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Speaker 2: It's our two this Tuesday, Dan and the dan Uts
Speaker 2: Dan Patrick Show. Glad to have you on board. We
Speaker 2: recapped all the NBA action last night. If you were
Speaker 2: a betting man, would you bet on the Nuggets coming
Speaker 2: back to beat Minnesota? Probably pretty good odds that you
Speaker 2: would get long odds if you're a betting man. But
Speaker 2: what we saw last night with Minnesota that was impressive
Speaker 2: and the drama was taken out early as they dominate
Speaker 2: that game one oh six to eighty without Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 2: The Knicks take game one forty three for Jalen Brunson. Tonight,
Speaker 2: Calves at the Celtics, that'll be game one. Mavericks at
Speaker 2: the Thunder that will be game one as well. All right, Seeton,
Speaker 2: what's the poll question for hour two? Let's clean up
Speaker 2: our one and then turn her attention to hour two.
Speaker 2: Let's see we have being compared to Michael Jordan. Is
Speaker 2: awesome or a burden? Right now? Fifty six percent of
Speaker 2: the audience say it's a burden, okay, which is so
Speaker 2: odd because it is probably both of those things, but
Speaker 2: it feels way more burdensome than it does awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but our expectation level is raised now because if you
Speaker 2: attach Jordan to anybody, then all of a sudden we
Speaker 2: expect greatness. And Anthony Edwards is just learning how to
Speaker 2: play in the postseason. I mean, it looks like he's
Speaker 2: done a pretty good job and understanding it, not mastered
Speaker 2: it yet. But you know, it took Jordan a while
Speaker 2: to understand what he needed to do and the pieces
Speaker 2: around him. And as I mentioned, I think today is
Speaker 2: the anniversary where the Bulls beat the Cavaliers when poor
Speaker 2: craig Elo he went up, Mike went up, and craig
Speaker 2: Elo came down and Mike was still going up and
Speaker 2: then hit the jumper as the Bulls beat a very
Speaker 2: talented Cleveland team.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Marvin, that's such a great contest. Also, that
Speaker 3: just shows you the greatness of mine. Michael stayed there
Speaker 3: double punk Yeah, ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Craig Elo played good defense, he did. He just he was,
Speaker 2: you know against him that day where Mike just kept
Speaker 2: going and then double double pumped and then hit that
Speaker 2: foul line jumper.
Speaker 4: Yes, Marv, was he known as the Jordan stopper.
Speaker 2: He might have been might have been. I mean, Elo
Speaker 2: was a guy who was going to guard you that
Speaker 2: he was known as a defensive player. But like Gerald Wilkins,
Speaker 2: you didn't want that Jordan Stopper name. You know what
Speaker 2: could go wrong everything? Oh, you're the Jordan stop Like
Speaker 2: you imagine now knowing Michael's makeup, if he's going into
Speaker 2: a game and all of a sudden, Gerald Wilkins is
Speaker 2: there and he's known as the Jordan Stopper, like Mike's
Speaker 2: gonna go, how many do you want me to put
Speaker 2: up on you? How about I put up fifty on you?
Speaker 2: YEAHO zero points?
Speaker 5: That hurts.
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Speaker 2: talk to Brian Winnhorst. We'll get his thoughts on what
Speaker 2: the Lakers are doing. Also, Bill Hanslick is set to
Speaker 2: join us. Bill's a former NBA player. He's a Nuggets
Speaker 2: analyst pre and postgame and spent ten years as a player.
Speaker 2: He's also a coach with the Nuggets as well. He'll
Speaker 2: join us coming up here in a moment and get
Speaker 2: his thoughts on Hol's morale in Denver after what happened
Speaker 2: last night as the series now shifts to Minneapolis. Alrighty, Paul,
Speaker 2: you got odds on the Nuggets coming back?
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you wanted to bet on the Nuggets to
Speaker 6: win the series this morning, according to DraftKings plus four hundred.
Speaker 6: You bet one hundred, you win four hundred. Okay, that's
Speaker 6: a saucy bet, because if you believe in the Nuggets,
Speaker 6: you shouldn't stop believing they could win two on the road. Okay,
Speaker 6: I would That's a likable bet.
Speaker 5: Okay, I wouldn't bet them straight up. Okay, saucy bets Okay.
Speaker 2: Calves and the Celtics once again. The Celtics are favored
Speaker 2: by double digits. They are favored by twelve tonight against
Speaker 2: the Cabs. The MAVs are getting three and a half
Speaker 2: against the thunder. The aforementioned Bill Hanslick joining us on
Speaker 2: short Noticeabilly, thank you for joining us. Altitude Sports TV
Speaker 2: anchor and reporter. How's morale in Denver today?
Speaker 7: Morale? Probably, it's a good thing.
Speaker 8: There's a there's a lot of time between game two
Speaker 8: and and three. They don't play it on Friday night,
Speaker 8: So the nuggetcy that mentally more than well they needed
Speaker 8: physically too, but uh yeah, there they took a whoop
Speaker 8: up last night.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering though, and and maybe it's not fair to
Speaker 2: the Nuggets. It felt like Minnesota cracked the coat a
Speaker 2: little bit on what to do with Joker. You know,
Speaker 2: nas Red guarding him. You don't have Rudy Gobert last night,
Speaker 2: or or maybe we reading too much into one game here.
Speaker 7: Uh no, I mean they they've done a good job
Speaker 7: on them.
Speaker 8: They really you have to start way back in the
Speaker 8: in the backcorn. I think that their whole system against
Speaker 8: the Nuggets is to shorten the shot clock, so they
Speaker 8: pick up full court.
Speaker 7: They do.
Speaker 8: Murray's the primary coming up, although Joker will dribble, dribble
Speaker 8: it up once in a while and they'll mix. They'll
Speaker 8: put McDaniels on them, they'll put Alexander Walker. They've even
Speaker 8: had Anthony Edwards a full court pressure turn them three
Speaker 8: or four times, make the first past difficult. So the
Speaker 8: shot clock is down when it gets the Joker. They're
Speaker 8: doubling him most of the time, fairly clickly first dribble.
Speaker 8: A lot of time, you say, on the pass on
Speaker 8: the paint, you know what's going to happen there, but
Speaker 8: their length has made it really really difficult for Nuggets
Speaker 8: to get any.
Speaker 7: Kind of easy looks.
Speaker 5: Is it fixable?
Speaker 7: Yes, I think a get you got to get the
Speaker 7: ball up quicker. I think b.
Speaker 8: The Nuggets are getting out of their system a little
Speaker 8: bit and that they're trying to do too much one
Speaker 8: on one. You've got to drive and kick, drive and
Speaker 8: kicked till you get a good look.
Speaker 7: So yes, I think they can be better.
Speaker 8: I think if you look on the bright side, what's
Speaker 8: good for the Nuggets, Well, they've played two really good
Speaker 8: single halves of defensive basketball, so they can do that.
Speaker 7: But you need a full game of that.
Speaker 8: And yeah, Minnesota's got one hundred and six both games.
Speaker 8: That's not, you know, world beating. So if your defense
Speaker 8: is a little better and you can straighten out some
Speaker 8: things in offense, he got a chance in these games
Speaker 8: that they've really Minnesota's man handled them.
Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards game reminds you of who.
Speaker 8: Wow, kind of unique Kobe Bryant maybe, and that he
Speaker 8: plays both ends of the court.
Speaker 7: He can get his.
Speaker 8: Shot when he wants to get his shot, willing passer,
Speaker 8: but his physicality along with that athleticism is just tough
Speaker 8: to defend.
Speaker 2: I like that you didn't go all the way to
Speaker 2: the end of the line and say reminds me of
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan. Now you didn't go too far towards I mean,
Speaker 2: you're almost at the end of the line when you
Speaker 2: say Kobe, and he reminds me a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Reggie Miller and I discussed this of Dwayne Wade with
Speaker 2: a better jump shot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that'd be a pretty good analogy.
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, Lee, he you think about him, Dan,
Speaker 8: you go twenty two years old.
Speaker 7: I'm a big believer usually the.
Speaker 8: First three four five years, depending on your age and
Speaker 8: the league, you will get better and then you kind
Speaker 8: of plateau and you keep it, you know, for another
Speaker 8: five years, and then you can begin to decline. Well,
Speaker 8: this guy still got upside and he is. Yeah, he'll
Speaker 8: be in the MVP consideration next year for sure.
Speaker 5: Who does Joker remind you of nobody?
Speaker 8: He's at a unique He's his combination of skill and
Speaker 8: I can't think anybody and I guarded big guy, guarded
Speaker 8: Kareem Elijahuan, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 7: A lot of guys like that.
Speaker 8: But but his ability to see the court or see
Speaker 8: plays before you know. I'll take that back one slight
Speaker 8: little bit, discuss size a little different. Three point Larry Bird.
Speaker 8: Larry could see plays before they happened. And that's what
Speaker 8: I called Dan Nikole Jogic.
Speaker 2: Okay, you you played there for ten years in the eighties.
Speaker 2: The best player that you played against or guarded or
Speaker 2: tried to guard was who Michael Jordan?
Speaker 7: Without a doubt the debate to me, the debate that.
Speaker 8: This guy or Lebron or somebody else is Michael Jordan.
Speaker 7: Uh, just just incredible.
Speaker 2: Do you have any good memories? Are they mostly bad memories?
Speaker 2: When you're guarding Jordan?
Speaker 7: I'd just switch.
Speaker 2: Hell somebody else. But you were guarding centers and what
Speaker 2: are you six seven six eight?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what are you doing guarding Ewing and Kareem
Speaker 2: and Elijah on.
Speaker 7: Well that's a little bit of the crazy coach I had,
Speaker 7: Doug Ball. You know, Doug.
Speaker 8: Doesn't give enough credit for being the original I called
Speaker 8: the original small Ball. I mean, Doug had a philosophy,
Speaker 8: if you can't match up with your centers on their centers,
Speaker 8: if you just do something different, make them so we
Speaker 8: ran like beat the bandits so you know, you all
Speaker 8: go through the zoom, get down the other end and
Speaker 8: try to score real quick and get a good shot
Speaker 8: and then just hope they missed on the other end.
Speaker 2: Bird would always get upset if a white guy guarded him.
Speaker 2: He would even say to a teammate of the guy
Speaker 2: guarding him, I can't believe you guys have a white
Speaker 2: guy guarding me.
Speaker 5: Did he talk trash to you?
Speaker 8: Well, there's a famous podcast by Oh God, I'm bray
Speaker 8: Locking Byron Scott, I think, and he made mentioned to
Speaker 8: me in that, but he got my name wrong. First off,
Speaker 8: take it off. I don't remember that ever happening against
Speaker 8: Larry Bird. But then again, Larry was one of the
Speaker 8: guys I liked the guard because, you know, I averaged
Speaker 8: maybe eight points a game.
Speaker 7: I was the defensive, but when I guarded Berg, I could.
Speaker 8: Run the other way and I get twelve, fifteen, eighteen points.
Speaker 7: I felt like I had a good.
Speaker 5: Game because he wasn't guarding you the way you were
Speaker 5: trying to guard him.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, yeah, well yeah, a yes, and be Larry
Speaker 8: wasn't the fastest guy in the world, so we just.
Speaker 7: Ran the heck out of it.
Speaker 2: Give me the guy that might surprise us. That was great,
Speaker 2: greater than what we may.
Speaker 7: Remember oh over the years.
Speaker 5: Wow that you played against.
Speaker 7: Oh boy Dan, that's a great question, god Lee. I
Speaker 7: mean most of the guys that garnered were just great
Speaker 7: in a sense. I mean Barney injury. David Robinson was such.
Speaker 8: A unique player because his skill level, his speed, his quickness,
Speaker 8: ability to shoot block shots, he played the whole game.
Speaker 7: Yeah, David Robinson.
Speaker 8: You know they won with Duncan, they won titles.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I'm marveled at his ability.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, I know, tough to get
Speaker 2: up after a game like that, literally and figuratively to
Speaker 2: talk about what happened there is the series shifts to Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: But good to catch up with you, Billy, thank you
Speaker 2: for joining.
Speaker 7: Great day. Happy to be on with you, Eddietown. Great show.
Speaker 2: That's Beeny Altitude Sports and he's been an analyst there
Speaker 2: for quite some time and former player and coach with
Speaker 2: the Nuggets. Yeah, Doug Mo had small ball. Now Don
Speaker 2: Nelson had small ball, and that's when you had run TMC.
Speaker 2: But Doug Mo Hansick sixty seven and he was guarding
Speaker 2: the best centers in the history of the game. It's
Speaker 2: just wild though, when you have these coaches who think
Speaker 2: out of the box. And Doug Mo certainly did, Paul
Speaker 2: West had did when he was in college, and.
Speaker 5: Don Nelson certainly did as well. This, Hey, we're going
Speaker 5: to try something different.
Speaker 2: I always love that that you're going to try something unique,
Speaker 2: because now I'm going to force you to try to,
Speaker 2: you know, stop us with what we do so well.
Speaker 2: And uh, Doug Mo was he had some wild outfits too.
Speaker 2: He loved plaid for some reason. Back then coaches had
Speaker 2: plaid plaid slacks. You know. Then Ryles, when Ryles came
Speaker 2: in and Ryle started dressing like you know, he was slick.
Speaker 2: I mean that was Wall Street and you know that
Speaker 2: was the inspiration for Gordon Gecko. But that's when it changed,
Speaker 2: you know, because Red Arbach would be on the sideline
Speaker 2: and have a cigar, and you know, he dressed like,
Speaker 2: you know, he was this maybe a school teacher. But
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, Ryle's started it, and then
Speaker 2: everybody was looking good. Then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: think it was it was Don Nelson who wore like
Speaker 2: a mock turtle neck shirt or a sweater, felt like
Speaker 2: he kind of casualed it down a little bit. And
Speaker 2: remember with the NFL coaches, they wore suit and times,
Speaker 2: Hank Stram wearing his suit and tie. Tom Landry had
Speaker 2: his hat on like they were all Vince Lombardi and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, did somebody And then you
Speaker 2: look at Bill Belichick. You like that guy, you know
Speaker 2: just went to the good will bin and grabbed a
Speaker 2: sweatshirt there where's Lombardi would be out there that white shirt, tie,
Speaker 2: sport coat, have a hat on. It was different. Then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it was like what happened to
Speaker 2: these guys? How they dress or don't care?
Speaker 6: Paually, I'm glad he mentioned David Robinson's greatness. I think
Speaker 6: history is not going to be great to David Robinson's
Speaker 6: career because of the back injury. But before you know,
Speaker 6: his first eight years in the league, he had seasons
Speaker 6: where averaged thirty points a game. He had stevens where
Speaker 6: he averaged thirteen rebounds, He led the league of blocks,
Speaker 6: I mean, not to me, he led the league in
Speaker 6: points one season. He was top three for MVP six
Speaker 6: out of eight years.
Speaker 2: Well, Tim Duncan took away his shine, right, But like
Speaker 2: I think that's why.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but David Robinson's at he.
Speaker 2: Didn't win until Tim came in, and Tim got most
Speaker 2: of the credit, right.
Speaker 6: I think David Robinson as best was a better player
Speaker 6: than Tim Duncan at his peak when he was averaging
Speaker 6: like thirty thirteen and four wall.
Speaker 2: He was a more acrobatic, dynamic, athletic player. Tim was
Speaker 2: just methodical. You knew exact where you're gonna get with him. Now,
Speaker 2: numbers may vary, but you know there'd be a couple
Speaker 2: of turnaround bank shots. He was gonna block a few
Speaker 2: more shots than you think. He would get rebound and
Speaker 2: he would be clutch. I mean that was just how
Speaker 2: he played.
Speaker 3: Yes, Mark and David Robinson might be the most cut
Speaker 3: NBA player who has ever lived.
Speaker 4: Those arms were ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be that tall, to be seven to one.
Speaker 2: And I remember going to the Naval Academy and when
Speaker 2: he was there and I did a story on him,
Speaker 2: and when he walked across campus, it was out of
Speaker 2: a movie because he's got his dress blues on. I mean,
Speaker 2: he looked spectacular. All of a sudden, you see all
Speaker 2: these like six foot cadets and then you got a
Speaker 2: seven footer walking over and and what a gentleman, true gentleman,
Speaker 2: never had negative words to say. There are there's times
Speaker 2: when I wish he was a little more aggressive like
Speaker 2: that he was taking it to people. He was just
Speaker 2: a nice person who happened to be a great basketball player.
Speaker 5: All right, we'll get some phone calls.
Speaker 2: Brian Windhorse, Wendy Jonas coming up here, Cavs Celtic's game
Speaker 2: one tonight, Mavericks at the Thunder. We take a break.
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Speaker 2: Brian Winhorse of the Mothership, senior NBA writer, He was
Speaker 2: in the Garden last night. How would you compare that atmosphere?
Speaker 2: People talk about the Garden the yester year of the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: How would you rank what you heard last night with
Speaker 2: other venues here in the last few years that you've covered.
Speaker 10: The Garden fans are very well educated. They have a
Speaker 10: appreciation for the nuance of the game. You know, it's like,
Speaker 10: I'll get criticized for this, but it's like saying, who's
Speaker 10: got the best burger or who's got the best steak.
Speaker 10: You can get a great steak all across the world.
Speaker 10: You know a bad steak when you see it. You
Speaker 10: know a good steak when you see it. There's a
Speaker 10: lot of venues that you go to where it's a
Speaker 10: tremendous atmosphere. In those venues where the Garden crowd is different.
Speaker 10: Is there a more educated crowd. They applaud things that
Speaker 10: are a little that are higher level. The basketball fans
Speaker 10: there sort of all have graduate degrees, if you will,
Speaker 10: And you know, but they love Jalen Brunson so much
Speaker 10: They've been waiting for a player like this for so long,
Speaker 10: and I think it's really cool that they bring back it.
Speaker 10: So at every time out Dan in the playoffs, they
Speaker 10: do two things. At the Garden. They show a celebrity
Speaker 10: and there's you know, dozens to choose from. So first
Speaker 10: they'll show a celebrity, you know, Ben Stiller, Tracy Morgan,
Speaker 10: I don't remember who was all there last night. And
Speaker 10: then they'll show in the playoffs a Nick Great, you know,
Speaker 10: Wolf Frasier, John Starks, Larry Johnson. And that's an awesome thing.
Speaker 10: It's like, you know, the met Galla was going on
Speaker 10: here in New York last night, but the place to
Speaker 10: be was the Garden, and so the celebrity, the Nick's greats.
Speaker 10: It was a great atmosphere. But I don't want to
Speaker 10: fall into the trap of saying, oh my god, you
Speaker 10: can't get you can't get a great burger outside me,
Speaker 10: you can't get good pizza outside Manhattan or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember being in there the first time
Speaker 2: when Bernard King was playing against the Celtics, and that
Speaker 2: environment was wonderful because there was you know, truly hated
Speaker 2: rival there. But I'm just curious because everything was better
Speaker 2: back when we were younger, and so I always want
Speaker 2: to be fair and go okay, you know, the garden
Speaker 2: is alive. I just remember it felt different back then.
Speaker 10: It's a lot nicer now since they renovated at about
Speaker 10: ten years ago. When I first went there my first
Speaker 10: NBA season twenty one years ago, you know, hear about
Speaker 10: the world's most famous arena, it was kind of a dump.
Speaker 10: I mean, it's way nicer now, way way nicer now. Look,
Speaker 10: I always like going there. It's a great appa fear.
Speaker 10: There's a buzz outside of it. And look right now
Speaker 10: in the city, the Rangers are playing every other night.
Speaker 10: The Knicks are playing every other night. Tonight we got
Speaker 10: the Rangers are going to go too. Oh. It's a
Speaker 10: great time to be in the city because I used
Speaker 10: to live here, and when I lived here, it was
Speaker 10: like the bottom of New York sports. Even the Yankees
Speaker 10: were not even getting it done. When I was here,
Speaker 10: there was a bunch of Yankees in the building. Last night,
Speaker 10: No Mets were honored.
Speaker 5: How'd the refs do last night?
Speaker 10: I'm one of these guys who I feel like defends referees.
Speaker 10: I think one of the few in the media. My
Speaker 10: father was a referee. I tried to be a referee
Speaker 10: when I was a kid, and I hated it because
Speaker 10: of how hard it was and how you could never win.
Speaker 10: And so I'm inclined to defend them. And I'm one
Speaker 10: of these people that says ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 10: time the game is not decided by officiating. I really
Speaker 10: it drives me crazy when these teams blame like long
Speaker 10: term officiating. I've honestly never really felt the same way
Speaker 10: about Darryl Moury since he released that dossier that he
Speaker 10: had when he was in Houston and said thirteen months ago,
Speaker 10: in the third quarter, we got screwed and therefore we
Speaker 10: should win tonight's game. As an educated man that Darryl is,
Speaker 10: it drives me crazy that he leans on that clutch,
Speaker 10: that crutch. Having said all of that, this was a
Speaker 10: situation where the referees changed the outcome of the game.
Speaker 10: And to me, what seems to me is that everybody's
Speaker 10: really reacting to the moving screen call. Of course you
Speaker 10: shouldn't call it there. However, by the letter of the law,
Speaker 10: it was an accurate call, and I don't think when
Speaker 10: the two minute report comes out today, I don't think
Speaker 10: they're going to say it was an incorrect call. To
Speaker 10: me that the much much more impactful call was the
Speaker 10: kicked ball. And the reason is because the Pacers had
Speaker 10: generated a turnover, and if you watch the replay, it
Speaker 10: was going to be it is a tie game with
Speaker 10: forty seconds left, Okay, there's gonna be a three on
Speaker 10: one break. The Knicks were either going to foul where
Speaker 10: it could have been a take foul and they could
Speaker 10: have gotten a three point play, or they were gonna
Speaker 10: go a layup and they were gonna be down to
Speaker 10: they were gonna be calling time out and the guard
Speaker 10: was gonna be dead. Instead, the steal is called the
Speaker 10: kicked ball. It's not reviewable. The Knicks come out hit
Speaker 10: a three pointer, puts them up by three with thirty
Speaker 10: seconds left. Now we have a five point five point
Speaker 10: swing in a tie game and a tie playoff game
Speaker 10: in the last forty seconds. That's the call. And I
Speaker 10: know they at a bad angle and I know it's
Speaker 10: not reviewable. That's the call that Zach Zaraba, who happens
Speaker 10: to be one of the top three officials in the
Speaker 10: league in my opinion, has to come out and say
Speaker 10: to the reporters after the game. We got it wrong.
Speaker 10: They didn't get the moving screen call wrong. The spirit
Speaker 10: of the call was wrong. That call was called theoretically correctly.
Speaker 10: The kickball is pill to swallow if you're a pacer fan.
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to I don't want to slow down
Speaker 2: games anymore than they've already been slowed down. But I
Speaker 2: want to get the call right if we have the
Speaker 2: technology to get it right. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's a push in the offseason, usually it takes something
Speaker 2: really dramatic where we go, now, we got to change that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is that because the Knicks
Speaker 2: didn't lose the game, but you got a solution.
Speaker 5: Nope.
Speaker 10: You know. I'm I'm a bit of an English football fan,
Speaker 10: and over there they have this thing called VR, which
Speaker 10: is their instant replay. And you want to start a
Speaker 10: fight in a pub, you bring up VR. It's an
Speaker 10: extraordinarily controversial tactic and they work. It works super fast
Speaker 10: over there. Sometimes they'll let the soccer game play on
Speaker 10: and then they'll go back two three minutes and say, yeah,
Speaker 10: we reviewed that, we're gonna give a guy penalty kick.
Speaker 10: It's not common, but that happens. They have have a
Speaker 10: much much better system, and it's still coaches pull their
Speaker 10: hair out over it, and so it's I don't think
Speaker 10: there is a way to fix it. I know that
Speaker 10: this year has been as bad as ever because I
Speaker 10: have seen more calls overturned or upheld where I don't understand,
Speaker 10: and they have taken so much time and I don't
Speaker 10: have an answer. What I do know is this, This
Speaker 10: is the best we have in basketball. The NBA referees
Speaker 10: are the best we have. You can say that, I
Speaker 10: don't mean you didn't, but somebody can say that they stink.
Speaker 10: Somebody can say that they're awful. Somebody can say that
Speaker 10: this or that. Watch international basketball, watch college basketball. Can
Speaker 10: they be better? Should they be better? Yes? This is
Speaker 10: the best we got, So you're gonna have to live
Speaker 10: with it.
Speaker 2: Is Brian Windhorst or the Mothership ESPN senior NBA writer
Speaker 2: at the Garden last night. Meanwhile in Denver, Denver gets
Speaker 2: blown out. But I'm curious. Now we have to wait
Speaker 2: until Friday for Game three, plenty of time for the
Speaker 2: home office to review what Jamal Murray did. How do
Speaker 2: you think they're going to view that with him throwing
Speaker 2: something on the floor.
Speaker 10: I'd never say anything like it. First off, he is
Speaker 10: one hundred percent inexcusably out of line there, has completely
Speaker 10: lost his composure because he's getting exploited by the Timberwolves.
Speaker 10: The Timberwolves watched the last series, saw that his calf
Speaker 10: injury was bothering him, at which Michael Malone has admitted,
Speaker 10: and they are exploiting him. He is getting taken advantage
Speaker 10: of on the court. He hates it, and it's leading
Speaker 10: him to make some wild decisions. He throws a towel,
Speaker 10: and of course a towel, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 10: But she can't throw a towel at the official. That's
Speaker 10: what he's doing. He throws a towel at the official.
Speaker 10: It comes up short. When he realizes that it's hard
Speaker 10: to throw a towel twenty feet, he picks up something
Speaker 10: heavier and flings it at the official. Now the NBA
Speaker 10: is going to interview him and he may give some answer.
Speaker 10: He's throwing that at the officials. So before we even
Speaker 10: talk about what the consequences are of throwing something wet
Speaker 10: and bulky like that out on a court, know that
Speaker 10: he was throwing an object a heavy object at an
Speaker 10: official that's number one, then number two. It makes it
Speaker 10: onto the court and is a terrible hazard. I know
Speaker 10: that people probably don't understand what this heating pad is.
Speaker 10: I know this because I've never seen one of these,
Speaker 10: maybe outside of my grandmother's you know, bedroom in nineteen
Speaker 10: eighty four. The NBA is technology driven, as it is,
Speaker 10: uses like nineteen fifties technology for these heating pads. They
Speaker 10: have these canisters on the bench that use steam heat
Speaker 10: to heat these these sort of padded, you know, maybe
Speaker 10: inch thick little pads, and then when the players come
Speaker 10: off the court, they'd use towels to wrap it around
Speaker 10: their backs and their legs to stay warm. Why they
Speaker 10: don't use any something more modern, I don't know, but
Speaker 10: they're but they're big, wet and heavy, and that could
Speaker 10: have gotten under somebody's foot and cause an ankle injury
Speaker 10: or knee injury, growing injury. Absolutely inexcusable and completely out
Speaker 10: of line for him to do it. The crazy thing
Speaker 10: is now, I don't I don't blame the refs stand
Speaker 10: for not calling it. They got their backs turned. It's
Speaker 10: coming from the end of the bench. They don't know
Speaker 10: where that came from. For all they know, it was
Speaker 10: a it was an accident. You know, it's a it's
Speaker 10: a it's accoutrement from the bench. You know, stuff happens.
Speaker 10: But after the game they were interviewed and Mark Davis,
Speaker 10: the lead official who's was the target of that of
Speaker 10: those objects, said, if we had seen it, it would
Speaker 10: have been a technical. And the reporter follows up, a technical,
Speaker 10: not an ejection. He says, no, a technical, and so
Speaker 10: that makes me wonder, like if that's the rule. Frankly,
Speaker 10: I haven't seen anything that ever thrown on the court
Speaker 10: by a player. I've seen many many players throw things
Speaker 10: off the court, and that's an automatic ejection. Whether you
Speaker 10: throw a piece of gum, or you throw the basketball,
Speaker 10: or you throw your assistant coach. Anything in the stands
Speaker 10: is automatic ejection from the from the stands onto the court.
Speaker 10: As a player. I don't think there's clear precedent, but
Speaker 10: the league is going to have a serious thing to
Speaker 10: deal with here, if more than anything else, to protect
Speaker 10: its referees.
Speaker 2: I brought this up with Dave mcmahaman where I said,
Speaker 2: you know, Lebron does that podcast with JJ Reddick JJ,
Speaker 2: maybe interviewing with Charlotte I don't know if he already has.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, could you see where Lebron JJ
Speaker 2: maybe he's the head coach of the Lakers, And Dave goes, yes,
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the candidates.
Speaker 5: Like, how serious is this?
Speaker 2: I I kind of brought it up as just oh, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe would would they discuss being the head coach of
Speaker 2: the Lakers?
Speaker 10: Well, a couple of things. First off, the Lakers have
Speaker 10: very few good candidates for the job. Not that JJ
Speaker 10: would be a bad candidate, but they have very few
Speaker 10: good candidates. There's not that many coaches available right now
Speaker 10: who are experienced and proven and ready to come to
Speaker 10: Los Angeles. You can say a name Mike, Mike Buttenholzer.
Speaker 10: But before you assume that a guy like Mike Bututenholzer
Speaker 10: is going to go to the Lakers, you need to
Speaker 10: understand that the Lakers don't pay They paid Phil Jackson
Speaker 10: an eight figure salary. They did it kicking and screaming,
Speaker 10: and he was engaged to one of the owners at
Speaker 10: the time and had won by the time they paid
Speaker 10: it to him, had won numerous championships. I'm not sure
Speaker 10: what year they gave it to him. They have been
Speaker 10: outbid for a couple of years ago, tylu and Monty
Speaker 10: Williams turned him down because they didn't offer it. I mean,
Speaker 10: I can't say for exactly why, but they're low ball
Speaker 10: contract offer were part of it. And so if you
Speaker 10: just assume that there's going to be a coach who
Speaker 10: wants to go in there, like a Mike Buttenholzer, the
Speaker 10: going right for an the league coach now is eight
Speaker 10: figures a year, and the Lakers, I'm not sure they're
Speaker 10: willing to pay that. That's number one. Maybe they are,
Speaker 10: but that's number one. Number two. This is the toughest
Speaker 10: one of the toughest situations to coach the league. You
Speaker 10: have aging stars, which is one toughest thing to coach
Speaker 10: in sports. You have a roster that should get better.
Speaker 10: They have some draft assets, but you really don't know
Speaker 10: how much you can get better. Man, look at the
Speaker 10: Western Conference. Dan. I was talking the other day to
Speaker 10: a coaching candidate who's going to be a candidate for
Speaker 10: some of these jobs, and he was saying to me,
Speaker 10: is like, I'm kind of waiting for an East coach
Speaker 10: Eastern Conference job because these Western Conference jobs. I mean,
Speaker 10: look at the Lakers, which which of the teams in
Speaker 10: front of them, do you think are coming backwards? And
Speaker 10: which look at behind them? They got the rockets breathing
Speaker 10: down their neck, the spurs are going to be coming up.
Speaker 10: Like it's going to be a really hard job. What
Speaker 10: I would say to JJ is, here's gonna think, I
Speaker 10: want to say real quick. Lebron doesn't get involved in
Speaker 10: coaching hires for years, for many many coaches. He's always
Speaker 10: taken a distance, in fact, and I can't taste for
Speaker 10: every candidate, but he generally has a rule, generally okay,
Speaker 10: that he won't engage with the candidate after the coach
Speaker 10: has been hired. Of course he'll have a conversation with
Speaker 10: the coach. Generally he wants to stay out of it.
Speaker 10: He doesn't want it on his hands. I know there's
Speaker 10: this belief that Lebron hires and fires all these coaches,
Speaker 10: and maybe he does like hurt coaches because he sort
Speaker 10: of kills him with a thousand paper cuts. But Lebron
Speaker 10: is very sensitive to that and he does not want
Speaker 10: to be involved in that. So it's not going to
Speaker 10: be like he's going to go into Rob Lincoln say hey,
Speaker 10: I'm having a great time with JJ. You should hire him.
Speaker 10: That's just not reality. But what I would say to
Speaker 10: JJ if he asked my opinion, which he won't, is
Speaker 10: that Lebron's friendships in the NBA, for the most part,
Speaker 10: tend to fall out as quick as they start. There
Speaker 10: is a long line of former teammates that he was
Speaker 10: buddy buddies with that when it's over, are gone. The
Speaker 10: true close people in his life have been close people
Speaker 10: in his life for fifteen or twenty years. So just
Speaker 10: because anybody, and I'm not just saying JJ, just because
Speaker 10: Jim Smith is having a great time hanging out with
Speaker 10: Lebron in May doesn't mean it would be a great
Speaker 10: time by December. That's what I would say, just in
Speaker 10: general about all relationships with him in the NBA.
Speaker 5: I know you're busy. Thanks for joining us as always.
Speaker 10: Thanks you Dan, Thank you Dandy.
Speaker 2: That's Brian Windhors, ESPN Senior NBA writer. He always gives
Speaker 2: you something that you haven't heard. That's what I'd love
Speaker 2: about having him on, and he he's got you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's you got to have the connect the dots,
Speaker 2: and you know, all of a sudden you're thinking, all right,
Speaker 2: don't buy into that just because he's friends with JJ
Speaker 2: Reddick and he's right, Hey, Lebron loves you, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Lebron doesn't love you, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're on another team.
Speaker 3: Yes, Mark, When I was at the Mothership, I heard
Speaker 3: from an insider they were like, oh, you know who's
Speaker 3: Lebron loyal to?
Speaker 4: He was like, Acron, Okay, that's all he said.
Speaker 3: He's like, if you know, if you knew him before
Speaker 3: he was Lebron James, you're good. He's like other than that, huh,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe not.
Speaker 5: We'll take a break.
Speaker 2: We'll get some phone calls here the start of Shoho Tani.
Speaker 2: I don't know if many of us thought he would
Speaker 2: start out like this, considering the other things that he's
Speaker 2: gone through, including off season surgery and the interpreter back.
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Speaker 1: It sounded like a suit John.
Speaker 2: That's courtesy a Spectrum Sportsnet. I've said this before. There
Speaker 2: are certain players. When the ball hits the bat, it
Speaker 2: sounds different and shoheo Tani is one of those players
Speaker 2: as a long home run Again, he's got four home
Speaker 2: runs in the last three games, and he leads the
Speaker 2: majors with eleven. So this is the eighth time in
Speaker 2: his career he's homered in three consecutive games. You look
Speaker 2: at his first thirty six games played, and if I
Speaker 2: compare this with thirty six games in previous season, starting
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen twenty twenty one, he had ten home runs.
Speaker 2: Then he had eight in twenty twenty two, eight and
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Here he is with eleven. Batting average wise,
Speaker 2: he's hitting three seventy. I mean, it's so far away
Speaker 2: from his previous like two ninety three to two ninety seven.
Speaker 2: And supposedly, you know, a bad elbow, surgically repaired elbow
Speaker 2: slugging a oh my goodness. On base percentage is eleven hundred.
Speaker 2: He's got one hundred and three total bases. We weren't
Speaker 2: even sure if he was going to play this year
Speaker 2: or how limited he would be. We knew he couldn't pitch.
Speaker 2: But once again, when you hear the ball go off
Speaker 2: his bat, he doesn't get many of those. It just
Speaker 2: barely trickled over the wall, he hits them, he gets them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, with how good he's doing and the fact that,
Speaker 6: you know, if you look back at the releases, he
Speaker 6: did not have Tommy John surgery. He had a new
Speaker 6: elbow procedure, which, yeah, this is great sign that you
Speaker 6: could still play like this. Is there any chance that
Speaker 6: they would consider not having him move back to a
Speaker 6: pitching role and just be the best hitter in baseball
Speaker 6: long term?
Speaker 2: Well, you're paying for the pitching part of this as well.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the contract stipulates. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he has to make a certain number of starts
Speaker 2: or they basically just said, all right, here's the salary.
Speaker 2: We're giving you seven hundred million dollars. I would like
Speaker 2: to have the pitching part of this as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's funny though, because the didn't they signed the contract
Speaker 2: when the pitching part was out of the equation, Like,
Speaker 2: wasn't he already hurt and then he signed this monster deal.
Speaker 5: Yes, they knew he was not pitching this year. They
Speaker 5: did know that.
Speaker 2: But I would think for that kind of money, i'd
Speaker 2: like to get a couple of starts on the mound,
Speaker 2: but I'd like to continue that two way player.
Speaker 6: I guess I'm just being cautious here. You know, like,
Speaker 6: if you're the Dodgers, you could afford with your staff
Speaker 6: and your depth to let him just be the best
Speaker 6: hitter in baseball or one of the best. And you know,
Speaker 6: the pitching. If you put him in the rotation he
Speaker 6: pitches twenty starts next year. Now you're risking the hitting
Speaker 6: again if he has another elbow issue.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's just hitting worth that kind
Speaker 2: of contract there. Like his numbers, are they going to
Speaker 2: be crazy numbers? Are they going to be just really
Speaker 2: good numbers? Now with the Dodgers, it's about winning, it's
Speaker 2: not you know, Mookie Betts has better odds to win
Speaker 2: the MVP right now. You might be surprised at that,
Speaker 2: a lot better odds than Otani. This according to DraftKings.
Speaker 2: So it's muki Otani, Ronald Acunya Junior, and Elie Dela
Speaker 2: Cruz of the Reds. That's it for MVP in the
Speaker 2: national lane.
Speaker 3: Yes, Marph, what more does Otani need to do in
Speaker 3: order to be like a first ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 4: Does he need maybe another three or four great years?
Speaker 5: Well, you gotta win.
Speaker 2: I mean that always helps, but you know, depending on
Speaker 2: how many MVPs he gets, I mean, not considered the
Speaker 2: best player on his own team. Mooki is, at least
Speaker 2: according to MVP odds. So is he going to be
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer? Yeah, I guess, But I would
Speaker 2: think for that amount of money, I should be able
Speaker 2: to get more out of him.
Speaker 5: You were expecting more. I don't think it's.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's see how this goes hitting wise, maybe we
Speaker 2: don't have you pitch the following year. I would be
Speaker 2: surprised at that. But these are I mean, Mike Troup's
Speaker 2: got ten home runs I believe, and then he got hurt,
Speaker 2: but nine were solo home runs, so he was hitting
Speaker 2: home runs and usually has a higher batting average than
Speaker 2: sho Hey Otani. But yeah, I would say winning chance,
Speaker 2: you know, performing on a big stage that goes a
Speaker 2: long way. Because we've we've waited to see Otani in
Speaker 2: these situations, just like we've waited for Mike Troup. Let
Speaker 2: me see get a couple of phone calls in here.
Speaker 2: Uh Joe and Orlando, Hey Joe, thanks for holding What.
Speaker 5: Do you have for me?
Speaker 11: Good moarning fellows. I just got a quick question pretty
Speaker 11: dam watching Jalen Brentford's game from this series and the last.
Speaker 11: He just gets to the paint and he still scores.
Speaker 11: And I just have a question. Has there been a
Speaker 11: six to two or smaller guards that's an inside out
Speaker 11: playing with vices the guys that are more outside inside.
Speaker 11: I haven't seen somebody dominate the inside game at his
Speaker 11: height since maybe I was sent.
Speaker 2: Uh, Derrick Rose wasn't a great shooter. Uh, he got
Speaker 2: in the paint. He was great in the paint. Uh,
Speaker 2: d Wade, but d Wade's a little bit taller. He
Speaker 2: got into the paint. Steve Nash could get in the paint.
Speaker 2: I mean he could go inside out Steph Curry to
Speaker 2: a certain degree, but you know his he makes his
Speaker 2: living out on the edge.
Speaker 5: Isaiah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know with Brunson, you don't look at
Speaker 2: him and go he does this really well. You know,
Speaker 2: it's not like where you go, Oh my god, you
Speaker 2: got to take that away from him. I was just surprised.
Speaker 2: I would have double teamed him as much as possible.
Speaker 2: Now I knew the Vincenzo was hitting his shots in
Speaker 2: the second half, but I got to do something to
Speaker 2: disrupt if he gets into a rhythm.
Speaker 5: It's like pictures.
Speaker 2: How many times do you see a pitcher At least
Speaker 2: this used to be when they went past five innings.
Speaker 2: They got stronger as the game went on. The players
Speaker 2: that get into their rhythm, they become better, They become
Speaker 2: stronger as the game goes on. Look at Brunson in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. He's averaging seventeen points a game in
Speaker 2: the postseason. In the fourth quarter, you're letting him get
Speaker 2: to his spots, and then he takes advantage of that.
Speaker 2: He makes his free throws. He's not afraid of contact,
Speaker 2: and he's He's a better version of Chris Paul from
Speaker 2: the standpoint of scoring. Chris Paul wasn't athletically gifted, but
Speaker 2: he always seemed to find his spots there. Jalen Bruns
Speaker 2: is a better offensive minded Chris Paul in my opinion,
Speaker 2: and he plays the angles. He understands, you know, what
Speaker 2: he can and can't do. It doesn't seem like he
Speaker 2: gets out of who he is now. Josh Hart. Josh
Speaker 2: Hart gets outside of his comfort zone occasionally where you're going, Josh,
Speaker 2: slow down, you got one speed.
Speaker 5: Tim Legler will join us, coming up.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, yes, good shot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes you do that with Josh Hart.
Speaker 2: Josh no no oh good, all right, good shot, good shot.
Speaker 2: Final hour on the way. Tim Legler from the Mothership
Speaker 2: will stop by