WEBVTT - Two Jersey Js: From Chaos to Calm 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.680 Hi, guys. It's Jen Fessler and Jackie Golschneider and we 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.879 are two Jersey Jays. Yes we are, Jen. How are you? 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:11.159 I am well, how are you? You had a big 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:11.959 night last night? 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.400 Last night I had I hosted the National Eating Disorder 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:19.400 Association Gala, which was such an amazing moment. I keep 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.920 wanting to call it full circle, but full circle means 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.360 you started, you end up at the place that you started, 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:29.840 So it's not but it's uh, it was amazing. It's 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.720 definitely like when I was, you know, very sick for 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:37.040 so long. It's NITO was an organization that I looked 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.239 to and so to now be like on the other 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.040 side of this illness and hosting the gala, it was 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:43.040 really special. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.159 It was beautiful. It's really beautiful. I'm so proud of you. Seriously, 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.680 I mean, I know, maybe it's not full circle for you, 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.600 but full circle and maybe in terms of helping people 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.480 that are still struggling like you were, I don't know, Yeah, 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:57.880 I know it sounds cliche. 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.959 I do feel like that's my purpose, Like if they're 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.280 there is a reason for all of this or any 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:04.720 of this or all the years I struggled or the 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.160 reason why I have a platform. I do think it's 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.119 to help people not have to live like I lived. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.400 But because it's so hard to hear the stories. Is 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.039 it hard to hear the stories? Jack, Does it bring 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:16.679 you back? No? 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:21.280 No, I have no like triggers in terms of other 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.280 people struggling. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.280 It doesn't like set me off. I don't mean it 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.119 like that, but it just means me so it must 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.160 resonate with you. It's it's sad. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:34.000 I like I want it to almost like shake them 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.440 and be like it's so much better like without. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.280 It, you know, it's not the way it works. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:39.640 Yeah. 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:45.600 No, A lot were parents of people whose struggle. A 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.400 lot were people who turned to NITA thirty years ago 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.080 and then decided to get involved and have been on 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:52.520 the board. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:55.440 There was a wide variety. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.680 A lot of people there were recovered and just had 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.040 had you know, had you used NITA through the years 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.440 to recover. So it was a wide mix of people. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.280 But it was a really nice It. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:09.959 Was the first time we met. I don't and you 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:11.760 don't even remember meeting me there, but I remember meeting you. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:13.880 It was at the dress for a success event. Of 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:15.920 course I remember meeting you. You ate you came with 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:20.640 a big suitcase full shoes, shoes and majors. But also 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:25.639 I just remember you speaking this room full of women 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.040 who had either been incarcerated or were coming out of 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.639 such you know, severe poverty and rest for success. It's 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.799 this amazing organization obviously that helps them to get jobs 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:41.359 and interview skills and so. But you spoke, and you 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.840 were able to connect so beautifully with these women, and 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.680 you know, you have never been obviously incarcerated, and you 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.120 didn't grow up in poverty, but you were able to 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.240 go out your own Everybody obviously has trauma in their life, 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.839 and everybody goes through stuff. But I just I will 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.600 never forget thinking that you were just such an amazing 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.960 speaker and also had such a great ability to connect 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.560 with these women who hadn't gone through you know, you 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.080 hadn't gone through what they had. But so I can 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.040 only imagine you talking to people who have gone through 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.680 the similar struggles. You know, must have been so great 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:13.520 for them. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.480 Yeah, I mean I do love public speaking. Maybe that's 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.880 why I love podcasting, or maybe I just have a. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.079 Great co host. So yes, it's all me. You get 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:23.440 it from me. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.480 Crazy News Day. Uh, you know this will air a 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:32.480 few days after we record. But yesterday I saw that 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.280 Liam Payne died. That's that's crazy. Whenever a young person 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.640 with so much talent dies, it just it breaks my heart. 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.160 It showed like him snapchat not snapchatting, what is it called? Yeah, 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.080 it was snapchat as it's not. I kept up with 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:50.160 his crap, but like right before and he was so lucid, 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:51.960 and I guess he had a He had a woman 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.760 that he was having breakfast with and they were just 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.320 chit chatting, and then an hour later or something, it 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:04.560 all turned yea addiction socks man, life can change? Really? 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.360 Did he have addiction issues? I knew nothing about it. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.880 That's why I don't know for sure, because he's been alleged. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.280 I don't know, but I mean, that's what they're saying 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.040 on the news that he struggled for years. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.599 Thirty one years old time. You know, don't sweat the 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.800 small stuff. That was a book, right, Did you ever 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:22.080 read that? 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.280 You know? A book I bought the other day. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.800 I went through a want to change my life little 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.679 like thing the other day and I ran the Barnes 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.560 and Noble and I bought this book called Atomic Habits. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.520 Did you ever read it, No, never heard of it. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:38.240 It is phenomenal, really like the number one self help 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.960 book in the world. It's about making really small changes 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:46.839 to your habits and uh them compiling into these amazing 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:48.600 life changes. It's really good. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.320 But speaking of that, yes, I was going to say, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.000 you are teeing beautifully. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.080 Yeah, it sort of like translates into what we're talking 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:56.799 about today, So why don't you take it away? 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.200 So you guys were actually very excited about today's episode, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.520 and I know that both of us, actually Jackie, feel 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.200 like we're going to get a lot out of this 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:13.040 one because we're talking about chaos, about home organizing, about stuff, 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.600 having too much of it, how to deal with it. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.200 And I know, because we've spoken about it, Jackie, that 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.520 we both suffer from Maybe we're not hoarders, but I 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.240 have a very hard time throwing things away and as 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.960 a result, really hard time. Yep. And as a result, 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.000 you know, you walk into my house, my house is neat, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:36.280 and you know, from what you can see, everything has 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.440 a place. Just don't open a drawer or go into 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.000 my basement, because that's what I do. I just actually 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.160 just avoid the basement at all costs because it just 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.680 depresses me, even mind I get closet for friends. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.880 Remember they had that closet where you open it and 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.800 like everything would just come falling out. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.200 Yes, that was my locker in high school, and I 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.760 remember being so and it is funny, but I remember 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.920 just being so embarrassed by it. Like everybody else and 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.920 my friends, it was funny to all of us, but 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.760 it wasn't really funny. Like I remember going to just 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.760 to shove stuff in and pull out and I couldn't 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.840 find anything, and it was kind of depressing, you know, 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.919 it was not like that happily anymore. It's not you know, 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.120 it's not I think that was probably also about a 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.960 little bit of depression as a teenager. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.479 But anyway, you know, it's hard because there's I don't 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.880 know where the line is. So like I have some 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:34.240 friends who are like, ugh, I throw everything out. I 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.640 I throw it out while people are still using it, 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:37.280 Like I do. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.080 I have no problem. I hate stuff. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.359 And then I have other people who are like me, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.719 where everything you see the sentimental value in everything, you 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:51.520 see the potential future use in everything, and it's just hard, 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.200 you know. So one of the reasons why this is 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.480 so pertinent to middle aged women specifically, is because we 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:03.760 are that sand which generation where we have we're taking 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:07.440 care of parents and children, and even if your children 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:11.000 are not in the home anymore, you're still you still 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.320 have all of your kids stuff. They're not that old, right, 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.440 they're like either teenagers or early twenties. 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.320 And your parents they're old, but you have all of 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.480 their stuff, you know, So we just not just not 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.480 just parents either. Yeah. So because I don't know if 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.560 you have this, Jack, but because in my family, I 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.040 have the biggest home. Like so Thanksgiving is always here, 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:35.680 there's like usually thirty people here. But also, like you know, 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.800 my mom and my cousins, they all live in very 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.320 nice homes, but they're just not as spacious. So for 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.640 whatever reason, my house and my sister lives in an apartment, 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.960 my house became the place to just bring things. Jen, 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.120 Can you store this in your basement in your garage? 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.640 Obviously the ANSWER's always yes. But as a result, I've 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.800 got you have like my aunt mom, Mom is a 0:07:55.840 --> 0:08:00.600 twin so my mom is Marilyn Carolyn's first wedding album album. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.320 And I realized it last Thanksgiving when everyone was here, 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:04.840 I was like, who wants to see and Ka's wedding, 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.440 Like it's so ridiculous that I have not just it's 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.440 not just my mom's stuff. It's my cousin's old pictures 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.480 and boxes and boxes of you know, my sister and 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.119 I and our stuff when we were you know, in 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.400 elementary school and and like that my mom just gives 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.360 to me. So, yes, this is my house has a 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:28.240 lot of memorabilia stuff. Some of it I wish I 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.880 could throw out some of it. I just can't bring 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.560 myself to, I know. And what was it like growing 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.120 up for you? Where you was your mom? Like did 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.160 she keep everything? Or was she? My mom is in 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:43.320 a neat freak for sure, so I don't remember, you know, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.600 necessarily that she kept everything, But I do remember everything 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:52.960 was always super organized even now, like you know, back 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.679 in the day. I don't know, depending upon what age 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.480 our listeners are right now, but we actually used to 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.920 take these things called pictures and put them into these 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.959 is called photo albums, and then we would like take 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.679 this piece of plastic and fold it over the pictures. 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.560 I used to scrap book. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.920 I actually used to really scrap book, like with the microts, 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.880 like ribbon stuff really everything. 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.720 Yeah, you got to see some of my albums. I 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.000 used to love it well so, but my mom always 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.079 had all of her albums, you know, piled up with 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.600 everything was written down underneath the picture was the date 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:29.480 of it, you know, Jen's first. I don't know tooth 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.360 like even all of that. So I was never good 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.800 at that as a result. So my mom, yes, so 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.880 he's organized. She didn't throw that much away. But now 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.040 I am not like that, And so I have like 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:46.880 these boxes pictures and stuff from school, from the everything 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.920 that I saved, and it's sticking together and I just 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.200 never want to actually take it on. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.280 I have boxes that I haven't unpacked from when I 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.560 moved eleven years ago for my house. I put them 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.120 right into like my basement storage area and just never yeah, I. 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.160 Mean, but they're like, look at it. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.920 I have like hospital records, I have like of like 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.400 my kids being born. I don't can't bring myself to 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:08.960 throw that stuff out. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.000 I have my law school books, like I don't know 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.079 what to do with them. You know, you ever thought 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.360 it's good, it's good. Yeah. When I think about like 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.600 our next step, I'm talking about me and Jeff, and 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.320 you know, when we're done living in suburbia in this 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.920 colonial we want to go. I just keep thinking, I 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:31.400 want to go somewhere easy, small, light and bright without stuff. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.520 I don't want any stuff now, of course everybody I'm 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.040 going to have stuff, but like that's what I picture 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.800 because going even going into my basement and I and 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.080 seeing the stuff puts me in a bad mood. I 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:43.440 don't like. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.840 I know, I do feel a lot better when I 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.880 clean something out. Sometimes it feels like a big waste 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.400 of time to me, though, which is something that I 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.800 need to get past because it is time worthy. But 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.760 I just have a really hard time, like I have, 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.760 specifically a very hard time. So you're on the opposite 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.160 end of this problem. So in the past year, I've 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:04.720 gained weight, you've lost a lot of weight. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:05.600 What. 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:07.880 I have a lot of clothes in my closet that 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.959 just don't won't even go over my thigh and I 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.440 want to get rid of them, and I know I 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.240 should get rid of them, but they're expensive, beautiful clothing. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:17.959 I don't know what to do with it. I don't 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.600 want to like randomly put it in a bag and 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:24.600 send it off in a truck, you know, because it's beautiful. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.280 Clothing and I don't want to get started like selling 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.320 on eBay. I don't know what to do with any 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:30.199 of this stuff. 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.079 No, I do with it. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.679 I mean, I have the same problem. But I've definitely 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:39.240 like I've I've gotten rid of a lot, and partially 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:44.920 because my daughter, who is twenty two, when she is 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.760 in need of money, goes through my closet, asks me 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:49.679 what I want when I don't, and then she sells. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:54.520 So it's oh, amazing, Yeah, where does she sell it? Yeah, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:56.480 I mean you're asking the wrong girl. Honey, I'll give 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.840 you Rachel's number. She'll sell your stuff too, if you'd like. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.360 I wish I'll keep the money. Do you have a 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:07.000 lot of things from when your kids were babies? I 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:08.960 have a lot, of course, I have a lot of stuff. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.040 But you know, I can get into a moon and 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.640 then all of a sudden just kind of get rid. 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.120 Just I'm in the mood of just cleaning it out 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.880 and get a big old garbage bag, and and I 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.000 never think about it again once I get rid of it. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.800 You know, I'd have like maybe what I brought Rachel 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.679 home and Jack home, you know, from the hospital, and 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.280 I have that, but I don't keep and keep like 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:32.240 all of their clothes or but certainly their first blankets, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.600 but not much. I mean I keep saying to myself, like, 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.840 you have a lot I don't do. And I smell them. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.960 I know it's so bad. I go down sometimes and 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.680 smell them. Oh but they still smell smell like my babies, 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:45.160 they do. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.720 I used to use this lotion from Mastella and I 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.440 used it on all four of my kids throughout their 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.480 entire like childhood, until they were like ten years old. 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.240 Right. It was the lotion after the. 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:02.640 Shower, and their clothes sometimes still smell like it. I 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.640 mean I washed their clothes, but obviously makes me sad 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.760 sometimes then you think, like are the kids going to 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.120 want to see all their stuff? Like are they going 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:12.760 to get older and want to see all of their 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.320 paperwork from you know, fourth grade? I have mine because 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.800 my mother saved it, right, But do I spend time 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.800 going through my mister Hamlin's class in fourth grade? And no, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.080 I just don't, you know, So it's like collecting dust 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.640 down there. And then when my in laws passed also 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.400 there was they had so much stuff, right, but like. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.520 Did you have to go through that and take care? Yeah? Yeah, 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.560 because my sister in law is in Atlanta, so yes, 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.320 and there were things that I knew, and I asked 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:43.599 the family, you know, you guys want this? Do you 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:47.640 guys want that? But there's so many pictures, and I 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:49.640 don't know. I don't know that it'd be great for 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.880 my kids to have pictures of their grandparents and their 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.400 kids to have pictures, but like how many is necessary? 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.199 You know? Yeah, I don't know, well, but we I know, Well, 0:13:58.200 --> 0:13:59.000 that's a good question. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:02.400 I feel like if I had a change of mindset, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.200 which I'm hoping that our guests today it can do 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.120 for me a change of mindset. And also like a strategy, 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.040 a better strategy than just like you know, get three 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.719 bags and make one to be you know, throw out 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:15.840 one to donate. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.120 Like that is a lot of effort. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.240 Like if if there was a strategy of like like 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.520 I heard someone say once and I'll bring this up again, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.560 if you can get rid of something and if you 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.600 can replace something for less than twenty dollars in less 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.040 than twenty minutes and you haven't used it in a year, 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:30.640 throw it out. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.440 And I like strategies like that. You know what I'm saying, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.200 I'm interested in, Like what that breaking that down. So 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.120 if you can replace it, I mean, we're talking about 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:38.600 it easy. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.400 But let's say you have a let's say you have 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:46.080 a book that you haven't read and ever and you're 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:46.920 never planning on. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.000 Reading it, right, But that's the problem. I think maybe 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.800 I'll read it. Who knows. Maybe that's the kind of thing. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.040 You've had this book for seven years sitting on your bookshelf, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:57.920 you could you could throw it out. If you could 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.120 replace that book for twenty dollars or less than twenty, 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:01.720 I mean, you can hop on e Bay and get 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.880 it for I mean on Amazon, get it for ten dollars. 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.480 Right, So, but that's an awful lot of stuff. That's 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:15.320 about half my house. Yeah. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:21.200 So today we are interviewing the owners of an amazing 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:27.640 home organizing company called neat Freaks. It is Lauren to 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:32.080 Tungi and Nicole Ndrich. So it's neat Freaks home dot com. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.640 And Lauren began organizing place bases for her clients as 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:40.480 a speech pathologist, and the clients were overwhelmed and easily distracted. 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:44.120 And Nicole is a licensed realtor who began helping others 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.400 organize their home in preparation for their sale. 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.440 Or their move That makes sense that that, you know. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.840 Yeah, both types of backgrounds definitely lend themselves to home organization. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.400 I know, I have a lot of friends who are 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.400 realtors and they go in and they just say, you've 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.360 got to They just go through. You got to get 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.920 rid of all of this clutter. Clutters the big word, right, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.240 because people when you walk into a house that you're 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.480 you're looking for a home, that's a turn off, right 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.560 seeing right, you have to see it sleet. Yeah, hey yeah, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.400 but that's then you think to yourself, well, that would 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.720 make me happy every single day to come home and see, 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.600 you know, a clean slate, not all this clutter. So 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.040 not just for the people walking in to buy my house, 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.640 I would love to organize. So I have a million 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.560 questions for them. I know you do too. So uh, 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:33.880 let's welcome Lauren and Nicole. Hi, Hi, Hi, thank you 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:39.720 guys so much. We're so pretty, I know, aren't they? Yes? 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.400 So Jen and I were just talking about but all 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.760 the reasons why we have so much stuff. So it's 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.680 hard for Jen and I to let go of things. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:49.640 You know, we have our. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.560 Parents stuff, we have our kids stuff. Everything for me 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.680 is sentimental. Jen you feel that way too, right. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.160 I do. I mean not everything, certainly, but I have, 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.160 you know, have guilt. Putting those things that maybe you know, 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:07.800 we're from my kid's second grade Valentine's Day construction paper 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:12.080 heart into a garbage bag just hurts right, right, So 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:13.760 why don't they start forth grade? 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.640 Before we start asking you a million questions about how 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:18.639 to tackle all of this? 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:21.679 What do you guys do for people? 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.840 So we do it. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.399 We can do something as simple as a closet or 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:32.359 a pantry, or we can help with a move, you know, 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.040 out of a home and downsizing to a smaller home. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.760 There's no kind of project too small or too big, 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:39.760 but we do it all. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.280 But what we like to think we do is we 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:47.159 bring calm to chaos. That's kind of what our goal is. 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.680 Yes, love that, that's what I mean. So let's start 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.200 with the sentimental items, right. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:57.120 So, like, I have a lot of clothes for when 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:01.320 my kids were babies, their Halloween costUS umes, I have 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:05.040 their you know, their their second grade class album. I 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.000 have you know something that his class, aiden's class made 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:08.440 him when he. 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:09.000 Had his tonsils. 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.040 I have all this stuff, right, can't bring myself to 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:13.679 toss it what do you do with stuff? 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:18.879 So different answers for different of different items, But what 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.960 I would say in general is if you can limit 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:27.600 every family member to one clear plastic bin that's labeled 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.920 with their name, you can't. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:34.000 Have I already love this so much, brilliantly, I know jus. 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.320 In in your child bin, the outfit they came home 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.199 from the hospital one it's irreplaceable. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.560 Maybe you'll use it for a grandchild one day. 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.520 It's sentimental, it's valuable, it's meaningful, it's all of the above. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.640 The Halloween costume that you likely have a gazillion pictures 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:57.120 of them in that costume. Make an album in your 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:02.280 phone photos labeled memories. Again, you can have it labeled 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.320 by child. It could be each child's memories or just 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:06.280 memories in general. 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.880 That's where you put things like Halloween costumes. 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:11.400 You mean you take a picture of them and put 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.000 it in the costume. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.680 Million pictures of the child, and then that market memories. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.240 Or if it's something you don't have a picture of, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.720 take a picture of it, like the valentine that they 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:26.240 made you. Some are projects. I'm also okay with buying 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:30.760 one portfolio, like those big black narrow that take up 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:35.200 very little room per child and putting in our projects. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.760 At some point you go back because I did this, 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:39.960 and you're like, I don't know why I get this, 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.440 But if right now you can't part with it, keep 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.919 give them a portfolio and give them one clear plastic bin. 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:47.040 Got it? 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.639 Love that? Hey? I love that? And how do you like? 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.600 What's your advice for detaching emotionally from something that? Like 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.600 I could see myself standing there staring at everything and 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.879