1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot com. 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is my partner in crime, 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from separate locations 4 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: at Lambeaufield as we reboot Packers Unscripted for twenty twenty three. 5 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Just so you know, the resumption of Zoom is not 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: due to COVID or anything else like that. It actually 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: has to do with some technical limitations that we're dealing 8 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: with right now. Hopefully they're only temporary, but we don't 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: really know for sure how long we will have to 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: do the show this way. But with the players returning 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: for the offseason program, with the draft less than ten 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: days away now, we thought even with the technical limitations, 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: we would get the show going again. So welcome back, Weston. 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: How are you, my friend? 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: I'm doing great spot. You know, it brings back such 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: amazing memories of me staring into your living room, you 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: staring into my bonus room, and now we get to 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: relive it a little bit here on the Zoom technology 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: thanks to our producer justin kind of stepping in. Yeah, 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: we're gonna do the best we can, but certainly it's 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: been an off season of adjustments for the Green Bay Packers. Likewise, 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: Packers Unscripted also adjusting. 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, And that's what I want to get 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: to here with our first show back will be reviewing 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: the off season to this point, and then we'll do 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: a couple of more shows prior to the first round 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: of the draft, and we'll look a little bit more 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: at the roster needs and the draft prospects potentially that 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: sort of thing. But obviously, the big story of the 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: off season so far with the Green Bay Packers is 31 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: that the franchise is moving on to Jordan Love as 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: the starting quarterback. Aaron Rodgers is going to be traded, 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: as far as we know, to the New York Jets. 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: He's expressed his desire to play there. The Packers and 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: the Jets have both express their desire to work out 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: a deal. That deal has not happened yet yet. We 37 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to happen before the draft, 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: during the draft, or perhaps after the draft. But you 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: said it, Wes, this is going to be a year 40 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: of transition in twenty twenty three for the Green Bay Packers. 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: There was a pretty big transition offensively last year when 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: DeVante Adams was traded in March and there was a 43 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: big shift in how things were going to have to 44 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: work offensively. This is sort of the DeVante Adams transition. 45 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: Transition excuse me times about ten or twenty or maybe 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: one hundred when you're talking about changing quarterbacks and moving 47 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: on from the four time MVP. It's going to be 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: a very very interesting off season here in Green Bay 49 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: with OTAs about a month and a half away or 50 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: so from getting started. 51 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's be honest, Mike, I mean, we knew 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: this day was eventually going to come. There was going 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: to be a time where you and I were talking 54 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: about a Green Bay Packer squad without Aaron Rodgers as 55 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: their starting quarterback. And as it turned out, this so 56 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: happened to be the off season. And it's something that 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: I think from a franchise standpoint, it's been kind of 58 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 2: leading up to this. Jordan Love was drafted three years ago. 59 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: The Packers traded up to take him out of Utah 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: State saw him as a long term prospect, and I 61 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: felt like last season, while the sample size was undoubtedly small, 62 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: we saw the progress in Jordan's game that maybe wasn't 63 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: necessarily there as a rookie, maybe wasn't quite where you 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: wanted to be in year two, but year three seemed 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: to really be a turning point for him. And from 66 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers perspective, obviously, you know, we don't 67 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: need to go through everything that's been said between Rogers 68 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: and the Packers, but this felt like, from both perspectives, 69 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: the right time to move towards, you know, different directions. 70 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: And obviously you look at what the New York Jets 71 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 2: have done and where their position to be. I've said 72 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: a time and time again in our Insider Inbox column, 73 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: they are a team that is really just a quarterback 74 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: away from contending. Thought last year that was really the 75 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: only thing that was holding that squad back, So on 76 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: both sides, it does make sense. It just comes down 77 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: to figuring out out the compensatory piece and and figuring 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: out exactly, you know, what needs to be given up to, 79 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: you know, transact a deal like this at the scale 80 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: of this, with a four time MVP that is just 81 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: one year removed from going back to back in that category. 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you said it. With regard to the Jets, they 83 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: felt like they were on the verge of making the 84 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: playoffs last year sort of collapsed at the end of 85 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: the season. They really felt all the question marks at quarterback. 86 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: You know, we're really what what held them back? And 87 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: so they've they've had their eye on Aaron Rodgers for 88 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: for a while now, really throughout this entire offseason, and 89 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: we don't know everything that has gone on behind the 90 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: scenes with regard to Jordan Love in practice running the 91 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: scout team. You know, we get to see training camp practices, 92 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: we get to see preseason games. We got to see 93 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: that impressive fourth quarter in Philadelphia on in in prime 94 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: time under the lights at Lincoln Financial Field. But but 95 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: it's not just that short you know, as you said, 96 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: small sample size against Philadelphia that gives the Packers the 97 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: confidence that this is the time to move on to 98 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: Jordan Love. It's all the things with regard to practice 99 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: and how he's conducted himself, how he's run things, what 100 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: he's done with those opportunities that give the Packers the 101 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: confidence that now is the time. And you know, we 102 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: could do an entire show on history repeating itself in 103 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: some ways when you talk about the three year timeline 104 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: the New York Jets being the team that the Hall 105 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: of fame quarterback is going to be traded to and 106 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: all that. But we've heard from some of Jordan Love's 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: teammates that this sure sounds like very different from two 108 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, when there was clearly a split amongst 109 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: younger players versus veterans in terms of who's behind Aaron 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: Rodgers or who still wants Brett Favre to stay. And 111 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into all that. What we've 112 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: heard from the Packers' locker room to this point, and 113 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: this is not kind of knocked against Aaron Rodgers, but 114 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: this is a locker room that's going to be behind 115 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: Jordan Love one hundred percent, and a lot of his 116 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: young teammates certainly believe in him through and through Mike. 117 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: You and I have said this for three years now. 118 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 2: Jordan Love has done everything right since the moment he 119 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: walked into the building with the Green Bay Packers. The 120 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: fact that the locker room thinks is highly of him 121 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: as they do, the fact that Aaron Rodgers has talked 122 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: about him as glowingly as he has. You know, even 123 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: going back to that interview with Pat McAfee last month, 124 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: you know, he talked about how he thinks he's going 125 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: to be a great quarterback in this league, and he's 126 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 2: a young guy that you know, Jordan Love could have 127 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: made this so much more difficult than it's been the 128 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: last three years, but he never complained once about the 129 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: situation he was in. He never publicly came out and said, hey, 130 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: I want to be a starting quarterback. I don't I 131 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: want to be this starting quarterback. I'm I'm tired of 132 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 2: sitting behind Aaron Rodgers. He has literally just been the 133 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: guy he's needed to be when the Packers have needed 134 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: him to be that individual. That's why I kind of 135 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 2: found it funny when people were making a big deal 136 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: and rightfully so I get it, he's the quarterback. But 137 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: you know, Monday, players reported back for the off season program. 138 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: The video of Jordan Love walking into the building obviously 139 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: drew a lot of eyes, got a lot of engagement 140 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: on Twitter, but the reality is this has been no 141 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: different than the last two years where Jordan Love has 142 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: come in when Aaron Rodgers hasn't been with the team 143 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: and ben the starting quarterback, the quarterback number one in 144 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: these OTA practices, even in a mini camp, mandatory mini 145 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: camp practice, he's been the guy running the show a 146 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: lot of the times. Now he seeded that position to 147 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: Rogers in training camp, but Jordan Love has been preparing 148 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: for this moment, and I think when you hear a 149 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: guy like Aaron Jones talk about this, you know at 150 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: the Packers tailgate tour on the kickoff last week, mentioning 151 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: that the message he wants to convey to Jordan Love 152 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: is we got your back. We are here to play 153 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: for you. If it was Aaron Rodgers, it would be 154 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: the same situation. But letting the young guy know that 155 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: if you are going to be QB one this season, 156 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: we are going to do everything in our power to 157 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: make sure that you're going to be put into a 158 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: position to succeed. And if you're a young guy like 159 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: Jordan Love who's going to have rough patch, who's going 160 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: to make mistakes, that's the best thing you can hear 161 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: that you have a veteran core around you that is 162 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: really ready to rally around your leadership. Yeah. 163 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely. In terms of reviewing the rest of the offseason, 164 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: we'll take a look here at the free agents who 165 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: re signed, the guys who have returned, and then those 166 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: who have departed and give a sense of just where 167 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: where the Packers roster stands in terms of how this 168 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: team is taking shape around Jordan Love. You look at 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: the guys that the free agents that have come back West, 170 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: I'll just list them off here, Keyshawn Nixon, Dallan Levitt, 171 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: Eric Wilson, Rudy Ford, Tyler Davis, Corey Ballantine, and Justin Hollins. 172 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: There's a there's a theme to that list of players, right, 173 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: and it's the it's the connection to special teams. What 174 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: the Packers did in turning around their special teams under 175 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: Rich Basaccia his first year as the Packers coordinator last year, 176 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: a guy with multiple decades of experience doing this in 177 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: the league. There was the coaching change last year, there 178 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: was also the philosophical the personnel change in terms of 179 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: the types of players that the Packers want to be 180 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: those core guys on special teams, and they're bringing them 181 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: all back. And obviously at the top of that list 182 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: is Keishawn Nixon. Now, and we'll get into some of 183 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: the guys who left in a little bit. But when 184 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: I took a look as soon as the season ended, 185 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: I took a look at the entire list of the 186 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: Packers pending free agents, Honestly, the guy that was at 187 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: the top of my list that I thought the Packers 188 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: have to bring this guy back, no matter what was 189 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: Keishaw Nixon. I mean what he did for the return game, 190 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: kickoff returns, punt returns, what he what he did on 191 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: defense playing you know, settling in as a very reliable 192 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: nickel corner that that that slot corner position. He became 193 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,479 Speaker 1: a very valuable piece to this team in two phases, 194 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time, and that would 195 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: have been a huge loss for the Packers if Keishawn 196 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: Nixon had signed as a free agent elsewhere. I think 197 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: bringing him back was a huge step for twenty twenty three, 198 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: even if you know directly he may won't necessarily be 199 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: on the field with Jordan Love, although maybe he will 200 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: be as we hear, you know, the little rumblings about 201 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: him wanting to play offense and Matt Lafleur possibly being 202 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: open to it. But what Keishaw Nixon means to the 203 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: special teams and to this defense moving forward I think 204 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: is huge. 205 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: Well, let's use this as a starting point. Mike. The 206 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: agree with Packers twenty twenty one was not acceptable on 207 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: special teams. They had to change the direction of that unit. 208 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: But they didn't lay it at the feet of one individual. Yes, 209 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 2: obviously you look at Rich Bisaccia coming in and replacing 210 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: Mo Drayton, but they did it on the personnel side too. 211 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 2: They've done it with the way in which they've coached 212 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: this thing. You listened to Matt Lafleur last year talking 213 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: about the special Teams design periods that they implemented last 214 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: year for that very reason to get more out of 215 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: that unit. When you look at the strides they've made 216 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: and also the transition the Packers are going to make 217 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: offensively this year, you could not be in a position 218 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: where you have question marks with special teams. You need 219 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,479 Speaker 2: to take the personnel. You had, the guys that contributed 220 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: to that turnaround, and you need to keep them in 221 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: this building because now you're going to have a young 222 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: influx of players coming in who are going to learn 223 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: underneath those trees with Rich Bisacia with his assistance, also 224 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: with these players coming back like your down Levitts, your 225 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: Ruby Ford's and as you were pointing out Keishawn Nixon. 226 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: In my mind, Mike, to see the Green Bay Packers 227 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: go on a twelve month span from a kickoff return 228 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: and a punt return unit in which people legitimately were 229 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: nervous when the ball is being kicked to Green Bay, 230 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: you were kind of worried that there was going to 231 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: be a muff punt, there was going to be some 232 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: kind of negative play that was going to impact the 233 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: rest of that game. Not only did Kishawn Nixon eliminate 234 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: those fears, he completely turned it around on the other 235 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: side of things, where now the Packers' special teams, the Packers' 236 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: return units are the ones making the play, and he 237 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: built up every single week. People forget this is a 238 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: guy that really hadn't done a lot of kickoff returning 239 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: in the NFL. He obviously did it in Juco, he 240 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: hadn't been punt returning really at all until they put 241 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: him in there mid season, and in both phases he 242 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: played fearlessly, he played tenacious, and he was able to 243 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: be a big time playmaker for them, the biggest moment 244 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: of all obviously coming in Miami and then Minnesota back 245 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: to back at the end of the season. Keishawn Nixon 246 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: is a heck of a football player, and you can 247 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: tell how seriously the Green Bay Packers are taking his 248 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: playmaking potential by basically saying yes. In addition to the 249 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: special team stuff, this guy's going to be the nickel 250 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: going into the offseason program. He has to hold on 251 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: to that position. He has to prove that he can 252 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: grow into that spot. But the Packers are going to 253 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: open up every door possible for Keishawn Nixon to be 254 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: a playmaker in multiple phases. 255 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, first team All Pro as a kickoff returner and 256 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: really didn't necessarily take over the job full time until 257 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: close to halfway through the season last year. So just 258 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: a tremendous year and it's a it's it's a tremendous 259 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: resigning for the Packers to bring him back. The other 260 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: one I want to mention, in addition to all those 261 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: special teams guys, that was a little bit under the 262 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: radar before we move on to the guys that departed 263 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: and looking at the roster, but the Packers were able 264 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: to bring back Justin Hollins at outside linebacker. And this 265 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: is a young man claimed on waivers from the Rams Tour. 266 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: Actually I think it was even beyond the midway point 267 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: of last season, but in a short time in Green 268 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: Bay made a pretty strong impression as to what he 269 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: could bring to this defense and what he could do 270 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: for Joe Barry, and with you know, the uncertainty surrounding 271 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: exactly when Rashaun Gary will be back from the ACL injury, 272 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: the fact that you have Preston Smith and then a 273 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: fifth round pick from last year kings Leyanni bari As 274 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: as two of your top outside rushers right now, bringing 275 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: back a guy like Hollinds just for that depth piece, 276 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, to be able to play, you know, even 277 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: if it ends up only being twenty or twenty five 278 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: snaps a game or something, and maybe it'll be more 279 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: than that, depending on Gary's situation. We'll have to see. 280 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: But I thought that was I thought that was a 281 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: really like sneaky good move by Green Bay to get 282 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: him back, considering the impression he made in that small 283 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: sample size late last season. 284 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was sort of an emblematic of a 285 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: lot of the moves the Packers made this offseason, in 286 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: which yes, it made total sense for the Packers, but 287 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: it also made sense for the player too. I mean, 288 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: justin Hollins even said it, you know, the Rams letting 289 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: him go last season. I think even in the quote 290 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: that Sean McVay said, they want to give him a 291 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: chance to sort of catch on somewhere else or prove 292 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: himself elsewhere, and he did that in Green Bay. And 293 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: I feel like with Rashaan Geary, you know what ecl 294 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: injuries are like, you know for sure you're probably not 295 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: gonna have him at the beginning of training camp. You 296 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: have to be able to give yourself some breathing room there. 297 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: So Yeah, Kingsleyanninkbari JJ the guy I thought played exceptionally 298 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: well as a rookie. He contributed in ways I did 299 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: not anticipate him to contribute right off the bat because 300 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: of Gary's injury. But it was Justin Hollins that came 301 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: in and filled out that edge rusting rotation down the stretch. 302 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: Preston Smith can play seventy eighty percent of the defensive snaps. 303 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: He's shown even at thirty years old, he has no 304 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: problem doing that. But you needed to be able to 305 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: have another veteran presence in there. The year earlier, it 306 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: was Whitney Merciless. Last year it was Justin Hollins. I 307 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: would imagine, Mike, when you and I are doing our 308 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: preview for the draft next week and in these next 309 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: episodes to come, We're going to be talking a lot 310 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: about edge rushers, but we know how this game is played. 311 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: You need guys that know the defense. You need guys 312 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: that have some veteran knack to them, and Justin Hollins 313 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 2: checks both of those boxes with his past experience with 314 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: Joe Barry, and I think it made a lot of 315 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: sense on numerous amount of levels as he's also not 316 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: only the Green Bay Packers, but Justin Hollins is looking 317 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: to put himself in a better position next year as 318 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: a free agent. 319 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. Well, before I forget here 320 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: on our rebooted show, I want to take care of 321 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: some sponsor business. 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Well, 338 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: looking at the rest of the free agent picture, four 339 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: veterans who remain unsigned at this point, Mercedes Lewis, Randall Cobb, 340 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: Mason Crosby, and Adrian Amos have not signed with anybody, 341 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: the Packers or any other team at that point. So 342 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: very much in wait and see mode as far as 343 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: as far as those guys are concerned. Free agents who 344 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: departed again, I will just list them off Dean Lowry, 345 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: Jaron Reid, Al Mazzard, Robert Tunyan, and Chris Barnes. Starting 346 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: with those first two on the defensive line, Dean Lowry, 347 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: Jaron Reid. Lowry goes to NFC North rival Minnesota. Jared 348 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: Reid goes back to where it all began. I guess 349 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: you might say with the Seattle Seahawks, and it puts 350 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: it puts an interesting spotlight on the Packers defensive line, 351 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: no question about it, because a guy like Lowry, you know, 352 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: six years if I have the math right, No, I'm sorry, 353 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: seven years, seven years, yeah. 354 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: Six seven years on the calendar. 355 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, seven years, seven seasons in the in the on 356 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: the Packers defensive line. Jaron Reid a free agent acquisition 357 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: from a year ago who came in and made an 358 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: impact as well. Two big holes there, But I think 359 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: the Packers letting them go is a sign, more than 360 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: anything else, that they are going to be counting on TJ. Slayton, 361 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: fifth round draft pick from a couple of years ago, 362 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: and Davante Wyatt, a first round pick out of Georgia 363 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: a year ago, to step up and play significantly larger 364 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: roles on this defensive front in twenty twenty three, along 365 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: with whoever else might be brought in via the draft. 366 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: And we'll get to that on some upcoming shows. But 367 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: this is going to be about Slayton and Wyatt on 368 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: the defensive line and those guys stepping forward into a 369 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: level of responsibility they haven't quite seen yet in the NFL. 370 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the other guy too that The other 371 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: one I want to mention is Chris Slayton. He was 372 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: on the practice squad all of last season, but the 373 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 2: Packers have had him around for a while and he's 374 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: actually sort of a veteran interested to see what kind 375 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: of opportunities might they be there for him as well. 376 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: But to your point, Mike, I'm actually very intrigued and 377 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: excited about this defensive line for as much uncertainty as 378 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: there is outside of Kenny Clark. And the big reason 379 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: for that is I think the Packers needed to mix 380 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: it up a little bit. Dean was a great player 381 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: for this team for a number of years. I thought 382 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 2: Jaron Reid had some moments last year, especially down the stretch. 383 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: But you know, we know what the run defense has 384 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 2: been like the past few seasons. We know some of 385 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: the issues that Green Bay has had and sort of 386 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: the inconsistency of it, and I'm excited to see what 387 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: a DeVante Wyatt can bring, what maybe TJ. Slayton can 388 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: offer in an expanded role. Can he improve enough, Can 389 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: he show enough as a one technique to maybe be 390 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 2: a little bit more fluid with how they use Kenny Clark. 391 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 2: Because as much as We've talked about Kenny and reducing 392 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: some of the snaps and changing his role up a 393 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: little bit. It's basically every season come back to him 394 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: having to play the nose tackle position because he's the 395 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: most surest guy in there. Even though he's probably not 396 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: as big as most no those tackles, especially in a 397 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: three to four front, Kenny has had to kind of 398 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: weather those storms. Can t J. Slayton show that he 399 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: can be that guy, because structurally physically he definitely fits 400 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: the bill with his size. DeVante Wyatt, I look at 401 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: him in the same breath that I look at Rashaun 402 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: Gary from a couple of years ago. This is a 403 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: guy that virtually redshirted that first year, didn't get a 404 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: whole lot of opportunities behind that experience, behind the fact 405 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: that TJ. Slat was basically the next guy up in 406 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: the rotation. But Whyatt has a first round pedigree and 407 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: if you look at his story going back to Georgia, 408 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: there are a lot of parallels there with how he's 409 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: going to be used this year in Green Bay. He's 410 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: going to see a significant bump in his spike of 411 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: his playing time. Can his play go along with that? 412 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur said it when we were down at the 413 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: NFL Owners meetings. It is going to be a challenge 414 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: for him to make sure he knows his cues, knows 415 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: that he's not giving away any any tendencies to the 416 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: opposing offensive line. Athletically, there is nothing to question there 417 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: with Devonte White. The kid can be a playmaker. You 418 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: saw that in the season finale against Detroit. It's going 419 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: to be all the little things at this level. If 420 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: he can look to master and if he does, Packers 421 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: have a lot of potential. I like where that group 422 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: is going, if why it can live up to that 423 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: first round potential. 424 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like what you said too about TJ. 425 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: Slayton potentially taking on more of that that anchor in 426 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: the middle, Because if TJ. Slayton can can take over 427 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: a little bit more of that anchor role in the middle, 428 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: that's going to allow you to move Kenny Clark around 429 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: and try to get a certain matchups right against certain 430 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: guards or you know, lining up in certain positions. If 431 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark always has to be that guy in the middle, 432 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: you're not playing a matchup game. You're just playing this 433 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: is where you know he has to he has to 434 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 1: fit right now. So I'm sure that's something that that 435 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: clerk will potentially look forward to forward. 436 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: I don't have this well, I don't have the Saber 437 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: metrics in front of me, Mike, but I did see 438 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: a lot of the analytics at the end of last season. 439 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: The amount of double teams that Kenny has seen last year, 440 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: the year before that. 441 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: Is it went when when has he not except for 442 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: maybe his rookie season. 443 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that has been the big challenge for him, 444 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: is just trying to find that that piece next to 445 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: him that can alleviate some of that. They had it 446 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 2: with Rashaun Gary, they had it, you know, with with 447 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: President Smith. But it's been that fourth guy, uh in 448 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: that spot, and uh, I'm very intrigued to see what 449 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 2: potentially he could do with uh, you know, maybe a 450 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: little bit more of a presence there inside. Yeah. 451 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: Well, on the pass catching side of things, Alan Lazard 452 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: goes to the New York Jets, Robert Tunyan goes to 453 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: the NFC North rival Chicago Bears, and h both of 454 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: those moves signal you know, yet another uh sea change 455 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: so to speak, here in Green Bay at those position groups. 456 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: Because with Lazard gone Randall Cobb unsigned. The torch is 457 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: officially I guess you could say being passed now to 458 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: the the two top rookies from that group last year, 459 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs are are now going to 460 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: be uh going to be the leaders in that receiver room. 461 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: And and then with Marcedes Lewis unsigned and and Tnyan 462 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: moving on, it's it's Josiah Deguara and Tyler Davis right 463 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: now who are the leaders in the tight end room now. 464 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: I would think the Packers are going to be looking at, 465 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: obviously bolstering both of those positions in the draft. But 466 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: we could probably do an entire show on the potential 467 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: that Christian Watson showed just in you know, a month, 468 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: month and a half span of time last season. The 469 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: fact that he is now going to be the number 470 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: one receiver on this offense heading into his second year. 471 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a surprise at all based on 472 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: what we saw the second half of last season. 473 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 2: Now and you're seeing more and more of these young 474 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: guys coming down and knocking the doors off the hinges, 475 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: you know when you look at you know, Justin Jefferson, 476 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 2: and even last year with Garrett Wilson, Jamar Chase guys 477 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: Jamar Chase Christian plays the entire year. If he had 478 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: a first half like he had his second half, he 479 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: would have been in line for a thousand yard season 480 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: and you know, ten touchdowns. So that is exciting to me. 481 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: The fact that he had fourteen career games played is 482 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: now the most experienced receiver on this roster, I think 483 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: is incredible. Jeff Cotton, who they signed in January off 484 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: the street, He's the oldest receiver in that room right now. 485 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: But you know, as much as the Packers have talked 486 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: about adding a veteran there, Mike, I'll be honest with you, 487 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: I look at the landscape. I don't really know what's 488 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: out there. Every time I look at a sheet that 489 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: is like, hey, what are the top veteran receivers available, 490 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: It kind of looks like Randall Cobb. It kind of 491 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: looks like, you know, some of these guys that you 492 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: know they did the Sammy Watkins deal last year. So 493 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: I don't really know where they go in that regard, 494 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 2: but certainly I think the potential of that group is 495 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: really high. It's just a matter of filling out the 496 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: rest of that depth chart. If you lose a Watson, 497 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: if you lose a Dobbs, making sure you have some 498 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 2: other young guys that can step up into those roles. 499 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: Certainly they added bow Melton at the end of last season. 500 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: Samori Ture came in had some moments as a seventh 501 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: round pick. But it's going to be interesting how that goes. 502 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: Credit to both Watson and Dobbs. Both of those guys 503 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: did spend some time out in California with Jordan Love. 504 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: Dobbs actually we trained with them what sounds like quite 505 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: a bit in California and some of their downtime here 506 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 2: Aaron Jones went out there. The Packers young guys and 507 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: even a veteran like Jones, they're making sure that they 508 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: get those extra reps in with Jordan Love. I thought 509 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: that says a lot about them. Tight End Tyler Davis 510 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: is in the same position right now in twenty twenty 511 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 2: three that Robert Tunyan was in twenty twenty. It's one 512 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 2: of the stories I wrote earlier this offseason. If you 513 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: look at their trajectories, their ages, everything, even going back 514 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 2: to them being former college quarterbacks, they've gone along the 515 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: same lines. The only difference with Davis is I think 516 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: he fits the bill a little bit more as an 517 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: inline tight end threat. He had some down moments in 518 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 2: the preseason last year. Certainly it ended up being on 519 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 2: the back of his special teams work that he made 520 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: the roster and stayed there the entire season. But if 521 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 2: Tyler Davis wants to be an NFL inline tight end, 522 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: the guy that gets legitimate work, that opportunity is there 523 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: for him this season. Yes, Josiah Deguar's role is going 524 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: to expand, but to Guara is still more of that 525 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: Swiss army knife. The Packers are going to need, especially 526 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: if Marcedes Lewis is not back, They're going to need 527 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: that inline tight end that can anchor next to the tackles. 528 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 2: And for Tyler Davis, this is a golden opportunity to 529 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: prove that he can do it. 530 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to say this about Tyler Davis too, 531 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: because we don't know if it's going to work out, 532 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: but he's getting an opportunity here that not too many 533 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: guys get. And what I mean by that and this 534 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: is this is both you know, sort of circumstance the 535 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: way it works out, but also a credit to him. 536 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is last year heading 537 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: into the draft, or maybe it might have actually been 538 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: on Draft night or at one of the one of 539 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: the news conferences during the draft, GM Brian Gudakunz made 540 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: a comment about Tyler Davis saying, yeah, I think maybe 541 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: we have something there. 542 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 543 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people obviously latched onto that comment. 544 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: It was it was a nice boost for the young 545 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: man heading into the twenty twenty two season. But then 546 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: training camp in the preseason didn't didn't go that well, 547 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: had some lapses, some penalties, some drop passes. Things didn't 548 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: really come together the way that any one headed vision 549 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: and certainly the way that he had hoped. But what 550 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: did he do? Wes? Even though he fell on the 551 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: depth chart and wasn't where he wanted to be on offense, 552 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: he balled out on special teams all year long. He 553 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: took everything that rich Basacia and all those other veterans 554 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,959 Speaker 1: on special teams were telling him in terms of how 555 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: to do the job and how to excel and how 556 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: to succeed, and he did that and because of that 557 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: he was brought back now as a free agent to 558 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: come back with another crack at this tight end position 559 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: and trying to regain the spot on the depth chart 560 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: that he lost last year that didn't work out for him. 561 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: It's an opportunity that not many guys get in the 562 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: NFL when when there's a failure, so to speak, at 563 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: a certain level. And Tyler Davis is going to get 564 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: another shot. And I'm really really curious to see what 565 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: he does with that opportunity, because you have to believe, 566 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: as frustrating as things were, he wasn't happy about the 567 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: way things went offensively, and you'd think it was you'd 568 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: think there would probably be some some confidence issues there. 569 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see what he does with this 570 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: chance now and how he bounces back, because you know, 571 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: he has to have learned some things about what happened 572 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: a year ago totally. 573 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: And when you look at him six four, two hundred 574 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: and fifty some pounds, the guy is a prototypical special 575 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: teams ace. I mean he fits that inside linebacker tight ends. 576 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: But you know that's the type of body type they 577 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: like on teams. Get him to play eighty one percent 578 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: of the special team snaps last year, Michael That basically 579 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 2: says he didn't play on field goal block. That's about it. 580 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 2: I mean, the guy. 581 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: Otherwise on everything else. 582 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so again he's proven himself on special teams. But 583 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: as we've seen time and time again, we saw it 584 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: last year with Keishawn Nixon, a little bit with Rudy Ford. 585 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: It's about growing your role past that and you could 586 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: not ask for a better situation to be in right now. 587 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, one last thing before we wrap it up 588 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: on this show, And as I said, we'll do another 589 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: show this week taking a little closer look at the 590 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: very vious positions on the Packers roster, what sort of 591 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: stands out as as some of those need areas with 592 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: regard to the draft, and in that show and then 593 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: another show early next week, we'll also maybe throw some 594 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: names around as far as some prospects who might fit 595 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: those positions and where the Packers are picking in the 596 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: first and second round, although that is, you know, somewhat 597 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: to be determined. I guess you could say with regard 598 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: to when and when this Aaron Rodgers trade goes down. 599 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: But I want to just get your thoughts quickly before 600 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: we go. You went down to Phoenix, Arizona a few 601 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: weeks ago to cover the leagues what they call the 602 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: annual meetings, also called the Owners meetings. You were down 603 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: there while I was burning my last few vacation hours 604 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: before I lost them. But just your impressions, any any 605 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: thoughts that you brought back with you from those league 606 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: meetings that you think are particularly pertinent to the Green 607 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: Bay Packers in twenty twenty three. 608 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: Well, the biggest thing for me, Michael is we talked 609 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: to and Gouda Kunst on Monday, which was like a 610 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: day and to the trip, and it was an evening 611 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: session with him. We talked him for about fifteen minutes, 612 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: and I didn't really know how that was going to 613 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 2: go because we knew what the questions were going to be, 614 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: we just didn't really know what the answers were going 615 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: to be. And you know, Brian did not equivocate. He 616 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 2: was steadfast in terms of the belief in Jordan Love 617 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: and also the Packers' position on where things stand with 618 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, and I thought it was I talked with 619 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: Rob Demofski, a ESPN reporter afterwards, and form my opinion 620 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: call it what you will. I felt like that was 621 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: Brian's golden hour right now as GM. I thought he 622 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 2: handled the situation perfectly. I felt like he came in 623 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: and he delivered a strong message to the people inside 624 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: this building about the belief inside this building of where 625 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: this team can still go. Because let's be honest, Mike, 626 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 2: when you have a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, that will 627 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: be a first ballot Hall of Famer. When Pete Doherty 628 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: makes his case, much like with Brett Farv, it's going 629 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: to take less than ten seconds to explain why Aaron 630 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 2: Rodgers does be in the Hall of Fame. That is 631 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: a scary proposition for a lot of people. Because for 632 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 2: someone like myself thirty five years old, as far as 633 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: worry back, I can remember, it's Ben Brett favor It's 634 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: Ben Aaron Rodgers. But time does press on in the Packers. 635 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: All you can do is hope that Jordan Love doesn't 636 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: have to be Brett Favre. He doesn't have to be 637 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. He needs to be Jordan Love, and he 638 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: needs to be the quarterback that was worthy of being 639 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: considered as one of the top first round picks, not 640 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: only at his position but in the entire draft. Back then, 641 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 2: so very excited about that. I felt like Gudakun's really 642 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: set the table well for where the Packers are looking 643 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: into the future. The last thing, because it got brought 644 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: up time and time again, was a question to Matt 645 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: Lafleur many of times over is about well, are you 646 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 2: excited about how your offense is going to look the 647 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: scheme of your offense? You know, maybe with having a 648 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: younger quarterback that's going to stick to the script a 649 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: little bit more than maybe what Rogers did. And one 650 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 2: thing I think people get so wrong about Matt Lafleur 651 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: is the guy doesn't have an ego. He takes the 652 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: game for what it is. He wants to put the 653 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: best product down the field. He wants them to run 654 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: the best play. He wants there to be the best opportunity. 655 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 2: When you have a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, you seed 656 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: a lot of that to him in the moment because 657 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: he's the guy that's ultimately out there with the pass 658 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: rush trying to get to him in less than two 659 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 2: point five seconds. Rogers is going to see the field 660 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: a little bit differently than a lot of quarterbacks, most quarterbacks, 661 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: maybe every quarterback, you want to be able to use that. 662 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: But with a guy like Jordan Love coming in, as 663 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: much as people want to say, well are they going 664 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: to run the scheme whatever, Love, It's not about Jordan Love. 665 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: It's about what does Aaron Jones get out of this. 666 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: It's about what does someone like David Baktiari and Elton 667 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: Jenkins on the left side of the offensive line, knowing 668 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: that they have a young quarterback behind him that they 669 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: have to protect. It's never been about one player. It's 670 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: been about the sum of the hole. And I feel 671 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: like that's one thing that Lafloor is very entrenched in. 672 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: Maybe you can say that's from working with young quarterbacks 673 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: in washing or doing the job that he did in 674 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: Tennessee or even LA, but the fact of the matter is, 675 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: as much as this is a quarterback driven league, you 676 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: need all eleven players offensively to get where you need 677 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: to go. I feel like that's the most intriguing thing. 678 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: And I think when you listen to Lafleur, as grateful 679 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: as he is for the four years he spent with 680 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, the exciting thing for him now is the 681 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 2: new challenge in front of this team in rallying around 682 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 2: a young twenty four year old quarterback. Yeah. 683 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And the fact that Matt Lafleur has the experience 684 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: of adjusting his scheme and his system to a quarterback 685 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: when he first got here as head coach, and he 686 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: went through that entire process and got to do it 687 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: with a Hall of Fame quarterback. I think that's only 688 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: going to benefit the entire offense, the entire team as 689 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur repeats that experience but with a completely different 690 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: young quarterback without the experience level. But he's made the 691 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: adjustments to the system, to the player, to the quarterback 692 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: before and now he has to do it again, albeit 693 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: just in different circumstances. But you know that that's a 694 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: challenge he's looking forward. 695 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: To absolutely, and for Packer fans all through, my main 696 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 2: message if you read our inside or inbox all off 697 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 2: season has been it doesn't have to be either or 698 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: with Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love. You can be appreciative 699 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: of the fifteen years of Aaron Rodgers as the starting 700 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 2: quarterback here and everything he accomplished, the Super Bowl trophy 701 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 2: that he added downstairs, the four MVPs, the fact that 702 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: he did have one of the most remarkable careers in 703 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: NFL history in Green Bay, and also still be excited 704 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: about what the prospects are of watching a young quarterback 705 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: grow Mike, I haven't seen it yet. You have. You 706 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 2: got to see Aaron Rodgers as a backup transitioning into 707 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 2: a starter. I've only covered an MVP, a Super Bowl champion, 708 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 2: so I personally am very intrigued for the better or worse, 709 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 2: for the good moments in the bad of watching a 710 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: young guy move into that position. A Gratitude is a 711 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 2: huge thing in the sport. There's an incredible amount of 712 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 2: gratitude for what Aaron Rodgers has accomplished and also excitement 713 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 2: for what the next chapter holds. 714 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. Well with that, we will 715 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 716 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: As I said, we'll have another episode this week and 717 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: another one in the early portion of next week, looking 718 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: ahead to the draft, trying to take a look at 719 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: the Packers roster, where certain holes are, where certain players 720 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: might be able to fit. All of that, We've got 721 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: it coming for you now that we are back online 722 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: with Packers Unscripted. So thank you for tuning in everybody. 723 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: We will see you next time.