1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: First date follow Up powered by the Advocates Injury Attorneys 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: online at advocusla dot com. 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 2: Jimma is on the phone today for a first date 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: follow up and she's getting ghosted by a guy named Antonio. Man, 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: I know that sucks. Antonio is one of those names. 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: Hello, sweetheart, you are so very lovely and I love. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 4: You so much? 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 3: Was it Antonio Benders di Gema? Buy any chance? 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: No before we find out about this Antonio and your 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: date with him. How long has it been since you 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: heard from Antonio? 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 5: It's been almost two weeks. 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: So have you tried to reach out to him in 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: that two weeks? 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 4: I didn't, you know, when we were on our date. 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 4: At the end of the date, I told him to call. 17 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 5: Me and he just never did. 18 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 4: And you know, I like some of his social media posts, 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 4: but I haven't texted him or you know, called him 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 4: or anything. 21 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna call me. 22 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: Right, So it's like the old nuts. I just left 23 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: your photo, bro, It's like a very passive address on LA. 24 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm just trying to get his attention. 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: Well, tell us about the date. What'd you guys do 26 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: and why do you think you're getting ghosted? 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 4: We went out for a top golf and cocktails, and 28 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 4: you know, we kind. 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 5: Of sucked at the top golf. We weren't that great 30 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 5: at it. 31 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we had a couple of cocktails. We were 32 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: both very flirtatious with each other, and we laughed a lot, 33 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 4: and he was complimenting me a lot, and he made 34 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: me feel really beautiful and attractive, and yeah, I was 35 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,839 Speaker 4: really into him, really attracted to him too. It seemed 36 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 4: like we were both really into each other. We made 37 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 4: out for a while in the parking lot. 38 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: It was really nice. 39 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, we both said that we we just like 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 4: couldn't wait to do it again and to see each 41 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 4: other again soon. 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 3: What is it with Antonio? You know, it's like such 43 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 3: a romantic name too, you know, buy me amotion? Hello 44 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: life Forever. So hey, Gemma, the date was great. So 45 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: what do you think went wrong? Was there anything that 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: happened during the date that may have been a flag 47 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: to him? 48 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 4: I can't really think of anything that really went wrong 49 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 4: during the date. I don't know. The only thing that 50 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 4: I could really think of is that maybe I actually played. 51 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 5: It too cool, that maybe. 52 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 4: It wasn't clear to him that I was as into him. 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 5: As I actually was, and you. 54 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 4: Know, maybe I didn't were enough with him. Yeah, that's 55 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 4: really the only thing I could think of. 56 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's happened to me before, where somebody's played it 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: too cool because and I'm just like, wow, I don't know, 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: like I'm not going to chase like that. 59 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 3: So do you know they're playing it too cool or 60 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 3: do you think they're just not into you? Say you're 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 3: not going to change. 62 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: I figured that they were just not into me, so 63 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, cool, I'll just move it along. Unlike 64 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: some people, some guys that I've seen, I won't send 65 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: fifteen messages in a row with no response, you know. 66 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: I do three and then I'm like, okay, cool, I'm 67 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: not going to do it again, you. 68 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: Know, right right? 69 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, so maybe you played it too cool and 70 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: you just didn't think you were interested. But you did 71 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: say you can't wait to see him again and make 72 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: out with him at the end of me he did. 73 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I did. 74 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: Have you thought about just reaching out to him? 75 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: I have, But I have a thing where I do 76 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 4: prefer for the guy to reach out first. 77 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: I get that. 78 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 5: It's like a thing for me, you know, like I 79 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 5: like to be pursued. 80 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: All right, that's kind of the clue that they're into you, 81 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: because like, if you're getting ghosted. Mm okay, well we'll 82 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: see if we can help you out. We'll play a 83 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: song come Back and then call him and see if 84 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: we can figure out why you're getting ghosted and maybe 85 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: get you another date. 86 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, thanks, all right, we'll play song come Back 87 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: to your first Night follow up next, so you will show. 88 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: First Date follow up powered by the Advocates Injury Attorneys 89 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: online at advocateslud dot com if. 90 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: You're just joining us for today's first Date follow up. 91 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: Gemma is on the phone and she's getting ghosted by 92 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: a guy named Antonio. 93 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 3: Hello, sweetheart, and. 94 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: We're about to call him and find out why she's 95 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: getting ghosted and see if we can maybe get her 96 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: another date. First, before we call him, Gemma, please refresh 97 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: everybody's memory on your date with Antonio. 98 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 5: You are so very lovely. Yeah. 99 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 4: So, Antonio and I went out for top golf and 100 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 4: cocktails and. 101 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 5: It went really well. 102 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 4: I mean the top golf when we suck at that, 103 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: But besides that, the date went really well. 104 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,679 Speaker 5: There was so much chemistry and we made. 105 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 4: Out at the end of the day in the parking lot, 106 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 4: and we both said. 107 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 5: That we couldn't wait to see each other again soon. 108 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 5: And it's been almost. 109 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 4: Two weeks and I haven't heard from him since, even 110 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 4: though I did tell him to call me, he hasn't. 111 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 4: So yeah, I've been wondering what's been going on with that. 112 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll call him right now and see if we 113 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: can figure it out. And once you hear the reason 114 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: that you're getting ghots and see if you want another date. 115 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: Are you ready? 116 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah? 117 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I know, I am. I get to knock 118 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: do Antonio? I can't wait? All right, here, we going 119 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 3: to down the phone number. 120 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: Hello him, I speaking to Antonio. Antonio. My name is Jubil. 121 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: I ho, it's the radio show, and it's called the 122 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: Jubil Show. 123 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 3: Hi, Antonio, I'm Naw's on this Jubile Show. Hi, and 124 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 3: I'm Victoria. Have you ever heard of the Jubil Show 125 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: before or heard the show at all? Vaguely? All right? Cool? 126 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 2: Well, somebody who does listen to our show emailed us 127 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: about you, and that's why we're calling you. Oh interesting, 128 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: super interesting. Do you want to know why? Of course 129 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: they emailed because we do a segment called the first 130 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 2: Date follow Up. That's where if you go out on 131 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 2: a date with someone and then you ghost them, that 132 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: person can email us to get you on the phone 133 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: and find out why you're ghosting them. So we got 134 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: an email about you from a woman named Jemma that 135 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: you went to Top Golf with. 136 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 5: I know Jemma. I didn't ghost there. 137 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: He texted her back since the date. No, So so 138 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 3: what are you doing? 139 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 6: Bro? Is there is there a time limit to ghosting? 140 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: Well, when we talked to Jemma, she said you your 141 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: date was like two weeks ago, and you haven't reached 142 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: out to her, So that seems kind of long. 143 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 6: I've actually been very busy, even like I'm usually not 144 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 6: even that busy, but recently I've been very busy. 145 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 3: So have you thought about your makeout with Jemma since 146 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: that night? 147 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 5: Yeah? 148 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 3: Okay, it sounds like there's a reason and you don't 149 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: want to tell us. Antonio. Every single answer sounds like 150 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: you just don't want to tell us. 151 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 6: There's nothing to not tell. I mean, I'm if she 152 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 6: was very interested in hearing from me, she could have 153 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 6: reached out. 154 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: So do you feel like Jemma's not into you? I 155 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: think I think she was did you plan to reach 156 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: out at all? 157 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 6: I mean, when I was going to be less busy. 158 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: Yes, it sounds like you're making it up. He's busy 159 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: right now. 160 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 5: I'm busy. 161 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: Right now. 162 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 6: I can't even text her because I'm on a radio 163 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 6: call with three fun people. 164 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: We asked her if she had reached out to you. 165 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: She said no. She said she liked a couple of 166 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: your social media posts to kind of like wave her 167 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: hand at you. 168 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: But she also said, though, to call me, and you're 169 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 3: like totally. 170 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 6: I think she said, call me if you want to 171 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 6: hang out again. And it's not that I wasn't going to. 172 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 6: I was just very busy. I want to hang out. 173 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 6: But okay, fine, I do like her, but I just 174 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 6: don't want to be mean about something. 175 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: I knew there was something else, but like, what is it? 176 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: Everybody who agrees to do this knows that they might 177 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: hear something they're not gonna like. 178 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 6: Okay, I'm not like a superficial person, but she has this. 179 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 3: Really long nose here, and I like, I just said, 180 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: I'm cracking up. 181 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, it's it's kind of distracting when I'm or 182 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 6: you know, when I was with her, and I don't 183 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 6: want to have to tell her to trim it. 184 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: But it's so distracting, so awkward. 185 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: But you'd like to see her, you'd like to see 186 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: her again. You also don't want to tell her that 187 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: she's a triman nose here? 188 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, how do you say that? It's just one 189 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: long nose here? 190 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 6: I don't know how you like, Like, I don't know 191 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 6: how you even broached the subject. 192 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: Well, what if she plucked the nose here? You'd go 193 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: out with her again? Yeah? 194 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd love to, but I don't know how. Again, 195 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 6: I just don't know how. It's so distracting. 196 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough to have that conversation. 197 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: But you did actually kind of tell her because she's 198 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: on the phone listening and wanted to talk to you. 199 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 4: Oh no, yeah, I heard all of that. 200 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 5: You know. 201 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 6: Your feelings. 202 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 4: Honestly, it's pretty embarrassing. I didn't realize that I had 203 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 4: a nose hair like that. 204 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 5: That was really bothersome. But you know, you really should 205 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 5: have just. 206 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: Told me about it, because I don't think anyone wants 207 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 4: to know his. 208 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 5: Hair sticking out like that. It's like how you should. 209 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: Always tell someone that they have food stuck in between 210 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 4: their teeth or you know, if a girl has lip 211 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 4: stick on her teeth, you should always tell somebody. So yeah, 212 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 4: I mean it's not such a big deal. 213 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 5: I can easily trim that. 214 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 6: I'm sorry I didn't tell you. I I liked you 215 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 6: a lot, and I didn't want to undercut the experience 216 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,119 Speaker 6: by bringing something. 217 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: Up that's awkward on a first date. Honestly, I think 218 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 3: you're great. There's just this thing that's poking right out 219 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: of your nose? Can I pluck it? But then what 220 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: are you gonna do? How are you gonna pluck it? 221 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: You're gonna run back in the bathroom. 222 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: And I have a fair of tweezers with me at 223 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: all times in case I need to pluck a nose hair, 224 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: do you Yeah? 225 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 5: Wow, Well maybe I should borrow it. 226 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you have a great atage. 227 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, at least you have a good sense of humor 228 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: about it. Antonio, would you like to go out with 229 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: Jim again on another date? We'll pay for it. 230 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 6: Sure. I love that a lot. 231 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: Jemmy, are you gonna be able to trim your nose 232 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: hair before you see Antonio again? 233 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 5: Yeah? 234 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be plucking my nose hair every day. 235 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: Well, congratulations, you got another date. 236 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: Nice. Yeah, that's really great. I'm super excited to see 237 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: here don Antonio. 238 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: Me too. 239 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 6: Maybe we can maybe we can go Tweezer shopping. 240 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: Wow, Well, the story you'll tell your kids one day. 241 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 4: Jules First, any follow up