WEBVTT - #700 Packers Unscripted: Offseason recap

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Mike Spofford and he is my partner in crime,

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<v Speaker 1>Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from separate locations

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<v Speaker 1>at Lambeaufield as we reboot Packers Unscripted for twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so you know, the resumption of Zoom is not

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<v Speaker 1>due to COVID or anything else like that. It actually

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<v Speaker 1>has to do with some technical limitations that we're dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with right now. Hopefully they're only temporary, but we don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know for sure how long we will have to

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<v Speaker 1>do the show this way. But with the players returning

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<v Speaker 1>for the offseason program, with the draft less than ten

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<v Speaker 1>days away now, we thought even with the technical limitations,

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<v Speaker 1>we would get the show going again. So welcome back, Weston.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you, my friend?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great spot. You know, it brings back such

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<v Speaker 2>amazing memories of me staring into your living room, you

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<v Speaker 2>staring into my bonus room, and now we get to

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<v Speaker 2>relive it a little bit here on the Zoom technology

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to our producer justin kind of stepping in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna do the best we can, but certainly it's

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<v Speaker 2>been an off season of adjustments for the Green Bay Packers. Likewise,

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<v Speaker 2>Packers Unscripted also adjusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, And that's what I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>to here with our first show back will be reviewing

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<v Speaker 1>the off season to this point, and then we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of more shows prior to the first round

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<v Speaker 1>of the draft, and we'll look a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>at the roster needs and the draft prospects potentially that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. But obviously, the big story of the

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<v Speaker 1>off season so far with the Green Bay Packers is

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<v Speaker 1>that the franchise is moving on to Jordan Love as

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<v Speaker 1>the starting quarterback. Aaron Rodgers is going to be traded,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as we know, to the New York Jets.

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<v Speaker 1>He's expressed his desire to play there. The Packers and

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<v Speaker 1>the Jets have both express their desire to work out

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<v Speaker 1>a deal. That deal has not happened yet yet. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's going to happen before the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>during the draft, or perhaps after the draft. But you

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<v Speaker 1>said it, Wes, this is going to be a year

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<v Speaker 1>of transition in twenty twenty three for the Green Bay Packers.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a pretty big transition offensively last year when

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<v Speaker 1>DeVante Adams was traded in March and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>big shift in how things were going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>work offensively. This is sort of the DeVante Adams transition.

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<v Speaker 1>Transition excuse me times about ten or twenty or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred when you're talking about changing quarterbacks and moving

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<v Speaker 1>on from the four time MVP. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a very very interesting off season here in Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>with OTAs about a month and a half away or

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<v Speaker 1>so from getting started.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and let's be honest, Mike, I mean, we knew

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<v Speaker 2>this day was eventually going to come. There was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a time where you and I were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a Green Bay Packer squad without Aaron Rodgers as

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<v Speaker 2>their starting quarterback. And as it turned out, this so

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<v Speaker 2>happened to be the off season. And it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>I think from a franchise standpoint, it's been kind of

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<v Speaker 2>leading up to this. Jordan Love was drafted three years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>The Packers traded up to take him out of Utah

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<v Speaker 2>State saw him as a long term prospect, and I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like last season, while the sample size was undoubtedly small,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw the progress in Jordan's game that maybe wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily there as a rookie, maybe wasn't quite where you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be in year two, but year three seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to really be a turning point for him. And from

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<v Speaker 2>the Green Bay Packers perspective, obviously, you know, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to go through everything that's been said between Rogers

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<v Speaker 2>and the Packers, but this felt like, from both perspectives,

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<v Speaker 2>the right time to move towards, you know, different directions.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously you look at what the New York Jets

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<v Speaker 2>have done and where their position to be. I've said

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<v Speaker 2>a time and time again in our Insider Inbox column,

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<v Speaker 2>they are a team that is really just a quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>away from contending. Thought last year that was really the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing that was holding that squad back, So on

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<v Speaker 2>both sides, it does make sense. It just comes down

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<v Speaker 2>to figuring out out the compensatory piece and and figuring

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<v Speaker 2>out exactly, you know, what needs to be given up to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, transact a deal like this at the scale

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<v Speaker 2>of this, with a four time MVP that is just

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<v Speaker 2>one year removed from going back to back in that category.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you said it. With regard to the Jets, they

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<v Speaker 1>felt like they were on the verge of making the

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<v Speaker 1>playoffs last year sort of collapsed at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the season. They really felt all the question marks at quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're really what what held them back? And

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<v Speaker 1>so they've they've had their eye on Aaron Rodgers for

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<v Speaker 1>for a while now, really throughout this entire offseason, and

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know everything that has gone on behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes with regard to Jordan Love in practice running the

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<v Speaker 1>scout team. You know, we get to see training camp practices,

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<v Speaker 1>we get to see preseason games. We got to see

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<v Speaker 1>that impressive fourth quarter in Philadelphia on in in prime

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<v Speaker 1>time under the lights at Lincoln Financial Field. But but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just that short you know, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>small sample size against Philadelphia that gives the Packers the

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<v Speaker 1>confidence that this is the time to move on to

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love. It's all the things with regard to practice

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<v Speaker 1>and how he's conducted himself, how he's run things, what

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<v Speaker 1>he's done with those opportunities that give the Packers the

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<v Speaker 1>confidence that now is the time. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>could do an entire show on history repeating itself in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways when you talk about the three year timeline

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Jets being the team that the Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of fame quarterback is going to be traded to and

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<v Speaker 1>all that. But we've heard from some of Jordan Love's

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<v Speaker 1>teammates that this sure sounds like very different from two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight, when there was clearly a split amongst

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<v Speaker 1>younger players versus veterans in terms of who's behind Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Rodgers or who still wants Brett Favre to stay. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get into all that. What we've

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<v Speaker 1>heard from the Packers' locker room to this point, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is not kind of knocked against Aaron Rodgers, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is a locker room that's going to be behind

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love one hundred percent, and a lot of his

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<v Speaker 1>young teammates certainly believe in him through and through Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I have said this for three years now.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love has done everything right since the moment he

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<v Speaker 2>walked into the building with the Green Bay Packers. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the locker room thinks is highly of him

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<v Speaker 2>as they do, the fact that Aaron Rodgers has talked

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<v Speaker 2>about him as glowingly as he has. You know, even

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<v Speaker 2>going back to that interview with Pat McAfee last month,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he talked about how he thinks he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a great quarterback in this league, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>a young guy that you know, Jordan Love could have

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<v Speaker 2>made this so much more difficult than it's been the

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<v Speaker 2>last three years, but he never complained once about the

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<v Speaker 2>situation he was in. He never publicly came out and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be a starting quarterback. I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be this starting quarterback. I'm I'm tired of

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<v Speaker 2>sitting behind Aaron Rodgers. He has literally just been the

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<v Speaker 2>guy he's needed to be when the Packers have needed

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<v Speaker 2>him to be that individual. That's why I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>found it funny when people were making a big deal

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<v Speaker 2>and rightfully so I get it, he's the quarterback. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Monday, players reported back for the off season program.

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<v Speaker 2>The video of Jordan Love walking into the building obviously

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<v Speaker 2>drew a lot of eyes, got a lot of engagement

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter, but the reality is this has been no

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<v Speaker 2>different than the last two years where Jordan Love has

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<v Speaker 2>come in when Aaron Rodgers hasn't been with the team

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<v Speaker 2>and ben the starting quarterback, the quarterback number one in

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<v Speaker 2>these OTA practices, even in a mini camp, mandatory mini

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<v Speaker 2>camp practice, he's been the guy running the show a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the times. Now he seeded that position to

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<v Speaker 2>Rogers in training camp, but Jordan Love has been preparing

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<v Speaker 2>for this moment, and I think when you hear a

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<v Speaker 2>guy like Aaron Jones talk about this, you know at

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers tailgate tour on the kickoff last week, mentioning

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<v Speaker 2>that the message he wants to convey to Jordan Love

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<v Speaker 2>is we got your back. We are here to play

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<v Speaker 2>for you. If it was Aaron Rodgers, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>the same situation. But letting the young guy know that

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<v Speaker 2>if you are going to be QB one this season,

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to do everything in our power to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that you're going to be put into a

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<v Speaker 2>position to succeed. And if you're a young guy like

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Love who's going to have rough patch, who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to make mistakes, that's the best thing you can hear

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<v Speaker 2>that you have a veteran core around you that is

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<v Speaker 2>really ready to rally around your leadership. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. In terms of reviewing the rest of the offseason,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll take a look here at the free agents who

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<v Speaker 1>re signed, the guys who have returned, and then those

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<v Speaker 1>who have departed and give a sense of just where

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<v Speaker 1>where the Packers roster stands in terms of how this

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<v Speaker 1>team is taking shape around Jordan Love. You look at

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<v Speaker 1>the guys that the free agents that have come back West,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just list them off here, Keyshawn Nixon, Dallan Levitt,

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Wilson, Rudy Ford, Tyler Davis, Corey Ballantine, and Justin Hollins.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a there's a theme to that list of players, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the it's the connection to special teams. What

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers did in turning around their special teams under

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<v Speaker 1>Rich Basaccia his first year as the Packers coordinator last year,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy with multiple decades of experience doing this in

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<v Speaker 1>the league. There was the coaching change last year, there

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<v Speaker 1>was also the philosophical the personnel change in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the types of players that the Packers want to be

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<v Speaker 1>those core guys on special teams, and they're bringing them

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<v Speaker 1>all back. And obviously at the top of that list

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<v Speaker 1>is Keishawn Nixon. Now, and we'll get into some of

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<v Speaker 1>the guys who left in a little bit. But when

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<v Speaker 1>I took a look as soon as the season ended,

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<v Speaker 1>I took a look at the entire list of the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers pending free agents, Honestly, the guy that was at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of my list that I thought the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>have to bring this guy back, no matter what was

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<v Speaker 1>Keishaw Nixon. I mean what he did for the return game,

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<v Speaker 1>kickoff returns, punt returns, what he what he did on

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<v Speaker 1>defense playing you know, settling in as a very reliable

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<v Speaker 1>nickel corner that that that slot corner position. He became

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<v Speaker 1>a very valuable piece to this team in two phases,

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<v Speaker 1>in a very short amount of time, and that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been a huge loss for the Packers if Keishawn

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon had signed as a free agent elsewhere. I think

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<v Speaker 1>bringing him back was a huge step for twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you know directly he may won't necessarily be

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<v Speaker 1>on the field with Jordan Love, although maybe he will

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<v Speaker 1>be as we hear, you know, the little rumblings about

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<v Speaker 1>him wanting to play offense and Matt Lafleur possibly being

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<v Speaker 1>open to it. But what Keishaw Nixon means to the

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<v Speaker 1>special teams and to this defense moving forward I think

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<v Speaker 1>is huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's use this as a starting point. Mike. The

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<v Speaker 2>agree with Packers twenty twenty one was not acceptable on

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<v Speaker 2>special teams. They had to change the direction of that unit.

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<v Speaker 2>But they didn't lay it at the feet of one individual. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously you look at Rich Bisaccia coming in and replacing

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<v Speaker 2>Mo Drayton, but they did it on the personnel side too.

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<v Speaker 2>They've done it with the way in which they've coached

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. You listened to Matt Lafleur last year talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the special Teams design periods that they implemented last

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<v Speaker 2>year for that very reason to get more out of

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<v Speaker 2>that unit. When you look at the strides they've made

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<v Speaker 2>and also the transition the Packers are going to make

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<v Speaker 2>offensively this year, you could not be in a position

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<v Speaker 2>where you have question marks with special teams. You need

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<v Speaker 2>to take the personnel. You had, the guys that contributed

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<v Speaker 2>to that turnaround, and you need to keep them in

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<v Speaker 2>this building because now you're going to have a young

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<v Speaker 2>influx of players coming in who are going to learn

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<v Speaker 2>underneath those trees with Rich Bisacia with his assistance, also

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<v Speaker 2>with these players coming back like your down Levitts, your

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby Ford's and as you were pointing out Keishawn Nixon.

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind, Mike, to see the Green Bay Packers

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<v Speaker 2>go on a twelve month span from a kickoff return

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<v Speaker 2>and a punt return unit in which people legitimately were

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<v Speaker 2>nervous when the ball is being kicked to Green Bay,

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<v Speaker 2>you were kind of worried that there was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a muff punt, there was going to be some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of negative play that was going to impact the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of that game. Not only did Kishawn Nixon eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>those fears, he completely turned it around on the other

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<v Speaker 2>side of things, where now the Packers' special teams, the Packers'

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<v Speaker 2>return units are the ones making the play, and he

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<v Speaker 2>built up every single week. People forget this is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that really hadn't done a lot of kickoff returning

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFL. He obviously did it in Juco, he

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't been punt returning really at all until they put

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<v Speaker 2>him in there mid season, and in both phases he

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<v Speaker 2>played fearlessly, he played tenacious, and he was able to

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<v Speaker 2>be a big time playmaker for them, the biggest moment

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<v Speaker 2>of all obviously coming in Miami and then Minnesota back

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<v Speaker 2>to back at the end of the season. Keishawn Nixon

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<v Speaker 2>is a heck of a football player, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell how seriously the Green Bay Packers are taking his

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<v Speaker 2>playmaking potential by basically saying yes. In addition to the

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<v Speaker 2>special team stuff, this guy's going to be the nickel

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<v Speaker 2>going into the offseason program. He has to hold on

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<v Speaker 2>to that position. He has to prove that he can

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<v Speaker 2>grow into that spot. But the Packers are going to

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<v Speaker 2>open up every door possible for Keishawn Nixon to be

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<v Speaker 2>a playmaker in multiple phases.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, first team All Pro as a kickoff returner and

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't necessarily take over the job full time until

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<v Speaker 1>close to halfway through the season last year. So just

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<v Speaker 1>a tremendous year and it's a it's it's a tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>resigning for the Packers to bring him back. The other

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<v Speaker 1>one I want to mention, in addition to all those

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<v Speaker 1>special teams guys, that was a little bit under the

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<v Speaker 1>radar before we move on to the guys that departed

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<v Speaker 1>and looking at the roster, but the Packers were able

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<v Speaker 1>to bring back Justin Hollins at outside linebacker. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is a young man claimed on waivers from the Rams Tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I think it was even beyond the midway point

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<v Speaker 1>of last season, but in a short time in Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay made a pretty strong impression as to what he

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<v Speaker 1>could bring to this defense and what he could do

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<v Speaker 1>for Joe Barry, and with you know, the uncertainty surrounding

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<v Speaker 1>exactly when Rashaun Gary will be back from the ACL injury,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you have Preston Smith and then a

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<v Speaker 1>fifth round pick from last year kings Leyanni bari As

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<v Speaker 1>as two of your top outside rushers right now, bringing

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<v Speaker 1>back a guy like Hollinds just for that depth piece,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to be able to play, you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>if it ends up only being twenty or twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>snaps a game or something, and maybe it'll be more

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<v Speaker 1>than that, depending on Gary's situation. We'll have to see.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought that was I thought that was a

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<v Speaker 1>really like sneaky good move by Green Bay to get

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<v Speaker 1>him back, considering the impression he made in that small

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<v Speaker 1>sample size late last season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was sort of an emblematic of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the moves the Packers made this offseason, in

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<v Speaker 2>which yes, it made total sense for the Packers, but

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<v Speaker 2>it also made sense for the player too. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>justin Hollins even said it, you know, the Rams letting

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<v Speaker 2>him go last season. I think even in the quote

0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:37.920
<v Speaker 2>that Sean McVay said, they want to give him a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to sort of catch on somewhere else or prove

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<v Speaker 2>himself elsewhere, and he did that in Green Bay. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like with Rashaan Geary, you know what ecl

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<v Speaker 2>injuries are like, you know for sure you're probably not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have him at the beginning of training camp. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to be able to give yourself some breathing room there.

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<v Speaker 2>So Yeah, Kingsleyanninkbari JJ the guy I thought played exceptionally

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<v Speaker 2>well as a rookie. He contributed in ways I did

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<v Speaker 2>not anticipate him to contribute right off the bat because

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<v Speaker 2>of Gary's injury. But it was Justin Hollins that came

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<v Speaker 2>in and filled out that edge rusting rotation down the stretch.

0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Preston Smith can play seventy eighty percent of the defensive snaps.

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<v Speaker 2>He's shown even at thirty years old, he has no

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<v Speaker 2>problem doing that. But you needed to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>have another veteran presence in there. The year earlier, it

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<v Speaker 2>was Whitney Merciless. Last year it was Justin Hollins. I

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<v Speaker 2>would imagine, Mike, when you and I are doing our

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<v Speaker 2>preview for the draft next week and in these next

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<v Speaker 2>episodes to come, We're going to be talking a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about edge rushers, but we know how this game is played.

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<v Speaker 2>You need guys that know the defense. You need guys

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<v Speaker 2>that have some veteran knack to them, and Justin Hollins

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<v Speaker 2>checks both of those boxes with his past experience with

0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Joe Barry, and I think it made a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>sense on numerous amount of levels as he's also not

0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.080
<v Speaker 2>only the Green Bay Packers, but Justin Hollins is looking

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<v Speaker 2>to put himself in a better position next year as

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<v Speaker 2>a free agent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no question about it. Well, before I forget here

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying I don't have to go to Philly

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<v Speaker 1>like we did last novembery No.

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<v Speaker 2>And this one's actually better, not even lying, not even lying.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Good to hear, good to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you use real cheese, not something out of a can.

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<v Speaker 1>Well in Wisconsin. You have to do that, right, Come on. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the rest of the free agent picture, four

0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:01.600
<v Speaker 1>veterans who remain unsigned at this point, Mercedes Lewis, Randall Cobb,

0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Mason Crosby, and Adrian Amos have not signed with anybody,

0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the Packers or any other team at that point. So

0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.640
<v Speaker 1>very much in wait and see mode as far as

0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.640
<v Speaker 1>as far as those guys are concerned. Free agents who

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<v Speaker 1>departed again, I will just list them off Dean Lowry,

0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Jaron Reid, Al Mazzard, Robert Tunyan, and Chris Barnes. Starting

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<v Speaker 1>with those first two on the defensive line, Dean Lowry,

0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Jaron Reid. Lowry goes to NFC North rival Minnesota. Jared

0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Reid goes back to where it all began. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you might say with the Seattle Seahawks, and it puts

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<v Speaker 1>it puts an interesting spotlight on the Packers defensive line,

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<v Speaker 1>no question about it, because a guy like Lowry, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>six years if I have the math right, No, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>seven years, seven years, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Six seven years on the calendar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, seven years, seven seasons in the in the on

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers defensive line. Jaron Reid a free agent acquisition

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<v Speaker 1>from a year ago who came in and made an

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<v Speaker 1>impact as well. Two big holes there, But I think

0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.879
<v Speaker 1>the Packers letting them go is a sign, more than

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<v Speaker 1>anything else, that they are going to be counting on TJ. Slayton,

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<v Speaker 1>fifth round draft pick from a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and Davante Wyatt, a first round pick out of Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago, to step up and play significantly larger

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<v Speaker 1>roles on this defensive front in twenty twenty three, along

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<v Speaker 1>with whoever else might be brought in via the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get to that on some upcoming shows. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be about Slayton and Wyatt on

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<v Speaker 1>the defensive line and those guys stepping forward into a

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<v Speaker 1>level of responsibility they haven't quite seen yet in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then the other guy too that The other

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<v Speaker 2>one I want to mention is Chris Slayton. He was

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<v Speaker 2>on the practice squad all of last season, but the

0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Packers have had him around for a while and he's

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<v Speaker 2>actually sort of a veteran interested to see what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of opportunities might they be there for him as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But to your point, Mike, I'm actually very intrigued and

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<v Speaker 2>excited about this defensive line for as much uncertainty as

0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:12.840
<v Speaker 2>there is outside of Kenny Clark. And the big reason

0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 2>for that is I think the Packers needed to mix

0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.960
<v Speaker 2>it up a little bit. Dean was a great player

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<v Speaker 2>for this team for a number of years. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>Jaron Reid had some moments last year, especially down the stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we know what the run defense has

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<v Speaker 2>been like the past few seasons. We know some of

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<v Speaker 2>the issues that Green Bay has had and sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the inconsistency of it, and I'm excited to see what

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<v Speaker 2>a DeVante Wyatt can bring, what maybe TJ. Slayton can

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<v Speaker 2>offer in an expanded role. Can he improve enough, Can

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<v Speaker 2>he show enough as a one technique to maybe be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more fluid with how they use Kenny Clark.

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<v Speaker 2>Because as much as We've talked about Kenny and reducing

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<v Speaker 2>some of the snaps and changing his role up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. It's basically every season come back to him

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<v Speaker 2>having to play the nose tackle position because he's the

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<v Speaker 2>most surest guy in there. Even though he's probably not

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<v Speaker 2>as big as most no those tackles, especially in a

0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.399
<v Speaker 2>three to four front, Kenny has had to kind of

0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.000
<v Speaker 2>weather those storms. Can t J. Slayton show that he

0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.879
<v Speaker 2>can be that guy, because structurally physically he definitely fits

0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.879
<v Speaker 2>the bill with his size. DeVante Wyatt, I look at

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<v Speaker 2>him in the same breath that I look at Rashaun

0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Gary from a couple of years ago. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that virtually redshirted that first year, didn't get a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot of opportunities behind that experience, behind the fact

0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.760
<v Speaker 2>that TJ. Slat was basically the next guy up in

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<v Speaker 2>the rotation. But Whyatt has a first round pedigree and

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at his story going back to Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of parallels there with how he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be used this year in Green Bay. He's

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<v Speaker 2>going to see a significant bump in his spike of

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<v Speaker 2>his playing time. Can his play go along with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Lafleur said it when we were down at the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL Owners meetings. It is going to be a challenge

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<v Speaker 2>for him to make sure he knows his cues, knows

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<v Speaker 2>that he's not giving away any any tendencies to the

0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.639
<v Speaker 2>opposing offensive line. Athletically, there is nothing to question there

0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:56.879
<v Speaker 2>with Devonte White. The kid can be a playmaker. You

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<v Speaker 2>saw that in the season finale against Detroit. It's going

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.600
<v Speaker 2>to be all the little things at this level. If

0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.240
<v Speaker 2>he can look to master and if he does, Packers

0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.920
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of potential. I like where that group

0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.359
<v Speaker 2>is going, if why it can live up to that

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:10.320
<v Speaker 2>first round potential.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I like what you said too about TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Slayton potentially taking on more of that that anchor in

0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the middle, Because if TJ. Slayton can can take over

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more of that anchor role in the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to allow you to move Kenny Clark around

0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.399
<v Speaker 1>and try to get a certain matchups right against certain

0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.800
<v Speaker 1>guards or you know, lining up in certain positions. If

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Clark always has to be that guy in the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not playing a matchup game. You're just playing this

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<v Speaker 1>is where you know he has to he has to

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<v Speaker 1>fit right now. So I'm sure that's something that that

0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:45.760
<v Speaker 1>clerk will potentially look forward to forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have this well, I don't have the Saber

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<v Speaker 2>metrics in front of me, Mike, but I did see

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the analytics at the end of last season.

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<v Speaker 2>The amount of double teams that Kenny has seen last year,

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<v Speaker 2>the year before that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it went when when has he not except for

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<v Speaker 1>maybe his rookie season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that has been the big challenge for him,

0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.800
<v Speaker 2>is just trying to find that that piece next to

0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.840
<v Speaker 2>him that can alleviate some of that. They had it

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<v Speaker 2>with Rashaun Gary, they had it, you know, with with

0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.680
<v Speaker 2>President Smith. But it's been that fourth guy, uh in

0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.600
<v Speaker 2>that spot, and uh, I'm very intrigued to see what

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.119
<v Speaker 2>potentially he could do with uh, you know, maybe a

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 2>little bit more of a presence there inside. Yeah.

0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, on the pass catching side of things, Alan Lazard

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.840
<v Speaker 1>goes to the New York Jets, Robert Tunyan goes to

0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:30.119
<v Speaker 1>the NFC North rival Chicago Bears, and h both of

0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 1>those moves signal you know, yet another uh sea change

0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.560
<v Speaker 1>so to speak, here in Green Bay at those position groups.

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Because with Lazard gone Randall Cobb unsigned. The torch is

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.399
<v Speaker 1>officially I guess you could say being passed now to

0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the the two top rookies from that group last year,

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs are are now going to

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:55.440
<v Speaker 1>be uh going to be the leaders in that receiver room.

0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:59.399
<v Speaker 1>And and then with Marcedes Lewis unsigned and and Tnyan

0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:03.199
<v Speaker 1>moving on, it's it's Josiah Deguara and Tyler Davis right

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.520
<v Speaker 1>now who are the leaders in the tight end room now.

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I would think the Packers are going to be looking at,

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:12.560
<v Speaker 1>obviously bolstering both of those positions in the draft. But

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:18.120
<v Speaker 1>we could probably do an entire show on the potential

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.920
<v Speaker 1>that Christian Watson showed just in you know, a month,

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.199
<v Speaker 1>month and a half span of time last season. The

0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.080
<v Speaker 1>fact that he is now going to be the number

0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:31.160
<v Speaker 1>one receiver on this offense heading into his second year.

0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a surprise at all based on

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>what we saw the second half of last season.

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Now and you're seeing more and more of these young

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.480
<v Speaker 2>guys coming down and knocking the doors off the hinges,

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:42.720
<v Speaker 2>you know when you look at you know, Justin Jefferson,

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:46.160
<v Speaker 2>and even last year with Garrett Wilson, Jamar Chase guys

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase Christian plays the entire year. If he had

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 2>a first half like he had his second half, he

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 2>would have been in line for a thousand yard season

0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and you know, ten touchdowns. So that is exciting to me.

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.439
<v Speaker 2>The fact that he had fourteen career games played is

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 2>now the most experienced receiver on this roster, I think

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 2>is incredible. Jeff Cotton, who they signed in January off

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 2>the street, He's the oldest receiver in that room right now.

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 2>But you know, as much as the Packers have talked

0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:14.919
<v Speaker 2>about adding a veteran there, Mike, I'll be honest with you,

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.200
<v Speaker 2>I look at the landscape. I don't really know what's

0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:19.159
<v Speaker 2>out there. Every time I look at a sheet that

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 2>is like, hey, what are the top veteran receivers available,

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 2>It kind of looks like Randall Cobb. It kind of

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.879
<v Speaker 2>looks like, you know, some of these guys that you

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.879
<v Speaker 2>know they did the Sammy Watkins deal last year. So

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know where they go in that regard,

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.399
<v Speaker 2>but certainly I think the potential of that group is

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 2>really high. It's just a matter of filling out the

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 2>rest of that depth chart. If you lose a Watson,

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.119
<v Speaker 2>if you lose a Dobbs, making sure you have some

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.120
<v Speaker 2>other young guys that can step up into those roles.

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Certainly they added bow Melton at the end of last season.

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Samori Ture came in had some moments as a seventh

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 2>round pick. But it's going to be interesting how that goes.

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Credit to both Watson and Dobbs. Both of those guys

0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 2>did spend some time out in California with Jordan Love.

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Dobbs actually we trained with them what sounds like quite

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 2>a bit in California and some of their downtime here

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Jones went out there. The Packers young guys and

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 2>even a veteran like Jones, they're making sure that they

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 2>get those extra reps in with Jordan Love. I thought

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>that says a lot about them. Tight End Tyler Davis

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 2>is in the same position right now in twenty twenty

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.159
<v Speaker 2>three that Robert Tunyan was in twenty twenty. It's one

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 2>of the stories I wrote earlier this offseason. If you

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:26.160
<v Speaker 2>look at their trajectories, their ages, everything, even going back

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 2>to them being former college quarterbacks, they've gone along the

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 2>same lines. The only difference with Davis is I think

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 2>he fits the bill a little bit more as an

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.720
<v Speaker 2>inline tight end threat. He had some down moments in

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 2>the preseason last year. Certainly it ended up being on

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.160
<v Speaker 2>the back of his special teams work that he made

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the roster and stayed there the entire season. But if

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Davis wants to be an NFL inline tight end,

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>the guy that gets legitimate work, that opportunity is there

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 2>for him this season. Yes, Josiah Deguar's role is going

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 2>to expand, but to Guara is still more of that

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Swiss army knife. The Packers are going to need, especially

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>if Marcedes Lewis is not back, They're going to need

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 2>that inline tight end that can anchor next to the tackles.

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:06.679
<v Speaker 2>And for Tyler Davis, this is a golden opportunity to

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 2>prove that he can do it.

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I want to say this about Tyler Davis too,

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.440
<v Speaker 1>because we don't know if it's going to work out,

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>but he's getting an opportunity here that not too many

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 1>guys get. And what I mean by that and this

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>is this is both you know, sort of circumstance the

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 1>way it works out, but also a credit to him.

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.200
<v Speaker 1>And what I mean by that is last year heading

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 1>into the draft, or maybe it might have actually been

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>on Draft night or at one of the one of

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the news conferences during the draft, GM Brian Gudakunz made

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a comment about Tyler Davis saying, yeah, I think maybe

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>we have something there.

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, a lot of people obviously latched onto that comment.

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>It was it was a nice boost for the young

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 1>man heading into the twenty twenty two season. But then

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 1>training camp in the preseason didn't didn't go that well,

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 1>had some lapses, some penalties, some drop passes. Things didn't

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>really come together the way that any one headed vision

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.159
<v Speaker 1>and certainly the way that he had hoped. But what

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 1>did he do? Wes? Even though he fell on the

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 1>depth chart and wasn't where he wanted to be on offense,

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>he balled out on special teams all year long. He

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>took everything that rich Basacia and all those other veterans

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.959
<v Speaker 1>on special teams were telling him in terms of how

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.199
<v Speaker 1>to do the job and how to excel and how

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>to succeed, and he did that and because of that

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>he was brought back now as a free agent to

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>come back with another crack at this tight end position

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and trying to regain the spot on the depth chart

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that he lost last year that didn't work out for him.

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 1>It's an opportunity that not many guys get in the

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>NFL when when there's a failure, so to speak, at

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:51.120
<v Speaker 1>a certain level. And Tyler Davis is going to get

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>another shot. And I'm really really curious to see what

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>he does with that opportunity, because you have to believe,

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 1>as frustrating as things were, he wasn't happy about the

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 1>way things went offensively, and you'd think it was you'd

0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>think there would probably be some some confidence issues there.

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm really curious to see what he does with this

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 1>chance now and how he bounces back, because you know,

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>he has to have learned some things about what happened

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 1>a year ago totally.

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:17.920
<v Speaker 2>And when you look at him six four, two hundred

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>and fifty some pounds, the guy is a prototypical special

0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 2>teams ace. I mean he fits that inside linebacker tight ends.

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 2>But you know that's the type of body type they

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>like on teams. Get him to play eighty one percent

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 2>of the special team snaps last year, Michael That basically

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>says he didn't play on field goal block. That's about it.

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the guy.

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise on everything else.

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so again he's proven himself on special teams. But

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 2>as we've seen time and time again, we saw it

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 2>last year with Keishawn Nixon, a little bit with Rudy Ford.

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>It's about growing your role past that and you could

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 2>not ask for a better situation to be in right now.

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, one last thing before we wrap it up

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 1>on this show, And as I said, we'll do another

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>show this week taking a little closer look at the

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>very vious positions on the Packers roster, what sort of

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>stands out as as some of those need areas with

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>regard to the draft, and in that show and then

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>another show early next week, we'll also maybe throw some

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 1>names around as far as some prospects who might fit

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>those positions and where the Packers are picking in the

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 1>first and second round, although that is, you know, somewhat

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to be determined. I guess you could say with regard

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 1>to when and when this Aaron Rodgers trade goes down.

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>But I want to just get your thoughts quickly before

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>we go. You went down to Phoenix, Arizona a few

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago to cover the leagues what they call the

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>annual meetings, also called the Owners meetings. You were down

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>there while I was burning my last few vacation hours

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>before I lost them. But just your impressions, any any

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>thoughts that you brought back with you from those league

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>meetings that you think are particularly pertinent to the Green

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers in twenty twenty three.

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, the biggest thing for me, Michael is we talked

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>to and Gouda Kunst on Monday, which was like a

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.720
<v Speaker 2>day and to the trip, and it was an evening

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 2>session with him. We talked him for about fifteen minutes,

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't really know how that was going to

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>go because we knew what the questions were going to be,

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 2>we just didn't really know what the answers were going

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>to be. And you know, Brian did not equivocate. He

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>was steadfast in terms of the belief in Jordan Love

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 2>and also the Packers' position on where things stand with

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers, and I thought it was I talked with

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Rob Demofski, a ESPN reporter afterwards, and form my opinion

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>call it what you will. I felt like that was

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Brian's golden hour right now as GM. I thought he

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:40.479
<v Speaker 2>handled the situation perfectly. I felt like he came in

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>and he delivered a strong message to the people inside

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 2>this building about the belief inside this building of where

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 2>this team can still go. Because let's be honest, Mike,

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 2>when you have a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, that will

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>be a first ballot Hall of Famer. When Pete Doherty

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 2>makes his case, much like with Brett Farv, it's going

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 2>to take less than ten seconds to explain why Aaron

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Rodgers does be in the Hall of Fame. That is

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 2>a scary proposition for a lot of people. Because for

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.239
<v Speaker 2>someone like myself thirty five years old, as far as

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 2>worry back, I can remember, it's Ben Brett favor It's

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Ben Aaron Rodgers. But time does press on in the Packers.

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>All you can do is hope that Jordan Love doesn't

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 2>have to be Brett Favre. He doesn't have to be

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers. He needs to be Jordan Love, and he

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>needs to be the quarterback that was worthy of being

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>considered as one of the top first round picks, not

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 2>only at his position but in the entire draft. Back then,

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 2>so very excited about that. I felt like Gudakun's really

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>set the table well for where the Packers are looking

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>into the future. The last thing, because it got brought

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>up time and time again, was a question to Matt

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Lafleur many of times over is about well, are you

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 2>excited about how your offense is going to look the

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 2>scheme of your offense? You know, maybe with having a

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>younger quarterback that's going to stick to the script a

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 2>little bit more than maybe what Rogers did. And one

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>thing I think people get so wrong about Matt Lafleur

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 2>is the guy doesn't have an ego. He takes the

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 2>game for what it is. He wants to put the

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>best product down the field. He wants them to run

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the best play. He wants there to be the best opportunity.

0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 2>When you have a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, you seed

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that to him in the moment because

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 2>he's the guy that's ultimately out there with the pass

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 2>rush trying to get to him in less than two

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 2>point five seconds. Rogers is going to see the field

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit differently than a lot of quarterbacks, most quarterbacks,

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 2>maybe every quarterback, you want to be able to use that.

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>But with a guy like Jordan Love coming in, as

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 2>much as people want to say, well are they going

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>to run the scheme whatever, Love, It's not about Jordan Love.

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>It's about what does Aaron Jones get out of this.

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 2>It's about what does someone like David Baktiari and Elton

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Jenkins on the left side of the offensive line, knowing

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>that they have a young quarterback behind him that they

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 2>have to protect. It's never been about one player. It's

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>been about the sum of the hole. And I feel

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 2>like that's one thing that Lafloor is very entrenched in.

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you can say that's from working with young quarterbacks

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>in washing or doing the job that he did in

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Tennessee or even LA, but the fact of the matter is,

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 2>as much as this is a quarterback driven league, you

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>need all eleven players offensively to get where you need

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 2>to go. I feel like that's the most intriguing thing.

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 2>And I think when you listen to Lafleur, as grateful

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 2>as he is for the four years he spent with

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers, the exciting thing for him now is the

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 2>new challenge in front of this team in rallying around

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 2>a young twenty four year old quarterback. Yeah.

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And the fact that Matt Lafleur has the experience

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<v Speaker 1>of adjusting his scheme and his system to a quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>when he first got here as head coach, and he

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<v Speaker 1>went through that entire process and got to do it

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<v Speaker 1>with a Hall of Fame quarterback. I think that's only

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<v Speaker 1>going to benefit the entire offense, the entire team as

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Lafleur repeats that experience but with a completely different

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<v Speaker 1>young quarterback without the experience level. But he's made the

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<v Speaker 1>adjustments to the system, to the player, to the quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>before and now he has to do it again, albeit

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<v Speaker 1>just in different circumstances. But you know that that's a

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<v Speaker 1>challenge he's looking forward.

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<v Speaker 2>To absolutely, and for Packer fans all through, my main

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<v Speaker 2>message if you read our inside or inbox all off

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<v Speaker 2>season has been it doesn't have to be either or

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<v Speaker 2>with Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love. You can be appreciative

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<v Speaker 2>of the fifteen years of Aaron Rodgers as the starting

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback here and everything he accomplished, the Super Bowl trophy

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<v Speaker 2>that he added downstairs, the four MVPs, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he did have one of the most remarkable careers in

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<v Speaker 2>NFL history in Green Bay, and also still be excited

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<v Speaker 2>about what the prospects are of watching a young quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>grow Mike, I haven't seen it yet. You have. You

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<v Speaker 2>got to see Aaron Rodgers as a backup transitioning into

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<v Speaker 2>a starter. I've only covered an MVP, a Super Bowl champion,

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<v Speaker 2>so I personally am very intrigued for the better or worse,

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<v Speaker 2>for the good moments in the bad of watching a

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<v Speaker 2>young guy move into that position. A Gratitude is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge thing in the sport. There's an incredible amount of

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<v Speaker 2>gratitude for what Aaron Rodgers has accomplished and also excitement

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<v Speaker 2>for what the next chapter holds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no question about it. Well with that, we will

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<v Speaker 1>call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, we'll have another episode this week and

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<v Speaker 1>another one in the early portion of next week, looking

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<v Speaker 1>ahead to the draft, trying to take a look at

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers roster, where certain holes are, where certain players

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to fit. All of that, We've got

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<v Speaker 1>it coming for you now that we are back online

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<v Speaker 1>with Packers Unscripted. So thank you for tuning in everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you next time.