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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woof woof? And them and tie?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the clibverbal, Boys and girls. My name

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Speaker 1: is Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there in

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Speaker 1: beautiful Chicago, land One. The only I keep saying the incomparable.

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Speaker 1: I really mean it. Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how are you today? Good?

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Speaker 2: I I played tennis last night, I had my black

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Speaker 2: coffee this morning. I iced my arm both last night

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Speaker 2: there you're talking mash up mixed type music, but it

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Speaker 2: was still a fun time. I had some Chick fil

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Speaker 2: Not a sponsor could be if they wanted to be.

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Speaker 2: What kind of sauce did you go with? Honey mustard?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the right it's the right play.

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Speaker 2: I got a spicy chicken sandwich, which the spice didn't

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Speaker 1: See some nuggies, it's very inconsistent. If I'm being honest.

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Speaker 1: The heat, the heat level, right heat level. Sometimes you

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Speaker 2: I don't need a lot of fast food, but Chick

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Speaker 2: doing the PAC twelve North today, I promise you this.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring the spice, bringing the spice. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: Come on, ty, you behind just use the word click,

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Speaker 1: Just use the word gel. I feel excellent about Joe Morehead,

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Speaker 2: Be the reality where special quarterbacks can run the table.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, well we'll get We'll get to that schedule

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Speaker 2: to Noah Sewell, the younger brother of Pine Sewel, who

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Speaker 2: Two of those guys in the secondary were just arrested,

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Speaker 1: Well moving forward than looking at the road ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, by the way, I mentioned a lot of the offense,

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Speaker 2: But you're right, I mean at Stanford. While I'm not

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Speaker 1: That's going to be crazy tough and at Utah is

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Speaker 2: But it's a focus thing. It's an injury luck thing.

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Speaker 2: to need to check off three to four things of Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're limiting explosive plays, we're getting after and I'm speaking

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Speaker 2: But Oregon's built to win that game, just not more

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Speaker 2: often than not. The over under per Vegas is nine.

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Speaker 2: It feels low to me.

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Speaker 1: Nine wins. It feels really low to me.

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Speaker 1: We saw four games last year they went three to one.

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think there are things that they clearly,

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Speaker 2: I think Dylan Morris is fine at quarterback. I don't

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Speaker 2: I expect Washington with a really good secondary, a good

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, And speaking bally about the defense again, I

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, I mean, if you remember that Stanford game

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Speaker 2: of I regret that visual immediately they stomped them. Stanford

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00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 2: was not a particularly electric, exciting team. There wasn't a

434
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Speaker 2: lot of threat to Stanford last year, and they said

435
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Speaker 2: we're going to run right at Washington and that's what

436
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: won them the game. So yeah, Washington certainly needs to

437
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: be a little bit more stout and needs to wrap

438
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: up better, but they recruited well enough in the trenches

439
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: where they have the bodies to do, so I think

440
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: a full offseason will be helped in that regard. Just

441
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 2: get getting those dudes reps in fall camp and you know,

442
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: getting getting their hands dirty. So I think Washington will

443
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: improve on the ground for sure, and I think they can.

444
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: They can win the division even if the run defense

445
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: isn't dramatically dramatically better. But they will lose a game

446
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 2: if it's not that they probably shouldn't. So the over

447
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: under for Washington is also nine games per Phil Steele,

448
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: again fifty eighth most difficult schedule. They follow a template

449
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: here in that they also play a big ten power

450
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Speaker 2: power in quotes on.

451
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Speaker 1: The road in week two Power Brand. Power Brand the

452
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Speaker 1: Michigan Wolverines go in ann Arbor September the eleventh. As

453
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Speaker 1: they look across this schedule, it seems like much much

454
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Speaker 1: smoother sailing. They do get organ at home, as I

455
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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, they also get UCLA at home, which could

456
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Speaker 1: be a tricky game. Aren't any games on here that

457
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: I look at road games anyway? And I say, wow,

458
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: that's that's a very losable game. Like they're not going

459
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: to lose the Oregon State at least they shouldn't. They

460
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't lose to this version of Arizona or Stanford. They

461
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't lose to Colorado. They're better than all of those teams.

462
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean they won't drop a dumb one, but at

463
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: least on paper now early August, it seems like this

464
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Speaker 1: sets up pretty well for Washington to lose one, maybe

465
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Speaker 1: two games at most, you think so, I do, Okay.

466
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Speaker 2: I think you're a little bit higher on the Huskies

467
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: than I am, which is fine.

468
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Speaker 1: The only spot on the schedule, if I'm being fair, Okay,

469
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: the only spot in the schedule where there could be

470
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Speaker 1: some issues. I think that the sum of the back

471
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: half is very tricky. Oregon and ASU on back to

472
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: back weeks in Husky Stadium that will be a tough

473
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Speaker 1: one too. But outside it like they're just aren't a

474
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: whole lot of gauntlets here and the road schedule is

475
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: very easy.

476
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I hear you. So it's UCLA coming off

477
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: of bye week at home. That's nice because I think

478
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Speaker 2: you Sela is going to be tough. That's situationally a

479
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: good spot for Washington at Stanford Oregon ASU, no bye week,

480
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: right right, So depending on how much you believe in

481
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: body blow, and I think Stanford should still have a

482
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: good offensive line, and I think their identity is still

483
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: that power brand of football. They get Oregon after that,

484
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 2: which I mean, they don't need any inspiration to get

485
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: up for the Oregon game at home and Seattle, the

486
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: place is gonna if you know, it's a full crowd,

487
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: it's going to be extremely raucous ASU after both of

488
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: those offensive lines and both of those style teams, even

489
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: though it's at home. If ASU is pretty good, which

490
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: I expect them to be, that's a tough spot. That's

491
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: a tough threesome right there. But Neil Apple cups at

492
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 2: home otherwise, I mean, that's if you are going to

493
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: nitpick Washington has had Cal issues, but that game's at home.

494
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Speaker 2: So I think the schedule works out nicely. At Michigan's

495
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be pretty tough, but nowhere

496
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: near where it would have been three years ago or something.

497
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, So if we say that they go four

498
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 2: and one before the bye week with the loss at

499
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: Michigan or against Cal, or something.

500
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Speaker 1: Four and one.

501
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: I think they can beat UCLA five and one at Arizona,

502
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: six and one at Stanford. Now they did lose last year,

503
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: so seven to one, six and two, we can call

504
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: it six and two, Oregon six and three, But then

505
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: they can beat ASU. I think they they're going to

506
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: lose one of those three at Stanford Oregon ASU. So

507
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: I think I have them squarely at nine and three.

508
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: And if the offense doesn't get better, they could lose

509
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: to UCLA. They could lose to Michigan, they could lose

510
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: to Cal they could lose to Stanford. If the offense

511
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: is getting off the field quickly, yeah, it's an eight

512
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: and fourteen. If the offense stagnates.

513
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Speaker 1: Let's go over to Stanford, Dan, I have numerous questions

514
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: about the card, okay, not the least of which is

515
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: what is going on with Stanford? Yeah? What is the question?

516
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: What is going on with Stanford? Stanford was the jewel

517
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: of the PAC twelve. It was a program after which

518
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: many other programs around college football sought to model themselves.

519
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're there right now. Stanford is

520
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to say falling on hard times, but

521
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: they're they're not what they were during the Christian McCaffrey era, right,

522
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: suffice to say, four and two year ago. There are

523
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: numerous questions up and down the roster. They don't bring

524
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: back as much as most teams in college football. I

525
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

526
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: But just like, lick your finger and stick it up

527
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: in the air and tell me which direction the wind

528
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: is blowing for the Stanford cardinal and to refuse to

529
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Speaker 1: do that on camera for our wonderful Patreon supporters. Yeah,

530
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Speaker 1: I don't think Stanford's heading in a terrific direction, but

531
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Speaker 1: I can see a path in which they do. I

532
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: just I think there are so many question marks right

533
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: now with Stanford and so okay, So when you look

534
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: at Stanford's twenty twenty, they win their final four by

535
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: a combined ten points. Now, if you're gonna win or lose,

536
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: you should win, that's my take.

537
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: And they won. They won their final four, but I

538
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: think it combined ten points. It wasn't always pretty, but

539
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: they did it. They had extreme COVID issues, and we

540
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: can talk about this with Cal two, not just with

541
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: guys testing positive. I think Stanford was okay, but the county.

542
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: The northern California counties in which Call and Stanford reside

543
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: were extremely strict in terms of gatherings. They were at

544
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: high schools, they couldn't use their locker room, they were

545
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 2: in Seattle practicing. Stanford was all over the place. And

546
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: on top of that, Davis Mills had a false positive

547
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: ahead of the Oregon game. It was Jack West, I

548
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: believe stepped in, so they didn't have their starting quarterback.

549
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: Arguably Oregonton neither.

550
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there.

551
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: Stanford won clunkers, and that's a good thing. I'm always

552
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: going to say that's a good thing. We're making a

553
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: Windar clunker shirt. Ty you've seen it. It looks pretty good Stanford.

554
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: To me, the issue is they who are you pointing

555
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: at as being here is the reason the offense is

556
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: going to get back on track. I think they're pretty

557
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: good along the offensive line, but not where they were

558
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: a few years ago. I think they're okay at running back,

559
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: but not where they've been traditionally leaning on Christian McCaffrey,

560
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: Bryce Love, Stephen Taylor, even guy like Tyler Gaffney was

561
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: a really impressive workhorse for the Cardinal they haven't had

562
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: that guy now in a couple years, and even Bryce

563
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: Love was beat up his final year, So that to

564
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: me is worrisome when coupled with there's no Kobe Fleener,

565
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: there's no zach Ertz, there's no Levine toy Lolo, there's

566
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: no even like Kolby Parkinson or jj R Sega Whiteside,

567
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: sorry Arthega Whiteside. They've usually had one to three nightmare

568
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: matchup dudes where just like they're just throwing it up

569
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: and they're getting boxed out, and are the other the

570
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: defense getting boxed out that they could be sort of

571
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: the intellectual brutality where they bash you, bash you, bash you,

572
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: and then are very smart about choosing play action and

573
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: situational play calling that identity. I think the identity is

574
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: still there, but I don't know if the production and

575
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: the guys are there to pull that off. So they have,

576
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: you know, it's Jack West and now Tanner McKee, who

577
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: was a top blue chip quarterback. He went on an

578
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: LDS mission and he's back and he's huge. He's kind

579
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: of like six six, two thirty five, but he you know,

580
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: I read that he learned the offense over zoom, right,

581
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: last year when he got back, So they're like, there

582
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: is a rawness that I you know, it's going to

583
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: get better with the full off season, but even still,

584
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: who's he throwing to? Who are the guys?

585
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: Like?

586
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: There are just too many questions right now about how

587
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: Stanford marches down the field on offense and then up

588
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: front on defense. Last year they got pushed around, which

589
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: is kind of uncharacteristic. Like Stanford has that reputation of

590
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: developing an felt caliber guys up front secondary.

591
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: There are questions.

592
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: There are questions on all three levels, and without being

593
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: able to point to a single thing, Stanford is expected

594
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: to do well because of who they have and what

595
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: they've recently accomplished, what the recent track record is. I

596
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: have a hard time being all that optimistic about the Cardinal.

597
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: Didn't they give up close to thirty two points per

598
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: game last year?

599
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: Sure they did.

600
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what their points per drive is because

601
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: they play very slowly, so their points per drive last

602
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: year on defense was one hundred and twelfth two point nine,

603
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: so an inefficient scoring defense. They were twenty seventh on offense,

604
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: so they made their possessions count to whatever degree. But yeah,

605
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: if Stanford doesn't win trenches on both sides of the ball.

606
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: I just don't see them that you. Recruiting has fallen

607
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: off from where it was seven eight years ago. It's

608
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: just I don't think Stanford has the guys right now

609
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: with as talented as Organ is, the talented as Washington is,

610
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: as well coached as cal is. And you know, Stanford

611
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: snuck that game out last year. I need I need something.

612
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: I think.

613
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: I think Christian McCaffrey and Bryce Love accounted for so

614
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: much and if they don't have that game changer, I

615
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: think they're pretty ordinary.

616
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: Wow. Well that's really interesting, Dan. I'm I'm flipping over

617
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: here to the Stanford schedule Hitman, which is ranked nice.

618
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: Have you, by the way, have you been to Stanford?

619
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Speaker 1: Have you been to Paladine? I haven't. It's incredible.

620
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: You always to the stan You go to the Stanford Gas.

621
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: Forget the academics, for all of that. It's just this

622
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: chill place. I mean it's warm, but I don't know

623
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 2: how to explain it, but it's it's just a different place.

624
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 2: And I'll never understand. And I understand actually why they

625
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: succeed in like every other sport, but I don't understand

626
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: why they aren't just able to find the smartest, best

627
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: football players in the country. And any player who ever

628
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: succeeds for Northwestern, for Georgia Tech, for Duke, for Vanderbilt,

629
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: for UCLA, for cal they should all go to the

630
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: Stanford campus and say.

631
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Speaker 1: Yep, that's enough, I'm done. This is where I'm coming.

632
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: Ninth most difficult schedule. Yeah, the over under per Vegas

633
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: is three and a half or four mm, which is

634
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: crazy low for a program that has been at the

635
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: absolute height of college football now for a while, not

636
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: maybe the last couple of years. But I was going

637
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: to say Stanford has not been at the height of

638
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: college well they were there recently, Okay, sure, and it

639
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: feels uncomfortable for me to set a line that low.

640
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: But then you look at the schedule and the thing

641
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: that jumps out at me when reviewing the schedule is

642
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: that you have little patches, little patches to three games

643
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: at most where they're going to be tested. And there

644
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: are a couple in particular that I think will define

645
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: the season right out of the shoe. The road game,

646
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: the neutral site game, technically the body clock game, as

647
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: we've been calling it very early. West Coast time against

648
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: k State in week one. That is not a picnic.

649
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: It is not a picnic at all. KSE State's always

650
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: well coached. Then after that, they follow it up with

651
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: a road tilt against USC in the common sum night

652
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: game packed twelve after dark. Perhaps, but k State USC

653
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: to open up the season is not exactly the easiest

654
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: way to get rolling here, especially with a team that's

655
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: got so many questions. Great, after that, then you've got

656
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: the scholastic scrimmage against Vanderbilt. Yeah, perhaps that's an easy win.

657
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: It should be an easy win. Yep. But then after

658
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: that home against UCLA, they don't play at home. They're

659
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: not playing on the farm until late September. They've got

660
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: a home game in late September against UCLA and then

661
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: a home game the week after against Oregon before they

662
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: go back on the road against ASU. So Ucla or

663
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: in an ASU back to back to back is a

664
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: difficult stretch. Late October early November, it's Washington and Utah

665
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: back to back weeks, both at home, which is good,

666
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: but they still have to play those teams. Just not easy.

667
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: And then they also have another home tilt later in

668
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: the year, last game against Notre Dames. So I guess

669
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: if you're trying to put together like the bright side here,

670
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: if you're a Stanford season ticket holder, you get to

671
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: see UCLA, Oregon, Washington, Utah, Notre Dame. Those are five

672
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: really good games. On the flip side, you're over under

673
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: is four and I get it. Unfortunately, I get it.

674
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: If whoever starts at quarterback for Stanford is not full

675
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: on good. You could see a universe in which they're

676
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: starting two and four yea oh five. You know, they

677
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: can win that Vandi game, and they can win one

678
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: of at ASU, Ucla, Kansas State, and I mean, I'm

679
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: not even think USC is bulletproof, but if quarterback is

680
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 2: merely average for them this year, yeah, you can see

681
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: that universe and even the back half of that schedule.

682
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: I mean, all of those games, especially with the way

683
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: Stanford has played recently. Now, I'm you asked about a

684
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: grain of salt with Oregon's twenty twenty results, and I

685
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: think they're worthwhile to look at. I give the biggest

686
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: grain goes to Stanford with what they went through all

687
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: over the place, having you know, games canceled, not uncanceled

688
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: like it's just it was a mess. But also with like,

689
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: what are there like pencil in wins right now? No, no,

690
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: exactly at Oregon State, Vandy, at Wazoo. I would write

691
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: in a Vandy win. But look at last year they

692
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: beat cal on a blocked pat right twenty four to

693
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: twenty three. They're able to sneak away with a win. Now,

694
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: they might have won that game in overtime or whatever.

695
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: That's fine, to get away from UCLA in a shootout

696
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: barely skin of their teeth. Oregon State it was, you know,

697
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: back and forth. They sneak away with that, Like it's

698
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: not like they distanced themselves with Davis Mills from these teams.

699
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: They were able to sit on Washington's face, which I'm

700
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: saying once again, but that was not a particularly impressive win.

701
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: So I just I don't know.

702
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: They kind of seem like lro they you know, the

703
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: luck running out kind of thing to me at this point.

704
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: So I I think if if Stanford goes to a

705
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: bowl game, that's weirdly impressive to me.

706
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: I want to go to Washington State, Okay, if we could.

707
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: My question about Washington State is very simple, and I

708
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: don't mean this, oh in a pejorative way. Are they

709
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: really going to start Jared Guarantano at quarterback, they might.

710
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 2: I think that was maybe likelyer Jaden Deloro was arrested

711
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: for d in the spring, but he was just found

712
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: not guilty of that. So I think the battle is open.

713
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: And I think Jayden and Laura showed flashes against some

714
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: of the better defenses that Wazu played. But man Wazoo

715
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: not just going to a new coach and a new offense,

716
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: but going to a new offense and getting away from

717
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: the air Raid, which was so specific in the way

718
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: everything was taught and everything was recruited too. I just

719
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: last year they were sort of set up to fail. Yeah,

720
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: and starting a freshman quarterback. So will Jerrick Garantano start? Maybe?

721
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: And maybe it's a nice change of pace. And you know,

722
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: he showed flashes. This is me reaching, but he showed flashes.

723
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 2: He was a highly touted recruit forty four years ago

724
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: when he was a high schooler. So can he be

725
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: passibly decent if everything is going on around him correctly

726
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: and he's protected, I think. So is he going to

727
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: lead Wazoo to an unexpected surge to battling for the division?

728
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: Probably not No, So yeah, I think Wazoo is okay.

729
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 2: I think they can take a step forward in twenty

730
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: twenty one. The defense was pretty.

731
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: Bad last year. It was it was pretty bad.

732
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: The defensive line had moments, they were okay up front

733
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: at times. But no, if this team is taking a

734
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: step forward, it's going to because of you know, Max

735
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: Borgie and Dian McIntosh on offense, Jadan de Laura or

736
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: whoever at quarterback takes a step forward. There's a guy

737
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: named Camon, not Cameron Camon. Yeah, yeah, Cannon kicks. I

738
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: think Camon Cooper. We'll see a receiver. I don't think

739
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: there are obvious guys in the way that you know,

740
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: maybe there were five six years ago for Wazoo at

741
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: receiver in the air raid. The non conference is nothing crazy.

742
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: As we turn to their schedule, they have BYU mid

743
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: year and there is a I think the opening.

744
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: Of their PAC twelve play.

745
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: The opening stands a tie the USC at Utah and

746
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: at Cal. It's pretty tough, and then later on it's

747
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: I think it's at ASU, and then a buye before

748
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: Oregon and it's at U dub for the Apple Cup.

749
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: So I think a bowl means that they likely caught

750
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: a couple of breaks, getting a team without its starting

751
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: quarterback or weird weather game that they're able to pull out.

752
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just so it does it strangely

753
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: feel that week one is must win. Well, it does

754
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: Utah eight and if.

755
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: You look at the over under, the over under from

756
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: WAZU is six. And in looking at the schedule, one

757
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: thing that jumps out at me is that there are

758
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: four really tough road games at Utah, which is early

759
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: in the year, as you pointed out, at ASU and

760
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: at Oregon, separated only by a bye week, and then

761
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: the Apple Cup on the road in Husky Stadium against Washington.

762
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: Those are four probably losable games. Can they pull one off, suret,

763
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: But I don't feel great about that. Outside of those

764
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: four games, which I think are nearly automatic losses, you've

765
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: got a Utah State team, which we'll talk about shortly.

766
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: Uta State is starting over and will probably be pretty bad.

767
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of transfers. It's going to take

768
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: them a while to get things together. Utah State's a win,

769
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: Portland State should be a win as well. Outside of that,

770
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: who are we penciling in? Who are we penciling in? Okay, Arizona.

771
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: That's still only three. In order to get to six,

772
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: you need to beat BYU Stanford and then cal then

773
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: Oregon State. You gotta win three of those four. Py

774
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: us gonna be pretty good, not amazing, but pretty good.

775
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: You got to be three of those four to get

776
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: to six. So would I take the over? No, I

777
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't take the over. But that's what we're looking at.

778
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: That's the lay of the land for Wazoo.

779
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you're totally right. And I mean there are

780
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: the questions. Obviously, Nick Rolovich received a lot of attention

781
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: not attending PAC twelve media day because of his unvaccinated status,

782
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: and so he is receiving attention, and there were you know,

783
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: fair or not. Last year there was the issue of

784
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: you know, not wanting guys who are opting out and

785
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: weren't good enough, blah bah blah. We want guys who

786
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: are all in that. I think it's fair to ask, like,

787
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: what is what is the culture like right now at Wazoo.

788
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: A ton of transfers out of the program since last fall.

789
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: And it's not necessarily a reflection on Rolovic because that

790
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 2: transfers are now going to happen. It's never been easier

791
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: to transfer, and transfers are going to happen with a

792
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: new head coach and new assistants, coordinators, whatever new scheme.

793
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: But it's a reasonable question to ask as like, what

794
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: are the vibes in Pullman right now? Yeah, where we're

795
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: uncertain at quarterback and we're still changing systems. They're young,

796
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: they're green. Defense got pushed around last year like is

797
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: it a team fully by in on Nick Rolovich and

798
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: what he's selling? All right, I hope, so, I really do.

799
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: But it's you know what, we're going to need to

800
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: see some indicators early on.

801
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: Let's go Google for Garbers. Can we do that for

802
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: a second.

803
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Let's continue to despite mounting evidence to the contract.

804
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: Despite mounting evidence to the contrary, Chase Garber's back has

805
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: potential at quarterback for the cow Golden Bears. They went

806
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: one in three a year ago. This year bring back

807
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: nine on offense, eight on defense. Again, I feel like

808
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: it's a question of defense. So many of the teams

809
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: that we've discussed here, do you think Col's question is defense? Well,

810
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm asking a question about defense. Oh okay, please a

811
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: question about defense. So, justin Wilcox, we know coaches defense.

812
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: You know he coaches out very well. Correct. My question

813
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: about defense from the cow standpoint is if it will

814
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: again find itself in the position where it has to

815
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: pick up for the offense. But that's been the frustrating thing.

816
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: There's that half team complex here. Now we need to

817
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: get past. If cal is going to ascend beyond third

818
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: or fourth in the Pac twelve North, Is this the year?

819
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: Can this be the year? Can we go google for

820
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: Garber's finally and get to a point where maybe there's

821
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: a little bit more balance.

822
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Well, if we want to start

823
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: with twenty twenty, they were COVID affected in big time

824
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: ways obviously as well just geographically where they were. Chase

825
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: Garber struggled. Now, that's struggling with a very strange schedule situation.

826
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: If you remember they had that Sunday game against UCLA, yep,

827
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, that was scheduled quite quickly. They just

828
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: it's been an issue for three four years now where

829
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: you're just like, okay, who is their game changer on offense?

830
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: Who is there?

831
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: Like even Pac twelve honorable mentioned type receiver, tight end,

832
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: running back, like.

833
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: Very hard to I mean.

834
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 2: Is it CoA Crawford, who's been around the Michigan transfer forever.

835
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: Now he's a fifth or sixth year senior who's misstimed

836
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: to injury. Like the running backs are fine. The receivers

837
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: and tight end they can be interesting at times, and

838
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: I know there are only so many electric receivers on

839
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: the West Coast. But that Stanford, excuse me, that Cal,

840
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: that was insulting. That Cal hasn't stumbled into a guy

841
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: at running back or receiver or even tight end. It's

842
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: worrisome to me. I think Chase Garver's is fine. I

843
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: think he's pretty good. I think he's interesting at times,

844
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: but I don't think he has the talent to will

845
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: this team to thirty points every week. If they're not

846
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: guys on offense, if the scheme isn't particularly creative or

847
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: interesting or tricky to game plan against. I think they're

848
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: gonna be led by their defense again. I think they're

849
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: gonna be led by their back seven again. And they've

850
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: been producing NFL caliber players in that secondary and will

851
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: continue to. The linebacking corps is interesting. Upfront, we'll see,

852
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 2: we'll see. That's sort of up in the air for me.

853
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: But if they're going to win games. There are going

854
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: to be a lot of twenty fourteen seventeen thirteen kind

855
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: of slog performances. More of the same New year, same

856
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: situation with Callen, with the tenor of Cal games, feel like,

857
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: so there's experience all over the ball, all over the field.

858
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: But I don't know, it's hard to It's hard to

859
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: look at call and say, here is the fun new

860
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: element to Cal football moving forward. And they lost him

861
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: to Ruter to whatever degree he helped that defense, you know,

862
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: they lost their co defensive coordinator as well.

863
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: Thirty eighth most difficult schedule. They've got Nevada Week one,

864
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: which is not a picnic, no, no, that will challenge

865
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: that secondary. Yeah, TCU Week two, we'll see, but that

866
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: game is on the road in Fort Worth. Yeah, probably

867
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: very losable in all likelihood losable. I mean it's in

868
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: a bowl, but they're going to have to match points

869
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: on a certain level, like TCU should be able to

870
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: move the ball some. And now what Justin Wilcox has

871
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: been incredible the non conference right the defense. Cal's defense

872
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: has been very difficult to play against and plan against

873
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: early on for teams outside of the Pac twelve. They've

874
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: got a game then finally where they can hopefully catch

875
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: their breath against Sacramento State. But then they've got the

876
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: Washington schools back to back. They go to Washington, they

877
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: come back home against Wazoo, then a bye week before

878
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: they go to Oregon. They also are home later in

879
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: the year against USC, in between the tough finish and

880
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: Federal and then they go to UCLA. So I think

881
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: what I'm detecting here is that there are there are

882
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: spots on the schedule where they can maybe take a

883
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: beat and hopefully catch their breath. But there's no point

884
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: in this schedule where I look at it and I

885
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: say that's that's an easy road for them. They will

886
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: be tested the full schedule through and through.

887
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's there are winnable games. What after

888
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: Oregon and before USC they have Colorado, Oregon State, and

889
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: Arizona on the road. So there are chunks like if

890
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: they win the non conference part of the schedule, they're

891
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 2: a probable better team than Nevada.

892
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 1: They can beat eat TCU. They can.

893
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: So if they start three and zero, there's three more

894
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: right there with Colorado, Oregon State in Arizona which are winnable.

895
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: Even if Cal hasn't always won those games recently, and

896
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: they will likely on they have Wazoo, which is winnable

897
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: at home, and they will likely ugly up a game

898
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: against a team they're dogs against Ucla, even though that's

899
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: a week after a rivalry game, which I think is

900
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: bonkers to like Cal in that spot a week after

901
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: that game on the road, whether it's Oregon who they

902
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 2: beat last year, whether it's Washington who they've succeeded against,

903
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: they will ugly up a game against a more talented

904
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: team win it. Sixteen thirteen. Look, the game, the game

905
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: to watch is going to be the USC game on

906
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: November thirteenth, because USC has col in a perfect letdown

907
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: look at I'm looking now, perfect let down look ahead

908
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: spot between a road game at ASU, which could be

909
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 2: for the PAC twelve South and a quote unquote rivalry game.

910
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: I guess it's a rivalry game against UCLA the following

911
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: week going to Berkeley in between those two spots, and

912
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: that's the weekend, or that's what all the USC fans call.

913
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: They'll generally either go to Cal or Stanford and like, hey,

914
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: let's let's drive up the you know, I five whatever.

915
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: So that will be a tough spot for USC and

916
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: that could be a game where you see col muddying

917
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: it up. But they're over under right now is five

918
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: and a half. I would not want to take that over.

919
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know enough about their offense at

920
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: this point, so I would probably go under there or

921
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: not bet at all. Five and you go under five

922
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: and a half if given a choice. I just don't

923
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: see any real picnics here right, Like even that Nevada

924
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: c last year, right, they didn't play. No, they didn't

925
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: even Nevada in Week one. Gives me cause for pause

926
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: or pet charity s sure? Sure.

927
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: Uh So if the offense is relatively successful in what

928
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: they're trying to do, which I think is ball control

929
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: that brings just enough for wins, they can go seven

930
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: to five.

931
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: To me.

932
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's gonna be the first two. It's

933
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: gonna be Wazu at home, Oregon State at home at Arizona,

934
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: and potentially splitting Stanford and UCLA on the road. They're

935
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: right there with Stanford last year. Ucla is beatable. U say,

936
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: is tough, but they're beatable. So yeah, I think there

937
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: are seven and five if if somebody emerges on offense

938
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: and Chase Garver's returns to twenty nineteen Form eight and fourteen.

939
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 2: But we're talking capital I Capital F seventy two point

940
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: bold underscored. You know, yeah, they have an interesting ceiling,

941
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: but like six things are going to need to.

942
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: Happen to close it out. With Oregon's State Daniel Let's

943
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: Oregon State two and five a year ago, the thirtieth

944
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: most difficult schedule in college football going into twenty one,

945
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: they bring back ten guys on offense, nine guys on defense,

946
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: Like a lot of teams around college football, a lot

947
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: of veteran leadership returning given the weird COVID year in

948
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. As we look at Oregon State, I think

949
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: we feel good about Jonathan Smith. I think we always have.

950
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: Oregon State's another one of those teams that finds a

951
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: way to muddy up some of these contests when you

952
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't think otherwise. Right, But the question remains, which direction

953
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: is this program headed. Do we feel like Jonathan Smith

954
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: is slowly building something that is more contendable in the

955
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: PAC twelve North or have we gotten to a point

956
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: now where that's plateaued.

957
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's plateaued. I think Oregon State

958
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: is getting better. I think quarterback is going to be

959
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: an issue. I think the strategy of bringing in transfers

960
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 2: like really hitting the transfer portal pretty hard, and most impressively,

961
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: Oregon State has probably done it at receiver, bringing in

962
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: some blue chip guys from the West Coast Ish who

963
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: started their careers elsewhere, perhaps higher profile programs, and they've

964
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: been that destination again on the field relatively quickly. They

965
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: took a step forward last year because of the success

966
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: on the ground. Jamar Jefferson gone, but he had incredible

967
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 2: highs for Oregon State, especially in that first half against

968
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 2: Oregon and a winning effort in what I'm now, I

969
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: think I'm gonna call it the Platypus Cup. If we're

970
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: not doing civil war anymore, the platypus is, it's.

971
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: Already not doing war. We can still do it if

972
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: we want to, we could still do it.

973
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: I just there's something incredible about the platypus between a

974
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: duck and a beaver that just approximating the in between

975
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: and just calling it the Platypus Cup. I think it's

976
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 2: silly enough and weird enough that it befits the rivalry

977
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: and that they already play for I think the Platpus

978
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: Trophy or whatever they call the trophy, So I'm okay

979
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: with it, but whatever we want to do.

980
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: They ran the ball well last year, the good offensive line.

981
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: Last year.

982
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: The defense struggled for stretches, but made some big plays

983
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 2: and big moments. They were right there against some decent teams.

984
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: I think the back seven was a highlight. The secondary

985
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: was interesting. And their losses to Stanford, Utah, and Washington

986
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 2: were all single digit. So this is not a team

987
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: that is now outclassed anymore. And we said that a

988
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: couple of years ago too, that like the next step

989
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: is going to be pulling out these games in the

990
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: way that they pulled out that Oregon game. It was

991
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: weird at the end there, but they made plays. They

992
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 2: just need to do that more often. You know, win

993
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: close after you lose close. The appeal to Oregon State

994
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: this year is that offensive line. It's it's solid. It

995
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: should be I think it's going to be Tristan Gebbia,

996
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: though he was dealing with some bad hamstring stuff. Injury wise.

997
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: The defense is probably strongest at linebacker. It's fine, it's

998
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: just not obvious where the production is coming from from

999
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: on the line and in the back right now.

1000
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

1001
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: There's a certain amount of benefit of the doubt that

1002
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: I give to Jonathan Smith for being creative and difficult

1003
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: to game plan against and absolutely maximizing what he has

1004
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: on his roster.

1005
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: So I don't know. The schedule's tricky. I could see

1006
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: a bowl to a path, a bowl to a path,

1007
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: a path to a bowl. How about that? For English?

1008
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: I could see it, But it's the margin. Prayer is

1009
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: pretty it's thin.

1010
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: Tie. Yeah, four and a half. Four and a half

1011
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: is the over under. I agree with you with respect

1012
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: to the schedule. They go to raws Aid Stadium first

1013
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: week of the year to square off against Perl even

1014
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: knows what that is. Yeah, yeah, but on the road

1015
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: at USC followed by home game against Washington, fall by

1016
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: a road tilt against Wazoo. They've got Utah and Cal

1017
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: on back to back weeks. They've got Arizona State and Oregon.

1018
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm back to back weeks to close out the year.

1019
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: So again, you got it in spots. Oregon State's going

1020
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: to have to bring it each and every week. A

1021
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: fun factoid that may only interest me, perhaps some gamblers

1022
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: out there. Oregon State covered the point total i'll say

1023
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: the total point total and hit the over in seventy

1024
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: one percent of their games last year.

1025
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: I know, I know two years ago. Didn't two years ago?

1026
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 2: Weren't they the best team against the spread in the nation?

1027
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was everything like that again. Last year,

1028
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: covered by an average of around two and a half

1029
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: three points, went over by on average a touchdown in

1030
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: all of their games.

1031
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: So just get under rates Oregon State. Recently, Vegas has

1032
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,479
Speaker 2: underestimated the Beaves. I think that's fair to say. Yeah,

1033
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: I think we all have to some extent. By the way,

1034
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 2: there are a lot of teams. It's it's basically Oregon,

1035
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: Washington and some specifically hard outs, which makes this division interesting,

1036
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 2: just not as interesting as the South to me because

1037
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: I think it's just there are more teams who could

1038
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 2: realistically navigate the South and end up in the championship game.

1039
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: I have Oregon winning. I have Oregon winning because I

1040
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: think they have the most ways to win. I think

1041
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: they have the best offensive coordinator in the conference. I

1042
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: think they have the highest talent level in the conference.

1043
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: And I think they have I mean division and conference,

1044
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: and I think the most promise, and that probably the

1045
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: highest ceiling on defense, though I think the Washington defense

1046
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: is probably in a more understood, better place right now.

1047
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: I think what Oregon could potentially do on defense, if

1048
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: linebacker works out, if the new guys on the line

1049
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: work out, if the secondary plays as expected, I think

1050
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: Oregon is a higher ceiling than Washington. So it's the

1051
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: number of ways that has me thinking Oregon wins this division,

1052
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: wins the North yet.

1053
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: Again, Oregon wins the North yet again. Okay, the North.

1054
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: I think they were chosen PAC twelve media, whatever that

1055
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: means to win the conference, like they received the tally. Okay,

1056
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: should we talk mount to Do you have anybody different

1057
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: winning the North? No, I've got a organ. I've got

1058
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: a organ. I am excited to see what Washington looks like.

1059
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: I feel like Oregon at this point is a little

1060
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: bit more of a proven commodity. You just know more

1061
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: about what Oregon has. I am not at all comfortable

1062
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 2: with Anthony Brown. You are way more comfortable with Anthony

1063
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: Brown than I am. No, I'm okay, So I'm not

1064
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: crazy comfortable with Anthony Brown. I think he has a

1065
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: ceiling of not messing up, of not necessarily being crazy dynamic,

1066
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: but has receivers who can make him look better than

1067
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: he is. Like his situation is pretty ideal. That's and

1068
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: that's the point. That's I think the point. Yeah, so no,

1069
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: I am. This is not a guy that they recruited.

1070
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 2: This is not a guy that the Oregon coaches are

1071
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: particularly loyal to because they have this long track record

1072
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: with him. But I'd much rather have Anthony Brown with

1073
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: Joe moorehead than Dylan Morris with John Donovan.

1074
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know. Let's go to the mountain,

1075
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: the Mountain West Mountain Division. Yes, and let's do you

1076
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: go into any of these places? No?

1077
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: No, God, no, Ty? What do we What is it

1078
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: going to take for us to do like a West

1079
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: coast swing together? Do a show in Boise, a show

1080
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: and Lermie Boyse is a good time. I've been to

1081
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: Boise a few times because pre Tie Tie is from Boise. Yeah,

1082
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: my my college co host on our radio show, Mike,

1083
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: And you can eat pretty well in Boise if you

1084
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: like like mountains and rugged nature and get some of that,

1085
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: you know it, problematic sex sects like compounds, you can

1086
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: get that. Idaho you can get to like weird areas

1087
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, I should get back on the interstate. Okay,

1088
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: you can get all of those things in Idaho, but

1089
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,479
Speaker 2: who else is in the Mountain. Who are the teams

1090
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: that i'd want?

1091
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: Wyoming, We've got Boise, We've got Wyoming Air Force, Colorado State,

1092
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: New Mexico, and Utah State. Where do you want me

1093
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: to start?

1094
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: All beautiful places? These are all beautiful places. Let's start

1095
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: with Boise. I think they're pretty intriguing. New coach who

1096
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: I'm familiar with.

1097
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mountain West power five and two. A

1098
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: year ago, they lost to BYU and to San Jose

1099
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: State in the title game. Then they lost their coach,

1100
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: Brian Harson, who went down to Auburn. We've talked at

1101
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: nauseuma about that situation. But this is a solid team.

1102
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: This is a solid team. But they also had some

1103
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: real areas for improvement. The line, in particular, didn't do

1104
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: a whole lot for the rushing game. I don't know

1105
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: if it was due to the line or due to

1106
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: the fact that they had an injury at the running

1107
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: back spot and the backup couldn't do more. They wasn't

1108
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: good enough to get more than three pointy three per

1109
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: carry regardless, they need to get more out of the

1110
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: ground game, and there just weren't enough big plays on offense.

1111
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: They allowed too many big plays on defense. Defense didn't

1112
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,439
Speaker 1: create enough turnovers. So there were things they have, things

1113
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: that they can that they could work on. And the

1114
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: good news in bringing over Andy Avlos is that he's

1115
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: a defensive minded guy right comes over from Oregon, was

1116
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. He played at Boise for a couple of

1117
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: years in the early oughts, was an assistant there from

1118
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,479
Speaker 1: twenty twelve to twenty eighteen. Yeah, coordinated good defenses for Boise. Sure,

1119
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: So the hope is that he can come in and

1120
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: you guessed it, play more of an attacking, aggressive style

1121
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: of defense. That sure fixes some of those issues. The

1122
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: curiosity that I have, though, is not so much on

1123
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. I think Andy Avlos

1124
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: will coach them up. He'll get that stuff ironed out.

1125
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: He's a very bright defensive mind. The question I have

1126
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: is that he hired Tim Plow to be his offensive

1127
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: coordinator from UC Davis. You're familiar with you see Davis Dan,

1128
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: aren't you? I am?

1129
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I dated somebody for a long time that went there,

1130
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: so I've spent time on the Davis campus. Tim Plow

1131
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: is an air raid guy, so that he's at Dan

1132
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: Hawkins guy then who was also Boise, So it's all

1133
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: just intermingling. It's all sort of intermingling. But Boise has

1134
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: had so much success of late running more of that

1135
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: multiple offense run, a little bit of everything, a twinge

1136
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: of pro style like it's it's just not been air

1137
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: raid okay, and they have a good core wide receivers.

1138
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: I just don't know if they've got the quarterback to

1139
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: run that kind of system. Like Hank Bachmeyer was okay

1140
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: and pretty good. He's been good, not great. Jack Sears,

1141
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: I think, is nipping at his heels to maybe get

1142
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: some snaps going into the twenty one season.

1143
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: But I just tried. I don't sure. Yeah, I don't

1144
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: know what that what that dynamic is going to be at,

1145
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: don't know what that offense is going to look like.

1146
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: I feel like we know what the Boise brand has

1147
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: been on offense for the better part of the last decade.

1148
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: By bringing over Tim Plower, they're going to change that

1149
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: dramatically or not if we take what he did at

1150
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: UC Davis and maybe but I don't know if the

1151
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: personnel is there to accomplish that. From a scheduling standpoint,

1152
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: this is a very tricky schedule, very tricky schedule. They

1153
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: open up on the road at UCF they play Oklahoma

1154
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: State two weeks right at home, they have to play Nevada,

1155
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: they have to go on the road to play San

1156
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: Diego State from the other side of the conference. Yo.

1157
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: This is a tough schedule. They've got Wyoming. I think

1158
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: they've got BYU as well. I don't know if I

1159
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: marked on the road. Yeah, so it's only per Phil Steele,

1160
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: it's sixty second most difficult. I don't buy that. It

1161
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: seems way more difficult than that. To me. Vegas right

1162
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: now has him at nine. I think I would almost

1163
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: definitely take the under here. And I've always been very

1164
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: pro boisy, But this is a tough schedule, man, And

1165
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: with how.

1166
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: Many games do they play at elevation? They don't play

1167
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: Wyoming in Laramie, right.

1168
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: No, they've got They've got Wyoming at home.

1169
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 2: Okay, so they've got Provos at altitude that's at four

1170
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: thousand plus feet. What is Fort Collins? Maybe is Fort

1171
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: Collins elevation? Now you haven't spent any time around five thousand.

1172
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: They've got double Oh man, okay, oh it's logan, ty

1173
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: this is an elev this is a secret elevation season,

1174
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: elevation trap.

1175
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: Logan, Utah Elevation HI forty five hundred is a boys

1176
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: season the Mile High Club this year.

1177
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: I hope not, because I associate that with being I mean,

1178
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: I am not a member, Tye. I know you've talked

1179
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: about how like, okay, every airline blow, butity blow, Utah

1180
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: State BYU, Colorado State all altitude. So I don't know

1181
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: if they're acclimating in some crazy way. But man, tricky,

1182
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: tricky road slate when you've got three mile highs.

1183
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: No, now I would. I wouldn't go under here. I'll

1184
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: go under here. I have too many questions. It was

1185
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: the number again, Sorry I nine. I was too busy

1186
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: looking up elevations. Yeah, I would, Yeah, I mean UCF

1187
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: is losable, Oklahoma State is losable. Here's the thing. You

1188
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: don't win the bet if they hit nine on the

1189
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: button right, and so you're really betting on them to

1190
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: hit ten if you want to win that bet. And

1191
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to hit San Diego State. Yeah, continue,

1192
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: I just don't think they're going to hit ten. Yeah.

1193
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. I would take the under

1194
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: let's talk Wyoming YEP two and four last year an

1195
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: aggressive half team in this conference. Yeah, half team. One

1196
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: hundred and seven on offense, thirty nine on defense. They

1197
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: were one of two defense is in all of FBS.

1198
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: Listen to this. To allow zero, that's a goose egg.

1199
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: Zero fourth down conversions all of last year? Good de

1200
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: how many attempts? I don't know if you have that

1201
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: in front of it. They only played six games, so okay,

1202
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: that's true, and there might have been six attempts the

1203
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: last attempts. Nonetheless, it allowed zero. Yeah, the offense struggled.

1204
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: It struggled. Their quarterback, Sean Chambers went down for the

1205
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: year third play of the season. Levi Williams came in.

1206
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: He showed flashes. He's more more of a dual threat. Guy.

1207
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: Wasn't nearly good enough Dan to put the fear of

1208
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: God into anyone. Chambers is back this year, along with

1209
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: the other ten starters on offense, but obviously his health

1210
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: is a concern as we move forward. Now, the appeal

1211
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: is that they've got all these starters back twenty one

1212
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: in total. Craig Bowle looked at the offense, realized there

1213
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: was a problem. Brings over Tim Paulasek from Iowa where

1214
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: he was an offense line coach for the just unlimited offense,

1215
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: unlimited pyrotechnic offense.

1216
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fire works that is the recent Iowa offense.

1217
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: But before that, before that, he was the OC. He

1218
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: was the running backs coach at North Dakota State, which

1219
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: has had a good offense.

1220
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lot, I mean with Craig Bowl and

1221
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 2: Scotty Hazelton used to be the defensive coordinator. Then he

1222
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: went down to Kansas State with Chris Climban. Now he's

1223
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: in mel Tucker with Michigan State. So yeah, there's a

1224
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: lot of intermingling with Bison dudes.

1225
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: And I read a lot of the commentary from Craig

1226
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: Bowl from Paula Sek to figure out like what's just

1227
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: going to look like what are they trying to do?

1228
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: And it seems like they are taking a very noted

1229
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: step to make the offense more balanced. There was not

1230
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: enough balance. They skewed much more towards like the rushing

1231
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: attack last year because they had to out of necessity.

1232
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: They're trying to be less predictable, more balanced, not doing

1233
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: anything drastic, but improve matters. So we'll see. I don't know,

1234
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see how that goes. The defense should

1235
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: again be really solid. The road ahead is not terrible.

1236
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: They do play Ball State, who won the MAC a

1237
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: year ago. State's tough team. They play both Boise and

1238
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 1: San Jose State on the road, but they do miss

1239
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: Nevada and San Diego State. Okay, over unders eight, I

1240
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: think I go over. I think I go over. I

1241
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: will have that dope helmet. They got the dope helmet.

1242
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: They still have the dough eight. You said it's the

1243
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: over under. Yeah, that offense was pretty bad, so bad,

1244
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 1: but everybody's back. Everybody's back, including the quarterback. I feel confident.

1245
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: What's the feather I look for now? With Mountain West

1246
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 2: teams and Mountain West schedules, we.

1247
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: Look in at elevation.

1248
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 2: The highest elevation in FBS football Laramie, Wyoming.

1249
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: Friends take that.

1250
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: Over for that reason only, even though it's always the

1251
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: highest elevation. That's a good fantasy. Thing will hit every week.

1252
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: The broadcasters talking about the elevation of Laramie. But yeah,

1253
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 2: that to me pushes them over.

1254
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: I don't know why I go over's talk about air force,

1255
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: speaking of elevation HM three and three. Last year, they

1256
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: did a lot right on offense outside of creating big

1257
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: plays and winning the field position battle six thousand feet

1258
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: above sea level Colorado Springs continue. This is you. Thank you, Dan,

1259
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Outside of that, they're in a tough

1260
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: spot this year. Everybody else is bringing back fifth and

1261
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: sixty year guys. You only get four years at a

1262
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: service academy, so they aren't red shirts. The only way

1263
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: that you can bring guys back after four years is

1264
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 1: if you have something called turnbacks, which is essentially kids

1265
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: who take a semester off and then they come back later.

1266
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: This will benefit the defense this year because you're gonna

1267
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: have a number of guys who just didn't play, didn't

1268
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: do anything last fall semester, and you're going to be

1269
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: in the situation where you have guys coming back from

1270
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen team. So technically speaking, you have nine

1271
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: returning starters, which isn't a bad place to start from.

1272
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: They have to shore up the pass defense, but beyond that,

1273
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: this should be a pretty good group that's going to

1274
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: keep them in games offensively, it's a nightmare. It's a

1275
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: nightmare on offense. Yeah, they're in a bad spot. I

1276
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: mean it's, you know, continue an entirely new offensive line.

1277
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: It's not ideal for an option offense at all. No,

1278
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: So you look at this, you say the Vegas over

1279
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: under is six and a half. You want to give

1280
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: Troy Calhoun the benefit of the doubt because he's only

1281
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: had four losing seasons in fourteen years there. But I'm

1282
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: looking at the schedule. I see a road tilt at Boise,

1283
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: I see a road tilt at Nevada. We've got a

1284
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: road game at Navy, which is sort of a rival

1285
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: where you've got a neutral cider in Texas against Army.

1286
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: They have Wyoming, they have San Diego State in the schedule.

1287
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: Getting to six at six and a half is a

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01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: really good line from Vegas. I would not want to

1289
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: go over just because of uncertainty along the wine, right, Okay,

1290
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 1: I have a question for you that is complete nonsense, Yes,

1291
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: very silly. What is what is the the brand l G?

1292
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: Is that what you have that your TV? I have, yes,

1293
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: an LG in my living room. What is there is

1294
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: there are that Q lead O lead. What is that technology?

1295
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 1: Does the Q lead what is their big selling point

1296
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: LG like in terms of video or you know, visual quality. Well,

1297
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: the O lead, the O lead gives you a true

1298
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 1: black where the pixel turns off, as opposed to a

1299
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: Q LEAD or the LED where they actually have to

1300
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: simulate the black. And so the pixel, the little bulb

1301
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: is always on, the diode is always on right, and

1302
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: it's just a very dark gray in place of a

1303
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: true black.

1304
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: So I present to you, if you're gonna look in

1305
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: our slack chat Troy Calhoun's hair.

1306
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, does that shift your thinking? Wow? About about

1307
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: Air Force football? That's definitely okay. That's not true black.

1308
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: That is not Is it not true? Okay? So he

1309
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: is not your O LED coach of the Year. No, no, no, no, no,

1310
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: that is he seems happy with it, and now he's

1311
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: very happy in this picture. Right. No.

1312
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have anything to add, just that he's

1313
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 2: not your LG coach of the year. We're a very

1314
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 2: stupid show, all right. That threw me off. I'm sure

1315
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 2: it did. I mean there were years, there were years

1316
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 2: where I could not tell you the shade of and

1317
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: I don't listen, there is no shame in the game.

1318
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 2: If you want to dye your hair, dye your hair,

1319
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: but like make it look so natural, no one can

1320
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 2: tell you know what I'm saying, Tai no and doesn't

1321
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 2: look There were years looking at what less Miles was

1322
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 2: going through in terms of hair dye selection, where I

1323
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: don't think what he was working with was technically a color.

1324
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 1: It was like a like a silvery rust. What even

1325
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: is that? What am I looking at here?

1326
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: That I just can always appreciate that. I just again,

1327
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 2: you want to dye your hair, dye your hair, but

1328
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: let's subtlety, subtlety, it's the move.

1329
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Bob Diaco is always in forever. Does

1330
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: he dye his hair? No? No, I don't think he

1331
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 1: died it. It just that's that's the old head coach

1332
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: of the century. I just black hair.

1333
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 2: It's it's one of the most unexpectedly fun things to

1334
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 2: come across, like on a flight, in a restaurant, at

1335
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: the grocery store, the dry cleaners at the park, where

1336
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: somebody is just going about their day, expecting people to

1337
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:02,799
Speaker 2: not notice the drama happening atop their scalp.

1338
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: I love it.

1339
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: I can't get enough of it, and I'm sorry that

1340
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: I had to derail this Air Force.

1341
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: Preview going on with Noburns. That's fine, that's I'm not

1342
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: here to shame. I'm not here to shame people about

1343
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: their choices. It's just the magnitude of their choices. I

1344
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: don't know, Okay, I don't know. Man.

1345
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 2: I think you can look distinguished with a salt and pepper.

1346
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 2: Do you would you actually tie? Let me continue to derail.

1347
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. No, I already got the salt and pepper.

1348
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 2: Going yeah, yeah, And look, I understand that there's no

1349
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: accounting for vanity. I get it, but I don't know.

1350
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 2: If you're losing your hair, buzz your head. If you're

1351
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 2: going gray, you're going gray. If you want to be

1352
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 2: less great, be less gray, but don't be dramatically. So

1353
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 2: that's my soapbox. Colorado State, Colorado State. Let's talk about

1354
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 2: let's transfer to somebody that I can't talk about his hair.

1355
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: Steve Dazio year two. They're one to three a year ago.

1356
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: It's basically year one for him in Fort Collins. This year,

1357
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: nineteen guys back from the twenty twenty team wide receiver

1358
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: should be solid. David Bailey comes over a big guy

1359
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: from Boston College. The line returns. Everyone questions a quarterback

1360
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: Todd Santio. I don't know, man, but otherwise otherwise think

1361
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: the running game is going to get better. It is

1362
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: a question of what they're going to get at quarterback.

1363
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: Talented on defense, still gave up a ton of points

1364
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: last year. Schedule is not easy. Not easy opening up

1365
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: against San Diego State. No, opening up against South Dakota State.

1366
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 1: I have SDSU here, but don't get them confused with

1367
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: either San Diego State or South Dakota, which I did

1368
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: in the last show. South Dakota State is on easy out.

1369
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,799
Speaker 1: They go to Toledo, they play Iowa, they also play Boise.

1370
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: They go to Laramie at elevation back to back weeks,

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01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: and they close.

1372
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 2: At elevation themselves. They're prepared for this time. This is

1373
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 2: who they are. This is woven into their DNA elevation

1374
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: football four and a half is you're over under and

1375
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: they get the four. I just okay, M yeah, I

1376
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: don't see a compelling reason to take the over, but nope, sure.

1377
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 2: I don't know why they hired Steve Dazio, so I

1378
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 2: think it's just going to end poorly. I mean, I

1379
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 2: know that the connection to Urban Meyer in the athletic

1380
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 2: department and he recommended Dazio and all that and the

1381
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 2: politics behind it. I just don't think you're you're gonna

1382
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: win nine games in Colorado Springs with Steve Dazio. So

1383
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: let's go to New Mexico. Dan yep two and five

1384
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 2: last year. Another situation with the new coach and Danny Gonzalez,

1385
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 2: who has had to deal with dumb year last year,

1386
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: so effectively year one for him. His defensive coordinator is

1387
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,919
Speaker 2: Rocky Long, another guy we've talked.

1388
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: About forever between them making a shift. Yeah, between Danny

1389
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: Gonzalez and Rocky Long. There should not be issues coaching

1390
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: up this defense. There is a lot of room for improvement.

1391
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: That gave up thirty three points a game last year.

1392
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: M hmm. Not great.

1393
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 2: Now they finished eighty seventh nationally in points per drive allout,

1394
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: and that was against not killer offense.

1395
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: Not killer offenses. No. The other quick note is that

1396
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: Terry Wilson transferred over. So we talked a lot about

1397
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: Kentucky and Will Levis and they're going to change their offense.

1398
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: Terry Wilson transferred over to New Mexico, so we're gonna

1399
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: get to see more of him again. Easy kid to

1400
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: root for. I don't know what this team looks like,

1401
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: Dan the over unders four and a half, they play

1402
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: A and M, they go to San Diego State, they

1403
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: go to Wyoming too, boise, so very tough road schedule here,

1404
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: expect a whole lot. But I do hope that Danny

1405
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: Gonzales can pull it together. I do like him. I

1406
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: like what he did at ASU before coming over to

1407
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 1: New Mexico and that combination that goes back to San

1408
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: Diego State too, obviously, Yeah, san Diego State as well. Yeah. Yeah,

1409
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: so we'll see four and a half. You're over under.

1410
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't have any hard lean here, but it seems

1411
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of room for improvement.

1412
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they finish what beating Wyoming and Fresno yep, So

1413
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: I don't know what those rosters look like.

1414
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1415
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't recall the exact specifics of that game, but

1416
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: that's something to build on and defensively, if they're able

1417
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 2: to whether it's bringing in transfers from the rough area

1418
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,759
Speaker 2: of my rough I mean, like you know general area

1419
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 2: of New Mexico, which is not necessarily a hotbed for

1420
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: hotbed for college football recruiting talent. All due respect to

1421
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 2: Landrew Jones as always. Yeah, I think the defense can

1422
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 2: get to a good place. It's going to be a

1423
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: question of offense, and I I think I like the

1424
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 2: fact that Rocky Long is just calling a defense and

1425
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 2: doing what he loves. That three three five. I mean,

1426
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 2: there was like that was one of the stranger stories

1427
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago where Rocky Long was the

1428
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: head coach at San Diego State, but he was like,

1429
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm open to running the Syracuse defense, okay, so which

1430
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 2: they eventually hired a different three three five San Diego

1431
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 2: State guy. Which, by the way, that that tree with

1432
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: Zach Arnett at Mississippi State with what's happening at Syracuse now,

1433
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: what's happening or what did happen at ASU? And now

1434
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 2: is having in New Mexico. That's like a quiet impressive

1435
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 2: defensive tree right now.

1436
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's all I have. Final team in the Mountain.

1437
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: You toss State one in five a year ago, got

1438
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: rid of Gary Anderson. They're bringing over Blake Anderson, who

1439
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: had coached Arkansas State for seven years. Mm hm. Tony

1440
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,679
Speaker 1: White by the way Tony looking for with Syracuse. Yeah, continue,

1441
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: Lake Anderson hit the transfer portal hard, maybe not as

1442
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: hard as Tyson Hilton, but he tried the same move

1443
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: on offense. Yeah, brought over a bunch of new guys

1444
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: on offense on defense. The road ahead, they go to Wazoo,

1445
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 1: to San Jose State later in the year, but the

1446
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 1: bigger games against Boise, against Wyoming, against Boa, they're all

1447
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: at home. So this is going to be a work

1448
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: in progress. This is not there's no obvious solution here

1449
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: over under three. I like Blake Anderson. I hope it

1450
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: works out well for him, but I am nothing more

1451
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,799
Speaker 1: to add beyond this is a challenge and he's entertaining

1452
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: a ton of transfers, a ton of transfers this year. Yeah,

1453
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to add.

1454
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: In retrospect, it would make sense that a division known

1455
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 2: as the Mountain Future schools at high elevation.

1456
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this picture of Troy Calhoun my avatar

1457
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: and slack if that's okay with you.

1458
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 2: No, because you're your avatar and slack right now? Is

1459
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 2: you having multiple orgasm faces unintentionally during shows? And that's

1460
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:58,759
Speaker 2: it brings everybody in our slack.

1461
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: Great joy, I'm gonna switch it up up to Calhoun's

1462
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: dyed hair. Yeah.

1463
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 2: I just always have this image of somebody with over

1464
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 2: dyed hair at a bar hitting on somebody far too young.

1465
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's me, a fellow youth. I'm going to

1466
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: do this right now here. It is Troy Calhoun at

1467
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: Media Days. Is my new avatar. I just uploaded it.

1468
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: There you go down, That's what you always wanted. Now

1469
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 1: I hate it. Hate it. Well. That does it for

1470
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,480
Speaker 1: the North, That does it for the Mountain. We appreciate

1471
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: you all. Hang it with us here. We've got one

1472
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: more conference preview coming up on Friday. I will do

1473
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve South. Dan, We'll do the other half

1474
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: of the mountain West. Can I ask you one more question? Please?

1475
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: Do you get elevation sickness or seasickness? I don't get

1476
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: seasick hm, elevation sickness. I guess you haven't spent a

1477
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: lot of time at elevation, right. I've been to Portland, Oregon.

1478
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: Does that count? I don't think it's all that high up.

1479
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: So you have been anywhere in the rock.

1480
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: You haven't been a Denver, No, you haven't been Internet

1481
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 2: I know you've been to Mexico, but you didn't go

1482
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 2: to Mexico City. That's way high up. No, you have

1483
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 2: been to Machu Piachu for instance. No, I have not,

1484
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 2: So you really don't know. I don't you have elevation sickness.

1485
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: You're supposed to eat the like the cacao leaves you

1486
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: go to Machu Piachu. Know those are cow leaves. I

1487
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 2: think that's that's from the tree that produces chocolate, cocoa beans, great,

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Speaker 2: and cocaine. Eventually, Yeah, they recommend that as a way

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Speaker 2: to deal.

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Speaker 1: So you don't know, No, Ideo, if you ever been

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Speaker 1: to like a ski mountain, I've been to a ski mountain,

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Speaker 1: but not Okay, that's elevation, but not anything more than

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Speaker 1: a hill here in eastern Pennsylvania. But you like anywhere

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Speaker 1: else you've never been to like a ski mountain or

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Speaker 1: snowboarding and like Vermont or Canada or any place like that.

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Speaker 1: We really need to do a mountainous terrain tour by.

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Speaker 2: We really that the American West, the Rocky Mountain region

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Speaker 2: is Oh.

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Speaker 1: Is it the best? It's so fun? Alrighty?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean now that you've done, now that you've

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Speaker 2: previewed the Mountain Division. I feel like I have to

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Speaker 2: just to my street cred. It's a good time, all right,

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Speaker 2: get that thin air. Hm, that's all okay. I have

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Speaker 2: gotten seasick before. I think it was just once or twice,

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Speaker 2: and I've been fine since.

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Speaker 1: All Right, this has been fun yea North Mountain, West Mountain.

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Speaker 1: Soliverbal dot com is the website going out. Check out

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Speaker 1: the cool stuff we've got brewing up, and write in

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Speaker 1: soliverble at gmail dot com. As always, we appreciate your

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Speaker 1: support for the show. We've got one more conference preview

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Speaker 1: to knock out and then we're going to get to

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Speaker 1: other fun stuff. And yeah, the season is getting awfully big.

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Speaker 1: In the window, Dan very excited about Trle for that

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Speaker 1: guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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Speaker 1: Tie hilde Brand. We will be back on Friday. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, enjoy yourself, stay happy, stay solid, Peace, peace,

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Speaker 1: I'm that smile about that.