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Speaker 1: The volume. Hi everybody, and welcome in to either a

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night or a Monday morning podcast. Dave Wantstat was

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Speaker 1: at Bears practice Wednesday, and I can't wait to talk

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Speaker 1: about it. I want to give you a story though, So,

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Speaker 1: as many of you know, last football season, I had

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Speaker 1: trusted me. I certainly learned a lot from him, and

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Speaker 1: as the football season approached the Super Bowl near the end,

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Speaker 1: he had asked me, I think I can share this now, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's my market? What should I be looking at here?

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Speaker 1: He was really interested in Fox. He liked Fox, he

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Speaker 1: He was all over town. He was really genuinely happy,

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Speaker 1: and he was really committed to it. He really cared

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Speaker 1: about it. He made calls. He was terrific and may

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Speaker 1: still be someday, but he was really committed and very focused.

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Speaker 1: And then one day he wasn't because the Denver Broncos

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Speaker 1: offered him four and a half to five times more

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Speaker 1: than Fox did. A man is as loyal as his options.

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Speaker 1: As comedian Chris Rock once said, for those belly aching

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Speaker 1: about USC UCLA, Washington, Oregon leaving the PAC twelve, this

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Speaker 1: is a conference that has continued to drop the ball,

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Speaker 1: hired the wrong people to run the conference, been slow

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Speaker 1: appears obvious, sometimes stubborn, nose in the air, a little

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Speaker 1: too precious for their own good. And so the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten is a bigger, broader conference, It's a better conference,

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Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle of the country with that

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Speaker 1: mid Western work ethos. Even though they produce significantly larger

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Speaker 1: revenue than the Pac twelve, they don't have their arrogance.

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Speaker 1: And maybe it's because the Stanford cal Ucla excellence academically, historically,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. But the Big Ten is big boy stadiums,

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Speaker 1: sold out stadiums, better TV contracts, more committed financially, more

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Speaker 1: committed fan bases, more committed boosters. That's where you have

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Speaker 1: to go. What in the world has cal ever done

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Speaker 1: is a better conference, a better opportunity, and sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: survival of the fittest and survival of the brightest and

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Speaker 1: survival of the future. We're seeing the globalization of economies

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Speaker 1: college football. This is like globalization. And when I hear

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Speaker 1: the belly aching, my takeaway is what are we losing here?

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Speaker 1: Some regional rivalries. Washington's already said they want to play

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Speaker 1: Washington State, all right, Okay, Oregon will probably continue to

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Speaker 1: And I can tell you firsthand that USC has been

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Speaker 1: looking and discussing moving away from the conference for the

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Speaker 1: last four years and then they finally did it. So

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Speaker 1: you know, when I hear anybody in any industry clamoring

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Speaker 1: offered something that's spectacular a role, a job, a salary,

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Speaker 1: drum when nobody's clamoring for your talent, or your team

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Speaker 1: or your business. Life is about opportunities. The four best

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Speaker 1: football programs in the PAC twelve arguably three for sure, Washington, Oregon,

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Speaker 1: greener in terms of revenue, in terms of stadium capacity,

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Speaker 1: the other sports? What about them? They lose money? College

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Speaker 1: football drives a bus, So you're going to take care

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Speaker 1: of football first. If you're in a family and you

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Speaker 1: paid all the bills, shouldn't you have the greatest say?

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Speaker 1: You know, when you look at the NCAA March Madness Tournament,

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Speaker 1: I paid for the wedding, don't I get a say

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Speaker 1: It's not even arguable. He's the former Dolphins head coach,

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Speaker 1: and coaches that I really like. It's Dave wanstat. So

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Speaker 1: last time we talked, you said Chicago's a seven eight

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Speaker 3: When you were reading that introduction sounds to me like

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Speaker 2: Job very long anywhere. No. The Bears, Yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: couple of things jumped at me, you know, because everybody's

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Speaker 3: any college team. I think they everyone's talking about, Well,

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Speaker 3: they got started and the defense, the offense isn't where

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Speaker 3: I've never been on a team at any level where

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Speaker 3: and they're tearing them apart and they're making plays from

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Speaker 2: That's it doesn't work that way in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: So I kind of like where the Bears are at

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Speaker 3: four to eight players. They can't carry the pads. That's

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Speaker 3: not the case with the Bears. This is a fast,

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Speaker 3: Impressed on their and not just their energy level, but

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Speaker 3: know what, Ryan Pooles, he has a plan and this

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Speaker 2: If you look at their free.

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Speaker 2: Has stayed with it. And you mentioned he.

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Speaker 3: Just you know, they just added Yanic probably the not

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Speaker 2: But he's twenty nine years old, right.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's kind of been a foundation platform for

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Speaker 3: the Bears. Every free ation, they didn't talk to anybody

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Speaker 2: So they're a young football team moving forward.

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Speaker 3: With a lot of team speed right now, and they

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Speaker 1: You know, it is interesting. The Chase Claypool acquisition got heat.

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Speaker 1: But because Mooney's a smaller athlete, Claypool is a beables

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Speaker 1: last year he kind of disappeared. Are they worried about

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Speaker 3: They they are, but they aren't. I'll tell you why

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Speaker 3: I call him. He's in his fourth year, he's in

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Speaker 3: a contract year. And you know that's that motivates players. Pressure,

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Speaker 3: peer pressure or money, that's what motivates these professional players.

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Speaker 2: Let's get you know that that's real.

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Speaker 3: And so they got Claypool right where they're going to

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Speaker 3: we're gonna find out what that is. You mentioned Mooney.

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Speaker 3: That was another bright spot. They were talking about Mooney

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Speaker 2: So he's back. And the DJ Moore and and Comet.

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Speaker 3: They we know Cole Comet, but you know who might

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Speaker 3: be the sleeper of their free agent signings, Robert Tunyan

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Speaker 2: This guy is a player.

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Speaker 3: They flex him, they flex him out, and from an

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Speaker 2: He's gonna win that battle. Yeah, that was a good

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Speaker 1: He's also good in the red zone. Smart player. He's

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Speaker 1: I think they're offensive. I think Justin Fields has to

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Speaker 1: what to make of them. But I did think of this.

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, generally speaking, even in blowouts, Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 1: can't plan him until October twentieth. How would you manage

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Speaker 1: the Tua concussion situation?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you know you're you're right, and it's

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Speaker 2: And then he put on weight.

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Speaker 2: That should give him strength.

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Speaker 3: But I'll tell you the number one thing that I

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Speaker 3: Well, with that being said, that was what disappointed me

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Speaker 1: Listen, even the great coaches in this sport get out coached.

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Speaker 3: We had, We had a lot of them. That first year.

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Speaker 2: So might I don't know it that whole thing. Hopefully

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Speaker 3: on offense, a new staff on defense, and Jay Fiedler

435
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: is our new starting quarterback, and we are going to

436
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: open up with Mike holgerm and the Seattle seahawksay in

437
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: Miami and Mike home Grim, you know, and everybody's pulling out.

438
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: You know, when Mike was at Green Bay and I

439
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 3: was at Chicago and they had won Super Bowls. So

440
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 3: this is all the buzzs Oh, this is We're zero

441
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: and one and we're on our way. So I'm watching

442
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 3: this Green Bay tape and we're all studying.

443
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: And we're on it. Okay, end of the day. This

444
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Speaker 2: is a great finish.

445
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 3: We intercept their quarterback about five times, we beat them

446
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 3: twenty three nothing, we shut them off.

447
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: I'm walking over to.

448
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: Shake and Mike and I are buddies, and Mike shakes

449
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: hands and says, you know what, those plays didn't look

450
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: the same with our Bret Fahre there, did they. So

451
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: I mean he Mike's the best, you know, I mean

452
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: he all Famer, but uh no, I uh yeah, we've

453
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: had someone.

454
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Speaker 2: And then then.

455
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Speaker 3: Two or three years later, we got upset by a

456
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: new franchise team, Houston, when we missed two or three

457
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 3: field goals, but we still didn't play good and we

458
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: were big time favorites.

459
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: So I'd rather be the underdog. I really would. And uh,

460
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I I like you know who I like?

461
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 3: I kind of like uh, I like Houston going to

462
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: Atlanta and going want to know, I just think.

463
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Speaker 2: That I don't know.

464
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: I just got a good, good feel about that one.

465
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Speaker 1: So Zach Thomas, it was a Hall of Fame weekend

466
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Speaker 1: and you were around for Zach Thomas. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

467
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: you were around. So he was a fifth round pick.

468
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: I think something like that. Kind of a short guy

469
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: is one of the few great linebackers on six feet tall, Dave?

470
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: How many practices did you know? How long did it

471
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Speaker 1: take for you a guy that had Hall of famers?

472
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Speaker 1: I mean you, you and Jimmy are known as excellent

473
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Speaker 1: personnel guys. You found Aaron Donald, Shady McCoy, I mean,

474
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: all these pit panthers that ended up being great pros,

475
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: that were three star guys. How long was it with

476
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Speaker 1: Zach Thomas before you identified this is different?

477
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: Well?

478
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: You know everything that and I think it was talked

479
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: about this week. Jimmy and may have mentioned that, you know,

480
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 3: when they drafted him, and the reason that they drafted

481
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: him was because they knew that he would make a

482
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Speaker 3: lot of plays.

483
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Speaker 2: You know. It wasn't his high height, it wasn't his speed,

484
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: and so it didn't take long. I mean, you know,

485
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: all you had to do was put the film on

486
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: and the guy, I.

487
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Speaker 3: Don't know how he did it. He was a three

488
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: don linebacker. I mean he would cover you know, slot

489
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: guys on the slot and running backs and tight ends.

490
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 3: But he was such a student of the game. There

491
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: were several nights, several nights that the coaches would be

492
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: up there and meet and it'd be ninth thirty ten

493
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: o'clocked up players under the building. It would be dark,

494
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden there'd be a knock at

495
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Speaker 3: the coach door and it'd be Zach.

496
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: He'd say, coach, you got him inute, I'd say.

497
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: He says, you know, boy, I'm watching that tape of

498
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: the Jets, and when they get in that formation that's

499
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 3: going to that could really box us something about our

500
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: scheme on defense. And we would talk about it. I mean,

501
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: so the guy was probably the best student of the game.

502
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 3: And when you watch them play, his big thing was

503
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: everybody talked about how quick he got on the move

504
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: and whether it was run or past the guy. We

505
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: all say, hey, linebackers make mistakes. The great ones don't

506
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: make two. Zach very seldom made one mistake. He had

507
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: that offensive line and formations and motions.

508
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: He had it all memorized. He was a true quarterback

509
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: on the field.

510
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jimmy's talked about he had one of the highest

511
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: IQs of any player he's ever had. You know, it's

512
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: interesting when you take a look at all the great

513
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: players you've had, it is remarkable how many were overlooked.

514
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: How many were three star players. You had to see

515
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: something with Aaron Donald, a Zach Thomas, you have to

516
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: see something.

517
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: You know who?

518
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: I did?

519
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: You know who? I didn't have to see much. And

520
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: I had Darrel reebas At Pitt and.

521
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: Well he was a big recruit.

522
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he scored four different ways in his high

523
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: school championship game at Aliquippa. And think of he intercepted

524
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: a pass, he caught a pass, he ran a pump back,

525
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: he ran scored four different ways in the championship game.

526
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Speaker 2: I mean, so he's the other extreme.

527
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Speaker 1: Right when you recruited him a new instantly he was

528
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: just fantastic.

529
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Speaker 3: Well, I actually didn't recruit him, but I coached him

530
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Speaker 3: until he graduated until he went to approach.

531
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

532
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: You know a lot about the Pittsburgh Steelers you coached

533
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: collegiately there, you know, Mike Tomlin, Well, they are old school.

534
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: They pay a lot of money for their defense, not

535
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: nearly as much on offense. And you told me one

536
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: time that they've always been a bit reluctant to draft

537
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: pit kids because if they had to cut them, you know,

538
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: they just didn't want that stigma in the city. Well,

539
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: they draft Kenny Pickett. I thought by the end of

540
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: the year, I thought he's a little bit of a gamer.

541
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Speaker 2: You know.

542
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: It's like he's athletic, not a hyper athletic, but athletic

543
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: enough to get out of trouble. I think he's got good,

544
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: solid arm strength, not big Ben, but he can he

545
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: can sling it. What do they think in the building,

546
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: because I don't think he's a game manager, right, I

547
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: do think he's a little bit of a cowboy. He's

548
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: willing to sling it. You can tell he's comfortable off script.

549
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: What do you think they what Mike Tomlin and that

550
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: coaching staff thinks of Kenny Pickett heading into year two.

551
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you in fact, I talked to

552
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: a guy this morning. They opened up the stadium. This

553
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: is up at Saint Vincience into Latrobe where they go

554
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: for training. Him had four over fourteen thousand people last

555
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 3: night for a practice and they had to shut it down.

556
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: Fourteen thousand in that stadium. Okay, So there is an

557
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: excitement for this team that's that they haven't had in years,

558
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: in my opinion, And I think it all starts with

559
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett. We got to go back to last year.

560
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: You and I talked about this a year ago. He

561
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: was thirteen. I mean, it was Mitch Trubisky with the starters.

562
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 3: Rudolph was number two, and then Pickett was number three.

563
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: So he really would and you know how many reps

564
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: you did?

565
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: Not many.

566
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Speaker 3: And he's had the whole off season and him and

567
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: Pickens was there, the young receiver from Tennessee and Friarmuth

568
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: was there, the young tight end from Penn State. So

569
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: he's kind of got his guys around him now. And

570
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I expect the guy. He's just

571
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: such a winner and such a competitor that the guy,

572
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: maybe his arm strength isn't Ben Roethlisberger, but I think

573
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: the guy is probably more athletic, you know, and he's

574
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: played in more big games at this point than Ben did.

575
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: You know coming out of college, Ben, you know, did

576
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: not play at the level that Kenny Pickett did for

577
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: four years, you know, against Division one scos and beat

578
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: some really good opponents. So I think all that stuff

579
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: is part of him. And he's very confident. And I'll

580
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: tell you that's a lot of excitement. Like I said,

581
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: I talked to a guy this morning and they're they're

582
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: expecting championship. This is not Pickett's good enough to get

583
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: to the playoffs as role as we play good defensive

584
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: running the ball. No, they see Kenny Pickett as a

585
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: super Bowl type quarterback for the Wow.

586
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know when I watched him late in

587
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: the game, I always think one of the things I

588
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: always watch is I think the different with quarterbacks in

589
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: this league is can you play trailing? Can you play

590
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,239
Speaker 1: from behind because the other team knows you're throwing. And

591
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, I always said this about Baker Mayfield. Baker

592
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: was a different quarterback leading and trailing. When he was trailing,

593
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: you could see all his limitations. He rushed uff, he

594
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: couldn't handle the pressure. He's smaller, I watched Kenny Pickett

595
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: in the end of this year trailing a couple times.

596
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: I thought he looked really good. I thought he looked

597
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: completely poised. You know, let's be honest. Playing for the Steelers,

598
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: I would be nervous. That's not the Jaguars. You know

599
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: that that's a big responsibility in that town. And I

600
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: thought the last couple of games of the year, there

601
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: were a couple of moments I thought, he's not intimidated

602
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: by this at all. He looks the part. And I think, Dave,

603
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: I think all those college starts, you know, brought purty.

604
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: He started for four years that Iowa State. That's a

605
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: lot of big games, you know. Parcels used to say,

606
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 1: if he didn't have, wasn't it like twenty five starts,

607
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: he wouldn't take you right.

608
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's no question. And Pickett.

609
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: I remember I was doing the colleague stuff for Fox

610
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: and they had the last game of the season against Miami.

611
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: I was up at.

612
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: Michigan and ivor at Michigan versus Hot of State, and

613
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: I was following the pit game on my phone and

614
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: they said Kenny Pickett, a freshman's coming in and playing

615
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: and he played good. So I mean, I bring that

616
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: up just to make the point that this guy's got

617
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: a lot of extent. He got the extra year because

618
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: of COVID and he took it. He had his degree.

619
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: He could have gone to the NFL, and he chose

620
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: to stay one more year a pit just to try

621
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Speaker 3: to better himself, and it worked in his favor.

622
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Speaker 1: Finally, I'm loyal to my family, my friends, and my wife,

623
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: but I don't believe in sports loyalty. And the Big

624
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: Ten is a revenue monster. Bigger stadiums, always full, great coaching,

625
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: great publicity. I understand Washington, Oregon, USC, UCLA. Listen. I

626
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: told a friend this weekend. He's a PAC twelve. Guy said,

627
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: all you need to do is watch USC play Wisconsin

628
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: and Camp Randall and watch Michigan go to Motlake and

629
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: play the Huskies on a Saturday. You won't care about loyalty.

630
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: You know, like, this looks like a big conference. I

631
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: love it. Now you're in Big ten country out west.

632
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: People are freaking out in the Midwest. What are they

633
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: saying about including four Western teams to their conference.

634
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of who's going to have to play,

635
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: you know, at eleven and twelve o'clock at night and travel.

636
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: But you know what, I think there's more conversation about

637
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: the other sports other than football.

638
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: And I'm doing Big Ten shows, as you know what

639
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 2: you mentioned. I do one a week. So I talked

640
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: to those people and Tony Pettiti.

641
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: You know Kevin Warren who was the commissioner left and

642
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: is now the president of the Bears. Everybody knows that. Well,

643
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: they just hired Tony Pettiti. Tony PETTITTI was the guy

644
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: that was the MLB network when they started. He was

645
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: the guy that was involved when March Madness started with

646
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: CBS or whoever it was NBC. So he's got a

647
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: great background. The thing that surprises me, called, I don't

648
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: know about you, how fast this happened.

649
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: I know, you know what I mean.

650
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: No one can usually make a decision about anything, and

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Speaker 3: for five years and this went boom. And then when

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Speaker 3: you look at it and talking to people the Big Ten,

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Speaker 3: they're interested in yes, in football, let's be in basketball.

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Speaker 3: But the total program, what did they bring? And I

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Speaker 3: was looking it up yesterday. You know, when you look

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Speaker 3: at the top academic schools, obviously in the Pac twelve,

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Speaker 3: you know you got Stanford in cal I mean, they're

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Speaker 3: off the charts. They're like Ivy League schools. But then

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Speaker 3: you got UCLA USC and Washington. I mean, Washington is

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Speaker 3: a great academic school.

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Speaker 2: You know. And Oregon.

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Speaker 3: There's ten teams that won seventy percent of their basketball

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Speaker 3: and football games combined, okay over the last I think

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Speaker 3: with five or ten years.

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Speaker 2: Oregon is one of those teams.

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Speaker 3: And then you get Oregon to come in, and you're

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Speaker 3: bringing Phil Knight in and you're bringing the Nike.

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Speaker 2: Brand to the Big Ten. That is huge.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know how it's all gonna

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Speaker 3: shake out, you know, how they're gonna divide this thing up, but.

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Speaker 2: It will make it exciting. I'll tell you what they

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Speaker 2: have to do, though, call it.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody better start playing the same amount of

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Speaker 3: Division one games, you know, and this is this is

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Speaker 3: going You cannot have one conference playing nine and one

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Speaker 3: playing eight and the other ones plays ten.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's just not right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, unfortunately, for the smaller schools, this thing is

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Speaker 3: going to one or two major conferences.

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Speaker 2: Just like the NFL is.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna they should divide that. They want to make

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Speaker 3: it easy. Just divide your country just go west right,

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Speaker 3: just like the NFL. You know, you know, take it west,

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Speaker 3: take it central, take it, take you eat. How are

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Speaker 3: you want to cut it up into fours? And I

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Speaker 3: think that's what we're going to down the road, I

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Speaker 3: really really do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be more like college basketball,

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Speaker 1: where a twelve team playoff eventually becomes a sixteen team

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Speaker 1: playoff in the next five years. There's going to be

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Speaker 1: so much money in it, and all those Oregon states

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Speaker 1: or the NC states that feel left behind, they'll be

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Speaker 1: able to get into the tournament in those final four

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Speaker 1: slots in the end, Dave. The way I sort of

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Speaker 1: look at all this stuff is the SEC is going

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Speaker 1: to add Clemson and Florida State in ten minutes if

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Speaker 1: you can sit on your hands if you're the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: But Washington and USC and Oregon are elite Top fifteen

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Speaker 1: programs and SEC's not slowing down.

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Speaker 3: So I ULA's won more championships in the entire Big

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Speaker 3: Ten Conference together total sport. No, if you look at

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Speaker 3: all the Olympic sports and everything with ULA they have

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Speaker 3: I was I read.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm wrong that they have.

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Speaker 3: More championships in all sports than the whole conference.

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Speaker 2: So I mean that.

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Speaker 3: And they're great academic school. So that's a real plus

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Speaker 3: for the Big Ten Conference, no question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I can't wait for some of the games.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be fantastic. And frankly, the

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Speaker 1: SEC by adding Texas Oklahoma increases their Texas recruiting. This

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Speaker 1: is going to increase Big Ten recruiting out West Purdue Iowa,

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Speaker 1: they don't bring out, they don't get Western kids. Now

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Speaker 1: you're going to take trips out there. You're going to

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Speaker 1: take that coaching staff out there on a Wednesday Thursday,

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Speaker 1: visit a high school practice or two. Watch all these

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Speaker 1: schools in the Big Ten start adding California, Oregon, Washington,

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Speaker 1: and Nevada kids.

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Speaker 3: You know what, that's a great point because I talked

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Speaker 3: to the coaches at Indiana a lot and and Purdue,

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Speaker 3: and you know it's tough for them, excuse me to

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Speaker 3: go east into Ohio and try to get players, you know,

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Speaker 3: with Ohio State and Penn State there. So this will

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Speaker 3: truly give them a chance to work the other direction

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Speaker 3: and get some talent because some of these states just

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Speaker 3: don't have enough players in it.

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Speaker 2: You know. And so there's no question that.

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Speaker 3: And as I said in the very beginning, the only

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Speaker 3: vibe that I get here in the Midwest in Chicago

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Speaker 3: is is the other sports.

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Speaker 2: But there's the trade off.

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Speaker 3: So if you're a coach at a minor sport, but

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, your budget's gonna get increased, you know, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we got to travel.

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Speaker 2: It's part of the deal.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna get nicer uniforms, and you're gonna get more food,

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Speaker 3: and you're gonna get better facility.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's the trade off at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day.

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Speaker 1: Dave Wantstat Big ten Network, former Bear Dolphin coach, Natty

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Speaker 1: All a defensive coordinator, Super Bowl coach at Pitt Great

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Speaker 1: talking to you.

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Speaker 2: OLA's coach. Okay, Calin talk to everybody. Be safe bybe

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Speaker 1: The volume