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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Horman. Before we get to it, this episode is

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Speaker 1: My guest is a six time winner on the dp

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Speaker 1: World Tour played on the PGA Tour. Brett Rumford. Rummy

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Speaker 1: wanted to do this for a while. There's so much

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Speaker 1: that I want to ask you about the short game,

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Speaker 1: about a bunker, because I've never seen anyone out of

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Speaker 1: a bunker as good as you. I got to watch Sebby,

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Speaker 1: I've watched you know, my dad's worked with Jose Mariello Fauble.

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Speaker 1: He's pretty good out of a bunker, but you're the

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Speaker 1: best I've ever seen. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: you're playing career. When you look back at, you know,

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Speaker 1: the career that you had winning a professional event, you

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Speaker 1: know in nineteen ninety nine as an amateur, which you

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Speaker 1: kind of got you your start, and then the six

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Speaker 1: wins on the DP world. You were one of those

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Speaker 1: globetrotters back in the day from Australia that were traveling

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Speaker 1: all over the world. When you look back at your

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Speaker 1: playing career, what are you most proud of?

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Speaker 2: My resilience? Probably, I think mostly for the guys that

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Speaker 2: are at this still today, the Rosies, the Scutties, the

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Speaker 2: guys in which I grew up playing golf with. I'm

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Speaker 2: playing against Rosie He and Gary Wilson home cracky. That

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Speaker 2: would have been mid nineties, but they came down and

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Speaker 2: tail myself and Jeff Ogilvie up pretty badly six and

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Speaker 2: five in a game of foursomes, and that was my

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Speaker 2: first introduction to meeting Rosie and he was a superstar

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Speaker 2: back then. But these guys are still out there. There's

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Speaker 2: still glog trotting playing just as good golf, if not better.

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Speaker 2: But my resilience probably we all have our stories, we

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Speaker 2: all have our setbacks, I guess, and mine sort of came.

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Speaker 2: The start of it was maybe twenty thirteen when I

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Speaker 2: had twelve inches of small test I removed in South Africa.

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Speaker 2: I was coming third, I was coming third that week too,

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Speaker 2: and then kind of just fell off the face of

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Speaker 2: the earth the twelve months. Got the body back eventually

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Speaker 2: after working working my butt off for a couple of years,

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Speaker 2: and then probably the most the proudest moment was probably winning,

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Speaker 2: Like to come to win is tough, but sort of

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Speaker 2: to come from that physical set back and win was

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Speaker 2: probably one of my proudest moments. Just to hang in there.

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Speaker 2: I could have just racked it then, but I just

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Speaker 2: felt as I had some golf left. And then my

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Speaker 2: wrist started playing up. In eighteen, had some surgery. I'm

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Speaker 2: a wrist in All of nineteen I was out and

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Speaker 2: then I came back playing probably the best golf of

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Speaker 2: my career. Around twenty I played five events and then

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Speaker 2: COVID hit and then of course it was lockdown for

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Speaker 2: it was like they say, things coming through huh right,

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Speaker 2: so and that was it for me kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: But my resilience throughout it, with my surgeries and just yeah,

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Speaker 2: just playing away. You know, it's just a tough school,

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Speaker 2: as you know, acclaud. It's it's not as glamorous as

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Speaker 2: what everyone seems to think. Retaining tour cards is not

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Speaker 2: as easy as what everyone seems to think. Because we

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Speaker 2: all follow our favorite players every year, don't we. So

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Speaker 2: they just you know, to think of guys like Freddie

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Speaker 2: Couples who finished well, he never finished outside the top

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Speaker 2: fifty for how many years, like twenty something like years.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I think the great ones, you know right now, if

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Speaker 1: you look at the great players, Rory, Jon Rahm, Scutty Scheffler, know,

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Speaker 1: every all these great players across the board, they make

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Speaker 1: talking to a kid yesterday, Rummy, who's trying to play,

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Speaker 1: to him, you know, the holy grail of trying to

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Speaker 1: full status on DP World, Corn Faerry PJ Tour Live,

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Speaker 1: every single time you play, that constant struggle, R mean,

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Speaker 1: time all over the world. What's that like when you

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Speaker 1: get off to a bad start to the year, you

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Speaker 1: don't play good early, and then you're looking at your

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Speaker 1: schedule where you need some time off. You can't afford

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Speaker 2: And I think to add to that point as well,

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Speaker 2: Australia as well, the Tier twos which are one two

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Speaker 2: playing over four rounds is very different to just you know,

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Speaker 2: these pro ams are different beasts. I mean, you've got

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Speaker 2: the short straw, and they just start, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes golf just doesn't give it to you for whatever reason.

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Speaker 2: maybe Homer is probably experiencing that as well. I mean,

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Speaker 2: things just seem to go sideways. Unbenow, how do.

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Speaker 1: You how did you balance? For me? I mean, in

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Speaker 1: he made the decision to come over and play, you know,

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Speaker 1: You went through Q School, you qualified. Did you go

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Speaker 1: PGA Tour and think, Okay, I had a great career

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Speaker 1: had succeests in Asia, a success at home. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is this thing that I see players do sometimes say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna really try and make changes and really

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Speaker 1: That balance of just sticking with the game that got

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Speaker 1: the mind shift is from mean, okay, I've got to

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Speaker 1: now to contend to Augusta, I need to learn how

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Speaker 1: to draw it. So now I'm going to try and

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Speaker 1: learn and take my game to hit draws. Where got

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Speaker 1: me to win a major in the Players was hitting fait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's probably a case of expectations they

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Speaker 2: go up. In my case, I did change a few things.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I used the broomstick since two thousand and four.

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Speaker 2: it's the PGA Tour. I don't feel right using a broomstick.

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Speaker 2: No one uses a broomstick here, and I felt really

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Speaker 2: just felt I can't use a broomstick, So I stopped

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Speaker 2: using a broomstick. Like I finished second through the Q School,

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Speaker 2: I switched the short putter, and yeah, and literally hadn't

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Speaker 2: It just changed. You guys didn't feel comfortable using the broomstick.

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Speaker 2: that was just a massive error on my behalf. And

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Speaker 2: crazy error on my behalf at that point. But yeah, look, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's just it's just such such a tough game. It's

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Speaker 2: fourteen year old kid, Claude. You can take he wants

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Speaker 2: to be a hundromeit a sprinter. You can take some

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Speaker 2: muscle fiber out of his leg. You can test that DNA,

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Speaker 2: and then with that DNA you can say, look, man,

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Speaker 2: going to run a high nines maybe just maybe, but

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Speaker 2: And that's your lane. Stay in that lane because you're

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Speaker 2: not going to be a gold medal winner or a contender.

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Speaker 2: But the kid goes, yeah, okay, cool, I'll commit to that.

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Speaker 2: You know what, there's eight guys that rock up at

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Speaker 2: the Olympics. There's only two guys maybe one that's it's

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Speaker 2: game over for you, saying polit it's just like who's

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Speaker 2: running for second? So and maybe if he gets off

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Speaker 2: But the rest is just trying to run for PBS

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Speaker 2: and that's their goal. They're up parting that night running

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Speaker 2: a mark, right, So that's the heigh of their career

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Speaker 2: and they'll commit to that. So, but you can tell

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Speaker 2: unique for the fact that how do you tell someone, hey, mate,

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Speaker 2: a top eighty player. No one's going to take that

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Speaker 2: claude And if you do say that to them, You're

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Speaker 2: going to be fired in a hardbeat. Well, you can't

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Speaker 2: but you can't. Can't say that. So I got a

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Speaker 2: story where Bradley Dredge maybe two thousand and three. For him,

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Speaker 2: he had an unbelievable year and he played. He was

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Speaker 2: And I can kind of feel this when if you grab,

429
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: if you get someone to grab a golf club and

430
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: just grip it as tight as they can, like it's

431
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 2: literally just white knuckle it and put it out in

432
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: front of them. And if you were just to just

433
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: pull it six inches towards you, I can guarantee you

434
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: that with those people that grip it tight here, the

435
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: whole body will come towards you. But all you said

436
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: was just grip it tight in the hands, right, But

437
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: as they grip it tight in the hands, it goes

438
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: from the hands into the wrists, their forearms, their shoulders,

439
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 2: and everything locks in and they come towards it. They

440
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 2: can't grip it tight and then just loosen the up

441
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: of body. All you said was grip it tight in

442
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: the hands. So Mac had the ability to be able

443
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 2: to I think in terms, if he wanted to maintain

444
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: his pressure points, he could squeeze as much as he liked,

445
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 2: but his hands and id some softy. But I'm squeezing

446
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 2: the shit out of my pressure points in my arms.

447
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 2: Here he can get really tight with his hands but

448
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: then have the freedom of the flow. So when you

449
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: look at these guys that are trying to interpret the

450
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: information of pressure points and gripping at nine out of ten,

451
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: everything's so rigid and you watch them swing and they

452
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: just look, they just look stuck. Where Mac he just had.

453
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: This softness, beautiful fluid.

454
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you said to Mac, when people ask me, Rummy,

455
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 2: look what do you feel? Most importantly, what do you

456
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: feel when you chip? And I just simply say, I've

457
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: got the answer for you.

458
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: Right.

459
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: If you want to know the holy grab is shipping.

460
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: If you want to know rummy secret, I'll give it

461
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: to you right now, right give it to us, I'll

462
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: give it to you. So this is what I feel.

463
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: I feel nothing. So it is honestly, it's the Kung

464
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: Fu panda scroll where there's got to be the secret.

465
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: He finally against the scroll and looks at it, and

466
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: there's there's literally nothing on the scroll. And that's that's

467
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: the thing. Is like, when I move, I can articulate

468
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: what I do, but I can't tell you physically what

469
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: I feel because it becomes just like walking. It just

470
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 2: becomes this zen state of motion, like I hold in

471
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: my mind's eye a feeling of a shot in which

472
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: I just I've played it so many times. I just

473
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: draw on it, but I don't try and move anything

474
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: mechanically or differently.

475
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: It just moves.

476
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: If you want to walk a bit faster or change direction,

477
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: you just change directions. But that, to me, that was

478
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: where Mac sort of that's where his genius lay is.

479
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: His information is one thing, but then the neurological connection

480
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: between how he actually picture the movement then to move

481
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 2: it but without the actual activation. Wow, that was. That

482
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: was amazing, especially with these labers and how much compression

483
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: it would put on the golf ball and how effortless,

484
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: how effortless and off with the accelerations but the golf ball.

485
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: It was.

486
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: It was just amazing. So Mac was, Yeah, it was incredible.

487
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: I still think he should be inducting in the World

488
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.

489
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: You talked about I think most people would think that,

490
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean kind of one of your calling

491
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: cards as a player was your short game, your bunker work.

492
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if any tour player is ever around you,

493
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: they are going to try and pick your breath. I

494
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: mean anytime Scotty's around you, yeah, he's like, get me

495
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: in a bunker work at my bunker game. But Mac

496
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: is kind of renowned for full swing stuff. But I

497
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting what you said that the principles

498
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: that he talked about from a full swing standpoint, you

499
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: were able to kind of bring them into your short game.

500
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: What parts of what Mac was talking about in full

501
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: swing move moved from the full screen part over to

502
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: the short game part for you?

503
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: Well, I think, Sir Rabbit Warren. But I think in

504
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: terms of shifting the flights, in terms of the overtaking rates,

505
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: and like what moved when that was like really intriguing

506
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: to me in terms of the way he would shift

507
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: more open, he shifted his pressures in his feet, And

508
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 2: I think I think it was funny how like I

509
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: think Tiger said he feels everything in his hands, nothing

510
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: in his feet. Nicholas said, he feels everything in his

511
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: feet draws and fades, nothing in his hands. So I

512
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: think they're both perhaps not, they're not wrong, but they're

513
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: both not right for the fact that your hands or

514
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: your feet or should I say your hands better listen

515
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: to what your feet are doing. You know, so your

516
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: hands and your release is going to be very very

517
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 2: different to the pressures and how your feet are going

518
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: to move, So your hand's better listen to what's going on.

519
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: So Tiger just doesn't hit a stinger with a different

520
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: release pattern by not moving a shipload left and low

521
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: and then start to stall and then get the hell

522
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: out of the ground. So the high ones are different, right,

523
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: So and that's what I sort of found, Like Mac

524
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: was just talking about the correlation between the different release pads,

525
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: maybe with how fire your pressure points are going to shift,

526
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: how much you're going to be opening, how how little.

527
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, thought I thought that was that was fascinating

528
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: because I think when you chip around the green with

529
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: the most amount of loft, with the most exposed amount

530
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: of degree of slope as well, you start to learn

531
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: how to use the sandwich as well, and I think

532
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 2: my discovery just came from just working at it, you know, working,

533
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: working work and working just chipping for hours and hours

534
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: and hours.

535
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: So if someone had to rummy, if you had to

536
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: describe your short gain philosophy, right, because you're you're getting

537
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: into the coaching world now you're starting to kind of

538
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: do more of that. But you know, what you believe

539
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: is kind of good for short game is what well?

540
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: As I say, I've got two says like this, there's

541
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: not one technique for every shot, but every shot requires

542
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: a technique. And then for every way of doing something,

543
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: there's always someone out there contradicting it and maybe doing

544
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: it better or if not the same. So there's many

545
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: different ways. But for me, god, I'd say my philosophy

546
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 2: is that I don't it's very much tied into the

547
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: full swing. I think people it's very very bimechanical. I

548
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: don't really have a philosophy, but I'm very much down

549
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: the road that you definitely need to pay attention to

550
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: the slope and you definitely need to pay attention to

551
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: the flight, the intended flight that you're trying to play.

552
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: So my philosophy is like knowing what you will need

553
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 2: to change in order to hit those different flights. So

554
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: and it's you know, for me, there's so much to it.

555
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: My philosophy is that it's so deep and it's so

556
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: much of its sort of it's feel based as well

557
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: as technical, and my philosophy is that you need to

558
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: go through a bit of world of pain with a

559
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: technical element. I mean, I think that just there's it's

560
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: such such a short period of time. The golf club

561
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: better be in position because you're basically at P six,

562
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: so that pre delivery, like the full swing, you better

563
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: have some things lined up. And if you're not and

564
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: the golf club's out of balance and not in a

565
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: position to then release, then well you're going to feel

566
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: just as much out of time as what you would

567
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: having a longer swing coming down. If you've got a

568
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: bent plane line on your steet, the golf swing feels

569
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: like you've got no time and it's over in two seconds.

570
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: So chipping is just the same. So even though it's slower,

571
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: more condensed, and you think, well I should be able

572
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: to control of this handle, Nope, the brain's going to

573
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: know if that gold club's out of position, it is

574
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: going to try and fight the balance of the golf club.

575
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: So getting that thing in balance, I think is the

576
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: number one thing. I think people's philosophy for me is

577
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: changing maybe the perception of how that plubhead moves. It's

578
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: on the circumference. So yeah, So but my philosophy is

579
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: you teach the peopil. That's my philosophy is that they're

580
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: all different. And to think that's a one pill, that's

581
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: a one one answer fix, you knowin'.

582
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: So rather than talk about your philosophy, then when you

583
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: look at short games and you look at students and

584
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: you look at the the issues that they're having, are

585
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: there any kind of common things that you see on

586
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: a regular basis, both at the elite level that elite

587
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: players do with their short game that can cause some problems,

588
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: or just the average golfer listening to this podcast that

589
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: what do you see on a regular basis that people

590
00:30:52,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: are getting wrong or aren't doing that are causing bad shortcuts? Yep.

591
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: So people's concepts is that we've got to get the

592
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: golf club moving from the ground off the ground. So unfortunately,

593
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: the biomechanics we can cheat gode this in many different ways,

594
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: but definitely the way the right arm will band. I

595
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: can ether band it well. It can lift up and lower,

596
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: can move into adduction or abduction across my body this way,

597
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: it can go internal external this way, so my risk

598
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: can play the part as well. So people's concepts of

599
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: getting it up would probably definitely be more of a pull.

600
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: So the golf club's got to get up. It's such

601
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: a short motion, so they don't really use their thoracic

602
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: at all, and mainly it's more of an arm pole,

603
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: so it's handlebased.

604
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: Again, it's handlebased. They're focusing a lot on in short

605
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: game the grip and what the grip is doing to

606
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: sort of get the golf club up right. You've got

607
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: your hands on the grip. It's much more of coming

608
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: from the hands and the grip as.

609
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: A yeah, the arm, it's mainly just the arm. So

610
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: it's just more what I see is that the concept

611
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: because my hands are perpendicular. If my hand, if my

612
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: elbow happens to pull and this humorous moves towards my

613
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: seam line, then generally this left arm is going to

614
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: start to pull across their body because their perpendicular. So

615
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Scotty's if you google Adam Scott DTL on YouTube you'll

616
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: see kind of a man alta golf swing of Adam

617
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: Scott and that was probably the greatest golf swing. He's

618
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: probably hitting like a seven or eight im until part three,

619
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: probably the greatest demonstration. I think it's the greatest golf

620
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: swing I think has ever been put on a golf

621
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: club in the history of golf. That golf swing right there.

622
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: Study that so Scotty's arm will hinge, it will bend

623
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: up this way and was also left retracts the show

624
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: a little bit. And so what gets it up now

625
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: is his turn keeps that thing in front of him

626
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: and the arm will move back more towards his seam

627
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: line as he turns into a buff the way that

628
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: right arm will work in front of him as he

629
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: hinges and bends and lifts. It's not that so people

630
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: bend as soon as the elbows here, they'll have impact anxiety,

631
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: so they won't reverse it and try and now shift

632
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: the handle to have the chance of moving this handle

633
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: in front of the goal coort to either the low

634
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: point in front down. They leave it there, so I

635
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: cheek coat it and throw the hands back out. So

636
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: now that lines up vertically low point behind the gold call.

637
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: I now need to use my sternum to shift the

638
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: low point. So they will bend, they'll dump out, and

639
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: they'll stay inflection and move their sternum to shift their

640
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: low point. All the old boys do it. So and

641
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: that's the variance in which I see to a degree,

642
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: so where I'm actually hinging keeping this right arm or

643
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: in front of me, having more left side participation. So

644
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: even tho it's a short shot, it's really difficult to

645
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: get the thoracic the ribcage to be more the driving factor.

646
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we see a lot of people with

647
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: short game, you know, just on a basic chip frum mean,

648
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: they get that club so deep behind that right that

649
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 1: first move is that club works so far, the club head,

650
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: the arms, everything gets deep. They're trying to hit the

651
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: golf ball maybe five yards in the air. So now

652
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: you've got this massive move to where the arms have

653
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: moved massively behind the body, the shoulders can start to

654
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: almost turn off in a way. And then now in

655
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: a very very short time gap, you've now got to

656
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: get the club head which is massively behind you. Now

657
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: you've got to somehow shift that back in front. I

658
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: used to watch my Dad. I mean, I remember being

659
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: in Palm Springs when Mac was working with Sevy and

660
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: they were doing a lot. Sevy did all his short

661
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: game with fifty and six mob wedges should be outlawed, right.

662
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: He thought you should be able to take a fifty

663
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,959
Speaker 1: six movie. But I always remember in watching seve short game,

664
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: everybody always talks about how Spanish hands, how great Seb's

665
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: hands were. But when I watched a lot of Seveis

666
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: short game, there was a ton of body in it.

667
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: There was a lot of rotation, like you said, with

668
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: the upper torso, the upper torso is moving, and a

669
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: lot of my dad's short game stuff that he kind

670
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: of taught to Tiger and then Tiger put his spin

671
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: on it. A lot of that came from his work

672
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: with Greg Norman, and Greg said, listen, I learned all

673
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: my short game stuff from seven right. I always was

674
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: fascinated by how much Seve hit chops with his body. Yeah,

675
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 1: from chip shops. We're talking three four five yard five

676
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: paced chip chops. There was a lot of thoracic upper

677
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: torso movement and there wasn't a lot of hand movement,

678
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: but he was renowned for having these amazing hands. These

679
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: Spanish hands. Yeah, and I saw him do it more

680
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: with the body then I saw him do a lot

681
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: of it with his hands. Yes, he could hit the

682
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: flop and do all the stuff with his wrist action

683
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: and delivery.

684
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

685
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: But I used to watch him hit high flop shots

686
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: from a dead square club base with the fifty six

687
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: and these things were going straight up in the air

688
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: and coming down, and he was doing it with his body,

689
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: not his hands.

690
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that was large in part because of

691
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: his lower body. The way he actually orientate is his

692
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: left fema and his ability to then internally rotate his

693
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: trail pelvis. So that's and that's the massive key to sevvy.

694
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: So you square off that left fema like a goal shot.

695
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: You cooked. So, as I say to a lot of

696
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: the people here that I teach, it's a case of

697
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: I've been told to rotate my hips Claude since I

698
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: was eight years of age. I'm still hearing it now

699
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: on YouTube. But if I say to everyone, what exactly

700
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: what exactly are your hips and how exactly do your

701
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: hips rotate? Like I want to know exactly what your

702
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: hips are. If I asked the question to into the viewers, right, Like,

703
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: what exactly are your hips and how exactly do they rotate?

704
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: Because that's what I've been told that We've been told

705
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: rotat your hips? So how do I?

706
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: How do I?

707
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: What are they? So all we have is two pelvits, right, So, yeah,

708
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: you feel bone up in here, Well, it's just that bone.

709
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: It's not multiple bones. It's just one big pelvis. The

710
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: pelvis bone comes down, the FEMA or the federal head

711
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: attaches in there with ligaments and tendons and muscle fashion

712
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it. But yeah, we either

713
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: for mostly what I see is that when they for

714
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: most people, when they lock themselves in, we have the

715
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: hardest part with golf is that there's disassociation everywhere, massive

716
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 2: amounts of dissociation. And start to go to the club,

717
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: starts to dissociate for him being in front of us,

718
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: and then we start to fold their arms start to

719
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: work across a little bit. Then our thoracics starts to

720
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: rotate and disassociate from our pelvis. And then so if

721
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: I sort of rotate, I can sort of just keep

722
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: everything locked in and I can rotate my body with

723
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: no disassociation. But I'll be rotating around my knee. Now,

724
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: so the knee has maybe thirty forty degrees of rotation,

725
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: so you're only going to go so far with that,

726
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: and then the foot starts to given that aversion starts

727
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: to lift up. It's not rotating, there's no rotation in

728
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: the ankle joint, but starts to lift up. So then

729
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 2: there's no disassociation here. But it's all just coming around

730
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: that kneecap or. Sevy opened up his left fema quite considerably,

731
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: which then gave way for his trail pelvise. If you

732
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: just grab your left leg and then go internal external rotation,

733
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: if you internally rotate your left fema and max it

734
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: out and turn your left foot in and try and

735
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: rotate your pelvis around the corner.

736
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Can't do it, You're dead.

737
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: Can't do it. So when I just rotate our hips,

738
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: so we internally rotate our pelvis. So by Seve externally rotating,

739
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: he went from let's say we've got thirty degrees of

740
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: internal rotation. If I go now out forty five just

741
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: with the pelvis not rotating my hips, I'm just going

742
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: to go externally rotation with the left female, I will

743
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: now have seventy five degrees. Pretty much with my trial

744
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: pelvis being able to now rotate around that federal head.

745
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: That's what Sevi did in a nutshell.

746
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: Do you think sometimes players in short game rummy to

747
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: dumb that down can get to square with their set

748
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: up kind of a set right. Their lower body and

749
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: their upper body are very very square, and that's why

750
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: they're conscious about fact that the shot they're hitting is

751
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: very very small. So they're trying to lock in that

752
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: lower body. But the lower body is in a very

753
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: very square position. So now as the body comes as

754
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: the club comes in, you're trying to not move the

755
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: lower body, not move the upper body, and then the

756
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: club dumps out because the body is in a position

757
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: to where it can do anything.

758
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's where, if anything, maybe Tiger's

759
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: Achilles hill was, maybe that thirty forty meter range where

760
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: I just think, you know, just having your left foot

761
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: back doesn't mean that you're going to clear any better.

762
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: If you turn that forty and thirty degrees, you can

763
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: go forty five degrees open your pearls Ain's still going

764
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: to rotate. You gotta be locked. It doesn't matter how

765
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: open you get. If you internally rotate that FEMA and

766
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: you run that in you're jammed, So I go closed

767
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: off more open. Then you'll actually have that freedom to

768
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: be able to now use your pealp so you'll have

769
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: what like thirty degrees. Your thrusting really go so far.

770
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: Once you run out of that room, your pressure points

771
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: now are going to be over there. So you can

772
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: do it Steve Stricker and literally move everything out of it.

773
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: I got my pajamas on, so I can't stand up,

774
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: so you can start to move everything in your tilts.

775
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: So he lines everything else up out of the goal shot.

776
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: So you can do that if you have that collision.

777
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: Now start to level out this way. If you're trying

778
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: to stain your tilts and move around the corner. If

779
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: you don't have that mobility or that structure of your pelvise,

780
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: then you're able to maintain your pressure points into this

781
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: realm just here and pivot. So it's very Yeah, it's

782
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: very It's not overly complicated. But for those that would

783
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: struggle to have the internal rotation, then yeah, that can

784
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: be that can be an issue if you lose that

785
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: internal rotation. So I'll suggest if you're early, you'd want

786
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: to really start to open that up to have that

787
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: ability to be able to now move your pelvise, which

788
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 2: now obviously moves your thorastic It's not just a thoracic

789
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: rotation with a dead low body. And that's where Sebbe

790
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: was really low. It wasn't he Sevi. He got low

791
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: and like left foot flat and got really down and

792
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: then you can move through it with that internal rotation

793
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: of the trial pelvis. So yeah, it's just genius at it.

794
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about something that I think you are a

795
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: unicorn at bunker play, Romie. Why do you think for

796
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: the majority of golfers getting out of a bunker is

797
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: so difficult? Do you think it's concept, do you think

798
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: it's technique? Do you think it's a combination. But it's

799
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: the one thing that I think the majority of people

800
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast would hold their hand up and

801
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: say they've struggled with their entire career or their entire game.

802
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: It's a part of their game. Yeah, that is never consistent.

803
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?

804
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: Look, it's it's going to be for me. I can't

805
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: I can't throw an exact reason for a blanket reason

806
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: for all the viewers. It's not a as I say,

807
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: it's it's hard for me to sell clickbit on YouTube

808
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: for that fact is that it's going to be up

809
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 2: to the individualized to what that's all about. But I think,

810
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: I think maybe the concepts and the perception of digging

811
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 2: the golf club out of the ground when that release

812
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: point throws out, the hanging back, the high lip, there's

813
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: lots of things here that the concept of getting up

814
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: the ball out or lofted is generally it's a it's

815
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: a hang back, it's a it's a flick of the wrist.

816
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: And then of course the last thing you can do

817
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: is hold your wrist angles and feel as though you

818
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: want to move down, have chaff lean, have a low

819
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: point that's in front of the golf ball, and have

820
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: the golf ball go this way. It makes no sense.

821
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: It's just to me, if I'm a logical person that's

822
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: never played golf before, man, I'm going back this way

823
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: and I'm flicking this thing.

824
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: Up because optically you're trying to I think part of

825
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: the reason I've over the years, Ronnie, have seen players

826
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: struggle is optically they're trying to get they see a

827
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: lip in front of them, the ball is on the ground, optically,

828
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: they're trying to get the golf ball up. So if

829
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: we gave them a ball and told them to throw

830
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: the ball underhanded, there are would move in an upward

831
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: motion in it. The higher they wanted to throw it,

832
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: the more their spine would tilt back and the more

833
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: their arm would go up. But that is the death

834
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: move in the bunker because then your low point is

835
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: bobbing out massively behind the ball. So give me some

836
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: cheat codes for people listening of things that they can

837
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: try to help their bunker game become more concerned. One

838
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: of the things that I love and for everybody listening,

839
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: you can go on YouTube and watch RTT hit bunker shots.

840
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: Your tempo and rhythm in a bunker is I've never

841
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: seen anyone have that, and it reminds me of a conversation.

842
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean one your sound out of a bunker. I

843
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: mean I've watched you hit for twenty some more years now.

844
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: I've watched you hit bunker shots both online and in person.

845
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: But the sound that you create is very, very different.

846
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: It's very unique and it's very consistent. And I was

847
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: watching Ben Crenshaw, I worked at the Austin Golf Club

848
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five in Austin, Texas, and I

849
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: was watching Ben talk to someone about putting, and this

850
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: guy was putting from fifteen twenty feet and it was

851
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: remarkable to me how many times Ben said, that's a

852
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: good sound. There's a good sound. There was a good sound.

853
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: We know that in a full shot, right, there's a

854
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: seven iron feel. There's a seven iron sound when you

855
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: hit a good one. But Ben Crenshaw talked about hitting

856
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: good pups and he talked about the audio part of that,

857
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: where that was a good sound. Your bunker shots have

858
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: always had a very unique So why is that? And

859
00:45:54,560 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: what can players take from rhythm and tempo in a

860
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: bunker that can help them so and.

861
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: That's going to come down to length as well, So

862
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: I mean, at a minimum you want to be going

863
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: to vertical on both sides in terms of the sound.

864
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: Bob Vok that was his genius. He had come over

865
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: for two weeks before the British Open. He'd be out

866
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: at Loch Plowman and he'll be listening to the sound.

867
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: So he hit a few chip shots and while you

868
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: be there talking about yeah, I feel this and I

869
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: like to feel that, he would just say, give that

870
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: to me, I'll be back in five minutes. Off he'll go.

871
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: He'll do some grind to come back. Give it to you.

872
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: He hit some shots. Wow, that feels faster, It feels better.

873
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 2: But he would listen to the soundbob in the sand.

874
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: Same thing, just old school genius where there's no numbers,

875
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: know nothing, but he could tell one of two things

876
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: that when you're in the bunker room, when you're swinging

877
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: your sand wedge in the sand, just have some practice wings.

878
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 2: The sands should feel one of two things. It should

879
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: feel light is the first, and then the sandwaves should

880
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: feel fast through the sand. They are the two things.

881
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: They are the two key elements that you want to

882
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: start to pay attention to. So if it starts to

883
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: slow down and the sand feels heavy, could be technique.

884
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: Could be also the other thing where the bounce, and

885
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: it might not be suited for the actual sand. So

886
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: if you don't have much bounce and it's quite a heavy,

887
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: heavy sand surface, then we're sure even trying to like

888
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: come back in there and like expose the bounce or

889
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: I have to expose it too much, but still you

890
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: might have that draggy, heavy sensation where it's slowing down.

891
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: But it should feel like you're lighting a match, you know,

892
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: just see it out. So I used to do a

893
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: thing like the line drill was fantastic.

894
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that online. It's really good. But explain

895
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: that one.

896
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: So, and that's basically just entering the sand at the

897
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: front point of the line that you will actually draw

898
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: into sound you want to be taken.

899
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: So just draw a straight line, you know. Imagine you're

900
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: hitting a shot where the ball would.

901
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: Be yep, and you basically just scour one line. So

902
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: you just grab your sandwich basically of your soul and

903
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: just drag it in the sand. Get quite heavy. So

904
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: obviously the wider the channel that you will actually scribe

905
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: into the sand, obviously the easier it's going to be.

906
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: But you basically want to start get the ball position

907
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: on your sternum or the line should I say, which

908
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,479
Speaker 2: is going to be almost the reference to the ball,

909
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: but then just start to swing. As you swing. Gary player,

910
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: the step through drill genius, just fantastic of playing a

911
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: shot and literally just stepping through and walking towards the target.

912
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: That's really good for your sequence of actually getting the

913
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: arms down and then you pressure out of the ground

914
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: and go. So if the arms go too soon you

915
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: leave the body behind, you feel that disconnection. If your

916
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: body goes too soon you leave the arms behind, you

917
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: feel that disconnection. But the line drill is fantastic for

918
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: just that flow of the length and the continuous flow

919
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: and energy of just taking the line back and forth,

920
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: and the idea of.

921
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: And for people listening Romie, when you've got the line

922
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: in the sand, you want your impact to be forward

923
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: of the line, not behind the.

924
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: Line, basically right on the edge of the forward channel

925
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: right there at that point. And what you're looking for

926
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: is a depth of consistency. Let's say you might hit

927
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: twenty shots in a row where you just want to

928
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: walk through. You're looking at the depth that wants to

929
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: remain the same, and there's also a width there's a splash.

930
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a like a rugby American football

931
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: sized dibit where they kind of look like a little

932
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: bit of that kind of you know, oval kind of shape.

933
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: Speed wise from mean, I think so many golfers that

934
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: I see I always say the concept is the ball

935
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: is in the bunker, so it's my dad always says

936
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: it's easier shot in golf because you're not hitting the ball,

937
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: you're hitting the sand. Yeah, but I think that players

938
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: forget that because we're not kitting the ball. We're hitting

939
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: saying you've got to make a big enough swing with

940
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: enough speed to get the sand out of the bunker.

941
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: So if you're hitting shots in the sand, that you're

942
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: just at a practice swing with no ball. If the

943
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: sand's not getting out of the bunker, yes, the ball's

944
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: not going to be getting out of the bunker. Length

945
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: of backswing running on bunker shots is there a I

946
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: know it's player dependent. I know everybody's different, but yeah,

947
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: as is generalization. Do you see backswings where people struggle

948
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: to where they don't make a big enough backswing or

949
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: do you see players making too big of a backskin.

950
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: Well, I think it just depends on the rhythm. So

951
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 2: the rhythm actually has to be instagrat it's a shorter

952
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: swing for a particular length, then the tempo just has

953
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: to be up tempoed in the backswing. I think too

954
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: many people around the greens, they've got a particular speed

955
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: in which they swing back in and it's always that

956
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 2: slow tempo. And then if it's a short, shorter shot,

957
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: that kind of matches that tempo so they don't over accelerate,

958
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 2: but if it goes back slow like like that slow

959
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: deliberate swing, but they're trying to get a loft of

960
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: golf club further, the rhythm and tempo is really important

961
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: for the fact that if you now over accelerate because

962
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: you know you don't have the energy or the actual

963
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: momentum in the backswing, that's when you'll have that extra

964
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: grab or that extra and then you really lean.

965
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the other thing that chaffleen

966
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: in the full swing is for the majority of the

967
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: higher handicapped golfers listening to this part, chaffleen is the

968
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: holy grail right to compress your irons right. You've talked

969
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: about Macogrady had great iron compression. To be a great

970
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: iron player, you've got to have, you know, that handle

971
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: leading forward, the club coming in last. But I remember

972
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: going out to TPI and with Greg and Dave Phillips,

973
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: and they were looking at kind of release patterns for

974
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: short game, so that full swing pattern to where if

975
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: you're on three D, the lower body starts the downswing,

976
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: then the upper body, then the arms, than the golf club.

977
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: They were saying when they put players in the best

978
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: chippers in the world and the best bunker players in

979
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: the world, and they put them on three D in

980
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: it was the opposite. The arms and club were firing first,

981
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: the body second. I think what you said there for

982
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: the average golfer is they make in a bunker, they

983
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: make a short backswing. Their internal GPS knows they don't

984
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: have enough energy to do this. Now they try and

985
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: put the speed in on the downswing and then they

986
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: get chef lean in the bunker, which is the death move.

987
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: My grandfather did an article I think he was on

988
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: the cover of Golf Digests in the seventies. He grew

989
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: up at wingfoot. I mean he was the head pro

990
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: at wing foot. Deep bunker's huge highlight. His thing was

991
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: learn to get out of the bunker with one hand,

992
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: right handed. So he had my death and all the

993
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: boys get one handed, right handed bunker shots. And I

994
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: think if you do that, that's a great way for

995
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: you to feel the length, but also the rhythm and

996
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: the speed. Do you feel there is a pattern in

997
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: left or right hands in bunkers. Do you think it

998
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: is a more right handed steal if you're a right

999
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: handed player or what role do you feel the left

1000
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: hand in bunker's rummy play Not much.

1001
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: I feel it's more. I feel it's more to pivot

1002
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: definitely like the setting. Yeah, sure the hand's going to hinge.

1003
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: But for me, once I throw this thing back out again,

1004
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: my left side is saying relatively in position, shoulder remains

1005
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 2: in position. I say's in position. It's the pivot that's

1006
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: going to take it around. But again, and.

1007
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: The pivot comes from the upper body rummy or the

1008
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: lower body in the bunker.

1009
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: It's a combination, but you need that you need the

1010
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: lower body set in a position where the pervise can

1011
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: internally rotate for the upper body to then be able

1012
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: to move through it as well. But I always say

1013
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: that the the bunker action is like the is the

1014
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: soul of the gold swing. For me, there's lots of

1015
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: there's lots of nuggets within the bunker action in terms

1016
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: of the lateral the ground force that you start to use.

1017
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 2: I did some stuff on the smart to move plates.

1018
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: I'm up at somewhere around about one hundred and near

1019
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty one percent of my as a

1020
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: body weight percentage force out of the ground. There's lots,

1021
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: you know, for a longer bunker shot, so so there's

1022
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: no ground force in bunkers. Yeah, for certain shots, yes,

1023
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: I would probably say that's a myth. Shorter bunker shots

1024
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: you won't be getting as much out, but still you

1025
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: need to be able to use that body that pivot.

1026
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: And I feel as I was more right arm for

1027
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: me within the motion. So if this arm sort of

1028
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: stores and wants to move more internal, you're kind of cooked.

1029
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: So for me, I go more external, keep it external,

1030
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: So I now need to move it more down in

1031
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: front of me with my pivot and start to throw out.

1032
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: So in terms of shifting your low point up, your

1033
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: right humors here can actually play its part by moving

1034
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: more across the body, so I don't need to use

1035
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 2: my body to pivot. But if I go this way

1036
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: and go that way, now that's more leading edge down,

1037
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: so you kind of got no chance from there, so

1038
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: being able to move the more more of the arm

1039
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: down and lengthen out and straightened with the pivot. But

1040
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: this arm's got to start to fire. But when they

1041
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: say get the arms down, it's not get the arms

1042
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: down and do this. I'm trying to keep this left pole. Yes,

1043
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: trying to keep this left up my arms. Yes, so

1044
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: this actually has its own circumference right here. So what

1045
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: gets the golf club up can be yes, bit of

1046
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 2: the hinge my arm bending stead right right there can

1047
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: go up to nearly what nearly hundred and eighty degrees,

1048
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: So I mean bending my arm that's getting the golf

1049
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: club up. My arm lifts as it comes back down again,

1050
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: I better start to straighten this out to get that

1051
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: handle back down to pivot through. So this wants to

1052
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: stay up. You're cooked. And that's where most people live,

1053
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: is they live in this world here?

1054
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1055
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, that's trying to expose the leading edge with

1056
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 2: a spine angle that's now tilted, with an arm that's

1057
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: internally rotated, and then you're just basically now just shoveling

1058
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: it out because they got to get it down. But

1059
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 2: that's that's like a common that's a common area, isn't

1060
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: it with most things?

1061
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: Ball positioned Ronny, any cheap code that you see in

1062
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: a bunker from a ball position standpoint, I mean, I

1063
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: tend to see players over the course of you know,

1064
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: a year in the bunker have the golf fall too

1065
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: far back in their stands.

1066
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: Yep. I sometimes too far forward, but it's just your stone.

1067
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: If you think about the arc and you get these

1068
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: arms back down again, just keep it draw that. Basically, yes,

1069
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: it can be like one ball in front of your sternum,

1070
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: but you have to understand that loft is loft and

1071
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: you can't add to it. So loft is loft, you

1072
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: can't add to it. So by having it up this

1073
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: way too far, if you can get your right arm

1074
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: moving and keep it moving, moving, moving, moving, and hold

1075
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: this wrist angle, you can throw out. Later it's going

1076
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: to get to a point because my arm is it

1077
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,439
Speaker 2: moves across from a hinging point that starts to move

1078
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: above the ground. That's only a point where you can

1079
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: get this right arm extended and throw out until that

1080
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: arm everything you can't you can't get the ground at

1081
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 2: a point that keeps going. So having it too far

1082
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: forward and then people trying to get to it that

1083
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: way is the death move that starts to move it

1084
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: that way. So just having it here in your sternum,

1085
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: open up that face, keep your sent as centered, and

1086
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: then just try and return it back to your center

1087
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: and just understand that that loft is what it's generating.

1088
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: The lift, it's not. It's not the interpretation of the

1089
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: ball position. Why up here and then hanging back or

1090
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: you know, trying to hit down on it because the

1091
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: ball position is back now I'm going to hit down

1092
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: on it. That's not the case. I just want to

1093
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: hit through it, not not down at it, per se.

1094
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: I want to hit through it, not And yes, we're

1095
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: having like this, we're taking some sand down. But if

1096
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: I bury my feet in and I come down two inches,

1097
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: if I just basically I'm hovering the golf club, if

1098
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: I just come back down and just extend to where

1099
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: my low point should be, if you think about it,

1100
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: if I'm standing on grass, my devit goes underneath pretty

1101
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: much where I stand. If I bury myself down to

1102
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: the ground, I'm not even going underneath where I'm actually

1103
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: burying myself into. It's probably only getting back to level,

1104
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 2: isn't it. So but you better get this thing just

1105
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: passing through the sand. At least hit through it. So yeah,

1106
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 2: and you're not trying to lift it up. It's yeah.

1107
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: Look it's you kind of For me, I kind of

1108
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 2: have to get into the actual individual's mindset and see

1109
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: what is what is difficulty is in terms of like

1110
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: what his pattern is before you can actually make some

1111
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: significant change to that individual. But there's definitely some some

1112
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: key concepts there that you probably take away that would

1113
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: definitely help you.

1114
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: Bunkering wedge set up from a bounce standpoint for the

1115
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: golfer's out there, Ronnie, what do you use for a

1116
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: lag edge out of a bunker and is there kind

1117
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,479
Speaker 1: of a love weedge or sand wedge that is going

1118
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: to be versatile for the average golfer, But your lob

1119
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: wedge and your sandwich bounce wise, what grind do you play?

1120
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: What do you like? And then what do you think

1121
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: are some bounce grind configurations that could help players?

1122
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 2: I think, universally, I think the Vokey eight degree M

1123
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: the m grant in the sixty I think that is

1124
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: universally just a fairly stock stand and go to for

1125
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: I'd say ninety percent of the touring pros that are

1126
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: out there across the board. So it's got a slightly wider,

1127
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: wider soul with a obviously with the ribbon taken off

1128
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 2: the back, that's perfect. I use a a grind which

1129
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: is just basically it's a bit of old school. This

1130
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: is a this is actually an old This is actually

1131
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 2: ninety ninety six, actually finny enough, fifty six to eleven.

1132
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: That was ground. So that's basically my soul right there.

1133
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: So that's in an a grind. There's no ribbon, it's

1134
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: just a flat square literally nineteen seventies grind. So but

1135
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: the K grind Star was quite impressive. I just used

1136
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: that recently. That was an awesome grind. I don't mind

1137
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 2: the T in a four. But I think also as well,

1138
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: it's horses for courses, isn't it. But a lot of

1139
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: the members we've got a course here Lake carrying up

1140
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: in Perth. The bunkers are notoriously firm, and yeah, the

1141
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: pro shop shouldn't stock a sand wedge that's above a

1142
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: four degree te, simple as that. But I'm a twenty

1143
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: four handicapper, yep, use this te so that's going to

1144
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 2: give yourself the best opportunity to get out of this bunker.

1145
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: So I think I think for the average player or

1146
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: the you know, the players that are off higher handicaps,

1147
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: they can have some really good technique around the greens

1148
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: as well. Like I think really just depends not so

1149
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: much your handicap, but how you feel your game sits

1150
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: within your actual handicap, like how you actually how diverse

1151
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: you are around the greens or whatever it may be.

1152
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: Just because you're playing for higher handicap, it doesn't mean

1153
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: that you're not proficient around the greens. So I think

1154
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: sometimes you can four. I've actually coached a lot of

1155
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: players playing off eighteen that ship exceptionally well with a

1156
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: four degree bounce. But if you took the number off

1157
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: it and just gave them the sandwich and just said

1158
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: chip this, they go, wow, that that feels amazing. Yeah,

1159
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 2: I'll use that. And you say that's four degrees bounce

1160
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: and they go, oh my god, I'm using four degrees.

1161
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: So and then they got in their head that they're

1162
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: using no bounce. It's not that it doesn't have any bounce,

1163
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: it's just that it's less, but it doesn't make it

1164
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: any more effective. So but yeah, definitely, if you're a

1165
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: bit more of a link and you're a bit more

1166
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: down on it than sure, yeah you can get away

1167
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: with more balance. But Terry Gale actually a legend Perth

1168
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: Golf a year, played in Japan and all over the

1169
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: players one in Europe on the seniors, and he's won

1170
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:17,479
Speaker 2: over sixty tournaments. But he came down to raw Perth

1171
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: and we're chipping off a fairly bare lie. But he

1172
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: had an old golden ram I think it was. But

1173
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: that golden ram, honestly car that must have had it

1174
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: looked like twenty degrees a bounce on it, and he

1175
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: had his hands way forward off this firm. Why it

1176
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: was just chopping down on this thing, old school, you know,

1177
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: just elbow Paul and just had this really choppy low

1178
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 2: ball spinningched like kemny really low. Once he's done it.

1179
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: Spin it.

1180
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must have been like forty degrees of dynamic

1181
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 2: life just jamming this thing, playing to a short pin,

1182
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: but just gave him a voki. Yeah, you could definitely

1183
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 2: get a lot more versatile with it, but that was

1184
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: just he was just an old school and that's just

1185
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: how he chipped. And yeah, he's sort of like he

1186
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: really struggled with the new technology going like less of

1187
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: a bounce. So it's a bit of technique. So if

1188
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: you want to change your bound to change your technique.

1189
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you don't want to

1190
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: do it, you're gonna have to find the right bounce.

1191
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: For you on you. Lastly, Romi is kind of one

1192
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: of the guys that kind of grew up with Adam

1193
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: Scott and stuff like that Australian golf. What do you

1194
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: think about where the Australian golf is right now? What

1195
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: do you think about this crop of young players coming

1196
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: out of Australia and then you know the guys that

1197
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: are still doing Adam Scott, you know Cam Smith, these

1198
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: type of guys. I mean, Scotty's career has been I

1199
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: think just such an amazing example of just yeah, class elegance. Yeah,

1200
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: but he's golf swing, his technique, he's still playing great

1201
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: golf at this age. It's amazing it is.

1202
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: And look he's giving back. He's I think he's the

1203
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: only Cam Smith does a great job with Australian golf too.

1204
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: He comes back and plays and he's given his time

1205
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: and he's his expertise to a lot of the young

1206
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: kids coming through. His programs with Golf Australia are amazing.

1207
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 2: And I think Scotty he's come back and played just

1208
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: about every single year in Australia. So that's a full

1209
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 2: credit to Scotty what he's given back to the game

1210
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 2: here in Australia. He's been a tremendous role model. So

1211
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: guys like Min Wou that are coming through, you know,

1212
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: just a phenomenal talent. Perth boy as well, so played

1213
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 2: a bit of golf with men before he turned phenomenal athlete,

1214
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 2: incredible golfer and also cracking lad as well. Gives back

1215
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: to the game. Just loves life and I think, you know,

1216
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: for Scotty, he was a bit more of the old

1217
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 2: school gentleman, always has been, and I think Min Wu

1218
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 2: is probably the next gen that's just coming through. I mean,

1219
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 2: I don't the social media side, and I've probably missed

1220
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 2: that that evolutionary sort of trend in in in the

1221
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 2: progression of yeah, how God has played these days, but

1222
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: and how it's promoted. So he's doing a great job

1223
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: with that as well, just exposing the game. But I mean,

1224
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: the golf is fantastic here in Australia. But I think

1225
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 2: there's a bit of a disconnect between We've had a

1226
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: lot of players that have transitioned. You know, your Stuart

1227
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: Appleby's your Robert Allenby's your nic ohearns your guy, Your

1228
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 2: Peter Lonard's Steven I go, Yeah, Stephen Leani's guy there's

1229
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: so many of them that on a world scale sort

1230
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: of took their promising abot Koreas to that next level

1231
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: and then competed on major stages all around the world.

1232
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 2: So I think maybe there's just a bit of a

1233
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 2: disconnect at the moment. There's been a few that have

1234
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 2: that have come through and have sort of kicked on,

1235
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: But for the quality of talent that's here in Australia,

1236
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: I think there's just a slight question mark as to

1237
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 2: why or how. Maybe the just the general competition around

1238
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 2: the world is just is just lifting and doors are

1239
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: becoming less and less then yes, just becoming harder together

1240
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 2: to get you with the door. So but there's some

1241
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: crazy talent, but just for whatever reason, they're just they're

1242
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 2: just not quite translating to that to that next step

1243
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 2: at the moment. So but I'm sure there'll be the

1244
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 2: We've always produced some incredible talent one our weather and

1245
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: the fact that we can play year round, so I

1246
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: think that's a huge contributor.

1247
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: And the golf courses we mean, I think the golf

1248
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: courses you have down in Australia contribute to the type

1249
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: of players that have come out of Australia because the

1250
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: golf courses in you know, the really good sand Belt

1251
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: golf courses down in Alls are very very different than

1252
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: the average European Tour event, the Asian Tour event, and

1253
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: then you know the golf we play in the US

1254
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: and the PGA Tour. I mean you couldn't you know,

1255
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: Memorial couldn't be any different than the sand Belt golf courses, right,

1256
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a completely different an animal.

1257
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: An old school East Coast US Open type golf course

1258
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: is very different than the golf courses all the guys

1259
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: grew up in that have come out of Australia.

1260
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think as well, it's probably not in

1261
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: Australia that doesn't have a good short game or is

1262
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: not profession around the greens. So and I think that

1263
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 2: in terms of Europe, a lot of the grass is

1264
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: cut very close to the edges, so the ball runs through,

1265
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: you don't really have those runoffs that's going twenty thirty

1266
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: off a real hard pan Lie idea. So I think

1267
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 2: you really need to learn how to use the balance.

1268
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 2: I think from an educational perspective, I think there's some

1269
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: amazing coaches in Australia. I think that's probably to back

1270
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: that up is one thing I think Melbourne gets a

1271
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 2: little bit. I think the only problem is they get

1272
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: a little bit with the grass that they playoff, which

1273
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 2: is Cooch for the majority, gets a little bit one dimensional,

1274
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: same as Queenslanders. I think Queenslanders are probably the only

1275
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: ones that probably get a bit one dimension with it

1276
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: chipping because the grass there is so graining to be

1277
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: a little bit more diverse with your technique is tough

1278
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 2: to do. But they're normally absolute ball strikers. We have

1279
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 2: some of the best players coming out of Queensland that

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01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: are just absolutely just balld errors. Perth is probably a

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Speaker 2: great combination of both where we have the carqu and

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Speaker 2: the couch, so we have a probably fifty to fifty

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Speaker 2: blend of growing up on two variants which are very

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Speaker 2: very different and probably fairly, you know what, pretty close

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Speaker 2: to most grass as a blend that you play around

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Speaker 2: the world. So I think for I think that's probably

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Speaker 2: advantage in Perth is that we've got some really really

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Speaker 2: nice chipping areas in which and grasses that we can

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Speaker 2: chip off of that are difficult but still allows you

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Speaker 2: to be creative and not so much one dimensional. So

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Speaker 2: I think Melbourne just has that one grass gets a

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Speaker 2: bit one dimensional. If they come across here to Perth

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Speaker 2: and play off the kaks, like what the hell is

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Speaker 2: this stuff? They go to queens, they do the same

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Speaker 2: things like what is this stuff? So yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: Australia is quite unique. And when you start to play

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Speaker 2: around Australia, you start to work these blends out, these

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Speaker 2: different variances. So yeah, it kind of just gets you

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Speaker 2: ready just to go out there. And yeah, there's no

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Speaker 2: real there's no surprises out of the big bad world,

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Speaker 2: so none that we sort of can't handle anyway.

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Speaker 1: Well, R mean, I mean we could. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: could spend another four hours talking about all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really cool that you're you're taking kind

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Speaker 1: of your knowledge from you know, a very very distinguished

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Speaker 1: and very successful playing career and kind of giving that

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Speaker 1: information to the next generation of golfers in your coaching career.

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Speaker 1: So and then we could do another podcast just on

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Speaker 1: cycling and bikes and stuff like that. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Brett always great to talk to you, and best of

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Speaker 1: luck and for everyone listening. Follow Brett on on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You will see some disgustingly wicked short game shots that

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Speaker 1: he pulls off both indoors and out Yours, Ronny, thanks

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Speaker 1: for talking to us Clode, some of which comes to

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Speaker 1: you almost every week. Thanks everyone for listening.