Speaker 1: Hello, snaffligans. You know, comedy is hard, Like people think
Speaker 1: it's just riffing and making jokes, but sometimes it's like
Speaker 1: pulling teeth. I mean, some of us have literally pulled
Speaker 1: our teeth trying to be funny. But there are comedy
Speaker 1: professionals out there who are just consistently crushing it, and
Speaker 1: I have been lucky enough to rope in a bunch
Speaker 1: of them on this season of Snaffoo, whether it was
Speaker 1: Nick Kroll waxing poetic about his family puking tuna sandwiches
Speaker 1: on a deep sea fishing trip, or Ginny Slat telling
Speaker 1: us about how susceptible she is to getting roped into cults,
Speaker 1: or Jordan Klepper reflecting on Donald Trump's deep and desperate
Speaker 1: need for a hug. This episode, I have gathered up
Speaker 1: the comedians of Snaffo and I'm thrilled to share it
Speaker 1: with you. Listen, laugh, and enjoy. Do you have any
Speaker 1: major snaffoos from your life that you would like to share?
Speaker 2: So I was away with my whole family.
Speaker 3: We were in I think Puerto Rico on a family
Speaker 3: vacation around I think, you know, like Christmas vacation, and
Speaker 3: so my dad thought that a cool thing to do
Speaker 3: would be to organize a deep sea fishing trip for
Speaker 3: my mom's birthday. Because my dad knows nothing about what
Speaker 3: is my mom would enjoy. So they packed us like
Speaker 3: the hotel packed us a bunch of like tuna sandwiches,
Speaker 3: because you know, Puerto Rico is famous for its tuna
Speaker 3: fish sandwiches. My family ranged from about eight to fifteen,
Speaker 3: four of us my parents and you're the youngest, right,
Speaker 3: I'm the youngest. Yeah, you're eight. I'm eight or nine
Speaker 3: years old. And we get on the boat. We're going
Speaker 3: out to the deep sea and the waves are horrible,
Speaker 3: like we later found out that a tanker had capsized
Speaker 3: that day in the Atlantic, so the waves were massive.
Speaker 3: We were just getting hummeled and we all were sitting
Speaker 3: there and the entire family puked our tuna fish sandwiches
Speaker 3: out all over all over the place, except for my dad,
Speaker 3: who just sat in the captain's chair gripping like the
Speaker 3: chair turning. I'd never seen, you know, when people say,
Speaker 3: like he turned green, like I've never seen it really
Speaker 3: since before since, but my dad turned fully like like
Speaker 3: a chartruse, and all of us just absolutely ramped all
Speaker 3: over this boat.
Speaker 2: And it was like happy birthday, Mom.
Speaker 1: This is this is perfect And the best part is,
Speaker 1: like a tuna fish sandwich. Sandwich smells horrendous to begin with, fresh,
Speaker 1: like a fresh sandwich right out of the Deli's like
Speaker 1: it's kind of a gross thing already, and then to
Speaker 1: eat it and then to regurgitate it is a is
Speaker 1: just an unthinkable stench. It's not ideal. No, are you
Speaker 1: ready to jump in, Nick Kroll?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm strapped into the captain's chair.
Speaker 3: The waves are big, I've finished my tuna sandwich and
Speaker 3: I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do it, Let's do it. I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope this story is good enough to get you
Speaker 1: to toss that sandwich. So there's another kind of trip
Speaker 1: that I feel like you're an expert in that I
Speaker 1: I just am not, And I want to know more
Speaker 1: about Will you sell me on microdosing hallucinogens.
Speaker 4: I just feel like it's you know what, the best
Speaker 4: way to describe it is, we just took some LSD
Speaker 4: me and my friends when we went to these ice
Speaker 4: caves in Pemberton, and I would say the best way
Speaker 4: to describe it is it puts an exclamation point on
Speaker 4: whatever experience you're having.
Speaker 1: So if you're.
Speaker 4: Outside, especially if you're in some sort of cool nature environment.
Speaker 4: We were in a glacier in a cave underneath a glacier,
Speaker 4: so that was pretty cool, and it just kind of
Speaker 4: makes you really sit and appreciate whatever experience you're having.
Speaker 1: It adds a little giggle too to the situation, which
Speaker 1: is always welcome for me.
Speaker 4: I like to laugh and like to not be, you know,
Speaker 4: taking myself too seriously. But it's just an accentuation of
Speaker 4: life and it kind of makes.
Speaker 1: You have a little bit extra gratitude, which.
Speaker 4: Is one of the aspects that I don't think people
Speaker 4: talk about enough. It makes you really grateful to be
Speaker 4: exposed to the things that we're exposed to. Even if
Speaker 4: I go skiing for an afternoon with my girlfriends up here,
Speaker 4: you know, and if I take a microdose, it's like
Speaker 4: I spend more time looking at the trees, looking at
Speaker 4: the view, looking at all the beauty that's surrounding me,
Speaker 4: rather than just you know, kind of being in your head.
Speaker 4: You kind of it gives you a release. I feel
Speaker 4: like the whole world needs a microdose.
Speaker 1: I am very interested in this. Now, would you also
Speaker 1: advocate the occasional macro dose.
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 4: It really depends on your personality and how much you
Speaker 4: can handle. But those years of me and the macro
Speaker 4: dosing that was like years and years ago. Now I
Speaker 4: like just a little punch, like like I like a
Speaker 4: little an MDMA they do. Everything's a microdose now, so
Speaker 4: you don't have to be scared to do it, you know.
Speaker 4: And also I would like to say, you know, not
Speaker 4: everybody gets along so well with drugs I do. We
Speaker 4: have a good working relationship, so I know what my
Speaker 4: limits are. I've done lots and lots of testing, so
Speaker 4: I know exactly what's going to work for me and
Speaker 4: what isn't. And in Canada they have the cleanest drugs,
Speaker 4: so that's so yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm a big advocate of that.
Speaker 4: I think it helps a lot of people and helps people,
Speaker 4: you know, in more serious ways than it's helping me.
Speaker 1: And I love sharing my drugs too. I love giving
Speaker 1: them away.
Speaker 4: My whole tour is basically about me traveling around the
Speaker 4: world handing out LSD to strangers.
Speaker 1: That's so great. You're just you're like them. You're the
Speaker 1: pied piper of my books.
Speaker 4: I like to think of myself as a Shirpa. I
Speaker 4: expect it, you know, coming from me, but that's where
Speaker 4: I'm at in my life.
Speaker 1: I honestly, you're so transparent in everything that you think,
Speaker 1: feel and believe, and I I think in many ways
Speaker 1: you are like an aspirational figure for a lot of
Speaker 1: people because of just how just how much you just
Speaker 1: how in touch you are with yourself, which I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people are. But then you are also
Speaker 1: just an open book and like you don't hold back
Speaker 1: when it's when you've got something like difficult to say,
Speaker 1: and you also don't hold back when you have like
Speaker 1: these sort of joyful, fun expressions and it's it's awesome.
Speaker 1: So keep doing what you're doing. Thank you, Ed, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Thank you. So the coach itself was a
Speaker 1: loaner from Axel von Farson the younger who happened to
Speaker 1: be uh. This is debated, but many think he was
Speaker 1: actually Marie Antoinette's dashing Swedish lover. What is documented is
Speaker 1: he sent her tons of flowers over the years. We
Speaker 1: have an artistic rendering of Axle here. Let's take a
Speaker 1: gander at this this guy. Oh wow, look at those peepers.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you mean what not sure? I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: What I think the person that painted his picture did
Speaker 5: a pretty weird job. It looks like he looks like
Speaker 5: you know when sometimes people wear those George Washington masks,
Speaker 5: like like they have George Washington, you have your own
Speaker 5: face on the bottom, and then you like put George
Speaker 5: Washington over your like you know where a raccoon mask
Speaker 5: would be.
Speaker 1: Those look like two different faces. Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker 1: But what I do love about this he's so smug,
Speaker 1: Like he's so he's like so smarmy and like you
Speaker 1: can get like the sex appeal of someone like that.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you could get lost in those eyebrows.
Speaker 5: That's a look of placid, perverted, deliberate entitlement.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, there's one last little epilogue here. This is kind
Speaker 1: of fun, a little post credit scene if you will,
Speaker 1: because I know you're curious about the last big old
Speaker 1: danglin thread here. What happened to our Swedish boy toy
Speaker 1: axel Von person for sure? Yeah, okay, well he himself
Speaker 1: was killed by an angry mob when he was mistakenly
Speaker 1: accused of poisoning the Swedish prince in eighteen ten. Wow,
Speaker 1: but yeah, angry mobs were a real big deal at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 5: They're really scary. I mean we had one recently in
Speaker 5: our nation. It's scary. Yeah, they're scary.
Speaker 1: They don't generally make good decisions.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: I read somewhere a quote I wish I could remember
Speaker 1: who to attributed to. Uh, the intelligence of a mob
Speaker 1: is that of the dumbest person in the mob. M
Speaker 1: so like the behavior, like an entire mob behaves as
Speaker 1: the dumbest person in the mob.
Speaker 2: Actually, I was just thinking about like it.
Speaker 5: For some reason Americans were able to be totally silent
Speaker 5: while someone rolled through town that they didn't like that,
Speaker 5: Like when I said, we'd never be able to do it.
Speaker 1: Like, I was fully imagining.
Speaker 5: Myself in the in the silent crowd, not being able
Speaker 5: to stop myself from.
Speaker 1: Being like who farted? Like just like that.
Speaker 5: It's so tempting to disturb, you know, the stillness. I
Speaker 5: think I would be the weakest there was, the dumbest
Speaker 5: person in the in the mob. I'm the person that
Speaker 5: changes us from a core cohort into like a freak out.
Speaker 1: Could you ever see yourself being swept up in a mob?
Speaker 1: I think it's emotionally yeah, because I feel it's one
Speaker 1: of those things that we all think like we're that
Speaker 1: were It's sort of like cults, right. Everyone says like
Speaker 1: I could never join a cult, like I would never
Speaker 1: fall for that in saying I'm too good you would.
Speaker 5: I don't think I would be in a mob because
Speaker 5: I don't consider myself to be like an impulsive person
Speaker 5: and I don't have like a sort of you know,
Speaker 5: like the switchblade of a temper that comes out.
Speaker 1: But I really love.
Speaker 5: Friendly groups.
Speaker 1: I love cooking.
Speaker 5: I love it when people are like trying to help
Speaker 5: each other actualize their dreams. And I like it when
Speaker 5: people like are dedicated to each other. And a lot
Speaker 5: of times cults are like non violent. I used to
Speaker 5: have a stand up bit about this actually about how
Speaker 5: like I would totally get drawn into the into a
Speaker 5: cult because like, I like all the things that they do,
Speaker 5: except I don't like having to be naked in a
Speaker 5: group of people, and I don't like having to do
Speaker 5: like oral sex to like a very very elderly person
Speaker 5: who has a long beard, which I feel like they
Speaker 5: make you do, like the head of the cult.
Speaker 1: That is that's in the cult cult by laws. There's
Speaker 1: usually some guy.
Speaker 5: Who's like, you know what, Actually, a lot of the
Speaker 5: more interesting members of the cult are doing ye.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh wait, why haven't you you've fallen into a cult?
Speaker 1: Then there are lots of them out there. There are
Speaker 1: lots of great options.
Speaker 5: Hey, I've got a strong family, really great friends that
Speaker 5: are like no, no, no, no, no, no no, don't
Speaker 5: don't go in there.
Speaker 1: Good answer. I also think that you are a inquisitive person,
Speaker 1: and you're someone who like you're you're not only very
Speaker 1: intelligent and sort of like educated, and you've taken it
Speaker 1: upon yourself to learn about the world and learn about people.
Speaker 1: And I think that is some of the best armor
Speaker 1: against these kinds of group think or indoctrination of some kind.
Speaker 1: The minute you start asking questions, even with genuine curiosity,
Speaker 1: not even like an accusatory like wait a minute, but
Speaker 1: you're just sort of like, now, hold on, why do
Speaker 1: you think I should I should blow that old man
Speaker 1: with a beard? Like what's the reason? Like why are
Speaker 1: we getting what we have to do?
Speaker 5: That though, like you know, like if we're all going
Speaker 5: to transcend and like you know, have clear minds, like
Speaker 5: why would we need to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what is a good place to
Speaker 1: start for me.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's like I will ask myself for sometimes other people,
Speaker 5: like if.
Speaker 1: This were a movie, who would you be?
Speaker 5: And like what part of the story, Like would it
Speaker 5: seemed like a good story, If this were a parable,
Speaker 5: if this were like a religious text or a fairy tale,
Speaker 5: who would you be?
Speaker 1: Who would they be? Yeah, who would they be? You know,
Speaker 1: it's a great question, who would they be? I think
Speaker 1: you're onto something really quite elegant, which is that stories,
Speaker 1: movies parables the sort of broad whatever gestalt of human storytelling.
Speaker 1: It is rooted in fundamental values, right, like a sense
Speaker 1: of right and wrong. My kid loves The Lion King,
Speaker 1: and so I've gotten very deep into the sort of
Speaker 1: like Lion King universe, and that is a movie where
Speaker 1: good and bad is so clearly delineated, and bad is
Speaker 1: portrayed with Nazi symbolism totally.
Speaker 5: I meant when he sings, be prepared, that is, those those.
Speaker 1: ENAs are literally goose stepping. In nineteen eighty six, Bosky
Speaker 1: was invited to provide a commencement speech at the University
Speaker 1: of California at Berkeley has School of Business. And this
Speaker 1: is where that speech that was the inspiration for Gordon
Speaker 1: Gecko's infamous framing was derived. But it's not exactly the
Speaker 1: same as Gordon get Goos. What he said is greed
Speaker 1: is all right. By the way, I want you to
Speaker 1: know that I think greed is healthy. You can be
Speaker 1: greedy and still feel good about yourself. This sounds like
Speaker 1: a cult leader. It's weird, you know what. It has
Speaker 1: echoes of this this uh, this, all this stuff emerging
Speaker 1: from both the Christian nationalist movement and Elon Musk where
Speaker 1: it's like empathy is bad, right, yeah, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: saying the same thing in the sort of inverse. Greed
Speaker 1: is because self interest is good.
Speaker 7: It's very and randy in that way, like it's just
Speaker 7: it's very un Discard the seven deadly sins and move on.
Speaker 1: Greed is okay, it's fine, right, fine, right right. Yeah.
Speaker 7: The Bible literally tells you that this is a deadly sin. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's one saying this. This is destructive to you personally
Speaker 7: and to all of people. But if you want to
Speaker 7: have an elevator in your house, you gotta have a
Speaker 7: little bit of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the I love the last sentence. You
Speaker 1: can be greedy and still feel good about yourself. That's awesome. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: so all of this is going on, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden record scratch, just months after riding high, it
Speaker 1: all unraveled. On November fourteenth, nineteen eighty six, Ivan Boski
Speaker 1: pleaded guilty to conspiring to file false trading records, which
Speaker 1: is a complicated way of saying insider trading. Okay, Basically,
Speaker 1: Time magazine put his grinning face on the cover and
Speaker 1: dubbed him Ivan the Terrible, which is a little derivative
Speaker 1: but still better than Ivan the Bum from the Father, Sure,
Speaker 1: and not as good as Ivan broke Ski. Right, that's right.
Speaker 1: One minute, this guy is Wall Street Royalty, the next
Speaker 1: he's a cautionary tale and the high roller era was over.
Speaker 1: He is headed to prison. Do you think that repeated
Speaker 1: success always turned people into egomaniacs or like just disasters?
Speaker 1: Is it possible to remain humble? I think it's.
Speaker 7: Possible to remain humble based on I think how much
Speaker 7: you've acquired as a person before you've reached that success.
Speaker 7: For instance, I think a lot of people in our
Speaker 7: industry who find fame or fortune later in their careers
Speaker 7: tend to be so much a little more chill and
Speaker 7: fully aware that life is fickled.
Speaker 1: And it can go away.
Speaker 7: And yesterday I was doing this job, and today I'm
Speaker 7: grateful I've got this one. But I think when you
Speaker 7: have it at a young age, and nothing against those
Speaker 7: people that get at a young age because they are
Speaker 7: missing that that sort of educational step. I think a
Speaker 7: lot of times they can come off as awful people,
Speaker 7: and maybe it's something happens and they turn a corner
Speaker 7: and they change. But you definitely see it in people
Speaker 7: who come from a certain background. I think it's just
Speaker 7: learning the value of things, for sure. But I think
Speaker 7: people can remain humble. I tell people all the time
Speaker 7: that like friends back home or people who ask me
Speaker 7: if I've worked with someone, they always want to know
Speaker 7: if someone's a jerk. I go, I gotta be honest,
Speaker 7: It's very seldom I run into someone who I really
Speaker 7: think is just kind of a piece of shit. I go,
Speaker 7: for the most part, everybody's just at their job, whether
Speaker 7: they're wildly famous or not, and they're just trying to
Speaker 7: do the job and then go home and hang out
Speaker 7: with their family. It's just kind of our universal situation.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what that means, Rory, what that means you?
Speaker 1: You're the piece of shit? Oh my god. Shit, if
Speaker 1: you can't actually see how much other people are a
Speaker 1: piece of shit, it means you're a giant piece of shit.
Speaker 1: Ah fuck. I just thought they were so fun. I
Speaker 1: looked up to all of them. Have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of Harding's Ohio Gang?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: All right? Should I have no?
Speaker 8: As a Michigan boy. As a Michigan boy, don't. We
Speaker 8: don't give much respect to anybody from Ohio. So perhaps
Speaker 8: it's not my own ignorance, it's just my own prejudice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Yeah. So this was the nickname
Speaker 1: for some of Harding's appointees, basically because he'd hired or
Speaker 1: appointed so many of his buddies from his days in Ohio,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them were ruffling feathers and drumming
Speaker 1: up scandals from all angles, from influence pedaling to selling
Speaker 1: illegal permits for confiscated government alcohol. These dudes were just
Speaker 1: awful basically, So it kind of makes sense that Albert
Speaker 1: Fall and his oily mustache twirling fit right in. And yes,
Speaker 1: if you recall the photo earlier, Fall had a big
Speaker 1: old snot mop o handlebar.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, even if we're besmirching the guy, I
Speaker 8: don't think we want that image in our head.
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny, but it's gross.
Speaker 8: It's funny, but yeah, it's one of those things. It's
Speaker 8: like moist. You're like, Okay, that might be the right word,
Speaker 8: but I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: So President Harding said at the time, I have no
Speaker 1: trouble with my enemies. I can take care of my enemies,
Speaker 1: all right. But my damn friends, my goddamn friends, they're
Speaker 1: the ones who keep me walking the floor nights. Now.
Speaker 1: That's very godfathery, that is. I thought you really leaned
Speaker 1: into it too in the performance that it was nice.
Speaker 8: Yeah, my friends just when I think out, they pulled
Speaker 8: me back in who the Ohio Game?
Speaker 1: I thought I made that clear. I do wonder though,
Speaker 1: like someone you know, you look at these presidents, whether
Speaker 1: it's a Trump or a Barack Obama or somebody, You're like,
Speaker 1: how many good, like close friends are they able to
Speaker 1: maintain at that At that point, I would think someone
Speaker 1: like Trump is like so hard to get close to
Speaker 1: and so hard to sort of like feel a sense
Speaker 1: of trust with, even if you're if you match his
Speaker 1: core values whatever they are, Like, it just seems I
Speaker 1: don't know, they're so their their life is so public
Speaker 1: and it's so committed to the public eye.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think, like, yeah, the usage of
Speaker 8: a friend as somebody who you could truly be honest
Speaker 8: with and empathize with and you could like be vulnerable with.
Speaker 8: I see people like Trump who sees almost everybody as
Speaker 8: like a means to an end. Everything has a loyalty test, right,
Speaker 8: and even things you know not to smirch any relationships,
Speaker 8: but those don't seem to be the most friendly and open.
Speaker 8: Those seem transactional as well. And you're like, oh, what
Speaker 8: happens to a human who doesn't have a like an
Speaker 8: emotional sounding board or compatriot that isn't tied up into
Speaker 8: your own personal success?
Speaker 1: Are you expressing it? Are you? Are you starting to
Speaker 1: express some some deep compassion for Donald Trump? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've stumbled on it. We've We've created a monster. I
Speaker 1: just want to give him a huge That's what probably
Speaker 1: all he needs. Jordan didn't give a hug. Yeah, group bug,
Speaker 1: come on, let's do it. Let's let's break through this.
Speaker 1: You could be a better person. Part of what makes
Speaker 1: you podcast so fun to listen to, and I think
Speaker 1: it also makes you such a great guest as on podcasts,
Speaker 1: is you have an encyclopedic memory for quotations and citations.
Speaker 1: And I wonder, and I have the memory of a goldfish,
Speaker 1: like I can't remember any I can't even remember the
Speaker 1: podcast I did last week, And so I wonder, is
Speaker 1: there a process to that? Do you take notes or
Speaker 1: is it sort of effortless? Like what is the you
Speaker 1: know what's funny about that?
Speaker 9: You and I have talked about that before, because I
Speaker 9: remember it being meaningful, a meaningful compliment to me the
Speaker 9: last time we spoke about it. It is from effort somewhat.
Speaker 9: I'm a big highlighter and I write things on my
Speaker 9: bathroom mirror. You get white chalk markers, and I write,
Speaker 9: what's funny is I have all these quotes on my mirror,
Speaker 9: things that I try to hold in my heart. But
Speaker 9: every once in a while I'll also write, like a joke, idea,
Speaker 9: oh cool, So right now my mirror says like what's
Speaker 9: wrong with right now? If you don't think about it?
Speaker 9: And then like right beneath it, it says plan B
Speaker 9: pill But for food. They have that it's called xlax.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so I'm now in picturing your
Speaker 1: your home is like is very much serial killer vibes
Speaker 1: with just like writing all over the mirrors. You just
Speaker 1: have to own it. You just have to own that. Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's awesome. I'm a crazy person that writes on
Speaker 1: my mirror. But it's not.
Speaker 9: It's me goodwill hunting Jesse Eisenberg in the social network,
Speaker 9: and the thing we all have in common is we
Speaker 9: remember a lot of quotes.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I really envy that. Here's a nice vintage
Speaker 1: photo of Teddy. This is not a childhood photo. I
Speaker 1: just want to be clear. There's gimlets just off camera.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're they're track pickled onion.
Speaker 9: Like I don't know this story, and I actually don't
Speaker 9: really follow the Kennedys, so I wasn't even making ted
Speaker 9: loves to drink.
Speaker 1: I think he's also just of a generation that that's
Speaker 1: sort of where I was going.
Speaker 9: Yeah, like pickled onions and little vodka cues are year
Speaker 9: by and cigarettes.
Speaker 1: This was the time. I have photos of my dad
Speaker 1: exactly like this. Yeah, of course, and he was trashed
Speaker 1: a lot which back then like you just were like, hello,
Speaker 1: good to see your irene, you know what I.
Speaker 9: Mean exactly like anybody at that level of drunkenness now
Speaker 9: you'd be like I shouldn't be here totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how they did it, because
Speaker 1: like the hangovers alone are just like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't even drink anymore just because I can't handle
Speaker 1: it because of It's just I have.
Speaker 9: An old joke where I was like in the Wild West,
Speaker 9: for example, you know how they're always drinking whiskey. I'm like,
Speaker 9: you're in the desert. This is why you're shooting each other.
Speaker 9: You're dehydrated, Like, get some water. That's how I feel
Speaker 9: about this time. These guys were eating red meat exclusively,
Speaker 9: maybe a wedge salad covered in blue cheese that was like,
Speaker 9: what are you.
Speaker 2: A health nut?
Speaker 9: Yeah, and like seven vodka gimlets and a cigarett before
Speaker 9: the meal.
Speaker 1: I just imagine how how distipated they were all the time.
Speaker 1: Just have a lot of fiber in these diets past
Speaker 1: the age of seven. None of them had a glorious
Speaker 1: bm no.
Speaker 10: So uh, we got to keep it home because honestly,
Speaker 10: it's the only time I've ever get any validation you.
Speaker 10: Just reading off those credits made me feel good. I'm like,
Speaker 10: oh wow, I mean I.
Speaker 1: Didn't even mention your book. You just had a You
Speaker 1: just wrote a book. I have a book.
Speaker 10: You know. Look, you and I are now authors. We
Speaker 10: are best selling authors. Very exciting.
Speaker 1: It is very exciting. I'm very proud of us. I
Speaker 1: was trying to think back to the origin of our friendship,
Speaker 1: and it just it falls into that huge basket of
Speaker 1: just wonderful people orbiting the UCB Theater in York City
Speaker 1: around what like nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 10: Right in that area, because you know, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 10: There are certain people that like Jason Manzucus. Obviously we
Speaker 10: co host this podcast together. I know Jason for many years.
Speaker 10: But Jason was not somebody that was invited to my wedding,
Speaker 10: which is a crazy thing because we weren't that close
Speaker 10: at that point in our He's definitely a friend.
Speaker 1: He didn't get that cut. He didn't make that cut.
Speaker 1: I was at your wedding, you were, and the all
Speaker 1: the time, I was like, where is Jason? Why this
Speaker 1: is horrible? Meanwhile, Jason gave a toast at my wedding.
Speaker 1: As a matter of.
Speaker 10: Fact, it's wild to me that I talked to him
Speaker 10: all the time and he was somebody that was not
Speaker 10: that was just not a close friend at that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're so right in that. I feel like
Speaker 1: there's so many people from that community that I they
Speaker 1: somehow like merged with our DNA at that time. It's
Speaker 1: like we we knew each other when we were just
Speaker 1: comedy Larva wriggling around.
Speaker 10: We were performing in an old strip club where sometimes
Speaker 10: you'd be doing a show and people would get up
Speaker 10: and leave, and you're like, did I do a bad job? Like, no,
Speaker 10: they just thought they were coming to a strip club,
Speaker 10: And we're very confused for the first forty five minutes
Speaker 10: of the show exactly, like this is great, but why
Speaker 10: are they going to take off their clothes? I remember
Speaker 10: there was a base that you would get to through
Speaker 10: a trap door basically, and you have the.
Speaker 1: Most rookie the wooden staircase all time to get down it.
Speaker 1: And you would go down there and it was like
Speaker 1: a grotto from from like sixteenth century Paris, wet brick
Speaker 1: walls and dirt floor. It was a it was a
Speaker 1: New York City catacomb. If you will That's what it was.
Speaker 10: Oh, I mean you would see the craziest stuff and
Speaker 10: it was only one way in and one way out. Wait,
Speaker 10: somebody was giving haircuts down there, well, haircuts down there
Speaker 10: and on stage. Yeah, one of the one of the
Speaker 10: resident teachers. Yeah, a legend, one of the originals.
Speaker 1: No audience, no audience, really crazy. That should have been
Speaker 1: its own show, the Haircuts. Weirdly, it would have found
Speaker 1: an audience too, I'm.
Speaker 10: Sure, actually more palatable than some of the shows that
Speaker 10: we did experiment with.
Speaker 1: Well as as one of the OG podcasters and one
Speaker 1: of the greats in the podcasting is thank you No
Speaker 1: truly like you've You've card out such an awesome niche.
Speaker 1: It's been so cool to see you do a lot
Speaker 1: of shows in the studio, you do a lot of
Speaker 1: shows live on tour. Do you have a preference? I
Speaker 1: think yeah.
Speaker 10: For me, I think there's something really fun about when
Speaker 10: it's just Jason, June and I chatting with each other.
Speaker 1: I think that that's always.
Speaker 10: Really a blast and we're not playing for laughs. But
Speaker 10: when we do it in front of an audience, it's
Speaker 10: like I like the showmanship of it. I like getting
Speaker 10: out in front of an audience. I like finding where
Speaker 10: the jokes are, finding what they find funny and kind
Speaker 10: of chasing that because sometimes also it can get almost
Speaker 10: So what I love about the studio is it's so
Speaker 10: casual that sometimes you are just having a conversation and
Speaker 10: maybe that's okay too, but like you forget, like, oh
Speaker 10: we gotta like hit some more jokes, or that one
Speaker 10: thing is funny, like and I didn't even think it
Speaker 10: was that funny.
Speaker 1: Well are you ready? I'm thrilled. I'm such a fan
Speaker 1: of Snephu railroad lines all tied it together. This was
Speaker 1: a blue collar boom town, and as a result, European
Speaker 1: immigrants were pouring in looking for work. The population exploded
Speaker 1: by roughly thirty thousand people in the mid eighteen hundreds. Now,
Speaker 1: on paper, Paul, explosive growth is great, right, But is
Speaker 1: it always good for a community? No?
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 10: Is it's just an efficient way to stress people out.
Speaker 10: I mean I know this from many years of playing
Speaker 10: the SIMS video game. You can't feel too quick things happen.
Speaker 1: You know you can't. You can't keep up supply and demand.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a lot of jobs, but then you know
Speaker 10: there are enough sewage plants exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, things happen as someone who's known you a
Speaker 1: long long time. So many of us have been trying
Speaker 1: to pull you out of SIM city time I did,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even on the sims. I'm not even
Speaker 1: doing the people. Oh god, I can't. I'm so worried
Speaker 1: about when SIM goes VR and you'll, like, just you'll
Speaker 1: be so immersed. I got to put this baseball stadium somewhere.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: You know, rapid growth can often lead to corner cutting,
Speaker 1: as we all, and boy will that come into play,
Speaker 1: so watch out. I'm not like a tidy, fastidious person,
Speaker 1: but I do. I am like I like, I'm crafty
Speaker 1: with like hobby stuff, and I am very meticulous about
Speaker 1: about sort of like things fitting and measuring properly. I'm
Speaker 1: also weirdly, and this is to my own detriment, I
Speaker 1: am weirdly obsessed with like clarity. When people are speaking
Speaker 1: or trying to make a point with me, I get
Speaker 1: very frustrated if they're unclear, or if they're like or
Speaker 1: if they just drops forget to sort of give me
Speaker 1: a piece of context. I'm like, oh am, I supposed
Speaker 1: to know what do you mean? What is the like
Speaker 1: and it's it's not rational or fair, but it's just
Speaker 1: how you are. But I think it is there is
Speaker 1: something about like like that, like precision in communication is
Speaker 1: like incredibly important to me. And I'm not even that
Speaker 1: good necessarily, I'm not, like, but I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It tries me nuts when somebody's unclear. Yeah, totally, that's neat.
Speaker 1: That's neat. What's different. Yeah, it is a weird thing.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's at least it's different from my life view.
Speaker 6: So that's why I asked where you said, like that
Speaker 6: museum sounded interesting, And I think for me, precision is
Speaker 6: the exact details of things being right never interested me.
Speaker 1: I love the in between. I love the gray area.
Speaker 6: I love the when things fall off the rails. If
Speaker 6: things are all going well and it all falls off,
Speaker 6: that's when I'm like, oh, excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 6: I've just as even as a kid, I've always liked that.
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, that's when things are fun for me.
Speaker 1: I feel that about you, Jake, and I will say
Speaker 1: it's an incredibly endearing aspect of you. I really I
Speaker 1: admire that.
Speaker 6: I feel the same with you about yours ed. I
Speaker 6: admire that about you, truly.
Speaker 1: It might speak a little bit to how we approach
Speaker 1: comedy and storytelling differently. And I find acting and improvising
Speaker 1: with you to be like so fun, Like you're one
Speaker 1: of the most present people to improvise with. I always
Speaker 1: I sort of can't believe the things you're clocking because
Speaker 1: it's so in the moment and in the space, and
Speaker 1: and it makes me You'll clock the most random, specific things,
Speaker 1: and it makes me laugh so hard, and I love
Speaker 1: It's truly a joy. I feel the same about.
Speaker 6: You, But I feel what's really night neat about this
Speaker 6: moment is what I like about you is I think
Speaker 6: we're playing very different games, and I like being in
Speaker 6: scenes with you because I'm like, like, for example, my
Speaker 6: podcast is very loose, we take calls, we have no
Speaker 6: idea what's happening.
Speaker 1: Everything is meant to be a mistake. I came on
Speaker 1: a podcast what was happening, no idea, and I'd same
Speaker 1: for me on this one. And what I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is so add to me.
Speaker 6: It's really interesting information where you've done a lot of work,
Speaker 6: You've prepared.
Speaker 1: It, you have not bullshitted through a story you have
Speaker 1: prepared and told all.
Speaker 6: These different beats, and you have moments where you're like,
Speaker 6: there could be an interjection here where I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is an ed formula and mine we're here to
Speaker 6: help with such a Jake formula where it's hey, you're here,
Speaker 6: we're recording. Yeah, have a caller come on?
Speaker 1: What are they said? I don't know.
Speaker 6: Hopefully something goes wrong and then we've got twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: I also love that, and this is I'm delighted to
Speaker 1: be sort of plugging your podcast in this moment too,
Speaker 1: because it is so funny and the premise I think
Speaker 1: you told me, like a few minutes into the podcast,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh yeah, and by the way, we have
Speaker 1: to agree with the caller, like like we have to
Speaker 1: take the caller's side in this way, try do no
Speaker 1: matter what, be on their team.
Speaker 6: So there are fins.
Speaker 1: What I love about that, and what is so Jake
Speaker 1: to me about that is how ludicrously arbitrary that is.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is just a this will make things interesting,
Speaker 1: this will mess things up. That's like this will just
Speaker 1: this will keep such of this will make this will
Speaker 1: make everyone have to like like condition their answer in
Speaker 1: such a ridiculous way that you can't you can't rely
Speaker 1: on your tricks and your tools and your whatever, your instincts.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, we're gonna take We're just gonna
Speaker 1: make desire. And it just makes me like that by
Speaker 1: itself makes me laugh well.
Speaker 6: Because if you were, if you are allowed to disagree,
Speaker 6: then a lot of us would come on and go, no,
Speaker 6: let me tell you how it should be. Sure, And
Speaker 6: I'm like, but if they're driving the train and all
Speaker 6: we're doing, if they're the star player on the team,
Speaker 6: and it's our job to make sure they win, then
Speaker 6: you go like, their logic's crazy, But I have to
Speaker 6: be with them.
Speaker 1: It's like being on the ship with Joseph. It's being
Speaker 1: Joseph down bays, you.
Speaker 6: Know, right hand man, and being like, okay, my man,
Speaker 6: I can't tell you no, I wish you had pants on,
Speaker 6: but you want to dress up like a Spaniard?
Speaker 1: My man, me too, me too.
Speaker 6: And then you're going do this, Hey, I am one,
Speaker 6: and they go this is bullshit, and you go, hey, Joe,
Speaker 6: that was not the best plan, right.
Speaker 1: That is so joyful, Oh, Jake Johnson, Another damn delightful
Speaker 1: hang out with you. Thanks so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: I feel the same about you, Ed, I love you, buddy.
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Speaker 1: executive producers are me Ed Helms, Mike Falbo, Glenn Basner,
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