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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wow Wow Happy New Year, Caitlin, Happy

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Speaker 1: New Year to you, Jamie. We are in good sorts.

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Speaker 1: As you can tell, We're in good we're in good starts,

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Speaker 1: set a precedent, and what better way to set a

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Speaker 1: But this is ultimately an intellectual endeavor and we're trying

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Speaker 1: to change hearts and minds. Um, Happy New Year, h

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Speaker 1: n y as it were? Oh my gosh, yeah, Um ditto,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm trying to say. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Betel Cast. My name is Jamie Loft Tech, my

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Speaker 1: name is Caitlin Darante, and this is our show where

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Speaker 1: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist end, using the

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Speaker 1: Becktel test simply as a jumping off point to initiate

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Speaker 1: a much larger conversation about representation and such. Of Justin

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Speaker 1: And that's an example of a conversation that would not

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Speaker 1: Please do. It's a media metric created by queer cartoonist

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Speaker 1: turns out to be a high school, and cousin Arthur

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00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: turns out to be a teenager voiced by Justin Timberlake,

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00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: who everyone thinks is a huge loser. Terrible twist. Yeah,

422
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: I also think Justin Timberlake is a huge loser. Same.

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00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: Do you think that David Fincher saw Shrek the Third

424
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: and was like, we gotta put him in the social network? Yes?

425
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: Or now he's got the chops you can do. I

426
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: think I think he saw Black Snake Moan and was like,

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00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: I gotta put him in the social network. I don't

428
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: know if that movie came out before the Social Network,

429
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: but I haven't even seen Black Snake Moan. Is that

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00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: that's Samuel L. Jackson and Christina Ricci right? Yeah? And

431
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: I think, if I'm remembering correctly, Justin Timberlake is also

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00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: in it, or maybe he is. I'm looking at his

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00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: filmography right now. I regret to inform you. Or maybe

434
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: David Fincher saw Southland Tales and was like, I gotta

435
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Speaker 1: put justin Timberlake in the social network. I feel like

436
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: David Fincher did see Southland Tales. That movie sorry for

437
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: anyone who likes it, but I think is the And

438
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: this is not an unpopular opinion, but that movie, in

439
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: my humble opinion, is a turd. Whoa Anyway, I haven't

440
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: seen it, but I just I looked at the poster.

441
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I think David Fincher seen it, but

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00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really know what he's like.

443
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: I'll have to mean text him. He does seem mean,

444
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: but not like funny, mean like James Cameron just mean yeah,

445
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: like do seventy takes until you're crying? Mean yeah, Like

446
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: I like like a like a kuber kind of mean.

447
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Not James Cameron being like if anyone wants my attention

448
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: on set, they have to sound the auga. That's like,

449
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: did you see that? No, Oh my god, that's I'm

450
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm not making that up. That is something that he said.

451
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: He's just like do he's the He's the worst, He's bad,

452
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: and like we could get into that because there's I mean,

453
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: we will when we cover another Titanic episode this year. Actually,

454
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: I think we really should because there's been a discourse

455
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: around Avatar tooth that I feel like it's very much

456
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: worth discussing, even though we just talked about Avatar for

457
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: a very long time with Ali Naddy. But it's just like, okay,

458
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: compartmentalizing my feelings just to share this. The film crew

459
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: on Avatar Way of Water has to play an a

460
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: wuga sound effect of a submarine diving alarm to get

461
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: James Cameron's attention on set. Cameron quote, I don't even

462
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: respond unless they do the auga unquote embarrassing. That's funny,

463
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: mean embarrassing. Yeah, moving on anyway. So Justin is in

464
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: the movie is the point, and we don't love Shrek

465
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: is like, guess what, Arthur your first in line for

466
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: the throne, And so Arthur leaves with Shrek, excited by

467
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 1: the idea of being king. But when Arthur realizes how

468
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: much responsibility it requires, he freaks out and tries to

469
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: turn the ship around because he and Shrek start fighting.

470
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: The ship crashes on an island, where Merlin famously a

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Speaker 1: wizard voiced by which I'm always delighted to see Eric

472
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: Aile but I'm like, oh my god, what is happening there?

473
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: Just the doing back bench to tell me more things

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00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: about masculine responsibility, like shut okay. So Merlin is like Shrek,

475
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to help you until you stop being

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00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: so angry, and then he has all of the characters

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00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: do some soul searching, and Shrek is still clearly anxious

478
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Speaker 1: about being a father. We learned that Arthur was abandoned

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Speaker 1: by his father, and Shrek and Arthur have a heart

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00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: to heart and they are bonding almost as if they

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Speaker 1: are father and son. And but Shrek does say something

482
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: interesting that I think. I was trying to figure out

483
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 1: if there's any way that Shrek the Musical, which is

484
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Speaker 1: my favorite Shrek Shrekian shreky in property, because I believe

485
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: that Shrek the Musical debuts in oh eight, the year

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00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: after this. But I was curious if like this was

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00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: being developed alongside Shrek three, or if like Shrek three

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00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: wasn't able to be like to get into Shrek the

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00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: Musical because they were kind of close together and it

490
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: takes so long to develop a musical. But Shrek does

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Speaker 1: say that his father tried to eat him, yes, when

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00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: he was a little Shrek a Shrek he just hatch

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00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: out of his Shrek and and his father says, I'm

494
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: gonna eat you. That's not good, but I leave. In

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00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: the musical, the way that Shrek's childhood Shrek's childhood trauma

496
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: is actually like a huge plot point and Shrek the Musical,

497
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: and it's why it's the best Shrek. They are examining

498
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 1: Shrek's sensitive side with farts, of course. But what happens

499
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: in Shrek the Musical is that Shrek's parents kick Shrek

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00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: out of their house when he's seven and say, go

501
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: make something of yourself, and you look like shit, and

502
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: like that's kind of They're like, it's going to be

503
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: hard to be an ogre in the world, which is

504
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: why we're kicking you out of our house. Question mark.

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00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: But so he was like badly parented in a different

506
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: way in the musical. Are Shrek's parents also ogres or

507
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: was there like an adoption thing? Okay, So that's why

508
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: it's confusing that they kick him out there like the

509
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: world is hostile and so are we, Like I don't understand,

510
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: but in the musical it's very effective and I feel like, again,

511
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: just another way that Shrek is lazy. He's like, um

512
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: my dad tried to eat me. That won't be coming

513
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: up again. Yeah. The point is, uh, Shrek is now

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00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake's daddy um back in far far away. And

515
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: to be clear, like, and I don't want to speak

516
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: for you, Jamie, but I don't have a problem with

517
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: the idea of a story being about a father son relationship.

518
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: There's nothing inherently wrong with that. And I think there

519
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: should be more stories that at least feature a positive

520
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: and like meaningful story about a father son relationship, because

521
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: so many of the ones that we get on screen

522
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: are actually very toxic relationships, but the movie doesn't present

523
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: them that way. It's just like, yeah, this is how

524
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: fatherhood is or whatever. I am inclined to agree with that.

525
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's like not in first position

526
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: for me. I feel like they've had no people that

527
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot of shots to get it right, and if

528
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: they haven't at this point point, I'm like, well, that's

529
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: none of my business, right, But but I also I

530
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: do agree. I think that there are there are versions

531
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: of this story that have been historically ignored, but unfortunately

532
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: this movie is not doing anything. And when we're coming

533
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: down on like father son movies, which are almost all

534
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, I'm just coming down at the sheer

535
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: volume of them, and they're like, it's I feel like

536
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: it's just like a classically I'm more saying like, and

537
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: there's not a lot else. It's very rare to see

538
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: any other parent child relationship of any sort other than

539
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: fathers and sons because of who's been historically who's been

540
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: historically put first. So I actually am very sick of

541
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: fathers and Sons movies. But if the movie is really good,

542
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: then fine, good for that. But it just this movie.

543
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yes, So back in Far far Away, Charming

544
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: shows up with his army of villains. They storm the castle.

545
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: He claims the throne as his own, and he plans

546
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: to basically kill Shrek and Arthur upon their return. Fiona,

547
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: her mom, and her friends such as snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella,

548
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: and Rapunzel, try to escape, but Rapunzel betrays Fiona because

549
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: she turns out to be Charming's his girlfriend and something

550
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: that they also do basically nothing with. It's yeah, and

551
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: so Charming locks Fiona and the others in the dungeon. Meanwhile,

552
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Merlin uses his magic to transport Shrek, Arthur, Donkey, and

553
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: Puss in boots back too far far away. But also

554
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: during this teleportation Donkey and Puss his bodies are accidentally switched.

555
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: And that's comedy and does that lead anywhere? Of course

556
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: not does about boring jokes? Ye? Yes, So then Shrek

557
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: goes to stop Charming and to save Fiona, but Charming

558
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: captures Shrek and his friends, and this is when Arthur

559
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: finds out that he isn't really next in line to

560
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: be king, that Shrek is, and that Shrek just didn't

561
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: want to do it. And Shrek calls Arthur a fool

562
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: and a loser and tells him to leave, and he's

563
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: really mean. So Arthur does just that, he leaves, and

564
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: it's just and at this point you're really like struggling

565
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: to care. Yeah, I'm like, what's happening? No, justin Timberlake

566
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: has exited the movie, darn uh. So then Charming puts

567
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: on this show. It's similar to the dinner theater show

568
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: we saw him doing at the beginning of the movie

569
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: where he vanquishes an ogre, because Charming's plan is to

570
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: kill Shrek onstage during the show, which is both lazy

571
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: and iconic. I don't hate it, and it plays out,

572
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't decide if I but then I, but then

573
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: I did hate it. As the scene was happening, I'm like,

574
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: this is so ridiculous. Okay, all right, he's gonna kill

575
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: him on stage. Yes. Meanwhile, Fiona and the others break

576
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: out of the dungeon and storm the castle with the

577
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: help of Donkey Post Pinocchio, GINGI the whole gang. Along

578
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: the way, they bump into Arthur and Post some donkey

579
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: tell Arthur that Shrek said all of those mean things

580
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: to protect him so that Charming wouldn't kill Arthur. Cut

581
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: to the play. Charming is about to kill Shrek, but

582
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: Fiona and the other ladies bust into save the day.

583
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: But oh no, I mean there is the classic another

584
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: I think something very shreky in is um a moment

585
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: of woman empowerment that goes nowhere correct a classic shreky

586
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 1: and thing to do. It's like and now it's it's

587
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: the woman is kicking. And now back to your regularly

588
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: scheduled Shrek doing stand up, Like, what the funk was

589
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: that he's doing a tight five? He's he's he's doing

590
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: a roast of Charming. He's in the roast battle, yeah,

591
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: and he won. He won, of course gets safe. Um,

592
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: so Fiona and the other princesses show up to save

593
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: the day, but it doesn't go anywhere, and Charming in

594
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: the villains get the upper hand again, but then Arthur

595
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: shows back up and gives a speech about how they

596
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: don't have to be villains. They can be whoever they

597
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: want to be, because even though everyone might think they're

598
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: a monster, it's about who you think you are. And

599
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: you're like, oh yeah, sort of like exactly what happens

600
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: in Shrek one, but makes less sense, and it's from

601
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: Justin timber Like, I'm so not interested in Justin Timberlake's

602
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: journey towards becoming a diplomat like. But his speech inspires

603
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: the villains to throw down their weapons, but Charming isn't

604
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: having it, and he tries to kill Shrek. But then

605
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: Charming gets crushed by a tower and presumably killed, And

606
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: then Arthur takes the crown and accept his role as king.

607
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Then Merlin switches Donkey and puts

608
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: back in their rightful bodies, and then we cut back

609
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: to the swamp where Fiona has three little shreds and

610
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: they've hatched, They've hatched out of their out of their

611
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: Shrek eggs, and Shrek is good daddy and Fiona is

612
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: a good mummy and and they have a nice ogre

613
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: family the end. Yea, I love that. Yeah, so let's

614
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: take a quick break and come back to discuss and

615
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: we're back. Yeah, yeah, what shall we talk about first? Well,

616
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 1: I feel like we actually have um touched on quite

617
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: a bit of stuff already, I think, I mean, but

618
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: let's I guess close the loop on the every movie

619
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: is about fathers and sons thing I do stand by

620
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: way I said, And I feel like this movie is

621
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: kind of a classic example of why that can be

622
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: so frustrating, because it's like, I just feel like there's

623
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: so many more interesting parent child dynamics in this movie

624
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: that to some extent it is supposed to be about

625
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: parental anxiety, and like, I just think it's really, um,

626
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: it was a huge missed opportunity. And and you know,

627
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: I guess missing an opportunity is very shreky in in

628
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: a way, UM true to say something impactful, UM, but

629
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: introducing a new character instead of like focusing on the

630
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: characters we have just felt like a huge mistake because

631
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: it's like, not that I want Direct the Third to

632
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: be about grieving a parent, but it's I just like

633
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: I truly was baffled, and I feel like it really

634
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: spoke to how poorly Fiona has been characterized historically and

635
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: really reminded me about how it took five white guys

636
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: to write this story that we are given like a

637
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: really strong thread that should be playing into the whole movie.

638
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: At the very beginning, Fiona's father dies. Is it funny

639
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: when he dies? Yes, I kind of like the frog bit,

640
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 1: Oh he's not dead yet. It went on for so long.

641
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: I was so over it after the first time, I

642
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: was over it because I was feeling for Fiona. But

643
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: I do think that the few people I've told I

644
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: was watching Shrek the Third, that scene is the only

645
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: thing anyone remembers there, Like, is that the one where

646
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: the frog dies and it takes a long time like shocking?

647
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: But yes, yes, But yeah, I just like that's like

648
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: a really strong thread and it's not called back to

649
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: at all like Fiona. I feel like it's it's so

650
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: it ties into like a huge issue with Fiona in

651
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: this or just like a very heavily gendered trope in

652
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: this where it's like it's never considered that Fiona might

653
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: have anxieties about becoming a parent, Like that's such so

654
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: part and parcel too, like lazy motherhood narratives that are

655
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: generally written by not mothers, where it's like, oh, well, yes,

656
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: it is her feminine duty not only to want to

657
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: get pregnant but not have a single worry in the

658
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: world about the little shregs um like nothing nothing, nothing, nothing,

659
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: And the fact that she has just lost her parents

660
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: would be another sort of way into exploring that anxiety

661
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: of like what was her elthood? Like does she have

662
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: any anxieties about like her children being a part of

663
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: this like royal fucking mess? Does she have anxieties about

664
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: shreks ability to parent? Is there? Like there's just like

665
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: so like a ten year old could come up with

666
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of different ways for Fiona to be more

667
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: active within this story, and it's just like completely ignored

668
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: so aggressively that they feel they need to introduce a

669
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: character that no one cares about in order to like

670
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: get Shrek to the same place, but like in a

671
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: worst less effective way, like she's right there. I feel

672
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: like that's every shruck discussion. Like Fiona is right there,

673
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: she has the narrative thrust. Why can't she fucking like

674
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: have us an actual story and not just like and

675
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: to the point where, like when she comes out and

676
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: I forgot that there was like the princess fight scene,

677
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: and I guess, like theoretically, like that's better than nothing,

678
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: but I was actually really annoyed by it because it

679
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: was just like, Oh, cool, You're going to do the

680
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: one thing Fiona is ever allowed to do, which is

681
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: one fight scene per movie. But it's like, even that's

682
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: fucking lazy at this point because it's not really leading

683
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: anywhere and she still doesn't get to do anything, Like

684
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: I just for sure. Yeah, just touching a little bit

685
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: more on the like parenthood through line of the movie,

686
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: reiterating how easy of a choice it is to put

687
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: the woman in the role of being so hyper enthusiastic

688
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: about becoming apparent to the point where she has seemingly

689
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: no anxieties, no hesitations, nothing like that, because I think

690
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: it's like leaning into this trope of like women are

691
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: quote unquote baby crazy, whereas men are so often presented

692
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: in media as being extremely reluctant about becoming a father

693
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: because they think it's gonna like, I don't know, ruin

694
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: his life or something, as if to say in hetero couples,

695
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: women don't experience like doubt and apprehension about becoming a parent,

696
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: and that men don't experience enthusiasm when we know that

697
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: the full range of emotion is available to people of

698
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: all genders as it relates to parenthood and everything in

699
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: the world. Right like it it's not like we're even saying,

700
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, like this is not like a woman never

701
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: has never felt this way about parenting, and a man

702
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: has never felt this way about parenting. Obviously, Like tropes

703
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: don't come from nowhere. We're not saying that no one's

704
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: ever reacted this way to a Gregnancy or even a shregnancy,

705
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: but it is so so done to fun and death

706
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: and I and I think it's like this is something

707
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: that always kind of bugs me about the Trek movies.

708
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: It's like they're so aggressively marketed as like an alternative

709
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: to like the tropes that you're used to, but it's

710
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: like very much not like lean yeah, in terms of

711
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: its values. I feel like the first one is like

712
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: the closest to actually subverting something and like, you know,

713
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: like with beauty is more than how you appear, and

714
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: like all that stuff like that felt genuinely subversive for

715
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: a kid's movie, But by the time they get to

716
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: the third one, it's like it's just like no one's

717
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: even trying. It bums me out. And it's because I

718
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: do think that Fiona is an awesome character. She's awesome,

719
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: and like I felt like she was disrespected in the

720
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: second one because they literally try to like roofy her,

721
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: and then in the third one it's even worse. They

722
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: Like I was glad that at least we I don't know.

723
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: There's like large chunks of this movie where she's completely

724
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: absent because shreks going off on a quest with Donkey

725
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: and Puss in boots, and we only cut back to

726
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: her to see her baby shower, like, which again is

727
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: just so lazy and gendered. It's so and it also

728
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: is my impression of that scene. I've been to. I've

729
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: been a many many baby showers. I love being an auntie.

730
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: It very much read to me as like five men

731
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: trying to imagine what a baby shower would be like,

732
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, it's just women insulting each other

733
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: and giving each other gifts, and like it's so it's

734
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: so lazy that I didn't play any games. No one

735
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: had a like all the princesses, the way they're characterized,

736
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: they're basically indistinguishable from each other because they're all character

737
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: I think the subversion that they're making is like they're

738
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: actually vapid, evil bitches. Isn't that funny? And you're like, no,

739
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: why are Fiona's friends mean? Like I hate it? And

740
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: also shouldn't we cut back to a scene where like

741
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: Fiona is making choices about the kingdom like she is

742
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: right now the de facto leader of the kingdom, Like, yeah,

743
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't we see here be doing stuff? You know? Not

744
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: that again, not that we're pro monarchy here, but like

745
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: even so, but the movie is so like so like,

746
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: can she do something? Cold? You do something? I felt

747
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: the same way about. Queen is a Queen Gertrude? Get

748
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: that right, Fiona's mom? Yes, I don't know. Queen Lilian.

749
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: Queen Lilian, Oh my god, I'm so why did I

750
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: say Queen Gertrude? I think it's literally from Hamlet. I'm sorry,

751
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm so smart um, so, okay, Queen Lilian, I feel

752
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: like she again was just like not she was a

753
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: bigger part of Shrek to than she is Shrek the Third.

754
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: But again, you have like a really really strong like

755
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: I would totally understand if like a Shrek movie doesn't

756
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: really want to explore grief. Fine, it's for eight year

757
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: old I get it. But even if you take that

758
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: out of the equation, why isn't Queen Like? It just

759
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: feels like theoretically, because I don't there should be like

760
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: some little snappy little title for whatever this this trope is.

761
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: And I feel like it is really like thriving around

762
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: this time where it's like the character has all of

763
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: the trappings of a quote unquote strong female character, but

764
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: it means nothing. It's like strictly symbolic because it never

765
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: has any bearing on the plot, and they'll always sort

766
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: of go towards the traditional feminine expectations, but sometimes they

767
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: get to kick right, but they're not really subverting anything.

768
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: And I feel like Queen Lillian is the same thing

769
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: where it's like she gets her like fighting girl Boss

770
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: moment where she like slams her head against the wall

771
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: and the walm brakes great love that, but like, why

772
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: can't I don't know. It's like Lillian and Fiona are

773
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: We're told repeatedly, these are empowered women, these are strong

774
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: female characters, but it's never brought up between the two

775
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: of them. Why couldn't one of us? Like why not

776
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: Queen Lilian? Why is she like disqualified? What are the

777
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: rules of this monarchy? Like? It never comes up that

778
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: she would have any interest in like but we're told

779
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: she's like this girl boss, but she has no interest

780
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: in the boss portion. It just doesn't make sense to

781
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: me here, it doesn't make sense. Here's a pitch for

782
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: a snappy name. Yeah for this trope, because these characters

783
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: are so or because it's like presentation of like quote

784
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: unquote girl power is very hollow and never like leads

785
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: to anything. What if it's hollow? Holly, thank you, thank

786
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: you so much? Oh my gosh, cheers, applause. Wow, people

787
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: are getting out. I'm screaming, crying. Anyway, Jo had an orgasm. Um,

788
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: I'll keep work shopping it. But I think that's kind

789
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: of perfect. I feel like a hollow. That's a strong hollow, hollow.

790
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. Listeners sound off, What the funk?

791
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: Or maybe someone has already like attributed a label to

792
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: this and we just haven't heard about it, but like

793
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: because we have been, you know, it's like it like

794
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: ties into like you're just saying like girl power feminism,

795
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: where it's insisting that it's really subversive feminist thing, but

796
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: it's falling into traditional values pretty cleanly at the end

797
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: of the day. But they're allowed to say one swear

798
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: or something. Um, yeah, it's very symbolic hollow pepe poop

799
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: who I don't like it, and that's my pitch. Um

800
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: I love that too, but yeah, I just was really

801
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: frustrated by like you know, and and and to the

802
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: point where it's like Queen Lilian and Fionna are like

803
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: standing in the background of a lot of these scenes

804
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: and they never say anything. It's really frustrating. I want

805
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: to go through beat by beat as far as what

806
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: happens with Fiona as they're like escaping the castle and

807
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: like doing this like again quote unquote girl power part

808
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: of the story. So Charming breaks into the castle, Fiona

809
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: takes initiatives. She leads the other women to safety, which

810
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: include snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and Rapunzel, who are

811
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: four of the most damseled characters in fairy tale lore,

812
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: which will come back in a moment, and then also

813
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: an ugly step sister and an ugly sub sec and

814
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: Fiona's mom. Yes, yeah, and I do feel like that.

815
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if if Shrek is the first franchise

816
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: to do this, but like that has been. It feels

817
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: this actually feels quite shreky in. I don't like how

818
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: they're like, let's create an alternative to the aggressively damseled

819
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: characters by making them horrible. Like that just felt like

820
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: there's so many ways to do that. Why would you

821
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: choose that direction? Whatever, that's the creative choice they made,

822
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: and I don't have to like it, um, but um,

823
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: I feel like that is like very shreky in, because

824
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: that's why the movies exist, is to like make fun

825
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: of disney Ship, because it started with Jeffrey Katzenberg wanting

826
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: to spite Disney. So it's like that is the formula

827
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: of like find Disney tropes and then put them on

828
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: their head, even if you're making it bad in a

829
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: different way. So that feels very in line with the

830
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: shreky In stuff. And then that's like kind of weirdly

831
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: like something that Disney also starts to do, because that

832
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: that whole sequence where my to me of like the

833
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: wreck it Ralph thing where it's like the Disney princesses

834
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: appear as themselves, but now they're like different, and it's

835
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: like it's Shrek's impact. Look, Shrek the Third not very good,

836
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: but Shrek's impact really kind of culturally cannot be overstated

837
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: because it's like Shrek did so well at making fun

838
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: of Disney that Disney had no choice but to make

839
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: fun of Disney, and that really makes you think, Wow,

840
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: the shreky and impact on the world is palpable. It's

841
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: like I can smell it. Um. Okay, so we've got

842
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: this this group of women. Fiona is leading them to safety.

843
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: We see that scene in the dark Corridor where the

844
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: princesses are bickering. They seem to be jealous of each

845
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: other's beauty. Fiona's mom even has to say, like, let

846
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: go of your petty complaints and let's work together. Fiona

847
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: leaves them out of the castle and that seems like

848
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: they're safe until Rapunzel betrays them and the rest of

849
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: them are captured and thrown in the dungeon. And then

850
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: Fiona is like, we need to find a way out,

851
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: but she only says that after she learns that, like

852
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: Shrek is in danger, So like why wouldn't she try

853
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: to like be more adamant about escaping just because they're

854
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: locked in a dungeon. But it's not until she was like,

855
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, my husband and my husband, I have

856
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: to get out now. I don't know, like I truly

857
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: think that, Like Fiona's plotline is like comically underthought, like

858
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: truly her mote like it just this is like a

859
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: bizarre gripe, but just like another way where I'm just

860
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: like wow, like the guy's writing this movie. It's just

861
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: like Fiona is having a baby shower, it seems like.

862
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: And then which made me ask myself, how long has

863
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: Shrek been gone? If we're to believe that, like Fiona

864
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: has basically the gestation period of a human, which I

865
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: think she went because she was human for a very

866
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: long time. But also I don't know, I don't know

867
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: how that works, right, But it's like a shark ban

868
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: gone for six months, Like baby showers generally don't happen

869
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: until pretty far into the pregnancy to the shregnancy yeah,

870
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: the shregnancy. But again, it's just like these are just

871
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: not things that the writers know or care about, or like,

872
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: her motivation from scene to scene makes no sense. It's

873
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: just like it feels like they are like, Okay, there's

874
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: a scene where she's kicking, and we can call it

875
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: a day. I found that her bringing her friends and

876
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: mother to safety to be the most effective motivated Fiona

877
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: moment because it didn't feel forced. All the other stuff forced.

878
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, as we've said, goes nowhere because what happens.

879
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: So she's like, we need to escape. And then the

880
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: other princess is the very traditionally damse old ones assume

881
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: the position of waiting to be rescued by a man,

882
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: and Fiona is like, what are you doing? And they're like,

883
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: we're waiting around to be rescued, and snow White says

884
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: something like, you know, we're just a bunch of hot

885
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: princesses and a pregnant ogre and an old lady, like

886
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: what are we supposed to do? And that's when Fiona's

887
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 1: mom is like bashes her head against two stone walls

888
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: to break them down, and you know, Fiona is like,

889
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna take care of business, we're gonna actively do something,

890
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: and that's when we have this like quote unquote girl

891
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: power montage where they're like tearing their dresses to make

892
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: them easier to move around. In Cinderella is like sharpening

893
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: her glass slipper, there's like a bra burning moment, which

894
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: is like when you think about what that's symbolic of, right,

895
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: I again, you're like, I mean, I guess it's very

896
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: shrekky and to present an empty reference that makes no

897
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: sense within the story. So I sure, but yeah, I mean, well,

898
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: brad branding is like a whole other thing because like

899
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: that that's like a cultural myths like I didn't even

900
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: but didn't happen, but not that five white guys in

901
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: a room would know that. I'm sure they're like, oh,

902
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: that definitely happened, and that meant that they're like, um,

903
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,439
Speaker 1: girl power, feminism. What does it look like they burn

904
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: a bra? Okay, let's put that in the movie. Done, done, done,

905
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: write it down like it's it's so yeah, it's just

906
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: like really really um lazy easy lazy lazy doesn't make sense.

907
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: Then the women storm the castle and fight, using their

908
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: specific skills to the best of their ability. I guess

909
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: in terms of like didn't hate it, Yeah, because it's

910
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: like snow snow White uses the animals. Yeah, she summons

911
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of woodland critters and has them attacked the guards.

912
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: Cinderella uses her glass slipper as a weapon. Sleeping Beauty

913
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: passes out and trips some people with her body, and

914
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 1: then they all invade the castle during Charming's show, and

915
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: Fiona's like, Shrek, I'm here to save you. But then

916
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: Fiona is immediately tied up and damseled. It's up to right,

917
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: and so it's up to Shrek to like fight the villain,

918
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: and then it ends up being Dragon, who was also

919
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: basically written out of the movie, who swoops in and

920
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: lands the killing blow by knocking a tower over onto Charming. Right,

921
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: So not that she gets any like recognition for doing that,

922
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: because she's really like mommyfied by this story as well,

923
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: where like she's basically only mommy, Like she's she's now

924
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: mommy to bananas, Yes, bananas the donkey Dragon, which and

925
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that, but it's like, yeah, it's

926
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: I feel like it is a very tropy thing. I know,

927
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: it's a very tropy thing that once a character is

928
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: a mother. They are like and that's the whole character. Now,

929
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: mother could not possibly have another facet to their life,

930
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: and that is very much what happens to Dragon, and

931
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: then it's eventually what happens to Fiona. And don't we

932
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: love that? We do not? Um. Yeah, Ultimately it's the

933
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: veil or like the facade of women being empowered and

934
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: like doing something, having some agency, but it's all extremely

935
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: hollow because when the moment comes where they can actually

936
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: like affect the story in some significant way, such as

937
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: Fiona saving Shrek, that doesn't happen. She's tied up, she's

938
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: damned old. So just it's like super empty. It's just

939
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: a facade of empowerment for women and nothing actually meaningful

940
01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: or real. Yeah, I feel the same way. Yeah, it's

941
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: it's a bummer. I do think that, Like, you know,

942
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: this movie came out in two thousand seven, and I

943
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: think if it was made today that would be less

944
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: of an issue. I do feel like children and maybe

945
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but like I think the

946
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: kids movies specifically have come a very very long way

947
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: and they last like fifteen to twenty years, and I

948
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: think like more so than a lot of genres for adults. Like,

949
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: I think it's come further than rom coms. It's come

950
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: further than action movies. I think, honestly, if I'm poking

951
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: a little fun at current movie tropes, if this movie

952
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: came out today, it would be about Shrek's childhood trauma,

953
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: and it would be about Fiona's childhood trauma, and it

954
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: would be beautiful and it would make us cry. And

955
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: that's why I'm excited for Shrek five. Um. But but yeah,

956
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: like I think that like this era is, it's so

957
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: bizarre and it makes you feel like you me much

958
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,439
Speaker 1: like Queen Lilian and banging my head against a wall.

959
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,959
Speaker 1: But the wall is not breaking. It remains much the same.

960
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: Because you're telling me that this is an empowered female character.

961
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: But then, but that's not what's happening. Um. But you know,

962
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: I think that I don't know, there's there's better Shreks ahead.

963
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: I can feel it. I can just feel hello, oh

964
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: my god, and that I shouldn't have said that. Yeah,

965
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: there's an emergency happen anyway. Don't get this out of

966
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: the It's an emergency. Everyone's getting scary set of Shrek

967
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: five because we're going to add a female character. Oh

968
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: my god, because Shrek five there's a set. Because Shrek

969
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: five is live action, they're doing it's Brian Darcy James

970
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: and Sutton Foster don't the musical um and it looks normal.

971
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,959
Speaker 1: It doesn't look scary. Okay, So did you have anything

972
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: else to say about the hollow feminism of this movie? No,

973
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, We've we've talked about this

974
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: before in Shrek episodes. There are so many of the

975
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: era UM I wasn't picking up on quite as many

976
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: um gay jokes in this one. I think that there

977
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: was a queer coded stylist, which we've seen a million times.

978
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: It was very lazy troupe. But the Shrek franchise, especially

979
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: in earlier installments, excuse transphobic like all the time. And

980
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: it's tricky because it's like, I don't know how the

981
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: ugly step sisters are. I mean, they're coded as like

982
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: looking more masculine, and therefore they are ugly, like they

983
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: have masculine features, and so they're ugly and are voiced

984
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: by male voice actors exactly, and not just male voice actors.

985
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I'm getting this right.

986
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: Their voice by Larry King, and we just filled in

987
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: I did not recognize those voices, and so you're like,

988
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: and why on earth is that? I Like? I just

989
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: was like, well, like, for what I mean? I don't

990
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: think that this movie is as aggressively transphobic as the

991
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: first movie, and not as aggressively transphobic as Shrek the Musical,

992
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: which had to have several lines removed um for subsequent productions,

993
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: which I think we've talked about on the show before,

994
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: and Shrek two. This was a big part of our

995
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: discussion because Shrek two is still leaning into a lot

996
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: of very transphobic gender normative jokes, and because this is

997
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: a sidebar, but because Shrek three is called Shrek the Third,

998
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: I think Shrek two should have been called Shrek Jr.

999
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: It's only right. But we can move on from that. Um.

1000
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: But yes, want bananas did get his own movie off manners. Um, Okay, No,

1001
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: but I I think it's it's I think frustrating that,

1002
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: from what I can remember, is the least transphobic Shrek

1003
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: movie and it's still pretty transphobic. Yes, and indeed, um,

1004
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: And it's baffling to me that in a movie franchise

1005
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: that's all about beauty is found within that being the

1006
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: sorry to say thrust again, but being the thrust of

1007
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: the narrative. Do not just don't include characters from literature

1008
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: who are called the ugly step sisters because like or

1009
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: if you're going to include them, subvert like you know,

1010
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: subvert that or like anything, just do something. But because

1011
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: these ugly subsister characters are presented as not conforming to

1012
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: rigid Western beauty standards, and it seems like the intention

1013
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 1: of the joke is something along the lines of these

1014
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: women are masculine and therefore ugly, right, horrible statement to

1015
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: make in any movie, but especially when targeted towards children,

1016
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:14,479
Speaker 1: And why include about accepting yourself? Yeah, it's so it's

1017
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: just like these movies are like it's very shriky and

1018
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: for something to mean nothing because yeah, I was really

1019
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: I was really frustrated about that. It's so like, I

1020
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: guess I apologize if if we're not like having the

1021
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: conversation that deserves if we had about like transphobia inside

1022
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: of this franchise, this one for me famously uh this

1023
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: person with one brain cell. So but like there was

1024
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: so much like weird coding that it was like difficult

1025
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: to like, there wasn't an outright like the characters were

1026
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: not never declared to be anything, but uh, this woman.

1027
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: But like because of all these creative choices, you're like,

1028
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: the coding is there, the coding is for sure, they

1029
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: absolutely and like I just yeah, it's just so fucking

1030
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: ridiculous that. Yeah, like you're totally right that this franchise specifically,

1031
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: it's just nothing means anything. No, Nope, this is a sidebar.

1032
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: But like, also, why do people want Prince Charming to

1033
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: come back? I couldn't stand him in the last movie.

1034
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: Why is he back? I don't because they need a villain.

1035
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you know who should be back? More

1036
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: is Dragon again basically written out of this movie. This

1037
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: was also part of our discussion on the Shrek two

1038
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: episode where she's not in the movie because someone, maybe Fiona,

1039
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: is like, hey, Donkey, where's Dragon And he says, oh,

1040
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: she's really moody, So I'm like distancing myself from her.

1041
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: She's on her Dragon period, so you're just like, oh

1042
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: my god. In this one, when Donkey is about to

1043
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: embark on his ernie with Shrek, Dragon is there with

1044
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: their five babies, and Donkey says something like, oh, yeah,

1045
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave either, but you know, Shrek

1046
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: he needs me. So Donkey is just like leaving Dragon

1047
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: with their many babies. He's shreking his parental responsibilities. Well,

1048
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: I will say I think that Donkey appears to be

1049
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: a good parent, which that is, he's very nurturing, he

1050
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: seems supportive and loving. Yeah, I think it is like, again,

1051
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: very trophy and shitty that it's like, well, the father

1052
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: needs to go on a quest and like the stay

1053
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 1: at home. I don't think it's even bad that Donkey

1054
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 1: goes on a quest, but it's like, well, but we're

1055
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: never going to see that in the reverse in these movies,

1056
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: and that is more the issue. I was happy that

1057
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: he that Donkey was enthusiastic about parenthood in opposition to Shrek,

1058
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: and I was happy that he was excited to be

1059
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: an uncle. Like I have no real issue with Donkey

1060
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: in this movie, and that's partially because he doesn't really

1061
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: do anything. He see Shrek's dick. That's that's the last

1062
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: thing that happens before the title sequence. This is very true.

1063
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: I also found it fascinating that so there's a moment

1064
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: where Pus starts explaining sex to Shrek to be like,

1065
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: this is how babies are made, and Shrek is like, yeah,

1066
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: I know, because Shrek Fox, this is canon. We know this. Yeah,

1067
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: but he sucked his wife raw the day her father died. Yes,

1068
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: he's serious. Yeah, grow up people, and that's cannon Like

1069
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: put it on the Wikipedia page, Shreck, if you had

1070
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: a fun immediately after receiving the news of the death

1071
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: of her father. It's how they blow off steam, and

1072
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: you're rude to judge them for it. It was making love.

1073
01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: It's not weird anyway. Okay, So so grief can look

1074
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: like anything. So pusses explaining sex and Shrek is like,

1075
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: I know. But then Donkey is like, wait, how does

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01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: it work, as if Donkey doesn't understand sex or like

1077
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: conceiving of babies. Meanwhile, Donkey is the father of five children,

1078
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: so he presumably had sex. It does appear again, this

1079
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: is a very like it appears that Donkey's kids are

1080
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: all the same age, which and and Shrek eventually has

1081
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: I think triplets, which leads me to another thing that

1082
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: happens when five straight white guys write a movie together,

1083
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: which is that they seem to believe that women give

1084
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: birth in litters like like cats and dogs and um,

1085
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: and I celebrate that that is a level of not knowing.

1086
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have to assume because they're all like

1087
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: in their thirties and forties, statistically probably one of them

1088
01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: is a parent, And like, how could you still say that? Um,

1089
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: it's really bizarre. No, not sure. No person with the

1090
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: womb gives for the gist. One. It's a bunch, it's

1091
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: a son of children. It's a heap what I will say.

1092
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: Going back quickly to the very like trophy gendered way

1093
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:26,520
Speaker 1: in which the like Shrek and Fiona, parenthood storyline is represented,

1094
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: I did appreciate that the story takes it in the

1095
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: direction of Shrek not being worried about his life being ruined,

1096
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: because I think so much of that like trophy narrative

1097
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: is like, oh, you know, I don't want to get

1098
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: married to some ball and chain, I don't want to

1099
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: have kids. They're just gonna drag me down and not

1100
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 1: let me live my like whatever dick swinging lifestyle I

1101
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 1: want to live. But I at least appreciate that Shrek

1102
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: is like, I'm not worried about my life being ruined.

1103
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm worried about not being a good parent and that

1104
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to like mess up my kids, right. But

1105
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: his reasoning is, you know, ogres are not known for

1106
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: being sweet, nurturing caregivers. But the whole premise of the

1107
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: movie is that ogres are misunderstood and they are vilified

1108
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: for no reason and all these things. So it's curious

1109
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: why he I mean, I get why he's still why

1110
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: he thinks that, And again, I understand apprehension and reluctance

1111
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: as it relates to parenting. This is something though, that

1112
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: people of all genders experience, which we've talked about. But

1113
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, again, it's like, it's not it's the

1114
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: same thing with um with Donkey going on a quest,

1115
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: It's not The issue isn't that he goes on a quest.

1116
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: The issue is that Dragon. It would never happen that

1117
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: Dragon would go on a quest. It's not an issue

1118
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: that Shrek has anxieties about what kind of parents he

1119
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: is going to be. Is that the franchise would never

1120
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: let Fiona have those same anxieties. It's an equitable environment

1121
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:07,480
Speaker 1: for storytelling exactly. The final thing I want to say

1122
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 1: is that Ginger there's a scene where he is scared,

1123
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: surrounded by villains with weapons, and Gingi poops and what

1124
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: Gingi poops out is a little purple gum drop which

1125
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: is identical to the two purple gum drops on his chest.

1126
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: Does that mean that Gingy wears his own poop on

1127
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: his chest as nipples as two vertical nipples or or

1128
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:47,440
Speaker 1: does he poop nipples? WHOA? Okay, these are some interesting

1129
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: thoughts that we have posited. Yes, don't rule it out.

1130
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot to think about. Okay, this is

1131
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe this is our new scabs dry scabs.

1132
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: Does Gingie poop nipples? Or does he wear his ship

1133
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: as nipples? It's a good questions, a valid question. Did

1134
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: Shrek and Fiona actually we answer that question? Yes, And

1135
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: there's a tape. I've seen the tape. Have you ever

1136
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 1: seen the Colin Ferrell sex tape? Because I have no,

1137
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one. It's good. Oh okay, nice. Well,

1138
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: I guess you can leave that in the episode or not,

1139
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: and I guess I'll just be surprised. All right, Okay, um,

1140
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: do you have anything else you want to say? Let

1141
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: me see what else? I mean? I think that like

1142
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: there's probably more to, oh, I guess um, Merlin. I

1143
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: feel like there's a bunch of like very of the

1144
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: time mental health jokes made around Merlin, where the Justin

1145
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: Timberlake character is like, oh, yeah, they sent Merlin out

1146
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: here after he had a mental breakdown, and it's like

1147
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: Merlin is using like mental health terms and Shrek is

1148
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: like shut up, Like but then he's also using extremely

1149
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: ablest language and a few examples, and he's also with

1150
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: that he's insulting other characters for their struggles with mental health.

1151
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, like what Merlin does

1152
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: is helpful in like further characterizing Justin Timberlake. But then

1153
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: once Justin Timberlake uses the mental health exercise that Merlin

1154
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: has him do, Merlin is then like you're a basket case.

1155
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, which like, oh gosh,

1156
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 1: And all that happens there is that we learned that

1157
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: Arthur has abandonment issues because he was abandoned by his father.

1158
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: Of course that would lead to trauma for a person.

1159
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, for Merlin to be like, Wow, what a nutcase,

1160
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: And then it's so ridiculous. I really can't stand it.

1161
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: Shrek the third, it's a stinky more like Shrek the Third.

1162
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: But is it more Shrek than nipples? We don't know.

1163
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: I think I smell some new merch coming. I think

1164
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: I smell some nipples. I oh god, no one wants

1165
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: that merch, Caitlin, Um oh subverse Okay, I did say

1166
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: subversion a plot Warlock, because we usually have plot witches

1167
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: a plot witch, but this time it's get Wizard, so

1168
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't do anything, but it is something that happened. Um.

1169
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: And then I think. My last thought on this one

1170
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: is that this movie convinced me that Fiona would be

1171
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 1: not unreasonable to leave Shrek. I agree, Yeah, because if

1172
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm Fiona and my husband doesn't even say, doesn't even say, well,

1173
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: you could do the job, because she we've just seen

1174
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: a whole montage where she's doing the job better than him.

1175
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: It's her family. Yeah, if I'm married to someone that

1176
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't even occur to them. They would rather go

1177
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 1: on a quest and bring back justin timber Lake, then

1178
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: suggest that I could do a job that I had

1179
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: been doing to some extent for a huge chunk of

1180
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: my life. I would not stay with that ogre. Yeah,

1181
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I think that, and I certainly wouldn't let

1182
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: them intred nate me. And that's and that's my feminism. Yeah,

1183
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: I want to be with someone who tells me I

1184
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: can do it a job, nothing else. Brave of you. Um,

1185
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: thank you. Some people will say that's extreme, not me.

1186
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: I support it, thank you. At the end of the day,

1187
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: Shrek and Shreky in properties, I think they are being subversive.

1188
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: But now that we've covered three Shrek movies, and you

1189
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: better believe we're gonna at some point cover Shrek four

1190
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 1: and make no mistake, we're still absolutely wild about this

1191
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: franchise in spite of only really having negative things to

1192
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: say about it. Um, it's hard to explain. You wouldn't understand.

1193
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was that was needlessly combative. You might

1194
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: understand that people have been listening to this show for

1195
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: seven years. You wouldn't understand. I bet there are a

1196
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: lot of people who would understand. I think I think so,

1197
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry I came in too hot and I

1198
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 1: shouldn't have. I'm going to issue a notes ap apology

1199
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: for coming in too hot on the strike the third episode.

1200
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: I already forgive you, Jamie, but um, the point is

1201
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: to be Shreky and is to be subversive, but not

1202
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: but never in quite the right ways, never in ways

1203
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: that are actually commenting on things, or like championing marginalized people,

1204
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: or are using effective comedy things like that, except for

1205
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: the frog thing, which apparently really stuck with general audiences. Yeah,

1206
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: I did kind of. So right after the frog King

1207
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: dies there's a like kind of funeral procession scene where

1208
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: it's like raining and dark and sad and some is

1209
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: playing and I did. I was like, damn, that is

1210
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: sad about that king. It was pretty Yeah, And again,

1211
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: like we were saying at the beginning of the episode,

1212
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: that could have been and you can kid the movie

1213
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: if I this Pixar movies exist, you know, like not

1214
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: that I want Shrek to be a Pixar movie. That

1215
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: would be so fun. Actually yeah, I actually don't want to,

1216
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't really want Shrek to plumb the depths really,

1217
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 1: but like if you're going to have that whole funeral scene,

1218
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: you can't like never bring that up again. Like Fiona

1219
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: has lost her father, who we know because of Shrek too.

1220
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: She is a very complicated relationship with there's a whole

1221
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: like a huge chunk of Shrek two as about her

1222
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: father being convinced by the evil fairy Prince Charming's mother,

1223
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: the fairy Godmother, to force his daughter to change species again.

1224
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: And then like they find out at the end of

1225
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,799
Speaker 1: that movie that they have this commonality where her father's

1226
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: a frog. Okay, I just I'm sounding too serious for

1227
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: the sentences I'm saying, no, no, no, no, keep going.

1228
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: Her father's a frog, Fianna is an ogre. They choose

1229
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: to stay in their natural forms. They don't want to conform, right,

1230
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: This is a huge thing they have in common. And

1231
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: it was a hard one thing for her dad to

1232
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,679
Speaker 1: be able to admit that about himself. And I believe,

1233
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 1: if I'm remembering correctly, he owes a lot of his

1234
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: willingness to be in his natural form to seeing how

1235
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: happy his daughter is in her natural form. So it's

1236
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: like it's a whole like I mean, and Shrek two

1237
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: is like not good, but you have all that fucking raw,

1238
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: grizzly material and then you kill that character and the

1239
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: first ten minutes after this huge arc between them and

1240
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: she's like two seconds later it's like, well I'm gregnant now,

1241
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's like Fiona is always treated like

1242
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: only one thing can be happening with her. Um. That

1243
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: is not how Strek is treated. He's struggling with a

1244
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: bunch of different things that wants, and he's on a

1245
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: quest and he's da dada like. He's allowed to be

1246
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: very kind of multi. Yeah, yeah, he can have more

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Speaker 1: than one thing going on at one time. But it's

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Speaker 1: like Fiona can't be grieving and shregnant and interested in

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Speaker 1: having a job. That would be too much. It's too

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Speaker 1: much to ask for. I just you know. And the

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Speaker 1: movie is only like two minutes long. There was room

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Speaker 1: ten minute long credit. Are you joking, babe? It's I

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Speaker 1: mean not that I'm gonna knock a movie for being

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Speaker 1: eighty two minutes long. That's iconic. I love it. Please

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Speaker 1: let there be more short movies. But yeah, that's to say,

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Speaker 1: make it ninety minutes and give Fiona or cut out

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Speaker 1: just a differently. I don't, Okay, we gotta get out

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Speaker 1: of here. We gotta get out of here. You might leave.

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Speaker 1: It passes the Bechtel test. It does pass when the

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Speaker 1: princesses are insulting each other incessantly, and it does pass

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Speaker 1: um when they are I believe, when they are planning

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Speaker 1: the the attack, it does also pass, so there's I

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Speaker 1: would say most of the passes are frustrating because it's

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Speaker 1: like women insulting each other at very gendered events in

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Speaker 1: very gendered ways like oh, you're not prettier, I'm prettier.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, we are always saying that to each other,

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Speaker 1: and that is true. I'm popping out shreds like a

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Speaker 1: T shirt gun at a basketball game. So you know,

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Speaker 1: like it passes the battle test. But the one true metric, yes,

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Speaker 1: oh my god. And now is it the nipple scale

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Speaker 1: or is it the ship drop ship scale? Hard to say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so our nipple scale or the scale formerly known as

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Speaker 1: the nipple scale the artists formerly known scale zero to

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Speaker 1: five nipples. Examining the movie through an intersectional feminist lenses,

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Speaker 1: I would give Struck the third. I would give it

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Speaker 1: a half nipple, just in case there are like small

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Speaker 1: children out there, maybe little girls who saw that sequence

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Speaker 1: where it is a very hollow girl power sequence or

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Speaker 1: it ends up being hollow because it doesn't lead to

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Speaker 1: any thing really, But in two thousand seven, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like in two thousand and seven that the pickens

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Speaker 1: are slam and maybe you know, yeah, if you've if

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Speaker 1: you found it, I powering more power to you and

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Speaker 1: you've got better options now I agree with you there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so just for that like little sliver of something that

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Speaker 1: could be empowering for viewers, I will give it a

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Speaker 1: half nipple. But because of everything else we discussed, it

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Speaker 1: does not deserve more than that. I feel it doesn't,

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Speaker 1: so I'll give my half nipple too. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I should give it to Fiona, who always deserves

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Speaker 1: more than she's given in these movies, or if I

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Speaker 1: should give it to Gingi's possible gum drop nipple slash

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Speaker 1: possible piece of poop. I mean, I think you know

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Speaker 1: the answer, and it's feminists will be furious, but it's

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Speaker 1: the gum drop poop slash nipple. Yeah, it is very

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Speaker 1: much is what do you think you know? I think

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Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm gonna match you and and so that

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Speaker 1: Ginge and have a full poop nipple, full hot shit.

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Speaker 1: I will. I will bequeath the same half nipple. There's

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Speaker 1: really not this is I think allow for the franchise,

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Speaker 1: but I also don't really remember what happens in Shrek

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Speaker 1: four because someone was someone the hands inside of me

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Speaker 1: and so it may get worse. I feel like it

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Speaker 1: gets better. I think the fourth one involves time travel.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. I can't know, or or the prequel or

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Speaker 1: the prequel it doesn't like justin Timberlake is not in it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: good and and we thank our lucky stars. Yes, he

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Speaker 1: was too busy. He was doing so set right. I

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Speaker 1: have never seen Shrek four, so I am excited to

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Speaker 1: watch it. And once again, I'll just be plugging puts

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Speaker 1: in boots the Last Wish, which was an incredible piece

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Speaker 1: of art and cinema, cinema cinema. On that note, happy

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Speaker 1: New Year to all and to all a good but

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Speaker 1: also that was subversive. That subverse notes incredible. Jamie, before you,

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Speaker 1: but before you have to all a good Shrek. Scoot

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Speaker 1: on over to our Matreon, where we have the Pinocchio

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Speaker 1: Wars about to happen, actively happening. It's coming, especially if

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Speaker 1: you enjoy um these kinds of episodes. We do them

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Speaker 1: pretty rarely on the main feed, but um, most of

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Speaker 1: our Matreon episodes are just me and Caitlin tend to

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Speaker 1: be a little looser. The movies tend to be generally

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Speaker 1: pretty light, um, except for this month when we're doing

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Speaker 1: the Pinocchio Wars, which is actually really serious. We're covering

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Speaker 1: both the bad Robert Samakis one and the allegedly good

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Speaker 1: Del Toro one. I still have yet to watch them,

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Speaker 1: but I can't wait. I love that Tom Hanks is

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Speaker 1: in his flop era. It's so interesting. He's he's flopping around.

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Speaker 1: He's about to be a man called Auto and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not seeing that. I'm gonna see Megan five times.

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Speaker 1: I already have my tickets. I have my tickets. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to go to Marrow Night? Maybe because my

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Speaker 1: ticket already? Oh wait, sorry I forgot your busy. Okay, anyway,

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Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. You'll go again, and I'll go

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Speaker 1: with you. So the Matron is five dollars a month

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Speaker 1: and you get to bonus episodes and access to a

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Speaker 1: bad catalog of well over a hundred episodes. We've been

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Speaker 1: doing the Matreon for around five years, it's true. Also,

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Speaker 1: you can follow us on social media. You certainly can

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and Twitter, and then you can go to

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Speaker 1: t public dot com slash the Bechtel Cast, where we

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Speaker 1: have none other than a brand new shreky in shirt

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Speaker 1: pillow phone case, other items, well, probably for promo images

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Speaker 1: post with our with our shreky in merch. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: we have some brag. We also have other new designs.

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Speaker 1: We have the Flubber Mambo by Danny Elfman, which is

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Speaker 1: a design honestly I wanted and so it had to happen. Also,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really fun design. It's great, it's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: And we have feminist icon Paddington's and much demanded. Um.

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Speaker 1: I drank tea from my feminist icon Paddington mug this

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Speaker 1: morning because I don't recognize who I am as a

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Speaker 1: person anymore drinking tea. Oh my gosh, Jamie, Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: I changed well, uh and that so that you can

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Speaker 1: get that over at tea public dot com, slash v

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Speaker 1: beck del cast. If you participate in Valentine's Day facori

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Speaker 1: and so forth, they're fun little gifts, give them to whoever.

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Speaker 1: I was not sure where that was going for a minute,

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Speaker 1: because I forgot I was take me on a date.

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Speaker 1: I forgot that like people love each other and they

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Speaker 1: give each other gifts romantically. For Valentine's Day, I got

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Speaker 1: a hat for the HOLID got a hat for the holidays,

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Speaker 1: and it's from It's from a livestock contest that happened

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Speaker 1: in Ventura County. Most romantic gift I've ever received. It's like, wow,

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Speaker 1: you get me, even more romantic of a gift than

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Speaker 1: the give Carl. Okay, we gotta go, We gotta go.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye bye