Speaker 1: Hi, guys. It's Jen Fessler and Jackie Golschneider and we
Speaker 1: are two Jersey Jays. Yes we are, Jen. How are you?
Speaker 1: I am well, how are you? You had a big
Speaker 1: night last night?
Speaker 2: Last night I had I hosted the National Eating Disorder
Speaker 2: Association Gala, which was such an amazing moment. I keep
Speaker 2: wanting to call it full circle, but full circle means
Speaker 2: you started, you end up at the place that you started,
Speaker 2: So it's not but it's uh, it was amazing. It's
Speaker 2: definitely like when I was, you know, very sick for
Speaker 2: so long. It's NITO was an organization that I looked
Speaker 2: to and so to now be like on the other
Speaker 2: side of this illness and hosting the gala, it was
Speaker 2: really special.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. It's really beautiful. I'm so proud of you. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, maybe it's not full circle for you,
Speaker 1: but full circle and maybe in terms of helping people
Speaker 1: that are still struggling like you were, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it sounds cliche.
Speaker 2: I do feel like that's my purpose, Like if they're
Speaker 2: there is a reason for all of this or any
Speaker 2: of this or all the years I struggled or the
Speaker 2: reason why I have a platform. I do think it's
Speaker 2: to help people not have to live like I lived.
Speaker 1: But because it's so hard to hear the stories. Is
Speaker 1: it hard to hear the stories? Jack, Does it bring
Speaker 1: you back? No?
Speaker 2: No, I have no like triggers in terms of other
Speaker 2: people struggling.
Speaker 1: It doesn't like set me off. I don't mean it
Speaker 1: like that, but it just means me so it must
Speaker 1: resonate with you. It's it's sad.
Speaker 2: I like I want it to almost like shake them
Speaker 2: and be like it's so much better like without.
Speaker 1: It, you know, it's not the way it works.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, A lot were parents of people whose struggle. A
Speaker 2: lot were people who turned to NITA thirty years ago
Speaker 2: and then decided to get involved and have been on
Speaker 2: the board.
Speaker 1: There was a wide variety.
Speaker 2: A lot of people there were recovered and just had
Speaker 2: had you know, had you used NITA through the years
Speaker 2: to recover. So it was a wide mix of people.
Speaker 2: But it was a really nice It.
Speaker 1: Was the first time we met. I don't and you
Speaker 1: don't even remember meeting me there, but I remember meeting you.
Speaker 1: It was at the dress for a success event. Of
Speaker 1: course I remember meeting you. You ate you came with
Speaker 1: a big suitcase full shoes, shoes and majors. But also
Speaker 1: I just remember you speaking this room full of women
Speaker 1: who had either been incarcerated or were coming out of
Speaker 1: such you know, severe poverty and rest for success. It's
Speaker 1: this amazing organization obviously that helps them to get jobs
Speaker 1: and interview skills and so. But you spoke, and you
Speaker 1: were able to connect so beautifully with these women, and
Speaker 1: you know, you have never been obviously incarcerated, and you
Speaker 1: didn't grow up in poverty, but you were able to
Speaker 1: go out your own Everybody obviously has trauma in their life,
Speaker 1: and everybody goes through stuff. But I just I will
Speaker 1: never forget thinking that you were just such an amazing
Speaker 1: speaker and also had such a great ability to connect
Speaker 1: with these women who hadn't gone through you know, you
Speaker 1: hadn't gone through what they had. But so I can
Speaker 1: only imagine you talking to people who have gone through
Speaker 1: the similar struggles. You know, must have been so great
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do love public speaking. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: why I love podcasting, or maybe I just have a.
Speaker 1: Great co host. So yes, it's all me. You get
Speaker 1: it from me.
Speaker 2: Crazy News Day. Uh, you know this will air a
Speaker 2: few days after we record. But yesterday I saw that
Speaker 2: Liam Payne died. That's that's crazy. Whenever a young person
Speaker 2: with so much talent dies, it just it breaks my heart.
Speaker 1: It showed like him snapchat not snapchatting, what is it called? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was snapchat as it's not. I kept up with
Speaker 1: his crap, but like right before and he was so lucid,
Speaker 1: and I guess he had a He had a woman
Speaker 1: that he was having breakfast with and they were just
Speaker 1: chit chatting, and then an hour later or something, it
Speaker 1: all turned yea addiction socks man, life can change? Really?
Speaker 1: Did he have addiction issues? I knew nothing about it.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't know for sure, because he's been alleged.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, that's what they're saying
Speaker 1: on the news that he struggled for years.
Speaker 2: Thirty one years old time. You know, don't sweat the
Speaker 2: small stuff. That was a book, right, Did you ever
Speaker 2: read that?
Speaker 1: You know? A book I bought the other day.
Speaker 2: I went through a want to change my life little
Speaker 2: like thing the other day and I ran the Barnes
Speaker 2: and Noble and I bought this book called Atomic Habits.
Speaker 1: Did you ever read it, No, never heard of it.
Speaker 2: It is phenomenal, really like the number one self help
Speaker 2: book in the world. It's about making really small changes
Speaker 2: to your habits and uh them compiling into these amazing
Speaker 2: life changes. It's really good.
Speaker 1: But speaking of that, yes, I was going to say,
Speaker 1: you are teeing beautifully.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sort of like translates into what we're talking
Speaker 2: about today, So why don't you take it away?
Speaker 1: So you guys were actually very excited about today's episode,
Speaker 1: and I know that both of us, actually Jackie, feel
Speaker 1: like we're going to get a lot out of this
Speaker 1: one because we're talking about chaos, about home organizing, about stuff,
Speaker 1: having too much of it, how to deal with it.
Speaker 1: And I know, because we've spoken about it, Jackie, that
Speaker 1: we both suffer from Maybe we're not hoarders, but I
Speaker 1: have a very hard time throwing things away and as
Speaker 1: a result, really hard time. Yep. And as a result,
Speaker 1: you know, you walk into my house, my house is neat,
Speaker 1: and you know, from what you can see, everything has
Speaker 1: a place. Just don't open a drawer or go into
Speaker 1: my basement, because that's what I do. I just actually
Speaker 1: just avoid the basement at all costs because it just
Speaker 1: depresses me, even mind I get closet for friends.
Speaker 2: Remember they had that closet where you open it and
Speaker 2: like everything would just come falling out.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was my locker in high school, and I
Speaker 1: remember being so and it is funny, but I remember
Speaker 1: just being so embarrassed by it. Like everybody else and
Speaker 1: my friends, it was funny to all of us, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't really funny. Like I remember going to just
Speaker 1: to shove stuff in and pull out and I couldn't
Speaker 1: find anything, and it was kind of depressing, you know,
Speaker 1: it was not like that happily anymore. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's not I think that was probably also about a
Speaker 1: little bit of depression as a teenager.
Speaker 2: But anyway, you know, it's hard because there's I don't
Speaker 2: know where the line is. So like I have some
Speaker 2: friends who are like, ugh, I throw everything out. I
Speaker 2: I throw it out while people are still using it,
Speaker 2: Like I do.
Speaker 1: I have no problem. I hate stuff.
Speaker 2: And then I have other people who are like me,
Speaker 2: where everything you see the sentimental value in everything, you
Speaker 2: see the potential future use in everything, and it's just hard,
Speaker 2: you know. So one of the reasons why this is
Speaker 2: so pertinent to middle aged women specifically, is because we
Speaker 2: are that sand which generation where we have we're taking
Speaker 2: care of parents and children, and even if your children
Speaker 2: are not in the home anymore, you're still you still
Speaker 2: have all of your kids stuff. They're not that old, right,
Speaker 2: they're like either teenagers or early twenties.
Speaker 1: And your parents they're old, but you have all of
Speaker 1: their stuff, you know, So we just not just not
Speaker 1: just parents either. Yeah. So because I don't know if
Speaker 1: you have this, Jack, but because in my family, I
Speaker 1: have the biggest home. Like so Thanksgiving is always here,
Speaker 1: there's like usually thirty people here. But also, like you know,
Speaker 1: my mom and my cousins, they all live in very
Speaker 1: nice homes, but they're just not as spacious. So for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, my house and my sister lives in an apartment,
Speaker 1: my house became the place to just bring things. Jen,
Speaker 1: Can you store this in your basement in your garage?
Speaker 1: Obviously the ANSWER's always yes. But as a result, I've
Speaker 1: got you have like my aunt mom, Mom is a
Speaker 1: twin so my mom is Marilyn Carolyn's first wedding album album.
Speaker 1: And I realized it last Thanksgiving when everyone was here,
Speaker 1: I was like, who wants to see and Ka's wedding,
Speaker 1: Like it's so ridiculous that I have not just it's
Speaker 1: not just my mom's stuff. It's my cousin's old pictures
Speaker 1: and boxes and boxes of you know, my sister and
Speaker 1: I and our stuff when we were you know, in
Speaker 1: elementary school and and like that my mom just gives
Speaker 1: to me. So, yes, this is my house has a
Speaker 1: lot of memorabilia stuff. Some of it I wish I
Speaker 1: could throw out some of it. I just can't bring
Speaker 1: myself to, I know. And what was it like growing
Speaker 1: up for you? Where you was your mom? Like did
Speaker 1: she keep everything? Or was she? My mom is in
Speaker 1: a neat freak for sure, so I don't remember, you know,
Speaker 1: necessarily that she kept everything, But I do remember everything
Speaker 1: was always super organized even now, like you know, back
Speaker 1: in the day. I don't know, depending upon what age
Speaker 1: our listeners are right now, but we actually used to
Speaker 1: take these things called pictures and put them into these
Speaker 1: is called photo albums, and then we would like take
Speaker 1: this piece of plastic and fold it over the pictures.
Speaker 1: I used to scrap book.
Speaker 2: I actually used to really scrap book, like with the microts,
Speaker 2: like ribbon stuff really everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to see some of my albums. I
Speaker 1: used to love it well so, but my mom always
Speaker 1: had all of her albums, you know, piled up with
Speaker 1: everything was written down underneath the picture was the date
Speaker 1: of it, you know, Jen's first. I don't know tooth
Speaker 1: like even all of that. So I was never good
Speaker 1: at that as a result. So my mom, yes, so
Speaker 1: he's organized. She didn't throw that much away. But now
Speaker 1: I am not like that, And so I have like
Speaker 1: these boxes pictures and stuff from school, from the everything
Speaker 1: that I saved, and it's sticking together and I just
Speaker 1: never want to actually take it on.
Speaker 2: I have boxes that I haven't unpacked from when I
Speaker 2: moved eleven years ago for my house. I put them
Speaker 2: right into like my basement storage area and just never yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, but they're like, look at it.
Speaker 2: I have like hospital records, I have like of like
Speaker 2: my kids being born. I don't can't bring myself to
Speaker 2: throw that stuff out.
Speaker 1: I have my law school books, like I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with them. You know, you ever thought
Speaker 1: it's good, it's good. Yeah. When I think about like
Speaker 1: our next step, I'm talking about me and Jeff, and
Speaker 1: you know, when we're done living in suburbia in this
Speaker 1: colonial we want to go. I just keep thinking, I
Speaker 1: want to go somewhere easy, small, light and bright without stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't want any stuff now, of course everybody I'm
Speaker 1: going to have stuff, but like that's what I picture
Speaker 1: because going even going into my basement and I and
Speaker 1: seeing the stuff puts me in a bad mood. I
Speaker 1: don't like.
Speaker 2: I know, I do feel a lot better when I
Speaker 2: clean something out. Sometimes it feels like a big waste
Speaker 2: of time to me, though, which is something that I
Speaker 2: need to get past because it is time worthy. But
Speaker 2: I just have a really hard time, like I have,
Speaker 2: specifically a very hard time. So you're on the opposite
Speaker 2: end of this problem. So in the past year, I've
Speaker 2: gained weight, you've lost a lot of weight.
Speaker 4: What.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of clothes in my closet that
Speaker 2: just don't won't even go over my thigh and I
Speaker 2: want to get rid of them, and I know I
Speaker 2: should get rid of them, but they're expensive, beautiful clothing.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with it. I don't
Speaker 1: want to like randomly put it in a bag and
Speaker 1: send it off in a truck, you know, because it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Clothing and I don't want to get started like selling
Speaker 2: on eBay. I don't know what to do with any
Speaker 2: of this stuff.
Speaker 4: No, I do with it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have the same problem. But I've definitely
Speaker 1: like I've I've gotten rid of a lot, and partially
Speaker 1: because my daughter, who is twenty two, when she is
Speaker 1: in need of money, goes through my closet, asks me
Speaker 1: what I want when I don't, and then she sells.
Speaker 1: So it's oh, amazing, Yeah, where does she sell it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're asking the wrong girl. Honey, I'll give
Speaker 1: you Rachel's number. She'll sell your stuff too, if you'd like.
Speaker 1: I wish I'll keep the money. Do you have a
Speaker 1: lot of things from when your kids were babies? I
Speaker 1: have a lot, of course, I have a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, I can get into a moon and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden just kind of get rid.
Speaker 1: Just I'm in the mood of just cleaning it out
Speaker 1: and get a big old garbage bag, and and I
Speaker 1: never think about it again once I get rid of it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd have like maybe what I brought Rachel
Speaker 1: home and Jack home, you know, from the hospital, and
Speaker 1: I have that, but I don't keep and keep like
Speaker 1: all of their clothes or but certainly their first blankets,
Speaker 1: but not much. I mean I keep saying to myself, like,
Speaker 1: you have a lot I don't do. And I smell them.
Speaker 1: I know it's so bad. I go down sometimes and
Speaker 1: smell them. Oh but they still smell smell like my babies,
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: I used to use this lotion from Mastella and I
Speaker 2: used it on all four of my kids throughout their
Speaker 2: entire like childhood, until they were like ten years old.
Speaker 1: Right. It was the lotion after the.
Speaker 2: Shower, and their clothes sometimes still smell like it. I
Speaker 2: mean I washed their clothes, but obviously makes me sad
Speaker 2: sometimes then you think, like are the kids going to
Speaker 2: want to see all their stuff? Like are they going
Speaker 2: to get older and want to see all of their
Speaker 2: paperwork from you know, fourth grade? I have mine because
Speaker 2: my mother saved it, right, But do I spend time
Speaker 2: going through my mister Hamlin's class in fourth grade? And no,
Speaker 2: I just don't, you know, So it's like collecting dust
Speaker 2: down there. And then when my in laws passed also
Speaker 2: there was they had so much stuff, right, but like.
Speaker 1: Did you have to go through that and take care? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because my sister in law is in Atlanta, so yes,
Speaker 1: and there were things that I knew, and I asked
Speaker 1: the family, you know, you guys want this? Do you
Speaker 1: guys want that? But there's so many pictures, and I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know that it'd be great for
Speaker 1: my kids to have pictures of their grandparents and their
Speaker 1: kids to have pictures, but like how many is necessary?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I don't know, well, but we I know, Well,
Speaker 1: that's a good question.
Speaker 2: I feel like if I had a change of mindset,
Speaker 2: which I'm hoping that our guests today it can do
Speaker 2: for me a change of mindset. And also like a strategy,
Speaker 2: a better strategy than just like you know, get three
Speaker 2: bags and make one to be you know, throw out
Speaker 2: one to donate.
Speaker 1: Like that is a lot of effort.
Speaker 2: Like if if there was a strategy of like like
Speaker 2: I heard someone say once and I'll bring this up again,
Speaker 2: if you can get rid of something and if you
Speaker 2: can replace something for less than twenty dollars in less
Speaker 2: than twenty minutes and you haven't used it in a year,
Speaker 2: throw it out.
Speaker 1: And I like strategies like that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm interested in, Like what that breaking that down. So
Speaker 1: if you can replace it, I mean, we're talking about
Speaker 1: it easy.
Speaker 2: But let's say you have a let's say you have
Speaker 2: a book that you haven't read and ever and you're
Speaker 2: never planning on.
Speaker 1: Reading it, right, But that's the problem. I think maybe
Speaker 1: I'll read it. Who knows. Maybe that's the kind of thing.
Speaker 2: You've had this book for seven years sitting on your bookshelf,
Speaker 2: you could you could throw it out. If you could
Speaker 2: replace that book for twenty dollars or less than twenty,
Speaker 2: I mean, you can hop on e Bay and get
Speaker 2: it for I mean on Amazon, get it for ten dollars.
Speaker 1: Right, So, but that's an awful lot of stuff. That's
Speaker 1: about half my house. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So today we are interviewing the owners of an amazing
Speaker 2: home organizing company called neat Freaks. It is Lauren to
Speaker 2: Tungi and Nicole Ndrich. So it's neat Freaks home dot com.
Speaker 2: And Lauren began organizing place bases for her clients as
Speaker 2: a speech pathologist, and the clients were overwhelmed and easily distracted.
Speaker 2: And Nicole is a licensed realtor who began helping others
Speaker 2: organize their home in preparation for their sale.
Speaker 1: Or their move That makes sense that that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both types of backgrounds definitely lend themselves to home organization.
Speaker 1: I know, I have a lot of friends who are
Speaker 1: realtors and they go in and they just say, you've
Speaker 1: got to They just go through. You got to get
Speaker 1: rid of all of this clutter. Clutters the big word, right,
Speaker 1: because people when you walk into a house that you're
Speaker 1: you're looking for a home, that's a turn off, right
Speaker 1: seeing right, you have to see it sleet. Yeah, hey yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's then you think to yourself, well, that would
Speaker 1: make me happy every single day to come home and see,
Speaker 1: you know, a clean slate, not all this clutter. So
Speaker 1: not just for the people walking in to buy my house,
Speaker 1: I would love to organize. So I have a million
Speaker 1: questions for them. I know you do too. So uh,
Speaker 1: let's welcome Lauren and Nicole. Hi, Hi, Hi, thank you
Speaker 1: guys so much. We're so pretty, I know, aren't they? Yes?
Speaker 2: So Jen and I were just talking about but all
Speaker 2: the reasons why we have so much stuff. So it's
Speaker 2: hard for Jen and I to let go of things.
Speaker 1: You know, we have our.
Speaker 2: Parents stuff, we have our kids stuff. Everything for me
Speaker 2: is sentimental. Jen you feel that way too, right.
Speaker 1: I do. I mean not everything, certainly, but I have,
Speaker 1: you know, have guilt. Putting those things that maybe you know,
Speaker 1: we're from my kid's second grade Valentine's Day construction paper
Speaker 1: heart into a garbage bag just hurts right, right, So
Speaker 1: why don't they start forth grade?
Speaker 2: Before we start asking you a million questions about how
Speaker 2: to tackle all of this?
Speaker 1: What do you guys do for people?
Speaker 3: So we do it.
Speaker 4: We can do something as simple as a closet or
Speaker 4: a pantry, or we can help with a move, you know,
Speaker 4: out of a home and downsizing to a smaller home.
Speaker 4: There's no kind of project too small or too big,
Speaker 4: but we do it all.
Speaker 3: But what we like to think we do is we
Speaker 3: bring calm to chaos. That's kind of what our goal is.
Speaker 1: Yes, love that, that's what I mean. So let's start
Speaker 1: with the sentimental items, right.
Speaker 2: So, like, I have a lot of clothes for when
Speaker 2: my kids were babies, their Halloween costUS umes, I have
Speaker 2: their you know, their their second grade class album. I
Speaker 2: have you know something that his class, aiden's class made
Speaker 2: him when he.
Speaker 1: Had his tonsils.
Speaker 2: I have all this stuff, right, can't bring myself to
Speaker 2: toss it what do you do with stuff?
Speaker 4: So different answers for different of different items, But what
Speaker 4: I would say in general is if you can limit
Speaker 4: every family member to one clear plastic bin that's labeled
Speaker 4: with their name, you can't.
Speaker 1: Have I already love this so much, brilliantly, I know jus.
Speaker 4: In in your child bin, the outfit they came home
Speaker 4: from the hospital one it's irreplaceable.
Speaker 3: Maybe you'll use it for a grandchild one day.
Speaker 4: It's sentimental, it's valuable, it's meaningful, it's all of the above.
Speaker 4: The Halloween costume that you likely have a gazillion pictures
Speaker 4: of them in that costume. Make an album in your
Speaker 4: phone photos labeled memories. Again, you can have it labeled
Speaker 4: by child. It could be each child's memories or just
Speaker 4: memories in general.
Speaker 3: That's where you put things like Halloween costumes.
Speaker 1: You mean you take a picture of them and put
Speaker 1: it in the costume.
Speaker 4: Million pictures of the child, and then that market memories.
Speaker 4: Or if it's something you don't have a picture of,
Speaker 4: take a picture of it, like the valentine that they
Speaker 4: made you. Some are projects. I'm also okay with buying
Speaker 4: one portfolio, like those big black narrow that take up
Speaker 4: very little room per child and putting in our projects.
Speaker 4: At some point you go back because I did this,
Speaker 4: and you're like, I don't know why I get this,
Speaker 4: But if right now you can't part with it, keep
Speaker 4: give them a portfolio and give them one clear plastic bin.
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 1: Love that? Hey? I love that? And how do you like?
Speaker 2: What's your advice for detaching emotionally from something that? Like
Speaker 2: I could see myself standing there staring at everything and
Speaker 2: being like, but I want this, but I want that,
Speaker 2: but I want this, like I can't get myself to
Speaker 2: actually put it in a garbage bag?
Speaker 1: How do you detach emotionally?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: And many people are this way. So I think that
Speaker 4: we are extremely sensitive to the emotional attachment. So if
Speaker 4: you have a family member or a close friend that
Speaker 4: you could hand something down to, it can feel less
Speaker 4: of a detachment and then you're seeing somebody else enjoy it.
Speaker 4: You could always donate it to a charity that you
Speaker 4: have a special connection to.
Speaker 1: And I tell you something that's so I have some
Speaker 1: shame around this, but I'm going to tell you anyway.
Speaker 1: So in terms of giving like close to charity, it's
Speaker 1: for a long time I've given all of my stuff,
Speaker 1: our stuff to my housekeeper. She's from Ukraine and so
Speaker 1: she has sent it to Ukraine. But it's also hard.
Speaker 1: I feel great about that, but partially because I don't
Speaker 1: know about getting my stuff into the bags, finding out
Speaker 1: where to go go? Where's goodwill? Is it? On seventeen?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry to report. So I just like
Speaker 1: I do give it away and it's going to you know,
Speaker 1: people that need it. But tell us, like, how is it? How?
Speaker 1: It's probably so easy to find the local goodwill? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, do they make you to then you have
Speaker 1: to write it all down and use it for attack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but even good.
Speaker 2: Will that I don't want to give all my good
Speaker 2: stuff to a place that's just going to sell it
Speaker 2: and maybe use the money to renovate their store, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I want to make sure that it's going someplace,
Speaker 2: getting into people's closets that need it.
Speaker 1: So what are some good places?
Speaker 4: So the Bergen Family Center is serves local families, so
Speaker 4: I like that just because we're from this area.
Speaker 3: But you have to bring your clothes to them, you know.
Speaker 4: Obviously Vietnam vets and Salvation Army come and pick up.
Speaker 3: That's easy and they're reputable.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, because they're everywhere.
Speaker 4: A luxury item versus then can sign it get some.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Because I know a consignment's store, but so so you
Speaker 2: trust these stores.
Speaker 4: Well, you're getting some financial reimbursement, so you trust that
Speaker 4: you're getting something back for it. If listen, if you
Speaker 4: can give it to a charity that you're connected to,
Speaker 4: or a close friend or a family member and you
Speaker 4: reap the benefits, or you know a housekeeper and you're
Speaker 4: reaping the benefits of seeing them enjoy it, wonderful, But
Speaker 4: actually the box.
Speaker 3: It really does.
Speaker 4: But if not, then get financial reimbursement, especially if it's
Speaker 4: a luxury item or a bag.
Speaker 1: Consignment stores tend to take a lot. There's a larger
Speaker 1: percentage of what they pay. I think because I've done.
Speaker 1: I've consigned a couple of things and it's like eighty
Speaker 1: twenty or something towards.
Speaker 4: So wow, New Jersey is great, and you do get
Speaker 4: money back in Englewood. And but I do think that
Speaker 4: or the real real or the real real gives you
Speaker 4: money back. But I do you you're repurposing, you are
Speaker 4: knowing you're taking it at a loss, but you're gaining space.
Speaker 1: And the eighty twenty who gets the eighty they do.
Speaker 1: But that's I just use that. I'm just saying when
Speaker 1: I've done it in the past, it's been that kind
Speaker 1: of a breakdown. Wow, that's a lot. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: have to pay their rent. They have to pay I
Speaker 1: know that's a lot. Well that's a loss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So what do you do when, like you
Speaker 2: have items around your house that because I have so
Speaker 2: much of this, I have never used them, or I
Speaker 2: haven't used them in a decade, but I see potential
Speaker 2: future use, which I see everywhere everything I see potential
Speaker 2: future use.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, so again you're constantly going to be going through
Speaker 4: your things, and whatever you can donate or purge, you
Speaker 4: should do that. And then if you have the space
Speaker 4: to keep the things that you don't want to part with,
Speaker 4: then don't part with them and keep it. I think
Speaker 4: it all depends on the not just the value, but
Speaker 4: like is it a generic item, because if it's like
Speaker 4: old T shirts, and you know, trends change, fashion changes,
Speaker 4: get rid of old that is going to be easily
Speaker 4: replaceable versus certain clothing items or in any type of
Speaker 4: item that you're just kind of like it's a little
Speaker 4: more unique and maybe I'll revisit it. But space, because
Speaker 4: it depends on both the item and the space. If
Speaker 4: the item is generic, donate it or you know, encourage it.
Speaker 3: But if you have the space, it's not an issue.
Speaker 4: If you need space, that's when you can realize I
Speaker 4: haven't used it in a while, I haven't worn it
Speaker 4: in a while.
Speaker 2: Right, Right, So we were talking about our closets and
Speaker 2: gen has Jen has lost a ton of weight in
Speaker 2: the past like two years, and I've gained a fair
Speaker 2: amount of weight in the past like two years. And
Speaker 2: we both have a lot of clothes that don't fit
Speaker 2: us anymore. Jan has daughter in her twenties who she
Speaker 2: can Jen, do you share clothes with your daughter?
Speaker 1: I share the clothes out that I have now because
Speaker 1: Rachel it is always thinner than I was. But it's
Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say, Jack, it's very hard,
Speaker 1: not just because they're necessarily luxury clothing items, but like
Speaker 1: what if the what ifs, Like what if I gain
Speaker 1: the weight and I don't want to throw out this
Speaker 1: pair of expensive genes because I've yoyoled my whole life,
Speaker 1: so it's hard. And so I have, like you know,
Speaker 1: the and I think lots of women have this, right,
Speaker 1: like clothes of all different sizes for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but in this case, again, both the item and
Speaker 4: the space need to be considered. So if you have
Speaker 4: the space, it's great. But like Emma, right, and to
Speaker 4: your point of a daughter, I have a twenty year
Speaker 4: old college age daughter and she is constantly in my
Speaker 4: closet repurposing all of my like good old things that
Speaker 4: I never wanted to part with.
Speaker 1: Right. Does she do a good job.
Speaker 3: She does a great job. Honestly.
Speaker 4: She was just in Vegas all the college kids go
Speaker 4: like their senior year, and she was actually wearing something
Speaker 4: that was my mother's from like thirty five years ago,
Speaker 4: like this whole sequence back the top.
Speaker 3: So again it's like, if you have the space pull
Speaker 3: on to these things.
Speaker 4: And I will say this, if you don't have the space,
Speaker 4: parting with it is hard, no doubt. Once you do,
Speaker 4: especially if it's something it's might as well, it's a
Speaker 4: what if it's something you haven't seen or used in
Speaker 4: five two five years.
Speaker 3: I once you do part with it, let it go.
Speaker 1: I've fought so much stuff that I've gotten rid of
Speaker 1: and I struggle with it, you know, putting it in
Speaker 1: the bag, and then I literally just you never think
Speaker 1: about it again. It's not in the closet, so it's
Speaker 1: so and all of a sudden, I can actually how
Speaker 1: about the fact that I can actually see things in
Speaker 1: my closet and they forgot to become new again? Exactly,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: Do consignment stores take like the expensive clothing because I know,
Speaker 2: a luxury item, but like I have a lot of
Speaker 2: pants from let's say, like Veronica Beard that are or
Speaker 2: Alison Olivia and they're really tiny sizes.
Speaker 1: Who is real real? Yeah, I heard mixed things.
Speaker 4: You have to be willing to take the pictures and
Speaker 4: you know, but people do get money back.
Speaker 1: What does real real do? What's the process there?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: I think you call them, they send you a box.
Speaker 4: They send you boxes, and they come to you and
Speaker 4: they kind of send back what doesn't sell, They send
Speaker 4: you checks.
Speaker 1: It's oh, really cool. Maybe I'll have them come over
Speaker 1: and they take good clothes. Yeah, finer clothes, right, that's
Speaker 1: all they take.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they don't know.
Speaker 2: But even just the thought of that makes me nervous,
Speaker 2: Like I'd all like what you said, Jen, like the
Speaker 2: yo yoing of it, I'm and then I'll start thinking like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: maybe I could just take this to a tailor and
Speaker 2: get the waist taken out, or maybe another option, maybe
Speaker 2: my daughter is going to want it. So I have
Speaker 2: a very hard time with this stuff. Well sometimes I
Speaker 2: think I just need to change my mindset. So can
Speaker 2: you talk to us a little bit about what are
Speaker 2: the benefits of clearing out your space?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Okay, One is I think it just saves time when
Speaker 4: you're looking for something.
Speaker 3: It's easier to know where it is.
Speaker 4: When everything is clean and has a place and has
Speaker 4: its own space, it's easier to clean up, and it's
Speaker 4: easier to find things.
Speaker 3: You just are more organized.
Speaker 4: Yes, And I would say like clutter can just be
Speaker 4: very distracting, and so an organized, neat space always makes
Speaker 4: you feel soothing and tranquil, which ultimately that's our goal
Speaker 4: when we leave our clients, we just want to leave
Speaker 4: them feeling tranquil and at peace and less.
Speaker 3: Cluttered and come.
Speaker 4: And I think also I practice speech pathology practice speech pathology,
Speaker 4: and I work with children who are extremely distracted. And
Speaker 4: actually I got into this because I was organizing place
Speaker 4: bases for children who were so easily distracted, and I
Speaker 4: found when I organized their one room in their home
Speaker 4: to it increase their focus. So even for children, increasing
Speaker 4: their focus, but as well for adults. And an office
Speaker 4: that's clean and serene and tranquil and neat and organized
Speaker 4: and tidy, it just it's less distracting and you're able
Speaker 4: to I also think that it improves the appearance of
Speaker 4: your home. If you walk into someone else's home that
Speaker 4: is clutter free and neat and tidy, it looks bigger,
Speaker 4: it looks more space. It's just your causets look bigger
Speaker 4: if you open them and it's not all stuffed in
Speaker 4: and you can see things and find things. And obviously,
Speaker 4: if one day down the road you wanted to sell
Speaker 4: your home, it's it's a huge advantage to have it organized.
Speaker 1: How do you start, you guys, like you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of times I just feel so overwhelmed, Right, I
Speaker 1: have a between my basement and all the drawers, and
Speaker 1: is it just? And I do when I do do it,
Speaker 1: like even my makeup drawer, I say, okay, just this,
Speaker 1: let's just do the makeup shore today. And it's a
Speaker 1: small deal.
Speaker 4: Start small as our number one advice. I think if
Speaker 4: you just begin organizing one small area and you can
Speaker 4: get that one small area under control, that's a win.
Speaker 2: You've just try to commit to like a certain number
Speaker 2: of minutes a day or a certain like area per week,
Speaker 2: or like.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I go on in but no, if I was advising
Speaker 4: someone else, then you know, do as much as you can.
Speaker 3: Don't start too big.
Speaker 4: Are it in makeup draws perfect or do a gene section.
Speaker 4: Do it in sections and it will feel less overwhelming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you.
Speaker 4: Declutter by category, you know, today I'm not going to
Speaker 4: do my entire closet.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to do genes.
Speaker 4: Then the next day I'm just going to do sweaters
Speaker 4: and then make piles.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: One pile is donate, one is purge, one is consigned,
Speaker 4: one is keep right.
Speaker 3: And now you have.
Speaker 4: Different sections for different items. And I also think putting
Speaker 4: like items together sometimes helps you visualize the excess you have.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I did not realize just how many
Speaker 4: black sweaters I had, or just how many picture frames
Speaker 4: I have that I'm holding on to that don't even
Speaker 4: hold pictures. And once you put a bunch of like
Speaker 4: items together, you realize just how much of each item
Speaker 4: you have, and you're more willing to let go of
Speaker 4: some of it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know a problem that I have is these
Speaker 2: four children of mine, and they just every time I
Speaker 2: get rid of one thing, they bring in six more.
Speaker 2: And so, like take for example, their shoe area. So
Speaker 2: I have three teenage boys and one teenage girl, and
Speaker 2: like my like shoe area where everyone takes the shoes
Speaker 2: off when they walk into the house is absolutely it
Speaker 2: gives me a stomach ache every time I walk by it.
Speaker 2: Like I almost kill myself every time I walk by
Speaker 2: it because I almost trip on a shoe.
Speaker 1: There's sixteen pairs of sneakers, sixteen pairs of.
Speaker 2: Crops, there's flip flops, there's night shoes, there's going out shoes,
Speaker 2: there's sambas.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with this stuff I have.
Speaker 2: I bought myself one of those plastic hanging shoe racks
Speaker 2: that I put over the door, and the whole thing
Speaker 2: is like collapsing because there's just too many shoes in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with all the shoes. Help.
Speaker 4: So in terms of everyday shoes, obviously, see the mud room,
Speaker 4: like the area you're talking about is where they should be.
Speaker 4: But like, is there room in your daughter's closet for
Speaker 4: her dress shoes that maybe she only wears once a
Speaker 4: month or you know, less frequently, or even I mean
Speaker 4: even putting a space in your garage for cleats, you know,
Speaker 4: a rack in the garage and you're where you're entering
Speaker 4: the mudroom. But that can help with like the excess
Speaker 4: spillover and the stuff.
Speaker 3: That you don't necessarily want.
Speaker 1: That's a good nice piled.
Speaker 4: Coming inside from outside. Anyway, my son used to before
Speaker 4: we had a mudroom. He used to come in and
Speaker 4: the entire turf field would be in my in my
Speaker 4: like he had all.
Speaker 3: Those little I was like, what is going on here?
Speaker 3: Take it off outside?
Speaker 4: So doing it in the garage makes it a little
Speaker 4: neater as well.
Speaker 1: Jet is an empty nester. So yeah, so for me,
Speaker 1: it's not the cleats anymore. But I go, I get
Speaker 1: very jealous when my see like the women that keep
Speaker 1: the shoes in boxes or the clear boxes, so you can,
Speaker 1: of course that's you, yeah my shoes. Yeah, like well,
Speaker 1: so my shoes are piled up on top of each other,
Speaker 1: you know, I have all the shoes shells. But but
Speaker 1: we've weigh we've way outgrown the shelves. There's way more
Speaker 1: so you know, it's just so sloppy and it looks
Speaker 1: and I walk into a closet, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: like to have I look at the Kardashians, Look how
Speaker 1: they keep their shoes, but they don't do their own
Speaker 1: ship the obviously obviously, obviously.
Speaker 3: I do love them. I would like those closets.
Speaker 4: I love the domestic fins and mine open easily, and
Speaker 4: I just love them because I can see what's inside.
Speaker 1: And it protects the shoes they're me.
Speaker 4: I can't say enough about them, but they where do
Speaker 4: you get them? Amazon? Ikea? Yeah, like they make tea
Speaker 4: anywhere anywhere. The Container store has really nice ones. And
Speaker 4: Amazon and Ikea have perfectly fine clear shoe boxes yep.
Speaker 3: And they they stack and they open easily. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: are good.
Speaker 1: I don't have them, but either when you yeah.
Speaker 4: For putting them on, Like sometimes there's a shelf on
Speaker 4: top of the closet, and that could be a place
Speaker 4: where you, like, maybe you put the winter boots there
Speaker 4: in the summer, in the summer, shoes there in the winter,
Speaker 4: just as.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea, okay.
Speaker 2: I also ward shoe boxes tell me that it's okay
Speaker 2: to get rid of them.
Speaker 1: They're beautiful, Like how do you get rid.
Speaker 2: Of like like a thick brown shoebox, right.
Speaker 4: Because once you get rid of it, you're not going
Speaker 4: to miss the box. I've thrown out like nice beautiful boxes,
Speaker 4: and I don't miss them.
Speaker 1: I see some women like decorating their closet with.
Speaker 4: Them, right, unless it's decorative or if you're knacking the
Speaker 4: shoes on top of each other, you do know, like,
Speaker 4: oh those are the Louis, those are the Chanelle you know, right?
Speaker 1: What about Clocka books because I have so many that
Speaker 1: are it's just shameful. I have from my guest room.
Speaker 1: I use that closet as well, but it's not enough
Speaker 1: room and it's not that like in the Ploka books
Speaker 1: are just they're not in the bags. They give you
Speaker 1: these beautiful dust bags, and that's not me. I just
Speaker 1: I don't have the patience for that. So they're all
Speaker 1: just kind of Yeah.
Speaker 4: They do make clear divide your dividers. That just help
Speaker 4: stand them up and you can kind of squeeze.
Speaker 1: More in, yeah, to use all the shape and yeah, so.
Speaker 3: That I like them. I don't use them per one bag.
Speaker 4: I'll put like three clutches in one section and then
Speaker 4: you know it, just you can kind of consolidate and
Speaker 4: put more together and they do keep their shape. I
Speaker 4: also like putting like dress the evening bags in one
Speaker 4: section or large large totes.
Speaker 1: Okay, what are these containers? How do I buy them?
Speaker 3: Not container viders?
Speaker 1: Dividers?
Speaker 3: You can get them on Amazon as well.
Speaker 1: Yep, what are they called? Just like cock a book divider.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're looseight, they're clear.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that. I'm going to do that and
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw away my boxes. So do you
Speaker 1: have any like hard and fast rules.
Speaker 2: I was telling Jen that I heard once that if
Speaker 2: you have an item you haven't used in a year,
Speaker 2: if you could replace it in under twenty minutes for
Speaker 2: under twenty dollars, that you should get rid of it.
Speaker 2: But that seems like almost half my house. So by
Speaker 2: can I just show you there's a plant behind me?
Speaker 2: You see this plant? So that plant is in a
Speaker 2: black like vs that I probably paid maybe like fifty
Speaker 2: dollars for. I have moved this plant. Now it's sitting
Speaker 2: in the corner of my dining room. I've moved it
Speaker 2: from room to room to rooms to see if there's
Speaker 2: anywhere that I like it and I hate it, but
Speaker 2: I can't bring myself to.
Speaker 1: Throw it out right, Like, what's your rules?
Speaker 2: What's an easy rule to follow that we should be
Speaker 2: comfortable with that'll make a lot of this easier.
Speaker 4: Well, for wonder, if it's not bringing your joy, and
Speaker 4: if it's not serving a purpose, let it go. You
Speaker 4: will not miss it, right, and be okay with it
Speaker 4: to your point, you will.
Speaker 3: Not miss it. Yeah, And I do think.
Speaker 4: Taking a time to just be like how many of
Speaker 4: all of taking like items together and being like how
Speaker 4: many scissors off these supplies or kitchen utensils or donate niggers?
Speaker 3: How many?
Speaker 4: How many pairs of sneakers that you know are serving
Speaker 4: the exact same purpose? Get rid of these are the
Speaker 4: only two pairs that I actually wear. I don't need
Speaker 4: the others. So putting all like items together, it helps
Speaker 4: you kind of realize, oh, minimily do.
Speaker 3: Have a lot of this. I could part with some
Speaker 3: of it when.
Speaker 1: I get like samples my buy's expensive skincare or whatever,
Speaker 1: so they give you like the huge palch good one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and how many samples I have products. Yeah, so I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll take them on vacation, so I don't have to
Speaker 1: bring the bottle, right.
Speaker 3: To say, put them in a travel bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great, right, But I also don't mix
Speaker 2: up my skincare like that. So I have these beautiful
Speaker 2: skincare samples, I don't know what to do with them,
Speaker 2: grow them out.
Speaker 4: Or give them to your daughter, let or you know
Speaker 4: her friends like that could be like a fun Here
Speaker 4: is some beauty that's true, and that's like fun where
Speaker 4: I love the concept of putting in a little travel
Speaker 4: bag for when you go away.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys do the thing where you have
Speaker 1: your travel toiletries separate, Like I've wanted to do this
Speaker 1: for so long and I haven't. Like you have so
Speaker 1: that when you're going. I hate packing, everybody does. But
Speaker 1: where you have your travel toiletries you've bought that separate
Speaker 1: from your you do that, Jack. I have a.
Speaker 2: Bag of travel toiletrees that's always packed that every like
Speaker 2: two years. I make sure I like clean out the
Speaker 2: product because it is probably old. But yeah, I have
Speaker 2: it always ready to go and I carry it on.
Speaker 2: It's fall in three ounce containers, and every.
Speaker 1: Want to spend the money on buying the stuff to
Speaker 1: put into the travel, like buying an extra whatever serum.
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I don't buy the extra one.
Speaker 2: I get the little three ounce containers from CBS and
Speaker 2: I fill up from my existing stuff.
Speaker 3: That's perfect.
Speaker 4: And I have toothbrush, like certain basics like toothbrush, yeah,
Speaker 4: always in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So what's your role with like like, oh, some people
Speaker 2: say if you haven't used it in a year, get
Speaker 2: rid of it. That to me is horrifying, but like
Speaker 2: one is not enough time. What's like for clothing.
Speaker 1: Let's say, if you haven't touched it in how long
Speaker 1: should you get rid of it?
Speaker 4: So let's say you did your closet, you went through
Speaker 4: your closet, like I make a pile of I haven't
Speaker 4: worn this in a year. If it's still there the
Speaker 4: next year and you still haven't worn it again, if
Speaker 4: space isn't an issue and a part of you, that's
Speaker 4: like maybe maybe, but get rid of some of it,
Speaker 4: right because chances are you're not going to miss it.
Speaker 4: You didn't miss it for that year or the year before.
Speaker 4: So I think right, old T shirts, tank tops, like
Speaker 4: those things over time they've had.
Speaker 3: It, they need to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I put my after my wedding. The day after
Speaker 2: my wedding, I didn't get my dress cleaned or anything.
Speaker 2: I just put it in a garment bag and I
Speaker 2: haven't yet.
Speaker 1: To open it.
Speaker 2: It's just been sitting in my closet for seventeen years.
Speaker 2: It's probably all yellow now, but I mean, I'm going
Speaker 2: to keep it. I'm not asking you if I should
Speaker 2: get rid of it, but I just I'm like, I
Speaker 2: have so much stuff that I've just like stuck into garment.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're on this show. We have
Speaker 1: so many dresses. I have so much clothing that like
Speaker 1: reminds me of things that I did, but like I'm
Speaker 1: not wearing it anymore. You guys see this Unrevolve. They
Speaker 1: have oh croissants, Yes, croissants to say that's a brilliant.
Speaker 1: I was afraid to do it though, I was starting
Speaker 1: to do it, and then I was like, what if
Speaker 1: this I'm doing it? You guys know we're talking about
Speaker 1: I'm Revolved. They have this thing now where they buy
Speaker 1: back clothes and it's certain items. Certain items. Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 2: Offer you a ton, but some of the stuff that
Speaker 2: they so they send you like the pictures of the
Speaker 2: things that they're willing to take back, and you probably
Speaker 2: take like a seventy percent loss on it. But if
Speaker 2: you're not wearing it as because you're getting something back,
Speaker 2: I'm going to look into rent the runway.
Speaker 1: But I've done it. I've done it many times.
Speaker 4: You probably are wearing it like dresses all the time.
Speaker 4: You're not going to keep repeating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well, af after I had kids, like immediately
Speaker 2: after having kids, I was like, I'm never gonna wear
Speaker 2: heels again. So I went through a phase for a
Speaker 2: few years of buying Todd's flats, you know, like the
Speaker 2: iconic with the bumps on the back, and so I
Speaker 2: have like eight pairs of Todd's flats that after like
Speaker 2: a year of that, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I hate flats.
Speaker 1: I'm never wearing flats again. I'm going back to heels.
Speaker 2: And I have a lot of Todd's flats that I
Speaker 2: have never touched again, and like, I'm not wearing Ballerina flats.
Speaker 2: They're just not me, and so I don't know what
Speaker 2: to do with them. So I think the real real
Speaker 2: is probably like my only option that all right.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call them.
Speaker 2: So when you go into people's houses. Oh, and then
Speaker 2: I have something really important to ask you.
Speaker 1: Do people ever freak out? Are they like, stop touching myself?
Speaker 1: Because that's the way that I feel like I can
Speaker 1: never have someone in. But maybe I could like, what
Speaker 1: is the process like for you guys?
Speaker 4: Well, we really are always so super sensitive because it's
Speaker 4: your personal belongings. Don't want you to feel in any
Speaker 4: way like we're coming in like gangbusters. We just we
Speaker 4: really take that into consideration and understand how valuable and
Speaker 4: meaningful your belongings are. And you know what Laurence said before,
Speaker 4: When we come into your home, we want to build
Speaker 4: a rapport with you so that you feel comfortable with
Speaker 4: us being there, and then we kind of get into
Speaker 4: a groove and you do feel comfortable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that we have to go.
Speaker 1: Through people's stuff and find like something bad.
Speaker 2: I don't like, something dirty, like you open a woman's
Speaker 2: store and find her vibrators.
Speaker 4: Like, But I would say say that one of the
Speaker 4: reasons we do our free consult is really to establish
Speaker 4: a rapport and make sure that they're comfortable with us
Speaker 4: and that they know that we understand the sensitivity and
Speaker 4: privacy and you know of what's going on and if
Speaker 4: you know, if there's things you don't want us, getting.
Speaker 3: Very respectful of that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I just don't know how I can imagine
Speaker 1: being you, Like I I don't thought of taking on
Speaker 1: my own closet and my and what do you think
Speaker 1: it is? I don't know if for me that would
Speaker 1: be to have to all day look in someone else's closet,
Speaker 1: go through it, organize it, take out their crap, go
Speaker 1: through the dressers. You enjoy your work like I love
Speaker 1: you love it? Like it just sounds so horrible. No,
Speaker 1: it probably no. I think it sounds like like popping,
Speaker 1: is it? Like as much as you it's like you're
Speaker 1: doing it. It's physical too. It's like it's definitely hard
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: But they don't have the sentimental like attachment.
Speaker 4: Which do so when we do homes, we call each
Speaker 4: other like I can't do my own myself.
Speaker 3: I genuinely believe you need someone else to be like
Speaker 3: get rid of it. That is heard.
Speaker 1: I think the Sex the City episode when they were
Speaker 1: going through Carrie's closet. You remember that one. I remember
Speaker 1: that one when she was getting rid of all of
Speaker 1: her stuff. I'm so cute. Well she got rid of something.
Speaker 2: Can I talk to you about jewelry because that is
Speaker 2: probably my biggest problem. So my issue is that, like,
Speaker 2: so you have all this jewelry. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: I have all like tons of diamonds hanging around my closet,
Speaker 2: but like, I have a lot of jewelry, and not
Speaker 2: all of it's super expensive. But I don't know what
Speaker 2: to do with it because I don't want it out
Speaker 2: in the open. So like all this beautiful like hanging
Speaker 2: shit that they sell at home goods, I can't buy
Speaker 2: that because I have a lot of workers in my house.
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm not saying workers are not trustworthy, but
Speaker 2: I don't know them.
Speaker 1: I don't want it.
Speaker 2: Sitting there when the cable guy comes to fix my
Speaker 2: cable in my room.
Speaker 1: So I need to hide it. But I can't hide it.
Speaker 2: In anything that keeps my jewelry from tangling. I have
Speaker 2: necklaces that I haven't worn in years because they are
Speaker 2: in one giant knot and I can't untangle them.
Speaker 4: Well, they do sell stackable trays that you could put,
Speaker 4: you know, that are individually so you could put each
Speaker 4: of your necklaces and then so that they're not out,
Speaker 4: you could put them, you know, in a draw in
Speaker 4: your closet that's easily accessible for you, but sort of
Speaker 4: hidden underclothes so it's not.
Speaker 3: Out like under your tank tops or under your t shirts.
Speaker 4: You put the actual the drawers that lay the trays,
Speaker 4: trays that lay flat would be good for necklaces not
Speaker 4: being tangled for you.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, So are they divided into sections?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can put like probably two per section, but
Speaker 4: like with a little tiny lip, you know, like not
Speaker 4: just picture the felt a felt tray with little lips,
Speaker 4: so you could lay your necklaces down and they won't
Speaker 4: hit the other one, the one next.
Speaker 1: So they have a section for like ear rings and rings.
Speaker 4: And you can do it yourself as well, you know,
Speaker 4: because you can buy different compartments based on what you have.
Speaker 1: Where do you get that stuff? And then you're organized
Speaker 1: with your jewelry. No, I'm not organized with anything. I
Speaker 1: mean I organized when I moved into my house. The
Speaker 1: very clever owner had created the to the jewelry doors,
Speaker 1: so you open in their section and whatever they have,
Speaker 1: but it overflows, and you know, proud itself, and I'm
Speaker 1: not no, I'm not great with it. Is your jewelry
Speaker 1: drawer locked? No, I know, that would be a good
Speaker 1: idea to make it a lot.
Speaker 3: And then she hides the key.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be so much even just.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's like a road drawer and it has
Speaker 4: to actually pull out felt things, and she stores a
Speaker 4: lot in there. I mean, it's probably obvious in there
Speaker 4: if someone were to break into your.
Speaker 1: I know, but at least it makes it harder to
Speaker 1: you know. You know.
Speaker 2: One of my other problems is so like my dad
Speaker 2: and my mom, they live in separate homes. They're still married,
Speaker 2: but they live separately for twenty five years. They both
Speaker 2: keep everything, and they have tons and tons and tons
Speaker 2: of paperwork. But I went to my dad's house to
Speaker 2: try to help him organize a few years ago, and
Speaker 2: he had literally I opened his like one of his
Speaker 2: kitchen cabinets, and he had fifty mugs and fifty plates.
Speaker 2: And then I said, Dak, can I throw out half
Speaker 2: of it?
Speaker 1: What do you need to throw out half? I said,
Speaker 1: do you live alone? How many mugs do you need?
Speaker 1: You know? And then but then I started to look
Speaker 1: at the mugs and I was like, oh, I got
Speaker 1: this one in fourth grade, right, I don't want to
Speaker 1: throw that out, and like there's a little sand at
Speaker 1: the bottom when you finished drinking, And.
Speaker 2: Like I had a problem throwing out his moors.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know where to start sometimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it sounds like he has them all in
Speaker 4: one spot, which is the first step he you know,
Speaker 4: on all the mugs are together, If they're all fitting
Speaker 4: in that one cabinet designated for mugs, then like what's
Speaker 4: it to you whether there's two mugs in.
Speaker 3: There which are practs twenty or twenty.
Speaker 4: When it starts to overflow and they no longer fit
Speaker 4: fit in that area, that's when it's time to purge, right,
Speaker 4: Like I don't believe in storing anything and putting it
Speaker 4: in the basement or putting it in the attic ways,
Speaker 4: you'll never do it.
Speaker 3: So as long as there's room for it and it's not.
Speaker 4: Bothering anyone, and he's not downsizing or going to a
Speaker 4: smaller space. If they make him happy, and they make
Speaker 4: you happy for now and they bring you to the spot,
Speaker 4: keep them right. But the second there's one mug too many,
Speaker 4: he's got to choose and get rid of one to
Speaker 4: make space for the new.
Speaker 1: I think it's good to check because, like, for instance,
Speaker 1: my husband had a shot glass collection and I just
Speaker 1: wasn't having it. I did too. Well, guess what, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have it anymore. But he realized that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have it anymore. He was not pleased. He should probably ask,
Speaker 1: but oh yeah, yeah, he was pissed. I have to say,
Speaker 1: maybe not my but I'm like, I never thought he
Speaker 1: would even notice. It was like put away in like
Speaker 1: like we're our bar area in a corner and a
Speaker 1: million years, I didn't think he would notice. Yep, they've gone.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, here's a here's what I really struggle with.
Speaker 2: And I wish I could take you over to it.
Speaker 1: But I am so. I'm not a hoarder.
Speaker 2: Obviously, hoarding is a serious mental illness, right, but I
Speaker 2: use the term very loosely. I'd say something that I
Speaker 2: do actually tend to hoard is alcohol. And so when
Speaker 2: I get a nice bottle, I don't drink it, and
Speaker 2: I leave it improperly stored on top of my like
Speaker 2: in my like whip bar area. And first of all,
Speaker 2: I have bottles that have been sitting there for fifteen years.
Speaker 2: That I are probably not good anymore, but I don't
Speaker 2: want to throw them out.
Speaker 1: I can say, al bad, Yes, I think so.
Speaker 2: If it's not stored properly, do they makes it can
Speaker 2: sometimes come over?
Speaker 1: Do they? Okay?
Speaker 2: So I bought a bottle of crystal fifteen years ago
Speaker 2: when crystal was popular, right. More than that, I don't
Speaker 2: want to throw out the crystal because it costs me
Speaker 2: like two hundred bucks. I don't want to drink the
Speaker 2: crystal because it will probably make me ill right now,
Speaker 2: because it's been improperly sort for twenty years. Do they
Speaker 2: make people who can come to your house and be like,
Speaker 2: throw this out, through this out, it's going to make
Speaker 2: you sick.
Speaker 3: Alcohol is not one that we've Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't know how to.
Speaker 4: I would say, if you're willing to throw it away
Speaker 4: and you don't care, you're not drinking it, you're not
Speaker 4: regifting it, you're not.
Speaker 1: Well, I would regift it. But I don't want to
Speaker 1: make other people sick.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: I want I love regifted.
Speaker 3: You'll make them sick. Maybe it got better, maybe it's
Speaker 3: worth more now. I think we have to research first
Speaker 3: with the.
Speaker 4: Alcohol, like the specific alcohol and if it gets better
Speaker 4: or worse.
Speaker 2: Right, I know I need to go through and just
Speaker 2: spend some time like googling how long does this last? Right?
Speaker 1: And if it? And on that note, if you're going
Speaker 1: through your pantry the second that's something hits the expiration date,
Speaker 1: do you have to throw it out? Or like, what's
Speaker 1: the rule with that? Does does shit list longer?
Speaker 3: Does I do?
Speaker 4: Because my son is like the expiration date like police,
Speaker 4: Yes he is. So if it's one day expired, he's like,
Speaker 4: it's gotta go. So I tend to toss things that
Speaker 4: are expired.
Speaker 3: And I think and it lasts forever?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think right, So when he goes to college,
Speaker 4: I wants.
Speaker 1: I meant to just say, Jackie, you can bring if
Speaker 1: you want all your old alcohol. If you want to
Speaker 1: just bring it here, we could test it. We can
Speaker 1: crystal right over to my house. Yes, well I have
Speaker 1: don par I have all of this. I'll take it,
Speaker 1: no problem, Like this is so pretty.
Speaker 4: I don't want to think a gift as well, give
Speaker 4: like champagne. I have to research.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you gifts, you know, I got to
Speaker 1: do a little research on that. Nobody's having you guys
Speaker 1: over to go through their liquor cabinet. They got bigger problems, right, I.
Speaker 2: Know, But this this makes me want to so what
Speaker 2: kind of people call you? Is it people whose homes
Speaker 2: are just so completely out of control? Or is it
Speaker 2: like normal homes that just want more?
Speaker 3: Like it runs the gamut.
Speaker 4: I think our niche has become we've kind of attached
Speaker 4: ourselves or gotten acquaintance with a bunch of real estate
Speaker 4: brokers who have been to refer us.
Speaker 3: So our niche has.
Speaker 4: Become people who are moving and downsizing or or moving
Speaker 4: to bigger But usually it's the downsizing that's more overwhelming,
Speaker 4: and we kind of begin at that level. The first
Speaker 4: purge is when you're packing. The second purge is when
Speaker 4: you're moving them in donating, you know, consigning, keeping packing
Speaker 4: everything in an organized way, like items together. So their
Speaker 4: books may be everywhere in their house, but when we
Speaker 4: pack them, we pack them all together, so that when
Speaker 4: we're unpacking, we can be like, Okay, let's put all
Speaker 4: the books in the bookshelf or in the living room
Speaker 4: or to the den or wherever it may go.
Speaker 3: That's been our niche.
Speaker 4: But we I mean, are being.
Speaker 3: A lot of referrals.
Speaker 4: Yes, people will you know, email us and they're either.
Speaker 3: Moving or they have.
Speaker 4: A closet that they need to attack and they just
Speaker 4: need really the handholding to get it done.
Speaker 1: Just speaking of referrals, I was going to say, tell
Speaker 1: our listeners where to find you, please.
Speaker 4: Meat freaks home dot com or on Instagram or Facebook.
Speaker 3: It's neat freaks home.
Speaker 2: And I know people who have used them, and they
Speaker 2: are I have never used you, guys, but I know
Speaker 2: that people grieve about.
Speaker 1: You guys, So thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I think I'm ready to call the real
Speaker 2: real and I'm ready to throw out all my shoeboxes.
Speaker 1: Ok and then I'm going to attack my kids.
Speaker 4: Shoes unless you stack them up on the higher part
Speaker 4: of your closet.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go or shoe boxes. Yes, I'm going
Speaker 1: to order actually the jewelry things. Okay. So we have
Speaker 1: all cut out for us. Thank you, ladies, so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Once I'm all cleaned out, I'll invite everybody over and
Speaker 1: we could drink my old alcohol.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I love you guys, Thank you, Thank you guys. That
Speaker 1: was great. Okay.
Speaker 2: I feel like I could throw some stuff out now
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't need all of this ship, but
Speaker 2: that all it really does get me, like I can't
Speaker 2: regive that depressing.
Speaker 1: Also, the alcohol gets you unless I don't like anyone.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, well there's always there's always that well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, it is it's hard to do,
Speaker 1: but I know that when I do it, which is
Speaker 1: not often, I feel so good. It is like popping,
Speaker 1: is it a little? It's like so I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to do it for other people, like like God bless
Speaker 1: these two women, because that would sound like the worst
Speaker 1: job ever to me. Oh love.
Speaker 2: I think if you can make money like helping people
Speaker 2: do something that's going to bring them joy, I think
Speaker 2: that's the yeah, yeah in theory, but like in practice
Speaker 2: going through people's stuff, and I can't I just because
Speaker 2: I can't bear to do my own.
Speaker 1: So I know it's.
Speaker 2: Also a timing issue like this, there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of time left in the day.
Speaker 1: Agree, We're busy, We're busy.
Speaker 2: Jen Fessler, all right, well, I've miss seeing your beautiful
Speaker 2: face today.
Speaker 1: Seeing your beautiful face, yes, but I'm gonna see you're
Speaker 1: recording separately.
Speaker 2: But that was great, and uh, I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: ready to go clean out of closet.
Speaker 1: But I hope it was helpful to you guys like
Speaker 1: it was to us. Definitely all right, So until next time,
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