1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, in the past week, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: we've been talking to a bunch of family members of 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: service members and first responders, and we had Scotty Wirt's 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: mother on the program, and Scotty actually served with Shannon Kent, 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: and so we thought it would be wonderful to have 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk with her husband, Joe Kent, and 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: talk about his new book that he has out called 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: Send Me The True Story of a Mother at War. 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: And this is really it's a fascinating story about Shannon, 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: who was such a special lady. Joe himself is not 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: only running for office, but he is a retired twenty 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: year veteran of our nation's Special Forces where he served 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: as a Green Beret. 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: Joe, thank you so much for joining me. 15 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: Thanks much for having me on. 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely, as I'm going through Shannon's story, she sounds like 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: she was such an incredible woman. I mean, honestly, as 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm going through her story, I'm reading this mom and 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, how did she do all of this? 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about what she was like? 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: Just an absolutely amazing person, very caring, very loving, but 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: also very focused. After nine to eleven Shannon, like a 23 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: lot of us, made the War on Terror in her 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: life's mission. She wanted to contribute to the country. She's 25 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 3: a native New Yorker, joined the military as a response 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: to the attacks on nine to eleven. Her father and 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: uncle were both grown zero first responders, so her and 28 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 3: her younger brother both sought out recruiters and said, hey, 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 3: send me into conflict. I want to go fight for 30 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: my country. Shanna knew that she had a knack for languages, 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: so she studied Arabic at Defense Language Institute and then 32 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: really just took a knack to picking up the different 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: dialects of Arabic, but just very driven wanted to contribute. 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: She always felt like she was never doing quite enough, 35 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 3: but then just really threw herself into everything that she 36 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 3: sought out to accomplish. 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: I think the most fascinating part of her story to 38 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: me as a mom is that last mission, and so 39 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: much was going on in your lives at that time, 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: because you were two young boys, and really your youngest 41 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: was very young. How old was your youngest when she 42 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: went to the last deployment. 43 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: He was one and three. They're really young. 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: And her goal was really to become an officer, go 45 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: into psychology help there, and then when you were del 46 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: to blow when you found out that because she was 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: a cancer survivor, she wasn't able to do that. I 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: think that's to me the most shocking. I'm not only 49 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: a mom, but I'm also a cancer survivor, and I 50 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: know that when you've survived something like that, you're like, hey, 51 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this is off of my charts. Now 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm ready to go. And she was that 53 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: kind of lady who was ready to go walk us through. 54 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: How does that happen? 55 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: And I know you said she wanted to go to 56 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: Congress and get that changed. Where does that stand today? 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: So it's the ultimate catch twenty two. Shannon had served 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: at that point for almost fifteen years in the Navy 59 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: as an enlisted sailor, and then she wanted to get 60 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: her degree in psychology. She had already had a bachelor's 61 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: and a master's that she did in her spare time 62 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: when she wasn't deployed to combat or raising our family 63 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 3: while I was deployed. She got a master's in psychology. 64 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 3: She was accepted into a pretty elite program in the 65 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 3: military to become a psychiatrist. It's a PhD program academically, 66 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 3: very rigorous to get into. She had been accepted. When 67 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 3: they went back through her records, they said, technically you're 68 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: ineligible because you're going to make the jump from enlisted 69 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: to officer and you're not held to retention standards. So 70 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: if you have been injured or had cancer and the 71 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 3: Navy gives you a clean bill of health, well they're 72 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: still going to get their buckworth out of you. They're 73 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 3: still going to send you off to combat. But you're 74 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: technically not eligible for a commissioning program because you don't 75 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: meet a session standards as if you just came off 76 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: the street. Huge catch twenty two. So that was dealt 77 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: to us, like right before her last deployment, she had 78 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: envisioned her going to this program still contributing to our community, 79 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: especially with the mental health crisis that we're seeing right 80 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: now within the veteran community. But she shifted gears pretty 81 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: quickly and said, if you know, if this didn't work out, 82 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to fight it in Congress. And 83 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: actually after she was killed, we got the Secretary of 84 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: the Navy to change the regulation. So now if you're 85 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: enlisted and you've had an injury, you've had you've been 86 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: a cancer survivor, and you can get a clean bill 87 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: of health, then you get priority with the commissioning process 88 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: and you're not held to a session standards, you're held 89 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 3: to attention standards. So unfortunately it was a little bit 90 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: late for Shannon, but we got that regulation changed. It's 91 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: now called the Shannon Kent Regulation. 92 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: Would she have deployed that last time had she been 93 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: able to go into that program. 94 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: No, she would not have. She would have been at 95 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 3: Walter Reed in an academic program. And that's that's why 96 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: she chose that that field. 97 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: You go through in the book a lot of her 98 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: mindset of leaving the kids. And obviously you're both in 99 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: that position where you had served many times, you had 100 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: been shipped off on several deployments, both of you, and 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: you'd kind of made that balance. 102 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: I love this story. 103 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: About you being deployed and she the pipes burst in 104 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: the basement and she's like, you know what, I'm seven 105 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: months pregnant, but I'm gonna fix these pipes and I'll 106 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: redo the basement. And then when it happens in the kitchen, 107 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: I'll redo that too. What is it like to come 108 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: home and be like, Okay, you got this. 109 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. Definitely one of the many moments where I'm like, yeah, 110 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: I really picked the right woman and kind of won 111 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 3: the lottery. I mean, you know, I had been deployed 112 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: quite a bit at that point in my life, and 113 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: I'd seen the struggles that other guys had, you know, 114 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: with their marriages, where things went wrong at home and 115 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: it could be really catastrophic for guys. But Shannon, whether 116 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: it was our pipes bursting and her redoing our house 117 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: or her she moved us at once when she was 118 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: I think six months pregnant and I was deployed. The 119 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: cancer that she survived, she didn't even tell me about. 120 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: She she had a thyroid scan that said she had cancer. 121 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: She had a biopsy and cut out and sent me 122 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 3: a picture while I'm sitting in Iraq of this scar. 123 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 3: It looked like she got into a knife fight across 124 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: her throat and she said, I had the cancer cutout. 125 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 3: It's no big deal. I'm like, what are you talking about? 126 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: She had cancer cutout? Yeah, just just finished doing what 127 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: you're doing and come home. I'll tell you about it. 128 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: It's not a big deal. And that was kind of herm. 129 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: I got home from that deployment where the pipes burst 130 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: in the downstairs and then again in the upstairs, and 131 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: she just showed me the pictures after the fact of 132 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: her and our youngest at the time with her pregnant, 133 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 3: like redoing the floor. So that's just a snapshot of 134 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 3: who Shannon was. 135 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: It's the ultimate tough girl story. 136 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: You talk about the fact that she decided to deploy 137 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: after nine to eleven, but really when she was in 138 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: high school, that seed was planted. And I think that's 139 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: a cool story because we see how God works throughout 140 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: our lives at different points, and he clearly planted that 141 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: seed early on. 142 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: And she was built for this. 143 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean, someone who can just pick up these languages 144 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: and Arabic very challenging. 145 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: So that seed was planted very young. When did you 146 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: meet her? 147 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: So the first time we met was in two thousand 148 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: and seven in Baghdad, and we met briefly. It was 149 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 3: a ten minute meeting. I actually attended a briefing that 150 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: she was giving on locations of some Terris that we 151 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: were trying to hunt down, and we had a brief 152 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: conversation and I should have gotten her phone number, should 153 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: have gotten her email, but it just didn't work out 154 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 3: that way because it was all business at that time. 155 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: I intended on going back and you know, trying my 156 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: best to chat her up later on, But when I 157 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: went back to that location, she had already been moved. 158 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: I found out years later that she had been taken 159 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: to a location that was even closer to the front 160 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: lines to go help run down some terrast at the 161 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: ground level. But we didn't see each other again for 162 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: several more years when we both got selected for a 163 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: pretty elite unit that combines intelligence and special operations. 164 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: One of the things when we were talking is Scotti's 165 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: mom that surprised me is the amount of communication with 166 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: technology these days that you can have when someone is deployed. 167 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: And you comment on. 168 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,559 Speaker 1: How as a mom, she was first and foremost wanting 169 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: to make sure that when you were away you were 170 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: talking to the kids and vice versa. How do you 171 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: keep that relationship going when you're both constantly being pulled? 172 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: And I have to say, when I read this, it 173 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: does seem very much like it. There's a different type 174 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: of pull in the heartstrings of a service member because 175 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: you are between raising your family and obviously you can 176 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: tell how that was her top priority as a mom, 177 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: but also you are a person who protects the rest 178 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: of us, and that was a top priority too. 179 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: How did you to manage that? 180 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: I think both of us being in the same line 181 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: of work and kind of meeting each other when we 182 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: both had some deployments under our belt, we had seen 183 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: you know, friends and peers really struggle with relationships, and 184 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: I think we were just glad that we had found 185 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: each other and that we could be forthright, because it's 186 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: really hard for service members, especially on the intel and 187 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: special operations side, to be married to a civilian who 188 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: you simply can't tell all the details too. So me 189 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 3: and Shannon being in similar units, both having security clearances, 190 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 3: being able to communicate on secure systems, we could be 191 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: one hundred percent you know, honest with each other and forthright. 192 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: And really, at that point in our lives, the deployment cycle, 193 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: so to speak, it was one hundred percent our lives. 194 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: So from the time that we decided we were going 195 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: to have a family together, it was just kind of 196 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: worked out that, hey, you know, whoever was deployed would 197 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: make sure that they were always calling back home. Whoever 198 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 3: was home would make sure that the kids saw mom 199 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: or dad. So you know, it sounds crazy when you 200 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: read about in the book, but it was just our reality. 201 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: It was our normal. 202 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that I don't want to give 203 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: away everything that's in the book, but you've got to 204 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: read the book because when you read the book, you 205 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: really understand, especially for someone from my perspective who has 206 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: never been deployed. And the service members in my family 207 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: were my grandfathers, and so I didn't really hear much 208 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: about what it was like for them to serve. They 209 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 1: didn't come back and talk about it. So when I 210 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: read this, I'm like, this is the true inner workings 211 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: of what happens behind the scenes. And you have a 212 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of her quotes in here. I mean, you really 213 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: got to the heart of what she was dealing with. 214 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: It just is to me for the outsider looking in, 215 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: you were very able to capture what both of you 216 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: went through. But really, Shannon in a way that I 217 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: don't know that most husbands could. 218 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it took me a while, and it was definitely 219 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: kind of a cathartic process of just going back through 220 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 3: a lot of our conversations together and you know, our 221 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 3: text messages and all that. But I wanted to be 222 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: as accurate as possible in the book, because really the 223 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: book is for our sons, because they were so young 224 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: when she was killed. I really want them to be 225 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: able to read this on their own and really get 226 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: to know their mom at a deeper level beyond the 227 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: stories that I tell them and their aunts and auncles 228 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: tell them. So it's definitely a labor of love to 229 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: Shannon's legacy. 230 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next. On 231 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast, Shannon talks about I'm in journals 232 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: and in her writings, she talks about losing people and 233 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: that leading her to want to go into that career 234 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: in psychology and in the suicide rate for veterans. When 235 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: you think about what she was able to do on 236 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: the battlefield and how many times she was able to 237 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: go out there and just be that person who was 238 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: actually showing up men, and that's a hard situation out there, 239 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: and she comments on that a lot too, how challenging 240 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: it was to be a woman who carries that on 241 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: what her plan was. You know, have you had people 242 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: come to you and said, hey, I see what she 243 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: was doing and I want to carry on her legacy yeah. 244 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: I mean, that's another big reason why I wrote the book. 245 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 3: I mean, something that Shannon really really struggled with and 246 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: never seemed fair to me was that she had been 247 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 3: deploying too combat. She had been in a very dangerous situation. 248 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: She had been on the front line, tip of the spear, 249 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: but she didn't have a title. Something that she would 250 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: always say to me, and I never thought of it 251 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: from this perspective until she said it was like, hey, 252 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: you can walk into a room of our peers and 253 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: say hey, I'm joe I mcgreen Beret, and automatically people 254 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: know who you are, where you've been. You've got a 255 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: certain amount of gravitas that comes a bit. She's like, 256 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: when I go in and I have to say, well, 257 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: I'm Shannon, and I speak Arabic and I've been on 258 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: these deployments, and She's like, it takes me like ten 259 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: minutes to explain who I am and what I've done, 260 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: and then half the guys aren't going to believe me anyways, 261 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: and I have to prove myself all over again. When 262 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 3: she was okay with doing but after a while she 263 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: was like, it's just kind of exhausting. And I had 264 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 3: never looked at it from that perspective, and I'm like, yeah, 265 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: you're one hundred percent right. And so by telling her story, 266 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: I want to be able to tell the story of 267 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: other women who were there, because it wasn't, you know, 268 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: just Shannon, and it wasn't all men that were fighting 269 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: on the front line of the war on Terear. There 270 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: was no front line technically, according to the military, women 271 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 3: weren't allowed to go into combat until twenty fourteen, but 272 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 3: the wars had been going on for a really long time. 273 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: I had worked with a lot of women downrange who 274 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 3: did a great job, and by telling Shannon's story, I 275 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: want them to be able to say, hey, yeah, that's 276 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: not exactly what I did, but that's generally what I did, 277 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 3: and for it to become more recognized and accepted that 278 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 3: there's women here in these roles that contributed to the 279 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 3: fight just like I did or any other man. 280 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: And that, to me is the most fascinating part, because 281 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: I think that as women, we feel that no matter 282 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: what career we're in. But I can't even imagine the 283 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: level that is when you're on the battlefield and then 284 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: when you're going into these meetings, and I think that's 285 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: one of the most important parts of this story as 286 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: a country, especially as we watch what's happening with Israel 287 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: right now, we know all of the young men and 288 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: women go into the military. To listen to and read 289 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: Shannon's story, it is so powerful to see what she 290 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: was able to accomplish and to know I think oftentimes 291 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: we have a lot of loud voices who are saying 292 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: women shouldn't be fighting, women shouldn't be out there, women 293 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: are a hindrance. I don't think there's anybody that would 294 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: has come across Shannon based on what I've read about 295 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: her and the people that I've met. Even John Turnbull, 296 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: who we've had on this program, who was with her 297 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: that day, would say there were not many people forget 298 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: about women. 299 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: There were not many people like Shannon. 300 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. And Shannon never sought out to be 301 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: like the first woman anything or need to be here 302 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: because I'm a woman. She always said, Hey, look I 303 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: know I can these languages, I know the culture, I 304 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: can do signals intelligence, I can do human intelligence. I 305 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: can be a value added and I just want to help. 306 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: I want to serve at the most elite levels. And 307 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: that's really the Shannon's story. It just so happened that 308 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: she was a woman, and so it really speaks to, 309 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: I think, just the commitment that Shannon and a lot 310 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: of other women had to do their part. They wanted 311 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: to have their shoulder to the wheel. They wanted to 312 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: shoulder their share of the task in the war on 313 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: Terror as well. So I think for a lot of 314 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: the folks who are outside the military, Ioyce hear a 315 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: lot of back and forth about should women do this, 316 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: should women do that? At the end of the day, 317 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: the women that can do the job, they find a 318 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 3: way to do the job, and I think they deserve 319 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: the credit for the jobs that they've done. Well. 320 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: Tell us about Joe. 321 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: What would Shannon say today about Joe running for Congress? 322 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: This is your second run. The last one was very close. 323 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: When you think about the fact that she wanted to 324 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: get that changed, you were able to do it when 325 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: the cancer situation and. 326 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: You were able to do that. What would she be 327 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: saying to you right now? 328 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: Well, I think she would definitely blush about the book 329 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: and all the coverage that she's gotten, you know, and 330 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: so I think she'd be a little bit like, Hey, 331 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: why are you telling my story. You know, it's not 332 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: that big of a deal. I was just doing my part. 333 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: But I think she would be, you know, honored with 334 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: all the attention that she's gotten. And then as far 335 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: as the political run goes, I mean, Shannon told me 336 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: a long time ago that I should go into politics. 337 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: As I was transitioning out of the military and going 338 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: to the CIA, she was like, you know, you're really 339 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 3: interested in this stuff. You've got an interesting perspective. You know, 340 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: you should start speaking out. And I didn't want to 341 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 3: do any of that at the time. It wasn't until 342 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: after she was killed that I kind of went down 343 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: this path. But she definitely put that planted that seat 344 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: pretty early in my head. I mean, Shannon had a 345 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: way of seeing things on the horizon way before most 346 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: people did. And you know, if I look back ten 347 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: years or so, she was saying like, hey, you should 348 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: go into politics someday. 349 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: So and here we are again, here we are seeing 350 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: God planting a seed early and taking you through this. 351 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: And I do think that you know, after you go 352 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: through a race like that, you know the pitfalls, you 353 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: know the challenges, but you also know right now the 354 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: challenges are very strong from the left with this whole 355 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: idea that anybody on the right is extreme. 356 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: You've been hit with a lot of that rhetoric. 357 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: So what is your response to those people who are saying, 358 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, the right is too extreme and anybody on 359 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: that side is going to be taking away democracy all 360 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: of this boloney that we hear right now. 361 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: See, we have a superpower on the right, and we 362 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 3: can talk about issues. In the left can't. That's why 363 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: they have to do this whole name calling. So anytime 364 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: they call names, I just say, like, okay, let's talk 365 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: about the issues, like defend your open border policy. Go 366 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: ahead and defend why I've had one hundred and thirteen 367 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 3: thousand Americans killed by fentanyl. You can't do it. And 368 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: it's really just common sense to say that we should 369 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: have a border that protects our citizens, we should have 370 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 3: an immigration policy that benefits our country. That's not racist, 371 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: it's not anything but trying to do the right thing 372 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: for the American people. Same thing with the economy. I mean, 373 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: we just have to have basic fiscal discipline. We can't 374 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 3: keep spending money this way. And then the social issues, 375 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: I mean, we get called every name of the book 376 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: until you actually talk about the issues, and you say, 377 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: does anybody really think that biological men should be in 378 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: your daughter's bathroom? I mean, and that's just ten fifteen 379 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 3: years ago. If you would even mentioned that, even the 380 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: furthest left Democrat would be like, what are you talking about? 381 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: Why are we even discussing this? But that's the Democrat Party. 382 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: So to me, I just say, hey, let's just focus 383 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: on the issues. And I really do think that a 384 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: lot of Republicans and common Sts Americans, because of the 385 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: way the veil has been lifted, I think they're really 386 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: starting to build up an immunity to these ad hominem attacks. 387 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: It's like, well, everything's racist, you know. It's like if 388 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: you say you want to close down the border, automatically 389 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: your every name in the book. And I really think 390 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: people are building up an immunity to that and they 391 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 3: just kind of tune out. And so if we are 392 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: speaking truth and we're actually talking about the issues that 393 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 3: relate to the American people, I think we're really going 394 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: to resonate. So I feel that there's a big change 395 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: between twenty twenty four and where we were. Even in 396 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. 397 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: I thought a lot about those cultural issues when going 398 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: through your book, because I kept thinking, here is this 399 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: amazing woman who fought really hard to get where she 400 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: was and as we just talked about having to combat 401 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: the idea that she was a woman in a man's world. 402 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: And yet this latest administration has been very aggressive with 403 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: pretending the military is some play place for trans people, 404 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: and they have ads with trans people, and we all 405 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: know the truth is that those people are undeployable. 406 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: They won't be deployed. 407 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: They'll go through basic training and will pay for that, 408 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: but because of the medications they're on, they are not 409 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: considered somebody that can actually go out in the field. 410 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: It's all for show, and to me, I think that 411 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: the average person doesn't realize that. The average person doesn't 412 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: realize that we are wasting a massive amount of money 413 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: on a group of people to make them feel good. 414 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: But the military, just like if you had any other 415 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: situation where you had to take constant medication like that, 416 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: is not going to deploy you. 417 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: What do you say about those issues. 418 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: When you look at the fact that right now we 419 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: are potentially facing a world war and we have advertisements 420 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: for our military with men dressing up in drag, and this. 421 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 3: Speaks to the recruiting crisis. I mean, I think right now, 422 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 3: in the last six months, I've seen more articles and 423 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 3: heard more about the recruiting crisis, like it just popped 424 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 3: out of nowhere, Like, Wow, how come no one wants 425 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 3: to join the military. Well, it's cause and effect. I mean, 426 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: when Biden came in, he inherited a military that had 427 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 3: been at war for twenty plus years, and during the 428 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: hardest years of the War on Terror, we didn't have 429 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: any issues getting people to volunteer for the military. There 430 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: was no recruiting crisis whatsoever. But because Biden has prioritized 431 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: these niche social issues, especially the transgender issue, called everybody 432 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: who you know might be a Republican or had a 433 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 3: Gadsden flag, you know, a potential domestic terrorist. And then 434 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 3: the COVID vaccine. Now we have a massive retention crisis, 435 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: which doesn't get talked about. Their senior to mid grade 436 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 3: noncommissioned officers and officers that are fleeing the military in droves. 437 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 3: And that's really dangerous because that's your experience. But then 438 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 3: also we can't put people into the military. And like 439 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: you mentioned by and at the same time, he wants 440 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 3: to destroy the military. He hasn't found a war overseas, 441 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 3: he doesn't want to get us involved in. Right now, 442 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 3: we're on the precipice potentially of you know, multi front wars, 443 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 3: potentially World War three. Some people would even I think 444 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: accurately say that we're in the early stages of it. 445 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: The American people don't realize what this is, what's going 446 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: to happen. Like our generation, we've never had to even 447 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: really consider the draft, but everybody still has to register 448 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: for selective service. So if we don't start taking care 449 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: of the military and letting them focus on the mission 450 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: the next crisis abroad, it's not going to be the 451 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: all volunteer force that goes and does it because they're 452 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 3: not going to We're simply just not gonna have the numbers. 453 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: They're going to have to bring in a draft. And 454 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 3: people will say, hey, you're being hyperbaublic when you talk 455 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: like that when you talk about a draft, But really, 456 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 3: if you just look at the sheer numbers, if we 457 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 3: can't put people in the military, if we can't retain 458 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: people in the military, and there is a major crisis, 459 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 3: the draft is the next only likely conclusion that's going 460 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: to take place. 461 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: Well, and I think that this is a different kind 462 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: of war than we saw with World War One world 463 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: War two, where there was a certain amount of rules 464 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: that were followed. Everybody that I've talked to that has 465 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: come back from Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria has said, look, 466 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: we have rules to follow, but when you're dealing with terrorists, 467 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: they just do whatever they want. And so I'll be 468 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: sitting there watching my buddy who's about to go over 469 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: a suicide bomb or a one of the bombs in 470 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: the ground, and I can't say anything because the rules 471 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: of war won't let me engage when I see this 472 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: person doing this. And so I wonder when you have 473 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 1: an an untrained military and then suddenly you are going 474 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: to have a draft and you're fighting an enemy, it's 475 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: almost like a Vietnam again, where people are coming out 476 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: of the jungle, you don't know that they're there. 477 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: How does that? How does that go? 478 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: I mean, and you see a China and a Russia 479 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: and a North Korea all coming together and around coming together, 480 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: and they're talking nuclear weapons. 481 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 2: This is catastrophic. And we're really not hearing anything from the. 482 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: Biden administration, and we really aren't hearing anything about the 483 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,719 Speaker 1: fact that you know, they're stopping weapons, they're sending weapons. 484 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: These are acts of Congress, these decisions that are being 485 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: ignored by the Biden administration. When you look at all 486 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: this together, someone who wants to go into Congress, what 487 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: do you bring to the table and how do you 488 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: have some management over this situation. 489 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: Well, one of the big problems is that the Congress, 490 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 3: regardless of who's been in charge of for the last 491 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: twenty plus years, we basically let the executive branch call 492 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 3: all the shots when it comes to war. And if 493 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 3: you read the Constitution, the founders Regenia says, it's pretty simple. 494 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 3: They didn't want one person in the White House to 495 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 3: be able to send us off to combat. That is 496 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: with the Congress. That's with the body that is closely 497 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 3: tied to the people who are going to have to 498 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: bear the burden of conflict in terms of blood and 499 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: in terms of paying for it as well. So I 500 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: think Congress needs to rein back in their war powers 501 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: before we do anything. I mean, for instance, this latest 502 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: Debaco or Biden and sent a peer, a floating peer 503 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: of military ships to go build a pier off the 504 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 3: coast of Gaza, like he just did that through unilateral action, 505 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 3: but that was putting combat troops, boots on the ground. 506 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 3: And now because some of the piers and the ships 507 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: have run ashore, we literally have boots on the beaches 508 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: of Gaza. Nobody voted on that, and so now we've 509 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 3: we've become directly involved, essentially trying to play port authority 510 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: slash referee in this fight between the Israelis and the Palestinians. 511 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 3: No one voted for that whatsoever. The American people didn't 512 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 3: get any saying that we just authorized the money for 513 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: Biden to fund this further escalation. And I would say 514 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: the same thing with Ukraine. I mean, Congress has just 515 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 3: given a blank check to Biden to say, hey, we're 516 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: going to send billions and billions of dollars over there. 517 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: I understand there's people who disagree with me, and they 518 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 3: say that we should be involved in Ukraine, but look, 519 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 3: let's have that national discussion. Let's have that debate and 520 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: put that debate on the floor of Congress, make the 521 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: executive branch, make the DoD come forward and say here's 522 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: the plan, here's the goal, here's how much we think 523 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: it costs, Here's what we think winning looks like. They 524 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 3: never do that. They always just say they need billions 525 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 3: and billions of dollars and we can't account for it, 526 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: and we send it over there. And this is incredibly 527 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 3: dangerous because this is exactly how we sleep walk our 528 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 3: way into war. The next thing you know, there's going 529 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: to be some sort of an incident in Ukraine, potentially Israel, Iran, 530 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 3: you name it, because we're spread so thin right now, 531 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 3: and the American people are going to wake up and say, well, 532 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 3: how do we get sucked into a war? I don't understand. 533 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: I didn't vote for any of this, and it's like, well, no, 534 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 3: your congressmen let the executive branch have the authorities, and 535 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: they funded the entire thing and they never put any 536 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: checks and balances on that. So I think the war 537 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 3: powers is something that's really critical that Congress needs to 538 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 3: rein back in to the people have in control as 539 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 3: opposed to just the executive branch. 540 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 541 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon podcast. 542 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: Well, I think you have a strong message there when 543 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: it comes to Joe Biden not being able to have 544 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: that conversation, because here you are someone and there's a 545 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: few others in Congress who are also veterans who have 546 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: come out said hey, we know what it's like on 547 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: the ground, but you have the commander in chief who 548 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: not only can't discuss it because he does it, his 549 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: version isn't good. 550 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: He literally can't discuss it. I mean, he can't have 551 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 2: a conversation. And I think that's very obvious right now 552 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 2: to the American people. We don't know what's happening with Ukraine. 553 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: We don't know what his discussions have been, because every 554 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: time a transcript comes out, it has to be fixed, 555 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: it has to be adjusted because he didn't say the 556 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: right thing. 557 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: Same thing with what's going on with Gaza right now. 558 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: And if you're the president of the United States, why 559 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 1: aren't you saying, hey, wait a minute, our ally is Israel. 560 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 2: I don't see Egypt coming in for Gaza. What's happening here? 561 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: There is a clear message that there is a problem 562 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: on the ground here, and now we have troops on 563 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: those beaches. Why aren't we hearing this on a regular basis? 564 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: Like why isn't the president coming out and talking to 565 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: the American people because he can't because he physically can't. 566 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: And you have a vice president who also cannot talk. 567 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the worst case scenario. And now 568 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: we're hearing that the Democrats are going to virtually nominate him, 569 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: so there can be no discussion about it. It's just 570 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: going to go up before the convention. All of this 571 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: is very fishy. How does this work for them in 572 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: the end? And specifically your district, because your district went 573 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: to a Democrat. Do you think the people in your 574 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: district are saying enough is enough? 575 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: They really are. I mean, the economy, the border, these 576 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: are major issues that are right up in people's faces. 577 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 3: We had to really divide the Republican primary last time. 578 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 3: That's why the Democrats are smart politically. The Democrats are 579 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: very efficient at the way that they wield political power. 580 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: They sat back, they watched the Republican blood bath. They 581 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: consolidated all their money around one candidate, and they were 582 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 3: able to flip the seat. This is still a conservative district, 583 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: and I think the vast majority of not just my district, 584 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: but the American people are really waking up. You can 585 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: put forward all the charts and grafts and talk about 586 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 3: the econ, but when people go to the grocery store 587 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 3: where they try and fill up their gas tank. People 588 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: are really struggling, and in the fentanyl deaths and the 589 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 3: border and the crime mess andother one. So I think 590 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 3: a lot more folks are coming over to our side. 591 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: But in terms of just how dangerous the world is, 592 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: I think Americans are starting to slowly wake up to that. 593 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 3: I fear it might be a little bit too late. 594 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 3: We do have to rethink our role in the world. Look, 595 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: America can't be the world's police, and we most certainly 596 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: can't be the world's police with this strategy, because it's 597 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: not just I mean, we all know Biden's senile. They 598 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: can't put him forward. He can't speak to world leaders, 599 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 3: he can't speak to the American people. You can say 600 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 3: the same thing for Kamala Harris. But even when you 601 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: look at Biden's so called you know, military experts, you 602 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: got Woyite Austin and look at that guy's track record 603 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: to blink in Sullivan, these people are not competent and 604 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: they can't explain to you what the strategy is. Like 605 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 3: it just explained to the American people how it made 606 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 3: sense to give I Ran access to billions of dollars, 607 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: to withhold aid from Israel, to give aid to Gaza 608 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 3: aka Hamas and then try to explain that to me, 609 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: but then also explain to me that you want this 610 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: to be resolved, because it seems to me like you're 611 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: simply funding one side and every now and again you'll 612 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: give the other side some money. And really, at the 613 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: end of the day, when you step back from that, 614 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 3: you look at who benefits. It's the military industrial complex. 615 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 3: It's a handful of defense contractors that are building mansions 616 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 3: along the Potomac, And the exact same thing can be 617 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: said for Ukraine. It's like, guys, we've been doing this 618 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 3: now for two years. You tried your strategy. We do 619 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: need to try something different. This status quo it's simply 620 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 3: non sustainable and the potential for disaster it's just astronomical. 621 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 3: The guys who won the Cold War with containment and 622 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 3: prevented nuclear war, they're rolling in their graves right now 623 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 3: based on what we're doing in Ukraine. But again, the 624 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 3: Biden administration refuses to be accountable to the American people, 625 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 3: and we need to get a firmer control of Congress 626 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: that we can actually exercise those checks and balances. 627 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me fight back a little bit on the 628 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: World Police thing. Because I think it. I think you're 629 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: arguing that the strategy is wrong. 630 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people get confused when 631 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: folks say America first. But America first because we are 632 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: the strongest and because we do keep the peace. And 633 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: there were ways to go about Ukraine and sanctions on 634 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: Russia stopping this from happening, stopping the connection between Russia 635 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: and China. There are ways to do this that do 636 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: not involve weapons, and yet Joe Biden chose to go 637 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: the weapons route and not do that. And then you 638 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: look at what happened with October seventh in Israel that 639 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: would have never happened with a President Trump. 640 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: And we can say that with very good clarity because. 641 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: We know that Iran would not have had the money 642 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: that they have today because of the choices that Joe 643 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: Biden made. And I think that this is the manipulation 644 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: of left to say, oh, these people just want to 645 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: think about America on an island. 646 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 3: No, no, no. 647 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: We want America to be the strongest nation because America 648 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: first means that we are in charge, we are making 649 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: the best decisions for the world. And when we talk 650 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: about these conflicts, it's funny how people pick and choose 651 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: which conflicts they want to get involved, and there are 652 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: conflicts all around the world. What America needs to do 653 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: is make sure that those vital relationships are intact and 654 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: the ones that we should not be condoning are not. 655 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: You know that you have some control over the fact 656 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: that you've got nuclear negative as of ours, who are 657 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: new potential nuclear powers getting together and talking about condemning 658 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: the United States. And yet we see China and Russia 659 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: meeting and having these conversations condemning the United States. 660 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: But we don't get word one from Joe Biden about this. 661 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 2: It's shocking to me. 662 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 3: A lot of it just goes back to basically understanding 663 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 3: that when America is weak at home, the rest of 664 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: the world gets dangerous, really really fast. This is just 665 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 3: something that I think President Trump intuitively understood as a businessman. 666 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 3: He understood leverage, like you can't go to the negotiating 667 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 3: table when you're weak. So what did Trump do? He 668 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 3: made us a net exporter of energy and that cut 669 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 3: into the bottom line of Vladimir Putin. That cut into 670 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 3: the bottom line of OPAK. So he would go to 671 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 3: the Middle East, not hat in hand, hat polist. We'd 672 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: get a couple more barrels of oil here and there. 673 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: Trump was like, I'm gonna keep flooding the market, like 674 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 3: I'm going to be a shot caller in this market 675 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 3: as well. And when we were flooding the market, it 676 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 3: was good for the American people. They had cheaper gas 677 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: that brought down the price of daily essentials like groceries. 678 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 3: But also that cut off Ladimir Putin. Putin simply didn't 679 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 3: have the money in the bank to invade Ukraine when 680 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 3: President Trump was president because of the energy policies. Trump 681 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 3: also through diplomacy, blocked off the construction of the Norad too, 682 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: And he went to the Europeans and said, hey, guys, 683 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: don't cry to me about Russia and say that you're 684 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 3: scared of Russia and you need more military assistance from America. 685 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: When you're buying oil from the guy, how about you 686 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: knock that off. And also, why don't you pay your 687 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 3: fair share? America first is in America alone, but we 688 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 3: do need our allies to shoulder some of the burden. 689 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 3: And you're one hundred percent right with Iran, I mean 690 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 3: President Trump's strategy of not getting US directly involved in 691 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 3: a war with Iran, but by isolating them and creating 692 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: the Abraham Accords, historic which him and Kushner should have 693 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 3: gotten the Nobel Ps Prize for uniting Israel, uniting the 694 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: Gulf oil producing countries in a strategic alliance, going in 695 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 3: there with a businessman's mentality and saying, look, we know 696 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: what we don't agree on. We don't agree on Israel Palestine. 697 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: Let's not talk about that. Let's talk about the existential 698 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 3: threat that is Iran and creating that alliance. Biden comes in, 699 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 3: kills off US energy independence. Every single bad actor in 700 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: the world now has a flush bank account. And then 701 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: he gives the Iranians billions of dollars and the Iranians 702 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: do what they always do. And the Iranians knew they 703 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 3: had to break up the one thing that was the 704 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: biggest threat to them, and that was the Abraham Accords. 705 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: And you do that by lighting the Arab Israeli conflict 706 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: back on fire, and the Iranians diabolically genius, and that's 707 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: exactly what they did. So you're one hundred percent right. 708 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 3: By making ourselves strong at home, using our leverage, using 709 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: the economy, using diplomacy, we can avoid these wars. And 710 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 3: that's better for everybody, not just America. That's better for 711 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: the whole world. 712 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: And see, this is the understanding that we need in Congress. 713 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: And honestly, I'm going to plug your book one more 714 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: time because I think when you read this, you understand 715 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: this is the person that gets it because it's not 716 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: just about Shannon, it's about you too. And when people 717 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: are saying, oh, well, who do I want in Congress, 718 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: when you read this, this is a family that put 719 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: America at the top of their priority list. That means 720 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: they put you at the top of their priority list. 721 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: And they said, Okay, we're going to do everything we 722 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: can to be together, to be a family, but to 723 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: all so protect this nation. And so if you're wondering 724 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: who is this man, Joe Kent and should I vote 725 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: for him? 726 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: I mean, read this. 727 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: This will tell you all you need to know. It's 728 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: called Send Me The True Story of a Mother at War. 729 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: I just want you to have the opportunity to tell 730 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: people where to get the book. 731 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 3: Pretty much, anywhere you buy books, send me. It's on Amazon, 732 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 3: It's at Barnes and Nobles, So send me anywhere you 733 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 3: buy books. Yeah, appreciating anything. Buy it my website for 734 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 3: the campaign is Joe Kentfocongress dot com. 735 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: Well, we are so glad to hear that you're running. 736 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and our condolences on your loss 737 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: of such an amazing woman. 738 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: And I just am so impressed with how you've been. 739 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: Able to capture her and share her with the rest 740 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: of the world in a way that I don't think 741 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: most people would be able to do, in such a 742 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: beautiful way. So thank you so much for this book, 743 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: and thank you for coming on to talk to us today. 744 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: Remember Joe Kent, he is running for Congress. If you 745 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: can help him out, make sure you do that. Thank 746 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: you so much for having me absolutely, and thank you 747 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon podcast. For 748 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: this episode and others, go to tutordisonpodcast dot com or 749 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: head over to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 750 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. 751 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: And join us next time. Have a blessed day.