1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Oka f Daily with 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: It's like the news coming out about Clarence Thomas, his 4 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: criminal grifting ass just won't stop. And what's so infuriating 5 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: about the latest round of just how corrupt this Supreme 6 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 1: Court justice is, which is the fact that he has 7 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: been refusing to disclose over the last what seventeen years 8 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: or so, that he's been getting a salary from a 9 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: firm that no longer exists, a real estate firm that 10 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: was started in the nineteen eighties that closed in two 11 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: thousand and six, but somehow between two thousand and six 12 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: and roughly now, Clarence Thomas has somehow been getting a 13 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: income from there. Also latest discoveries that Harlan Crowe, Everyone's 14 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: favorite villain, billionaire villain, bought Clarence Thomas's childhood home, that 15 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas's mother still lives in, that she doesn't pay 16 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: any rent or mortgage too. Like if there was a 17 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: hearing an investigation that needed to be opened, I feel like, hello, Floodgates, 18 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: we are there. But because we know that Democrats don't 19 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: want to be called bad names by Republicans, and they 20 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: think that if they don't investigate things, then Republicans will 21 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: play nice in the sandbox. The Republican Party has lit 22 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: the sandbox on fire and filled it with gasoline. So 23 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm confused about why you feel that if you do 24 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: move or you don't move, that somehow your friends from 25 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 1: across the aisle are going to magically turn back into 26 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: your friends again. 27 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: They are not. 28 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: They want you dead. They literally have said so in 29 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: so many different ways. So let's just do what the 30 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: people elected you to do, which is to make sure 31 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: that our government and our judiciary isn't filled with corrupt, 32 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: fucking grifters. There's an idea just throwing it out there, 33 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, when you see this level of corruption and 34 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: you think about the millions of dollars that Republicans have spent, 35 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: whether it was on Benghazi, whether it was on their 36 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: trial to try and get rid of Bill Clinton, whether 37 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: it was on like bullshit investigations into the Obama administration 38 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: that all came. 39 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: Up with zilch, right, zilch. 40 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: And you look at the investigative report right now that's 41 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: being done by the New York Times, and every single 42 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: week is coming up with the new news about Clarence 43 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: Thomas and his wife Jinny and how they have been grifting, 44 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: And this wouldn't matter so much. It'd almost be comical 45 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: if he were some po dunk judge right that only 46 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: had state jurisdiction. No, he has jurisdiction over all of 47 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: our fucking lives. So doesn't it matter whether or not 48 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: he is corrupt, whether or not he's taking payoffs. My 49 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: fucking god, I'm just wondering when, if ever we are 50 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: actually going to clear the swamp out. You know, Donald Trump, 51 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: remember back in twenty sixteen, is like, Oh, We're gonna 52 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: drain the swamp. Yeah, you drained it, and you put 53 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: it into all the fucking streets, every single main street. 54 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: Right. 55 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: I feel like we've been swimming and shit for the 56 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: last seven years, and I'm like, can somebody take a 57 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: hose to this shit? 58 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: Ugh? 59 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm just really outdone, you know, on top of 60 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: the fact that the Senate Judiciary should fucking call an 61 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: emergency hearing and haul his ass and haul Chief Justice 62 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: John Roberts's ass in front of the committee, besides the 63 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: fact that Merrick Garland should open up a fucking investigation 64 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: into Clarence Thomas and his wife and should have been 65 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: doing that, even if it was only around the fucking 66 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: insurrection and not all of their grifting, fucking schemes that 67 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: they've been up against. But my god, it would be 68 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: lovely to believe that we live in a country of laws. 69 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: I would love that. Coming up next, dear friends, on 70 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: today's show, I'm always excited when I get to have 71 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: one of my favorite people on joining to really delve 72 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: into the legal woes that this country, our democracy are facing. 73 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: So coming up next to my conversation with Dahlia Lithwick, 74 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: who is a New York Times best selling author of 75 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: the book Lady Justice, Women, The Law and the Battle 76 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: to Save America, and she is also a senior editor 77 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: at SLAT and an MSNBC contributor and the host of Amicus. 78 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: That conversation is coming up next, folks. I am always 79 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: very excited when I get to bring back to the 80 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: show some of my friends, and Dahlia Lithwick is just 81 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: that the author of Lady Justice, Women, The Law and 82 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: the Battle to Save America. My fellow nerd Avenger, we 83 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: do Mary Trump's show together, and my fellow comrade in 84 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: crazy is what I will call it, Dahlia. I will 85 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: start this off that we have had more mass shootings 86 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: than we have had days in the year. We're now 87 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: in April. We are facing a decision to pull FDA 88 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: an FDA approved medication if a pristone that aids an 89 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: abortion that was approved back twenty plus years ago by 90 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: the FDA is safer than a lot of over the 91 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: counter medications. As I've been hearing, we have learned, Dahlia, 92 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: that Justice Clarence Thomas is a grifter and has been 93 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: spending a lot of his time with a known billionaire 94 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: and receiving lavish gifts somewhere of you know, five hundred 95 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: thousand dollars vacations. I'm also dying to know what a 96 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars vacation looks like, because I said, 97 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: where did he go? 98 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: Mars? 99 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: And you know, just the weaponizing of the Republican Party. 100 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start. So what I 101 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: will start with is how are you faring in this 102 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: New America? 103 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: So, first of all, Danielle, it's always for me, just 104 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: like balm to the soul, no matter how bad it 105 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: is to be in conversation with you. I just feel 106 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: like I hear you in my ears so often, you 107 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: know through the day that to get to actually like 108 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: be with you is immensely better than being alone imagining 109 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: what you could say. 110 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: So thank you, you know. 111 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: I think I want to start with one really heartening 112 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: piece of news, which is people are pissed off, and 113 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: to the extent that you and I have spent the 114 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: last what two years saying where's the energy, where's the anger? 115 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: Where are the people taking to the streets, Like holy hell, Danielle, 116 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: Like they took to the streets in Tennessee, they took 117 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: to the streets in Wisconsin, and God, a Supreme Court 118 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: justice elected people stood in line for freaking hours to 119 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: decide a Supreme court a state supreme court race. Young 120 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: people who should not bear the burden of fixing our 121 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: gun problem are taking it upon themselves to do that. 122 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: And so I just want to lift up before we 123 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: go down the like despair trail, to the extent that 124 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: this past couple of weeks has suggested to me that 125 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: people of color are awake, trans families are awake, young 126 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: people you know in school who do not want to 127 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: live to be massacred tomorrow are awake. I'm pretty heartened 128 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: by the fact that the slumber that you and I 129 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: have decried for a long time. Yep. 130 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like it's abating. 131 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: Now we can talk about and we probably have to 132 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: talk about. 133 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: The through line to every single day point you just. 134 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: Gave, whether it's Clarence Thomas, whether it's you know, Gerrymander, supermajority, 135 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: legislators that don't care, whether it's you know, the madness 136 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: of the NRA, every one of those things is of 137 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: a piece with what you do when you need to 138 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: preserve power and you are in the face of a 139 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 3: juggernaut of awake people. That's it's all the same story. Yep. 140 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 3: It's the through line is there, and so we can 141 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: talk about that. But I just think that the thing 142 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: that you and I have wanted to see for so long, 143 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: which is fury and rage and passion and people standing 144 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: in the well of the Tennessee State House saying, oh, 145 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: this is not democracy, let's like take a moment and 146 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: say that's happening, right. Yeah, you know I will say 147 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 3: that I tweeted you know that I'm no longer going 148 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 3: to be so cavalier about my thoughts with regard are 149 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: to Red States, because the actions that have been taken 150 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: by young people people of color in Tennessee in direct 151 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: response to the expulsion of Justin Jones and Justin Pearson 152 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: and not the white representative that make up the Tennessee 153 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 3: three really has struck a chord in me because, you know, 154 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: we talk a lot because we're in this kind of 155 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: space where it's trying to use our platform and voices to. 156 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: Sound an alarm right that all is not well. And 157 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: I think that the Republicans, and I want to ask you, 158 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: did they overplay their hand like we continue to say, oh, 159 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: this is going to be the tipping point, This is 160 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: the tipping point, and maybe there isn't ever going to 161 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: be just one. Maybe it is it is the domino 162 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: that tips in. It's a series that you know, falls 163 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: one right after the other. But what the Republican parties 164 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: move in Tennessee. I think they thought that nobody was 165 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: gonna give a damn. I really think that these people 166 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: are so far gone in the pocket of the NRA 167 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: and in these supermajorities that they're like, nobody's gonna care 168 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: if we expel these young black guys like, it's Tennessee. 169 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: It's the founding ground of the klu klux Klan. So 170 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: is this for you? 171 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: Is it a domino? Is it in an inflection point? 172 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: What is it? 173 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: It's both? 174 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 3: I think it's both, Danielle, I think it is. And 175 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: the same can be said of Judge Cosmaric's laughable Mithipristo 176 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: and order in Amarillo. 177 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: Right. 178 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: It is massively overplaying a hand. It is saying, yeah, 179 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: I'm looking around, I can tell that massive majorities of 180 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: people want and depend on medication abortion, that I do 181 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: not have the authority to do this and I don't care, 182 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: which is exactly what we saw in the Tennessee State House. Right. 183 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: Chriylyn Eiffel came on Amicus my podcast last week and 184 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,119 Speaker 3: she just made the point, and I think this is important. 185 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: What we saw in Tennessee wasn't just a ridiculous power grab, 186 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: but it was an insult to the idea of due 187 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: process because none of the folks who were expelled were 188 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: given notice, They were not given any indication of what 189 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: their rights were. They were not told how they could 190 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 3: correct these decorum violations. They were just booted, right, unheard of, 191 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: unheard of in a state legislative body. But it was 192 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: also a suppression of speech in the purest sense. Right. 193 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: These are people whose microphones were literally turned off so 194 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: they could turned off, yep, And so they come in 195 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: with bullhorns because they have a right to be heard. 196 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: And then that's seen as a decorum breach. And by 197 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: the way, it's not a decorum breach to be a 198 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: child molester in the Tennessee State House. It's not a 199 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: decorum breach to urinate in someone's see like, all that's fine, 200 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 3: but Okay, what Sherlyn's point was, and I think it's important, 201 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: is that it is clear that we saw what happened 202 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: in Tennessee, but what we didn't necessarily clock. And this 203 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 3: is where you and I I think. 204 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: Have work to do. 205 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: Is that we are seeing Wisconsin legislature that plans to, 206 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: you know, either impeach the newly seated you know, pro 207 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 3: abortion justice or strip the state Supreme Court of its powers. 208 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: Right. 209 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 3: We are seeing gerrymandered state legislatures around the country saying 210 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: maybe we can take power away from Fannie Willis in 211 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: Georgia so she can't prosecute Donald Trump. Right. We are 212 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 3: seeing laser focus on making sure that elected officials cannot 213 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: do the duties of their office and thus disenfranchising you know, 214 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: one hundreds and thousands of people who voted for them. 215 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: So that's the bad news. 216 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: Right. We're focused, and I think you're right. Our eyes 217 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: have been and our hearts have been on the floor 218 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 3: of the Tennessee State House. But we ignore what's happening 219 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: in North Carolina. We ignore what's happening in Georgia at 220 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: our peril. So that's the first thing. I think. The 221 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: other thing is that when I hold up the abortion decision, 222 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas's ridiculous self justification that like somebody somewhere told 223 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: him that it wasn't in violations of the disclosure rules, 224 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: so he's fine, this face left nameless person. 225 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this is a textualist, right. 226 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: His whole life is dedicated to like the original meaning 227 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: of the text, but he doesn't have to read it 228 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: because some guys told him when it meant okay. But 229 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: I think every one of those is a really chilling 230 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: version of what you and I would call authoritarianism, autocracy, 231 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: you know, creeping fascism, because it is people who know 232 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: what they are doing. They've all been caught out and 233 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: they don't care. And so what's scary to me is 234 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: I think that there is a foot race happening, Danielle 235 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: between it is clear like energized angry, particularly young, you know, women, 236 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: people of color, voters who know what vote suppression looks like. 237 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: It turns out they know exactly what it looks like. 238 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: This isn't complicated, and a machinery, a jerrymandered machinery that 239 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: goes all the way up to a gerrymandered Supreme Court 240 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: supermajority that doesn't care. And that's I think, just the 241 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: moment we're in. And so the tipping point, I think 242 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: cuts both ways. We're either going to tilt back into 243 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: democracy that functions as it should, or we're going to 244 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: tilt into something that looks like Hungary. I think it's 245 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: one or the other. And I think that we don't 246 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: have much further to go on this collision course between 247 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: these two fourths. 248 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're right there. 249 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you painted the imagery because that's 250 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: the fear that I have now a couple of years ago, 251 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, and folks who listen to my show, not 252 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: that I said this back in twenty sixteen. I said, 253 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: the election of Donald Trump is white supremacy's last stand, right, 254 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: But much in the same way that a person, you know, 255 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: six months into the one hundred Year War was saying, 256 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: I can't wait until this thing is over. I never said, oh, 257 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: it was going to be in four years, is going 258 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: to be in seven years. I just said what I said, 259 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: which is that this is going to be white supremacies 260 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: last stand. We are seeing this as you have laid 261 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: out all of the other legislatures, all of the other 262 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: moves that are being made to quell the voices right 263 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: and the power of the people, which is what democracy 264 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: is built on. When I think about this collision, course, though, Dahlia, 265 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: I think about revolution. I think about other breaking points 266 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: in our country's history where the people have said enough 267 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: is enough. The reason why I look at Tennessee and 268 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: I find that mustard seed of hope grow is because 269 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, to your point, they're awake, right, This 270 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: is no longer about what's happening to those people over 271 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: there that I may never know. To those trans folks, 272 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody trans. To those black folks, I 273 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: don't know anybody black, you know, to those queer people, 274 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I don't know anybody that's had an abortion, 275 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: So like they're the distance that people were able to 276 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: have between themselves and the communities that were being targeted 277 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: has now shrunk because they're coming for you and your voice, 278 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: all of you. 279 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: Does tennesse Se. 280 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: Make us think then that hungry isn't a possibility, because 281 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: what it is showing me is that what they want, 282 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: what the right wants, Dahlia, I think is violence. I 283 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: believe what they want is violence. I believe what they 284 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: want is the ability to say, see, you see what 285 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: they did. That's why we had to come out guns blazing. 286 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: That their end goal is this bloodshed in America, that 287 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: they can develop some type of righteous indignation around. 288 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: Am I crazy? 289 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: But no, That's what Donald Trump's presence in Waco signal to. 290 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: Me, You're not crazy, a proof of concept. Greg Abbott 291 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: wants to pardon somebody who said he would and did 292 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: drive his car into a Black Lives Matter protest in 293 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: Texas and he said, I'm right. He was threatening to 294 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: kill lawful First Amendment protesters and without that case even 295 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: coming to him, without knowing one fact about jury deliberations, 296 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 3: we have Greg Abbott saying like, send me the pardon. 297 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to pardon him. Right, that's it, that's it. 298 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: It's Kyle Rittenhouse, it's Donald Trump, you know, walking through 299 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: a piece full of Black Lives Matter protests in Lafayette 300 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 3: Square with this show of course. So yes, of course 301 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: it's that. And I think the other example of that 302 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 3: is the comparisons we heard from the speaker of the 303 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: Tennessee State House. 304 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: Saying that what. 305 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: Justin Pearson and Justin Jones were doing was exactly the 306 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 3: same as, if not worse than, what happened on January sixth, 307 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 3: when armed insurrectionists loaded to kill killed people, and that 308 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: it's the same thing to have two black men walk 309 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: through the chamber in solidarity with gun reformed students who 310 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: write and their parents. 311 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: So you're exactly right. 312 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: The seeds that are being sown are if we can 313 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 3: portray these two things, as you know, it's like what 314 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: about ISM's wet dream, right that waiful protests by minority 315 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: groups who are saying we want to be heard because 316 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: you have silenced every mechanism for us to be heard. Right, 317 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 3: look at the laws they're passing in Florida that make 318 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 3: it impossible even to go to the State House to protest, right, 319 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 3: so then you try to find a space to be heard, 320 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: and that is tantamount to armed insurrection. No it's not, 321 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 3: but that's the language that's being used. And so, you know, 322 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: here's the other thing that I'm going to quote my 323 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: friend Daniel Moody, who says all the time, you know 324 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: the other thing that worries me, I feel the way 325 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: you do. I am so chuffed and heartened by what 326 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: I saw in Tennessee. I am so I spent last 327 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 3: week with a bunch of women in Ohio who are 328 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: trying to get abortion, you know, up on the ballot 329 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: by getting signatures. I mean, in my view, like watching 330 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: people wake up is. 331 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: Remarkable. 332 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 3: But my friend Daniel Moody would be reminding me right now. 333 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: She would be saying, where's the American Bar Association, Where 334 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 3: is the academy? Where is is the organized leadership of 335 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 3: the party? 336 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: Why are they? 337 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 3: And huge props to Kamala Harris for really getting voice 338 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 3: to what happened in Tennessee. You know, I think that 339 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: part of what scares me is you have this ground 340 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 3: swell of fury around guns and abortion and the environment 341 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: and book bands right now in this country, and we 342 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 3: look up and where are the leaders and where is 343 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: the messaging and where is the plan? And where is 344 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: the like grown up saying, so, get on your school boards, 345 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: get on your county you know, election boards. Where is 346 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 3: the voice telling people here's where to channel that? And 347 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: what my frustration is is I feel like this awakeness, 348 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 3: which really could be at a tipping point, is not 349 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: being directed or purposive or even acknowledged or seen beyond 350 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: like having cable news shows watching. So I guess that's 351 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 3: where like my heart hurts a little bit in this 352 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: conversation is where is our leadership? Where are the institutions? 353 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 4: You know? 354 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: What I would say now is that when we look 355 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: back in history, the revolutions, the movements did not come 356 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: from on high. They never do because those that are 357 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: on high believe that there is still something within a 358 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: broken system to work in repair. And I'm gonna ask 359 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: you because here you are a part of America's legal system, 360 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: and I'll say, we're at a point where we have 361 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: people that have been illegally sat on the Supreme Court. 362 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: In my humble opinion, I'm not a lawyer, you are, 363 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: but I've been illegally sat and then you have now 364 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: a grifter and his wife, right, grifting off of his 365 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: position in Clarence thomasin and Jinny Thomas. Has the room 366 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: of law been bent to the breaking point because without 367 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: the function of rule of law, Dahlia, we are a 368 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: Banana republic. I have faith in those young revolutionaries, right, 369 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: I have faith that they're gonna keep pushing because they 370 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: don't want to have the fear of going into school 371 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: every day and possibly dying. They don't want to have 372 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: the fear of being forced to carry babies that they 373 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 1: don't want and can't care for. 374 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: They don't want the. 375 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: Fear of moving through a life where they're chewing the 376 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: air or can't go outside because it's no longer safe 377 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: because of climate change, like they are already seeing, and 378 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: because they are young, don't have yet the voice to 379 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: be able to vote, but then watching democracy die. So 380 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about those revolutionaries because I believe that 381 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: they are coming. I believe that they are awakening, one 382 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: by one by one, unplugging from the matrix, if you will. 383 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: I am, however, looking at all of these establishments, and 384 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm like the rest of us feel like we're under attack. 385 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: What the fuck are you seeing? 386 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: So I want to say one point of correction slash clarification, 387 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: which is that Clarence Thomas and Jinny Thomas are not grifting. 388 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 3: The crime to me isn't the grifting. The crime is 389 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 3: that they are bought and sold. In other words, Okay, 390 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 3: it's not just you know, Evranka Trump getting you know, 391 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: patents to make shitting, getting heels and you know, using 392 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: child labor. 393 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: This is so much worse. 394 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 3: This is Harlan Crowe apparently Nazi Insignia Ensusius. 395 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: Oh yes, enthusiasts, horribly tail napkins. He has cocktail napkin. 396 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: And a sculpture guard, because who among us does not 397 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 3: have a sculpture garden dedicated to and assigned copy of Mind. 398 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: Hand Mind Cume. 399 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: But he is pouring millions of dollars into gifts and 400 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 3: into helping prop up organizations that Ginny Thomas pays herself from, 401 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: and he is pouring dark money into all these cases 402 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 3: and causes. So I'm not bothered. I mean I'm bothered 403 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 3: that Clarence Thomas takes you know, free super jets and 404 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 3: yachts and cruises only in so far as you know, 405 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 3: the load star of the Judicial Ethics Statute is the 406 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: appearance of impropriety. He's supposed to care how things look. 407 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 3: And I'm bothered, I mean, at least pretend to. Yeah, 408 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 3: I'm bothered that he doesn't care. I mean, I'm enough 409 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: of an institutionalist that I think that when a justice 410 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 3: on the Supreme Court says I don't care what the 411 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: American public thinks, that institution is dead. 412 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: It's gone. So that bothers me. 413 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 3: But but I want to pan back because I think, 414 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: and this is why, you know, your very first sort 415 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 3: of anime question is the right one. These things are 416 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: all of a piece, because you know how we got supermajority, 417 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: the jerrymandered state houses by a long string of five 418 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 3: to four and then six to three decisions come on 419 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 3: by the Supreme Court that is bought and sold by 420 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 3: people like Harlan Crowe. Right, So, whether it's Citizens United 421 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: opening the spigot to dark money, whether it's Shelby County 422 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 3: functionally ending the Voting Rights Act, whether it's Bernovich functionally 423 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: ending the rest of the Voting Rights Act, Rucho allowing 424 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 3: jerry mandery, you can pick the case. All of the 425 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: cases that destroy unions and organizing all of the cases 426 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: that put the thumb on the scale for big business. 427 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: So the grift for me isn't Clarence Thomas's grift. It's 428 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 3: Harlan Crow's grift. It's him and people like him and 429 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 3: all those people in that painting in a painting, sitting 430 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: there with Leonard Leo, with Mark Poletta, with Clarence Thomas 431 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 3: and Harlan Crow buying constitutional democracy out from under us 432 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: and then commemorating it in art. And so the world 433 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: we live in now, the world that ejected the justice 434 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 3: from the Tennessee State House, that's the world that Clarence 435 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: Thomas helped to build. And he did it with Harlan 436 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: Crowe's money. And so I just want to be really 437 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 3: clear that these stories are connected. It is not just 438 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 3: the outrage. I don't give a damn a buck quid 439 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: pro quote corruption from Clarence Thomas. I don't care what 440 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 3: he grifted off. But I care so very deeply that. 441 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 2: We are not focused on the. 442 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: Part of the story that is how easy and cheap 443 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 3: it was to buy a Supreme Court. And once you 444 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: bought that Supreme Court, you could create state legislatures in 445 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: fifty to fifty states that are seventy five to twenty 446 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 3: five legislatures. That was a gift to Harlan Crowe and 447 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 3: his ilk. That's the thing we should be crazy about 448 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 3: right now. 449 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. I'll say this 450 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: because other than the people pouring into the streets, other 451 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: than the people saying that we have had enough, other 452 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: than the people not going silently into the cold, dark 453 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: night and just accepting their fate, because we have allowed 454 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: a process by which a multi billionaire can buy and 455 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: sell the Supreme Court like it's a piece on a 456 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: fucking monopoly board. 457 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: Right, it is. 458 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: Going to be the will of the people that is 459 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: going to be the decision maker between whether we are 460 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: Hungry two point zero or America two point zero. And 461 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the last question I have for you, 462 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: Dahlia is shake your magic eight balls, shake your crystal 463 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: ball from me? What's your money on? 464 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: Oh boy? 465 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: You know, whenever you're betting on the likelihood of being 466 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: becoming hungry, are in a like dark, dark place. And 467 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: you and I have gone to dark places, but maybe 468 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: this is the darkest. 469 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I think. 470 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: I think that the reason we are seeing what we 471 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: saw in Tennessee. The reason we are seeing Ron DeSantis 472 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 3: do what he is doing in Florida, the reason Greg 473 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: Abbott wants to preemptively pardon the next Kyle Rittenhouse is because, 474 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 3: as I said at the beginning, we are really on 475 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: the line. In other words, they are so far out 476 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: over their skis on abortion, they are so far out 477 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: over their skis on vote suppression. They are so way 478 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: misaligned with the public will, on book bands, on all 479 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 3: of this like woke stuff that it turns out nobody 480 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: cares about except Ron DeSantis. They miscalculated, They miscalculated how 481 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: much I'm going to mix metaphors because I've just gone 482 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 3: from skis, but you know how much landing strip they 483 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 3: had to land the like Vashist plane. 484 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: They don't have a lot. People hate this. 485 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: The medication abortion decision, if it is allowed to stand, 486 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: will cause a revolution in this country, without a doubt, 487 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: because then it's no longer blue state's red states. It's 488 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 3: no longer I don't know any woman who's had an abortion. 489 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 3: It's that there is nowhere to go. And I think 490 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 3: that we should be equal parts terrified and inspired by 491 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 3: the fact that the GOP is well aware of this. 492 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: They know that they've run out of road and that 493 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 3: the lawlessness is everywhere. That's for a reason, right, the 494 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: lawlessness is everywhere. And we have, by the way, a 495 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: Supreme Court term that's going to end in the next 496 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: couple of months that is going to again shake the landscape, 497 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: including voting rates, including affirmative action, including you know, so 498 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: many huge cases. They're all going to go the wrong way. 499 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: And so I think that you are seeing this ram up, Danielle, 500 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: of lawlessness just in your face, power grabs that don't 501 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: even pretend to be democracy. That's what we saw in Tennessee. 502 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: That's what the medication abortion decision is. And so then 503 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 3: really the question is. 504 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: Who wins this race? Right? Who wins it? Is it this. 505 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: Angry, engaged, I think, affronted public that suddenly understands, oh, 506 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: I have to be on my school board. Oh I 507 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 3: have to see what's happening in local elections. I can't 508 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: sit around and watch polsters predict what's going to happen 509 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, because that's not the fight. The 510 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 3: fight is now today, yesterday, And in response to an 511 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 3: increasing sense of urgency, these terrifying crackdowns like shutting, like 512 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: taking away funding from an entire public library system. Right, 513 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 3: that's what it is. So I don't know what to 514 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: predict except to say that famous Ernest Hemingway quote, you know, 515 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: when they asked him, how does bankruptcy happen? And he 516 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 3: said slowly and then quickly, like this is how it's. 517 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: This has happened. We're at the quickly phase. 518 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 3: I don't know which way it's going to go, but 519 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 3: I know it's not gonna slow down. 520 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, which means that the rest of us need 521 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: to speed up. My friend, Dahlia Lipwick, I hope that 522 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: sometime we get to have a conversation, you know that 523 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: is on the good side of something. We did a 524 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: good mixed bag today because lifting up what is happening 525 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: in Tennessee, the young people, the groundshaking that is happening there, 526 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: I think is important and I think it's indicative of 527 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: where we're going to go. Folks, if you have not 528 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: gotten your hands on a copy of Lady Justice, Women, 529 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: The Law and the Battle to Save America, do if 530 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: you have not checked out all of Dahlia's writings at Slate, 531 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: you should, and also take a listen to Amicus her 532 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: own pod. 533 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 4: Thank you, friend, I appreciate you so very much. Breathe, 534 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 4: my friend, Breathe. 535 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: That is it for me today. 536 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: Dear friends on Woke af AS always, power to the 537 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and 538 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.