WEBVTT - Verizon's Frontier Deal and Nvidia Pushes Back

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<v Speaker 1>From Mahart where Innovation, money and power Collie in Silicon Valley, NBN.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Technology with Caroline Hyde and Ed loved Love.

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<v Speaker 2>From New York and San Francisco. This is Bloomberg Technology

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. Verizon agrees to buy Frontier Communications nearly ten

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars in cash to strengthen its fiber network.

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<v Speaker 3>We speak with the CEO.

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<v Speaker 4>Nvidia pushes back, saying it's been in contact with the

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<v Speaker 4>Justice Department that has not received a subpoena.

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<v Speaker 2>An HP enterprise comes up short as disappointing margins offset

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<v Speaker 2>AI related tailwinds. Another chief exec on the show, but first,

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<v Speaker 2>as check in on these markets, ED the Nasdaq outperforms.

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<v Speaker 3>Benchmarks are lower.

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<v Speaker 2>We're anxious around labor data coming tomorrow, but video and

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<v Speaker 2>Tesla do the work.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's m and A.

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<v Speaker 4>We have some MNA, and that is Verizon to buy Frontier.

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<v Speaker 4>Really interesting. Both stocks lower. The offer is thirty eight

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<v Speaker 4>dollars and fifty cents a share, which is a fit

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<v Speaker 4>thirty seven percent premium to the twenty eight dollars four

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<v Speaker 4>cents closing price on Tuesday. Because you'll remember, the reports

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<v Speaker 4>about this deal started surfacing during the day Tuesday. That's

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<v Speaker 4>Tuesday's closing price. Nine point six billion dollar deal value,

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<v Speaker 4>enterprise value greater than that if you take into account

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<v Speaker 4>debt the story carriers. You know full well it's about

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<v Speaker 4>being more competitive in the high speed internet business. And

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<v Speaker 4>Verizon down top percentage point. Frontier currently in the session

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<v Speaker 4>at thirty five dollars ten cent a share down nine percent, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to be digging into some of the share

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<v Speaker 2>price reaction that we have indeed been seeing. Why is

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<v Speaker 2>Frontier training below that current agreed price. And we're very

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<v Speaker 2>pleased to say we can talk about it a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more now because we welcome to our global TV

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<v Speaker 2>and radio audiences. Verizon agreeing to buy rival telecom operator

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<v Speaker 2>Frontier Communications FRO about nine point six billion dollars in cash,

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<v Speaker 2>giving an enterprise value.

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<v Speaker 3>Of twenty billion dollars. This is the New York phone.

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<v Speaker 2>John looks to expand its high speed internet business.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's bring en Verizon CEO hands Versteg. We welcome you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir, and look, it wasn't long ago that you actually

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<v Speaker 2>owned some of these assets. Why go back into wyline?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are we seeing this convergence again?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for having me first of all, I think

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<v Speaker 5>this is very straight into our core strategy.

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<v Speaker 6>We are sort of.

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<v Speaker 5>Inmobility and broadband serve basically all types of customers in

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<v Speaker 5>this market, CONSUMERSMBS, large entervice, and governments. This is just

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<v Speaker 5>extending the offerings and optionality for the customers we have.

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<v Speaker 5>So this is a really good decision by us to

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<v Speaker 5>do with an economical right. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 5>as you mentioned, yes we own these assets before, but

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<v Speaker 5>they weren't totally different type of assets. There was basically

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<v Speaker 5>a copper based business. Nowadays Frontier is more than fifty

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<v Speaker 5>percent of the revenue is fiber and more than way

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<v Speaker 5>more than fifty percent of the DTA is coming from fiber.

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<v Speaker 5>So a large transformation have been done and it fits

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<v Speaker 5>in straight to our strategy.

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<v Speaker 4>Over is on hands, Good morning, it's head in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 4>Frontier is trading at thirty five dollars a sherish below

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<v Speaker 4>the thirty eight dollars fifty cents per share offer. What

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<v Speaker 4>does that tell you about the market's reaction to the

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<v Speaker 4>offer and what you think might happen next?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't tell me so much is so early in?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it two hours of training? I think first of all,

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<v Speaker 5>we feel really good about this deal from also from

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<v Speaker 5>closing it and seeing that this is a possible transaction

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<v Speaker 5>from many angles, because given that we believe it's going

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<v Speaker 5>to take eighteen months and all the regulatory bodies of

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<v Speaker 5>course will be a thorough job, but this is improvements

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<v Speaker 5>for customers going in more choice, and not only that,

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<v Speaker 5>we can only bring our mobility broadband to these customers.

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<v Speaker 5>At the same time, we also have the offerings that

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<v Speaker 5>we have on our broadband today, which is everything from

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<v Speaker 5>streaming services, other services that we have on insurance, etc.

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<v Speaker 5>So we going to bring a lot on new opportunities

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<v Speaker 5>for the custom base or frontier. So I'm really positive

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<v Speaker 5>on this acquisition.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you tell us a little bit about the future

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>The short term is the convergence trade is wireless wireline content,

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<v Speaker 2>but then there's AI. Then we're talking about the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>of things as we've been talking about for years. Hands

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<v Speaker 2>where does that come into play.

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<v Speaker 5>It come definitely to play in these assets, and as said,

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<v Speaker 5>we expect this to take in a take eighteen months.

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<v Speaker 5>We're already right now have a sort of AI prepared

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<v Speaker 5>network with a lot of compute and storage at the

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<v Speaker 5>edge of the network. We decided already some six years

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<v Speaker 5>ago to fibriize all our transport, so we are really

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<v Speaker 5>prepared of it. The frontier acid is just coming in

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<v Speaker 5>as an extension of that, and we can meet even

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<v Speaker 5>more customers to have a processing storage at the edge

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<v Speaker 5>of the network with the fiberized transport, So this is

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<v Speaker 5>really also another advantage we're getting with the even more

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<v Speaker 5>assets in the ground, and of course serving consumers with

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<v Speaker 5>home broadband together with our mobile and home offering is

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<v Speaker 5>of course a strength in the overall acquisition where we're doing.

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<v Speaker 6>Hans.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a question from an audience member on Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 4>Technology who notes the twenty fifteen sale of wireline assets.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think the question that he and many others

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<v Speaker 4>have is what's changed around the economics in this deal.

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<v Speaker 4>You said the economics work, but give me specifics some

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<v Speaker 4>what's different, particularly for fiber in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you look at the deal right now at closing,

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<v Speaker 5>we believe that's going to be a creative of growth,

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<v Speaker 5>revenue growth anibita on day one, so that's really good economics.

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<v Speaker 5>And then it's going to take some twelve months and

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<v Speaker 5>EPA and cashual will be a creative as well. And

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<v Speaker 5>the reason it takes twelve months is there are some

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<v Speaker 5>integration costs coming up in the beginning. So definitely a

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<v Speaker 5>very economic sound business for us. But I said the

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<v Speaker 5>assets we sold the previously was, of course in a

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<v Speaker 5>totally different standard. The Frontier team has put in billions

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<v Speaker 5>and billions of dollars to fiberize the network to be

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<v Speaker 5>the next generation, and many of the metrics that they have,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Sharen, penetration, etc. Are fairly similar to FiOS,

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<v Speaker 5>and FIUs is of course the best fiber network in

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<v Speaker 5>the States, so there's a lot of similarities on that

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<v Speaker 5>and that we can offer to our customers.

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<v Speaker 2>And some ANDAs we're a little bit surprised by the

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<v Speaker 2>timing and the fact that you're going all in on

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<v Speaker 2>convergence now a bold step. Some call it because of

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<v Speaker 2>your leverage and your commitment to reducing reducing your debt.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do this now? Are you worried about leverage?

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<v Speaker 7>No?

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<v Speaker 5>I think, first of all, we have a very strong

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<v Speaker 5>balance sheet and as we said this morning, at closing,

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<v Speaker 5>these be maybe zero point two zero point three notch

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<v Speaker 5>on our leverage, which is very very low. We still

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<v Speaker 5>are committed to our capt A location. Number One, invest

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<v Speaker 5>in the business and that's what we're doing today. Number

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<v Speaker 5>two committed to the dividend, and you might have seen

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<v Speaker 5>yesterday we came out with our dividend which was for

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<v Speaker 5>the eighteenth consecutive year we increased our dividend. And then

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<v Speaker 5>is to pay down our debt. We have been paying

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<v Speaker 5>down our debts since we bought a c band. We

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<v Speaker 5>still have some eighteen months here that we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>continue to pay down the debt. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>be in a really good position balance wise when this

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<v Speaker 5>deal is coming to fruition.

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<v Speaker 4>Hans, what opportunity is there for you in data center

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<v Speaker 4>interconnects DCI in the context of AI. Look at what

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<v Speaker 4>like Lumen's done with Microsoft for example.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that the difference here is that we have

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<v Speaker 5>so many assets in the ground. When it comes to

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<v Speaker 5>fiber and central offices. Many of these central officers of

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<v Speaker 5>course have compute storage power, it ex and many of

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<v Speaker 5>the AI solutions. When there is a real product, they

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<v Speaker 5>actually need to be way closer to the users, the corporations,

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<v Speaker 5>et cetera. And that means that because the transport costs

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<v Speaker 5>and many other things, it will be hosted at the

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<v Speaker 5>edge of the network. That's how we build the Verizon

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<v Speaker 5>Intelligence Edge Network in twenty eighteen when we started with

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<v Speaker 5>the Journey, which we now is just adding Frontier to it.

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<v Speaker 5>So I see a great opportunity for us on the

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<v Speaker 5>B to B side with this footprint to serve customers

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<v Speaker 5>that want to host AI at close to them, secure,

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<v Speaker 5>lower transport costs, and et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just announcing one deal, and you know we always

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<v Speaker 2>love to push forward hands are you going to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to be acquisitive when it comes to convergence.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, first of all, we are really happy with

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<v Speaker 5>assets we have and now we're adding Frontier. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think we need much more. We're going to be the

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<v Speaker 5>biggest and wireless, We're going to be clearly the ones

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<v Speaker 5>having the largest broad but offering with fixed wires, access

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<v Speaker 5>and fiber in the market. We have the largest distribution

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<v Speaker 5>and the customers, so we're going to be in a

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<v Speaker 5>really good position to see that we execute for our

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<v Speaker 5>customers but also for our shareholders. So I'm really happy

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<v Speaker 5>with assets we're going to have and we have today.

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<v Speaker 5>When it comes to convergence, I think what is important

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<v Speaker 5>and convergence. We will have the scale of economy for both.

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<v Speaker 5>We will have the ownerships for the wireless network and

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<v Speaker 5>the fiber networks and fixed files access. If customers want

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<v Speaker 5>to make the convergence, we will have the economics for

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<v Speaker 5>doing it. I don't believe it's going to be sort

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<v Speaker 5>of you you discount one product for customer taking both.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not really there's two great products. And we all

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<v Speaker 5>know mobility in broadband is a centure for day society.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean everyone needs a division, corporation, a private person

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<v Speaker 5>or a corporation. You need these services that are even

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<v Speaker 5>more important today than we're five years ago. And Verison

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<v Speaker 5>is number one and basically every segment of that and

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<v Speaker 5>this is just fortifying it. So yeah, we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>see convergence. But it's not like we're going to discount products.

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<v Speaker 5>There are great two products that we're want to offer

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<v Speaker 5>our customers if they want to join. We have an

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<v Speaker 5>improvement on sheer and of course if customers both have

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<v Speaker 5>wibilated in broadland with us, and so we want to

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<v Speaker 5>see our best placehold in the market. Like clearly we're

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<v Speaker 5>going to be best position in the market.

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<v Speaker 6>Run and Council conmergence.

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<v Speaker 4>Verizon CEO Hans Vestberg, thank you very much. In Nvidia

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<v Speaker 4>said in a statement it has not received a subpoena

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<v Speaker 4>from the US Department of Justice, responding to a Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 4>News report published Tuesday that it had. The company said

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<v Speaker 4>it inquired with the DOJ, has not been subpoened, but

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<v Speaker 4>is happy to answer regulators questions. Bloomberg reports, citing a source,

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<v Speaker 4>that in Vidia did receive a request for information in

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<v Speaker 4>what's known as a civil investigative demand, or CID. A

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<v Speaker 4>CID is also commonly referred to as a subpoena, but

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<v Speaker 4>is often issued before any legal seedings are brought. According

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<v Speaker 4>to the Bloomberg source, the request for information issue to

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<v Speaker 4>Nvidia focuses on its acquisition of run Ai and aspects.

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<v Speaker 6>Of its chip business.

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<v Speaker 4>Bloomberg first reported the DOJ's probe of Nvidia in June.

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<v Speaker 2>Caroline coming up ed will be joined by another chief executive,

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO of C three AI. Once again, we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about artificial intelligence and its latest earnings results.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Bloombog Technology back to tech earnings.

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<v Speaker 2>Now C three ai reporting subscription revenue for the first quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>There seems to be below many analysts expectations, shares off

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<v Speaker 2>by thirteen percent. Pt US dig into the numbers. The

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<v Speaker 2>CEO is with us, Tom Siebolf, you'll join us for more.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a painful sell off, and in fact you're

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<v Speaker 2>now training at the lowest since May twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you'll tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't look at the share price, but it's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you something. What is it that isn't enough?

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<v Speaker 2>And the numbers for the investor today, Tom, it was a.

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<v Speaker 7>Great quarter, Caroline. I mean a year over your growth

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<v Speaker 7>twenty one percent. That makes us I think one of

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<v Speaker 7>the fast ten fastest growing companies in the public software universe.

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<v Speaker 7>Cash op transaction volume up I think one hundred and

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<v Speaker 7>twenty one percent, pilot volume up one hundred and fifteen percent.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a solid quarter.

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<v Speaker 7>And the sometimes markets react in funny ways. Here we

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<v Speaker 7>have in video growing over the announced growth I think

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<v Speaker 7>well over one hundred percent year over your growth rate.

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<v Speaker 1>What's not to like?

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<v Speaker 7>The market reacts by taking what two hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 7>billion dollars off the stock price the next day, So

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<v Speaker 7>you know, markets reacting funny ways, and you'll all sort

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<v Speaker 7>itself out of the long.

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<v Speaker 4>Run, Tom, I'm still trying to understand the business model, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the subscription part and software and then services services seems

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<v Speaker 4>to be strong. What is the story behind software with you?

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<v Speaker 7>It's well, it's a little bit confusing a guy, because

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<v Speaker 7>seventy percent of that services revenue services number is actually

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<v Speaker 7>software delivered to the customer as part of our core

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<v Speaker 7>product that they pay for.

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<v Speaker 1>Over a long period of time.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's the core product functionality, seventy percent of the

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<v Speaker 7>services number, like order of ten million dollars of thirteen

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<v Speaker 7>point eight I think. But due to new accounting regulations

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<v Speaker 7>that came out called ASC six oh six, we have

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<v Speaker 7>to we have to treat these functional enhancements as professional services.

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<v Speaker 1>But it looks like software. It smells like software, It

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<v Speaker 1>is compiled, it's part of the core product. It is software.

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<v Speaker 7>But under the accounting regulations which we do comply with,

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<v Speaker 7>I assure you it is it gets recorded as professional services.

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<v Speaker 3>Stripping away accounting.

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<v Speaker 2>What people are trying to peel back is profitability and

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<v Speaker 2>how long they have to really wait for that profitability

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<v Speaker 2>to kick in. You have to invest in the time

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<v Speaker 2>to scale. I know, but are you just having to

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<v Speaker 2>sell investors to be patient.

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<v Speaker 7>Tom, Well, let's look at profitability. Our profit margins on

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<v Speaker 7>their professional services. I think it's ninety three percent gross margin.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's good work if you can get it now.

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<v Speaker 7>Our revenue growth rates are substantially greater than our expense

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<v Speaker 7>growth rates historically. I think going forward, our revenue growth

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<v Speaker 7>rates will continue to generally be greater than our expense

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<v Speaker 7>for growth rates. Our gross profit margins are substantily greater

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<v Speaker 7>than our cost of sales. So non gap profitability is

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<v Speaker 7>simply a matter of scale.

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<v Speaker 1>This just happens with.

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<v Speaker 4>Time, Tom, I've been reading through the regulatory filings. It's

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of guy I am, and the disclosures and

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<v Speaker 4>the lawsuit suits against NL it seems to center around

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<v Speaker 4>a trade secret issue. But can you help us understand

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<v Speaker 4>more of what's going on there?

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<v Speaker 6>Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a very unfortunate situation. This is very sad.

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<v Speaker 7>And now was a really valued customer that license a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of our technology, and it appears that they may

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<v Speaker 7>have copied literally thousands of lines of our source code

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<v Speaker 7>into our of our source code into a copy of

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<v Speaker 7>and basically copied our product.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what this's complained about.

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<v Speaker 7>It appears to be a very significant kind of intellectual

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<v Speaker 7>property theft, and we're we're pursuing that in civil courts

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<v Speaker 7>in Italy and it's sad, and you know, it's actually

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<v Speaker 7>the first time I've seen this in my professional career

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<v Speaker 7>that a company would do such a thing. But we

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<v Speaker 7>are you know, we have to protect our intellectual property

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<v Speaker 7>rights for the benefit of our shareholders, and we are

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<v Speaker 7>doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>And we will see comment from n L you are

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<v Speaker 2>seeking two billion dollars from them in compensation. Tom, just

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<v Speaker 2>going back to ultimately the winning of clients.

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<v Speaker 3>How is market share?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you able to compete with the big companies

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<v Speaker 2>out there trying to compete with you?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think the companies that are perceived of as

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<v Speaker 7>accounting with competing with us would be Zoo, it would

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<v Speaker 7>be microsoftware is, z or AWS and Google, because the

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<v Speaker 7>real competition is building yourself. But understand, Caroline, seventy one

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<v Speaker 7>percent of our transactions the last quarter we closed with

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<v Speaker 7>one of Google Cloud aws ors or so we joint

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<v Speaker 7>market with them.

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<v Speaker 1>We joined sell seventy one percent.

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<v Speaker 7>So these are great marketing partners and they're perceived of

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<v Speaker 7>by some as being competitors, but they share looked at

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<v Speaker 7>me like partners, and they looked to our customers like partners.

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<v Speaker 7>So we appreciate the partnership and we go to market

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<v Speaker 7>with them very actively all around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for now, we really appreciate you coming on after

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<v Speaker 2>earnings shares off on the day. We appreciate the time

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<v Speaker 2>and the expertise. Three AAI CEO Tom siebel.

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<v Speaker 3>Hpe.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's coming out with its earnings and for some

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<v Speaker 2>we saw profitability perhaps coming weak and then expected for

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<v Speaker 2>its third quarter, suggesting look that lower margins certainly that

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<v Speaker 2>anticipated in its business for selling service for AI seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be holding for now. Hpco, Antonio and Nery is

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<v Speaker 2>joining us, and that's just dwell on the margins for

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<v Speaker 2>a moment, Antonio, because some call it low calorie nature

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<v Speaker 2>of AI systems revenue, is it no calorie for the foreseeable.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, good morning, Kara, thanks for having me. We did

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<v Speaker 8>what we said would do and we had a very

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<v Speaker 8>strong quarter where we had double digits over year revenue

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<v Speaker 8>growth and to your point, was all on the back

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<v Speaker 8>of converting an amazing order book we have in AI

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<v Speaker 8>and continue to add to that order book. However, it's

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<v Speaker 8>also fair to say that we actually improve operating margins

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<v Speaker 8>quarter over quarter by fifty basis points, despite makes heavily

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<v Speaker 8>weighted to AI. And I will say that the reason

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<v Speaker 8>why the gross margin, not the operating margins, the gross

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<v Speaker 8>margin is year over year down is because we have

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<v Speaker 8>less contribution from the networking business, which as you know,

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<v Speaker 8>is going through a market transition through the cyclicality we

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<v Speaker 8>normally see in each of the businesses. So the main

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<v Speaker 8>driver for the gross margin decline was not AI. In fact,

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<v Speaker 8>our AI business, our server business grew operating margins year

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<v Speaker 8>over year by seventy basis points.

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<v Speaker 4>That's actually like an industry wide issue that you've brought

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<v Speaker 4>up that others have talked to us about. I think

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<v Speaker 4>the difference with you, Antonio is the customer bas is

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<v Speaker 4>like much more enterprise centric, and I think on the

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<v Speaker 4>call you talked about improvement in margins relating to that,

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<v Speaker 4>could you just talk a bit more about how the

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<v Speaker 4>enterprise customer is going to push you forward?

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, And as you know, at the HPD is covered

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<v Speaker 8>in Vegas, we introduce an HPE Private Cloud AI offering,

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<v Speaker 8>which I call it an AI in the box seat,

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<v Speaker 8>which is actually a four toun key solution for enterprises

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<v Speaker 8>of all sizes to train and deploy inference for their

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<v Speaker 8>specific applications. And that offer is targeted specifically for enterprises,

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<v Speaker 8>including very specific vertical solutions built on top. And we

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<v Speaker 8>just made that offer available just two days ago. It's

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<v Speaker 8>now available for global availability ordering and we are excited

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<v Speaker 8>about that.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 8>In the order book we announced this order, we had

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<v Speaker 8>one point six billion dollars of new orders and meet

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<v Speaker 8>teams of those orders are enterprise related.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just talk about macro challenges to those enterprises you

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<v Speaker 2>sell to. Are we seeing a pullback in confidence on spending?

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<v Speaker 8>Actually, I have not seen it, you know. In fact,

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<v Speaker 8>we saw orders growth in all our businesses on a

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<v Speaker 8>sequential basis, which tells me, Caroline, we are on a recovery.

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<v Speaker 8>In fact, our traditional server business had doubled it the

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<v Speaker 8>year over here and sequential growth in orders, which also

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<v Speaker 8>tells me there's no cannibalization from the AI servers into

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<v Speaker 8>the traditional servers. And it makes sense, Caroline, because when

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<v Speaker 8>you think about these legacy worloads, some of them are

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<v Speaker 8>not even cloud native worloads. It makes no sense to

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<v Speaker 8>put it on a more expensive infrastructure which should be

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<v Speaker 8>focused on really training these models with their data so

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<v Speaker 8>they can get the time to value from the deployment

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<v Speaker 8>through the business process. And then on the networking site,

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<v Speaker 8>which obviously has been a more negative store in the

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<v Speaker 8>last few quarters.

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<v Speaker 6>In line with the peers.

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<v Speaker 8>By the way, we saw sequential or the growth across

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<v Speaker 8>all geographies and we're driven by the wireless line, the

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<v Speaker 8>SASE deployment, which obvious security is very important at the

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<v Speaker 8>edge and data center networking.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I know you talked about your fiduciary duty

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<v Speaker 4>in pursuing damages in the sad incidents around mister Lynch.

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<v Speaker 4>Just because it's the first time our audience is hearing

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<v Speaker 4>from you, you explain that produciary duty and basically what

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<v Speaker 4>your end goal is in that piece of litigation.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, Lison had the doctor Lynch death is a tragedy,

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<v Speaker 8>as are the death of others in the on the ship.

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<v Speaker 8>So clearly it was a sad moment. However, it does

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<v Speaker 8>not change what happened. You know, the UK judge rule

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<v Speaker 8>that the company is victim of fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>That really happened last year.

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<v Speaker 8>As a physical is duty. We need to see the finalization,

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<v Speaker 8>does the proceedings and obviously our duties to also recover

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<v Speaker 8>the damages on that fraud. So we have to see

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<v Speaker 8>it through. That's what we are and we hope to

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<v Speaker 8>hear soon what are the next steps based on the

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<v Speaker 8>proceedings of the judge.

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<v Speaker 2>Antonia and Arry, we appreciate you tackling what is a

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive subject and indeed your earnings.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Blue BEG Technology. I'm Karen Hide in

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<v Speaker 2>New York and.

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<v Speaker 6>I met Ludlow in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick check on these market said, because we are being

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<v Speaker 2>whipswored once again. Yesterday we saw an eke out of

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<v Speaker 2>a recovery on the chip sector, but today we've gone

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<v Speaker 2>back in the red and it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>volatile session.

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<v Speaker 3>As we looked ahead tomorrow, of course to the all

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<v Speaker 3>important labor data.

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<v Speaker 2>Now's that one hundred under pressure, as you see, by

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<v Speaker 2>five ten percent, no longer outperforming the other benchmarks. We've

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<v Speaker 2>see the chip stocks down by more than a percentage point.

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<v Speaker 2>And also looking at crypto look, this is a risk

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<v Speaker 2>averse kind of a day once again. Bonds have been

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<v Speaker 2>training pretty flat, but I'm looking at cryptos thinking some

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<v Speaker 2>three point six percent move on and look at some

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<v Speaker 2>individual movers because amid what has been a volatile time

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<v Speaker 2>on the stock markets, companies still have well the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to splash some cash and more than nine billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>of it coming from Verizon to be buying Frontier. We

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<v Speaker 2>just spoke to the CEO and why he's doing that deal.

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<v Speaker 2>In Vidia still managing just to be above water. But

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<v Speaker 2>remember this is a key stock. Is what's driven some

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<v Speaker 2>of the selloff, and mag seven not doing enough today

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<v Speaker 2>to stabilize the benchmarks. In Vidia up by just a

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<v Speaker 2>tenth of a percent, Tesla still up more than three

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<v Speaker 2>point eight percent.

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<v Speaker 3>This is it seems to be promising full self.

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<v Speaker 2>Driving Europe, China and of course all eyes and what

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<v Speaker 2>will become of a robotaxing conversation in October for that company.

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<v Speaker 3>But we've got to stick with overall outlook for chips

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 4>ED we do TSMC supplies Science Tech says AI demand

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<v Speaker 4>is here to stay, the CEO dismissing concerns over AI fatigue.

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<v Speaker 6>After chip stocks.

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<v Speaker 4>Recorded the biggest one month one day decline in a month,

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<v Speaker 4>Bloomberg sat down with CEO Hu ming Chi.

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<v Speaker 9>That's what he had to say from a personal perspective.

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<v Speaker 9>Liz bom In of our AI industry just begin there's

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of application. I do expect we're coming out

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<v Speaker 9>pretty soon.

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<v Speaker 6>For more on the markets and everything going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Christina Hooper, Investigo chief Global market strategist joins us. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're learning every week, every month, every year

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<v Speaker 4>that one single session a market does not make But

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<v Speaker 4>where do you go the anxiety in semiconductor's AI demand.

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<v Speaker 4>We have economic data in twenty four hours time. That's

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<v Speaker 4>very important, and we're always thinking about the FED. When

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<v Speaker 4>you wake up, Christina, with a technology investors perspective, what

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<v Speaker 4>do you first think of?

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<v Speaker 10>First of all, I think it's important for investors to

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<v Speaker 10>recognize that they have a longer time horizon than one

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<v Speaker 10>day or one month or even several months, and so

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<v Speaker 10>it's important not to be too reactive. To understand that

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<v Speaker 10>valuations are relatively high. And so when stocks are priced

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<v Speaker 10>near perfection, we're likely to see jitters, we're likely to

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<v Speaker 10>see concerns, and I think one of the overarching concerns

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<v Speaker 10>we're seeing right now is this fear that it can't continue,

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<v Speaker 10>that we won't see companies continue to spend to invest

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<v Speaker 10>on AI, and I think that that's probably more a

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<v Speaker 10>fear than a reality, because what we're seeing is that

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<v Speaker 10>investment in productivity and enhancing areas has actually improved productivity growth.

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<v Speaker 10>And so this is something that companies recognize. And I

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<v Speaker 10>truly believe the risk of not investing is greater than

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<v Speaker 10>the risk of investing, but that might not come investors today.

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<v Speaker 10>So diversification certainly helps, but I think just understanding, we're

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<v Speaker 10>likely to see volatility, but that doesn't mean we won't

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<v Speaker 10>see significant gains over the course of a year, two years,

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<v Speaker 10>and even longer.

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<v Speaker 2>Nvidia back in the red once again and has raised

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it's market capitalization.

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<v Speaker 3>Christina.

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<v Speaker 2>That has been an anxiety that we've just put too

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<v Speaker 2>much into too fewer companies. When you say diversify, what

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<v Speaker 2>into other technaus or just other types of companies.

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<v Speaker 10>Other types of companies. Let's face it that it all

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<v Speaker 10>goes well. If the thesis for a soft landing and

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<v Speaker 10>we see the FED start to cut rates, that could

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<v Speaker 10>create a very supportive environment for risk assets in general.

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<v Speaker 10>That doesn't mean that tech will outperform, but it's probably

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<v Speaker 10>going to keep up or follow closely behind cyclicals. Smaller caps,

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<v Speaker 10>those areas that are more sensitive to the economy. So

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<v Speaker 10>this could be a very positive environment and I think

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<v Speaker 10>one that investors will appreciate, even if we see some spasms,

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<v Speaker 10>some fits of fear and lack of confidence along the way.

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<v Speaker 4>Christina, you talked about sort of durations a moment, ago, weeks, months, years,

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<v Speaker 4>and in the context of Nvidia, for example, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the investors we had in the show after earnings

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<v Speaker 4>were long term investors who say, we accept the short

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<v Speaker 4>term volatility that we're holding because we understand the data

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<v Speaker 4>center build out that's happening. Is it important to be

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<v Speaker 4>diversified though, even if you take that much set.

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<v Speaker 10>So, you know, I think it's critical to recognize that

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<v Speaker 10>there are many many companies that will benefit from AI.

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<v Speaker 10>So if you're you're feeling very confident about the AI story,

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<v Speaker 10>that's going to help companies in a variety of different

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<v Speaker 10>sectors and industries. And in fact, we've heard on earnings

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<v Speaker 10>calls in the last quarter that companies have been using

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<v Speaker 10>AI already and seeing some really significant results in terms

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<v Speaker 10>of their sales, and so I think it's it's perhaps

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<v Speaker 10>taking that AI AI theme and looking to those other

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<v Speaker 10>sectors and industries, especially service areas of the economy to

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<v Speaker 10>find opportunities. There can be a significant diversification by just

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<v Speaker 10>doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>Christina, how important is tomorrow's jobs report? I'm sorry, how

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<v Speaker 4>important is Friday's jobs report?

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<v Speaker 6>So Friday's jobs report.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what we're really likely.

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<v Speaker 10>To see is job gains non farm payrolls around one

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<v Speaker 10>fifty one sixty in line with expectations, and that's appropriate

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<v Speaker 10>given where we are in the cycle. I think the

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<v Speaker 10>FED will be satisfied with that. I mean, it certainly

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<v Speaker 10>said it doesn't want to see any significant deterioration in

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<v Speaker 10>jobs from here. I don't think we see that, and

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<v Speaker 10>that's pretty much a pre pandemic trend level is to

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<v Speaker 10>get about one fifty one sixty one seventy. I don't

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<v Speaker 10>think there's anything that will come out of Friday's jobs

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<v Speaker 10>report that changes the Fed's decision in September. I think

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<v Speaker 10>we're going to get a twenty five basis point raycut.

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<v Speaker 10>I think if we get a week jobs report that

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<v Speaker 10>will not change that. I don't think we're going to

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<v Speaker 10>get a fifty basis point cut. That's because the FED

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<v Speaker 10>really does believe that it is doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 10>It's on course a fifty basis point cut would be

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<v Speaker 10>an admission of guilt in my opinion, Even when it

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<v Speaker 10>was behind the curve in March of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 10>it only hype grades twenty five basis points. So that's

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<v Speaker 10>how I think this is going to play out, and

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<v Speaker 10>that should be positive for markets. If we've got a

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<v Speaker 10>fifty basis point cut, we might actually see more volatility

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<v Speaker 10>and some kind of sell off because it suggests there's

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<v Speaker 10>more weakness in the economy than many thought.

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<v Speaker 3>Deja vous now versus beginning of August.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we going to get these bouts of volatility as

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive as we're suddenly seeing.

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<v Speaker 10>I suspect we will. There's a lot happening right now.

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<v Speaker 10>We not just have the FED meeting, but we have

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<v Speaker 10>a presidential election. We have a lot of other central

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<v Speaker 10>banks cutting at the same time. I think that creates

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<v Speaker 10>an environment where there's concern, where there's uncertainty. We also

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<v Speaker 10>have this dueling concern among investors where they're looking to

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<v Speaker 10>rate cuts and the opportunities presented by them, but they're

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<v Speaker 10>also still worried. There's this nagging concern that we could

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<v Speaker 10>still go into recession. And so I think that all

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<v Speaker 10>comes together in terms of outsize reactions to economic data

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<v Speaker 10>release as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Christina, so great to get the macro perspective. Christina Hooper,

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<v Speaker 2>chief Global market strategist in Invesco.

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<v Speaker 3>Now coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Open ai Across is one million customer milestone from an

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<v Speaker 2>enterprise perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>More details on the company growth. Next, this is Blueberg Technology.

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<v Speaker 4>Bloomberg Power Players is underway in New York as Bloomberg Originals.

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<v Speaker 4>Jason Kelly is sitting down today with prominent people in

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<v Speaker 4>the sports industry. He's discussing the global sports boom right

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<v Speaker 4>now with Tony Wrestler, chairman of Arias Management and of

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<v Speaker 4>the Atlanta Hawks.

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<v Speaker 6>Listen to this. Never really helped me up on that,

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<v Speaker 6>and probably should.

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<v Speaker 11>The truth of the matter is many of these as

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<v Speaker 11>Green actually mentioned, a lot of these businesses and industries,

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<v Speaker 11>and certainly leagues and teams have gone through this massive evolution,

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<v Speaker 11>and at the end of the day, it takes a

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<v Speaker 11>long time for leagues franchises to make money to show

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<v Speaker 11>the valuation that the market is now seeing. And yes,

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<v Speaker 11>your point earlier, this is an asset class we had.

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<v Speaker 6>Areas would argue.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't know two and a half three trillion dollar

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<v Speaker 11>asset class people take a step back and say, well,

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<v Speaker 11>what are you even saying? If you think about the NFL,

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<v Speaker 11>there's thirty two franchises. Average franchises maybe five or six

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<v Speaker 11>billion dollars, so one hundred and fifty hundred and sixtyllion,

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<v Speaker 11>one hundred and eighty billion of value in just franchises,

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<v Speaker 11>and each of those franchises has all sorts of ancillary

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<v Speaker 11>businesses from stadiums to real estate developments, technology related businesses,

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<v Speaker 11>retail and food and beverage related businesses. So when people

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<v Speaker 11>say what is the size of this industry? I would

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<v Speaker 11>argue at least most folks looking at it are woefully

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<v Speaker 11>underestimating the value.

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<v Speaker 6>Of this sports world globally.

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<v Speaker 11>So when people take a step back and say, wow,

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<v Speaker 11>this is a really meaningful asset class, and frankly, it's

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<v Speaker 11>an asset class that's not just for rich people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 11>it's an asset class for investors trying to now investors

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<v Speaker 11>that hopefully do real work and understand the difference. Some

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<v Speaker 11>leagues are really nasse and really early in their journey,

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<v Speaker 11>if you will, and some leagues are really comfortably seeing

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<v Speaker 11>each of their franchises make meaningful cash flow. So there

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<v Speaker 11>is analysis required, but the size and scope and excitement

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<v Speaker 11>of this industry is a little bit greater than most

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<v Speaker 11>folks might have anticipated.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and there's so much to unpack in what you

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<v Speaker 6>just said.

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<v Speaker 12>But before we get too far for evaluations, I want

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<v Speaker 12>to put a poll up if we can, because we

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<v Speaker 12>want to ask the audience what they think about I

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<v Speaker 12>think US sport US sports teams valuations, So this is

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<v Speaker 12>sort of a goldilocks question. Are they too low, just right,

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<v Speaker 12>too high? Or sky high and ridiculous. I might wait

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<v Speaker 12>to see what the audience says before I ask you

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<v Speaker 12>if they agree.

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<v Speaker 6>But you know we we've shown up on the screen here.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean these are it's not quite you know, to

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<v Speaker 12>use the tired old term hockey stick, but it's pretty

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<v Speaker 12>close when you look at NBA valuations.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, your.

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<v Speaker 12>Your friends in Los Angeles, you know, Will Obey and

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<v Speaker 12>Bob Biger just bought the NWSL team, as was mentioned

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<v Speaker 12>out there, Angel City for two hundred fifty million dollars valuation.

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<v Speaker 12>Mat That's that's real money for women's soccer, all right.

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<v Speaker 12>So here's what the audience says. Just right takes it

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<v Speaker 12>with thirty nine percent and growing forty percent too high

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<v Speaker 12>skyhand ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 6>And they're not too low, So it seems like the

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<v Speaker 6>audiences agree with you.

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<v Speaker 12>How how does this play out in the near and

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<v Speaker 12>midterm and how do you as an investor think about.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, firstly, it's so hard, at least in my mind,

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<v Speaker 11>to answer a question like that, because each of the

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<v Speaker 11>leagues and each of the franchises have enormous differences in

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<v Speaker 11>what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 13>Those teams that really have a global or the ability

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<v Speaker 13>to have a global following, those leagues and those sports

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<v Speaker 13>that actually incorporate or expect to incorporate sports betting and therefore.

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<v Speaker 11>Increasing the obsession of young people into their sport have advantages.

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<v Speaker 11>Those that have really a huge amounts of cachet and

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<v Speaker 11>stars that can attract global media rights. These are things

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 11>that distinguish I think the long term winners versus There

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<v Speaker 11>may not be as many losers as people might argue,

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<v Speaker 11>but there'll be some. There'll be some that aren't extraordinary

0:34:56.960 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 11>and that aren't global and phenomenally valuable sports and sports franchises.

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<v Speaker 11>So I kind of go by sport, and yes, I

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<v Speaker 11>do believe at the end of the day, global media

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<v Speaker 11>rights is something that you have to aspire to, and yes,

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<v Speaker 11>I'm being a little partial to the NBA, but there

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<v Speaker 11>are so many additional ancillary values that come from a

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<v Speaker 11>global following. So to me, sports are not a single entity.

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<v Speaker 11>And one of the things we would argue is understanding

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<v Speaker 11>the benefits and detriments of not just the sport, but

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<v Speaker 11>of the market that they play in and of the

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<v Speaker 11>league that they operate in. And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 11>disparage a certain city versus another, but if you're the

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<v Speaker 11>thirtieth largest metro in America versus the first, second, or third,

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<v Speaker 11>or even the top ten, dramatic difference. So again, that

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<v Speaker 11>too is awfully relevant, not just the league in the

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<v Speaker 11>sport well, and it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 12>So let's talk about that in a little more depth because.

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<v Speaker 6>We believe it.

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<v Speaker 7>There.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Wrestler, chairman of Areas Management and of the Atlanta Hawks,

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<v Speaker 2>along with our own Bloomberg originals Jason Kelly.

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<v Speaker 4>Open Ai hit a new milestone, reaching one million paid

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 4>users for the corporate version of Chat GPT. That's up

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<v Speaker 4>from around six hundred thousand the company told us about

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:31.839
<v Speaker 4>here on the show in April. From all, let's bring

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<v Speaker 4>in Bloomberg's Rachel Metz who's leading the AI coverage and

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<v Speaker 4>the point I think is one million enterprise or corporate

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<v Speaker 4>or business customers. That's where the money is potentially at

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<v Speaker 4>for open Ai.

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<v Speaker 14>Absolutely, and this much growth in a short period of

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:51.320
<v Speaker 14>time really indicates that despite having plenty of competitors and

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 14>businesses having to think more and more about, hey, are

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<v Speaker 14>we really getting a return on our investments in AI,

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<v Speaker 14>they are still bringing in users.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really quite a lot of growth.

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<v Speaker 14>It's what like sixty seven percent growth in over that

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<v Speaker 14>period of time, and they only started selling their the

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 14>enterprise version of chat GPT about a year ago exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, it's looking to raise funds.

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<v Speaker 2>We understand at a head evaluation and talking of competitors,

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<v Speaker 2>Anthropic is just rolled out its clawed enterprise How face

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<v Speaker 2>is the fight for business users right now?

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty fierce.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, you certainly have a bunch of companies that

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<v Speaker 14>are interested in spending on this stuff, but as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 14>there's more and more pressure to show what you're getting

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<v Speaker 14>from this. And though the companies might have I think

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<v Speaker 14>open ai has done some customer surveys and Entropic perhaps

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 14>has done similarly that show that their customers are liking

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<v Speaker 14>this stuff and getting productivity gains perhaps from it, using

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<v Speaker 14>it for different kinds of tasks. It's still, I think

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<v Speaker 14>for a lot of businesses, really hard for them to

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<v Speaker 14>tell what can do you use it? Or will it

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<v Speaker 14>actually be helpful. We know that these things may make

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<v Speaker 14>things up, and if you have to check a lot

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<v Speaker 14>of the results that you're getting from these systems, is

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<v Speaker 14>that really all that helpful to you?

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<v Speaker 6>It remains to be seen.

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<v Speaker 14>I think for a lot of businesses if this will

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<v Speaker 14>help them.

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel Mattz, we thank you all things, those chatbots, but

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<v Speaker 2>now let's just go back to some of the infrastructure needed.

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<v Speaker 2>We preview Broadcom set to release earnings after the closing

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<v Speaker 2>bell today Bloomberg Intelligence, saying that the company is poised

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<v Speaker 2>for another strong third quarter foroign growth in AI sales

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<v Speaker 2>and VMware's contribution.

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<v Speaker 3>Contin Savani is with us from Bloombag Intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>You authored this note so the tailwinds can outstrip some

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<v Speaker 2>lagging soft areas in the chip market.

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 15>I mean the AI in the semis is likely to

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<v Speaker 15>offset its cyclical headwills in its legacy businesses. We think

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<v Speaker 15>in its legacy businesses, the enterprise wireless and server storage

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<v Speaker 15>likely to have hit some bottom, albeit the recovery would

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<v Speaker 15>more be moderate. But the key road driver in this

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<v Speaker 15>quarter in the next quarter is going to come from

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<v Speaker 15>the software, specifically the VMware.

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<v Speaker 4>Revenues pro comes to become a really big chip company

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<v Speaker 4>seven hundred pillion dollar market cap. It's important in data censers, right,

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<v Speaker 4>always think about it in these kind of two proms networking,

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<v Speaker 4>data center infrastructure stuff, but also custom asex explain the

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<v Speaker 4>customer a sex bay, what they do and what we

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<v Speaker 4>might hear.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, So whenever we've talked about Nvidia and right, the

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<v Speaker 15>key threat to in media is it's customers designing their

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<v Speaker 15>own chips. Well, Google TPU for example, Yes, Google TPU

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<v Speaker 15>for example. They do need a designed partner, a semi

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<v Speaker 15>conductor company which has experience and the IP set to

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<v Speaker 15>build these chips. So that's where broadcome comes in. It's

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<v Speaker 15>one of the heat has the largest share when it

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<v Speaker 15>comes to designing custom asex or accelerators in lieu of

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<v Speaker 15>the GPU's namely Google Meta. And the key thing going

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<v Speaker 15>into this earnings for investors will be do they announce

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<v Speaker 15>a new customer, which news have been saying likely to

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<v Speaker 15>be open AI and if they upside their AI revenue

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<v Speaker 15>guidance for the full year, which we think they will

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<v Speaker 15>in the range of five hundred million into a billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>The anxiety, Kunjin, is that right now the revenue growth

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<v Speaker 2>is strong. We're expecting forty seven percent increase, but it

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<v Speaker 2>dials down quite quickly into fiscal twenty five twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>How committed is this AI spend.

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<v Speaker 15>So if you look at their two key sources of revenue,

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<v Speaker 15>one being connectivity which is really Ethernet in the AI

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<v Speaker 15>clusters and the back and AI in the front and

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<v Speaker 15>AI and the custom A six, both of these markets

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<v Speaker 15>have just started their beginning ramp. Both of these have

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<v Speaker 15>forecasted to grow significantly for at least the next three

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<v Speaker 15>to five years. And like I said, Broadcom being the

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<v Speaker 15>dominant in both of these areas, we expect these sources

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<v Speaker 15>of revenue for Broadcom to still continue significantly. However, at

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<v Speaker 15>this point, Dotcom is like a conglomerate. It has a

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<v Speaker 15>lot of other legacy semiconductor businesses and software businesses, so

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<v Speaker 15>those do weigh the strong AIRAM that we talked about.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you forget we used to talk about pro Com

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<v Speaker 4>in the context of smartphones. Namingly Apple, I will be

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<v Speaker 4>going to Apple Park on Monday.

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<v Speaker 6>That business. Is it still relevant? What are they doing?

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<v Speaker 15>It's still relevant, It's still a significant, sizable business. We

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<v Speaker 15>don't expect any key high growth catalyst there because their

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<v Speaker 15>business has been very sticky with Apple right. They do

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<v Speaker 15>increase their asps and growth margins slowly every year. There

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<v Speaker 15>might be some options of some small content gains, but

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<v Speaker 15>nothing very sexy, but still a very high free castle

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<v Speaker 15>generating business.

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<v Speaker 2>We think also of how chips perform after smashing expectations. Conjin,

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<v Speaker 2>who are fundamentals guy? How we positioned into this set

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<v Speaker 2>of earnings?

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, Broadcom doesn't really is known for very massive beat

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<v Speaker 15>and raises. However, like I said, if they do address

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<v Speaker 15>a couple of the points, a new custom or is

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<v Speaker 15>it customer announcement be upside to their AI revenues and

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<v Speaker 15>VMware is faster integration update, I think that would be

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<v Speaker 15>a significant positive for the sock reaction post learnings.

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<v Speaker 3>Hendre Savani, so great to have you on the show

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