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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew.

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Speaker 2: Hey, John, what's going on? You're doing all right? Dude?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Drew came home from Massachusetts with a win for

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Speaker 3: the first time in the writers.

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Speaker 2: Jesus, that was cool. That was cool. That was awesome. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So it's you and it's me. It's you watching or listening,

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Speaker 4: and we're appreciative of you watching and or listening. So

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Speaker 2: Why haven't you already done that?

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Speaker 4: If you haven't done that already, I mean you would

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Speaker 4: free Yeah, you wouldn't just get reminders about this.

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Speaker 2: You get the iron sharpens iron.

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Speaker 4: You get the Nick Cassario conversations every single week that

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Speaker 4: he and I say he you and Mark Vannerer do,

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Speaker 4: which is awesome. You get the head coach talking with

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Speaker 4: you two every single week. You get uh, oh, I

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Speaker 4: don't know, a cinematic recap after a win.

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Speaker 2: You get the shuffle, you get the goat talk. I mean, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, you know what's going on with Go Talk.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to get too cross promotional here, but

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Speaker 4: we had Michael Irvan on last two weeks ago, we

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Speaker 4: had Chris Carter to start things off. The Big Aristotle

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Speaker 4: was in the building and we just shot something with him.

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Speaker 4: And yes, I'm talking about that Big Aristotle for those.

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Speaker 2: That don't know Shaquilla and New Shaquille O Neil.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he was in the cafeteria and it was just

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Speaker 3: it was we'll walk in like that's that's Shack Holy Cow.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was. It was pretty cool. Shack Mason

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Speaker 2: got a chance to meet him. He did, Yeah, he did,

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Speaker 2: and so did c. J. Stroud.

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Speaker 4: And you're gonna hear and see that in about a

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Speaker 4: month or so because next week we got Gary Kubiak's

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Speaker 4: Go Talk coming out, which was a really fun one

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Speaker 4: with and Andre Johnson and is a good power Jonathan

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Speaker 4: Joseph do these things.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, that's neither here nor there. This Texans team is

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Speaker 2: on a roll.

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Speaker 4: And I was thinking this morning, John, it remind so

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Speaker 4: much of twenty twelve, but better because this quarterback is better,

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Speaker 4: and back then you had a Pro Bowl quarterback and

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Speaker 4: Matt Shop that's a good thing. But this guy's even better.

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Speaker 4: And it made me think we are in the good times.

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Speaker 4: It's like, what, Yeah, I know the season's not over.

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Speaker 4: I know there's still a lot to get to, but

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Speaker 4: the good old days, you know, you think about the

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Speaker 4: good old days when we're in right now, John, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you got it. There's no other way to put it.

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Speaker 4: There's no other way to put it. You're coming off

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Speaker 4: a playoff win, your four games over five hundred. You're

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Speaker 4: going up to Green Bay to face a four and

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Speaker 4: two team. This is the game of the week pretty much,

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Speaker 4: two best records squaring off on Sunday. Most of the

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Speaker 4: country is going to get to see it. It's the

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Speaker 4: good old days right now. How sweet is that, dude?

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Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's sweet. There's no question about it,

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Speaker 3: I think, and we want more. Yeah, yeah, this is

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Speaker 3: the good old days. I think for some people that

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Speaker 3: remember twenty twelve, it's like when twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: Is brought up, I think people think about how it ends.

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Speaker 3: Did start at eleven and one, and then there's the

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Speaker 3: letterjacket game. There are losses down a stretch. Now all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, you got to play on walk card weekend.

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Speaker 3: When you thought man we're gonna get a buye and

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Speaker 3: back then you had two buys, so you were going

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Speaker 3: Now you ended up going to divisional round, but you

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Speaker 3: ended up losing to New England as opposed to having

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Speaker 3: for people that have been following this team ardently since

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Speaker 3: the beginning, or even since twenty twelve, whatever the case

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Speaker 3: Matt was at the end of his run. He was

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Speaker 3: And I know we're right in the midst of that

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Speaker 2: Weeks yeah, guys are getting banged up to like week eleven.

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Speaker 3: The injury report should be on two pages, as I

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Speaker 2: Stradat quarterback is a big, big difference. And let me

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Speaker 2: recaliber well go from there. You have a good point.

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Speaker 4: So when I say that, I'm thinking of, oh, twenty

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Speaker 4: eleven happened, and you did all those great things, but

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Speaker 4: you did it with a quarterback who was in TJ.

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Speaker 2: Yates. He was a fifth rounder. He was right. You

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Speaker 4: You had that ferocious defense, still the best defense the

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Speaker 4: Texans have ever had, and the expectations coming into twelve

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Speaker 4: were very very high, just like the expectations coming into

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Speaker 4: this season were very very high. And then the start

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Speaker 4: to that season in twenty twelve was astounding. Eleven and one.

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Speaker 4: You got to the sun set on Thanksgiving Day and

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Speaker 4: the Texans were ten and one. It was bananas and

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Speaker 4: Arian Foster crack in one thousand. Andre Johnson went for

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Speaker 4: fifteen hundred. The defense was good and JJ Watt was

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Speaker 4: that that got exposed in December.

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Speaker 2: But it feels like the early part of that.

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Speaker 4: Season when things were rock and rolling, and then when

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Speaker 4: Cushing got hurt. It all sort of changed things, but

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Speaker 4: Sexans still found ways to win. But this feels in

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Speaker 4: the good ways, like twenty twelve at the start, and

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Speaker 4: you're right, you need to recalibrate and you need to

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Speaker 4: reframe that because that's the way I'm thinking that people.

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Speaker 2: Are like, you're yeah, You're like, no, I understand they lost.

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Speaker 3: They still I know that because in twenty twelve, you

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Speaker 3: You had those back to back wins where Andre was

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Speaker 3: you go into that mini by or you come out

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Speaker 3: it's like this excitement and build up, like Okay, this

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Speaker 3: you know then what happens after that that they gloss

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: But you're right, and it's it's so interesting how the

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Speaker 3: probably for those fans and people that remember it a

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Speaker 3: little trepidation like, Okay, you know, can this team stay healthy?

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Speaker 3: What's the next step? And I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 3: And maybe at its top, maybe deeper in the elite

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Speaker 3: that also was the key here, you know, how guys

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Speaker 3: And those two linebackers have played i think every snap

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Speaker 3: to avoid those injuries. And you mentioned the big one

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Speaker 3: and I've always said this about Cush for whatever people

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Speaker 3: I felt like Cush gave this team its soul. I

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Speaker 3: felt like he was the soul of this team, that

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Speaker 3: he recognized when he needed to go into Cush mode

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Speaker 3: and kind of get everybody's attention, and that I think

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Speaker 3: But when he goes down in that Jets game, I

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Speaker 3: and I just remember thinking, damn, that's gonna hurt badly

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Speaker 4: It was really tough because you bring up that aspect

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Speaker 4: of him, you know, the heart and soul stuff. But

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Speaker 4: he was. He was the team MVP in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 4: I mean, and he was a phenomenal defender in twenty

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Speaker 4: after you traded the Miko Ryans that offseason before, right,

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Speaker 2: You had to pull.

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Speaker 4: Guys off the street and bear att rude, right, you

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Speaker 4: had to get Darryl Sharpton going, and it just caught up.

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Speaker 3: With you, you know exactly. And that's and I think

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Speaker 3: that's the you know, you want to draw parallels in

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Speaker 3: And yeah, he's a captain and I think he has

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Speaker 3: meant so much to this team. Now, obviously he plays

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Speaker 2: But that I think you can draw parallels there.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, man, I just keep my fingers crossed,

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Speaker 3: like god, dang, it's a knee, just like Cushions is

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Speaker 3: a knee, and like, okay.

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Speaker 2: There can't.

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Speaker 3: They're crazy similarities that hopefully aren't gonna end up being true.

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Speaker 3: But again, you go back to the fact that you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, he can't go out and cover a receiver.

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Speaker 2: He can't you know, set the edge in the run defense.

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Speaker 3: But when players at those spots end up making those

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Speaker 3: mistakes because invariably they're gonna happen. He can then erase

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Speaker 3: them by coming back and having a seventy five play drive,

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Speaker 2: Bomb like he did a Nico in the Bills game.

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Speaker 3: He can erase those mistakes just with his play, and

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Speaker 3: it is just that much more paramount to keep him

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Speaker 3: upright and healthy and keep him from taking shots. And

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Speaker 3: this is a defense this week against the Green Bay

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Speaker 3: their shots, and so that offensive line has really got

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Speaker 3: a hold up because he is. He is the key

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Speaker 3: difference in these two teams. That makes twenty three twenty

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Speaker 3: four different than eleven and twelve. And look, you know

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Speaker 3: oh my god, look at what this team's doing Colake

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Speaker 3: last year. And I think in twenty twelve, the thing

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Speaker 2: The cream of the crop, thank you, macho.

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Speaker 4: Man, cream of the Crop award winner. So if the

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Speaker 4: gonna go with Will Anderson Jr. That's not that's not

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Speaker 3: So in most things football, you know when you name

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Speaker 3: Shack Mason. Okay, and I picked Shack kind of as

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Speaker 2: It'll come out in time, you'll see that, but.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, both of us absolutely Cream of the Crop award winners.

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Speaker 2: It's exciting, man.

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Speaker 4: Whether it's twenty twelve or twenty four or twenty eleven

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Speaker 4: they're very very good. Good things are projected. These are

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Speaker 4: the good old days. Don't forget that. Enjoy it, savor it,

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Speaker 4: and we'll be back again next week in the Lap.

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