WEBVTT - Collision Course 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.600 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Oka f Daily with 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:19.239 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:26.560 It's like the news coming out about Clarence Thomas, his 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:32.680 criminal grifting ass just won't stop. And what's so infuriating 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:38.040 about the latest round of just how corrupt this Supreme 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.959 Court justice is, which is the fact that he has 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:46.560 been refusing to disclose over the last what seventeen years 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.960 or so, that he's been getting a salary from a 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:55.480 firm that no longer exists, a real estate firm that 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.680 was started in the nineteen eighties that closed in two 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.720 thousand and six, but somehow between two thousand and six 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.840 and roughly now, Clarence Thomas has somehow been getting a 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:15.200 income from there. Also latest discoveries that Harlan Crowe, Everyone's 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:22.319 favorite villain, billionaire villain, bought Clarence Thomas's childhood home, that 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.639 Clarence Thomas's mother still lives in, that she doesn't pay 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:33.720 any rent or mortgage too. Like if there was a 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:41.240 hearing an investigation that needed to be opened, I feel like, hello, Floodgates, 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:45.760 we are there. But because we know that Democrats don't 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.720 want to be called bad names by Republicans, and they 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.160 think that if they don't investigate things, then Republicans will 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.360 play nice in the sandbox. The Republican Party has lit 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.600 the sandbox on fire and filled it with gasoline. So 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.400 I'm confused about why you feel that if you do 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.840 move or you don't move, that somehow your friends from 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.559 across the aisle are going to magically turn back into 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:08.400 your friends again. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:09.320 They are not. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.000 They want you dead. They literally have said so in 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.440 so many different ways. So let's just do what the 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.640 people elected you to do, which is to make sure 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.320 that our government and our judiciary isn't filled with corrupt, 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:27.920 fucking grifters. There's an idea just throwing it out there, 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:34.560 you know, when you see this level of corruption and 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:39.520 you think about the millions of dollars that Republicans have spent, 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:44.079 whether it was on Benghazi, whether it was on their 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.799 trial to try and get rid of Bill Clinton, whether 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:52.320 it was on like bullshit investigations into the Obama administration 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:53.600 that all came. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.760 Up with zilch, right, zilch. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.959 And you look at the investigative report right now that's 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.760 being done by the New York Times, and every single 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.000 week is coming up with the new news about Clarence 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.360 Thomas and his wife Jinny and how they have been grifting, 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.760 And this wouldn't matter so much. It'd almost be comical 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.840 if he were some po dunk judge right that only 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:23.760 had state jurisdiction. No, he has jurisdiction over all of 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.639 our fucking lives. So doesn't it matter whether or not 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:32.720 he is corrupt, whether or not he's taking payoffs. My 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:40.000 fucking god, I'm just wondering when, if ever we are 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:44.160 actually going to clear the swamp out. You know, Donald Trump, 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.680 remember back in twenty sixteen, is like, Oh, We're gonna 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.320 drain the swamp. Yeah, you drained it, and you put 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:53.160 it into all the fucking streets, every single main street. 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:54.440 Right. 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.560 I feel like we've been swimming and shit for the 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:02.640 last seven years, and I'm like, can somebody take a 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:03.800 hose to this shit? 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:06.560 Ugh? 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:11.520 Anyway, I'm just really outdone, you know, on top of 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.600 the fact that the Senate Judiciary should fucking call an 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.400 emergency hearing and haul his ass and haul Chief Justice 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.520 John Roberts's ass in front of the committee, besides the 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.040 fact that Merrick Garland should open up a fucking investigation 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.640 into Clarence Thomas and his wife and should have been 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.760 doing that, even if it was only around the fucking 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.880 insurrection and not all of their grifting, fucking schemes that 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.839 they've been up against. But my god, it would be 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.360 lovely to believe that we live in a country of laws. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:47.520 I would love that. Coming up next, dear friends, on 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.240 today's show, I'm always excited when I get to have 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:57.960 one of my favorite people on joining to really delve 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:05.120 into the legal woes that this country, our democracy are facing. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.799 So coming up next to my conversation with Dahlia Lithwick, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.680 who is a New York Times best selling author of 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.560 the book Lady Justice, Women, The Law and the Battle 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.839 to Save America, and she is also a senior editor 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:24.360 at SLAT and an MSNBC contributor and the host of Amicus. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:33.240 That conversation is coming up next, folks. I am always 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.640 very excited when I get to bring back to the 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.159 show some of my friends, and Dahlia Lithwick is just 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:44.039 that the author of Lady Justice, Women, The Law and 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.000 the Battle to Save America. My fellow nerd Avenger, we 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:52.000 do Mary Trump's show together, and my fellow comrade in 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.320 crazy is what I will call it, Dahlia. I will 0:05:55.360 --> 0:06:01.600 start this off that we have had more mass shootings 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.840 than we have had days in the year. We're now 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:14.760 in April. We are facing a decision to pull FDA 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:20.040 an FDA approved medication if a pristone that aids an 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:24.520 abortion that was approved back twenty plus years ago by 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.279 the FDA is safer than a lot of over the 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:32.360 counter medications. As I've been hearing, we have learned, Dahlia, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:37.720 that Justice Clarence Thomas is a grifter and has been 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:43.200 spending a lot of his time with a known billionaire 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.880 and receiving lavish gifts somewhere of you know, five hundred 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.600 thousand dollars vacations. I'm also dying to know what a 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.800 five hundred thousand dollars vacation looks like, because I said, 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:54.440 where did he go? 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:54.880 Mars? 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:00.159 And you know, just the weaponizing of the Republican Party. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.440 I don't even know where to start. So what I 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.160 will start with is how are you faring in this 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.840 New America? 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.680 So, first of all, Danielle, it's always for me, just 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.600 like balm to the soul, no matter how bad it 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.840 is to be in conversation with you. I just feel 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.520 like I hear you in my ears so often, you 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.040 know through the day that to get to actually like 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:31.240 be with you is immensely better than being alone imagining 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:32.080 what you could say. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.920 So thank you, you know. 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:38.520 I think I want to start with one really heartening 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:44.080 piece of news, which is people are pissed off, and 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.160 to the extent that you and I have spent the 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:52.600 last what two years saying where's the energy, where's the anger? 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.840 Where are the people taking to the streets, Like holy hell, Danielle, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.880 Like they took to the streets in Tennessee, they took 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.840 to the streets in Wisconsin, and God, a Supreme Court 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:09.400 justice elected people stood in line for freaking hours to 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.320 decide a Supreme court a state supreme court race. Young 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:18.480 people who should not bear the burden of fixing our 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.520 gun problem are taking it upon themselves to do that. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.400 And so I just want to lift up before we 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:30.120 go down the like despair trail, to the extent that 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.360 this past couple of weeks has suggested to me that 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.839 people of color are awake, trans families are awake, young 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.560 people you know in school who do not want to 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:47.560 live to be massacred tomorrow are awake. I'm pretty heartened 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.400 by the fact that the slumber that you and I 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.240 have decried for a long time. Yep. 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.160 Yeah, it feels like it's abating. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.920 Now we can talk about and we probably have to 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:57.920 talk about. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.800 The through line to every single day point you just. 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:08.160 Gave, whether it's Clarence Thomas, whether it's you know, Gerrymander, supermajority, 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:12.280 legislators that don't care, whether it's you know, the madness 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.920 of the NRA, every one of those things is of 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.200 a piece with what you do when you need to 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.560 preserve power and you are in the face of a 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:26.719 juggernaut of awake people. That's it's all the same story. Yep. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:28.959 It's the through line is there, and so we can 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.000 talk about that. But I just think that the thing 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.560 that you and I have wanted to see for so long, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:39.200 which is fury and rage and passion and people standing 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.640 in the well of the Tennessee State House saying, oh, 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.720 this is not democracy, let's like take a moment and 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:50.480 say that's happening, right. Yeah, you know I will say 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:55.319 that I tweeted you know that I'm no longer going 0:09:55.360 --> 0:10:00.240 to be so cavalier about my thoughts with regard are 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.600 to Red States, because the actions that have been taken 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:11.360 by young people people of color in Tennessee in direct 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:16.760 response to the expulsion of Justin Jones and Justin Pearson 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.520 and not the white representative that make up the Tennessee 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:25.760 three really has struck a chord in me because, you know, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.760 we talk a lot because we're in this kind of 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:37.320 space where it's trying to use our platform and voices to. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.600 Sound an alarm right that all is not well. And 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.800 I think that the Republicans, and I want to ask you, 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.920 did they overplay their hand like we continue to say, oh, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.760 this is going to be the tipping point, This is 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.160 the tipping point, and maybe there isn't ever going to 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.800 be just one. Maybe it is it is the domino 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.439 that tips in. It's a series that you know, falls 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.079 one right after the other. But what the Republican parties 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:07.000 move in Tennessee. I think they thought that nobody was 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:11.400 gonna give a damn. I really think that these people 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:16.120 are so far gone in the pocket of the NRA 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.439 and in these supermajorities that they're like, nobody's gonna care 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.840 if we expel these young black guys like, it's Tennessee. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.480 It's the founding ground of the klu klux Klan. So 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:30.760 is this for you? 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.400 Is it a domino? Is it in an inflection point? 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:35.040 What is it? 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:35.640 It's both? 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.839 I think it's both, Danielle, I think it is. And 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:45.400 the same can be said of Judge Cosmaric's laughable Mithipristo 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.000 and order in Amarillo. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:47.360 Right. 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:52.320 It is massively overplaying a hand. It is saying, yeah, 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:57.080 I'm looking around, I can tell that massive majorities of 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.760 people want and depend on medication abortion, that I do 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:04.160 not have the authority to do this and I don't care, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.360 which is exactly what we saw in the Tennessee State House. Right. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.840 Chriylyn Eiffel came on Amicus my podcast last week and 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:15.119 she just made the point, and I think this is important. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:21.040 What we saw in Tennessee wasn't just a ridiculous power grab, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.760 but it was an insult to the idea of due 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.960 process because none of the folks who were expelled were 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.120 given notice, They were not given any indication of what 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.120 their rights were. They were not told how they could 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:38.320 correct these decorum violations. They were just booted, right, unheard of, 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.840 unheard of in a state legislative body. But it was 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.880 also a suppression of speech in the purest sense. Right. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.520 These are people whose microphones were literally turned off so 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.120 they could turned off, yep, And so they come in 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.640 with bullhorns because they have a right to be heard. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.840 And then that's seen as a decorum breach. And by 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.640 the way, it's not a decorum breach to be a 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.440 child molester in the Tennessee State House. It's not a 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.600 decorum breach to urinate in someone's see like, all that's fine, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:10.000 but Okay, what Sherlyn's point was, and I think it's important, 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.040 is that it is clear that we saw what happened 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.640 in Tennessee, but what we didn't necessarily clock. And this 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:18.959 is where you and I I think. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:19.560 Have work to do. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:25.480 Is that we are seeing Wisconsin legislature that plans to, 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:30.000 you know, either impeach the newly seated you know, pro 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:35.000 abortion justice or strip the state Supreme Court of its powers. 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:35.200 Right. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.680 We are seeing gerrymandered state legislatures around the country saying 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.760 maybe we can take power away from Fannie Willis in 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.360 Georgia so she can't prosecute Donald Trump. Right. We are 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:53.199 seeing laser focus on making sure that elected officials cannot 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.520 do the duties of their office and thus disenfranchising you know, 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.720 one hundreds and thousands of people who voted for them. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.440 So that's the bad news. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.560 Right. We're focused, and I think you're right. Our eyes 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.360 have been and our hearts have been on the floor 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.680 of the Tennessee State House. But we ignore what's happening 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:14.040 in North Carolina. We ignore what's happening in Georgia at 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.760 our peril. So that's the first thing. I think. The 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:21.480 other thing is that when I hold up the abortion decision, 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:27.920 Clarence Thomas's ridiculous self justification that like somebody somewhere told 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.360 him that it wasn't in violations of the disclosure rules, 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.720 so he's fine, this face left nameless person. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.240 Yeah, you know, this is a textualist, right. 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.360 His whole life is dedicated to like the original meaning 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:41.880 of the text, but he doesn't have to read it 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.240 because some guys told him when it meant okay. But 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:48.360 I think every one of those is a really chilling 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:54.840 version of what you and I would call authoritarianism, autocracy, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.800 you know, creeping fascism, because it is people who know 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.240 what they are doing. They've all been caught out and 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.720 they don't care. And so what's scary to me is 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.080 I think that there is a foot race happening, Danielle 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:14.760 between it is clear like energized angry, particularly young, you know, women, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.760 people of color, voters who know what vote suppression looks like. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:20.760 It turns out they know exactly what it looks like. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:25.520 This isn't complicated, and a machinery, a jerrymandered machinery that 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.280 goes all the way up to a gerrymandered Supreme Court 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.800 supermajority that doesn't care. And that's I think, just the 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:35.280 moment we're in. And so the tipping point, I think 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.000 cuts both ways. We're either going to tilt back into 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.680 democracy that functions as it should, or we're going to 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.600 tilt into something that looks like Hungary. I think it's 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.000 one or the other. And I think that we don't 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.280 have much further to go on this collision course between 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:50.040 these two fourths. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:51.640 Yeah, we're right there. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.800 I'm so glad that you painted the imagery because that's 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.480 the fear that I have now a couple of years ago, 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.040 you know, and folks who listen to my show, not 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.280 that I said this back in twenty sixteen. I said, 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.720 the election of Donald Trump is white supremacy's last stand, right, 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.680 But much in the same way that a person, you know, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.520 six months into the one hundred Year War was saying, 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.840 I can't wait until this thing is over. I never said, oh, 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.560 it was going to be in four years, is going 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.880 to be in seven years. I just said what I said, 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.320 which is that this is going to be white supremacies 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.480 last stand. We are seeing this as you have laid 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.160 out all of the other legislatures, all of the other 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.080 moves that are being made to quell the voices right 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.480 and the power of the people, which is what democracy 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:42.240 is built on. When I think about this collision, course, though, Dahlia, 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:49.880 I think about revolution. I think about other breaking points 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:55.960 in our country's history where the people have said enough 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.200 is enough. The reason why I look at Tennessee and 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:04.560 I find that mustard seed of hope grow is because 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:10.119 I'm like, oh, to your point, they're awake, right, This 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.240 is no longer about what's happening to those people over 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.040 there that I may never know. To those trans folks, 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.679 I don't know anybody trans. To those black folks, I 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.520 don't know anybody black, you know, to those queer people, 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.640 blah blah blah. I don't know anybody that's had an abortion, 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:28.399 So like they're the distance that people were able to 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.760 have between themselves and the communities that were being targeted 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.719 has now shrunk because they're coming for you and your voice, 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:36.359 all of you. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.200 Does tennesse Se. 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.840 Make us think then that hungry isn't a possibility, because 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.119 what it is showing me is that what they want, 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.679 what the right wants, Dahlia, I think is violence. I 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.680 believe what they want is violence. I believe what they 0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:01.040 want is the ability to say, see, you see what 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.920 they did. That's why we had to come out guns blazing. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:12.640 That their end goal is this bloodshed in America, that 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:16.240 they can develop some type of righteous indignation around. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:16.960 Am I crazy? 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.240 But no, That's what Donald Trump's presence in Waco signal to. 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.400 Me, You're not crazy, a proof of concept. Greg Abbott 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.960 wants to pardon somebody who said he would and did 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.960 drive his car into a Black Lives Matter protest in 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.760 Texas and he said, I'm right. He was threatening to 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:45.440 kill lawful First Amendment protesters and without that case even 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:50.200 coming to him, without knowing one fact about jury deliberations, 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.200 we have Greg Abbott saying like, send me the pardon. 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.720 I'm going to pardon him. Right, that's it, that's it. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:59.040 It's Kyle Rittenhouse, it's Donald Trump, you know, walking through 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.960 a piece full of Black Lives Matter protests in Lafayette 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.800 Square with this show of course. So yes, of course 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.960 it's that. And I think the other example of that 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.239 is the comparisons we heard from the speaker of the 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.720 Tennessee State House. 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:15.720 Saying that what. 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.359 Justin Pearson and Justin Jones were doing was exactly the 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.040 same as, if not worse than, what happened on January sixth, 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:31.720 when armed insurrectionists loaded to kill killed people, and that 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.520 it's the same thing to have two black men walk 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:41.000 through the chamber in solidarity with gun reformed students who 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:42.520 write and their parents. 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.040 So you're exactly right. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.200 The seeds that are being sown are if we can 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.720 portray these two things, as you know, it's like what 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:57.240 about ISM's wet dream, right that waiful protests by minority 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.879 groups who are saying we want to be heard because 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.080 you have silenced every mechanism for us to be heard. Right, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.439 look at the laws they're passing in Florida that make 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.440 it impossible even to go to the State House to protest, right, 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.200 so then you try to find a space to be heard, 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.800 and that is tantamount to armed insurrection. No it's not, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.199 but that's the language that's being used. And so, you know, 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.520 here's the other thing that I'm going to quote my 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.000 friend Daniel Moody, who says all the time, you know 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.000 the other thing that worries me, I feel the way 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:31.080 you do. I am so chuffed and heartened by what 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.000 I saw in Tennessee. I am so I spent last 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.880 week with a bunch of women in Ohio who are 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:41.560 trying to get abortion, you know, up on the ballot 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:45.280 by getting signatures. I mean, in my view, like watching 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:46.560 people wake up is. 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:49.040 Remarkable. 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.320 But my friend Daniel Moody would be reminding me right now. 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:57.680 She would be saying, where's the American Bar Association, Where 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:03.800 is the academy? Where is is the organized leadership of 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:04.520 the party? 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:05.680 Why are they? 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.399 And huge props to Kamala Harris for really getting voice 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:13.119 to what happened in Tennessee. You know, I think that 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.560 part of what scares me is you have this ground 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:21.400 swell of fury around guns and abortion and the environment 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.240 and book bands right now in this country, and we 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.159 look up and where are the leaders and where is 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.520 the messaging and where is the plan? And where is 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:35.040 the like grown up saying, so, get on your school boards, 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:39.520 get on your county you know, election boards. Where is 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.439 the voice telling people here's where to channel that? And 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.840 what my frustration is is I feel like this awakeness, 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.159 which really could be at a tipping point, is not 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:56.080 being directed or purposive or even acknowledged or seen beyond 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.920 like having cable news shows watching. So I guess that's 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.119 where like my heart hurts a little bit in this 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:07.280 conversation is where is our leadership? Where are the institutions? 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:09.240 You know? 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.800 What I would say now is that when we look 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:18.200 back in history, the revolutions, the movements did not come 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:22.320 from on high. They never do because those that are 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.520 on high believe that there is still something within a 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.960 broken system to work in repair. And I'm gonna ask 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:33.199 you because here you are a part of America's legal system, 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:38.440 and I'll say, we're at a point where we have 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:43.320 people that have been illegally sat on the Supreme Court. 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:45.720 In my humble opinion, I'm not a lawyer, you are, 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:49.200 but I've been illegally sat and then you have now 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:54.840 a grifter and his wife, right, grifting off of his 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:59.920 position in Clarence thomasin and Jinny Thomas. Has the room 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:06.560 of law been bent to the breaking point because without 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:11.760 the function of rule of law, Dahlia, we are a 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:17.120 Banana republic. I have faith in those young revolutionaries, right, 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.760 I have faith that they're gonna keep pushing because they 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.480 don't want to have the fear of going into school 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.119 every day and possibly dying. They don't want to have 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.919 the fear of being forced to carry babies that they 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:30.479 don't want and can't care for. 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:31.280 They don't want the. 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.520 Fear of moving through a life where they're chewing the 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:38.080 air or can't go outside because it's no longer safe 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:42.560 because of climate change, like they are already seeing, and 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.199 because they are young, don't have yet the voice to 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.439 be able to vote, but then watching democracy die. So 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:52.439 I'm not concerned about those revolutionaries because I believe that 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:56.240 they are coming. I believe that they are awakening, one 0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:00.200 by one by one, unplugging from the matrix, if you will. 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:05.560 I am, however, looking at all of these establishments, and 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:08.280 I'm like the rest of us feel like we're under attack. 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:09.840 What the fuck are you seeing? 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:16.840 So I want to say one point of correction slash clarification, 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.960 which is that Clarence Thomas and Jinny Thomas are not grifting. 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.960 The crime to me isn't the grifting. The crime is 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.639 that they are bought and sold. In other words, Okay, 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:29.479 it's not just you know, Evranka Trump getting you know, 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:35.000 patents to make shitting, getting heels and you know, using 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:36.080 child labor. 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:37.960 This is so much worse. 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:44.439 This is Harlan Crowe apparently Nazi Insignia Ensusius. 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:49.359 Oh yes, enthusiasts, horribly tail napkins. He has cocktail napkin. 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.080 And a sculpture guard, because who among us does not 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:56.160 have a sculpture garden dedicated to and assigned copy of Mind. 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:56.600 Hand Mind Cume. 0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:03.240 But he is pouring millions of dollars into gifts and 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:11.160 into helping prop up organizations that Ginny Thomas pays herself from, 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:17.080