1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Hi, guys. It's Jen Fessler and Jackie Golschneider and we 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: are two Jersey Jays. Yes we are, Jen. How are you? 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: I am well, how are you? You had a big 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: night last night? 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: Last night I had I hosted the National Eating Disorder 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Association Gala, which was such an amazing moment. I keep 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: wanting to call it full circle, but full circle means 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: you started, you end up at the place that you started, 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: So it's not but it's uh, it was amazing. It's 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: definitely like when I was, you know, very sick for 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: so long. It's NITO was an organization that I looked 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: to and so to now be like on the other 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: side of this illness and hosting the gala, it was 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: really special. 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: It was beautiful. It's really beautiful. I'm so proud of you. Seriously, 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I know, maybe it's not full circle for you, 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: but full circle and maybe in terms of helping people 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: that are still struggling like you were, I don't know, Yeah, 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: I know it sounds cliche. 20 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 2: I do feel like that's my purpose, Like if they're 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: there is a reason for all of this or any 22 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: of this or all the years I struggled or the 23 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: reason why I have a platform. I do think it's 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: to help people not have to live like I lived. 25 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: But because it's so hard to hear the stories. Is 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: it hard to hear the stories? Jack, Does it bring 27 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: you back? No? 28 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: No, I have no like triggers in terms of other 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: people struggling. 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't like set me off. I don't mean it 31 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: like that, but it just means me so it must 32 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: resonate with you. It's it's sad. 33 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: I like I want it to almost like shake them 34 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: and be like it's so much better like without. 35 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: It, you know, it's not the way it works. 36 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 37 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: No, A lot were parents of people whose struggle. A 38 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: lot were people who turned to NITA thirty years ago 39 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: and then decided to get involved and have been on 40 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: the board. 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: There was a wide variety. 42 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: A lot of people there were recovered and just had 43 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: had you know, had you used NITA through the years 44 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: to recover. So it was a wide mix of people. 45 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: But it was a really nice It. 46 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: Was the first time we met. I don't and you 47 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: don't even remember meeting me there, but I remember meeting you. 48 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: It was at the dress for a success event. Of 49 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: course I remember meeting you. You ate you came with 50 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: a big suitcase full shoes, shoes and majors. But also 51 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: I just remember you speaking this room full of women 52 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: who had either been incarcerated or were coming out of 53 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: such you know, severe poverty and rest for success. It's 54 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: this amazing organization obviously that helps them to get jobs 55 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: and interview skills and so. But you spoke, and you 56 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: were able to connect so beautifully with these women, and 57 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, you have never been obviously incarcerated, and you 58 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: didn't grow up in poverty, but you were able to 59 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: go out your own Everybody obviously has trauma in their life, 60 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: and everybody goes through stuff. But I just I will 61 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: never forget thinking that you were just such an amazing 62 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: speaker and also had such a great ability to connect 63 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: with these women who hadn't gone through you know, you 64 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: hadn't gone through what they had. But so I can 65 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: only imagine you talking to people who have gone through 66 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: the similar struggles. You know, must have been so great 67 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: for them. 68 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do love public speaking. Maybe that's 69 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: why I love podcasting, or maybe I just have a. 70 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: Great co host. So yes, it's all me. You get 71 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: it from me. 72 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: Crazy News Day. Uh, you know this will air a 73 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: few days after we record. But yesterday I saw that 74 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: Liam Payne died. That's that's crazy. Whenever a young person 75 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: with so much talent dies, it just it breaks my heart. 76 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: It showed like him snapchat not snapchatting, what is it called? Yeah, 77 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: it was snapchat as it's not. I kept up with 78 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: his crap, but like right before and he was so lucid, 79 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: and I guess he had a He had a woman 80 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: that he was having breakfast with and they were just 81 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: chit chatting, and then an hour later or something, it 82 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: all turned yea addiction socks man, life can change? Really? 83 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: Did he have addiction issues? I knew nothing about it. 84 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: That's why I don't know for sure, because he's been alleged. 85 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, that's what they're saying 86 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: on the news that he struggled for years. 87 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: Thirty one years old time. You know, don't sweat the 88 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: small stuff. That was a book, right, Did you ever 89 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: read that? 90 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: You know? A book I bought the other day. 91 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: I went through a want to change my life little 92 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 2: like thing the other day and I ran the Barnes 93 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: and Noble and I bought this book called Atomic Habits. 94 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: Did you ever read it, No, never heard of it. 95 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: It is phenomenal, really like the number one self help 96 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: book in the world. It's about making really small changes 97 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: to your habits and uh them compiling into these amazing 98 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: life changes. It's really good. 99 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: But speaking of that, yes, I was going to say, 100 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: you are teeing beautifully. 101 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sort of like translates into what we're talking 102 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 2: about today, So why don't you take it away? 103 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: So you guys were actually very excited about today's episode, 104 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: and I know that both of us, actually Jackie, feel 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: like we're going to get a lot out of this 106 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: one because we're talking about chaos, about home organizing, about stuff, 107 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: having too much of it, how to deal with it. 108 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: And I know, because we've spoken about it, Jackie, that 109 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: we both suffer from Maybe we're not hoarders, but I 110 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: have a very hard time throwing things away and as 111 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: a result, really hard time. Yep. And as a result, 112 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, you walk into my house, my house is neat, 113 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: and you know, from what you can see, everything has 114 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: a place. Just don't open a drawer or go into 115 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: my basement, because that's what I do. I just actually 116 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: just avoid the basement at all costs because it just 117 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: depresses me, even mind I get closet for friends. 118 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: Remember they had that closet where you open it and 119 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: like everything would just come falling out. 120 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: Yes, that was my locker in high school, and I 121 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: remember being so and it is funny, but I remember 122 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: just being so embarrassed by it. Like everybody else and 123 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: my friends, it was funny to all of us, but 124 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't really funny. Like I remember going to just 125 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: to shove stuff in and pull out and I couldn't 126 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: find anything, and it was kind of depressing, you know, 127 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: it was not like that happily anymore. It's not you know, 128 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: it's not I think that was probably also about a 129 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: little bit of depression as a teenager. 130 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: But anyway, you know, it's hard because there's I don't 131 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: know where the line is. So like I have some 132 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: friends who are like, ugh, I throw everything out. I 133 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: I throw it out while people are still using it, 134 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: Like I do. 135 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: I have no problem. I hate stuff. 136 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: And then I have other people who are like me, 137 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: where everything you see the sentimental value in everything, you 138 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: see the potential future use in everything, and it's just hard, 139 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: you know. So one of the reasons why this is 140 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: so pertinent to middle aged women specifically, is because we 141 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: are that sand which generation where we have we're taking 142 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: care of parents and children, and even if your children 143 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: are not in the home anymore, you're still you still 144 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: have all of your kids stuff. They're not that old, right, 145 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: they're like either teenagers or early twenties. 146 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: And your parents they're old, but you have all of 147 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: their stuff, you know, So we just not just not 148 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: just parents either. Yeah. So because I don't know if 149 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: you have this, Jack, but because in my family, I 150 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: have the biggest home. Like so Thanksgiving is always here, 151 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: there's like usually thirty people here. But also, like you know, 152 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: my mom and my cousins, they all live in very 153 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: nice homes, but they're just not as spacious. So for 154 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: whatever reason, my house and my sister lives in an apartment, 155 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: my house became the place to just bring things. Jen, 156 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: Can you store this in your basement in your garage? 157 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Obviously the ANSWER's always yes. But as a result, I've 158 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: got you have like my aunt mom, Mom is a 159 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: twin so my mom is Marilyn Carolyn's first wedding album album. 160 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: And I realized it last Thanksgiving when everyone was here, 161 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: I was like, who wants to see and Ka's wedding, 162 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Like it's so ridiculous that I have not just it's 163 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: not just my mom's stuff. It's my cousin's old pictures 164 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: and boxes and boxes of you know, my sister and 165 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,119 Speaker 1: I and our stuff when we were you know, in 166 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: elementary school and and like that my mom just gives 167 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: to me. So, yes, this is my house has a 168 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: lot of memorabilia stuff. Some of it I wish I 169 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: could throw out some of it. I just can't bring 170 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: myself to, I know. And what was it like growing 171 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: up for you? Where you was your mom? Like did 172 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: she keep everything? Or was she? My mom is in 173 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: a neat freak for sure, so I don't remember, you know, 174 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: necessarily that she kept everything, But I do remember everything 175 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: was always super organized even now, like you know, back 176 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: in the day. I don't know, depending upon what age 177 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: our listeners are right now, but we actually used to 178 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: take these things called pictures and put them into these 179 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: is called photo albums, and then we would like take 180 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: this piece of plastic and fold it over the pictures. 181 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: I used to scrap book. 182 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: I actually used to really scrap book, like with the microts, 183 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: like ribbon stuff really everything. 184 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to see some of my albums. I 185 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: used to love it well so, but my mom always 186 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: had all of her albums, you know, piled up with 187 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: everything was written down underneath the picture was the date 188 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: of it, you know, Jen's first. I don't know tooth 189 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: like even all of that. So I was never good 190 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: at that as a result. So my mom, yes, so 191 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: he's organized. She didn't throw that much away. But now 192 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: I am not like that, And so I have like 193 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: these boxes pictures and stuff from school, from the everything 194 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: that I saved, and it's sticking together and I just 195 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: never want to actually take it on. 196 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: I have boxes that I haven't unpacked from when I 197 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: moved eleven years ago for my house. I put them 198 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: right into like my basement storage area and just never yeah, I. 199 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: Mean, but they're like, look at it. 200 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: I have like hospital records, I have like of like 201 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: my kids being born. I don't can't bring myself to 202 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: throw that stuff out. 203 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: I have my law school books, like I don't know 204 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: what to do with them. You know, you ever thought 205 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: it's good, it's good. Yeah. When I think about like 206 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: our next step, I'm talking about me and Jeff, and 207 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, when we're done living in suburbia in this 208 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: colonial we want to go. I just keep thinking, I 209 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: want to go somewhere easy, small, light and bright without stuff. 210 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: I don't want any stuff now, of course everybody I'm 211 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: going to have stuff, but like that's what I picture 212 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: because going even going into my basement and I and 213 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: seeing the stuff puts me in a bad mood. I 214 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: don't like. 215 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: I know, I do feel a lot better when I 216 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: clean something out. Sometimes it feels like a big waste 217 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: of time to me, though, which is something that I 218 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: need to get past because it is time worthy. But 219 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: I just have a really hard time, like I have, 220 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: specifically a very hard time. So you're on the opposite 221 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: end of this problem. So in the past year, I've 222 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: gained weight, you've lost a lot of weight. 223 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 4: What. 224 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: I have a lot of clothes in my closet that 225 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 2: just don't won't even go over my thigh and I 226 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: want to get rid of them, and I know I 227 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: should get rid of them, but they're expensive, beautiful clothing. 228 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with it. I don't 229 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: want to like randomly put it in a bag and 230 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: send it off in a truck, you know, because it's beautiful. 231 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: Clothing and I don't want to get started like selling 232 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: on eBay. I don't know what to do with any 233 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 2: of this stuff. 234 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 4: No, I do with it. 235 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I have the same problem. But I've definitely 236 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: like I've I've gotten rid of a lot, and partially 237 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: because my daughter, who is twenty two, when she is 238 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: in need of money, goes through my closet, asks me 239 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: what I want when I don't, and then she sells. 240 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: So it's oh, amazing, Yeah, where does she sell it? Yeah, 241 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean you're asking the wrong girl. Honey, I'll give 242 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: you Rachel's number. She'll sell your stuff too, if you'd like. 243 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: I wish I'll keep the money. Do you have a 244 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: lot of things from when your kids were babies? I 245 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: have a lot, of course, I have a lot of stuff. 246 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: But you know, I can get into a moon and 247 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden just kind of get rid. 248 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: Just I'm in the mood of just cleaning it out 249 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: and get a big old garbage bag, and and I 250 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: never think about it again once I get rid of it. 251 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'd have like maybe what I brought Rachel 252 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: home and Jack home, you know, from the hospital, and 253 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: I have that, but I don't keep and keep like 254 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: all of their clothes or but certainly their first blankets, 255 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: but not much. I mean I keep saying to myself, like, 256 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: you have a lot I don't do. And I smell them. 257 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: I know it's so bad. I go down sometimes and 258 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: smell them. Oh but they still smell smell like my babies, 259 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: they do. 260 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: I used to use this lotion from Mastella and I 261 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: used it on all four of my kids throughout their 262 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: entire like childhood, until they were like ten years old. 263 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Right. It was the lotion after the. 264 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: Shower, and their clothes sometimes still smell like it. I 265 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: mean I washed their clothes, but obviously makes me sad 266 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: sometimes then you think, like are the kids going to 267 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: want to see all their stuff? Like are they going 268 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: to get older and want to see all of their 269 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: paperwork from you know, fourth grade? I have mine because 270 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: my mother saved it, right, But do I spend time 271 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: going through my mister Hamlin's class in fourth grade? And no, 272 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: I just don't, you know, So it's like collecting dust 273 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: down there. And then when my in laws passed also 274 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: there was they had so much stuff, right, but like. 275 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: Did you have to go through that and take care? Yeah? Yeah, 276 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: because my sister in law is in Atlanta, so yes, 277 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: and there were things that I knew, and I asked 278 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 1: the family, you know, you guys want this? Do you 279 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: guys want that? But there's so many pictures, and I 280 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know that it'd be great for 281 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: my kids to have pictures of their grandparents and their 282 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: kids to have pictures, but like how many is necessary? 283 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I don't know, well, but we I know, Well, 284 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: that's a good question. 285 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: I feel like if I had a change of mindset, 286 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: which I'm hoping that our guests today it can do 287 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: for me a change of mindset. And also like a strategy, 288 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: a better strategy than just like you know, get three 289 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 2: bags and make one to be you know, throw out 290 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: one to donate. 291 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: Like that is a lot of effort. 292 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: Like if if there was a strategy of like like 293 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: I heard someone say once and I'll bring this up again, 294 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: if you can get rid of something and if you 295 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: can replace something for less than twenty dollars in less 296 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: than twenty minutes and you haven't used it in a year, 297 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: throw it out. 298 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: And I like strategies like that. You know what I'm saying, 299 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm interested in, Like what that breaking that down. So 300 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: if you can replace it, I mean, we're talking about 301 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: it easy. 302 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: But let's say you have a let's say you have 303 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: a book that you haven't read and ever and you're 304 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: never planning on. 305 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: Reading it, right, But that's the problem. I think maybe 306 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: I'll read it. Who knows. Maybe that's the kind of thing. 307 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: You've had this book for seven years sitting on your bookshelf, 308 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: you could you could throw it out. If you could 309 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: replace that book for twenty dollars or less than twenty, 310 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: I mean, you can hop on e Bay and get 311 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: it for I mean on Amazon, get it for ten dollars. 312 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: Right, So, but that's an awful lot of stuff. That's 313 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: about half my house. Yeah. 314 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: So today we are interviewing the owners of an amazing 315 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: home organizing company called neat Freaks. It is Lauren to 316 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: Tungi and Nicole Ndrich. So it's neat Freaks home dot com. 317 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: And Lauren began organizing place bases for her clients as 318 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: a speech pathologist, and the clients were overwhelmed and easily distracted. 319 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: And Nicole is a licensed realtor who began helping others 320 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: organize their home in preparation for their sale. 321 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: Or their move That makes sense that that, you know. 322 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, both types of backgrounds definitely lend themselves to home organization. 323 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: I know, I have a lot of friends who are 324 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: realtors and they go in and they just say, you've 325 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: got to They just go through. You got to get 326 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: rid of all of this clutter. Clutters the big word, right, 327 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: because people when you walk into a house that you're 328 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: you're looking for a home, that's a turn off, right 329 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: seeing right, you have to see it sleet. Yeah, hey yeah, 330 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: but that's then you think to yourself, well, that would 331 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: make me happy every single day to come home and see, 332 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: you know, a clean slate, not all this clutter. So 333 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: not just for the people walking in to buy my house, 334 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: I would love to organize. So I have a million 335 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: questions for them. I know you do too. So uh, 336 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: let's welcome Lauren and Nicole. Hi, Hi, Hi, thank you 337 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: guys so much. We're so pretty, I know, aren't they? Yes? 338 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: So Jen and I were just talking about but all 339 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: the reasons why we have so much stuff. So it's 340 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: hard for Jen and I to let go of things. 341 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: You know, we have our. 342 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: Parents stuff, we have our kids stuff. Everything for me 343 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: is sentimental. Jen you feel that way too, right. 344 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: I do. I mean not everything, certainly, but I have, 345 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, have guilt. Putting those things that maybe you know, 346 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: we're from my kid's second grade Valentine's Day construction paper 347 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: heart into a garbage bag just hurts right, right, So 348 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: why don't they start forth grade? 349 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 2: Before we start asking you a million questions about how 350 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: to tackle all of this? 351 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: What do you guys do for people? 352 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: So we do it. 353 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 4: We can do something as simple as a closet or 354 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 4: a pantry, or we can help with a move, you know, 355 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 4: out of a home and downsizing to a smaller home. 356 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: There's no kind of project too small or too big, 357 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 4: but we do it all. 358 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: But what we like to think we do is we 359 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 3: bring calm to chaos. That's kind of what our goal is. 360 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: Yes, love that, that's what I mean. So let's start 361 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: with the sentimental items, right. 362 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: So, like, I have a lot of clothes for when 363 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: my kids were babies, their Halloween costUS umes, I have 364 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 2: their you know, their their second grade class album. I 365 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: have you know something that his class, aiden's class made 366 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: him when he. 367 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: Had his tonsils. 368 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: I have all this stuff, right, can't bring myself to 369 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 2: toss it what do you do with stuff? 370 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 4: So different answers for different of different items, But what 371 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 4: I would say in general is if you can limit 372 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 4: every family member to one clear plastic bin that's labeled 373 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 4: with their name, you can't. 374 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: Have I already love this so much, brilliantly, I know jus. 375 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: In in your child bin, the outfit they came home 376 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 4: from the hospital one it's irreplaceable. 377 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: Maybe you'll use it for a grandchild one day. 378 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 4: It's sentimental, it's valuable, it's meaningful, it's all of the above. 379 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 4: The Halloween costume that you likely have a gazillion pictures 380 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 4: of them in that costume. Make an album in your 381 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 4: phone photos labeled memories. Again, you can have it labeled 382 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: by child. It could be each child's memories or just 383 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 4: memories in general. 384 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 3: That's where you put things like Halloween costumes. 385 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: You mean you take a picture of them and put 386 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: it in the costume. 387 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 4: Million pictures of the child, and then that market memories. 388 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 4: Or if it's something you don't have a picture of, 389 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 4: take a picture of it, like the valentine that they 390 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 4: made you. Some are projects. I'm also okay with buying 391 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: one portfolio, like those big black narrow that take up 392 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 4: very little room per child and putting in our projects. 393 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: At some point you go back because I did this, 394 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 4: and you're like, I don't know why I get this, 395 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 4: But if right now you can't part with it, keep 396 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 4: give them a portfolio and give them one clear plastic bin. 397 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: Got it? 398 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: Love that? Hey? I love that? And how do you like? 399 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: What's your advice for detaching emotionally from something that? Like 400 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: I could see myself standing there staring at everything and 401 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: being like, but I want this, but I want that, 402 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: but I want this, like I can't get myself to 403 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: actually put it in a garbage bag? 404 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: How do you detach emotionally? 405 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: Right? 406 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 4: And many people are this way. So I think that 407 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 4: we are extremely sensitive to the emotional attachment. So if 408 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: you have a family member or a close friend that 409 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 4: you could hand something down to, it can feel less 410 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 4: of a detachment and then you're seeing somebody else enjoy it. 411 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: You could always donate it to a charity that you 412 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 4: have a special connection to. 413 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: And I tell you something that's so I have some 414 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: shame around this, but I'm going to tell you anyway. 415 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: So in terms of giving like close to charity, it's 416 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: for a long time I've given all of my stuff, 417 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: our stuff to my housekeeper. She's from Ukraine and so 418 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: she has sent it to Ukraine. But it's also hard. 419 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: I feel great about that, but partially because I don't 420 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: know about getting my stuff into the bags, finding out 421 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: where to go go? Where's goodwill? Is it? On seventeen? 422 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry to report. So I just like 423 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: I do give it away and it's going to you know, 424 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: people that need it. But tell us, like, how is it? How? 425 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: It's probably so easy to find the local goodwill? I mean, 426 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, do they make you to then you have 427 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: to write it all down and use it for attack. Yeah, 428 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: but even good. 429 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: Will that I don't want to give all my good 430 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: stuff to a place that's just going to sell it 431 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: and maybe use the money to renovate their store, you know, 432 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: Like I want to make sure that it's going someplace, 433 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 2: getting into people's closets that need it. 434 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: So what are some good places? 435 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 4: So the Bergen Family Center is serves local families, so 436 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 4: I like that just because we're from this area. 437 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 3: But you have to bring your clothes to them, you know. 438 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 4: Obviously Vietnam vets and Salvation Army come and pick up. 439 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: That's easy and they're reputable. 440 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, because they're everywhere. 441 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: A luxury item versus then can sign it get some. 442 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: So what does that mean? What does that mean? 443 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: Because I know a consignment's store, but so so you 444 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: trust these stores. 445 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 4: Well, you're getting some financial reimbursement, so you trust that 446 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 4: you're getting something back for it. If listen, if you 447 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 4: can give it to a charity that you're connected to, 448 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 4: or a close friend or a family member and you 449 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 4: reap the benefits, or you know a housekeeper and you're 450 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 4: reaping the benefits of seeing them enjoy it, wonderful, But 451 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 4: actually the box. 452 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 3: It really does. 453 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 4: But if not, then get financial reimbursement, especially if it's 454 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 4: a luxury item or a bag. 455 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: Consignment stores tend to take a lot. There's a larger 456 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: percentage of what they pay. I think because I've done. 457 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: I've consigned a couple of things and it's like eighty 458 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: twenty or something towards. 459 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 4: So wow, New Jersey is great, and you do get 460 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 4: money back in Englewood. And but I do think that 461 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 4: or the real real or the real real gives you 462 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 4: money back. But I do you you're repurposing, you are 463 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 4: knowing you're taking it at a loss, but you're gaining space. 464 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: And the eighty twenty who gets the eighty they do. 465 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: But that's I just use that. I'm just saying when 466 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: I've done it in the past, it's been that kind 467 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 1: of a breakdown. Wow, that's a lot. Yeah, and they 468 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: have to pay their rent. They have to pay I 469 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: know that's a lot. Well that's a loss. 470 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So what do you do when, like you 471 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: have items around your house that because I have so 472 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 2: much of this, I have never used them, or I 473 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: haven't used them in a decade, but I see potential 474 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: future use, which I see everywhere everything I see potential 475 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: future use. 476 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: Right. 477 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 4: Well, so again you're constantly going to be going through 478 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 4: your things, and whatever you can donate or purge, you 479 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 4: should do that. And then if you have the space 480 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 4: to keep the things that you don't want to part with, 481 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 4: then don't part with them and keep it. I think 482 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 4: it all depends on the not just the value, but 483 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 4: like is it a generic item, because if it's like 484 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 4: old T shirts, and you know, trends change, fashion changes, 485 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 4: get rid of old that is going to be easily 486 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 4: replaceable versus certain clothing items or in any type of 487 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 4: item that you're just kind of like it's a little 488 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: more unique and maybe I'll revisit it. But space, because 489 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 4: it depends on both the item and the space. If 490 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 4: the item is generic, donate it or you know, encourage it. 491 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: But if you have the space, it's not an issue. 492 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 4: If you need space, that's when you can realize I 493 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 4: haven't used it in a while, I haven't worn it 494 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 4: in a while. 495 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: Right, Right, So we were talking about our closets and 496 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: gen has Jen has lost a ton of weight in 497 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: the past like two years, and I've gained a fair 498 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: amount of weight in the past like two years. And 499 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: we both have a lot of clothes that don't fit 500 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 2: us anymore. Jan has daughter in her twenties who she 501 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: can Jen, do you share clothes with your daughter? 502 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: I share the clothes out that I have now because 503 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Rachel it is always thinner than I was. But it's 504 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say, Jack, it's very hard, 505 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: not just because they're necessarily luxury clothing items, but like 506 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: what if the what ifs, Like what if I gain 507 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: the weight and I don't want to throw out this 508 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 1: pair of expensive genes because I've yoyoled my whole life, 509 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: so it's hard. And so I have, like you know, 510 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: the and I think lots of women have this, right, 511 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: like clothes of all different sizes for sure. 512 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, but in this case, again, both the item and 513 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 4: the space need to be considered. So if you have 514 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 4: the space, it's great. But like Emma, right, and to 515 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 4: your point of a daughter, I have a twenty year 516 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: old college age daughter and she is constantly in my 517 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 4: closet repurposing all of my like good old things that 518 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 4: I never wanted to part with. 519 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: Right. Does she do a good job. 520 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: She does a great job. Honestly. 521 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 4: She was just in Vegas all the college kids go 522 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 4: like their senior year, and she was actually wearing something 523 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 4: that was my mother's from like thirty five years ago, 524 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: like this whole sequence back the top. 525 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: So again it's like, if you have the space pull 526 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 3: on to these things. 527 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 4: And I will say this, if you don't have the space, 528 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 4: parting with it is hard, no doubt. Once you do, 529 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 4: especially if it's something it's might as well, it's a 530 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 4: what if it's something you haven't seen or used in 531 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 4: five two five years. 532 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 3: I once you do part with it, let it go. 533 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: I've fought so much stuff that I've gotten rid of 534 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: and I struggle with it, you know, putting it in 535 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: the bag, and then I literally just you never think 536 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: about it again. It's not in the closet, so it's 537 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: so and all of a sudden, I can actually how 538 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 1: about the fact that I can actually see things in 539 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: my closet and they forgot to become new again? Exactly, 540 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Yeah, I love that. 541 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: Do consignment stores take like the expensive clothing because I know, 542 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: a luxury item, but like I have a lot of 543 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 2: pants from let's say, like Veronica Beard that are or 544 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 2: Alison Olivia and they're really tiny sizes. 545 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: Who is real real? Yeah, I heard mixed things. 546 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 4: You have to be willing to take the pictures and 547 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 4: you know, but people do get money back. 548 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: What does real real do? What's the process there? 549 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 2: You? 550 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: I think you call them, they send you a box. 551 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 4: They send you boxes, and they come to you and 552 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 4: they kind of send back what doesn't sell, They send 553 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 4: you checks. 554 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: It's oh, really cool. Maybe I'll have them come over 555 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: and they take good clothes. Yeah, finer clothes, right, that's 556 00:27:59,320 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: all they take. 557 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they don't know. 558 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: But even just the thought of that makes me nervous, 559 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 2: Like I'd all like what you said, Jen, like the 560 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: yo yoing of it, I'm and then I'll start thinking like, oh, well, 561 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: maybe I could just take this to a tailor and 562 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: get the waist taken out, or maybe another option, maybe 563 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: my daughter is going to want it. So I have 564 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 2: a very hard time with this stuff. Well sometimes I 565 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: think I just need to change my mindset. So can 566 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: you talk to us a little bit about what are 567 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: the benefits of clearing out your space? 568 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: Oh? 569 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 4: Okay, One is I think it just saves time when 570 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 4: you're looking for something. 571 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: It's easier to know where it is. 572 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: When everything is clean and has a place and has 573 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 4: its own space, it's easier to clean up, and it's 574 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 4: easier to find things. 575 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: You just are more organized. 576 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 4: Yes, And I would say like clutter can just be 577 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 4: very distracting, and so an organized, neat space always makes 578 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 4: you feel soothing and tranquil, which ultimately that's our goal 579 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 4: when we leave our clients, we just want to leave 580 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 4: them feeling tranquil and at peace and less. 581 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: Cluttered and come. 582 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 4: And I think also I practice speech pathology practice speech pathology, 583 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 4: and I work with children who are extremely distracted. And 584 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 4: actually I got into this because I was organizing place 585 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 4: bases for children who were so easily distracted, and I 586 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 4: found when I organized their one room in their home 587 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 4: to it increase their focus. So even for children, increasing 588 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 4: their focus, but as well for adults. And an office 589 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 4: that's clean and serene and tranquil and neat and organized 590 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 4: and tidy, it just it's less distracting and you're able 591 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 4: to I also think that it improves the appearance of 592 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 4: your home. If you walk into someone else's home that 593 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 4: is clutter free and neat and tidy, it looks bigger, 594 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 4: it looks more space. It's just your causets look bigger 595 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 4: if you open them and it's not all stuffed in 596 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 4: and you can see things and find things. And obviously, 597 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 4: if one day down the road you wanted to sell 598 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 4: your home, it's it's a huge advantage to have it organized. 599 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: How do you start, you guys, like you know, a 600 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: lot of times I just feel so overwhelmed, Right, I 601 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: have a between my basement and all the drawers, and 602 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: is it just? And I do when I do do it, 603 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: like even my makeup drawer, I say, okay, just this, 604 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: let's just do the makeup shore today. And it's a 605 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: small deal. 606 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 4: Start small as our number one advice. I think if 607 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 4: you just begin organizing one small area and you can 608 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 4: get that one small area under control, that's a win. 609 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: You've just try to commit to like a certain number 610 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: of minutes a day or a certain like area per week, 611 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: or like. 612 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: Well. 613 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 4: I go on in but no, if I was advising 614 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 4: someone else, then you know, do as much as you can. 615 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 3: Don't start too big. 616 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: Are it in makeup draws perfect or do a gene section. 617 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 4: Do it in sections and it will feel less overwhelming. 618 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you. 619 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 4: Declutter by category, you know, today I'm not going to 620 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 4: do my entire closet. 621 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: I'm just going to do genes. 622 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 4: Then the next day I'm just going to do sweaters 623 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 4: and then make piles. 624 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: You know. 625 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 4: One pile is donate, one is purge, one is consigned, 626 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 4: one is keep right. 627 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 3: And now you have. 628 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 4: Different sections for different items. And I also think putting 629 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 4: like items together sometimes helps you visualize the excess you have. 630 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 4: Oh my god, I did not realize just how many 631 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 4: black sweaters I had, or just how many picture frames 632 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 4: I have that I'm holding on to that don't even 633 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 4: hold pictures. And once you put a bunch of like 634 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 4: items together, you realize just how much of each item 635 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 4: you have, and you're more willing to let go of 636 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 4: some of it. 637 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: Right. 638 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know a problem that I have is these 639 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: four children of mine, and they just every time I 640 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: get rid of one thing, they bring in six more. 641 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 2: And so, like take for example, their shoe area. So 642 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: I have three teenage boys and one teenage girl, and 643 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: like my like shoe area where everyone takes the shoes 644 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: off when they walk into the house is absolutely it 645 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: gives me a stomach ache every time I walk by it. 646 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: Like I almost kill myself every time I walk by 647 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: it because I almost trip on a shoe. 648 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: There's sixteen pairs of sneakers, sixteen pairs of. 649 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: Crops, there's flip flops, there's night shoes, there's going out shoes, 650 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: there's sambas. 651 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with this stuff I have. 652 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: I bought myself one of those plastic hanging shoe racks 653 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: that I put over the door, and the whole thing 654 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: is like collapsing because there's just too many shoes in there. 655 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with all the shoes. Help. 656 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 4: So in terms of everyday shoes, obviously, see the mud room, 657 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 4: like the area you're talking about is where they should be. 658 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 4: But like, is there room in your daughter's closet for 659 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 4: her dress shoes that maybe she only wears once a 660 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 4: month or you know, less frequently, or even I mean 661 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,959 Speaker 4: even putting a space in your garage for cleats, you know, 662 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 4: a rack in the garage and you're where you're entering 663 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 4: the mudroom. But that can help with like the excess 664 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 4: spillover and the stuff. 665 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 3: That you don't necessarily want. 666 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: That's a good nice piled. 667 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 4: Coming inside from outside. Anyway, my son used to before 668 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 4: we had a mudroom. He used to come in and 669 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 4: the entire turf field would be in my in my 670 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 4: like he had all. 671 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 3: Those little I was like, what is going on here? 672 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: Take it off outside? 673 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 4: So doing it in the garage makes it a little 674 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 4: neater as well. 675 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: Jet is an empty nester. So yeah, so for me, 676 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: it's not the cleats anymore. But I go, I get 677 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: very jealous when my see like the women that keep 678 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: the shoes in boxes or the clear boxes, so you can, 679 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: of course that's you, yeah my shoes. Yeah, like well, 680 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: so my shoes are piled up on top of each other, 681 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, I have all the shoes shells. But but 682 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: we've weigh we've way outgrown the shelves. There's way more 683 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: so you know, it's just so sloppy and it looks 684 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: and I walk into a closet, you know, and I'm 685 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: like to have I look at the Kardashians, Look how 686 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: they keep their shoes, but they don't do their own 687 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: ship the obviously obviously, obviously. 688 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 3: I do love them. I would like those closets. 689 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 4: I love the domestic fins and mine open easily, and 690 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 4: I just love them because I can see what's inside. 691 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: And it protects the shoes they're me. 692 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 4: I can't say enough about them, but they where do 693 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 4: you get them? Amazon? Ikea? Yeah, like they make tea 694 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 4: anywhere anywhere. The Container store has really nice ones. And 695 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,439 Speaker 4: Amazon and Ikea have perfectly fine clear shoe boxes yep. 696 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 3: And they they stack and they open easily. Yeah, they 697 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 3: are good. 698 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't have them, but either when you yeah. 699 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 4: For putting them on, Like sometimes there's a shelf on 700 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 4: top of the closet, and that could be a place 701 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 4: where you, like, maybe you put the winter boots there 702 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 4: in the summer, in the summer, shoes there in the winter, 703 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 4: just as. 704 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: That's a good idea, okay. 705 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: I also ward shoe boxes tell me that it's okay 706 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 2: to get rid of them. 707 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: They're beautiful, Like how do you get rid. 708 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: Of like like a thick brown shoebox, right. 709 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,479 Speaker 4: Because once you get rid of it, you're not going 710 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 4: to miss the box. I've thrown out like nice beautiful boxes, 711 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 4: and I don't miss them. 712 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: I see some women like decorating their closet with. 713 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 4: Them, right, unless it's decorative or if you're knacking the 714 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 4: shoes on top of each other, you do know, like, 715 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 4: oh those are the Louis, those are the Chanelle you know, right? 716 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: What about Clocka books because I have so many that 717 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: are it's just shameful. I have from my guest room. 718 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: I use that closet as well, but it's not enough 719 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: room and it's not that like in the Ploka books 720 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: are just they're not in the bags. They give you 721 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: these beautiful dust bags, and that's not me. I just 722 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't have the patience for that. So they're all 723 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: just kind of Yeah. 724 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,959 Speaker 4: They do make clear divide your dividers. That just help 725 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 4: stand them up and you can kind of squeeze. 726 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: More in, yeah, to use all the shape and yeah, so. 727 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 3: That I like them. I don't use them per one bag. 728 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 4: I'll put like three clutches in one section and then 729 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 4: you know it, just you can kind of consolidate and 730 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 4: put more together and they do keep their shape. I 731 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 4: also like putting like dress the evening bags in one 732 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 4: section or large large totes. 733 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: Okay, what are these containers? How do I buy them? 734 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 3: Not container viders? 735 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: Dividers? 736 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 3: You can get them on Amazon as well. 737 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: Yep, what are they called? Just like cock a book divider. 738 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, they're looseight, they're clear. 739 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: Oh I love that. I'm going to do that and 740 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to throw away my boxes. So do you 741 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: have any like hard and fast rules. 742 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 2: I was telling Jen that I heard once that if 743 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 2: you have an item you haven't used in a year, 744 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 2: if you could replace it in under twenty minutes for 745 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 2: under twenty dollars, that you should get rid of it. 746 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: But that seems like almost half my house. So by 747 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 2: can I just show you there's a plant behind me? 748 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: You see this plant? So that plant is in a 749 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: black like vs that I probably paid maybe like fifty 750 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: dollars for. I have moved this plant. Now it's sitting 751 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 2: in the corner of my dining room. I've moved it 752 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: from room to room to rooms to see if there's 753 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 2: anywhere that I like it and I hate it, but 754 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 2: I can't bring myself to. 755 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: Throw it out right, Like, what's your rules? 756 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 2: What's an easy rule to follow that we should be 757 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 2: comfortable with that'll make a lot of this easier. 758 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 4: Well, for wonder, if it's not bringing your joy, and 759 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 4: if it's not serving a purpose, let it go. You 760 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 4: will not miss it, right, and be okay with it 761 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 4: to your point, you will. 762 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 3: Not miss it. Yeah, And I do think. 763 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 4: Taking a time to just be like how many of 764 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 4: all of taking like items together and being like how 765 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 4: many scissors off these supplies or kitchen utensils or donate niggers? 766 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 3: How many? 767 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 4: How many pairs of sneakers that you know are serving 768 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 4: the exact same purpose? Get rid of these are the 769 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 4: only two pairs that I actually wear. I don't need 770 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 4: the others. So putting all like items together, it helps 771 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 4: you kind of realize, oh, minimily do. 772 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 3: Have a lot of this. I could part with some 773 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 3: of it when. 774 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: I get like samples my buy's expensive skincare or whatever, 775 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: so they give you like the huge palch good one. Yeah, 776 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: and how many samples I have products. Yeah, so I'm like, well, 777 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: I'll take them on vacation, so I don't have to 778 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: bring the bottle, right. 779 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 3: To say, put them in a travel bag. 780 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great, right, But I also don't mix 781 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 2: up my skincare like that. So I have these beautiful 782 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 2: skincare samples, I don't know what to do with them, 783 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 2: grow them out. 784 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 4: Or give them to your daughter, let or you know 785 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 4: her friends like that could be like a fun Here 786 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 4: is some beauty that's true, and that's like fun where 787 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 4: I love the concept of putting in a little travel 788 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,720 Speaker 4: bag for when you go away. 789 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 3: That's great. 790 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys do the thing where you have 791 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: your travel toiletries separate, Like I've wanted to do this 792 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: for so long and I haven't. Like you have so 793 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: that when you're going. I hate packing, everybody does. But 794 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: where you have your travel toiletries you've bought that separate 795 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: from your you do that, Jack. I have a. 796 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 2: Bag of travel toiletrees that's always packed that every like 797 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 2: two years. I make sure I like clean out the 798 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 2: product because it is probably old. But yeah, I have 799 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 2: it always ready to go and I carry it on. 800 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 2: It's fall in three ounce containers, and every. 801 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: Want to spend the money on buying the stuff to 802 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: put into the travel, like buying an extra whatever serum. 803 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: I don't do that. I don't buy the extra one. 804 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 2: I get the little three ounce containers from CBS and 805 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 2: I fill up from my existing stuff. 806 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 3: That's perfect. 807 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 4: And I have toothbrush, like certain basics like toothbrush, yeah, 808 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 4: always in there. 809 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 810 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 2: So what's your role with like like, oh, some people 811 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,439 Speaker 2: say if you haven't used it in a year, get 812 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 2: rid of it. That to me is horrifying, but like 813 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,720 Speaker 2: one is not enough time. What's like for clothing. 814 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: Let's say, if you haven't touched it in how long 815 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: should you get rid of it? 816 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,399 Speaker 4: So let's say you did your closet, you went through 817 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 4: your closet, like I make a pile of I haven't 818 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 4: worn this in a year. If it's still there the 819 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 4: next year and you still haven't worn it again, if 820 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 4: space isn't an issue and a part of you, that's 821 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 4: like maybe maybe, but get rid of some of it, 822 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 4: right because chances are you're not going to miss it. 823 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 4: You didn't miss it for that year or the year before. 824 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 4: So I think right, old T shirts, tank tops, like 825 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 4: those things over time they've had. 826 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 3: It, they need to go. 827 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I put my after my wedding. The day after 828 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 2: my wedding, I didn't get my dress cleaned or anything. 829 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 2: I just put it in a garment bag and I 830 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 2: haven't yet. 831 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: To open it. 832 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 2: It's just been sitting in my closet for seventeen years. 833 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 2: It's probably all yellow now, but I mean, I'm going 834 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 2: to keep it. I'm not asking you if I should 835 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 2: get rid of it, but I just I'm like, I 836 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 2: have so much stuff that I've just like stuck into garment. 837 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're on this show. We have 838 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: so many dresses. I have so much clothing that like 839 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: reminds me of things that I did, but like I'm 840 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: not wearing it anymore. You guys see this Unrevolve. They 841 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: have oh croissants, Yes, croissants to say that's a brilliant. 842 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: I was afraid to do it though, I was starting 843 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: to do it, and then I was like, what if 844 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: this I'm doing it? You guys know we're talking about 845 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm Revolved. They have this thing now where they buy 846 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: back clothes and it's certain items. Certain items. Yeah, they don't. 847 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 2: Offer you a ton, but some of the stuff that 848 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 2: they so they send you like the pictures of the 849 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 2: things that they're willing to take back, and you probably 850 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 2: take like a seventy percent loss on it. But if 851 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 2: you're not wearing it as because you're getting something back, 852 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to look into rent the runway. 853 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 1: But I've done it. I've done it many times. 854 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 4: You probably are wearing it like dresses all the time. 855 00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 4: You're not going to keep repeating. 856 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well, af after I had kids, like immediately 857 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 2: after having kids, I was like, I'm never gonna wear 858 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 2: heels again. So I went through a phase for a 859 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 2: few years of buying Todd's flats, you know, like the 860 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 2: iconic with the bumps on the back, and so I 861 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 2: have like eight pairs of Todd's flats that after like 862 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 2: a year of that, I was like, you know what, 863 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 2: I hate flats. 864 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm never wearing flats again. I'm going back to heels. 865 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 2: And I have a lot of Todd's flats that I 866 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 2: have never touched again, and like, I'm not wearing Ballerina flats. 867 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 2: They're just not me, and so I don't know what 868 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 2: to do with them. So I think the real real 869 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 2: is probably like my only option that all right. 870 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call them. 871 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 2: So when you go into people's houses. Oh, and then 872 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 2: I have something really important to ask you. 873 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: Do people ever freak out? Are they like, stop touching myself? 874 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: Because that's the way that I feel like I can 875 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: never have someone in. But maybe I could like, what 876 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: is the process like for you guys? 877 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 4: Well, we really are always so super sensitive because it's 878 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 4: your personal belongings. Don't want you to feel in any 879 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 4: way like we're coming in like gangbusters. We just we 880 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 4: really take that into consideration and understand how valuable and 881 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 4: meaningful your belongings are. And you know what Laurence said before, 882 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 4: When we come into your home, we want to build 883 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 4: a rapport with you so that you feel comfortable with 884 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 4: us being there, and then we kind of get into 885 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 4: a groove and you do feel comfortable. 886 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that we have to go. 887 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,399 Speaker 1: Through people's stuff and find like something bad. 888 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 2: I don't like, something dirty, like you open a woman's 889 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 2: store and find her vibrators. 890 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 4: Like, But I would say say that one of the 891 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 4: reasons we do our free consult is really to establish 892 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 4: a rapport and make sure that they're comfortable with us 893 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 4: and that they know that we understand the sensitivity and 894 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 4: privacy and you know of what's going on and if 895 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 4: you know, if there's things you don't want us, getting. 896 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 3: Very respectful of that as well. 897 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I just don't know how I can imagine 898 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: being you, Like I I don't thought of taking on 899 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,479 Speaker 1: my own closet and my and what do you think 900 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: it is? I don't know if for me that would 901 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 1: be to have to all day look in someone else's closet, 902 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: go through it, organize it, take out their crap, go 903 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: through the dressers. You enjoy your work like I love 904 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 1: you love it? Like it just sounds so horrible. No, 905 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,760 Speaker 1: it probably no. I think it sounds like like popping, 906 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: is it? Like as much as you it's like you're 907 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: doing it. It's physical too. It's like it's definitely hard 908 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: for sure. 909 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 2: But they don't have the sentimental like attachment. 910 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 4: Which do so when we do homes, we call each 911 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 4: other like I can't do my own myself. 912 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 3: I genuinely believe you need someone else to be like 913 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 3: get rid of it. That is heard. 914 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: I think the Sex the City episode when they were 915 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: going through Carrie's closet. You remember that one. I remember 916 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,799 Speaker 1: that one when she was getting rid of all of 917 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: her stuff. I'm so cute. Well she got rid of something. 918 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 2: Can I talk to you about jewelry because that is 919 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 2: probably my biggest problem. So my issue is that, like, 920 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 2: so you have all this jewelry. I'm not saying that 921 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 2: I have all like tons of diamonds hanging around my closet, 922 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 2: but like, I have a lot of jewelry, and not 923 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 2: all of it's super expensive. But I don't know what 924 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 2: to do with it because I don't want it out 925 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 2: in the open. So like all this beautiful like hanging 926 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 2: shit that they sell at home goods, I can't buy 927 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 2: that because I have a lot of workers in my house. 928 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 2: Of course, I'm not saying workers are not trustworthy, but 929 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 2: I don't know them. 930 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: I don't want it. 931 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 2: Sitting there when the cable guy comes to fix my 932 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 2: cable in my room. 933 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: So I need to hide it. But I can't hide it. 934 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 2: In anything that keeps my jewelry from tangling. I have 935 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 2: necklaces that I haven't worn in years because they are 936 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 2: in one giant knot and I can't untangle them. 937 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 4: Well, they do sell stackable trays that you could put, 938 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 4: you know, that are individually so you could put each 939 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 4: of your necklaces and then so that they're not out, 940 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,719 Speaker 4: you could put them, you know, in a draw in 941 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 4: your closet that's easily accessible for you, but sort of 942 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 4: hidden underclothes so it's not. 943 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 3: Out like under your tank tops or under your t shirts. 944 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,360 Speaker 4: You put the actual the drawers that lay the trays, 945 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 4: trays that lay flat would be good for necklaces not 946 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 4: being tangled for you. 947 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: What do you mean, So are they divided into sections? 948 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can put like probably two per section, but 949 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 4: like with a little tiny lip, you know, like not 950 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 4: just picture the felt a felt tray with little lips, 951 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 4: so you could lay your necklaces down and they won't 952 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,920 Speaker 4: hit the other one, the one next. 953 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: So they have a section for like ear rings and rings. 954 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 4: And you can do it yourself as well, you know, 955 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 4: because you can buy different compartments based on what you have. 956 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: Where do you get that stuff? And then you're organized 957 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: with your jewelry. No, I'm not organized with anything. I 958 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: mean I organized when I moved into my house. The 959 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,839 Speaker 1: very clever owner had created the to the jewelry doors, 960 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: so you open in their section and whatever they have, 961 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: but it overflows, and you know, proud itself, and I'm 962 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,360 Speaker 1: not no, I'm not great with it. Is your jewelry 963 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,759 Speaker 1: drawer locked? No, I know, that would be a good 964 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: idea to make it a lot. 965 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 3: And then she hides the key. 966 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be so much even just. 967 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's like a road drawer and it has 968 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 4: to actually pull out felt things, and she stores a 969 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 4: lot in there. I mean, it's probably obvious in there 970 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,879 Speaker 4: if someone were to break into your. 971 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: I know, but at least it makes it harder to 972 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: you know. You know. 973 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,280 Speaker 2: One of my other problems is so like my dad 974 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,280 Speaker 2: and my mom, they live in separate homes. They're still married, 975 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,879 Speaker 2: but they live separately for twenty five years. They both 976 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 2: keep everything, and they have tons and tons and tons 977 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 2: of paperwork. But I went to my dad's house to 978 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,399 Speaker 2: try to help him organize a few years ago, and 979 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 2: he had literally I opened his like one of his 980 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:16,280 Speaker 2: kitchen cabinets, and he had fifty mugs and fifty plates. 981 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 2: And then I said, Dak, can I throw out half 982 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 2: of it? 983 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,399 Speaker 1: What do you need to throw out half? I said, 984 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: do you live alone? How many mugs do you need? 985 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 1: You know? And then but then I started to look 986 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,359 Speaker 1: at the mugs and I was like, oh, I got 987 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: this one in fourth grade, right, I don't want to 988 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 1: throw that out, and like there's a little sand at 989 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: the bottom when you finished drinking, And. 990 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 2: Like I had a problem throwing out his moors. 991 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know where to start sometimes. 992 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it sounds like he has them all in 993 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 4: one spot, which is the first step he you know, 994 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 4: on all the mugs are together, If they're all fitting 995 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 4: in that one cabinet designated for mugs, then like what's 996 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 4: it to you whether there's two mugs in. 997 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 3: There which are practs twenty or twenty. 998 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,879 Speaker 4: When it starts to overflow and they no longer fit 999 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 4: fit in that area, that's when it's time to purge, right, 1000 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 4: Like I don't believe in storing anything and putting it 1001 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 4: in the basement or putting it in the attic ways, 1002 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 4: you'll never do it. 1003 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 3: So as long as there's room for it and it's not. 1004 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 4: Bothering anyone, and he's not downsizing or going to a 1005 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 4: smaller space. If they make him happy, and they make 1006 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 4: you happy for now and they bring you to the spot, 1007 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 4: keep them right. But the second there's one mug too many, 1008 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 4: he's got to choose and get rid of one to 1009 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:29,919 Speaker 4: make space for the new. 1010 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 1: I think it's good to check because, like, for instance, 1011 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: my husband had a shot glass collection and I just 1012 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: wasn't having it. I did too. Well, guess what, he 1013 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have it anymore. But he realized that he doesn't 1014 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: have it anymore. He was not pleased. He should probably ask, 1015 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 1: but oh yeah, yeah, he was pissed. I have to say, 1016 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 1: maybe not my but I'm like, I never thought he 1017 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: would even notice. It was like put away in like 1018 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,319 Speaker 1: like we're our bar area in a corner and a 1019 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,800 Speaker 1: million years, I didn't think he would notice. Yep, they've gone. 1020 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, here's a here's what I really struggle with. 1021 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 2: And I wish I could take you over to it. 1022 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: But I am so. I'm not a hoarder. 1023 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 2: Obviously, hoarding is a serious mental illness, right, but I 1024 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 2: use the term very loosely. I'd say something that I 1025 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,239 Speaker 2: do actually tend to hoard is alcohol. And so when 1026 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 2: I get a nice bottle, I don't drink it, and 1027 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 2: I leave it improperly stored on top of my like 1028 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 2: in my like whip bar area. And first of all, 1029 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 2: I have bottles that have been sitting there for fifteen years. 1030 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,439 Speaker 2: That I are probably not good anymore, but I don't 1031 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,359 Speaker 2: want to throw them out. 1032 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,840 Speaker 1: I can say, al bad, Yes, I think so. 1033 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,880 Speaker 2: If it's not stored properly, do they makes it can 1034 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:44,959 Speaker 2: sometimes come over? 1035 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:46,720 Speaker 1: Do they? Okay? 1036 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 2: So I bought a bottle of crystal fifteen years ago 1037 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,359 Speaker 2: when crystal was popular, right. More than that, I don't 1038 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 2: want to throw out the crystal because it costs me 1039 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 2: like two hundred bucks. I don't want to drink the 1040 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 2: crystal because it will probably make me ill right now, 1041 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 2: because it's been improperly sort for twenty years. Do they 1042 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 2: make people who can come to your house and be like, 1043 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,279 Speaker 2: throw this out, through this out, it's going to make 1044 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 2: you sick. 1045 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 3: Alcohol is not one that we've Yeah, I don't. I 1046 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 3: don't know how to. 1047 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 4: I would say, if you're willing to throw it away 1048 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 4: and you don't care, you're not drinking it, you're not 1049 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 4: regifting it, you're not. 1050 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,000 Speaker 1: Well, I would regift it. But I don't want to 1051 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 1: make other people sick. 1052 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:24,880 Speaker 2: I want to. 1053 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,800 Speaker 1: I want I love regifted. 1054 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 3: You'll make them sick. Maybe it got better, maybe it's 1055 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 3: worth more now. I think we have to research first 1056 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 3: with the. 1057 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 4: Alcohol, like the specific alcohol and if it gets better 1058 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 4: or worse. 1059 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 2: Right, I know I need to go through and just 1060 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,359 Speaker 2: spend some time like googling how long does this last? Right? 1061 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: And if it? And on that note, if you're going 1062 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: through your pantry the second that's something hits the expiration date, 1063 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,879 Speaker 1: do you have to throw it out? Or like, what's 1064 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: the rule with that? Does does shit list longer? 1065 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 3: Does I do? 1066 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 4: Because my son is like the expiration date like police, 1067 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 4: Yes he is. So if it's one day expired, he's like, 1068 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,319 Speaker 4: it's gotta go. So I tend to toss things that 1069 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,600 Speaker 4: are expired. 1070 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 3: And I think and it lasts forever? 1071 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think right, So when he goes to college, 1072 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 4: I wants. 1073 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,799 Speaker 1: I meant to just say, Jackie, you can bring if 1074 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,400 Speaker 1: you want all your old alcohol. If you want to 1075 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: just bring it here, we could test it. We can 1076 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: crystal right over to my house. Yes, well I have 1077 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: don par I have all of this. I'll take it, 1078 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: no problem, Like this is so pretty. 1079 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 4: I don't want to think a gift as well, give 1080 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 4: like champagne. I have to research. 1081 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you gifts, you know, I got to 1082 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,839 Speaker 1: do a little research on that. Nobody's having you guys 1083 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: over to go through their liquor cabinet. They got bigger problems, right, I. 1084 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,759 Speaker 2: Know, But this this makes me want to so what 1085 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 2: kind of people call you? Is it people whose homes 1086 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 2: are just so completely out of control? Or is it 1087 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,439 Speaker 2: like normal homes that just want more? 1088 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 3: Like it runs the gamut. 1089 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 4: I think our niche has become we've kind of attached 1090 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,200 Speaker 4: ourselves or gotten acquaintance with a bunch of real estate 1091 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 4: brokers who have been to refer us. 1092 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,480 Speaker 3: So our niche has. 1093 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,919 Speaker 4: Become people who are moving and downsizing or or moving 1094 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 4: to bigger But usually it's the downsizing that's more overwhelming, 1095 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,360 Speaker 4: and we kind of begin at that level. The first 1096 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,839 Speaker 4: purge is when you're packing. The second purge is when 1097 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 4: you're moving them in donating, you know, consigning, keeping packing 1098 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,919 Speaker 4: everything in an organized way, like items together. So their 1099 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 4: books may be everywhere in their house, but when we 1100 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 4: pack them, we pack them all together, so that when 1101 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 4: we're unpacking, we can be like, Okay, let's put all 1102 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 4: the books in the bookshelf or in the living room 1103 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,799 Speaker 4: or to the den or wherever it may go. 1104 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 3: That's been our niche. 1105 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,880 Speaker 4: But we I mean, are being. 1106 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 3: A lot of referrals. 1107 00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,840 Speaker 4: Yes, people will you know, email us and they're either. 1108 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,280 Speaker 3: Moving or they have. 1109 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,480 Speaker 4: A closet that they need to attack and they just 1110 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,240 Speaker 4: need really the handholding to get it done. 1111 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,359 Speaker 1: Just speaking of referrals, I was going to say, tell 1112 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,319 Speaker 1: our listeners where to find you, please. 1113 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 4: Meat freaks home dot com or on Instagram or Facebook. 1114 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 3: It's neat freaks home. 1115 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 2: And I know people who have used them, and they 1116 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 2: are I have never used you, guys, but I know 1117 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 2: that people grieve about. 1118 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: You guys, So thank you so much. 1119 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,439 Speaker 2: Okay, So I think I'm ready to call the real 1120 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,160 Speaker 2: real and I'm ready to throw out all my shoeboxes. 1121 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 1: Ok and then I'm going to attack my kids. 1122 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 4: Shoes unless you stack them up on the higher part 1123 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,280 Speaker 4: of your closet. 1124 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to go or shoe boxes. Yes, I'm going 1125 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,120 Speaker 1: to order actually the jewelry things. Okay. So we have 1126 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,240 Speaker 1: all cut out for us. Thank you, ladies, so much. 1127 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. 1128 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,440 Speaker 1: Once I'm all cleaned out, I'll invite everybody over and 1129 00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,000 Speaker 1: we could drink my old alcohol. 1130 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 3: Okay. 1131 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,319 Speaker 1: I love you guys, Thank you, Thank you guys. That 1132 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,360 Speaker 1: was great. Okay. 1133 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,920 Speaker 2: I feel like I could throw some stuff out now 1134 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,839 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't need all of this ship, but 1135 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 2: that all it really does get me, like I can't 1136 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:13,920 Speaker 2: regive that depressing. 1137 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: Also, the alcohol gets you unless I don't like anyone. 1138 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, well there's always there's always that well, 1139 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, it is it's hard to do, 1140 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,520 Speaker 1: but I know that when I do it, which is 1141 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,720 Speaker 1: not often, I feel so good. It is like popping, 1142 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,399 Speaker 1: is it a little? It's like so I wouldn't want 1143 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: to do it for other people, like like God bless 1144 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 1: these two women, because that would sound like the worst 1145 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,680 Speaker 1: job ever to me. Oh love. 1146 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,000 Speaker 2: I think if you can make money like helping people 1147 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 2: do something that's going to bring them joy, I think 1148 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,440 Speaker 2: that's the yeah, yeah in theory, but like in practice 1149 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,600 Speaker 2: going through people's stuff, and I can't I just because 1150 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,720 Speaker 2: I can't bear to do my own. 1151 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,360 Speaker 1: So I know it's. 1152 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 2: Also a timing issue like this, there's not a lot 1153 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 2: of time left in the day. 1154 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,040 Speaker 1: Agree, We're busy, We're busy. 1155 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,360 Speaker 2: Jen Fessler, all right, well, I've miss seeing your beautiful 1156 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:00,080 Speaker 2: face today. 1157 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 1: Seeing your beautiful face, yes, but I'm gonna see you're 1158 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,800 Speaker 1: recording separately. 1159 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,799 Speaker 2: But that was great, and uh, I feel like I'm 1160 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,880 Speaker 2: ready to go clean out of closet. 1161 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,920 Speaker 1: But I hope it was helpful to you guys like 1162 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: it was to us. Definitely all right, So until next time, 1163 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:19,879 Speaker 1: two Jersey Jays were out.