<v Speaker 1>whose mother was of the tribe of the Shoshones. Why

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<v Speaker 1>or when they lost touch, Whether Paul Wilhelm viewed Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Baptiste as a friend or just another specimen lost or

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<v Speaker 1>misplaced in his travels is something lost to us. We

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<v Speaker 1>do know one fact about the time that Jean Baptiste

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<v Speaker 1>was in Germany. A parish birth announcement for a child

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<v Speaker 1>named Anton Fryes born on February twentieth, eighteen twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the child of quote Johann Baptiste Charbonneau of Saint Louis,

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<v Speaker 1>called the American in service of Duke Paul of this place,

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<v Speaker 1>and Anastasia Katerina Fries, unmarried daughter of the late George Fries,

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<v Speaker 1>a soldier. Here. The infant unfortunately died that spring, and

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<v Speaker 1>a few months later, when he was twenty five years old,

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Baptiste would leave Europe forever and returned turned to

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<v Speaker 1>the place he was born. Jean Baptiste joins a fur company.

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<v Speaker 1>He sets out west and joins several other parties of

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<v Speaker 1>men who hunted buffalo and traded furs. He traveled almost constantly.

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<v Speaker 1>When his father died in eighteen forty three, he sold

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<v Speaker 1>some land he had inherited for three hundred and twenty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>He appears in the record as a guide on several

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<v Speaker 1>hunting expeditions, including one for another European nobleman, a Scottish

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<v Speaker 1>baronet named Sir William Drummond Stuart. Jean Baptiste would spend

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his years living a rustic life on

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<v Speaker 1>the western frontier, seemingly a complete reversal of the years

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<v Speaker 1>he spent among the sophisticated finery of German court. The

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<v Speaker 1>historian Grace Hebberd, writing in nineteen thirty three, can barely

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<v Speaker 1>mask her condescension and frankly racism in her dismissal of

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<v Speaker 1>Jean Baptiste Charboneau, who quote seems to have deteriorated despite

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<v Speaker 1>his education, his contact with civilization, and his efficient services

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>in earlier years. Baptiste thus apparently forgot his classical education

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<v Speaker 1>and superior attainments. She continues that Charboneau is not a

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<v Speaker 1>unique case. Quote examples without number have occurred of the

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<v Speaker 1>same sort of reversion, both among Indians and Whites who

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<v Speaker 1>have lived under similar conditions among savages or in the wild.

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<v Speaker 1>She finally concludes that quote culture that is only a

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<v Speaker 1>veneering is easily rubbed off by constant association with uneducated

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<v Speaker 1>Indians and illiterate Whites. Anne Haefen, writing in the sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>presents a similarly condescending but more romanticized explanation of Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Baptiste Charboneau's life out west, quoting an anecdote of a

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<v Speaker 1>man from eighteen thirty nine who had met a Native

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<v Speaker 1>American trapper near Bent's Fort who may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>have actually been Jean Baptiste. In the anecdote that may

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<v Speaker 1>or may not have actually happened, as she reports, the

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<v Speaker 1>man apparently asked the Native American, why did you leave

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<v Speaker 1>civilized life for a precarious livelihood in the wilderness, to

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<v Speaker 1>which the Native American trapper replies quote for reasons found

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<v Speaker 1>in the nature of my race, explaining that Indians aren't

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<v Speaker 1>satisfied with quote the description of things, and that they

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<v Speaker 1>have to experience quote treasures and realities as they live

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<v Speaker 1>in their own native magnificence on the eternal mountains. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>Charbonneau was hired as a scout in the Mexican American War,

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<v Speaker 1>and in eighteen forty seven he was appointed the alcad

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<v Speaker 1>Or Mayor of Mission San Luis Rey de Frentancia. The

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<v Speaker 1>next year he would join in on the California Gold Rush,

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<v Speaker 1>mining the Big Crevice in California, an operation that was

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<v Speaker 1>successful enough for him that he did it for at

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<v Speaker 1>least sixteen years, living in whereas now Auburn, California, and

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<v Speaker 1>working as a hotel manager. He eventually left California when

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<v Speaker 1>he was sixty one years old, whether driven by wanderlust

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<v Speaker 1>or by the slowing local economy. While crossing the rugged

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<v Speaker 1>Oye River, Charboneaux slipped off his horse and fell into

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<v Speaker 1>the icy water. He became ill, either from the fall

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe he had been ill before from a lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>lived rough, breathing in alkali dust and living in Rugged surroundings.

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<v Speaker 1>He was brought to Danner, Oregon, where he died. The

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<v Speaker 1>city is now a ghost town, but there's a grave

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<v Speaker 1>site not too far which marks the final resting place

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<v Speaker 1>of the youngest member of the Lewis and Clark expedition,

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<v Speaker 1>the grave of the man who traveled across America before

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<v Speaker 1>he could walk, who spent six years in Germany alongside

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<v Speaker 1>a prince, who spoke five languages, and spent the better

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<v Speaker 1>part of the nineteenth century working as a guide, a trapper,

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<v Speaker 1>and gold prospector. As a child, he had represented the

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<v Speaker 1>promise of peace. As an adult, he can be reframed

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<v Speaker 1>to represent a romanticized version of the American West, a

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<v Speaker 1>mascot for a certain spirit of adventure onto whom people

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<v Speaker 1>can project their fears or prejudices or fascination with Native

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<v Speaker 1>Americans and the American West itself. It's a version of

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<v Speaker 1>our history that maybe never existed in the first place,

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<v Speaker 1>or only ever existed in the slivers of real people's stories.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jean be Baptiste Charboneau did exist. That's the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Jean Baptiste Charboneau and his relationship with Duke Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Wilhelm of Wurtemberg, but keep listening after a brief sponsor

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<v Speaker 1>break to hear a little bit more about Jean Baptiste's

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<v Speaker 1>lasting legacy in America. So much of this story has

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<v Speaker 1>been lost to history, forced into the realm of speculation

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<v Speaker 1>or wishful thinking. Even Lewis and Clark's journey, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous adventures in American history, left almost no

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<v Speaker 1>physical evidence on the trail itself. It seems the two

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<v Speaker 1>men took the idiom to heart, leave only footprints, take

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<v Speaker 1>only detailed journal entries. But there is one tiny exception.

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<v Speaker 1>Near the banks of the Yellowstone River, a sandstone pillar

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<v Speaker 1>stretches more than one hundred feet into the air, covering

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<v Speaker 1>over two acres at its base. Enamored with Saka Juwaya's

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<v Speaker 1>baby son, Clark named the site Pompey's Pillar, and, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>ironic on a monument named for a man for whom

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<v Speaker 1>there is such a dearth of primary physical sources. Pompey's

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<v Speaker 1>Pillar is the site of the only known physical evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of the core of discoveries journey. Carved into the stone

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<v Speaker 1>itself is W. Clark July twenty fifth, eighteen o six.

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