1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noll. They called 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decads. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: want you to know. It is time once again, fellow 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists for one of our favorite weekly segments, listener Mail. 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: We have scoured through the hinter lands of the Internet. 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: We've talked with you on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Crossroads at Midnight, 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: all the hits, and we have We've chosen some stories 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: that we feel will be of great interest to the 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: best part of the show you, specifically you. We're going 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: to talk a lot about our overpopulation episode. We're going 17 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: to be introduced to a mystery. We're also going to 18 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: open with just some some general updates. So the first 19 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: part of this segment is going to be uh we'd 20 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: called the cavalcade a corn copia at the very least 21 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: of some some things that have been on our minds collectively. Uh, 22 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: I think maybe we start out by shouting out a 23 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: guy that we we have spoken with, not all in person, 24 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: regarding augmented reality and virtual reality. Now, Matt, know you 25 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: will recall when last we we spoke about this stuff. 26 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: We were kind of on the fed. It's about a 27 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: couple of things. But I think we all agreed this metaverse, 28 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: whatever it ends up being called, is somewhat inevitable. Do 29 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: we still hold that opinion? I don't know. I mean, 30 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: the metaverse has kind of become a bit of a 31 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: of a goof in terms of how much Facebook has 32 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: put their eggs in that particular meta basket. Are metas 33 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: rather just put their eggs in that particular meta basket 34 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: and doesn't seem like it's going super well. Um. Augmented reality, 35 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: on the other hand, seems to me like a much 36 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: more viable version of this kind of experience where you 37 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: can overlay things data, you know, scavenger hunts, all kinds 38 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: of things that it incorporate the real world, because we 39 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: do still have a real world at this point, which 40 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: I think is is important to consider. Maybe when the 41 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: world becomes uninhabitable, virtual reality meta verse situations might be 42 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: a little more attractive. Yeah, to that point, I think 43 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: meta is a really, really good bet that's not going 44 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: to pay off until ten years from now. But when 45 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: it does pay off, the metaverse is gonna be so awesome. 46 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: In that bunker, I changed that bunker, yes, well, put again, 47 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: this is the reason I'm saying metaverse or whatever it 48 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: ends up being called, is because first to the post 49 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: does not always mean the person who wins the game, right. 50 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: Medicinal beverages were all over the US before Coca Cola 51 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: became a thing, right, and now it dominates that market. 52 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: This is primarily a teaser here for a guy we're 53 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: going to be talking to later this year named Chris Pilcher, 54 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: mixed reality artist that we randomly ran into. We're in conversations. 55 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: This guy has gone through m I T UH. Actually 56 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: he's hanging with m I T right now, UH, and 57 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: he is combining the world of art, high art, fine art, 58 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: and performance media with UH with augmented reality. This dude 59 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: is someone who's going to be very exciting to speak 60 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: with and heard back from him recently. So really, this 61 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: is a call out to our fellow conspiracy realist folks. 62 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: If you have questions about the future of a r 63 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: v R, you have thoughts, uh, please send them any 64 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: any way you want to contact us, anyway you want 65 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: to contact anybody on the show, let us know, because 66 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: we're looking forward to this, assuming the world still spinds. 67 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to take some time to give a special 68 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: shout out here to a long time listener of the 69 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: show who goes by Unwilling Stardust. Now you'll recognize perhaps 70 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: that handle because Unwilling start Us reach out to us 71 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: not too long ago when we were talking about the 72 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: ongoing protest and instability in Iran. As I last spoke 73 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: with Stardust, they were going to a protest with no 74 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: clue about their safety. I want to just read a 75 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: brief excerpt here and maybe we can react to this. 76 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: All right, So unwilling to start us as First of all, 77 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: according to the Islamic Republic, revolutionary guards, having an improper 78 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: JAB will now have serious consequences. The range goes from 79 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: having to pay a huge fee to having to do 80 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: many hours of social work, uh, and up to including oh, 81 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: let's just read this. Uh. It happened to a prisoner who, 82 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: as a journalist is social work, was writing a one 83 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: page article about why the Islamic Republic is so amazingly good. Uh. 84 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: They can also be imprisoned, Their belongings can be taken away, cars, electronics, 85 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: especially social media devices, and they are forced out of 86 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: their city to live an exile cannot leave the country. 87 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: The crimes cannot be argued in court. There is no 88 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: second trial if you attempt to appeal. Many places that 89 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: have been closed down by the government for allowing women 90 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: to not wear her jabs are remaining closed Dave. Also, 91 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: they being the Revolutionary Guard, have arranged new rules to 92 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: make life difficult for women without hjab. Today at university, 93 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: says unwilling to stardust. My hejab was hanging from my 94 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: neck without putting it on my hair, as if it 95 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: had just fallen. And not only the person coming to 96 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: the exam room to examine the students attacks me verbally 97 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: abusing me, but also they attempted to ban me from 98 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: taking the exam or going to school. The professor who 99 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: who defended me was detained. And people are being tracked 100 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: via their social media as as their license plates. Gentlemen. 101 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 1: This comes on the heels of recent executions for protesters 102 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: in Iran. You guys heard about this, now, this is 103 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: news to me. Yeah, but I'm not following it nearly 104 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: as closely as you are been. I mean, everything you're 105 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: saying there, it sounds like a religious revolution, rebellion against 106 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: a state that holds a religion very close to how 107 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: it governs, right again, a theocracy. In a recent episode 108 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: on How to Be a Skeptic, we discussed briefly the 109 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: dangers of theocracy. The United Nations, Gosh, just just a 110 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: few days ago, came out with an official statement regarding 111 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: what's going on in Iran, and the United Nations has 112 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: accused the government of Iran of weaponizing the death penalty. 113 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: They're saying that they're killing people by example, crushing descent 114 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: by frightening the public with public executions. This follows uh 115 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: as well with our earlier report of multiple protesters dying 116 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 1: in custody. Right now, we can confirm that Tarran saying 117 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,559 Speaker 1: Tahran the capital of Iran is a lot like saying 118 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: the White House when you talk about the US government. 119 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: Tehran has executed four people in connection with these demonstrations, 120 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: following frankly kangaroo court trials, and this is not us 121 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: saying it We're not being political partisans here, folks. The 122 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: United Nations as confirmed that the trials leading to those 123 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: four executions did not meet the internationally recognized legal minimum 124 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: for what defines a fair trial. This is not a 125 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: sustainable situation. At least seventeen other protesters have been sentenced 126 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: to death, according to Curturk, the U n High Commissioner 127 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: for Human Rights, and this reminds me a lot of 128 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: what of the excellent work are Pal Robert Evans did 129 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: in his series It could happen here. I keep thinking 130 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: about these things occurring across the planet now right. The 131 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: coup and Peru or who attempt it was very underreported, 132 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: the hilarious attempt in Germany. We're just saying it's hilarious 133 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: because come on, it's a decayed aristocrat, uh. And then 134 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: numerous other coups, including something we talked about quite recently 135 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: regarding Brazil and folks, I know we talked about doing 136 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: an episode on the situation in Iran full episode on this, 137 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: and we have been gathering sources. We've been speaking with 138 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: protesters who are in a very real way risk in 139 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: their lives to contact us UM I primary early in 140 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: bringing this up because I want to check in with you, 141 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: met and with you know, do you feel that the 142 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: West is doing its due diligence in reporting the situation here? 143 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: It certainly doesn't seem to be breaking through, um in 144 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: the news cycle and in the way that you think 145 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: a story of this weight and importance should. Yeah. Absolutely. 146 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: I I don't know, man, I'm I'm torn a little bit, honestly, Ben, 147 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: because I'm far too aware now of the West's let's say, 148 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: interference with other countries when it comes to these kinds 149 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: of uprisings, right, I mean, often it's the CIA that's 150 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: getting involved with like a student group or something to 151 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: make something like this happen in a country that is 152 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: seen as adversarial to the West or their purposes. Um. 153 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: It's the skeptical thing, right, I'm still feeling skeptical about 154 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: it to some extent, and that's probably because I'm so 155 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: far removed and it doesn't affect me in the way 156 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: it affects unwilling stardust Um. And that's a that's like 157 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: a kind of a crappy position to hold for somebody 158 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: who's going through it like that. The way that I'm 159 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: sitting here right now and thinking about it, um, But 160 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. It freaks me out. It makes me 161 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: feel like um other forces that are at play, even 162 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: though I don't have any way to confirm that. Yeah, 163 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm tempted to agree with you in some 164 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: regards there, Matt, because one of the things that we 165 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: have to always remember is that the shadow of US 166 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: imperialism is a very real specter, right, and it colors 167 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: the way that you encounter reports of this stuff in 168 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: the West. Quite recently there were some Maraudian activists who 169 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: were saying the protest have flipped the switch. It brought 170 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: to my mind a very important question, at what point 171 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: does a protest become a revolution? What is the is 172 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: it a spectrum? Right? Was was Occupy Wall Street on 173 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: the verge of becoming a revolution? I very much doubt it. 174 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: A revolution is difficult in the United States? But do 175 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: we have an answer for that? Is there any way 176 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: for us to say this is no longer a series 177 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: of protests, this is now actively a revolution or an 178 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: attempted overthrow. Well, I mean go back to January six, right, 179 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: I mean think about it, like, what's what is the 180 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: line there between protesting and uh an attempted rebellion that 181 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: kind of thing, or an attempted revolution. Well, and and 182 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: and and the folks responsible for that event you're talking 183 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: about January six, would rather it be viewed as a 184 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: protest because it does doesn't really align with reasonable American 185 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: political even like on the most extreme side, and one 186 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: wants to be seen as attempting a coup, you know, 187 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: And then the folks who may be responsible for that event, 188 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: it's much better politically for them to say, no, this 189 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: is a protest. In America was built on protests. But again, 190 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: if there's protests happy, they don't like they'll call those 191 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: people terrorists or domestic terrorists. But we have to keep 192 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: in mind, as much as it is discomforting to think about, 193 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: it is very beneficial for people on the other side 194 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: who are opposing that president and the actions to consider 195 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: it a you know, an attempted revolution, right versus maybe 196 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: like somewhat organized chaos. So it's like, it's it's just 197 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: a tough thing to think about when we're in these realms, um, 198 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: But when it comes to Iran, I mean, there's definitely 199 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: horrendous stuff going down. Hundreds of people are being killed 200 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: in the protest yeah, murdered. So I mean, in the end, 201 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: doesn't matter who's pushing the buttons to make the actions happen. 202 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: I think it does, but again there's no way to 203 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: fully tell in the moment. It's a very very good question, 204 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: and also it's a question that a lot of Western 205 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: journalists cannot answer on the ground because it's very difficult 206 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: to get into Tehran with good reason because Uncle Sam 207 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: has multiple times sent people into that area as tourists. 208 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: So that means no official diplomatic visa, none, none of 209 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: that kind of protective measure. Just hey, we're here to 210 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: take pictures. Boh, I didn't know there was a there 211 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: was a nuclear deploying. I don't know why they're sending 212 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: muppets as tourists, but that's the voice, right and so 213 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: this so it may sound as though there's a bit 214 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: of a broken record, but we want to do justice 215 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: to this conversation, to what's happening now in the world 216 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: that is not being why widely reported or is being 217 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: sanitized in the way it's being reported. The US is 218 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: an imperialist power, There's no two ways about it. And 219 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: you can you can say that and still be a 220 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: US patriot. Right. The not the missile, but the the 221 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: issue is that what's happening here can trigger things in 222 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: other places. Instability, global instability can be on the rise. 223 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: It very much is, and it will be perhaps sooner 224 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: than we think. At this point, we're going to end 225 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: this part of this listener mail segment with not just 226 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: a general update, but a call to action. If you 227 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: have information on the ground in Iran, if you have 228 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: experience in the country or with the Islamic Republic, we 229 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: want to hear from you. Please find us a conspiracy 230 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: at I heart radio dot com, fi just on Instagram, Twitter, 231 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: if there is a more secure platform you prefer, then 232 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: you can also uh find find me or the show 233 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: directly on those platforms outlined, and then we can connect 234 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: on a more secure means of communication. For now, we're 235 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: gonna pause for a word from our sponsors. Please be safe, 236 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: folks will be right back. And we're back, and we 237 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: are jumping to the phone lines. We haven't done this 238 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: in a while. Guys, here it comes. We've got a 239 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: message from Krista. Hey, guys, um, my name is Krista. 240 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: I've actually left a message for you all before and 241 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: have been along to a listener. Um, you can use 242 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: my name in this entire message. UM. I just came 243 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: across and its treading on TikTok. But Max Lohan, Um, 244 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: he was start tew years old in two thousand seventeen, 245 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: created free energy. Um, and he's disappeared. No one knows 246 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: where he's at, and he can't be found any video 247 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: that I try to watch about like the things that 248 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: he created were invented at all. Everything pops up with 249 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: a virus on it, saying that microphone has been infected 250 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: with the virus. If I try to watch a video 251 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: that he created, Um, everything's been screwed from the internet 252 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: and he's gone. He would have been the nineteen years 253 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: old right now. Um, but out of nowhere, like he's 254 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: just not around anymore. UM. I would love for you 255 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: all to like to speak on this seat for even 256 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: a small amount of time. UM. It's scary and UM 257 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: mostly like where's Max? Thanks? Free energy? Yes, Christa, thank 258 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: you so much for letting us know about that. This 259 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: was new to all of us. And you heard Ben 260 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: say free energy. And that is because over the years 261 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: that phrase, right, that term. Um, We've we've analyzed versions 262 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: of it a lot. I think I would say, right, 263 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: We've looked into instances of supposed free energy gathering and 264 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: use and device creation and all that kind of stuff 265 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,239 Speaker 1: many times. And I don't know about you guys, but 266 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: to my knowledge now, I still haven't seen one that 267 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: would meet the criteria of that phrase. Yeah, agreed. Not 268 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: In in previous episodes and in some previous Strange News 269 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: and listener mail segments, we have we have explored a 270 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: lot of related a lot of related claims, and at 271 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: this point, unfortunately, none of those has seemed to reach 272 00:18:52,359 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: the threshold of either scale or experimental reproducibility at Lee. Again, 273 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: up to this point, right up to this point, we 274 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: were unaware of this person, Max low N l O 275 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: U G h A N. But we are now going 276 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: to watch a roughly two and a half minute video 277 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: and this comes from ktv N. It's Channel two news. 278 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: It appears to be a major news station. Ben, I 279 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: think you've confirmed that it's CBS out of Reno, Nevada. Yeah, 280 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: So we're gonna watch this and we'll play some excerpts 281 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: within this podcast, and hopefully we'll all be on the 282 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: same page. So here we go. This is story about 283 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: Max Lowen dreussed in his lab coat. Yeah, I wear 284 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: this fairly often. Max Lahin sits in his parents old 285 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: boiler room converted into a lab. I am in a 286 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: boiler room right now, and he ponders the future. Often 287 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: the future that I imagine is the future, frankly that 288 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: we all imagine. He wants to make the world a 289 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: better place. And to do that you need one single thing. 290 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: If you've got energy, you've got power, you have everything. 291 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: So to solve this problem, a few months ago, Max 292 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: took the matter into his own hands and created this 293 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: electro magnetic harvester out of a coffee can, some wire, 294 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: two coils, and a spoon. The harvester conducts radio waves, 295 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: thermal and static energy and turns it into electricity. This 296 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: wire takes the energy from the air down below. Here 297 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: we turned it from a C into d C. So 298 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: we take the device outside and wrap up Max's brother 299 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: into a string of l e ed lights. Thing. A 300 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: fourteen dollar invention was able to do that. So imagine 301 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: the same harvester on a scale twenty times larger. Okay, guys, 302 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: so there we go. According to KTV in a whiz 303 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: kid with a powerful idea, and he is someone to know. Um, 304 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: it sounds great from the reporting, right, free energy? He 305 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: really did make this ing that just pulls energy out 306 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: of thin air and can power l ed s. That 307 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: would be incredible. Well, there's no info about the maximum 308 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: amount of energy? Uh is it? So it's electromagnetic energy? 309 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: I would assume based from the description. From the description, 310 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing to tell, right, there's nothing to do, there's 311 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: no there's no what is the amplitude or what do 312 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: they what do they call that? Um? Sorry, I'm not 313 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: a scientist, guys, I'm not a physicist. I don't know. 314 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: I don't know things. But how how much wattage do 315 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: you actually get out of that thing? What can you power? Right? 316 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: It reminds me of those old crystal radio kits that 317 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: you can build at home. You know what I'm talking about? 318 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, the ones with like little crystals that 319 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: act as an antenna where you can essentially create your own. 320 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: But no, it's not a ham radio. It's a receiver exactly. Um. 321 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: Interesting you would say that, because that is on the 322 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: skeptical side, that is precisely what this device is being, 323 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: uh compared to I'm not pooh pooing you, I'm just 324 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: saying what I remember from building what it seems kind 325 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: of yep, you you need an antenna of sorts, like 326 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: where he says, this is where what do you say? 327 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: This is where the energy comes in. He's pointing to 328 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: a wire and then he, you know, shows you where 329 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: it goes in and converts from A C to D 330 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: C I guess. And then there's the output, and that's 331 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: where he plugged in the or at least attached the 332 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: wires to the strip of LED lights um which, by 333 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: the way, led lights, I think we all know this 334 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: guy's It takes very little energy to run an L 335 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: E D. A single LED light or just a small 336 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: strip of LED lights doesn't take a ton of power. 337 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: But even if even yes true, But even being that 338 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: being the case, that's at the very least a cool 339 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: way to power L E ED lights. Yeah, that's all 340 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: just a can and a spoon and some wire. Let's 341 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: do it. Let's go. That's kind of cool. The problem 342 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: is the claim is by Max and again he's thirteen 343 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: years old, guys, come on. But the claim by Max 344 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: is that this device pulls in energy that is abundant, 345 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: that is just flying around at any time it was nighttime, 346 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: by the way, so it wasn't solar powered, which is, 347 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: by the way, the uh, the abundant source of energy 348 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: that is always flying around. It's it's the sun. It's 349 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: that radiation. UM. And there's another video you can watch 350 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: that we're not going to watch on the podcast, but 351 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: I recommend you search it out from four years ago 352 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: from a great creator YouTube channel called a electro boom. 353 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: I guarantee if you see, uh, the face of the 354 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: person who hosts that show, you will recognize him. Uh. 355 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: He goes into it and really describes how this device 356 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: is in fact exactly a crystal radio UM and just 357 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: demonstrates how you can build one and what it does 358 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: and why it functions, um. But also why it wouldn't 359 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: work even if you build the huge one, why it 360 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't do much much more, it wouldn't scale question before 361 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: we go on, Christa's asking what happened. And also I 362 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: hope electro Boom is nice to this person, because let's 363 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: keep in mind, there's a thirteen year old child. You know, 364 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: they're obviously not out to build people. They're not trying 365 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: to scam North or Grumman or something. Right, You're absolutely right, Uh, 366 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to speak for that channel 367 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: or that video, but I would say, in my opinion, 368 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: the biggest gripe that comes forward there is that Max 369 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: Lahan ended up going and doing basically a tour of 370 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: the world. He got on lists of things like Global 371 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: Teen Leaders of two thousand seventeen at the we Are 372 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: Family Foundation, sort of a Greta Thunberg type figure. I 373 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: mean in that yeah, in that moment, right. Yes, he 374 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: went and gave major speeches at places like Nexus, which 375 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: is a highly reputable science. I believe it's a foundation 376 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: where they go and they give talks similar to ted Um. 377 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: He was interviewed several other times on fairly big outlets, 378 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: basically people saying, wow, this kid figured out free energy. 379 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: This dude is This kid is Nicola Tesla and he's 380 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: wearing the Tesla T shirt in that channel too. He 381 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: is um and Max is so well spoken, so he 382 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: seen comes off as so intelligent. He can clearly solve 383 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: a Rubik's cube, which come on, that's no simple feat 384 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: u in in like five seconds, you know, one of 385 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: those like speed solves. But there were some medics can 386 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: but but he is so confident when he speaks. It 387 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: reminds me of the Skepticism episode we just did, where 388 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: when you hear him talk, you tend to just believe 389 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: him because he's just saying it. Yeah, this is how 390 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: it is. This is what it is. Absolutely And you know, 391 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: if you have energy, then you've got power, and if 392 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: you've got power, you've got everything. And with this simple device, 393 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: I can make power. Look, here's how it works. Here's 394 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: the coil, here's this. So your mind just kind of 395 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: goes along with him on the ride. Uh. It's just 396 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: strange that so many people immediately took that positive news, 397 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: that potential like oh, win for humanity and just said, yeah, well, 398 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: let's go with it. Also, I mean, speaking of news, 399 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: he's on the news. They don't put quacks on the news, 400 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, solving Rubik's cubes wearing uh, wearing lab coats 401 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: and their parents boiler room. I'm being a little jokey, 402 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: but I mean that's part of it. You know, a 403 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: kid like that speaking in the way, speaking demonstrating these 404 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: levels of whether it be genius or savantas um or 405 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: whatever you do kind of Oh, well, how don't I 406 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: know know about this kid? Let's let's let's go. He's 407 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: obviously got it cracked. And I would say that's why 408 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: his name and this concept is currently trending on or 409 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: maybe not currently anymore, but was trending on TikTok for 410 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: quite a while. The most well researched of yes, because 411 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: it does seem so positive for humanity overall. The kid 412 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: is so confident and just. And then he was you know, 413 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: he was all over the place in twenty seventeen, seriously 414 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: seen um and then we haven't heard much from him. 415 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: There were a couple of videos a while back. I 416 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys remember seeing this. He was 417 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: sent to us via listener email. At one point it 418 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: was a video of Max when before I knew who 419 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: he was. Uh, And he is making he was making 420 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: predictions of some sort about certain Yeah, that's right, that's right, 421 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: in like a kitchen of some sort, or like just 422 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: in his house, I think. And he's talking about cern 423 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: and black holes and all this other stuff, and he's 424 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: using the correct nomenclature of the correct vocabulary and saying 425 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: it's so confidently that it feels kind of scary and 426 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: like something he knows something more than everybody else, and 427 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: it's going to happen, I would pause it and I don't. 428 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: I cannot confirm this. I think he got a lot 429 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: of attention really fast as a thirteen year old, and 430 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: then there was probably quite a bit of blowback to that, UM, 431 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: and he just became a kid again. I think it 432 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: is probably what happened. So maybe avoided social media for 433 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: quite a while. UM kind of went just dark a 434 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: little bit when it comes to that stuff. And again, 435 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: it's not because, in my opinion, that he's attempting to 436 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: be a liar or to deceive a bunch of people. 437 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: It's because he believed the thing, and maybe his family 438 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: didn't know. They didn't understand what it actually was. Even 439 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: the news presenter, the guy that went and interviewed and 440 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: didn't really understand. I wouldn't have understood unless I researched it, right, 441 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: So it's I think maybe that's what happened. You can't 442 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: find him on Facebook though, what you did, Yeah you 443 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: can find I mean, it was pretty easy actually, and 444 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: I'm where I'm wondering if this is actually his page 445 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: or anyone that he knows even represents this page. But 446 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: you can go to Facebook dot com, slash Max l 447 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: O U G. H a n And that's where I 448 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: found that video that we just listened to. Another great 449 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: point and also, Matt, I think we should take pains 450 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: to know this is not the same thing as doxing someone. 451 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: Finding someone's Facebook page is not doxing someone. We're very 452 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: well aware. Uh, this is a child. I love that 453 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: you pointed this out. There are a couple of possibilities 454 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: to it. Could be that, Uh, this kid is getting 455 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: ready to apply for college. You know it's t seventeen, 456 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago. Uh, maybe a situation 457 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: where his parents or he himself doesn't want to be 458 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: associated with too much hubbub right, or to look like 459 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: they're propagating bad science, which is know, what he did, 460 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: even if it's just a crystal radio is still an 461 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: amazingly impressive thing for a kid to figure out on 462 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: their own. That's awesome. Also, the last thing I just 463 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: want to point out, the National Invention Secrecy Act of 464 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: nine one is a true thing, and it is used 465 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: to suppress technology. Oh shoot, what if he really did 466 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: figure it out and he just got a little visit. 467 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: It's a real thing. It's like, hey, kid, we're gonna 468 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: need you to take it down a couple of pegs 469 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: here not necessarily gonna disappear you, but strike a little 470 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: fear of God and you well, you know the innovation 471 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: potentially here, guys, was the spoon attached at the top 472 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: of his device. I don't know if you saw that 473 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: is no spoon, Matt, this spoon bend. Maybe they want 474 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: you to believe that there's no spoon, but there's got 475 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: to be a spoon. And if there is a spoon, 476 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: Uh spoon BANDA is brought to you by Big spoon. 477 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: Is the man man with the spoon you touch? Now, 478 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: have you, guys seen the new uh Knives out movie yet? Glass? Yeah, 479 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: no spoilers. This is what it's about, uh free energy 480 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: or something along the lines of free energy using reclaimed 481 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: seawater as a source, you know, to to replace you know, 482 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: nuclear and electric and coal power and all that. But 483 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: then there's you know, there's a twist. There's like many things, 484 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: and there's always positives and negatives, so nothing's perfect or 485 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: free and that. And thank you so much for calling 486 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: in Krista with that question. We hope this helps a 487 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: little bit. You can find more information. It's out there. 488 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: I hope you don't get any more viruses on your phone. 489 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: That's not good and I'm not sure why that was happening. 490 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: You can find this stuff on Facebook and on YouTube, 491 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: and no viruses on my computer that I'm aware of. 492 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: I guess we'll see. We'll take a break and we'll 493 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: be right back National INVECTORUS Secrecy Act. And we've returned 494 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: with one more piece of a listener correspondence, this one 495 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: coming from one of my favorite nicknames of recent memory, 496 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: Cyborg Penguin uh. And it was in response to our 497 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: overpopulation episode, and specifically to a comment that I made 498 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: about why someone would or would not have a child 499 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: uh in the event of losing a child. Um. And 500 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: it was just kind of an off the cuff remark 501 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: where I was just we were both I think Ben, 502 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: you and I were sort of you and I were 503 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: both kind of considering what the drive to have a 504 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: child might be in the event of losing a child, 505 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: versus it being such a traumatic experience that maybe you 506 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: would not want to ever put yourself in the position 507 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: to go through that again and maybe wouldn't have a child. UM. 508 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: Cyborg has this to say, Hey, Noel, regarding your comment 509 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: on replacing a kid with another. You're getting it wrong. 510 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: The logic isn't that you wait for a kid to 511 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: die to have another. You have a lot in a 512 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: short span of time to have more chances of having 513 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: at least a handful who served five. The appearance of 514 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: healthcare technology, or the improvement of healthcare technology in the 515 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: Andes region upset this uh and now people have fewer children. 516 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: My mother has twelve siblings, between full and half siblings, 517 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: and that was basically because in an agrarian economy, more 518 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: kids are more potential farm hands, and half of them 519 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: might not make it, so you better be sure to 520 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: spawn a lot of them. The Peruvian demographic explosion of 521 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: the fifties to seventies was in part because of this. 522 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: You need at least a couple of generations before you 523 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: change the practices of the people. So from the forties 524 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,239 Speaker 1: to the sixties are grarian families with a lot of 525 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,719 Speaker 1: kids who made it to adulthood was a thing. I 526 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: love the program today Best of luck to you and 527 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: the guys. So I think this is a very valid 528 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: and interesting perspective from a part of the world. Maybe 529 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: we don't consider or a type of lifestyle, you know, 530 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: in terms of farming um and maybe an older mode 531 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: of thinking around this topic than maybe still exists today. 532 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: And I think Cybor Penguin addressed that beautifully in terms of, like, 533 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: it takes some time to see a change in behavior, 534 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, over the course of generations. We certainly know 535 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: that in in days when healthcare which is not not 536 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: a thing, like even as far back as you know, 537 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: the Dark Ages and the medieval times, life expectancy was 538 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: very short and often children would die in childbirth or 539 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: die very very young, um. And so the idea was 540 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: to have as many as possible to make sure that 541 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: that bloodline was carried on. But I wasn't really thinking 542 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: about that in terms of more modern examples, and I 543 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: think this is a really good one, you know, the 544 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: idea of in the forties and fifties, at this notion 545 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: that we've got to have as many as we can 546 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: because health care wasn't good and some kids might not 547 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: survive in perhaps more harsh uh and and dangerous frankly 548 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: um farming conditions. And it was sort of a calculation 549 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: of like, you know, we gotta have more kids to 550 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: the farm can be staffed, you know, with family, and 551 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: then also that the farm the family farm can be 552 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: passed down to a two generations, you know, to carry on. Yeah, yeah, 553 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: well said, and thank you so much, Cyborg penguin. This 554 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: is something that I believe we've we've also explored in 555 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: some previous episodes. Uh, the overpopulation fact and fiction is 556 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: it's red meat for a lot of people, for a 557 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: lot of the wrong reasons. Right when you hear the 558 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: different arguments, Uh, it gets, as we say, very weird 559 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: and hypocritical. In the halls of power, people will say 560 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: a lot of folks should stop having children, and then 561 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: they'll say, but my kids are fine, right, But that 562 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: doesn't apply to me. The same problem with the corruption 563 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: in the Chinese government regarding the one child policy. If 564 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: you come um and a grarian background, then you realize 565 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: there is there is a calculus to this. Right again, 566 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: most people are incredibly intelligent. One thing we did miss, 567 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: and I'm so glad to bring this up now, is 568 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: that there are some pretty compelling arguments that have come 569 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: out that overall the global population of human beings may 570 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: be stabilizing. I think we made a pretty good case 571 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 1: that the growth itself, the Malthusiant arguments have proven incorrect. 572 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: But what we are seeing is really a problem of 573 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: inequality of access to education, to resources, to healthcare, and 574 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: that access, that problem has been so heavily propagandized and 575 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: politicized that people are finding themselves in a weird situation 576 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: where they're supporting they're supporting parasites at the very top 577 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: of the financial ecosystem. I think I'm a word Saladin 578 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: in a little but all to say, yeah, everything everything. 579 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: Cyborg Penguin is saying, well, like, I'm I wasn't a 580 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: part of that conversation, guys, I'm sorry I missed it. Um, 581 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I So way are we saying overpopulation 582 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,280 Speaker 1: isn't a problem or released as big of a problem 583 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: as I I feel like it is because I feel 584 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: like the more human beings, the more resources you got 585 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: to use, which means more trees cut down, more fresh 586 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: water used, more plastic, more lithium everything. I think this 587 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: perspective also speaks to a thing we talked about in 588 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: the episode where it kind of course corrects to some 589 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: degree over time. But you know, but again, it takes 590 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: time for that correction to to set to be to 591 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: be visible. Um, whether it be because of changes in 592 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: generational thinking, around having children or there have been. You 593 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: can speak to this. I'm sure other actors as well. UM, 594 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: that will potentially cause overpopulation as a massive spike to 595 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: really have us, you know, worried, sort of even out 596 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: the freeze course correction, let's let's explore that for a second. 597 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: So the real problem with humanity's population growth, which has 598 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: been on a continued clip ever since the Black Death, 599 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, human beings took that one on the chin 600 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: and then they just said, let's reproduce as much as 601 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 1: we can. Um. The real problem is one of logistics, 602 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of what of expectation of quality 603 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: of life. Consider for a moment that the average person 604 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: needs somewhere between like three to four leaders of water 605 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: a day, and a lot of people use way more 606 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: than that, right, and a lot of people are not 607 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: getting that. I would note that if you look at 608 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: the world as it stands now, eight plus billion people, 609 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: all sorts of terrible things are happening due to previous generations, right, 610 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: and the way they treated resource allocation. Now, this population 611 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: of eight billion people has to contend with the sins 612 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: of the past while also asking how do we distribute 613 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: these resources or in my case, how do they distribute 614 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: these resources? And that's where the issue comes in. It's 615 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 1: very easy to be a billionaire or a tycoon at 616 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: Davos Economic Forum and say here's what we do to 617 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,320 Speaker 1: make everything right. But it's very difficult to be someone 618 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: who says I need to feed my kids. My kids 619 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: are part of my not just my family, but my livelihood. 620 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: We all work this land together. That's the great danger, 621 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: I think is the disconnect. Now, would planet Earth be 622 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 1: better with far fewer people on it? I'm just going 623 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: to be a jerk here and say yes, that's objectively true. 624 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: But also the idea of painting it as a crisis 625 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: situation as a means of advancing one zone wealth extraction 626 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: or resource extraction ideologies, it's dangerous. It's misleading. And the 627 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: people who are saying that are smart enough to know 628 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: what they're doing. Okay, yeah, I hear you. It's uh, 629 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: it's my own biases because I just heck skepticism. It's 630 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: not too confident. Yes, no, no, not at all whatever, 631 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. But just when I'm thinking 632 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: about that standard of living at least in uh, in 633 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: many parts of the West, I had this image of 634 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: these open lithium minds where there are you know, tens 635 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: of thousands of human beings attempting to extract tiny amounts 636 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: of lithium individually so that they can support those families 637 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: that you're talking about, so that the family Lea's in 638 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: largely Western cultures can thrive with their phones and stuff. Right, So, 639 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: like maybe it really is just it's kind of I 640 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: think I heard you guys say the phrase on the 641 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: on the episode eat the rich situation, Like maybe we 642 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: really do do just need to coll the coll the 643 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: wealthy people, which I would you know, all of us, 644 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: I think I would know. I would include myself in 645 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: there when it comes to just people who use too 646 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: much but the wheel. Yeah. Yeah, it's difficult though, because 647 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: again the course correction. This is a thing uh folks 648 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: often don't like to talk about. But humanity is simply 649 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: another example of another animal on earth. And as you 650 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: can see historically, when a population exceeds a certain a 651 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: certain threshold, nature itself will correct for that to retain 652 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: its favorite thing, which is equilibrium. You evil ambulance or 653 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: whatever you were, fire truck. I get a lot of 654 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: non consensual lubers. I'm just gonna be honest. Uh so. 655 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 1: But the but the point holds. You know, the problem 656 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: here is one of the tragedy of the commons. For 657 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: any fellow nerds out there, how does how do we 658 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,359 Speaker 1: handle a public good? Right? Uh? And the the other 659 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:31,320 Speaker 1: issue is one of cooperation. How can you get eight 660 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 1: plus billion people to look out for the greater good 661 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 1: and somehow prevent the most powerful of those eight billion 662 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,880 Speaker 1: people from doing some weird scheme to make them set 663 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: their own lives quote unquote better at the expense of others. 664 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 1: And Cybord paint I think we're talking about here is 665 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:02,280 Speaker 1: a brilliant observation that my village varies for people having 666 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: these experiences. When we talk a little bit about replacement rate, right, 667 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: for a population to remain stable, reproductive pairs produced two 668 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: point one children, that accounts for mortality, accounts for everything 669 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: such that the population will be stable. When you hear 670 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: global statistics, right November, the eight billion person is born, 671 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: I think we wish them happy birthday and when in 672 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: an episode, happy birthday. Sorry, if we knew you were coming, 673 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: we would have cleaned the place up a little. But 674 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: what what we see there is that this population growth globally, 675 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: that statistic can be misleading because it is not an 676 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: even growth right places like India or Nigeria, right that 677 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: that those places people are gonna have more than two 678 00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 1: point one kids. Places like Japan. Uh, the replace spent 679 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: rate is no longer being reached. There's some pretty compelling 680 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: arguments that globally a certain point population will decline. Um, 681 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: And I think you know, no. One thing that was 682 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: really personal for us for a lot of listeners was 683 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: the conversation about why people may or may not decide 684 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: to have a child after losing a child. And that 685 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,720 Speaker 1: is something that, Um, that's something I really appreciate about 686 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: what you're saying, cyber Cyborg Penguin, is that that is 687 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: as a personal decision, but also sometimes people in a 688 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: very real way, I feel it is a necessary thing 689 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: to do that that one must do this, you know, 690 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,240 Speaker 1: that one must put their feelings aside. And that's simply 691 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: the reality of the world that can be driven by 692 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: um reasons of economics, whether it means like like like 693 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: he's talking about in terms of needing those hands to 694 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: to to get the work done, you know, and so uh, 695 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: stacking the deck in a way that you you know, 696 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: in a time where maybe you might lose more than 697 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: one child, you know, for various reasons, or maybe there 698 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: are religious reasons where it's about you know, spreading the 699 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: gospel or whatever it might be. You know, and that's 700 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: your that's your responsibility to do that, so you do 701 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: put your feelings aside. I think I was coming from 702 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 1: it in my comments um as a parent, if I 703 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: lost a child, I don't know. I don't think I 704 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: would ever want to put myself in that position again 705 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: because it would be such a heartbreaking thing. So I 706 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: was coming at it from a completely emotional standpoint when 707 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 1: I made that comment, or when I positive that that 708 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,399 Speaker 1: might be a perspective shared by others, because to your point, 709 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,879 Speaker 1: then it is very personal and there are a lot 710 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 1: of different reasons. And this is something uh that I 711 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: know we both actually all of us listening along as 712 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: well the overpopulation episode really wanted your perspective on as well. 713 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: It's an incredibly if goal conversation. You know, we have 714 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people with us today who have perhaps 715 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: had to terminate a pregnancy right or had a pregnancy 716 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: that didn't go to term for any number of reasons. 717 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: How would you react to that the statement, um, you know, 718 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: from from knowl from your side, the idea that it 719 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,839 Speaker 1: is a personal decision and it can be I mean 720 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: there there aren't really words for it, you know, like 721 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: how how how should what of our fellow conspiracy realist 722 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: attempt to approach that situation? I mean it's the same 723 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: thing as like asking yourself, how would you act in 724 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,439 Speaker 1: an emergency situation? You know, you hope that you would 725 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: act a certain way, but given the actual realities of it, 726 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: you might not act that way. You know that you 727 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: think or that you wish you would. I see that. 728 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: One lucky difference between those situations is that if you 729 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: want to trust yourself in an emergency situation, the best 730 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: thing to do is topeatedly drill and train such that 731 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: it can hopefully become reflective muscle memory automatic. And you 732 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: just don't have that ability in this situation where you 733 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,280 Speaker 1: lose your life like that. I don't I say sorry, 734 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: I I wanted to interject that. But Matt, what are 735 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 1: your thoughts? Um? I want to know your thoughts? So 736 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: why don't you write to us? You can find us 737 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: on social media. We are conspiracy stuff on many outlets 738 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: like Twitter and Facebook. And YouTube. We are conspiracy Stuff 739 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 1: show on Instagram and TikTok. Please please please check those out, 740 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: follow us if you will. You can interact with us 741 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,880 Speaker 1: there for sure. 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