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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Mitt Romney says GOP policies don't

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Speaker 1: always align with the working class. We have such a

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Speaker 1: great show for you today. The Lincoln Project's own Rick

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Speaker 1: Wilson joins us to discuss the political realignment after the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election. Then we will talk to Congresswoman

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Speaker 1: soon to be goubernatorial candidate Mikey Cheryl about her home

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Speaker 1: state of New Jersey and what it means to run

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Speaker 2: But first the news, SAMII, I saw a lot of

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Speaker 2: people very very very mad on the tech steps since

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Speaker 2: we're all using three different short form text steps. Now

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Speaker 2: that ABY is giving into a fifteen million dollar Trump settlement,

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Speaker 2: what do you see here?

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Speaker 1: So basically, Donald Trump very very just always been like

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Speaker 1: he's of the theory that if you bring people into

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Speaker 1: court enough times, they will leave you alone. And in

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Speaker 1: this case it actually did work. ABC News is going

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Speaker 1: to pay fifteen million dollars and they are also going

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Speaker 1: and they issued a public apology in order to settle

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Speaker 1: a defamation suit. So this is like one of those

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Speaker 1: banana banana situations where Stephanopolis said that Trump was found

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Speaker 1: libel for rape in connection to the Egene Carol lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: Now this is like neither verdict involved a finding of

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Speaker 1: rape as defined under New York law. So it was

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Speaker 1: sexual misconduct sexual assault, but it was not technically rape

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Speaker 1: term rape. And so while this may seem a semantic argument,

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Speaker 1: he did. Actually the legal definition did not track with

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Speaker 1: what Stephanopolos said. A lot of judges would have thrown

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Speaker 1: this out because it's not you know, he's a public figure.

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Speaker 1: There's a much lower bar to harm when it's a

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Speaker 1: it should This really would not have been a case

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Speaker 1: and magial world is more aggressive, and we're having stuff

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Speaker 1: like this. Now, why do I think ABC settled this case?

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Speaker 1: I as not a lawyer who does not play one

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Speaker 1: very transactional, so he will in fact play for pay,

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Speaker 1: or that's what history. History has dictated that he's willing

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Speaker 1: that is going to be very fraud And by doing this,

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Speaker 1: ABC has now created a roadmap for suing for defamation

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Speaker 1: for things that are not necessarily really straight deformation. Straight

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Speaker 1: defamation should be things like when a Fox News anchor

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Speaker 1: says something they know is not true, right.

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Speaker 2: Like Jesse Waters does on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 1: Right says they know something said something they know is

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Speaker 1: not true to malign someone. So for example, you know,

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Speaker 1: But this is a kind of you know, this is

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, would it have been better for Stephanopolos

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Speaker 2: I was recently reflecting, you know, we've almost been doing

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Speaker 1: Another very litigious fellow, Devin Newness.

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Speaker 2: Once what Suita Twitter accounts.

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Speaker 1: One suit of Twitter account of a cow the young

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Speaker 1: chairman of the President's and Intelligence Advisory Board. He's not

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Speaker 1: renouncing his job. He's not renouncing his outside business issues

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Speaker 2: You know, what I keep thinking about is that there's

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Speaker 2: it can be whole new tombs of law for law

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Speaker 2: most Notably, we also have this case with one doctor Oz.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Oz. You'll remember him as having run for

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Speaker 1: multimillion dollar conflict of interest. Shockingly, as opposed to everyone

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Speaker 1: But the idea here is that somehow taking that away

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Speaker 3: OBALI John Fast. How are you this fine?

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Speaker 1: After an I like that you are, like you seem

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Speaker 1: really depressed. I feel like we're in that period pre

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Speaker 4: Look, generally speak, this is that window where people try

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Speaker 3: Could turn out to be okay, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, and they know what this game is and

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Speaker 4: they play it with themselves over and over again, and

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Speaker 4: every single time it's like, wait, I didn't know he

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Speaker 4: the fucking round has proceeded. The finding out will soon begin.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it definitely seems like there is no and

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Speaker 1: no moment has Donald Trump signaled that he is planning

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, there is as of now, no obvious departure

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Speaker 4: It's not going to be the same. Of course it is.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the leadership. So one of the

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Speaker 1: How to harness populism?

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Speaker 1: Right, and also that he was not bound by the truth, right.

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Speaker 4: Quite without exaggeration. It is very difficult to find anyone

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Speaker 4: is in the majority. Okay, there's a reason for that.

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Speaker 4: He's not good at this work. This bullshit. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: wait and see and figure it out and see if

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Speaker 4: we can find the moment to pounce.

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Speaker 3: It is unfun.

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Speaker 4: It's like saying, well, I know the Germans just rolled

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Speaker 4: through Belgium and they're gonna take France, but we might

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Speaker 4: as well just sit back and wait.

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Speaker 3: You cannot.

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Speaker 4: You cannot let these people get ahead of steam. You

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Speaker 4: cannot let them build up momentum. Look, Trump is going

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Speaker 4: to try to push through in the front end. They're

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Speaker 4: going to try a lot of crazy shit. Okay, it's

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Speaker 4: going to hurt, it's going to be nuts. It's going

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Speaker 4: to be terrible, and people who are not ready for

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Speaker 4: it are going to be shocked how fast it moves.

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Speaker 4: This idea of we're going to wait for our honorable

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Speaker 4: friends on the other side to see reason and light

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Speaker 4: and do the right thing. Have you met these people.

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Speaker 1: We are in an insane moment in American life. The

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Speaker 1: House is really tight. The Senate again, they don't have

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Speaker 1: the majority they need to break a filibuster. It strikes

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Speaker 1: me that there was a fair amount of warning about

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Speaker 1: Trump trying to do these try to do recess appointments

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Speaker 1: like they're clearly not going to go along with it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, whether or not Trump does it, who knows,

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Speaker 1: but sort of Democrats should do right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I think I think every one of these nominees,

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Speaker 4: and some of them are going to go through. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying they're not going to. Some of them

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Speaker 4: are going to go through. Listen, Marco is going to

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Speaker 4: get through, pambody is going to get through. A lot

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Speaker 4: of them are going to go through. But the Democrats

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Speaker 4: need in every single one of these nomination fights they do,

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Speaker 4: make them all into fights. They need to say, here's

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Speaker 4: what Project twenty twenty five is going to look like,

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Speaker 4: here's what they're going to do. Get them on the record.

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Speaker 4: Get these people on the record. Joe when Taught, when

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Speaker 4: Homan from you know, on.

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Speaker 1: The wann just say whatever. I mean. Holman is not

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Speaker 1: even trying to hide it at all.

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Speaker 3: Well, but here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: I want those people to have those pieces of video

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Speaker 4: on the record. I want them to know. You know,

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Speaker 4: those things are going to become ads later, those things

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Speaker 4: are going to hurt their candidacies later on the Republican side,

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Speaker 4: that these people aren't going to get like the my

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Speaker 4: honorable friend nod and a wink bullshit And look, you know,

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Speaker 4: Marco Rubia, they need to be asking him questions.

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Speaker 3: Like this, Marco.

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Speaker 4: When Donald Trump says he wants to not do Article

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Speaker 4: five with NATO, what is the position of the State

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Speaker 4: Department on Article five with NATO? What is your position

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Speaker 4: on Ukraine? What will you be doing viz Israel and

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Speaker 4: the fight with Hamas that is not related to Trump.

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Speaker 4: I think these people are going to have to do

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Speaker 4: a lot of things that aren't on the agenda yet,

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Speaker 4: and so we want to make sure that they are

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Speaker 4: on the record about how they're going to govern, how

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Speaker 4: they're going to lead, what they're going to do in

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Speaker 4: these departments, because if they're not, it will just be,

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Speaker 4: you know, they will have nothing but the whim of

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Speaker 4: Trump to guide them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's right, and it's also I think

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Speaker 1: that like there is a real opportunity here for Democrats

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Speaker 1: to remind us what we're doing a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, as always, my friend. I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Congresswoman Mikey Cheryl represents New Jersey's eleventh congressional district and

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Speaker 1: is a candidate for governor in the Democratic primary in

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Speaker 1: the state of New Jersey. Welcome to Fast Politics, Mikey.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Great to be back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, delighted to have you. You're in Congress. I want

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Speaker 1: you first to talk about what it's like right now

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Speaker 1: in Congress.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think there is this like just general

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Speaker 5: need for grit right now in the democratic way to

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Speaker 5: just move forward in the best possible way to serve

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Speaker 5: the most amount of people while protecting what we can,

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Speaker 5: but being really clear eyed about it, because I have

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Speaker 5: to tell you the attacks have already started on vulnerable populations,

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Speaker 5: and there are going to be areas where the federal

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Speaker 5: government legislates in ways that are really harmful people, including kids,

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Speaker 5: really harmful to you know, a lot of the work

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Speaker 5: we have done to create a more stable economy, to

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Speaker 5: create a better pathward for opportunity for the most amount

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Speaker 5: of people, to run government more efficiently, which creates equity

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Speaker 5: in and of itself. So there's just a lot that

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Speaker 5: we're going to see rollbacks on. And when we tell

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Speaker 5: people elections have consequences. Boy, are we going to be

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Speaker 5: paying the price. So it is incumbent upon Democrats to

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Speaker 5: con continue to move forward, to continue to connect with

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Speaker 5: constituents and to say, look, this is where we can

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Speaker 5: move forward. These are the things we can do. And

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Speaker 5: I'm going to continue to look for those bipartisan coalitions

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Speaker 5: of people and those areas where we can move forward.

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Speaker 5: And there are always those pockets. I am really disappointed.

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Speaker 5: I had hoped in this Congress one of those areas

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Speaker 5: would be the Kids Online Safety Act, because that was

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Speaker 5: really bipartisan in the Senate. And I don't know why

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Speaker 5: Mike Johnson and Scalise have decided that they don't want

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Speaker 5: to protect kids online. I mean, I am getting NonStop

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Speaker 5: complaints from my district. I see it in my own home.

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Speaker 5: Parents are just unable to sort of deal with the

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Speaker 5: onslaught of the algorithms and the new apps and what

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Speaker 5: kids have access to. So even if, for example, I

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Speaker 5: took away all of my children's smartphones, they get issued

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Speaker 5: computers at their school that they have access to, and

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Speaker 5: so there is just an ability of parents to control

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Speaker 5: it all. And I think a sense that we're all

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Speaker 5: failing because you're you know, we're constantly being told as parents, Oh,

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Speaker 5: there's these protocols and protections that if you want to,

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Speaker 5: you can sign up for and you can protect your

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Speaker 5: children online. Well, it's a full time job because, as

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Speaker 5: we all well know, the apps changed quickly. Our kids

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Speaker 5: have a much better understanding of technology and can override

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Speaker 5: a lot of these protectings. I remember when my daughter

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Speaker 5: was eleven, her friend was grounded because her parents kept

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Speaker 5: putting safety restrictions on her phone and she kept, you know,

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Speaker 5: working around them, and the answer was they hadn't found one.

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Speaker 5: I guess she couldn't crack. So the answer what she

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Speaker 5: got grounded. But I mean it's really really difficult, and

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Speaker 5: you know, we're not seeing movement here. So but I

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Speaker 5: still think I can build a broad coalition as we

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Speaker 5: go into the next Congress, and I'm still going to

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Speaker 5: work on that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that happened was you guys passed

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Speaker 1: a military funding bill and Mike Johnson put some stuff

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Speaker 1: in there at the last minute. Can you talk about that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So it was really bad.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty unusual, too, right, and very unusual.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So we conference the bill, meaning what happens is

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Speaker 5: we have hearings all year. As you can imagine, the

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Speaker 5: Defense Bill, it's, you know, almost half the nation's budget.

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Speaker 5: It's a huge piece of legislation. I sit on the

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Speaker 5: House Arms Services Committee, and that's unusual in and of itself,

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Speaker 5: because we only pass one bill basically, and it's the

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Speaker 5: Defense Act. And so we spend all year hearing about

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Speaker 5: what our nation's national defense needs are, what are the concerns,

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Speaker 5: Where are we not supporting our soldiers and sailors as

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Speaker 5: well as we should be. So we spend all year

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Speaker 5: dealing with this. We come together after months of hearings,

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Speaker 5: both public hearings, and then we go into it's called

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Speaker 5: a skiff, so we can do secret hearings and make

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Speaker 5: sure that we're getting all the information we need to

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Speaker 5: really push in this in the places that protect our

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Speaker 5: national security and take care of our service members. And

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Speaker 5: so we then get to the Defense Act and we

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Speaker 5: pass this bill. Sometimes it takes you twenty four hour.

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Speaker 5: I mean I've been there. I've gotten in there at

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Speaker 5: nine in the morning and not gotten out until seven

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Speaker 5: am the next morning. I mean, we pull Allas, yeah,

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Speaker 5: which I don't think I really believed when I heard

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Speaker 5: it and experience it We spend all night just going

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Speaker 5: over this bill, and we craft it. We get the

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Speaker 5: bill done, it goes onto the floor. People outside the

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Speaker 5: committee work to amend it. We try to make sure

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Speaker 5: that we're continuing to move forward on a bipartisan bill.

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Speaker 5: We work really hard. This bill has passed every year.

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Speaker 5: It is so unusual to in these times get a

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Speaker 5: piece of legislation that passes every year. So it's really

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Speaker 5: important to us that we continue to do that because

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Speaker 5: the national security of the nation should never be sort

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Speaker 5: of a part is an issue. So we keep working

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Speaker 5: to do that. We get the bill done. We then

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Speaker 5: conference the bill, meaning we take the Senate's defense bill,

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Speaker 5: we take the Houses defense bill, and then we meet

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Speaker 5: to conference them so that we can get you know,

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Speaker 5: get an agreement on what the final piece of legislation

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Speaker 5: will be. All that had been done, there was an agreement,

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Speaker 5: it was teed up to be put on the floor,

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Speaker 5: and at the eleventh hour, I assume, because you know,

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Speaker 5: he got the sort of word and nod from Trump,

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Speaker 5: which really I think shows the concerns that many of

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Speaker 5: us have with an independent legislature in these times. Gets

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Speaker 5: the call from Trump, and Johnson subverts everything and puts

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Speaker 5: in this piece of legislation that will block medical treatment

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Speaker 5: and therapy for trans children, so families in the military

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Speaker 5: can't get access to that, which is just horrible.

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Speaker 1: But also Republicans in leadership were furious too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody, I mean, this was this was one person

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Speaker 5: Trump talking to, you know, somebody who is I guess

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Speaker 5: just his total follower, Johnson, who is a Speaker of

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Speaker 5: the House should be an independent voice our government, and

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Speaker 5: is not telling him, Yeah, just subvert the whole system

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Speaker 5: up in the apple cart.

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Speaker 1: And he did.

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Speaker 5: And so we got this piece of legislation, and you know,

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Speaker 5: we're looking at it and here we have the national

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Speaker 5: security at stake. We also and it wasn't just dealing

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Speaker 5: with drones, which we're having a huge issue with over

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Speaker 5: New Jersey. It wasn't just supporting cybercom to deal with,

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Speaker 5: you know, protection of our networks. It wasn't just how

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Speaker 5: we are going to deter aggression from China and how

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Speaker 5: we are going to be ready to deal with the

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Speaker 5: problems throughout the world like Ukraine and the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: But also getting a pay raise for sailors who are

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Speaker 5: on food stamps, getting contraception prescriptions extended from three months

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Speaker 5: to one year. Imagine if you're a service woman and

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Speaker 5: you're going non deployments for six months getting you know,

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Speaker 5: there were some really innovative things, getting women's eggs frozen.

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Speaker 5: Imagine if you're a service you know, and the lifestyle

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Speaker 5: end and serving with burn pits and other pathages. I mean,

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Speaker 5: amazing stuff. And then this, So it was a really

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Speaker 5: I think it's a sign of things to come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so speaking of bad signs of things to come,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Pete hegg set It's that's not that's it.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about.

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Speaker 5: Because yeah, we need to talk. I don't even know

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Speaker 5: where to begin. I am so incredibly disappointed that, again,

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Speaker 5: which should be an independent branch of government, the Senate,

647
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Speaker 5: seems to be caving to Trump. I mean, there is

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Speaker 5: a reason the Constitution has advice and consent, and it

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Speaker 5: is for just the moment when an irrational president puts

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Speaker 5: forth a nominee like Pete Hegseet for the Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a person that on every single

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Speaker 5: level is unqualified for this position. Somebody said to me,

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Speaker 5: we were talking about whether or not he would get

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Speaker 5: through the Senate, and I said, it just seems like

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Speaker 5: he's got that momentum. And they said, well, you know,

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Speaker 5: maybe if just you know, another shoe drops, and I said,

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Speaker 5: what shoe are you waiting for? He has got credible

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Speaker 5: sexual assault claims, has problems with intoxication, he has sexual

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Speaker 5: harassment claims. He has been unable to run small veterans

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Speaker 5: organizations or has run them into the ground. He has,

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Speaker 5: you know, in every single level. If there is any

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Speaker 5: qualification you may think of to be the area of defense,

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Speaker 5: he has not met it in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 5: And then furthermore, has said women shouldn't be in combat,

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Speaker 5: which man I graduated thirty years ago with the first

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Speaker 5: class of women to be able to serve on combatant

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Speaker 5: ships and aircraft. And I have to tell you it

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Speaker 5: has been a game changer for women in service. They

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Speaker 5: are no longer second class citizens and because of that,

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Speaker 5: they have thrived, They have come to the fore. And

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Speaker 5: now we have a woman who is the CNO, and

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Speaker 5: who was a CEO of an aircraft carrier, and who's

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Speaker 5: the superintendent of the Naval Academy. I mean, women competing

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Speaker 5: in our military at the highest possible levels. And all

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Speaker 5: that's been put in jeopardy. Imagine thirty years of service

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Speaker 5: to the Navy and the growth of this professional navy,

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Speaker 5: the best fighting force in the world, and Pete Hegseth

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Speaker 5: is going to go in there and try to tear

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Speaker 5: down all that we have built. It's shocking. It's shocking

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Speaker 5: that this is going to possibly get through the Senate.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about you, what your plans are next? Sure?

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Speaker 5: So I am running to be the next governor of

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Speaker 5: the great State of New Jersey, which is exciting for

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Speaker 5: so many reasons. And the possibilities in our state just

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Speaker 5: feel somewhat endless. But the challenges in our state also

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Speaker 5: feel somewhat endless. But it's such an exciting thing to

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Speaker 5: take on such an exciting role. But it's also a

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Speaker 5: unique opportunity because there are only two statewide race is

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, and that's the governor's race for New

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Speaker 5: Jersey and the governor's race for Virginia. So the opportunity

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Speaker 5: here when we know that we lost the presidency, we

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Speaker 5: don't have a majority in the Senate, we don't have

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Speaker 5: a majority in the House. The opportunity for I think

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Speaker 5: leadership and vision comes from democratic governors. This sets the

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Speaker 5: table for that future, and it just feels like such

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Speaker 5: an exciting opportunity, especially given that you know, I'm sitting

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Speaker 5: here in Washington today we just voted. Being here is

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Speaker 5: really tough, and it's really tough to see the way forward.

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Speaker 5: We're just all trying to hold the line until twenty six.

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Speaker 5: So to have the ability to run for an office

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Speaker 5: where you can actually have a proactive vision and engage

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Speaker 5: in that feels great. I have to say, it feels

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Speaker 5: really great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I have just been to Washington recently,

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Speaker 1: and the vibes, I mean, I was meeting with some

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Speaker 1: different congress people just too I'm friendly with them. The

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Speaker 1: vibes are so fucking bad. I mean, it just feels

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Speaker 1: like hard to imagine how this is not going to

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Speaker 1: end in tears.

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Speaker 5: I think the vibes are bad because we've been through it.

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Speaker 5: Many of us have actually been in office when Trump

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Speaker 5: was president, and it's tough. And the way I put

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Speaker 5: it to people who've not had that experience is he

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Speaker 5: does something that you think is the worst attack on

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Speaker 5: our democratic system of government, or is the worst case

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Speaker 5: of self dealing by any president of the United States,

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Speaker 5: or is doing something that is going to harm so

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Speaker 5: many people but enrich himself or his family. And he

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Speaker 5: does that thing, and you start to get to work, right,

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Speaker 5: like you gather the forces, you investigate it, you go

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Speaker 5: study the constitutional scholars, you know, you start to think

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Speaker 5: of the communications plan and the legislative plan and how

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Speaker 5: you are going to address this and bring people together

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Speaker 5: so that this never happens again, or you block what's

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Speaker 5: going on. And before you get about a quarter of

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Speaker 5: the way through this big effort, he's done five other

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Speaker 5: things that are equally awful, and so it's just churn.

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Speaker 5: So that's why I think people in Washington are so

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Speaker 5: grim and resolute, because we understand that now, and we

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Speaker 5: are going to have a proactive vision and we're not

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Speaker 5: going to get into the mailstorm of whatever this is

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Speaker 5: going to be, but rather fight on the legislative floor,

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Speaker 5: fight on the floor of the House everything we can.

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Speaker 5: And remember in the House we have that really slim majority,

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Speaker 5: made even slimmer by Trump pulling three people out of

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Speaker 5: the House, and then at the same time coming up

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Speaker 5: with our proactive vision, having the democratic governors lead on that.

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Speaker 5: In the States, now the laboratories of democracies they were

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Speaker 5: envisioned to be figuring out the path forward and then

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Speaker 5: you know, really showing that compelling path to the American people.

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Speaker 5: In other words, it doesn't have to be this real

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Speaker 5: horror show of sexual assaults and sexual harassment and demeaning

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Speaker 5: of women, and demeaning of families who want to get

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Speaker 5: medical care for their children, and demeaning of the military,

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Speaker 5: and I mean, on every level. Doesn't have to be

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Speaker 5: that our values are strong in the States, and we

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Speaker 5: are going to make sure that we take our case

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Speaker 5: to our constituents and not only win in twenty five,

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Speaker 5: but then set the table I think compellingly for a

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Speaker 5: vision of the future that's going to actually be I

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Speaker 5: think what flips the House in twenty six.

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Speaker 1: New Jersey is a largely blue state. This election will

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Speaker 1: actually take place at the primary level, really, so talk

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Speaker 1: to us about what your primary contest is starting to

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Speaker 1: shape up today.

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Speaker 5: I think what's exciting is there are just a lot

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Speaker 5: of people that are looking at this as a really

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Speaker 5: key moment in our state's history and the vision of

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Speaker 5: going forward. So I am in a six way primary,

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Speaker 5: which is something that we don't normally see in your Jersey.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think we have different competing visions, and

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Speaker 5: it's something as the front runner in the race, it's

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Speaker 5: something I actually love to hear the different ideas of

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Speaker 5: the different candidates because I think they make my candidacy

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Speaker 5: stronger as people push in on different efforts to really say, Okay,

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Speaker 5: I need to address that. Oh wow, that's really interesting

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Speaker 5: coming from this community or this group of people. I

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Speaker 5: need to address that. So I actually think it's going

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Speaker 5: to make everyone more thoughtful candidates and going forward kind

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Speaker 5: of going through the rigor of a primary, coming out

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Speaker 5: of it with again just a really great vision for

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Speaker 5: the state and even for many states across the nation

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Speaker 5: to follow.

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Speaker 1: So you're not going to talk to ash about any

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Speaker 1: of your primary challengers.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I won't go that far. It's right, that's just

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Speaker 5: not a thing in my state, right, Like we're tough competitors.

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Speaker 5: Nobody's gonna just you know, there will hash talk, yes,

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Speaker 5: that will be coming, but what will be as important

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Speaker 5: is really the vision. And that's actually why I think

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Speaker 5: my candidacy has been so impactful in the state is

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Speaker 5: because the state, I think people myself included, I think

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Speaker 5: they want new leadership and a fresh perspective, and what

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Speaker 5: speaks to people in these tough times, when they see

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Speaker 5: so many people in office who are self dealing and

786
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Speaker 5: acting as if this is all all the things we

787
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Speaker 5: thought about government are fake, and that everybody's just in

788
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Speaker 5: it to make a buck or to secure power for themselves.

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Speaker 5: I think it is incumbent upon me to show that

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Speaker 5: that is not the case. That the majority of us

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Speaker 5: are in public service because we desperately and deeply want

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Speaker 5: to serve the public. I want to make the state

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Speaker 5: of New Jersey the best possible state in the nation.

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Speaker 5: And I want that because I have four kids who

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Speaker 5: I want to move back to the state. I was

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Speaker 5: just at a by a Harvard professor who tacks about happiness,

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Speaker 5: and you know, it's funny because if I'd heard this tack,

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Speaker 5: if I had been some young, you know, graduate student

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Speaker 5: in my twenties, maybe wouldn't have resonated because I wanted

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Speaker 5: to seek adventurancy the world. But he was saying, you know,

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Speaker 5: one of the keys to happiness is your family and

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Speaker 5: your interactions and having your family around. And at this

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Speaker 5: stage in my life, that speaks to me. You know,

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Speaker 5: I want all my kids. I have four kids. I

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Speaker 5: want them all to move back and live in town

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Speaker 5: with me. I realize that's a bit of a pipe dream.

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Speaker 5: And when I Old Night Contrarian twelve year old that vision,

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Speaker 5: she said she was going to go live in China.

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Speaker 5: But nevertheless, still working towards that. But you know, you

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Speaker 5: look at New Jersey and costs are too high. The

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Speaker 5: thought of my kids actually being able to afford coming

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Speaker 5: home seems hard. That's what one of the things that

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Speaker 5: drives me is. I want to serve the people of

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Speaker 5: New Jersey and at the same time, I want to

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Speaker 5: make New Jersey the kind of place our kids can

816
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Speaker 5: live and our kids can have opportunity, and the future

817
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Speaker 5: looks bright. So maybe the end of the day, it

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Speaker 5: is a little self serving right my kids to live

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Speaker 5: for me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, really appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you well, back at you. I love your podcast

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Speaker 5: and thanks again.

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Speaker 4: No moment fuck Rick Wilson, Molli Jong Fast, what is

824
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Speaker 4: your moment of fuckery? My favorite moment of fuckery this

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Speaker 4: week is the unbelievable tension and ugliness between Ron De

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Speaker 4: Santis and Donald Trump. There is a reason Pete Hexath

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Speaker 4: is still the nominee for Secretary of Defense, and that

828
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Speaker 4: is because Ron de Santis will not make Laura Trump

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Speaker 4: US Senator as with Marco Leaving. They want him to

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Speaker 4: make Laura Trump. They want this dynastic fantasy to live

831
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Speaker 4: out in first in the form of Laura Trump is

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Speaker 4: slow Eric's wife and make her the US Senator from Florida.

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Speaker 4: DeSantis doesn't want to do it. If he does it,

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Speaker 4: he can't give it to because he's going to run

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Speaker 4: for it in two years.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: We think he's going to run because I thought he

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Speaker 1: was sort of well.

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Speaker 4: He's this is what I'm hearing from from that universe.

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Speaker 4: He wanted to put either Janet Nunez, his lieutenant governor

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Speaker 4: who's loyal to him, or his chief of staff James

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Speaker 4: Utmeyer into that job, or Casey into that job. Now

843
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Speaker 4: Trump has been pressuring him. Trump World has been pressuring him.

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Speaker 4: Susie Wilds, who hates Ron De Santis, has been using

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Speaker 4: this to further diminish him. It is a great piece

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Speaker 4: of fuckery inside Trump World, and it speaks to a

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Speaker 4: larger question. These people are going to eat themselves in

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Speaker 4: a lot of cases.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a real thing. Is let them

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Speaker 1: go and get each other fight. Rick Wilson, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Anytime I've talked to you. Soon. Bye bye.

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