WEBVTT - Hour 2 – Bill Hanzlik, Brian Windhorst

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>It's our two this Tuesday, Dan and the dan Uts

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Patrick Show. Glad to have you on board. We

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<v Speaker 2>recapped all the NBA action last night. If you were

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<v Speaker 2>a betting man, would you bet on the Nuggets coming

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<v Speaker 2>back to beat Minnesota? Probably pretty good odds that you

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<v Speaker 2>would get long odds if you're a betting man. But

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw last night with Minnesota that was impressive

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<v Speaker 2>and the drama was taken out early as they dominate

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<v Speaker 2>that game one oh six to eighty without Rudy Gobert.

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<v Speaker 2>The Knicks take game one forty three for Jalen Brunson. Tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>Calves at the Celtics, that'll be game one. Mavericks at

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<v Speaker 2>the Thunder that will be game one as well. All right, Seeton,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the poll question for hour two? Let's clean up

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<v Speaker 2>our one and then turn her attention to hour two.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see we have being compared to Michael Jordan. Is

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<v Speaker 2>awesome or a burden? Right now? Fifty six percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the audience say it's a burden, okay, which is so

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<v Speaker 2>odd because it is probably both of those things, but

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<v Speaker 2>it feels way more burdensome than it does awesome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but our expectation level is raised now because if you

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<v Speaker 2>attach Jordan to anybody, then all of a sudden we

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<v Speaker 2>expect greatness. And Anthony Edwards is just learning how to

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<v Speaker 2>play in the postseason. I mean, it looks like he's

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<v Speaker 2>done a pretty good job and understanding it, not mastered

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<v Speaker 2>it yet. But you know, it took Jordan a while

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<v Speaker 2>to understand what he needed to do and the pieces

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<v Speaker 2>around him. And as I mentioned, I think today is

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<v Speaker 2>the anniversary where the Bulls beat the Cavaliers when poor

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<v Speaker 2>craig Elo he went up, Mike went up, and craig

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<v Speaker 2>Elo came down and Mike was still going up and

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<v Speaker 2>then hit the jumper as the Bulls beat a very

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<v Speaker 2>talented Cleveland team.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, Marvin, that's such a great contest. Also, that

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<v Speaker 3>just shows you the greatness of mine. Michael stayed there

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<v Speaker 3>double punk Yeah, ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Craig Elo played good defense, he did. He just he was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know against him that day where Mike just kept

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<v Speaker 2>going and then double double pumped and then hit that

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<v Speaker 2>foul line jumper.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Marv, was he known as the Jordan stopper.

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<v Speaker 2>He might have been might have been. I mean, Elo

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<v Speaker 2>was a guy who was going to guard you that

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<v Speaker 2>he was known as a defensive player. But like Gerald Wilkins,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't want that Jordan Stopper name. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>could go wrong everything? Oh, you're the Jordan stop Like

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine now knowing Michael's makeup, if he's going into

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<v Speaker 2>a game and all of a sudden, Gerald Wilkins is

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<v Speaker 2>there and he's known as the Jordan Stopper, like Mike's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go, how many do you want me to put

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<v Speaker 2>up on you? How about I put up fifty on you?

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<v Speaker 2>YEAHO zero points?

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<v Speaker 5>That hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America,

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<v Speaker 2>the official trading cards of the program. Coming up, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Brian Winnhorst. We'll get his thoughts on what

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakers are doing. Also, Bill Hanslick is set to

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<v Speaker 2>join us. Bill's a former NBA player. He's a Nuggets

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<v Speaker 2>analyst pre and postgame and spent ten years as a player.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also a coach with the Nuggets as well. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>join us coming up here in a moment and get

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<v Speaker 2>his thoughts on Hol's morale in Denver after what happened

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<v Speaker 2>last night as the series now shifts to Minneapolis. Alrighty, Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>you got odds on the Nuggets coming back?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, if you wanted to bet on the Nuggets to

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<v Speaker 6>win the series this morning, according to DraftKings plus four hundred.

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<v Speaker 6>You bet one hundred, you win four hundred. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 6>a saucy bet, because if you believe in the Nuggets,

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<v Speaker 6>you shouldn't stop believing they could win two on the road. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>I would That's a likable bet.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I wouldn't bet them straight up. Okay, saucy bets Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Calves and the Celtics once again. The Celtics are favored

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<v Speaker 2>by double digits. They are favored by twelve tonight against

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<v Speaker 2>the Cabs. The MAVs are getting three and a half

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<v Speaker 2>against the thunder. The aforementioned Bill Hanslick joining us on

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<v Speaker 2>short Noticeabilly, thank you for joining us. Altitude Sports TV

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<v Speaker 2>anchor and reporter. How's morale in Denver today?

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<v Speaker 7>Morale? Probably, it's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 8>There's a there's a lot of time between game two

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<v Speaker 8>and and three. They don't play it on Friday night,

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<v Speaker 8>So the nuggetcy that mentally more than well they needed

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<v Speaker 8>physically too, but uh yeah, there they took a whoop

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<v Speaker 8>up last night.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering though, and and maybe it's not fair to

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<v Speaker 2>the Nuggets. It felt like Minnesota cracked the coat a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit on what to do with Joker. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>nas Red guarding him. You don't have Rudy Gobert last night,

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<v Speaker 2>or or maybe we reading too much into one game here.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh no, I mean they they've done a good job

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<v Speaker 7>on them.

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<v Speaker 8>They really you have to start way back in the

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<v Speaker 8>in the backcorn. I think that their whole system against

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<v Speaker 8>the Nuggets is to shorten the shot clock, so they

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<v Speaker 8>pick up full court.

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<v Speaker 7>They do.

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<v Speaker 8>Murray's the primary coming up, although Joker will dribble, dribble

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<v Speaker 8>it up once in a while and they'll mix. They'll

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<v Speaker 8>put McDaniels on them, they'll put Alexander Walker. They've even

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<v Speaker 8>had Anthony Edwards a full court pressure turn them three

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<v Speaker 8>or four times, make the first past difficult. So the

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<v Speaker 8>shot clock is down when it gets the Joker. They're

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<v Speaker 8>doubling him most of the time, fairly clickly first dribble.

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<v Speaker 8>A lot of time, you say, on the pass on

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<v Speaker 8>the paint, you know what's going to happen there, but

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<v Speaker 8>their length has made it really really difficult for Nuggets

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<v Speaker 8>to get any.

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<v Speaker 7>Kind of easy looks.

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<v Speaker 5>Is it fixable?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I think a get you got to get the

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<v Speaker 7>ball up quicker. I think b.

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<v Speaker 8>The Nuggets are getting out of their system a little

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<v Speaker 8>bit and that they're trying to do too much one

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<v Speaker 8>on one. You've got to drive and kick, drive and

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<v Speaker 8>kicked till you get a good look.

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<v Speaker 7>So yes, I think they can be better.

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<v Speaker 8>I think if you look on the bright side, what's

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<v Speaker 8>good for the Nuggets, Well, they've played two really good

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<v Speaker 8>single halves of defensive basketball, so they can do that.

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<v Speaker 7>But you need a full game of that.

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<v Speaker 8>And yeah, Minnesota's got one hundred and six both games.

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<v Speaker 8>That's not, you know, world beating. So if your defense

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<v Speaker 8>is a little better and you can straighten out some

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<v Speaker 8>things in offense, he got a chance in these games

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<v Speaker 8>that they've really Minnesota's man handled them.

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<v Speaker 5>Anthony Edwards game reminds you of who.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow, kind of unique Kobe Bryant maybe, and that he

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<v Speaker 8>plays both ends of the court.

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<v Speaker 7>He can get his.

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<v Speaker 8>Shot when he wants to get his shot, willing passer,

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<v Speaker 8>but his physicality along with that athleticism is just tough

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<v Speaker 8>to defend.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that you didn't go all the way to

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the line and say reminds me of

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jordan. Now you didn't go too far towards I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're almost at the end of the line when you

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<v Speaker 2>say Kobe, and he reminds me a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Reggie Miller and I discussed this of Dwayne Wade with

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<v Speaker 2>a better jump shot.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's that'd be a pretty good analogy.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, yeah, Lee, he you think about him, Dan,

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<v Speaker 8>you go twenty two years old.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a big believer usually the.

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<v Speaker 8>First three four five years, depending on your age and

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<v Speaker 8>the league, you will get better and then you kind

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<v Speaker 8>of plateau and you keep it, you know, for another

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<v Speaker 8>five years, and then you can begin to decline. Well,

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<v Speaker 8>this guy still got upside and he is. Yeah, he'll

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<v Speaker 8>be in the MVP consideration next year for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Who does Joker remind you of nobody?

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<v Speaker 8>He's at a unique He's his combination of skill and

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<v Speaker 8>I can't think anybody and I guarded big guy, guarded

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<v Speaker 8>Kareem Elijahuan, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing.

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<v Speaker 7>A lot of guys like that.

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<v Speaker 8>But but his ability to see the court or see

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<v Speaker 8>plays before you know. I'll take that back one slight

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<v Speaker 8>little bit, discuss size a little different. Three point Larry Bird.

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<v Speaker 8>Larry could see plays before they happened. And that's what

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<v Speaker 8>I called Dan Nikole Jogic.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you you played there for ten years in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>The best player that you played against or guarded or

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<v Speaker 2>tried to guard was who Michael Jordan?

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<v Speaker 7>Without a doubt the debate to me, the debate that.

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<v Speaker 8>This guy or Lebron or somebody else is Michael Jordan.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, just just incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any good memories? Are they mostly bad memories?

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<v Speaker 2>When you're guarding Jordan?

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<v Speaker 7>I'd just switch.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell somebody else. But you were guarding centers and what

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<v Speaker 2>are you six seven six eight?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, what are you doing guarding Ewing and Kareem

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<v Speaker 2>and Elijah on.

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<v Speaker 7>Well that's a little bit of the crazy coach I had,

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<v Speaker 7>Doug Ball. You know, Doug.

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<v Speaker 8>Doesn't give enough credit for being the original I called

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<v Speaker 8>the original small Ball. I mean, Doug had a philosophy,

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<v Speaker 8>if you can't match up with your centers on their centers,

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<v Speaker 8>if you just do something different, make them so we

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<v Speaker 8>ran like beat the bandits so you know, you all

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<v Speaker 8>go through the zoom, get down the other end and

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<v Speaker 8>try to score real quick and get a good shot

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<v Speaker 8>and then just hope they missed on the other end.

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<v Speaker 2>Bird would always get upset if a white guy guarded him.

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<v Speaker 2>He would even say to a teammate of the guy

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<v Speaker 2>guarding him, I can't believe you guys have a white

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<v Speaker 2>guy guarding me.

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<v Speaker 5>Did he talk trash to you?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, there's a famous podcast by Oh God, I'm bray

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<v Speaker 8>Locking Byron Scott, I think, and he made mentioned to

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<v Speaker 8>me in that, but he got my name wrong. First off,

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<v Speaker 8>take it off. I don't remember that ever happening against

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<v Speaker 8>Larry Bird. But then again, Larry was one of the

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<v Speaker 8>guys I liked the guard because, you know, I averaged

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<v Speaker 8>maybe eight points a game.

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<v Speaker 7>I was the defensive, but when I guarded Berg, I could.

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<v Speaker 8>Run the other way and I get twelve, fifteen, eighteen points.

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<v Speaker 7>I felt like I had a good.

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<v Speaker 5>Game because he wasn't guarding you the way you were

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<v Speaker 5>trying to guard him.

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<v Speaker 8>Well yeah, yeah, well yeah, a yes, and be Larry

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<v Speaker 8>wasn't the fastest guy in the world, so we just.

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<v Speaker 7>Ran the heck out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me the guy that might surprise us. That was great,

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<v Speaker 2>greater than what we may.

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<v Speaker 7>Remember oh over the years.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow that you played against.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh boy Dan, that's a great question, god Lee. I

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<v Speaker 7>mean most of the guys that garnered were just great

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<v Speaker 7>in a sense. I mean Barney injury. David Robinson was such.

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<v Speaker 8>A unique player because his skill level, his speed, his quickness,

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<v Speaker 8>ability to shoot block shots, he played the whole game.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, David Robinson.

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<v Speaker 8>You know they won with Duncan, they won titles.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, I'm marveled at his ability.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to talk to you, I know, tough to get

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<v Speaker 2>up after a game like that, literally and figuratively to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what happened there is the series shifts to Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 2>But good to catch up with you, Billy, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining.

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<v Speaker 7>Great day. Happy to be on with you, Eddietown. Great show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Beeny Altitude Sports and he's been an analyst there

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<v Speaker 2>for quite some time and former player and coach with

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<v Speaker 2>the Nuggets. Yeah, Doug Mo had small ball. Now Don

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<v Speaker 2>Nelson had small ball, and that's when you had run TMC.

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<v Speaker 2>But Doug Mo Hansick sixty seven and he was guarding

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<v Speaker 2>the best centers in the history of the game. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just wild though, when you have these coaches who think

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<v Speaker 2>out of the box. And Doug Mo certainly did, Paul

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<v Speaker 2>West had did when he was in college, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Don Nelson certainly did as well. This, Hey, we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to try something different.

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<v Speaker 2>I always love that that you're going to try something unique,

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<v Speaker 2>because now I'm going to force you to try to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, stop us with what we do so well.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, Doug Mo was he had some wild outfits too.

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<v Speaker 2>He loved plaid for some reason. Back then coaches had

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<v Speaker 2>plaid plaid slacks. You know. Then Ryles, when Ryles came

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<v Speaker 2>in and Ryle started dressing like you know, he was slick.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that was Wall Street and you know that

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<v Speaker 2>was the inspiration for Gordon Gecko. But that's when it changed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because Red Arbach would be on the sideline

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<v Speaker 2>and have a cigar, and you know, he dressed like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he was this maybe a school teacher. But

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, Ryle's started it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was looking good. Then all of a sudden, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was it was Don Nelson who wore like

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<v Speaker 2>a mock turtle neck shirt or a sweater, felt like

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<v Speaker 2>he kind of casualed it down a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 2>remember with the NFL coaches, they wore suit and times,

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<v Speaker 2>Hank Stram wearing his suit and tie. Tom Landry had

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<v Speaker 2>his hat on like they were all Vince Lombardi and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, did somebody And then you

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<v Speaker 2>look at Bill Belichick. You like that guy, you know

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<v Speaker 2>just went to the good will bin and grabbed a

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<v Speaker 2>sweatshirt there where's Lombardi would be out there that white shirt, tie,

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<v Speaker 2>sport coat, have a hat on. It was different. Then

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, it was like what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>these guys? How they dress or don't care?

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<v Speaker 6>Paually, I'm glad he mentioned David Robinson's greatness. I think

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<v Speaker 6>history is not going to be great to David Robinson's

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<v Speaker 6>career because of the back injury. But before you know,

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<v Speaker 6>his first eight years in the league, he had seasons

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<v Speaker 6>where averaged thirty points a game. He had stevens where

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<v Speaker 6>he averaged thirteen rebounds, He led the league of blocks,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, not to me, he led the league in

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<v Speaker 6>points one season. He was top three for MVP six

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<v Speaker 6>out of eight years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Tim Duncan took away his shine, right, But like

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's why.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but David Robinson's at he.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't win until Tim came in, and Tim got most

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<v Speaker 2>of the credit, right.

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<v Speaker 6>I think David Robinson as best was a better player

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<v Speaker 6>than Tim Duncan at his peak when he was averaging

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<v Speaker 6>like thirty thirteen and four wall.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a more acrobatic, dynamic, athletic player. Tim was

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<v Speaker 2>just methodical. You knew exact where you're gonna get with him. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>numbers may vary, but you know there'd be a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of turnaround bank shots. He was gonna block a few

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<v Speaker 2>more shots than you think. He would get rebound and

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<v Speaker 2>he would be clutch. I mean that was just how

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<v Speaker 2>he played.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Mark and David Robinson might be the most cut

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<v Speaker 3>NBA player who has ever lived.

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<v Speaker 4>Those arms were ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to be that tall, to be seven to one.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember going to the Naval Academy and when

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<v Speaker 2>he was there and I did a story on him,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he walked across campus, it was out of

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<v Speaker 2>a movie because he's got his dress blues on. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he looked spectacular. All of a sudden, you see all

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<v Speaker 2>these like six foot cadets and then you got a

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<v Speaker 2>seven footer walking over and and what a gentleman, true gentleman,

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<v Speaker 2>never had negative words to say. There are there's times

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<v Speaker 2>when I wish he was a little more aggressive like

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<v Speaker 2>that he was taking it to people. He was just

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<v Speaker 2>a nice person who happened to be a great basketball player.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, we'll get some phone calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Windhorse, Wendy Jonas coming up here, Cavs Celtic's game

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<v Speaker 2>one tonight, Mavericks at the Thunder. We take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Winhorse of the Mothership, senior NBA writer, He was

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<v Speaker 2>in the Garden last night. How would you compare that atmosphere?

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<v Speaker 2>People talk about the Garden the yester year of the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 2>How would you rank what you heard last night with

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<v Speaker 2>other venues here in the last few years that you've covered.

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<v Speaker 10>The Garden fans are very well educated. They have a

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<v Speaker 10>appreciation for the nuance of the game. You know, it's like,

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<v Speaker 10>I'll get criticized for this, but it's like saying, who's

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<v Speaker 10>got the best burger or who's got the best steak.

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<v Speaker 10>You can get a great steak all across the world.

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<v Speaker 10>You know a bad steak when you see it. You

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<v Speaker 10>know a good steak when you see it. There's a

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<v Speaker 10>lot of venues that you go to where it's a

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<v Speaker 10>tremendous atmosphere. In those venues where the Garden crowd is different.

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<v Speaker 10>Is there a more educated crowd. They applaud things that

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<v Speaker 10>are a little that are higher level. The basketball fans

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<v Speaker 10>there sort of all have graduate degrees, if you will,

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<v Speaker 10>And you know, but they love Jalen Brunson so much

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<v Speaker 10>They've been waiting for a player like this for so long,

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<v Speaker 10>and I think it's really cool that they bring back it.

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<v Speaker 10>So at every time out Dan in the playoffs, they

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<v Speaker 10>do two things. At the Garden. They show a celebrity

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<v Speaker 10>and there's you know, dozens to choose from. So first

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<v Speaker 10>they'll show a celebrity, you know, Ben Stiller, Tracy Morgan,

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<v Speaker 10>I don't remember who was all there last night. And

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<v Speaker 10>then they'll show in the playoffs a Nick Great, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>Wolf Frasier, John Starks, Larry Johnson. And that's an awesome thing.

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<v Speaker 10>It's like, you know, the met Galla was going on

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<v Speaker 10>here in New York last night, but the place to

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<v Speaker 10>be was the Garden, and so the celebrity, the Nick's greats.

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<v Speaker 10>It was a great atmosphere. But I don't want to

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<v Speaker 10>fall into the trap of saying, oh my god, you

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<v Speaker 10>can't get you can't get a great burger outside me,

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<v Speaker 10>you can't get good pizza outside Manhattan or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I remember being in there the first time

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<v Speaker 2>when Bernard King was playing against the Celtics, and that

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<v Speaker 2>environment was wonderful because there was you know, truly hated

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<v Speaker 2>rival there. But I'm just curious because everything was better

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<v Speaker 2>back when we were younger, and so I always want

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<v Speaker 2>to be fair and go okay, you know, the garden

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<v Speaker 2>is alive. I just remember it felt different back then.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a lot nicer now since they renovated at about

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<v Speaker 10>ten years ago. When I first went there my first

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<v Speaker 10>NBA season twenty one years ago, you know, hear about

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<v Speaker 10>the world's most famous arena, it was kind of a dump.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, it's way nicer now, way way nicer now. Look,

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<v Speaker 10>I always like going there. It's a great appa fear.

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<v Speaker 10>There's a buzz outside of it. And look right now

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<v Speaker 10>in the city, the Rangers are playing every other night.

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<v Speaker 10>The Knicks are playing every other night. Tonight we got

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<v Speaker 10>the Rangers are going to go too. Oh. It's a

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<v Speaker 10>great time to be in the city because I used

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<v Speaker 10>to live here, and when I lived here, it was

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<v Speaker 10>like the bottom of New York sports. Even the Yankees

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<v Speaker 10>were not even getting it done. When I was here,

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<v Speaker 10>there was a bunch of Yankees in the building. Last night,

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<v Speaker 10>No Mets were honored.

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<v Speaker 5>How'd the refs do last night?

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<v Speaker 10>I'm one of these guys who I feel like defends referees.

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<v Speaker 10>I think one of the few in the media. My

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<v Speaker 10>father was a referee. I tried to be a referee

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<v Speaker 10>when I was a kid, and I hated it because

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<v Speaker 10>of how hard it was and how you could never win.

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<v Speaker 10>And so I'm inclined to defend them. And I'm one

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<v Speaker 10>of these people that says ninety nine percent of the

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<v Speaker 10>time the game is not decided by officiating. I really

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<v Speaker 10>it drives me crazy when these teams blame like long

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<v Speaker 10>term officiating. I've honestly never really felt the same way

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<v Speaker 10>about Darryl Moury since he released that dossier that he

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<v Speaker 10>had when he was in Houston and said thirteen months ago,

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<v Speaker 10>in the third quarter, we got screwed and therefore we

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<v Speaker 10>should win tonight's game. As an educated man that Darryl is,

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<v Speaker 10>it drives me crazy that he leans on that clutch,

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<v Speaker 10>that crutch. Having said all of that, this was a

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<v Speaker 10>situation where the referees changed the outcome of the game.

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<v Speaker 10>And to me, what seems to me is that everybody's

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<v Speaker 10>really reacting to the moving screen call. Of course you

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<v Speaker 10>shouldn't call it there. However, by the letter of the law,

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<v Speaker 10>it was an accurate call, and I don't think when

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<v Speaker 10>the two minute report comes out today, I don't think

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<v Speaker 10>they're going to say it was an incorrect call. To

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<v Speaker 10>me that the much much more impactful call was the

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<v Speaker 10>kicked ball. And the reason is because the Pacers had

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<v Speaker 10>generated a turnover, and if you watch the replay, it

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<v Speaker 10>was going to be it is a tie game with

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<v Speaker 10>forty seconds left, Okay, there's gonna be a three on

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<v Speaker 10>one break. The Knicks were either going to foul where

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<v Speaker 10>it could have been a take foul and they could

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<v Speaker 10>have gotten a three point play, or they were gonna

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<v Speaker 10>go a layup and they were gonna be down to

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<v Speaker 10>they were gonna be calling time out and the guard

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<v Speaker 10>was gonna be dead. Instead, the steal is called the

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<v Speaker 10>kicked ball. It's not reviewable. The Knicks come out hit

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<v Speaker 10>a three pointer, puts them up by three with thirty

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<v Speaker 10>seconds left. Now we have a five point five point

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<v Speaker 10>swing in a tie game and a tie playoff game

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<v Speaker 10>in the last forty seconds. That's the call. And I

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<v Speaker 10>know they at a bad angle and I know it's

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<v Speaker 10>not reviewable. That's the call that Zach Zaraba, who happens

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<v Speaker 10>to be one of the top three officials in the

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<v Speaker 10>league in my opinion, has to come out and say

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<v Speaker 10>to the reporters after the game. We got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 10>They didn't get the moving screen call wrong. The spirit

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<v Speaker 10>of the call was wrong. That call was called theoretically correctly.

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<v Speaker 10>The kickball is pill to swallow if you're a pacer fan.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm trying to I don't want to slow down

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<v Speaker 2>games anymore than they've already been slowed down. But I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get the call right if we have the

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<v Speaker 2>technology to get it right. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>there's a push in the offseason, usually it takes something

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<v Speaker 2>really dramatic where we go, now, we got to change that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this is that because the Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>didn't lose the game, but you got a solution.

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<v Speaker 5>Nope.

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<v Speaker 10>You know. I'm I'm a bit of an English football fan,

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<v Speaker 10>and over there they have this thing called VR, which

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<v Speaker 10>is their instant replay. And you want to start a

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<v Speaker 10>fight in a pub, you bring up VR. It's an

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<v Speaker 10>extraordinarily controversial tactic and they work. It works super fast

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<v Speaker 10>over there. Sometimes they'll let the soccer game play on

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<v Speaker 10>and then they'll go back two three minutes and say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>we reviewed that, we're gonna give a guy penalty kick.

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<v Speaker 10>It's not common, but that happens. They have have a

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<v Speaker 10>much much better system, and it's still coaches pull their

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<v Speaker 10>hair out over it, and so it's I don't think

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<v Speaker 10>there is a way to fix it. I know that

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<v Speaker 10>this year has been as bad as ever because I

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<v Speaker 10>have seen more calls overturned or upheld where I don't understand,

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<v Speaker 10>and they have taken so much time and I don't

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<v Speaker 10>have an answer. What I do know is this, This

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<v Speaker 10>is the best we have in basketball. The NBA referees

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<v Speaker 10>are the best we have. You can say that, I

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<v Speaker 10>don't mean you didn't, but somebody can say that they stink.

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<v Speaker 10>Somebody can say that they're awful. Somebody can say that

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<v Speaker 10>this or that. Watch international basketball, watch college basketball. Can

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<v Speaker 10>they be better? Should they be better? Yes? This is

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<v Speaker 10>the best we got, So you're gonna have to live

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<v Speaker 10>with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Brian Windhorst or the Mothership ESPN senior NBA writer

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<v Speaker 2>at the Garden last night. Meanwhile in Denver, Denver gets

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<v Speaker 2>blown out. But I'm curious. Now we have to wait

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<v Speaker 2>until Friday for Game three, plenty of time for the

0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:00.879
<v Speaker 2>home office to review what Jamal Murray did. How do

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 2>you think they're going to view that with him throwing

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 2>something on the floor.

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<v Speaker 10>I'd never say anything like it. First off, he is

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 10>one hundred percent inexcusably out of line there, has completely

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:19.160
<v Speaker 10>lost his composure because he's getting exploited by the Timberwolves.

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 10>The Timberwolves watched the last series, saw that his calf

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 10>injury was bothering him, at which Michael Malone has admitted,

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 10>and they are exploiting him. He is getting taken advantage

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 10>of on the court. He hates it, and it's leading

0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 10>him to make some wild decisions. He throws a towel,

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 10>and of course a towel, it's not a big deal.

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.120
<v Speaker 10>But she can't throw a towel at the official. That's

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.920
<v Speaker 10>what he's doing. He throws a towel at the official.

0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 10>It comes up short. When he realizes that it's hard

0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 10>to throw a towel twenty feet, he picks up something

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 10>heavier and flings it at the official. Now the NBA

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:57.959
<v Speaker 10>is going to interview him and he may give some answer.

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 10>He's throwing that at the officials. So before we even

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 10>talk about what the consequences are of throwing something wet

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 10>and bulky like that out on a court, know that

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 10>he was throwing an object a heavy object at an

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 10>official that's number one, then number two. It makes it

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 10>onto the court and is a terrible hazard. I know

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 10>that people probably don't understand what this heating pad is.

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 10>I know this because I've never seen one of these,

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 10>maybe outside of my grandmother's you know, bedroom in nineteen

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.879
<v Speaker 10>eighty four. The NBA is technology driven, as it is,

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.880
<v Speaker 10>uses like nineteen fifties technology for these heating pads. They

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 10>have these canisters on the bench that use steam heat

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:53.919
<v Speaker 10>to heat these these sort of padded, you know, maybe

0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:56.159
<v Speaker 10>inch thick little pads, and then when the players come

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.399
<v Speaker 10>off the court, they'd use towels to wrap it around

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.439
<v Speaker 10>their backs and their legs to stay warm. Why they

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.760
<v Speaker 10>don't use any something more modern, I don't know, but

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:08.400
<v Speaker 10>they're but they're big, wet and heavy, and that could

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 10>have gotten under somebody's foot and cause an ankle injury

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 10>or knee injury, growing injury. Absolutely inexcusable and completely out

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 10>of line for him to do it. The crazy thing

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 10>is now, I don't I don't blame the refs stand

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 10>for not calling it. They got their backs turned. It's

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 10>coming from the end of the bench. They don't know

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 10>where that came from. For all they know, it was

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 10>a it was an accident. You know, it's a it's

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 10>a it's accoutrement from the bench. You know, stuff happens.

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 10>But after the game they were interviewed and Mark Davis,

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 10>the lead official who's was the target of that of

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 10>those objects, said, if we had seen it, it would

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:48.640
<v Speaker 10>have been a technical. And the reporter follows up, a technical,

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 10>not an ejection. He says, no, a technical, and so

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.119
<v Speaker 10>that makes me wonder, like if that's the rule. Frankly,

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 10>I haven't seen anything that ever thrown on the court

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 10>by a player. I've seen many many players throw things

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 10>off the court, and that's an automatic ejection. Whether you

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 10>throw a piece of gum, or you throw the basketball,

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 10>or you throw your assistant coach. Anything in the stands

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.879
<v Speaker 10>is automatic ejection from the from the stands onto the court.

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 10>As a player. I don't think there's clear precedent, but

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.199
<v Speaker 10>the league is going to have a serious thing to

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 10>deal with here, if more than anything else, to protect

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:24.199
<v Speaker 10>its referees.

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 2>I brought this up with Dave mcmahaman where I said,

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, Lebron does that podcast with JJ Reddick JJ,

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>maybe interviewing with Charlotte I don't know if he already has.

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>And I said, well, could you see where Lebron JJ

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's the head coach of the Lakers, And Dave goes, yes,

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I think he's one of the candidates.

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 5>Like, how serious is this?

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I I kind of brought it up as just oh, okay,

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe would would they discuss being the head coach of

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the Lakers?

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 10>Well, a couple of things. First off, the Lakers have

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 10>very few good candidates for the job. Not that JJ

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 10>would be a bad candidate, but they have very few

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 10>good candidates. There's not that many coaches available right now

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 10>who are experienced and proven and ready to come to

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 10>Los Angeles. You can say a name Mike, Mike Buttenholzer.

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 10>But before you assume that a guy like Mike Bututenholzer

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 10>is going to go to the Lakers, you need to

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 10>understand that the Lakers don't pay They paid Phil Jackson

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 10>an eight figure salary. They did it kicking and screaming,

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 10>and he was engaged to one of the owners at

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 10>the time and had won by the time they paid

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 10>it to him, had won numerous championships. I'm not sure

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 10>what year they gave it to him. They have been

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 10>outbid for a couple of years ago, tylu and Monty

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 10>Williams turned him down because they didn't offer it. I mean,

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 10>I can't say for exactly why, but they're low ball

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 10>contract offer were part of it. And so if you

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 10>just assume that there's going to be a coach who

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 10>wants to go in there, like a Mike Buttenholzer, the

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 10>going right for an the league coach now is eight

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 10>figures a year, and the Lakers, I'm not sure they're

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 10>willing to pay that. That's number one. Maybe they are,

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 10>but that's number one. Number two. This is the toughest

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 10>one of the toughest situations to coach the league. You

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 10>have aging stars, which is one toughest thing to coach

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 10>in sports. You have a roster that should get better.

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 10>They have some draft assets, but you really don't know

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 10>how much you can get better. Man, look at the

0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 10>Western Conference. Dan. I was talking the other day to

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 10>a coaching candidate who's going to be a candidate for

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 10>some of these jobs, and he was saying to me,

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 10>is like, I'm kind of waiting for an East coach

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 10>Eastern Conference job because these Western Conference jobs. I mean,

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 10>look at the Lakers, which which of the teams in

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 10>front of them, do you think are coming backwards? And

0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 10>which look at behind them? They got the rockets breathing

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 10>down their neck, the spurs are going to be coming up.

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 10>Like it's going to be a really hard job. What

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 10>I would say to JJ is, here's gonna think, I

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 10>want to say real quick. Lebron doesn't get involved in

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 10>coaching hires for years, for many many coaches. He's always

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 10>taken a distance, in fact, and I can't taste for

0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 10>every candidate, but he generally has a rule, generally okay,

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.040
<v Speaker 10>that he won't engage with the candidate after the coach

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 10>has been hired. Of course he'll have a conversation with

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 10>the coach. Generally he wants to stay out of it.

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 10>He doesn't want it on his hands. I know there's

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 10>this belief that Lebron hires and fires all these coaches,

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 10>and maybe he does like hurt coaches because he sort

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.719
<v Speaker 10>of kills him with a thousand paper cuts. But Lebron

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 10>is very sensitive to that and he does not want

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 10>to be involved in that. So it's not going to

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 10>be like he's going to go into Rob Lincoln say hey,

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 10>I'm having a great time with JJ. You should hire him.

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:57.520
<v Speaker 10>That's just not reality. But what I would say to

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 10>JJ if he asked my opinion, which he won't, is

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 10>that Lebron's friendships in the NBA, for the most part,

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 10>tend to fall out as quick as they start. There

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 10>is a long line of former teammates that he was

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 10>buddy buddies with that when it's over, are gone. The

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 10>true close people in his life have been close people

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 10>in his life for fifteen or twenty years. So just

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 10>because anybody, and I'm not just saying JJ, just because

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 10>Jim Smith is having a great time hanging out with

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 10>Lebron in May doesn't mean it would be a great

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 10>time by December. That's what I would say, just in

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 10>general about all relationships with him in the NBA.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 5>I know you're busy. Thanks for joining us as always.

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 10>Thanks you Dan, Thank you Dandy.

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>That's Brian Windhors, ESPN Senior NBA writer. He always gives

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you something that you haven't heard. That's what I'd love

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 2>about having him on, and he he's got you know,

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 2>it's it's you got to have the connect the dots,

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>and you know, all of a sudden you're thinking, all right,

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>don't buy into that just because he's friends with JJ

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Reddick and he's right, Hey, Lebron loves you, and then

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, Lebron doesn't love you, and then

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden you're on another team.

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Mark, When I was at the Mothership, I heard

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 3>from an insider they were like, oh, you know who's

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Lebron loyal to?

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 4>He was like, Acron, Okay, that's all he said.

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 3>He's like, if you know, if you knew him before

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 3>he was Lebron James, you're good. He's like other than that, huh,

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe not.

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 5>We'll take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get some phone calls here the start of Shoho Tani.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if many of us thought he would

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>start out like this, considering the other things that he's

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>gone through, including off season surgery and the interpreter back.

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<v Speaker 1>After this, be sure to catch the live edition of

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<v Speaker 1>The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:53.240
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<v Speaker 1>It sounded like a suit John.

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>That's courtesy a Spectrum Sportsnet. I've said this before. There

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>are certain players. When the ball hits the bat, it

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>sounds different and shoheo Tani is one of those players

0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:17.879
<v Speaker 2>as a long home run Again, he's got four home

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 2>runs in the last three games, and he leads the

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 2>majors with eleven. So this is the eighth time in

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:28.359
<v Speaker 2>his career he's homered in three consecutive games. You look

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 2>at his first thirty six games played, and if I

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 2>compare this with thirty six games in previous season, starting

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.760
<v Speaker 2>in twenty eighteen twenty twenty one, he had ten home runs.

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Then he had eight in twenty twenty two, eight and

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three. Here he is with eleven. Batting average wise,

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 2>he's hitting three seventy. I mean, it's so far away

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 2>from his previous like two ninety three to two ninety seven.

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>And supposedly, you know, a bad elbow, surgically repaired elbow

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 2>slugging a oh my goodness. On base percentage is eleven hundred.

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 2>He's got one hundred and three total bases. We weren't

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 2>even sure if he was going to play this year

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 2>or how limited he would be. We knew he couldn't pitch.

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 2>But once again, when you hear the ball go off

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 2>his bat, he doesn't get many of those. It just

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 2>barely trickled over the wall, he hits them, he gets them.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Paul, with how good he's doing and the fact that,

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 6>you know, if you look back at the releases, he

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 6>did not have Tommy John surgery. He had a new

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 6>elbow procedure, which, yeah, this is great sign that you

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 6>could still play like this. Is there any chance that

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 6>they would consider not having him move back to a

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 6>pitching role and just be the best hitter in baseball

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 6>long term?

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, you're paying for the pitching part of this as well.

0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the contract stipulates. I don't know

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>if he has to make a certain number of starts

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 2>or they basically just said, all right, here's the salary.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 2>We're giving you seven hundred million dollars. I would like

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 2>to have the pitching part of this as well.

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 2>It's funny though, because the didn't they signed the contract

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 2>when the pitching part was out of the equation, Like,

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 2>wasn't he already hurt and then he signed this monster deal.

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 5>Yes, they knew he was not pitching this year. They

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 5>did know that.

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 2>But I would think for that kind of money, i'd

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 2>like to get a couple of starts on the mound,

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 2>but I'd like to continue that two way player.

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 6>I guess I'm just being cautious here. You know, like,

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 6>if you're the Dodgers, you could afford with your staff

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 6>and your depth to let him just be the best

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 6>hitter in baseball or one of the best. And you know,

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 6>the pitching. If you put him in the rotation he

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 6>pitches twenty starts next year. Now you're risking the hitting

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 6>again if he has another elbow issue.

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it's just hitting worth that kind

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 2>of contract there. Like his numbers, are they going to

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>be crazy numbers? Are they going to be just really

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>good numbers? Now with the Dodgers, it's about winning, it's

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>not you know, Mookie Betts has better odds to win

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:12.319
<v Speaker 2>the MVP right now. You might be surprised at that,

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot better odds than Otani. This according to DraftKings.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's muki Otani, Ronald Acunya Junior, and Elie Dela

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<v Speaker 2>Cruz of the Reds. That's it for MVP in the

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<v Speaker 2>national lane.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Marph, what more does Otani need to do in

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<v Speaker 3>order to be like a first ballot Hall of Famer?

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<v Speaker 4>Does he need maybe another three or four great years?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you gotta win.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that always helps, but you know, depending on

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<v Speaker 2>how many MVPs he gets, I mean, not considered the

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<v Speaker 2>best player on his own team. Mooki is, at least

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<v Speaker 2>according to MVP odds. So is he going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a Hall of Famer? Yeah, I guess, But I would

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<v Speaker 2>think for that amount of money, I should be able

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<v Speaker 2>to get more out of him.

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<v Speaker 5>You were expecting more. I don't think it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, let's see how this goes hitting wise, maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have you pitch the following year. I would be

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<v Speaker 2>surprised at that. But these are I mean, Mike Troup's

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<v Speaker 2>got ten home runs I believe, and then he got hurt,

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<v Speaker 2>but nine were solo home runs, so he was hitting

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<v Speaker 2>home runs and usually has a higher batting average than

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<v Speaker 2>sho Hey Otani. But yeah, I would say winning chance,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, performing on a big stage that goes a

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<v Speaker 2>long way. Because we've we've waited to see Otani in

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<v Speaker 2>these situations, just like we've waited for Mike Troup. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me see get a couple of phone calls in here.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh Joe and Orlando, Hey Joe, thanks for holding What.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you have for me?

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<v Speaker 11>Good moarning fellows. I just got a quick question pretty

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<v Speaker 11>dam watching Jalen Brentford's game from this series and the last.

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<v Speaker 11>He just gets to the paint and he still scores.

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<v Speaker 11>And I just have a question. Has there been a

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<v Speaker 11>six to two or smaller guards that's an inside out

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<v Speaker 11>playing with vices the guys that are more outside inside.

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<v Speaker 11>I haven't seen somebody dominate the inside game at his

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<v Speaker 11>height since maybe I was sent.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Derrick Rose wasn't a great shooter. Uh, he got

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<v Speaker 2>in the paint. He was great in the paint. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>d Wade, but d Wade's a little bit taller. He

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<v Speaker 2>got into the paint. Steve Nash could get in the paint.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he could go inside out Steph Curry to

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<v Speaker 2>a certain degree, but you know his he makes his

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<v Speaker 2>living out on the edge.

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<v Speaker 5>Isaiah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know with Brunson, you don't look at

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<v Speaker 2>him and go he does this really well. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like where you go, Oh my god, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to take that away from him. I was just surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have double teamed him as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I knew the Vincenzo was hitting his shots in

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<v Speaker 2>the second half, but I got to do something to

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<v Speaker 2>disrupt if he gets into a rhythm.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>How many times do you see a pitcher At least

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<v Speaker 2>this used to be when they went past five innings.

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<v Speaker 2>They got stronger as the game went on. The players

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<v Speaker 2>that get into their rhythm, they become better, They become

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<v Speaker 2>stronger as the game goes on. Look at Brunson in

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth quarter. He's averaging seventeen points a game in

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<v Speaker 2>the postseason. In the fourth quarter, you're letting him get

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<v Speaker 2>to his spots, and then he takes advantage of that.

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<v Speaker 2>He makes his free throws. He's not afraid of contact,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's He's a better version of Chris Paul from

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<v Speaker 2>the standpoint of scoring. Chris Paul wasn't athletically gifted, but

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<v Speaker 2>he always seemed to find his spots there. Jalen Bruns

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<v Speaker 2>is a better offensive minded Chris Paul in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>and he plays the angles. He understands, you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>he can and can't do. It doesn't seem like he

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<v Speaker 2>gets out of who he is now. Josh Hart. Josh

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<v Speaker 2>Hart gets outside of his comfort zone occasionally where you're going, Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>slow down, you got one speed.

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<v Speaker 5>Tim Legler will join us, coming up.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, yes, good shot.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, sometimes you do that with Josh Hart.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh no no oh good, all right, good shot, good shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Final hour on the way. Tim Legler from the Mothership

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<v Speaker 2>will stop by