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Hello, My name is Jason Concepcion, and welcome 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.720 to X ray Vision, the Cricket Podcast, where we dive 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.880 deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.920 In this episode, in the previously on, we'll be commemorating 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.760 the life and work of Kevin Conroy, the iconic voice 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.440 of Batman and Bruce Wayne for millions of fans around 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.319 the globe. We will be revisiting Black Panther Waconda Forever 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:51.720 after its opening week, talking about the reaction to the 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.760 film now a week out, and just the general topic 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.960 of Marvel fatigue. Is it happening? What is it? What's 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.920 going on? Care In the airlock, we're back in space 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.760 for and Or episodes ten and eleven and in a 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:11.600 hive mind. We are absolutely delighted to welcome and Or creator, screenwriter, director, 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.880 showrunner extraordinary Tony Gilroyd to the program. Of course, if 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.240 you want to jump around, check the show notes for 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.400 the time stamps. In joining me today, you know it 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:26.880 is the number one Godzilla writer working in ink and 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:31.320 pages today in the digital and paper medium, the number 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.160 one comics historian, the number one knower of things that 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.440 are related to horror movies, it's Rosie night Hella. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:39.040 It's me. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:42.040 Rosie. How are you. 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.280 Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I'm happy to be here. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:49.119 I'm sad about you know, Kevin, but I'm happy with you. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:50.400 We have to pay homage. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.320 There is amazing impact, and I mean, I'm happy to 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.280 be someone my ander again because this is as everybody knows. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:57.799 I mean, this is some of the best Star Wars. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:58.360 It's amazing. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.160 I ever put to TV, screen book, comic book like 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:02.960 this stuff is. 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:03.680 It's up there. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.880 So I'm really excited and I'll chat with Tony is 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:06.960 good stuff. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.480 What a guy. Okay, let's let's get into it. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:10.800 First. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.359 Up on the previously on the discussion of the impact 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:19.680 of Kevin Conray. So, Kevin Conroy passed away on November 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:26.760 tenth due to an ongoing illness intestinal cancer. Reportedly and 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:32.000 quite simply, he is Batman for millions of people, for 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.760 four hundred plus episodes of television, including his you know, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:42.200 legendary run on Batman, the animated series. It's hard to 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:47.480 really overstate the impact he had. Yeah, because you're talking 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.400 about a time when so the Batman movies were coming 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.360 out obviously still at this time. 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:53.640 But. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:04:02.120 They had these the animated series felt connect to the 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.800 quote unquote spirit of Batman. Yeah, the character in a 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:11.360 way that was unique. And it's just impossible to even 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.360 see a still from Batman the Animated series and not 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.400 hear that deep like baritone voice. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:25.080 Yeah, I mean so often over the years, especially you know, 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.520 many years ago, pre MCU and Superior movies were like 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.839 back at the top of the game. Again, like most 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.159 people of a certain age, if you ask them who 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.280 the best Batman was, or who their Batman was, they 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:37.520 would say Kevin Conroy. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.480 The animated series was. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.040 This all encompassing iconic thing that so many of us experienced, 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.160 and that for many of us was the most regular 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.240 Batman that we got. It was on TV, it was 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.320 easy to follow, you could watch it. Also, it was 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.600 you know, came out around the time of Batman Returns. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.320 It had a Danny Elfman score. It felt like it 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.440 was connected to the movies, but it also felt like 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.159 it was a part to the comics. It adapted everything 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:08.000 from you know, the Dark Knight Returns to like the 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:13.000 most silly, kind of playful elements of Batman. It also 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:18.800 introduced Harlequin obviously and huge. Yeah, and at the heart 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:23.600 of it is is Kevin Conroy and that performance, and 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:28.200 for so long, Batman, the animated series kept Batman alive 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.600 in the hearts of DC fans and people who love 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.720 superhero movies and people who don't, people who just like 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.280 that show and love Kevin. And it's kind of like 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.760 I would say, he's comparable to you know, Mark Hamill 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:45.760 and carry They really they kept Star Wars alive for 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.040 a long time when the movies weren't coming out by 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.480 doing cons and being present and having cameos and connecting 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.800 with fans and keeping that conversation going and that love going. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.800 And Kevin was like that. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.920 And recently he'd actually written a comic in the DC 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:07.119 Pride anthology that we talked about with Danny Fernandez called 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:14.480 Finding Batman, which is about how growing up as a 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:20.760 gay teenager was incredibly hard and how his journey to 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:25.040 Batman and becoming Batman reflects that part of his life. 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:26.200 It's absolutely amazing. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.640 DC actually put it up for free for people to read, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.760 so you can read it right now, and it's just, yeah, 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.200 what an unbelievable loss. And I'm just really one of 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.680 the things I think is really special is Kevin actually 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:44.440 got to play a future version of Batman in the 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.279 live action c dow stuff recently. So I love that 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:52.000 we got to see that Batman become you know, that 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.480 the Kevin's face Batman rather than. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.320 Just his his incredible voice. 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.080 But yeah, never been a better time to go back 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.720 and watch Batman made series, which is such a joy 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.120 and still just one of the best TV shows ever made. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.720 Connor Goldsmith, who hosts the Unbelievable cerebro Cast, one of 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:14.960 the one of the most indelible, unique and fun podcasts 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.160 about comics, specifically the X Men that is out there. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.640 It's absolutely vibrant with a really fun community, tweeted the 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.400 other day, It's been lovely to see the whole comics 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.640 internet coming together to celebrate Kevin Conroy. Apart from his 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.320 unrivaled work as a voice actor, which will be immortal, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.760 I'm so sad that in such an important gale there 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.080 is gone. He lived through so much and achieved so much. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:41.720 I'm grateful it was such an important part of his story. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.960 On Kevin Conray, you will be missed, all right. We're 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:50.960 a week plus away from Black Panther Wakanda Forever and 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.680 I've been interested to see the just to take in 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.520 the reaction and specifically the reaction. You know, I did this. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.760 I did a guest spot on on the Recode podcast 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.640 with Peter Kofka for Vox, and he was asking me 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.400 about Marvel fatigue, and I wanted to talk to you 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.480 about it, Rosie, because he was like, well, you know, 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.360 what do you think about Marvel fatigue? Some people are 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.240 tired of it or they're waiting for people to be 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:13.600 tired of it. What do you think is going on? 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.920 And it's been interesting that it's you know, as phase 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.720 four is kicked off, it has been really it's been 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.920 a huge topic and I think there's various reasons for that. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:32.360 And first of all, with regards to Marvel fatigue, it 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.400 will happen. If it's not happening now, people will get 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.240 people like, you know, everything that is popular will at 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.080 some point become less popular and stop happening. There's no 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:47.320 there's no reason to imagine that the Marvel movies will 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:52.959 remain the top box office breaking movies in the world 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.280 for the rest of our lives. Like they will fall 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.480 off at some point. But I think what's interesting to 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.160 me is, you know, having come from a writing background, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.200 is somewhat of a criticism background is I think a 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:09.320 lot of what's happening is as Marvel was going on 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.320 its run all the way up through Endgame. I think 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:17.840 that there were a lot of critics and people who 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.040 like movies generally, just fan of movies generally, who thought, 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.600 oh shit, is this what movies are going to be now? 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.079 And and we're not particularly maybe they like two or 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.120 three of the MCU movies, but we're not particularly fans 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.160 of the movies, which is absolutely fine. Like what you 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.280 like and like what you don't like. But I but 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.959 if I can, I can also understand if I was 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.760 a critic who didn't like Marvel movies, I would be like, shit, 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.640 am I out of a job? If I tell? And 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.320 I think now that Phase four has come out and it, 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.680 you know, didn't have the kind of drive, narrative drive. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:59.080 I think that the Marvel the somewhat disparate you know, 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.760 we're telling different stories about hidden societies, and there's no 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.240 there has been no central big bed to kind of 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.560 shoot for over the course of the face. I think 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.400 that I think that a lot of this is people 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.480 just feeling more comfortable now to say, you know, and 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.000 I don't like Marvel movies. We're in the past. It 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.400 would have been like you'd get you'd potentially get an 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.040 email from your editor like too bad. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.040 Sorry. No, I'm just. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.480 Saying I'm not confirming or denying if that's the case, 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.360 but I will say it sounds familiar. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.880 I'm saying that I think that is realistic. And I 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.480 think there's two big things here right. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:44.440 One is that as comic book fans, as people who 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.319 lived through the nineties boom when comic books were everywhere, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.520 we've actually seen this before, the idea of fatigue on 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.400 comics or comics being the biggest thing in the world 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:56.920 and they're everywhere, and they're talking about death of Superman 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:58.760 on the news, and there's five hundred. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.920 People queuing up outside a shop to meet Rob Leifeld. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.080 You know, we've lived through that. We've already lived through. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.920 Oh, this thing we love is now the most important 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.920 thing in the world in the early two thousands to 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.880 a certain extent, Spider Man, X men. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.360 Yeah, so we know that. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.480 These things are cyclical. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.880 If people are tired of Marvel, that's, like you said, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.760 it's to be expected. And I think the other thing 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.720 that you can't kind of count out about the way 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:30.080 that the conversation is going, especially on a critical lens, 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.480 because you know, people have to watch all these things 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:33.640 multiple movies in a year. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.560 I think that's a big part of Disney critical texture. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:43.920 I think that Disney Plus has been so influential for 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:44.920 both better and worse. 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:45.400 We love it. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.880 I mean, one division to me unbelievable, Like Jonathan Major's King, 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.240 these are things, These are stories I never thought I 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.240 would get to see. And if we weren't living in 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.400 an age where you know, I'll put it in brackets 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.480 content because I don't really like calling this stuff that, 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.840 but like content is king, you know, we probably wouldn't 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.720 be getting a story based on a weird Scarlet Witch 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.280 and Vision mini series, or we wouldn't be venturing into 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.920 the world of Kang if we hadn't already spent ten 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.960 years digging into some of the weirder parts of Marvel. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:18.079 But it, to me is very understandable that certain people might. 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.120 Be overwhelmed or tiring and even. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:26.920 Quicker because of the fact that there are so many 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.480 of these things to take note of. There are multiple 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.959 weekly shows, and if you add Star Wars into it, 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.480 then you're getting and then you add all the other 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.679 things Disney and Pixar, you know, there's multiple different versions. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.880 I will personally say the thing I think that is 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.360 positive about this for people who don't like it or 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:47.599 who do like it, Phase four, to me, is about 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:49.600 a certain level of choice. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.920 There's absolutely agree with you for all different. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:54.400 Kinds of people. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:59.560 Now, look we I always I love indie movies, I 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.640 love World Cinema, I love horror, I love b movies, 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.240 I love Fantasia Fest. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.120 I always want to see more kinds of movies. 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.360 So I understand that celebrating Disney for a certain amount 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.480 of variety is like cheering on a monopoly. But I 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:21.440 will say I think Phase four is actually positive, that 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:26.439 it's not this huge cultural beer moth that is everyone 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.600 has to like every movie. I actually think it's great 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:33.319 that you can like Love Eternals and not like Doctor Strange. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.480 I like both of them just for flabibitation. I really 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.480 like Doctor Strange. But I think the fact that there's 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.600 more of this stuff and people can have varying degrees 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.520 of conversation. Also, I am very much a person who says, 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.320 if you don't like it, just that's fine, Like you 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.160 can actually just not like it, and there's been a 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.520 lot of voices who, like you said, are feeling more comfortable. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.240 Does that relate to how people actually feel about Marvel movies. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.800 I don't necessarily think so. I mean, just to compare 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.520 numbers in the opening weekend of Black Panther were kind 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.920 of forever arguably probably the most anticipated movie of the 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.720 year on a pop culture level. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.040 Sure agreed, that made one. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.520 Hundred and eighty million domestic three hundred and thirty million 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.400 worldwide in about three. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:19.960 Or four days. 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.960 That is almost dollar for a dollar, the same amount 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.320 that Black Adam made in like almost a month. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.280 So it's there's a there might be a critical fatigue. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.800 I know that there's definitely general TV watchers who aren't 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.760 keeping up with every Marvel show, But I don't necessarily 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:45.040 know that Marvel fatigue means anything kind of dire for 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.440 the future of the ties. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:49.880 I mean, which is interesting, which is why I want 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.080 to raise it, because whenever the question is asked, or 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.640 whenever I'm asked that, or whenever I hear that conversation, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.840 it's always framed as it's you know, almost like when 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:00.280 is this is this over? 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:00.480 Now? 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.560 Is this whole thing over? And I and I think 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:07.080 that we've gotten to a point where to pick up 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.720 on something you're talking about, whether Disney intended this or not. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.160 We've hit a point now with the movies, with the 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.840 Disney plus offerings where it's kind of like, Okay, what 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.680 kind of marvel do you like? Do you like spy ship? 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:19.680 Do you like shit? 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.520 Do you like do you like shit? 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:22.800 You like shit? 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:23.400 Right? 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:24.880 Do you want funny stuff? Do you want? 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:25.200 Yeah? 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.560 And it's so listen, I'm sure that Disney wants you 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.720 to watch every single It's like looking movie we are watching. 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:35.840 We we are those people like we are you know, 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:37.400 we're in the tank for it, you know, because this 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:41.040 is what we have loved. But I think we've also 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:47.400 reached a point where this popularity may wax and wane. 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:53.880 But as a as a proposition, these movies and shows 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.640 aren't really gonna go anywhere. Like the budgets may go 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.000 up and budgets may go up and down. They may 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.320 release less movies per year, they may release less shows 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.160 per year, which I think and more and more yeah, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.000 or they make more animated whatever it is. But this 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:14.880 stuff is here, like all this this genre is here now, 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.760 and it's you know, not going anywhere for the foreseeable future, 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.600 although you know, the density and the cadence of them 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:24.160 may change. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.600 And also like this is something that I've talked about 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:31.880 with you guys, But like these patterns have been seen before, right, 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.200 Like the X Men movies X one x two. People 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.120 love those, Sam raym Spider Man one and two, they 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.720 loved them. Then you had like Tim Stories Fantastic Four, 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.200 which I think are very fun, even though they disrespected Galactus. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.360 So I've never forgiven that in the second one. But 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:51.320 like I feel like movies like Morbius, like there's always 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:56.040 gonna be a dilution of quality when something becomes so saturated. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:02.160 So that's gonna happen. And the real truth is that 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:07.840 until a new movie comes out that has almost one 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.320 hundred years of source material for people to be like, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.520 oh I can make one of those two, these movies 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:14.640 are going to keep being here. 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.600 It's like, whenever I try and think about it, like 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:18.840 you know, action. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.800 Movies, the trends, the blockbusters, the things that have happened before, 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:27.240 it's hard to predict what that kind of zeitgeist shifting. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:32.000 It's unpredictable. It's it's this is when I was working 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.000 at the Ringer Reader in binge mode, and Game of 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.680 Thrones was coming to an end, Like a major part 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.639 of the conversation was monoculture and is this the end 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.640 of monoculture with the end of Game of Thrones? Will 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.680 there ever be anything that captures the imagination like this? 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.680 And similar to end, you know, endgame was coming on 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:49.240 the heels of the end of Game of Thrones, So 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.000 it was like this feeling of oh have we have 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:56.880 we exited the era of this huge, you know, piece 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:01.960 of cultural content that everybody takes part in, and no 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.320 one again, as you said, no one can predict what 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.120 that thing is going to be. But if there's one 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.240 thing I'm sure of is that there will be another 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.359 thing like that again and again and again. Because we 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:17.040 create people, human beings crave it. We crave this massive 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.480 story that we can all talk about with our friends 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:24.320 or argue about and say, did you notice this? I 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.960 noticed this. The whole world is based on stories. 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:27.560 Culture. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.160 Human culture has been based on stories, from the traditions 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:34.480 of oral storytelling to religious texts to you know, comic 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.639 books like I always remember I went to this unbelievable 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:39.600 is one of the best days of my life. Still 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.600 it was like a Mike carry how to make comics 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.800 like Little Class and it was so cool and I 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:47.359 love the stuff. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.320 I yet with Apocalypse, so I'm super into it. 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.719 Yeah, and he said, you know, if somebody just found 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:58.560 like an entire run of the X Men comics in 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.680 five hundred years, they would probably think that was like 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:07.600 our Odyssey or some kind of real folk law that's shaped. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.680 That is fifty thousand plus issues. You know, it's it's 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.920 decades of human storytelling. It's analogous, it's not real, but 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.960 stories really matter. And whether it's comic book stories, whether 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.880 it's adaptations of Michael Crichton books like Jurassic Park, whether 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.760 it's biographical films, whatever, that next thing is going to 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.040 be that kind of blows up the world. 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:33.240 It's gonna be about stories. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.960 And like you said, we're always going to find something else, 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.640 especially with the Internet, because that allows us to connect 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.320 over these things in a way that was never possible 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.000 for and that's part of why we want the commune 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.360 or storytelling, the water cooler moments of Game of Fans. 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.400 Okay, up next, we return to a galaxy far far 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:55.159 away to discuss and or episodes ten and eleven X 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.240 ray Vision has brought to you, Ay, Doomlings, The world 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.639 is ending. 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