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Speaker 1: Having compassion towards yourself. Whenever you're learning something is a skill. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Podcast On Purpose with Jay Shetty.

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Speaker 3: Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one

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Speaker 3: health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every

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Speaker 3: and more healed. And that's my goal here. My goal

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Speaker 3: and I'm grateful that you're here listening and committed to

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Speaker 3: that same mission. Today's guest is going to help us

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Speaker 3: do just that. I'm talking about a dear friend of

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Speaker 3: few years. We've known each other in different incarnations, which

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Speaker 3: I'll explain as the podcast goes through. But for those

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Speaker 3: of you who don't know him, Nimai del Gardo was

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Speaker 3: became the world's first vegan IFBB professional bodybuilder p proving

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Speaker 3: Nimai is a motivational speaker and shares his story all

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Speaker 3: over the world to bring awareness to the many benefits

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Speaker 3: our bodies and our compassion. Nimai has also founded vegg

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Speaker 3: Nutrition and All Natural Supplement Company and Veganfitness dot Com,

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Speaker 3: where he has coached thousands of clients, along with a

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Speaker 3: being plant based. Please welcome to the show, Nimai del Gada, Nimai.

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Speaker 3: It's great to have you here.

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Speaker 1: Mandy, I am so excited to be here. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: Bro No, it's great to finally have you here. We've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a long time coming.

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time coming, and I'm glad you're

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Speaker 3: You know, we have a big community here who wants

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Speaker 1: So protein. The other big one is B twelve. So

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Speaker 3: do aught and design university, like at college. That was

440
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Speaker 3: what I wanted to do. That was my favorite subject

441
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 3: in high school, and I traded it to do a

442
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: business degree, even though I did focus on and discovered

443
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 3: behavioral science, which I fell in love with, which was

444
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 3: actually my passion with art and design, which I later discovered.

445
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: But I sold out too because I was just told

446
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 3: so many times that art and design wouldn't make money. Yeah,

447
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 3: and so I was like, oh, yeah, you've got to

448
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 3: make a smart decision. And then I became a monk

449
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 3: anyway on top of all of it, so so it

450
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: all went out of the window. But a lot of

451
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 3: people feel that way where they have something that's calling them,

452
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: something that's pulling them towards it, but then they push

453
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 3: it away because something feels more realistic or something else

454
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 3: feels like the right thing to do. And it's amazing

455
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: that you noticed it on day one. And I've created

456
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 3: now a new methodology. And I'm repeating this because I

457
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 3: hope I remember to use it again and again and again,

458
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: and there are times when I remember it. There are

459
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Speaker 3: times when I wish I remembered it. But I came

460
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: up with a methodology of how I make decisions because

461
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: I found that money was always such a tempting, tantalizing

462
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 3: thing or whatever. That's one of those. But I think

463
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: there are so many things in the world that are

464
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: just so attractive and lucrative that they distract us from

465
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 3: what we truly want. And so I cram up with

466
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 3: something that I call ESM and the E stands for energy.

467
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: So the first thing I ask is does this give

468
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: me energy? Does this person give me energy? Does this

469
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 3: project give me energy? Does the work energize me? Do

470
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Speaker 3: I want to bring my energy to this?

471
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Speaker 2: Like?

472
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 3: Is this an energy fit? And that's a question I

473
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 3: always ask myself. If the answer is yes, then I

474
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 3: move forward to the S. And the S is strategy. Okay,

475
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 3: my energy feels good, it's that my heart feels good.

476
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 3: But is this strategic? Like does this strategically make sense?

477
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: Does it make sense on the basis of do we

478
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: also have the right idea? Sometimes something makes sense energetically,

479
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: but if there isn't a strategy behind it. It won't lost,

480
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: it's not sustainable. So is there strategy behind this? Is

481
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 3: there an effective method behind this, a system, a process

482
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 3: that I can get behind and that my energy will

483
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: be directed? Clearly, I think a lot of the time

484
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: you feel like, oh, the energy is amazing and very

485
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 3: la thing as well, and it's like like the energy

486
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 3: is really good, but then it just kind of goes

487
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: splat right, like it's just everywhere. So like, is my

488
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 3: energy directed? If the answer is yes, then I go

489
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: to the M, which stands for money, and it's does

490
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 3: this make commercial sense? Does this make sense financially? Does

491
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 3: it make And so money is an important part of

492
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Speaker 3: my methodology. It's just the third most important metric. And

493
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: I only get to ask that question if I go

494
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 3: through the first two. And that stops you from doing

495
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 3: things just for something. At the end, I love that,

496
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 3: and at least it's helped me.

497
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I love that because you know, I never

498
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: I never had that process for me. It was always

499
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: the lucrative, like what can provide the most money, and

500
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: I will endure whatever I need to to provide. And

501
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that money's not important. Everybody has to

502
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: provide for themselves and everybody's in different situations. And for

503
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: me personally, engineering just really clearly, it was clear to

504
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: me that it wasn't energizing me, it was very much

505
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: training me. So going to work every day was not

506
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: something I looked forward to. I looked for reasons to leave.

507
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: I was constantly distracted about the other life that I

508
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: had wanted for myself.

509
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: And you know, I.

510
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: Used to think that doing something that you love and

511
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: making money were mutually exclusive. Yea, I didn't know that

512
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: you could marry the two. And now I believe that

513
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: a career is I define career as a profitable source

514
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: of pleasure. So doing something that I love first and foremost,

515
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: you will every time get really good at it. And

516
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: when you're good at anything, you can master it and

517
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: you can teach it to others. And I never once

518
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: in a million years thought that I would be doing

519
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But I did it just on the side,

520
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: for free, because it brought me that much joy and fulfillment,

521
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: just for myself. And once I started to see the

522
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: ripple and the curiosity from other people and thoughts to myself, wow,

523
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: I can really make a difference in somebody's life just

524
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: by sharing how I'm living. And that's when I really

525
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: found the conviction to say, you know what, this is

526
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: something that I want to pursue, even if it doesn't

527
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: make sense logically. I'm going to listen to my heart

528
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: for once, because I've been listening to my brain this

529
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: entire time. I'm going to drop in and listen to

530
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: my heart and what my gut is telling me. My

531
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: gut is telling me to pursue this, to follow this.

532
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that's I love that your definition

533
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: of what a career is. That's really cool and I

534
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: can agree with you more. I remember, literally, and this

535
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: is crazy for me to think about it. I didn't know.

536
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 3: And when I say I didn't know, I mean like

537
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: my mind didn't process that there was any other career

538
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 3: out of being a doctor, a lawyer, or business like.

539
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: I literally thought those were the only three careers that existed.

540
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: Not because I didn't I didn't know anyone who didn't

541
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: do any of those things, apart from obviously if people

542
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 3: were teachers, or if people you know, my my my

543
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: uncle owned a grocery store and things like that, like

544
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: a local grocer, small local grocery store and so things

545
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: like that, but I didn't have context over you could

546
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: be something else, and therefore was those three things. And

547
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: I never liked medicine, I never liked law, and so

548
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: I had to do business and because art and design

549
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: wasn't a career. So I get that, and I think

550
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 3: a lot of people lived that way and feel that way.

551
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: And I also think today we've created a culture where

552
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: it's like you have to be an entrepreneur, and that

553
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: I disagree with two Like, I don't think doing what

554
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: you love means doing it as an entrepreneur. I think

555
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: there are phenomenally talented people who work inside organizations. And

556
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: when you think about some of the CEOs of the

557
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: biggest companies today, they didn't found them, like sind the

558
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: Peach I see of Google, or Tim Cook, who CEO

559
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 3: of Apple, Like they didn't build those companies, and they

560
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: became so successful within an organization that they run. And

561
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: so I do think that we're also living at that

562
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: other extreme now where it's like you have to quit

563
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: your job and do something you love. And I'm like, well,

564
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense either, Like maybe some people are

565
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: going to find what they love inside a career and

566
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: inside a workplace, and I think both need to be bandaged.

567
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 3: So we went from like you have to work an

568
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 3: amazing job as an engineer and do something you hate

569
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: and get paid, and now it's like you have to

570
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: quit everything and do what you love. And it's like, well,

571
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: there's a spectrum there. Definitely, I want to know how

572
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: you survived the five years because I love that answer

573
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: that you knew it on the first day, but you

574
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: had to survive and suffer for five years. I think

575
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: that's very, very real because you're in your head trying

576
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: to figure that out, Like how did you deal and

577
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: cope with those five years? Did you adopt bad habits?

578
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: What did you do? Because I think oftentimes that's when

579
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: people turn to like different things. I don't know if

580
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: you did, but yeah, what did you do? And then

581
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: how did you finally get out? Yeah?

582
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

583
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: I mean there's when you don't when you live that way, obviously,

584
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm you you find escape, right, There's there's ways to escape,

585
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: And thankfully my escape was the gym, and anytime I

586
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: would get off work, it was a great escape for

587
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: me and I would go to the gym and I

588
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: would really just find peace and it was. It was

589
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: like my therapy. I would go to the gym, and

590
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: I really do love training. I love the art of

591
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: learning how this this vessel works and how I can

592
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: really optimize the movements and how it feels, and and

593
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: just really sink into the process of developing my physical self.

594
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: And what I learned in that process was how many

595
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: benefits mentally there are as well, because it requires discipline,

596
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: it requires sacrifice, it requires intention and attention to detail.

597
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: So that's where I really found enjoyment was really in

598
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: the process of learning how to develop my physical self.

599
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: And as far as dealing with you know, the five

600
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: years I had thought about quitting, I mean I also

601
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: am a realist and knew that I had to provide

602
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: for myself and I would also be giving up a

603
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: very good opportunity and didn't have the clarity of what

604
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: that next thing would be. And all the while I

605
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: was doing this other thing. It was right in front

606
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: of me the whole time. But I needed to really

607
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: find that path, like I needed the contrast of doing

608
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: something that I didn't like doing, because that gave me

609
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: the clarity to find something that I really did. So

610
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: I don't regret anything in my life that was painful

611
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: or challenging, because it's really shaped who I am today

612
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: and given me the opportunity to have the clarity to

613
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: pursue the things that really resonate with me.

614
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and I guess you can deal with You

615
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: know what your clients are dealing with too, in terms

616
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: of the stress of the workplace, the stress of what

617
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: they're going through, and you've been in their shoes, you

618
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: know what it looks like. And I think that the

619
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: thing that came to my mind when you were saying

620
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: that was you knew that you were falling in love

621
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: with working out and you were falling in love with

622
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: this other thing on the side. I have a friend

623
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: that well, she used to be working at a company

624
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: and she was stressed and hated it in the same

625
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: sense as you do did, but she loved presenting. And

626
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: so then she joined a company where she's a public

627
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: speaking coach and she goes back to the company she's

628
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 3: work out and teach public speaking, like teaches communication, not

629
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: just public speaking, but teachers communication, teachers negotiation, teaches people's skills,

630
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: and she's so much happier doing it. And I love

631
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: seeing those stories where people have the courage to figure

632
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: out the switch. But it sounds like you were doing

633
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: a lot in your evenings and weekends to build this

634
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: other route and build this other path. When you made

635
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: the switch over, did it feel like, because I'm guessing

636
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: when you first did it, were you able to replace

637
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: your salary completely? No? Right, that's yeah, that's my friend.

638
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: She's it's taken a three years to replace her salary

639
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: that she made before, but she's doing good now.

640
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think that working as an engineer

641
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: and going through that getting my degree really helped me

642
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: think like an engineer obviously, So I approached it with

643
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: that engineering approach of like, how can I take this

644
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: thing that I really want to do and create systems

645
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: and processes for me to make it financially so I

646
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: could pay for my bills. Essentially, that was my goal

647
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: was like can I just cover my bills at that

648
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: point in time? And what I wanted to do was

649
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: reach as many people as possible. So I partnered up

650
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: with a software engineer and we decided to build a

651
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: whole platform of how can I really systemize delivering the content,

652
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: teaching people how to lift providing educational content, and then

653
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: also the meal planning, which is the most important part

654
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: whenever people are trying to get is figuring out what

655
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: to eat. So we developed a whole algorithm and a

656
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657
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658
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659
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661
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Speaker 1: And obviously that's that's my experience, but it takes that

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Speaker 3: First of all, growing up in a spiritual community made

717
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Speaker 3: you vegetarian, made you have a hymns, made you appreciate

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Speaker 3: life forms, Like that's a useful experience, even if at

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720
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Speaker 3: you're around. Then you go off and you study engineering,

721
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Speaker 3: which again you're like, I don't want to be an engineer,

722
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Speaker 3: but you're engineering skills are the ones that you use

723
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Speaker 3: to launch your passion. Yeah, and then it's like you

724
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 3: discover what you love doing, which is working out, and

725
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Speaker 3: now what you do is mixing compassion, working out and engineering,

726
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Speaker 3: And I love that idea that encouraging people to collect

727
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Speaker 3: passions and curate their passion, and that's how you create

728
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Speaker 3: your passion, is that you're constantly collecting experiences and then

729
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 3: you're bringing them together rather than like I found this

730
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Speaker 3: one thing and everything before this was a waste of time.

731
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Speaker 3: And even in my journey I feel the same way.

732
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: It's like I loved art and design growing up, which

733
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: has massively impacted my career today because I look at

734
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: everything through the lens of art and design. And then

735
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 3: I was fortunately great at economics and good at understanding business,

736
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: and then behavioral science and that was that's obviously been

737
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: very useful in my life today. And then obviously I

738
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 3: fell in love with philosophy, and I fell in love

739
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: with teaching, and I fell in love with mentorship, and

740
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Speaker 3: I fell in love with the wisdom that I learned

741
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: from the monks. And now my life is all three

742
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: of those things put together. And I wouldn't trade any

743
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: of those experiences. So if anyone's in a bad place

744
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Speaker 3: right now, or and anyone's in a hard place right

745
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Speaker 3: now where they don't enjoy what they do, or they

746
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: feel they studied the wrong thing at university or college

747
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, none of that's wasted because you're

748
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: just collecting experiences that will be useful if you look

749
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Speaker 3: at it that way in what you're building. And that

750
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: isn't a mindset, that's just true that any skill you

751
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: learn right now is going to be useful. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I believe in this like inclusion based universe where everything

753
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: is happening for your benefit. Every experience that you go

754
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: through is happening for you, and you can be the

755
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: beneficiary even if some very challenging times. And I believe

756
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Speaker 1: that from the soul's perspective, we call in these experiences

757
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: so that we can develop the strength of the resilience

758
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: or the perspective to transcend them. So when I look

759
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: back at my childhood, although it was had its moments

760
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: of beauty and so much beauty in my life, there

761
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: was also so much challenge and strife as well, And

762
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Speaker 1: I see those moments now as what really shaped me

763
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Speaker 1: and primed me for what I'm doing today, because once,

764
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Speaker 1: at one point the thing that I was most ashamed

765
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Speaker 1: of is the thing that I really lead with now.

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Speaker 1: So just remembering that in any time of challenge, that

767
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Speaker 1: this is teaching you something and in some time maybe

768
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Speaker 1: you can't see it right there, but you are the

769
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Speaker 1: beneficiary of this challenging moment and it will allow you

770
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Speaker 1: to keep growing. It's like, you know, there's so many

771
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: parallels between the gym and life. You know. It's like

772
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Speaker 1: you're under the bar at doing squats and it's very,

773
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. You want it to stop, you want to

774
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Speaker 1: drop the weight. You're like, no more, I can't handle

775
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: any more. And then you push through and on the

776
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: other side of that you develop the strength and the

777
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Speaker 1: resilience and your body adapts and you grow so that

778
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Speaker 1: you can handle that plus some the next time. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's the way that I really tried to approach

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00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: any challenge these days is like, Okay, bring it on.

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00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: I accept the challenge because I called this experience into

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Speaker 1: my life so I could transcend it.

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Speaker 3: What's the mindset and where did buddybuilding come into? Like

784
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Speaker 3: where what's the mindset behind wanting to do that? Where

785
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Speaker 3: does that come from? And what was that journey like?

786
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: Because I think we hear about it a lot, I

787
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 3: think from celebrities in the media who have to look

788
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: a certain way for movies or things like that, and

789
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: then they come out years later and they tell you

790
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 3: how unhealthy it was. But during when the movies, I

791
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: think it was zac Efron recently it was like, you know,

792
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: he talked about the Baywatch movie and it's obviously when

793
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: you watch that movie, liked that looks incredible. Yeah, and

794
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: he did, and then you know, he was on TV

795
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 3: shows at the time. But then I think he came

796
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 3: out recently he was talking about how unhealthy it was,

797
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Speaker 3: how he didn't feel great about it. And I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of men talk about that afterwards as one.

799
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Speaker 3: Women of course talk about it, but I feel like

800
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: it's great when a couple of men start opening up

801
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: about how even though they look great and every guy

802
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: wanted to look like them, it wasn't healthy. But for you,

803
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: how how has that journey been for you? And I'm

804
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Speaker 3: intrigued to I've never asked you this before.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it's a bit of a narc for me.

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Speaker 1: You know, I remember always being the small kid growing up,

807
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: so there was a bit of insecurity there. And so

808
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: definitely ego played a big part in for me to

809
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: want to develop myself because it, you know, it quite

810
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: literally built layers between you and everybody else, and if

811
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Speaker 1: you're trying to protect your fragile nature or your little

812
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: wound itself, then this is a great way to do that,

813
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: even if it's masked through other things. So that was

814
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: that was a big journey for me because originally when

815
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Speaker 1: I got into it, I had that reason, and then

816
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: the more I did it, the more I really started

817
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: to do it because I loved it and didn't train

818
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: because I didn't like myself or the thought of if

819
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm out of shape, nobody will like me or I

820
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: won't like myself, and started shifting and reframing that too.

821
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: I really love taking care of myself because I feel

822
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: good when I do, and That's what really led me

823
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: to lean into it and to continue to discover ways

824
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: in which I could just develop myself further. And then

825
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: somebody actually suggested it to me in the gym one time.

826
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: They said, hey, there's a show coming up locally and

827
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: you should do it. You look great, and I was like, yeah, right,

828
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: you could not pay me to do that, And then

829
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: I thought about it. I was like, you know, I

830
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: don't have anything else going on. This could be some

831
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: new challenge, something exciting. I did it and ended up

832
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: winning the first show that I competed in. So obviously

833
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: when you excel at something, it motivates you even further.

834
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.

835
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Speaker 1: So then the marriage of like teaching people how to

836
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: do what I did with that eating any animal products

837
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: felt really aligned with me because I had heard up

838
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: until that point that you couldn't win a bodybuilding show

839
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: or bodybuilders need animal protein. So here I was showing

840
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: other people that you could do it. And that's what

841
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: I really felt the call beyond myself to say, hey,

842
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: if I can inspire other people to live more compassionately,

843
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: then this is worth me pursuing because it brings me

844
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: that much more fulfillment. And I see the difference that

845
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: it's making, and maybe they might be complete strangers to me,

846
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: but it's nice to know that people are out there listening.

847
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: And that's when I continued and eventually became pro. Eventually

848
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: did that for a few years, but then afterwards I

849
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: got wrapped up in the identity of like being a bodybuilder,

850
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: and that's when I started to recognize that, hey, maybe

851
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: this isn't for me anymore because I'm attaching so much

852
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: of who I am to what I look like, and

853
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't feel good anymore. So that's when I decided

854
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: to step away from the sport altogether and just retire

855
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen.

856
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's real journy, because, like you said, it

857
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 3: often starts with like ego or validation from ourselves from others.

858
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: Then you kind of get to a point, if you're lucky,

859
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: where you're like, Okay, now I'm doing it for myself

860
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 3: and I enjoy it. Talk to me a bit about

861
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: that journey, because I think that's the hardest part of

862
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: that journey, is like going from like I do this

863
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: because I want the validation for myself and others, and

864
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: I want to protect you know, the younger me too,

865
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Speaker 3: I'm actually going to do this because I like feeling better,

866
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: Like walk me through some of the steps there, because

867
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, that feels like a long, long journey.

868
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was for sure. And you know, the ego

869
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: is a funny thing because once you shine the light

870
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: of awareness on a part of your ego, it just

871
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: kind of dances into the shadow and it becomes a

872
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: little bit more insidious and tricky and shows up in

873
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: new ways. So for me, it kept showing up in

874
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: different ways to where I was realizing that it wasn't

875
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: bringing me happiness anymore. Like I felt this obligation, this

876
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: pressure to be this person. And at the time, my

877
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: following was continuously rising as my popularity grew and the

878
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: really just the exposure to people's comments and things that

879
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: they had to say about me. I started to notice

880
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: how much it was affecting me and specifically focusing on negativity,

881
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, why am I really focusing on

882
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: this and allowing it to really disrupt my internal state?

883
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: And that's when I started to get real with myself

884
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, because I am seeking this validation and

885
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: it means so much to me, and when people think

886
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: highly of me, and when they don't, it really affects

887
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: me mentally. So that's when I started to take a

888
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: step back to more self reflection and say, maybe I'm

889
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: not doing this for the right reasons anymore, and I

890
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: should explore that.

891
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I like that reflection because I always try

892
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: and walk into things with the right intention, and then

893
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: I try and reflect on my intention while i'm doing it,

894
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: and I can often find that it's easy for your

895
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 3: intention to get distorted. And then I asked myself, can

896
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: I bring my attention back to doing it for the

897
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: right thing? And then if I can't, that's when I

898
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: leave it. So my goal is always I try and

899
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: start with the right motivation, the right approach, and then

900
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: it's natural for it to get distorted. That's always going

901
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: to happen to any of us because we're not perfect.

902
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: Because we're not we haven't got everything figured out. And

903
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: so I'll realize that, oh, maybe I did kind of

904
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 3: go too far this way, and then I'll see if

905
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: I have the ability to come back, and sometimes I

906
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: do and sometimes I don't. And so it sounds like

907
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: you went through that same process of you know, can

908
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: I do this again for the right reasons when you

909
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 3: were doing it at its peak and you had people

910
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: coming up to you talking to you about compassion and

911
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: plant based life and veganism, Like did people notice that?

912
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: Were they aware of that? And then what would they

913
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: say to you? Like what was people's reactions? I'm just intrigue.

914
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's always a lot of curiosity, a

915
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: lot of interest whenever you hear somebody doing something that's unorthodox.

916
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: So vegan bodybuilder is an oxymoron for a lot of people.

917
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: They don't believe it's possible. So to see somebody doing

918
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: it and competing at the highest level, it brought its

919
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: own pressures to me because people, especially the vegan movement,

920
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: tended to pedestalize me and use me as this poster boy,

921
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: this example for somebody who could do this, which I

922
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: enjoyed and then also equally didn't enjoy because I would

923
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: be thrown into arguments online and people would just use

924
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: me as this example where I just opened up my

925
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: phone and just see all these comments of people arguing

926
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: back and forth. And again, my goal was to never

927
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: be polarizing online or it was to inspire the people

928
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: that really wanted to live this way, so that also

929
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: played a huge impact into reassessing what kind of message

930
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm putting out there, and to really again just lead,

931
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: lead with compassion and show that you can coexist with

932
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: people who have different views on life, different perspectives than you,

933
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: where were often more times more common than we are different.

934
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: So that's that's another reason why I felt like bodybuilding

935
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: is a sport of comparison. It's me literally lined up

936
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: to another person and comparing the two, and I always

937
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: approached that sport with it's always just me versus me.

938
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: I could never control what anybody else was doing outside

939
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: of you know that experience. It is like you step

940
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: on stage, It's not me versus these other guys. It's

941
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: just me versus who I was yesterday. But that's really

942
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: when I wanted to step away from the sport so

943
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: I could continue to focus on the thing that I

944
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: originally wanted to do, which was to help serve people

945
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: in my highest capacity, which is when I started coaching

946
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: after I left bodybuilding.

947
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what I finds interesting too. It's a

948
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: knowing when to quit something, and quitting stuff is such

949
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 3: a good skill that I think is underrated, like we

950
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: rate people in society. For how long they can do

951
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 3: something as opposed to how quickly they can let go

952
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: of something that doesn't serve them or serve others anymore.

953
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: And I'm more interested in that sometimes where I think about,

954
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: like I let go of being a monk at a

955
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: time when I didn't feel like it served me or

956
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 3: served others anymore. I let go of my corporate career

957
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 3: because it didn't serve me or serve others anymore. I

958
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: let go of the first content I created. We don't

959
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: make content like that anymore because it didn't serve me

960
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: or serve others anymore. And it's like we've evolved in

961
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: so many ways, and I often think that we keep

962
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 3: putting time you've done something on a pedestal as opposed

963
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: to time you stopped doing things that didn't make sense

964
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: to you anymore. And so even hearing that from your perspective,

965
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: and it's like, we did this bodybuilding, achieved so much,

966
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: and then I had to leave it behind in order

967
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: to move into coaching. And you know, in the coaching space,

968
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: you've worked with some incredible people and you don't have

969
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: to name anyone or whatever you feel comfortable with. But

970
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: in the idea of like, when you're coaching someone or

971
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: anyone who's thinking about becoming a coach or thinking about

972
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: becoming a trainer or a guide, a teacher in any capacity,

973
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 3: what are the things that have been really important that

974
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 3: you've learned through coaching other people who are high performers.

975
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's realizing that it's not about me. It's not

976
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: about me coaching them, It's about me helping my client

977
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: discover the power that they contain within themselves. So oftentimes

978
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: people think that they're not one who could possibly get

979
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: into shape or do the things that they commit because

980
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: they just get in their own way. So what I've

981
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: found is that those are symptoms of underlying beliefs. Maybe

982
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: they're subconscious beliefs that are preventing them from doing the

983
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: things that they really want to do. So when I coach,

984
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: and you know this from working with me, is that

985
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: I like to talk a lot during our sessions and

986
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: hear what your experience is like, because oftentimes language reveals

987
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: so much about how we think, and ironically, the way

988
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: that we view ourselves has a huge impact in the

989
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: way that we show up for or are our physical health.

990
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: So as I'm training people, it's almost like I don't

991
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: want to call it therapy, but it's just a really

992
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: deep conversation where I learn about my clients on a

993
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: level that allows them to see what kind of capable,

994
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: powerful person they are, and then once they recognize it themselves,

995
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: then they start to show up and believe it themselves.

996
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, for everyone who's listening, Nima I trained

997
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 3: me during the pandemic. I think he was for a

998
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: few months. We work together, and I guarantee Nima has

999
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: never had anyone that he's trained that has been blested me. Literally,

1000
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: I would like and Nima is a great tread to add.

1001
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: He's everything he just said. He is, like you know,

1002
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: it was very like therapeutic working with him, you know,

1003
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: super supportive, constantly make me look for the power within myself.

1004
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: And I'd be like, nine times out of ten after

1005
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: a session, I'd be lying on my bed just trying

1006
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 3: to recover because I'd love the coolness of my bed. Yeah,

1007
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 3: and I just sit there and just like take it

1008
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 3: in because it was so high intensity in a good way.

1009
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I also broke through a

1010
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 3: lot of mental blocks I had around what I believed,

1011
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 3: around what my body could do or you know what

1012
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: I believed my body was capable of, Like we were

1013
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 3: able to dial back and start slower and build up again.

1014
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: And I think you were so great at doing that.

1015
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: Like I think it's so beautiful. As I'm a coach too,

1016
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: and I think when I'm being coached, I really appreciate

1017
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: it when someone makes me feel like I can get

1018
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: there and that it's okay that I'm slower or that

1019
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 3: it's taking time. I'm already going through all the self

1020
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: judgment and self criticism. The last thing I need is

1021
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: for someone else to criticize me too, and to have

1022
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: someone who's supporting you along that journey. I really felt

1023
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 3: love with you. I've always felt that with you through

1024
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: our friendship, but I also felt it very much in

1025
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: that time. And I think those are such great skills

1026
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: for all relationships, actually, not just for coaching, but if

1027
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 3: you're teaching your partner something, if you're teaching a child something,

1028
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: if you're teaching a parent something. If we could be

1029
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: more supportive and notice the goodness in them, and notice

1030
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: the attempt and notice the positive attitude that person have

1031
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: and the fact that they showed up, that person is

1032
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: going to feel inspired. But if we criticize them the

1033
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: first time they fumble, or judge them the second time

1034
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: they make a mistake, or point out to them how

1035
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 3: much better everyone else that we train is. That doesn't

1036
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: help anyone. And I at one point I had one

1037
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 3: of my clients took me to play golf with him,

1038
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 3: and I don't play golf, and I've never played golf

1039
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 3: before that day, and I had a coach at the

1040
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: center we went to, and the coach was incredible, very patient,

1041
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: very professional, you know, very there for me. I was

1042
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: only there for a day, so only got a day

1043
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: of coaching. But by the end of the day, I

1044
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: was half decent. I was okay, and I could do something.

1045
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 3: And when I came back to LA because we were

1046
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: traveling together. But when I came back to LA, I

1047
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: tried to look for a golf coach here because I

1048
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: really got it. I was like, oh, this could be

1049
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: a cool thing to do, and maybe it'd be fun

1050
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: to get into it with Radi. And I took Radi

1051
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: with me, and I got a coach who'd supposedly worked

1052
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: with like some of the best, the best and all

1053
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: the rest of it. And I couldn't take a shot

1054
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: without him. Correcting me every second, and it almost became

1055
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: really draining and tiring because I was like, I need

1056
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: to hit like ten shots to then be corrected. But

1057
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: if I'm corrected in every half a swing, it's really

1058
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: hard for me to like find my flow. And I

1059
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 3: felt so criticized and judged and everything that I kind

1060
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: of never saw him again after like see him a

1061
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 3: couple of times, and it just showed me that being

1062
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 3: a coach is really tough. Being a student is really tough.

1063
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 3: But often I think we wrongly coach our friends and family,

1064
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: and that's where I find the coaching conversation will be

1065
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: most interesting. Even if you're not a coach in your career,

1066
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 3: how you try and teach things to your family, your friends,

1067
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 3: your kids, your parents goes a long way. I wanted

1068
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts on that.

1069
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's meeting people where they are right and

1070
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: understanding that everybody is where they're at and that is

1071
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: the only place they could be with the awareness that

1072
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: they have in that moment. So really having compassion because really,

1073
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, coaches just help you get one step ahead

1074
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: at a time. If you try to share something with

1075
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: someone who's not ready to receive that message, it's just

1076
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: going to go over their head. So I really love

1077
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: starting with the fundamentals of helping people make those small

1078
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: incremental changes that compound to be big, big difference in

1079
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: their physical health. But not just their physical health, but

1080
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: like the way that they believe they have the confidence

1081
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: in themselves that they can achieve the things that they

1082
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: want to. So, like you said, sometimes people are their

1083
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: own worst critics. And having compassion towards yourself whenever you're

1084
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: learning something is a skill and it's not something that

1085
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: we exercise very much. So I really try to help

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00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: my clients also exercise that muscle of can you be

1087
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: compassionate with yourself? Yes, you may be not where you

1088
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: want to be. Maybe you're a bit out of shape,

1089
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: that's okay. The difference that you have now is you

1090
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: have the awareness that you want to do something about it.

1091
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: You don't have to judge yourself for the mistakes that

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00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: you made. All of that process was or all of

1093
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: those decisions were coming from a place that maybe you

1094
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: didn't have the awareness to you, maybe you didn't have

1095
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: the skill set too, maybe to have the resources too.

1096
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: But now moving forward, you have the support too, and

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00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: you first, have to be kind with yourself. Yeah, first

1098
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: and foremost. So if you feel guilty or if you

1099
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: feel ashamed of allowing yourself to get to this point,

1100
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: just know that, yes, you were always accountable for what

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00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: we do, but there's no need to belittle yourself or

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00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: beat yourself up about it. It's like I'd like to

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00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: use this example with my clients. If you were to

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00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: hand a child a calculus problem and tell them to

1105
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: solve it, and they weren't able to solve it, would

1106
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: you yell at them or scream at them, or tell

1107
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: them how stupid they are or how incapable they are. No,

1108
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: they just don't have the awareness to solve that problem.

1109
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: And that is the same kind of thinking that you

1110
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: could apply towards yourself. Like, you would be gentle with them,

1111
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: you would be kind with them, you would be supportive,

1112
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: you would ask them what they need to help get

1113
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: them to that place. So that's the way that I

1114
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: like to teach my clients to think about themselves, so

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00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: that the next time they show up and they say, hey,

1116
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: you know what, I slipped up. But slipping up and

1117
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: giving up are two totally different things. So it's okay

1118
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: to slip up failure is part of the formula for success.

1119
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: So you learn, you make mistakes, you get better, you

1120
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: make more advanced mistakes, and then you get better. So

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00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: that's the formula I like to teach my clients as well.

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00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that. And what I love

1123
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: about that approach is just fitness and working out and

1124
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: anything we do externally is so much more of an

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00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: internal journey. Like it's like overcoming the inner critic, overcoming

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00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 3: the inner judgment, being able to be kind to ourselves,

1127
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: being able to be compassionate to ourselves, being able to

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00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 3: let things go and know when to work harder and

1129
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: when to pull back. It's such an internal dialogue. It's

1130
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: completely inner mastery that you're actually working on. And I

1131
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: often think about me as someone who I love playing sports.

1132
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: I've never really loved working out. But that's the part

1133
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: that I can get behind, is that ultimately it's in

1134
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: a mastery that I'm working on, even if working out

1135
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 3: is my favorite thing, even though I do do it

1136
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: because I've realized it's value and benefit, but that ultimately

1137
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: it's in a mastery that I'm trying to get through it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and focusing more on the process too, and

1139
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: not so much the outcome, because the outcome. Yes, people

1140
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: are motivated by results. But if you're only motivated by

1141
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: results and they don't come in the timeline that you

1142
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: expect them to, then your motivation will tank. So finding

1143
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: that intrinsic motivation of not just looking a certain way

1144
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: in the mirror or seeing a certain number on the scale,

1145
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: or being able to squat a thousand pounds or anything

1146
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: like that, but really being intrinsically motivated by the feeling

1147
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: that you're looking to achieve by doing this. So showing

1148
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: up for yourself, going to the gym and just remembering

1149
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,479
Speaker 1: or just thinking about the feeling that you would get

1150
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: once you have that internal freedom within your body, the

1151
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: comfort of what it would feel like to just wake

1152
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: up and feel good, just feel good in your skin,

1153
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: and feel capable of handling whatever life throws at you

1154
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: because you have been consistently training and showing up in

1155
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: this way. So I really try to preach just focus

1156
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: on the process and if you can really find a

1157
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: way to enjoy the process, to make it fun, to

1158
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: make it exciting. Like, fitness is not just about going

1159
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: to the gym. There's many different forms of fitness. So

1160
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: if you don't like training or you don't like lifting

1161
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: weights in the gym, like, you could do tennis, or

1162
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: you could play soccer. You could go hiking, you could

1163
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: go biking, you could go paddle boarding. There's so many

1164
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: different things that once you find the enjoyment of it,

1165
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: then you're more likely to keep doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, NeiMa, It's been so dope talking to you, man.

1167
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 3: It's just like, I feel like there's so many great

1168
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 3: lessons from just hearing some one's journey. And you know,

1169
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: even though we've been friends and we've talked before, it's

1170
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: like to actually hear your journey step by step. And

1171
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 3: I noticed this in everyone that I think is living happier,

1172
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: healthy and healed lives, is that it's just that they

1173
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: took the time to reflect and then shift. That's like

1174
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: a common thread I find in people who are happier, healthier,

1175
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: and more healed is that they weren't smarter, They weren't better.

1176
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: They weren't And this applies to me too. It's like,

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Speaker 3: you didn't It's not that you were above anyone, and

1178
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: it's not that you were below. It's not that you

1179
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: were ahead or behind. It's that The only difference is

1180
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: you took the time to reflect and shift your life

1181
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 3: according to your reflection. And I find that today we

1182
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 3: do a lot of thinking and overthinking, and thinking and

1183
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: overthinking is where you just let the same thought go

1184
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: over and over and over again. But reflecting is asking yourself,

1185
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 3: is this the right thought? Is this thought useful? Is

1186
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: this the thought that I want to play again and

1187
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: again and again. The answer is no, let me shift

1188
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 3: my behavior so that I can have a different thought,

1189
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 3: or let me plant a new thought so that it

1190
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 3: can shift my behavior. And so I see that through

1191
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: your journey, and it's just I hope that this conversation

1192
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: encourages you to listen to your friends, listen to people

1193
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 3: around you, to make time and space for reflection, because

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Speaker 3: even reflecting with you today, it's amazing to see how

1195
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: many similarities there are, even though we do very different

1196
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 3: things or have achieved very different things externally, but there's

1197
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Speaker 3: so many similarities in how we had to pivot and shift.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it really comes down to

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Speaker 1: listening to yourself. Like you said, that self reflection, that

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Speaker 1: listening to your gut, listening to that inner knowing, and

1201
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: it's much more difficult to find that without creating the

1202
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: space to listen. So for me, that meditation is also

1203
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: whenever I move my body. Some people find it in stillness.

1204
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: I find it in movement, and that is when I

1205
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: find this connection to this higher self. If you will,

1206
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: within myself to where I get all my best ideas,

1207
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: I find the most inspiration. So creating the space for

1208
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: whatever that looks like for you to really tap into

1209
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: the deepest part of yourself that brings you the most

1210
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: fulfillment and most join and most clarity about who do

1211
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: you want to be, what type of person do you

1212
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: want to show up as, what type of life do

1213
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: you want to have? And are you living in alignment

1214
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: with those those thoughts or are you living incongruently with that?

1215
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: And that disparity between the two is signified by how

1216
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: you feel about it. So you're always being shown and

1217
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: being guided by your feelings. So learn to tap into

1218
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: the good feelings and what feels right and what feels

1219
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: true for you and then just continue to follow that.

1220
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Nima, I love that I've we end every episode

1221
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 3: with a final five. Okay, these have to be answered

1222
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 3: in a one word to one sentence maximum, So Nima

1223
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 3: Dza your final five. The first question is what is

1224
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: the best fitness advice you've ever received or heard?

1225
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: Just be consistent? Okay, just be consistent.

1226
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 3: That is good advice, all right. The second question is

1227
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Speaker 3: what is the worst fitness advice you've ever heard or received?

1228
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: That you have to go to a gym to get fit?

1229
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: You know.

1230
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: I would say that you have to You don't have

1231
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: to sign up to a gym to get in shape,

1232
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: you know. Just find what you like to do that's

1233
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: active and gets you moving, and that's what's most important

1234
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to fitness.

1235
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when you turn a random room in

1236
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: our house into yeah, the pandemic. So yeah, I believe

1237
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 3: that now after having seen you doing that, I do that.

1238
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: Question number three, how would you define your current purpose.

1239
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: To help inspire people to lead with more compassion?

1240
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 2: Beautiful?

1241
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 3: Question number four? What's something that you used to value

1242
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 3: when it came to physical fitness but that you don't

1243
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: value anymore?

1244
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: I would say the the This is superficial, but the

1245
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: amount of weight that I that I lift in the gym.

1246
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: I see so many people lift with their ego and

1247
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: they're just being very inefficient with their movement, and they're

1248
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: essentially wasting their time in the gym. So leave your

1249
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: ego at the door. Whenever you go into the gym

1250
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: and lift with intention. Don't just go in there to

1251
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: swing weight around and look cool, but really go in

1252
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: there with the intention of mastering the repetition. If you

1253
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: can master the repetition of any movement, then you will

1254
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: see so much faster results than anything else.

1255
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: That's great. I love that. That's a good piece of advice.

1256
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 3: Fifth and final question, if you could create one law

1257
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 3: that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it.

1258
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: Be to be kind to others, accept people where they

1259
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: are and who they are. I think that the world

1260
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: would be a much much more pleasant place than what

1261
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: it does right now.

1262
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: We need a lot of that. Yeah, everyone, that's n

1263
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 3: my del Gato. Make sure you check him out if

1264
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: you don't already on social media. We will put his

1265
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 3: handles everywhere and make sure you tag us, both me

1266
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: and Nima with anything that stood out in this conversation.

1267
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 3: I think this was one of those conversations where, you know,

1268
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 3: we learned so much about so many things we go

1269
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 3: through all the time, things like pivoting your career, things

1270
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 3: like knowing when to quit things like how to process

1271
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 3: your early experiences and turn them into something else, and

1272
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 3: then ultimately, how do you find what you love and

1273
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: live in that way and totally create a life around

1274
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 3: what you love and what you believe in, whether that's

1275
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: loving your workout or loving your career. And so I

1276
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 3: hope this episode guides you closer towards that direction. I

1277
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 3: hope this episode moves you in that direction, towards your

1278
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 3: greatest gifts and your greatest potential. And I want to

1279
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 3: say a big thank you to Nima for spending his

1280
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 3: time with us today. Thank you so much. Man. That

1281
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 3: was amazing and it's so good for me to sit

1282
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 3: and learn more about your story. And I hope a

1283
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 3: lot of people are going to come and learn from

1284
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 3: me and grow in so many different ways.

1285
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Speaker 1: Nah, thank you so much, Jay, I really appreciate you

1286
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: inviting me on. I just want to say that you

1287
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: are such an inspiration to me as well, and to

1288
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: see you and Roddy show up in the way that

1289
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: you do and continue to inspire and uplift everybody.

1290
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: So thank you for being an inspiration too.

1291
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Ron, Thank you If you love

1292
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 3: this episode you'll enjoy my conversation with Megan Trainer on

1293
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 3: breaking generational trauma and how to be confident from the

1294
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 3: inside out.

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Speaker 4: My therapist told me stand in the mirror naked for

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Speaker 4: five minutes. It was already tough for me to love

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Speaker 4: my body, but after the C section scar with all

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Speaker 4: the stretch marks, now I'm looking at myself like I've

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Speaker 4: been hacked. But day three, when I did it, I

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Speaker 4: was like, you know what, her thighs are?

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Speaker 1: Cute.