1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of My Heart Radio. Hey, Sarony, 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton, you know it's ridiculous, Yeah, I do. Actually, 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: do you know if you tried one new Coca Cola 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: product every day, it would take you nine years to 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: try them all? Wait, Coca Cola? Like? Are you talking 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: about Coca Cola the beverage con so, but any of 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: the like or whatever their various They make more than 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: thirty five hundred different beverages. My stars, that's a lot. 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: I had no idea. That's just straight up ridiculous. I 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: kicked diet coke not too long ago. I used to 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: drink a lot of it and it spend a couple 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: of months and I happened. What water that stuff? I 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: only drink water and iced coffee. Now, Hm, you know, 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: run and clean? Okay, let me tell you something else. 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, all right. Later on me chasing century clout 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: and conning the public by pretending to be a princess 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: from an imaginary island. I like that me too. This 18 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, 19 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: and cons. It's always murder free and ridiculous. So is Naron, 20 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Have you ever told 21 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: a significant lie about yourself to other people? Have I ever? 22 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: In fact, one of my best friends I made our 23 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: like our friendship was made based on a lie. Yeah. 24 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: So what happened was who is orientation in college? It 25 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: was like the first day, like your orientation, and there's 26 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: this bus that there's loading students. I'll think, we'll take 27 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: you down to the each and have like the whole thing. 28 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: So I'm like, cool, I'll roll into the beach. You 29 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: know I love beaches, so you do moon dogging. So 30 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: I get on this bus moondogging in it up and uh, 31 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: I see this all these really hot Spanish girls at 32 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: the back of the bus and a bunch of Spanish dudes. 33 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: They're all like, also hot if you're into Spanish dudes, right, 34 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: So just a bunch of attractive Spaniards are in the 35 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: back of this bus and there's one dude, this Korean 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: dude sitting there in the Chicago Cubs hat talking in 37 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: Spanish to them. No. I understand enough Spanish to get around, 38 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: but not enough to really do my thing. So I 39 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: went up and told him, hey, man, are you from Chicago. 40 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, and so I then told him I 41 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: was from Chicago and we bonded over that so that 42 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: way I could go and talk to all those hot 43 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: Spanish girls and by hanging out with him, and we 44 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: went down to the beach and we all partied together 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: and it worked out great. He and I became the 46 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: best of friends. Did he ask you what neighbor? Oh? Yeah, 47 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: I know Chicago well enough that I could like name 48 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: high schools and stuff, But you could name high schools 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: in Chicago like New Trier High. I knew like plenty 50 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: of Lincoln Lincoln Wood anyway, so that's disturbing, Thank you. 51 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: I just listened to two stories. I had all these details. Anyway, 52 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: he meets my mother for the first time. What's his 53 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: first question? Hey, what part of Chicago do you live in? 54 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh right, I forgot i'd ever 55 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: tell him. So that's what we found at the truth 56 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: we never lived in Chicago. And he looked at me 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: like the darts in his eyes. How long was this 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: from the bus ride to the reveal? Probably ten months. Wow, 59 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: that's a long time to keep you know, I wasn't 60 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: committed to it. I forgot you talk like that would 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: have been the fun part that if I would do 62 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: it again, I would definitely be like, Okay, all right, lying, Well, 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: we've all done that. We've all kind of painted ourselves 64 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: as someone else, right, especially when we're young. Oh yeah, totally. 65 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: And we exaggerate, we fabricate, so like people in their resumes, 66 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: why do we do that? I'm good at XCEL proficient, extraficient, 67 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: But like, why do we do that? We do that 68 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: to make ourselves more interesting, or to get further in life, 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: or to avoid questions. So we think about people who 70 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: don't tell the truth or who exaggerate, and I think 71 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: a really good example of that is a lady named 72 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Mary Wilcox. Mary Wilcox no w I L L C 73 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: O c K S stop, I'm gonna stop. So Mary 74 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: was born She's born in in England, in a little 75 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: village in Devonshire, just north of Exeter. Is this making 76 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: any no is anywhere close to frog? Well? Oh my gosh, 77 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: she's like right near frog, well super close to frog. 78 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: Well she's really eccentric, prone to depression, rad little kid. 79 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: And but you know the time, girl, and the thing 80 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: is is that she's not rich. She's you know, her 81 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: dad's a cobbler and her mom spins wool and she 82 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: also the mom like we did corn fields or something 83 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: or wheat fields like English peasants viage shoes one right, 84 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: and here she's eccentric and prone to depression. But I 85 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: think the only the rich are allowed to be eccentric, 86 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: especially in England. Yeah, anywhere then you kind of otherwise 87 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: you look down upon, but you get to be weird. 88 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if you're you're rich eccentric. If you're poor, 89 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: you're crazy. Right, So, but she wants more in life, 90 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, like she sees the world in a different way. 91 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: She's this crazy wanderlest She just wants to see the world, 92 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: which really was not open to her at that time. 93 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: It's difficult. You're stuck in Devonshire in correct. Yeah, that's 94 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: when she came into this world. But she she kind 95 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: of figures out how she can navigate that world and 96 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: make it interesting for her. She learns how to read, 97 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: which was a big deal then for someone and no 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: and like peasants, and you know, it just wasn't it 99 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: wasn't something that was sort of on offer. I would imagine. Um. 100 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: She also learned how to swim, and that was a 101 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: big deal. You know, they preferred their their poor people drowning. 102 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: And so she gets a gig as a servant. That 103 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: makes total sense. You can see that happening. And next 104 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: door to where she is working, there's this Jewish family 105 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: and first she'd be friends their servant, and then she 106 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: befriends the whole family and they, um, they teach her 107 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: how to write, and they teach her all in English, 108 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: in English, but they teach her also they teach her 109 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: the Hebrew alphabet, and they teach her all this really 110 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: cool stuff, the Jewish diet, and they just sound like 111 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: this really neat family that it's just gets along with everybody. Um. 112 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: She gets fired from her gig though, because she's not 113 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: she's a little bit flaky, you know, she's kind of 114 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: a daydreamer. Uh. And so after she's fired, she gets 115 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: arrested because she stole a piece of cloth and she 116 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: do is going down how fast? Yeah, And she started 117 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: to get more and more desperate. She dresses herself like 118 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: a man and gets a job as a footman on 119 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: the back of a like a servant. Yeah. On and 120 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: h one night she's in this snowstorm and she's trying 121 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: to make her way back to where she works, the 122 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: home where she works, and she's all wet and cold 123 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: and like shivering, and they take her in and they 124 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: go to help change out of her clothes and they're like, 125 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: that's not a man, she's not. She's so cold, she's 126 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: so cold, she's like chattering at her teeth, and she's 127 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: trying to like I did, don't do, and then they 128 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: like strip her down, thinking it's just going to be 129 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: some dude. No, So then she gets fired again, and 130 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: I write around that time. She then gets married, but 131 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: it's me and then also, oh it's not a love marriage. Yeah, 132 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: she gets married. She only married, she's only married to 133 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: the guy for nine months, and she has a kid. 134 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: So what that makes me think is that that's why 135 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: she got married. So she has a kid. She marries 136 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: the guy whose last name is Baker, and so she 137 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: becomes Rry Baker keeps us in mind, are you getting 138 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: are you okay? Good? You're writing it down. She has 139 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: to give the kid up because she's so broke, and 140 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, the guy splits. The kid passes away not 141 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: long after he's given up, So it's just like a 142 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: really hard luck story. She starts to sort of moving around. 143 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: She makes her way up to Bristol, which is north 144 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: of where she was from near Wales, and she gets 145 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: lodging with this woman named Mrs Neil, and yes you do, 146 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: Mrs Neil. Now she's totally desperate to go to America. 147 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:47,239 Speaker 1: That's her absolute dream. And in the meantime she's entertaining 148 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: Mrs Neil's kids by making up languages and stuff like that. 149 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: And one day she's down at the docks and she 150 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: sees these French women women down by the docks. I 151 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: don't know what they were doing. It's weird for a 152 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: weird place for French French women. Long we're still coastlined 153 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: down by the docks. Yeah, they're just you know, hanging out, vibing. 154 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: They were there for the chowder. Um. But Mary notices 155 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: that they're getting all this attention. Now I think I 156 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: know why they're getting but it marries you. She's like, oh, 157 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: they're so exotic, they're so interesting, and she sees all 158 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: the attention they get. So she dresses up and goes 159 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: down to the docks and is all all hall like 160 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: making up languages and pretending to be French or like 161 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: speaking with a French accent. And she's asking for money 162 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: and she's getting it. People are like, oh, you're so 163 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: beautiful and exotic. Here, here's this a tuppance, there's here's 164 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: that I don't know what they're giving up. And she's like, 165 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to save up this money to make it 166 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: to the US of a this new nation that's out there. 167 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Um so here this is just building it up. Right 168 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: if you were in her position, like, if you wanted 169 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: to go somewhere and you had absolutely nothing, what would 170 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: you do? What do you mean, like, am i her? 171 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: Am I a woman in England? Or am I a 172 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: woman in England? Yeah, it would be a different story. 173 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: Like you in England, black man in England, I have 174 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: a very different So I'm like, okay, what am I stealing? 175 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: And how I'm getting to the box and stealing a boat? 176 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: My hiding. So it's just something to think about, think 177 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,599 Speaker 1: about what her options were. And then we're going to 178 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: take a quick commercial break, okay, because I'm gonna need 179 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: to do some math. Yeah, you're definitely going to. Then 180 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna come back and I'm going to let you 181 00:10:36,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: know how Mary brought the ridiculous Okay, so we're back. Hi, Hey, 182 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,119 Speaker 1: how you doing. I want you to picture this. It's Thursday, 183 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: April three, eighteen. A woman staggers into Almondsbury, England, into 184 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: the town square. It's Mary, but she's no longer Mary. 185 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: How does that work? I'm about to tell you. She's 186 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: wearing all black and a turban. She's learned to tie 187 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: a turban completely, Yeah, she's learned to tie a turban. 188 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: She's it's very sort of Mrs Howell from Gilligan's Island 189 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: in my mind. And so she's got this turban on. 190 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: It's her outfit has almost like an Asian styling to it. 191 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: So it's she looks way out of place in Almondsbury 192 00:11:50,280 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: and everyone is talking about her amazing eyebrows. They are 193 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: on early fleet. They're beautifully arched. I'm imagining them as 194 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: those nineties really thin, like oh yeah, probably not. Maybe 195 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: they're like maybe she just penciled them on like wicked heavy. 196 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: But she got like chardon eyebrows are like super high. Okay, 197 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: that's what is That's what she's doing. But she's also 198 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: got the turban. She's a looker, I wish, oh yeah. 199 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: But she's also tired and hungry, and she had like 200 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: a couple coins on her, and one of them is 201 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: a fake sixpence, which just fun fact at the time 202 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: counterfeit money. If you had it, it could be punishable 203 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: by death. Wait, just on your person, not that you 204 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: made it or you were to be using it. You 205 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: have it possession is yeah, that sounds okay, We're going. 206 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: So she's got some coins, she has some soap. She 207 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: has a little piece of soap wrapped up in a 208 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: cloth and like pinned to her outfit. Is there some 209 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: keep clean? I thought maybe she was like writing on soap. 210 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm from I don't know about she was going around 211 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: soaping people's windows. She knows how to write, and so 212 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: she because she's stumbling in and she's really not saying anything, 213 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: and she's just just like disheveled mess. They take her 214 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: to the house of the county magistrate and his name 215 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: is Samuel Warrel. Don't worry about it, and the county 216 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: magistrates basically the old school sheriff. Yeah, and I don't know, 217 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: I mean hose also like the lawyer these the law 218 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: of the land. Uh. So he and his wife have 219 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: this Greek servant who speaks all these languages and none 220 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: of them, none of the three of them can understand 221 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: what she's saying. She's like la and they're like, oh, 222 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't what can you keep going? So they finally 223 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: figure out that her name is Caribou, but not like 224 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: the animal like c A R A b oo, so 225 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: it's like the heart, the boo of my heart. So 226 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: she's like pointing at herself, all Caribou, Cariboo, like whatever 227 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: you say, lady, and everyone is trying to decode what 228 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: she's saying. So like travelers come through there sending out 229 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: messages like send us your language experts, and people show 230 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: up there. I don't know what she's saying wild. She 231 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: becomes like a challenge, like totally she's the she's the 232 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: local puzzle. Finally, this Portuguese sailor comes to town, which 233 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: like you know, I suppose happens, and he says, oh, 234 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: I can I can figure out what she's saying. It's 235 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: not a pure language, it's a mix. It's some from 236 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: the coast of Sumatra and other kind of aisles from 237 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: the east. And she tells him that she's from an 238 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: island called Java su Okay and that she was abducted 239 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: by pirates and that she jumped overboard and swam to shore. Okay, 240 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: and there she is. She's okay. So she's in Java, 241 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: Java Sue, sorry, Java Su, speaking her weird language. She's 242 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: abducted by pirates. The pirates then take her somewhere to 243 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: the Atlantic, where she jumps overboard. I would hope, so 244 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: unless it's like five miles off and she's one of 245 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: those long distance swimmers. So basically she's had to cross 246 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: the or either around like the Cape of Africa to 247 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa, and then you 248 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: come back up around the top and then she's got 249 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: to get up like trade winds, cross the equator and 250 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: then like get all the way up to England. That's 251 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: like heck of a journey. Yeah, that's her. And then 252 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: at the end of that she's like, you know what, 253 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm getting off this boat. But I've got my soap 254 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: and I've got my phony coins. So she she that's 255 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: how she said. Now we're she in the Portuguese sailor 256 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: and on this and he's like, oh, no, I can understand, 257 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: Like if he's saying she speaks this mix of languages, 258 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: don't know, he sounds fishy. Have you seen an istar? Yes, 259 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: there's the scene with Dustin Hoffman is doing the fake 260 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: language and Warren Beatty comes down and he pretends he 261 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: understands him that's going on. And I think that she 262 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: looked like Warren Beatty and he looked exactly like Dustin 263 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: Hoffman in the in the like the lithograph in my 264 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: head of Warren Batty was wearing a turban. So wait, 265 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: is that her life story? Um? So she he probably 266 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: was running his own con the Portuguese. He probably wasn't 267 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: even a Portuguese sailor. He's just you know, he's from Devonshire. Yeah, 268 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: and he's just pretending. So. But the thing is is 269 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: that everyone has this like hunger for the exotic, right. 270 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: They want to have this interesting person that's come into 271 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: their little village life and the worlds. The magistrate and 272 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: his wife are skeptical, but they decide, you know what, 273 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: we're all in. We believe her. This is great, We've 274 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: got this weird oddity in town. I think too that 275 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: this is like, this is the Georgian era. What does 276 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: that mean? I mean, I know what it means. What 277 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: does it mean? Well, I think what's more important it's 278 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: also the Romantic era, when you're talking about literature and 279 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: the arts, the Romanticism. So the writers and poets of 280 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: the day words Worth, Shelley Blake keats byronic huge influence 281 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: as those are the Romantic poets, um and they they 282 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: think that deep feelings are the most real thing, more 283 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: than reason, and everything is sort of pastoral. And they 284 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: also there's like a huge lean on orientalism in the 285 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: Romantic era. So you have like Samuel T. Coleridge's Kubla 286 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: Kan super heavy on the orientalism, and it becomes really, 287 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: you know, big thing with the public. There's always all 288 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: these exotic settings, supernatural, exotic, extravagant events, the characters, all 289 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: this other stuff. Right, So keeping that in mind of 290 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: what's kind of the zeitgeist of the time, Mary Slash 291 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: Caribou starts telling people she was born in China, and 292 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: I guess she's using her made up language to convey this. 293 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: She says she's born in China. She says her dad 294 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: is named Jessu Mandu. He's a nobleman. Natural, yeah, super 295 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: Chinese name. Says my dad was a farmer always yeah, 296 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: just like when people are reincarnated, it's yeah. And she 297 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: said her mom was a Malay woman and she her 298 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: mom was killed in a fight between cannibals. Between two 299 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: cannibals were fighting, and as she tried to stop it, 300 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: feeling like she had like a pirate adventure romantic era 301 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: um refrigerator magnet side, she's just thrown up. She's a pirates, 302 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: cannibals Chinese nobleman. Now this is also, this is this 303 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: English woman. I don't know how she's passed for Chinese. Well, 304 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you don't travel much, you 305 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: didn't know what Chinese looks like, a little bit like, 306 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: oh well this this must be Yeah, she said so, 307 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: but here's some other stuff. Right, so we know she 308 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: knows how to read, right, she knows the Hebrew alphabet. 309 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: She knows how to swim. She's also a really good fencer. 310 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: Why is she where is she getting less? I don't know. 311 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: So she's a fencer. She can use a bow and arrow. 312 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: Of course, I'm not even a question anything anymore. So, 313 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing is that you see 314 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: this woman and she's telling these crazy stories. But at 315 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: the same time she's got these mad skins, crazy skills. Yeah, 316 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm with it. So it's like what you can believe her. Yeah, 317 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: she's really in the skinny dipping Okay, who is it that? Really? 318 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: She also prayed to this god that she called Allah Talah. 319 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: She just always takes something and goes just to the 320 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: left of it. I've heard about Allah. What if it 321 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: doubled up? She's like, really know enough about Islam, so 322 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: I'll do an islam adjacent Ala to law. They stole 323 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: from our people, but from my people, and they took 324 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: that name. Like this incredible. You know, she's amazing grouping 325 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: of cultures that she's compiled, I suppose through her reading. 326 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: But again, how do you know how to fence? But 327 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: also this is like what eighteen fifteen, there's very little known. 328 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: There's very few people could be like that's actually not true, right, 329 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: But she would challenge people to sword fights and like 330 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: apparently she could fight with a sword in one hand 331 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: and a dagger in the other. She's like fighting Pirates style. Yeah, 332 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: totally her. And so do we know if she actually 333 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: ever was with pirates? No, the timing doesn't work that 334 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: she when she walks basically from Bristol and then it's 335 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: like help, help, somebody help, I just washed up on shore. 336 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: She shows up like seventy years past the end of 337 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: the age of piracy, so it's like, yeah, an old 338 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: pirate new she's like a leftover it was. It's like 339 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: you know those the guys like in World War two 340 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: who didn't know the war was over and there, Yeah, totally, 341 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: So like she's on one of those pirate ships that 342 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: they're just like like, why isn't there anything good? We're lost, man, 343 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: I've been drinking their own pe for like a decade. Sorry, 344 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: so help me a lot to law. Uh. They keep 345 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: trying to decode her language because don't forget she still 346 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: is acting like she doesn't speak English the whole time, 347 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: the whole time. And yeah, so she starts to you 348 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: know what, I'll write down my language. I am supposing 349 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: that we've retained the Portuguese sailor this whole time. So 350 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: he's like, let me act as the translator. She says, 351 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: she'll write it down. So she starts writing down her language. 352 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: They send it off to Oxford to be like where 353 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: where is this from? Help us? And they you know, 354 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: there's a down at Oxford in a row. He looks 355 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: it over and he gives this official verdict. What is it? 356 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: He calls it humbugs Oxford. You know, they have nothing 357 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: better to do than sit there and go no, big nope. 358 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: And this news comes back and people are still like, 359 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: she's amazing, isn't she This Chinese pirate queen. She's so convincing. 360 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: So she's acting like she doesn't understand English, and she's 361 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: eavesdropping on what people are saying about her, so she 362 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: can kind of know what they're expecting. And like someone's like, well, 363 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: if she is really from that region, she's probably I'm 364 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: not going to drink alcohol, and so she would turn 365 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: it down. So when they come in and they like 366 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: try and tricker like here have some brandy, and she's 367 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: like in her language, no, no, no, you know please no, 368 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: A lot to law wouldn't allow it. And she's like, oh, 369 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: well you know what she got us. So they're all 370 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: talking in front of her like, oh, she doesn't understand 371 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: what we say, but she knows everything. She's also secretly 372 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: studying these maps of like so that she can point 373 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: things out, and people would come with documents and she's 374 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: like reading them upside down because they think she can't 375 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: read in English, and she's really sneaky. Then she starts 376 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: making these appearances in London. They're like sending her off 377 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: to London as this amazing oddity, and she's getting into 378 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: the papers and it's getting oh yeah completely, so she's 379 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: like and they're like, oh my god, she's so amazing. 380 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: And then she like runs around with a dagger and 381 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: it really was and it doesn't take much. And so 382 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: she's in the papers and she's just like getting more 383 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: and more fame, which she knows she's got to love. 384 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: And then Mrs Neil picks up a newspaper. Remember Mrs Nei, 385 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: oh yeah, you told me to remember her. Yeah, did 386 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: you check your notes? So Mrs Neil reads about her 387 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 1: and it's like, you know what, I'm going to Bristol, 388 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: that little b I'm going down. She's just like she's 389 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure that she's like all mesmerized by this story. 390 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: And then sees a picture of her and it's like no, no, no, no, 391 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: no no, that's not Cariboo. No no, no, no, no, no, 392 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: load up, everybody. She calls her footman, load up and 393 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: off they go. So the jig looks to be up 394 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: that Cariboo has no idea that Mrs Neil has made. 395 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: There's no way. So she's just you know, doing some 396 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: light NiFe knife fighting in the yard and skinny dipping 397 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: and doing her thing, and here comes Mrs Neil galloping. 398 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: But maybe she's on lone horseback. She didn't load up 399 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: a carriage. Yeah, just like she she put her pocketbook 400 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: on and just got on the horse. Yeah. So I'm 401 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: gonna leave you with that tension of Mrs Neil racing 402 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: to Bristol. Don't and think about that, and then we're 403 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: going to take a short commercial break. So as I 404 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: was saying, Mary Slash Princess Cariboo, my girl doing her thing, 405 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, she's naked in a lake and Mrs and 406 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: then she drives off and reapplies her arched eyebrows, ties 407 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: up her turban dagger. Yeah. The other thing too, is 408 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: that like she was following like a vegetarian diet, which 409 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: freaked people out then because meats such like a you know, 410 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: commodity of like it's a good thing. And she really 411 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: liked curries and stuff really Yeah, so that was another thing. 412 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: We're like, oh, so anyway, so she's just like eating 413 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: a bowl of curry, some lentils. I just want to 414 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: she just got out of the lake Mrs Neil walks 415 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: into the house and let's pretend she just kicked the 416 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: door and yeah, and she says, ah, Mary, why are 417 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: you here? Wait a minute? She has all this time, 418 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: and that's her entry line. I mean, you gotta come on. 419 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: I thought that was stone cold Mary. Why are you here? Mary? 420 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: Why are you here? That's how I read it, And 421 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: she has an American accent. It's crazy. Yeah, I'm with you, 422 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm with you. It just means like I would be 423 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: like thinking about that line the whole way. Yeah, she was, 424 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: and she just honed it. Her eyes narrowed when she 425 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: said it, Mary, why are you here? There's so many 426 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: ways that you can Yeah, why are you here? Why 427 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: are you here? You can do that? Are you here? Mary? 428 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: The French? Mary comes clean? Because stone cold Mrs Neil 429 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: came in, squinted at her, said, sounding exactly like Clint Eastwood, 430 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: why are you here? And Mary's like, okay, fine, fine, 431 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: She starts speaking English. Everyone's just a dog like. Their 432 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: eyes went out of their faces. On springs. There's what 433 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: people like. People are running around, little kid's hair caught 434 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: on fire, Strangers are running into each other. It was chaos, pandemonium. 435 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: Cats and dogs living together. Everything comes crashing down for 436 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: Mary Cariboo and the poor townspeople. Their worlds or doesn't. 437 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: So now everybody knows that princess Herbs a fraud and 438 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: everything is exposed. Mrs Neil's like, oh no, she's not 439 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: a princess. Her dad's a cobbler. Oh no, her mom picks, 440 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: you know, weeds out of a wheat field. She was 441 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: once arrested for stealing a piece of cloths. This new 442 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: petty as yeah, and so you know, everything's exposed, and 443 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: what do you think happened? What? What do you think 444 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: happened to marry? At that point, the charming Portuguese gentleman 445 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: returns to the story, whisks her away, puts her on 446 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: her fishing vegetable, and they go down to the coast 447 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: of the Iberian Peninsula and live happily ever after eating 448 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: much better food that you know what Mary would have 449 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: Mary would have really liked that. Yeah, but see it's 450 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: not as not as bad as you think it'll be. 451 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: Instead of having this blame and calling her a fraud, 452 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: everyone feels really bad for her. They pity her. They're like, 453 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: oh man, she her life was so terrible. She had 454 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: to make all this stuff up, this poor little you know, 455 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: sprite Princess Cariboo. And the Press, the precursor to the 456 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: Daily Mail, they're like, this is awesome, this is amazing, 457 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: and they find it super amusing and entertaining. So they're 458 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: writing all these pieces about how she pulled one over 459 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: on all the rich people. And she's she's so talented 460 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: because i mean, let's face it, she does have all 461 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: these crazy skills. Um. But they love they love that 462 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: so many people fell for it. It was just like it. 463 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: They looked at the people who fell for it as 464 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: the idiots, and she was. She was a smart one 465 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: who got one over on everybody. It's kind of a 466 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: come up in's for the rich that everybody enjoys. Yeah, 467 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: and the press is like, you know what, you guys 468 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: were all asking for this to happen because you're so 469 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: caught up in how magical and exotic things are and 470 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: you want the latest weird stuff in your life. Well 471 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: this is what happens. So she's she's unscathed, right, So 472 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: she has you know, all of her benefactors and land 473 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: that have been parading her around and you know, treating 474 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: her to all this stuff. They decide that they are 475 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: going to help her reach her lifelong dream. Do you 476 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: remember what her lifelong dream was? Yes, they do, yes, Okay, 477 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: long time listener, first time call her. She wanted to 478 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: go to America. America. Yes, she like she wrote the 479 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: song that Neil Diamond would later record, Come and do 480 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: America exactly the very same. Think about it though, is 481 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: like we've just gone through the war, just gone through 482 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: the War of eighteen twelve. Oh yeah, fighting the British. Yeah, 483 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: and she's like, give me out of here, I'm gonna 484 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: go there and they'll love me. Then, so they put 485 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: her on a ship to America with three chaperones. Three 486 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: chaperones are they more like minders? There are three religious ladies. 487 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: I guess they're just there to make sure she doesn't 488 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: wild out in America. I've never been chaperone. I don't 489 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: know how it goes well or by three religious ladies. 490 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: No less well, you don't know about that. So this 491 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: is in June of eighteen seventeen. Now remember when did 492 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 1: this first all go down? You said you were taking notes. Yes, yes, 493 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: she was born in sev eighteen fifteen, I think is 494 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: when she was going April of eighteen seventeen seventeen. So 495 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: they put her on They put her on a boat 496 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: to America in June of eighteen seventeen. Account she only 497 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: got away with it for two months, but it was 498 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: the best two months. So she she gets to America 499 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: and she goes to Philadelphia, a city brother we love. 500 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: So she's all Caribou takes Philly. Um, she was not 501 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: much of a success. There was a tough city, tough, 502 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: tough town. They say through all batteries at people. Is 503 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: that where they have where's gritty? Yeah? He's the mascot 504 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: for the note for the Philly Flyers, right, Yeah, so 505 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: maybe she tried to perform in an early gritty costume 506 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: and it's just tall went. I think Philly has just 507 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: always been a really tough town. It's pretty amazing town. 508 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: It's great. I love it, but it's it's saying it's 509 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: a town. Everything that New York thinks about themselves Philly 510 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: is Yeah, they are actually walking the walk Philly and 511 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: Jill Scott's from Philly, Chilly from Philly. Yeah. So here's 512 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: Princess Caribou taking the stage. She's not really a financial success. 513 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: She's just this weird oddity that people are like, why 514 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: did I pay to see this woman like shadow box, 515 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, a pirate. I don't know. It's strange, So 516 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: that kind of peters out. Then she decides to go 517 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: to New York, New York City get a rope, so 518 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: she writes letters to the folks back home. She's complaining 519 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: about the horrors of celebrity, right, Okay, so it's like 520 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: she we know that she does not have a really 521 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: strong relationship with the truth. So she goes over there 522 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: and no one's really, you know, lauding her, and she's 523 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: this kind of sideshow act. But I love that she's 524 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: writing home, like, oh my god, I owe all. I 525 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: am dogged by my fans. My fan base is just 526 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: really strong. And I've been picturing her as Angelina Jolie 527 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: this whole time, and I think it works. Yeah, okay, 528 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: just like the personality, the way she's like, I'm an 529 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: eccentric and like I don't belong here, so I'm gonna 530 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: speak a made up language. And then you go to 531 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: New York goes I hate the celebrity yea. I wish 532 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: they would leave me alone. They're like who Yeah, It's 533 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: like the people who talk about their haters and no 534 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: one even knows who they are. I love when people 535 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: do that for you, you know, thank you, Like I 536 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: don't want to listen to the haters, Like people have 537 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: no idea who you are, what you're doing, so that 538 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: you don't even have dislikers. Yeah, Caribou was, she was 539 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: on that on that vibe back then. So she wears 540 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: out her welcome in New York because no one cares. 541 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: She goes back to England. No one cares, especially for 542 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: someone like her. But she decides to, you know, just 543 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: live her life. So she is reformed. She's no longer 544 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: Princess Cariboo. She's back to being Mary, and she still 545 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 1: Mary Baker, Mary Baker. Yeah, and she marries a really 546 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: nice guy, has a baby girl baby you know, grows up, 547 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: thrives um. She spends the rest of her life doing 548 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: a job. And take a guess. If you're a former 549 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: Java supe princess who knows how to fight pirates in 550 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: sword play and I'm good and close with a knife 551 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 1: for close up work, yeah, I would say my next 552 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: job is probably gonna be giving guided tours of the 553 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: mermaids off the coast. That's close. That's close. She she 554 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: sells leeches for the rest of her life, like surgeons, 555 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: I need something to believe. Yeah, but you know what 556 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: the thing is in my mind, my imagined detail is 557 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: that she gathers the leeches by skinny dipping, and then 558 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: she gets out and it's like peel them from my buddy. No, 559 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm not skinny dipping, And then a bunch of leeches 560 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: were attaching themselves to her body, like yeah, well, anyway, um, 561 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: what is this Japanese animal? She went from having being 562 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: like the local novelty to making her way to America 563 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: and making it into the papers and such comes back 564 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: lives this life of anonymous leechmongering. And she got buried 565 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: in an unmarked grave, so we can't even go lay 566 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: some leeches on her headstone. But that's the story of 567 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: Princess Caribou. There's an interesting in September of eighteen seventeen, 568 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: so she'd already hoofed it back to England by then. 569 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: This there's a newspaper in Newbern, North Carolina that ran 570 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: this little piece. I'm going to read it to you. 571 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: It's it's such a typical sentence structure of that time. 572 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: And Meanders takes his time Okay, are you gonna read 573 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: it in like an accent? It's from North Carolina. I 574 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: could do that, but I'm not going to. So the bubble, 575 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 1: which during the last five or six weeks has formed 576 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: a rich theme for the ridicule of every person who 577 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: deserves credit for an ordinary share of common sense, has 578 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: at length burst. Miss Caribou, who talked heathen Greek, swam 579 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: like a fish, dived like a duck, worshiped the sun, 580 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: flourished a dagger, and ate curry, and they italicized Curry 581 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: in the paper, proves to be neither more nor less 582 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: than playing Mary Baker, the erratic child of honest parents 583 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: in the humble village of with Ridge in the County 584 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: of Devon m So. I thought that sums it up 585 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: really nicely. Like here, you know, all these people who 586 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: should have common sense, and like this her story is 587 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: totally illogical. They got caught up in it. She has 588 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: all these skills, but she's just playing all Mary Baker, 589 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: the curry eaten son, worshiping, dagger, flourishing duck, diving, fish, swimming, 590 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: heathen Greek speaking Queen Mary. So she had a good 591 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: six week run, and I really hope it gave her 592 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: a lifetime of good memories. Oh yeah, I respect to 593 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: charlottean game. What's your ridiculous takeaway here? Um, don't go 594 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: swimming to attract leeches. Only if you have to dive 595 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: off a pirate ship, exactly. And if you get offered 596 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: a chance on a pirate ship, don't jump off. Don't 597 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: jump off, just stay on. She could have, well she didn't. Actually, Um, 598 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: you know, Joan Didion said, we tell ourselves stories in 599 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: order to live. 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