WEBVTT - S3 – 5: Flaws

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<v Speaker 1>Welcomed unobscured a production of I Heart Radio and Aaron Minky.

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<v Speaker 1>The police held on to the letter. If what they

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<v Speaker 1>said at the Central News Agency was true, it took

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<v Speaker 1>them a few days to decide what to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the Dear Boss letter. Then maybe it makes sense that

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<v Speaker 1>Scotland Yard didn't take immediate action when the letter reached

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Swanson's desk, And honestly it's hard to blame him

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<v Speaker 1>because letters and suggestions and tips had been coming in

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<v Speaker 1>from across England. It was the kind of thing that

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<v Speaker 1>Donald had managed to sort out when he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the trail of the Brighton Railway killer. That may even

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<v Speaker 1>have been the reason that Charles Warren thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>the right man to handle the things. But this was

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<v Speaker 1>something different, and from our point of view today, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the ideas that reached the police are truly baffling.

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<v Speaker 1>Take the suggestion. On septem the week after Annie Chapman

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<v Speaker 1>was killed, The Star said that police had received a

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<v Speaker 1>request to photograph the retin as of the dead women.

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<v Speaker 1>They were hoping that an image of the murderer had

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<v Speaker 1>been imprinted on Annie Chapman's eyeball. Could a camera properly calibrated,

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<v Speaker 1>take an imprint of that image and reveal the face

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<v Speaker 1>of the killer. That was just one of the desperate

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<v Speaker 1>suggestions made to the police that September. There's no way

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<v Speaker 1>that the police could take action on every whim and

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<v Speaker 1>scheme that reached them, let alone take them at face value.

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<v Speaker 1>The city waited in terror for the killer to be captured,

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<v Speaker 1>or for another woman to be murdered. The city waited,

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<v Speaker 1>but Donald Swanson could not. He had work to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's historian Adam would. At this time, Swanson and his

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<v Speaker 1>family were living in South London. I would imagine, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that route, it would have been probably a cop right

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<v Speaker 1>in each day and each evening. And he does actually

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<v Speaker 1>describe his working day in between September December. It's quite

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<v Speaker 1>a heavy workload, he said. I had to be at

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<v Speaker 1>the office at half past night in the morning, then

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<v Speaker 1>I had to reach for all the papers that had

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<v Speaker 1>come in which took me in who we live in

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<v Speaker 1>PM and sometimes between one and two in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>then I had to go to watch chaplains through the officers,

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely getting home between two and three, I am so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can you imagine that there's there's something

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<v Speaker 1>like about fourteen hours minimum of just literally just reading

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<v Speaker 1>the reports and statements which are coming each day. That's

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous amount of work for one officer to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And as the days stretched on, with Polly Nichols and

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<v Speaker 1>Annie Chapman's inquests both still open, with interviews and evidence

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<v Speaker 1>being reported in the papers, well it wasn't like anyone

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<v Speaker 1>was holding their breath. No, the panic in London was

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<v Speaker 1>what you might call vocal. One letter to the editor

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<v Speaker 1>at the start put things in stark terms. The detectives

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<v Speaker 1>were clearly inefficient. In fact, they were so ignorant of

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<v Speaker 1>London that their policing was a joke. And the writer

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<v Speaker 1>thought that he knew why a police force dependent on

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<v Speaker 1>taking men from the military rather than recruiting them from

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<v Speaker 1>London neighborhoods. In fact, Londoners who might be able to

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<v Speaker 1>actually or of the community, Well, they weren't even allowed

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<v Speaker 1>into the Metropolitan Force because they didn't meet the standards

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<v Speaker 1>of Army service, standards that were hardly appropriate for the

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<v Speaker 1>very work of policing a city. At least that's what

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<v Speaker 1>the letter argued. Under the present system, it said, men

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<v Speaker 1>are kept out not for want of skill or knowledge,

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<v Speaker 1>but because they are below the standard five ft nine inches.

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<v Speaker 1>Today the public are made to pay for height and

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<v Speaker 1>not for brains. But that question of whether the police

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<v Speaker 1>should recruit from the military, and whether London crime could

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<v Speaker 1>be addressed by people who weren't London born, well that

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing new. In fact, those had been common complaints

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<v Speaker 1>about the London Police for a very long time. How long, well,

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<v Speaker 1>right from the beginning, since about eighteen nine. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>a reform bill was passed under the Home Secretary Robert Peel,

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<v Speaker 1>the Act for Improving the Police in and Near the

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<v Speaker 1>Metropolis it was called. But almost exty years had passed

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<v Speaker 1>since Peel had organized the London Police. So when he

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<v Speaker 1>was put in charge of supervising the investigation of the

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<v Speaker 1>White Chapel murders in Donald Swanson, wasn't just sorting through

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<v Speaker 1>mountains of official reports from East End constables and thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of rabbit trails suggested by British citizens. It was also

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<v Speaker 1>navigating Robert Peel's legacy, and not all of it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>This is unobscured. I'm Aaron Manky. A lot had changed

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<v Speaker 1>before Robert Peel remade the London Police. According to his

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<v Speaker 1>modern plan. The city was patrolled by a patchwork of

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<v Speaker 1>parish beatles, elected constables, deputies, and night watchmen. The roots

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<v Speaker 1>went back to a time when tenant farmers took on

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<v Speaker 1>the task of what was referred to as controlling and

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<v Speaker 1>reforming the ungodly. Early parish policing wasn't so much about

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<v Speaker 1>enforcing crown law. That was the work of sheriffs. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>it was about things like enforcing church attendance. What did

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<v Speaker 1>that mean for these predecessors of the police, Well, in

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<v Speaker 1>one significant way, it meant that some of these jobs

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<v Speaker 1>were unpaid. Punishing people for swearing, drunkenness and vagrancy was

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<v Speaker 1>a service to God, after all, and people shouldn't expect

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<v Speaker 1>to be paid for that right. Other policing roles, while

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<v Speaker 1>less connected to the church, were no less burdensome. For

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<v Speaker 1>a while, there was even a market in what we're

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<v Speaker 1>called Tiburn tickets, the rewards that were given out for

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<v Speaker 1>prosecuting someone with a felony. If that person was convicted

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<v Speaker 1>and executed, a Tiburn ticket was awarded to the person

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<v Speaker 1>who had made the arrest, and then the ticket holder

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<v Speaker 1>was exempt from future duties in the parish. As you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine that made those tickets quite valuable to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of the job. Wealthy Londoners would pay handsomely for

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<v Speaker 1>a ticket that someone else had earned, and the ticket

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<v Speaker 1>holders knew they had something valuable on their hands. They

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<v Speaker 1>would even advertise them in the papers. In eighteen eighteen one,

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<v Speaker 1>tickets sold in Manchester for two pounds. By one estimate,

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<v Speaker 1>that's roughly twenty five thousand pounds today, and the get

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<v Speaker 1>out of work tickets weren't the only things for sale

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<v Speaker 1>in London. The Nightly Watch in particular, earned themselves a

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<v Speaker 1>reputation for being in the pockets of anyone wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>get away with something nefarious under the cover of darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>Some even spent their nighttime hours avoiding dangerous situations entirely

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<v Speaker 1>so when it came to protecting the property of the wealthy,

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<v Speaker 1>there was really no police force to rely on. That

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<v Speaker 1>led to even more armed forces popping up in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, along the banks of the River Thames, rich

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<v Speaker 1>merchants would organize their own security forces to protect the

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<v Speaker 1>merchandise in their ships and warehouses. So much for preventing crime,

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<v Speaker 1>but when it came to solving London crying before the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds, while there were the Bow Street Runners. They

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<v Speaker 1>were a professional group of detectives originally formed by the

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<v Speaker 1>parish magistrate to guard against highwaymen on the main roads

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<v Speaker 1>into London. They made their money chasing rewards for crime solved,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the early years of the New century they

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<v Speaker 1>were also caught collecting rewards for crimes they committed. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>there was something deeply wrong with the way the city

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<v Speaker 1>was patrolled and crime was managed. With London growing, all

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<v Speaker 1>those mercenaries riding out from bow Streets and the parish

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<v Speaker 1>constables marching their neighborhoods made a muddle of either preventing

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<v Speaker 1>or solving crime. But Robert Peel's ideas were battle tested.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, he developed his system for controlling a population

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<v Speaker 1>with police just next door. In the decade before he

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<v Speaker 1>got his reform passed, he was honing it to a

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<v Speaker 1>sharp point in Ireland. That's where the traditional authorities the

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<v Speaker 1>landed gentry, had been failing to control the world poor.

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<v Speaker 1>A seventeen eighty nine rebellion had shocked the British aristocracy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was caused by a deep depression and the collapse

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<v Speaker 1>of prices for farm products. Before the rural poor had

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<v Speaker 1>not owned their land, but now they didn't even have

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<v Speaker 1>a way to make a living. But the British government

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<v Speaker 1>decided that rather than address the problem's root cause, they

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<v Speaker 1>needed new means of social control, so they gave the

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<v Speaker 1>job to Robert Peel. His diagnosis was brimming with the

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<v Speaker 1>typical condescending prejudice. Rather than seeing an island of dispossessed people,

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<v Speaker 1>he instead saw the irishman's natural predilection for outrage and

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<v Speaker 1>lawless life. So he created what he called a peace

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<v Speaker 1>preservation force to discipline what he called the morally depraved

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<v Speaker 1>of the lower orders. What a pedestal you must have

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<v Speaker 1>placed himself on. When they marched out into Ireland, Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Peel's constables were mocked using his name aim The Irish

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<v Speaker 1>residents called his forces bobbies after Roberts and Peelers. That

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Those names stuck too, and came back to London.

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<v Speaker 1>When Peel's model for cudgeling the Irish poor was returned

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<v Speaker 1>to England, he came home to find that from his

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<v Speaker 1>perch it looked like there were lower orders in London

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<v Speaker 1>as well as in Ireland. When Robert Peel's bill passed

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen twenty nine. It created a unified, centralized force

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<v Speaker 1>of policemen, all gathered in London under his command. Their

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<v Speaker 1>orders were to prevent crime, but they weren't very well

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<v Speaker 1>received by some Londoners from the beginning. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>complaints against them was that they were outsiders, pushing out

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<v Speaker 1>the old neighborhood watchman and replacing him with unfamiliar oaths

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<v Speaker 1>and bullies. One east Ender said in disgust that his

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<v Speaker 1>hatred for the Bobby's was because they were and my quote,

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<v Speaker 1>red hot Irishman just imported they were strangers, They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know the city they brought their clubs down upon. There

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<v Speaker 1>may have been some element of truth to that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Even towards the end of the eighteen hundreds, only one

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<v Speaker 1>out of every six police in London had been born

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<v Speaker 1>in this city, and that included Chief Inspector Donald Swanson.

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<v Speaker 1>His family, you see, it was from Scotland, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were plenty of Scots in London's Metropolitan Police. But there

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<v Speaker 1>were things that made Swanson unique as well. Here's Adam Wood.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, Swanson nothing perhaps uniquely among policemen of that time.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of what comfortables joined the police were from

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<v Speaker 1>out of London laborers or farm workers, and came looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a regular work, which the police obviously was at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. But Swanson was born to a brewing family. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>by Tommy was sixteen, he became a second master at

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<v Speaker 1>the Miller Institute, which is the school he was in,

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<v Speaker 1>assisting the head teacher, and it looked as though he

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<v Speaker 1>had a career marked out in education. I don't know whether,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, Donald just gave up turned his back

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<v Speaker 1>on a educational career, or he went to London to

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<v Speaker 1>support the family, which I suspect may have been the case.

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<v Speaker 1>He got a job quite quickly in the offices of

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<v Speaker 1>the City Clock, just as a general clock, nothing too

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<v Speaker 1>strain uous, but again some degree of intelligence was required.

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<v Speaker 1>Swanson put that intelligence to work when the company he

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<v Speaker 1>was clerking for closed down. That's when he picked up

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<v Speaker 1>the paper and browsed the job advertisements, and a position

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<v Speaker 1>in the Metropolitan Police caught his eye. You see, Donald's

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<v Speaker 1>oldest brother had served on the City of London Police

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<v Speaker 1>force for a time before moving back to Scotland to

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<v Speaker 1>do the same in Edinburgh, and for him policing became

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<v Speaker 1>a profitable career, so Donald decided to follow in his

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<v Speaker 1>brother's footsteps. He wrote in an answer to the advertisements,

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<v Speaker 1>after passing an examination with flying colors, he had three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks of drill training and that's all it took. In

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<v Speaker 1>less than a month. Donald Swanson was a London Bobby.

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<v Speaker 1>If we peel back the layers, there's a lot to criticize,

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<v Speaker 1>because right from the beginning the new unified police force

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<v Speaker 1>didn't quite live up to the neats and tidy plan.

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<v Speaker 1>They were supposed to reform and replace a group of

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<v Speaker 1>bullies who were easily paid off, But right out the

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<v Speaker 1>gates the Bobbies earned themselves a bad reputation. First there

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<v Speaker 1>were the arrests on flimsy evidence. It's true that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the new policemen were brought in from outside

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<v Speaker 1>the city and they took to nabbing people on the

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<v Speaker 1>streets just for being near the scene of a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was the slow realization that these new policemen, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they developed a bad habit of abusing that power. After

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<v Speaker 1>one constable was caught stealing mutton from a neighborhood butcher,

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<v Speaker 1>patrolman across the city were met with mocking cries of

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<v Speaker 1>who stole the Mutton. After all, the bobbies were supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent crime, not perpetrated. But it wasn't just a

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<v Speaker 1>leg of lamb that uniform bullies felt themselves entitled to.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also their relationship to London's world of vice.

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<v Speaker 1>Although under most circumstances prostitution was not actually illegal for

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<v Speaker 1>most of the century, there were still plenty of ways

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<v Speaker 1>that the new constables could make life hell for sex workers.

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<v Speaker 1>Only a few of the stories filtered up to London's

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<v Speaker 1>reading public before the end of the century, though, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the time it was clear most of the wealthy

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<v Speaker 1>and middle class London liked it that way. They were

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<v Speaker 1>okay with their new bobbies bringing the club down on

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<v Speaker 1>the London poor as long as they could look the

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<v Speaker 1>other way, as long as it kept them in their place.

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<v Speaker 1>There aren't stories of Swanson indulging in the worst of

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<v Speaker 1>these excesses. The worst reprimand he received in his days

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<v Speaker 1>as a constable was for drinking on the job, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt that he was part of the effort

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<v Speaker 1>to clean up the West End. He had been on

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<v Speaker 1>the force for three years when he and Aberline made

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<v Speaker 1>their undercover raid on the illegal theater in eighteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was part of police operations that would push most

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<v Speaker 1>sex workers out of haymarkets by eighteen seventy four, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was the kind of operation that made Swanson's intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>stand out from the pack. He was only a constable,

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<v Speaker 1>but his plain clothes work didn't go unnoticed. It made

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<v Speaker 1>him material to be lifted from ranks of peelers on

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<v Speaker 1>the streets into the hallowed rooms at Whitehall, where professional

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<v Speaker 1>sleuths took up the mantle of crime serving from the

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<v Speaker 1>Bow Street runners in the early eighteen forties. But the

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<v Speaker 1>decade when Swanson joined the detectives is one that would

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<v Speaker 1>give them quite a bad name. You see, they had

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<v Speaker 1>more power than the Bobby's naturally, and in eighteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>seven word got out that they had been using that

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<v Speaker 1>power for evil in what became known as the turf

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<v Speaker 1>Fraud scandal. Here's Adam Wood once again. Well. The turf

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<v Speaker 1>Fraud was a long running scam in which a London

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<v Speaker 1>gang committed a fraud on a rich French widow that

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<v Speaker 1>Superintendent Frederick Williamson of the Detective Department sent his best

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<v Speaker 1>men to investigate. But for some reason, the gang always

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be one step ahead and avoided arrest. They're

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<v Speaker 1>eventually captured and sent to prison, but one of them

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<v Speaker 1>then wrote to the government revealing the reason that had

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<v Speaker 1>been so difficult to arrest was that the detectives had

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<v Speaker 1>been bribed to warn them when the police were getting close.

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<v Speaker 1>Free detectives from the department and one corrupt solicitor were

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<v Speaker 1>put on China found guilty as you say in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, and the result was that the Detective Department

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<v Speaker 1>of School and Joad was completely disbanded and replaced by

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<v Speaker 1>a new system called the Criminal Investigation Department or the CID.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the detectives who had served in the old

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<v Speaker 1>department that not being arrested replaced on Freemont's proviation, had

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<v Speaker 1>to prove they could be trusted. Luckily, for Donald, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>only been appointed to detectives two weeks before the discovery

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<v Speaker 1>of the turf fraud, so he cannot have been evolved

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<v Speaker 1>in the cover up by the corrupt detectives. Needless to say,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a massive disgrace for the detectives, and make

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<v Speaker 1>no mistake about it, it was noticed by all of London.

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<v Speaker 1>After all, it had begun in the papers as a

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<v Speaker 1>fraudulent advertisement. That's what lured in the French Widow along

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<v Speaker 1>with other Parisians. Now the papers said things like the

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<v Speaker 1>detective service has broken down and is no longer to

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<v Speaker 1>be relied upon. The call came from all sides to

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<v Speaker 1>overhaul the force, which included the new c I D

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<v Speaker 1>in eight seventy eight, just ten years before the Whitechapel

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<v Speaker 1>murders began, and Donald Spanson would be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>men responsible for that work. But if London was a

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<v Speaker 1>place where established people like Donald could remake themselves into

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<v Speaker 1>something new, it wasn't that easy for everyone. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>even newcomers needed a shot at remaking London. The police

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<v Speaker 1>were called missionaries. They were bringing the gospel of British

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<v Speaker 1>middle class refinements to the undisciplined mass of London's poor.

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<v Speaker 1>At least that was the idea. If we think about

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<v Speaker 1>the legacy of violence and corruption that the early Bobbies

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<v Speaker 1>or the turf fraud scandal left behind, then that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of praise might sound contrived. But then there's the equally

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<v Speaker 1>ironic fact that when it came to London, missionaries, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous group called themselves an army and in

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<v Speaker 1>August of eight seventy eight, William and Catherine Booth summoned

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<v Speaker 1>them to a war congress in the East End to

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<v Speaker 1>plan his campaign. That's when they founded the Salvation Army

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<v Speaker 1>right there in Whitechapel. Here's Dr Drew Gray. If we're

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<v Speaker 1>sending missionaries out to Africa, you know, we're sending the

0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.840
<v Speaker 1>likes of Stanley and Livingstone. There's kind of explorers come

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<v Speaker 1>missionaries to bring the word of It's not just the

0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.359
<v Speaker 1>word of God, is it. It's the word of white

0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:22.520
<v Speaker 1>civilization two so called uncivilized African tribes in that terribly

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<v Speaker 1>imperialistic way that was such a feature of the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're going to do that in Africa, then

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<v Speaker 1>surely you need missionaries to go out to White Chapel

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<v Speaker 1>and Spittlefields, and then down below the river south of

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<v Speaker 1>the River into the Borough and Southolk Burman's in places

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<v Speaker 1>that way. Similarly, it looks like the world has been neglected.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like Christ is not permeating into those parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the empire. Like the detectives at the New c I. D.

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<v Speaker 1>William and Catherine Booth had ten years to transform the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood before it's the darkest chapter would begin. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no way for him to know that at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. But if you told William Booth that a

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<v Speaker 1>remorseless killer would soon be carrying out his brutal plan

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<v Speaker 1>in Whitechapel, William wouldn't have been surprised. In fact, he

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<v Speaker 1>did know London well. He arrived in the city in

0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.240
<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty nine, and together William and Catherine had been

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<v Speaker 1>preaching hell, fire and damnation in East London since eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five, when they founded the East London Christian Mission.

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<v Speaker 1>When they rebranded their work as the Salvation Army in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy eight. There were ways that they reinforced middle

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<v Speaker 1>class values. They wanted the London poor to look a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more like the sober and orderly families of those

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<v Speaker 1>with money. But they also knew what it took to

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<v Speaker 1>reach East London with their message, and that meant they

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes offended the middle class notions of what was proper

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<v Speaker 1>and respectable. First of all, there were the Hallelujah lasses

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<v Speaker 1>that was the nickname for Salvation Army women, and starting

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<v Speaker 1>with Catherine Booth, they were out there preaching right alongside

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<v Speaker 1>the men. Then there was the music, the thing for

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<v Speaker 1>which the Salvation Army would become best known in the

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<v Speaker 1>East End. They were singing religious songs, for sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>those songs were set to the tunes of the popular

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<v Speaker 1>music that match women out on the town would have

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<v Speaker 1>heard in London's music halls. Even the advertisements for their

0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 1>gatherings borrowed designs from circus posters and newspaper advertisements, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were posted up in places like pubs, music halls

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<v Speaker 1>and coffee shops, anywhere that dock workers, costermongers and bookies

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<v Speaker 1>taking bets would likely see them. So by the eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighties the Salvation Army had something of a bad reputation

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<v Speaker 1>among wealthy Christians, who thought that Christianity was only true

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<v Speaker 1>if it was suitably reverent and refined. But they took

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<v Speaker 1>criticism from other directions too. Years more from Dr Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Gray and then they were former Methodists, and they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to bring religion and abstinence from alcohol to the people

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<v Speaker 1>of the East End. They operated by holding large public

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<v Speaker 1>meetings and organizing marches true communities. These marches are accompanied

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<v Speaker 1>by brass bands made up of members. There's a military

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<v Speaker 1>system of organizations, so General Booth is at the head,

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<v Speaker 1>and they have soldiers, and of course they distribute their

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<v Speaker 1>weekly newspaper, the War Cry, on the streets and by

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<v Speaker 1>going into public houses. And they brought their kind of

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<v Speaker 1>brand of religious further into communities like Whitechapel, which often

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<v Speaker 1>drew down quite a lot of abuse and ridicule from

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<v Speaker 1>the locals, and they might not have listened to the

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<v Speaker 1>rhetoric that they were putting out their Christian vision. And

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<v Speaker 1>you quite often find Salvationists being brought before magistrates by

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<v Speaker 1>the police for causing a nistance, not causing an obstruction.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're clearly people who were driven by a very

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<v Speaker 1>strong religious beliefs to affect change in the communities they

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<v Speaker 1>see that are so blighted by alcohol and poverty, crime

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<v Speaker 1>and homelessness. So the Salvation Army had a complicated relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with their Eastern neighbors. There's no question they were motivated

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<v Speaker 1>to help with the misery and suff weren of desperate people,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can easily share the compassion that reformers felt

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<v Speaker 1>for people whose homes had been smashed to make way

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<v Speaker 1>for London's new buildings, or who had come in from

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<v Speaker 1>the countryside looking for jobs only to find that many

0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 1>of the city's businesses just wanted to chew them up

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<v Speaker 1>and spit them out for the benefit of London Banks,

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<v Speaker 1>And as we explored in the last episode, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of confusion about the difference between a working

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<v Speaker 1>woman and a working woman and whatever they were actually

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<v Speaker 1>preaching in their sermons. The message that came through from

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<v Speaker 1>the Salvation Army was that the way to raise yourself

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<v Speaker 1>out of poverty was to first transform your inner life,

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<v Speaker 1>to remake yourself. But if part of what a woman

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<v Speaker 1>in the East End was supposed to do was stopped working,

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<v Speaker 1>how could they have any life to speak of? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Some East End women, like the matchwoman Mary Driscoll, had

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<v Speaker 1>what you might call an interesting relationship with anti vice

0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.680
<v Speaker 1>campaigners like the Salvation Army. Even if she didn't love

0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.399
<v Speaker 1>working for Bryant and May in their match factory, that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't mean she would fully embrace the message of the

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<v Speaker 1>angelists in her neighborhood who were telling her to quit

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<v Speaker 1>working for a living, let alone, to abandon her Catholic faith.

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<v Speaker 1>Like many of the match women, Mary Driscoll was an

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<v Speaker 1>Irish Catholic, but that didn't mean she rejected everything about

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<v Speaker 1>their ministry. In East London. Here's Dr Louise ra There

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<v Speaker 1>were no flies on marriage. She was a very clever

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<v Speaker 1>woman and like all Eastern moms, she did whatever she

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<v Speaker 1>had to do to survive. And the Salvation Army, the

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<v Speaker 1>Sally Anne was some of the people that would do

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<v Speaker 1>good work amongst the poor and crucially ran soup kitchens

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<v Speaker 1>and would give out soup and give out free food

0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.720
<v Speaker 1>and mary. But only if you were, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>good Protestant. They were not in the business of giving

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<v Speaker 1>it out to Jewish people of Catholic people. So Mary

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<v Speaker 1>trained all her children to sing Salvation Army hymns and

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<v Speaker 1>they would go along to these soup kitchens sing these hymns,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, passionately pretend to be religious. A Salvation Army

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<v Speaker 1>would be terribly impressed and they would get their free shoop,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt. Some mothers across the East End who were

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<v Speaker 1>making do with low wage work were grateful for some

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.720
<v Speaker 1>help feeding their children, even if they didn't appreciate being

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.400
<v Speaker 1>thought of as sinful prostitutes just for working outside their home.

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<v Speaker 1>But what about the women who were sex workers. Some

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 1>of them did follow the Salvation Army's call and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to change their lives the way the new Evangelistic movement taught.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were others who made new lives for themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>not by abandoning sex work, but by using it as

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<v Speaker 1>a tool to better themselves to climb the social letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Tanner left us a few traces of her life.

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<v Speaker 1>They come to us mostly because she was an acquaintance

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<v Speaker 1>of the writer Arthur Munby. He tells us that when

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<v Speaker 1>he first met Sarah in the eighteen fifties, she was

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<v Speaker 1>a maid working for an Oxford shopkeeper. When he met

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<v Speaker 1>her a couple of years later, her situation was entirely different.

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<v Speaker 1>She was on the street in what he called gorgeous apparel.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, she was doing business along Regent Street as

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<v Speaker 1>a sex worker. When he asked her why, she said

0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>she had chosen it herself. She enjoyed it, and she

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 1>told him she found it profitable. A few years later

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>he ran into her again. His first impression was of

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<v Speaker 1>how truly well she seemed, hail and hardy. When they

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<v Speaker 1>fell into conversation, she told him she had raised enough

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<v Speaker 1>money to employ tutors who were teaching her writing and

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<v Speaker 1>the other accomplishments of her day. In fact, to his

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:32.040
<v Speaker 1>surprise he found her and I quote respectable. To his

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<v Speaker 1>even greater surprise, he found she had saved enough money

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<v Speaker 1>after three years of sex work to open a new business,

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<v Speaker 1>her own coffee shop. When he visited the shop, he

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<v Speaker 1>asked a local policeman about its reputation. Respectable was again

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<v Speaker 1>the answer, and Sarah Tanner it wasn't the only one

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<v Speaker 1>to follow that path. Take Elizabeth Gustuf's daughter. She was

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<v Speaker 1>born in Sweden. As you might have guessed by her name,

0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 1>her father, Gustuff, was a farmer. Elizabeth was the second

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<v Speaker 1>of fortu Dren and her family was devoutly religious. The

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<v Speaker 1>parish records from her village north of the port of

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<v Speaker 1>Gothenburg showed that she was taught in the church there

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<v Speaker 1>until she was sixteen, that's when she was confirmed, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the records of her move to the city on

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<v Speaker 1>the coast, notes say that she was well behaved, but

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<v Speaker 1>even said that she was well versed in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 1>For a few years, we know that she worked in

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<v Speaker 1>the city as a maid for the Olifson family. Maybe

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 1>that would have sustained an intelligent country girl, but a

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<v Speaker 1>series of tragedies struck. First, her mother died then the

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<v Speaker 1>next month she found out she was pregnant. Six months

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<v Speaker 1>after that, she was in the hospital being treated for

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<v Speaker 1>an incurable venereal disease, and within two weeks she lost

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<v Speaker 1>the baby. By the end of the year, she was

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<v Speaker 1>registered with the police as a sex worker and fighting

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<v Speaker 1>to survive life with syphilis. But Elizabeth did survive. She

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<v Speaker 1>picked herself up, found work as a maid once again,

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<v Speaker 1>and was discharged from the government roles of sex workers.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems that she was a fighter. It took almost

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<v Speaker 1>three years, but eventually Elizabeth inherited some money from her

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>mother's estate, and she used that money to buy passage

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<v Speaker 1>to London. In her new home, she remade herself yet again.

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<v Speaker 1>She even took on a new name and came to

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<v Speaker 1>be known as Liz Stride. Here's historian Paul Beg this

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<v Speaker 1>Stride was registered as a prostitute in Sweden, but how

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<v Speaker 1>and why isn't certainly known. She managed to gain some

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<v Speaker 1>decent employment in Sweden and she was taken off the

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<v Speaker 1>prostitute's register, and then a small inheritance enabled her to

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<v Speaker 1>emigrate to London. She worked here and then married and

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<v Speaker 1>even ran a small coffee shop with her husband. Like

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<v Speaker 1>Liz Stride, coffee itself was born elsewhere, but made itself

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<v Speaker 1>at home in London. In fact, it came into British

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<v Speaker 1>society from even farther afield, borrowed from Turkish culture when

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<v Speaker 1>the English and Ottoman empires were trading more than blows coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>and the coffee houses were a London fashion for a century.

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<v Speaker 1>In sixteen fifty, the very first British coffee house was

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<v Speaker 1>opened by a Jewish businessman in Oxford. Soon enough, the

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<v Speaker 1>city's coffee houses were filled with scholars as well as

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<v Speaker 1>their books and their conversation. In fact, across the seventeen hundreds,

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>they were the haunts of high society. Early London coffee

0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.919
<v Speaker 1>houses where places where news was read and discussed. They

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 1>even garnered the nickname penny universities because a patron could

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<v Speaker 1>pay a penny at the door and step into a

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>world of culture and conversation. Coffee was served alongside other

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:38.200
<v Speaker 1>exotic beverages like tea and drinking chocolates, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>full of smoke from another new leaf tobacco, all gathered

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<v Speaker 1>from the reaches of the Empire. Tea had overtaken coffee

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<v Speaker 1>as the drink of polite society by the eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was still enough buzz around the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a coffee house for it to mean something when Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Tanner opened the doors of her own. But while Tanner's

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<v Speaker 1>respectability as the owner of a business is the last

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<v Speaker 1>thing our ther Munby writes about her, Elizabeth story goes on,

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<v Speaker 1>and it takes a darker, more tragic turn, because, like

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<v Speaker 1>any Chapman, Liz Stride drank heavily. It seems that for

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<v Speaker 1>a while she was still able to run the business

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 1>with her husband. They even moved their coffee shop to

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<v Speaker 1>Poplar High Street for a while, but by one her

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.479
<v Speaker 1>marriage had collapsed. In December of that year she was

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<v Speaker 1>in the White Chapel Workhouse infirmary, and it seems that

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of her life after that she was

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<v Speaker 1>scratching out a living in the East End. Here's Paul

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<v Speaker 1>beg once again. She took to pleading, apparently meaning mainly

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>for the Jews, and it was said that she could

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<v Speaker 1>speak Yiddish. But her life spiraled downward. Her drinking landed

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 1>her in court on charges of being drunken, disorderly and

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 1>using obscene language on several occasions. A fellow Loggio, where

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>she stayed from time to time, told a journalist you

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<v Speaker 1>said when she should when she could get no work,

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 1>she had to do the best she could for a living,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was in relation to being a prostitute. But

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<v Speaker 1>he was defending the said that she was a nice

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and clean old woman you couldn't wish to meet, like

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Annie Chapman. Liz also met a man who would be

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<v Speaker 1>her partner in Whitechapel life, but their partnership was a

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<v Speaker 1>troubled one. By all accounts, the man she lived with

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<v Speaker 1>was violent. In seven she lodged a complaint against him

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>with a local magistrate, and she continued drinking. There were

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<v Speaker 1>times when she would leave her partner for weeks on end,

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<v Speaker 1>and honestly, who could blame her. On the night after

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<v Speaker 1>Martha Tabron was murdered, Elizabeth Stride was in court. She

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>had been dragged in for a drunkenness and for using

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<v Speaker 1>obscene language. She was told that she would be locked

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<v Speaker 1>up for five days or she could pay a five

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>shilling fine. At the time, Liz Stride had the money,

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<v Speaker 1>so she paid the fine and walked away. And it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the first time she had been fined two shillings

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<v Speaker 1>and sixpence on Valentine's Day year before, when she was

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<v Speaker 1>arrested on the same charges. By now, though, I'm sure

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>you know where Liz Stride story goes, because in the

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>early morning hours of September, Liz Stride found herself doing

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>something few people had the courage to do that autumn,

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>walking alone through the dark of Whitechapel. It was almost

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<v Speaker 1>one in the morning. Israel Schwartz was walking on Berner Street.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just one turn away from his home on

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<v Speaker 1>Ellen Street. One might say that he lived just around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner, but Israel might not have felt like he

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<v Speaker 1>was close to home as he walked along the street

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<v Speaker 1>that night. You see, like so many other East Enders,

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<v Speaker 1>Israel was new to England, so knew in fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't even speak English. That didn't mean he was

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<v Speaker 1>alone though, after all, he was Jewish and he lived

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 1>in Whitechapel. Here's Paul Beg to give us some context

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<v Speaker 1>about that. The Eastern Jewish community was largely consisted of

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Eastern immigrants fleeing persecution in Eastern Europe. They formed tight

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 1>knit communities, often built around people who had come across

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<v Speaker 1>from the same village, so whole streets could be taken

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<v Speaker 1>over by people who fled from the same village abroad

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<v Speaker 1>in Eastern Europe, and they had their own little places

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<v Speaker 1>of worship, and of course they were looking for kosher food.

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<v Speaker 1>They would only be eating food provided in the main

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 1>by their own community. That made for a lively neighborhood

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>like the one around Berner Street, a sense of home

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>away from home. But of course, as we know, there

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>were real resentments that simmered in London against men like

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Israel Schwartz. Some of them had long histories, to others

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.719
<v Speaker 1>were more about the neighborhood itself and how it was changing.

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Immigrants coming from Eastern Europe were content to take a

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<v Speaker 1>room with the whole family living in a room, and

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<v Speaker 1>so these properties, many of these properties could be let

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<v Speaker 1>to lots of people instead of one person. So the

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<v Speaker 1>single tenants were finding it very hard to find somewhere

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>to live. And so there's a lot of ill feeling

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:14.200
<v Speaker 1>about these people, which basically boils down to the difficulty

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 1>that we have in being able to distinguish between hostility

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:22.959
<v Speaker 1>towards people because they were Jewish or just because there

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 1>were foreigners. So yes, even though he was close to home.

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>There were reasons that Israel may have tightened his color

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and kept his eyes down as he walked. There were

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>reasons he may have felt uncomfortable in the darkness of

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>his own street. But Israel didn't know just how bad

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>life in the neighborhood was going to get, because that night,

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<v Speaker 1>Burner Street is where he saw someone die. You see,

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 1>he turned onto Burner Street from the larger thoroughfare commercial Road,

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<v Speaker 1>and he saw that he wasn't alone. Ahead of him,

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<v Speaker 1>he saw a man stop and speak with a woman

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<v Speaker 1>who was standing in a gateway. The pair was standing

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<v Speaker 1>in the walkway that opened into the core called Dutfield's Yard.

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<v Speaker 1>But what he saw wasn't just polite conversation, even at

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<v Speaker 1>such a late hour, and it began when he saw

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 1>the man grab her and try to pull her into

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the street. It seems like maybe she resisted, she was

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>going to be pulled away from where she stood, but

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 1>that didn't stop the violence. Israel saw the man spin

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>her around and throw her down the footway, and he

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>heard her give a low scream, and then another, and

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<v Speaker 1>then a third. In the darkness of that early hour,

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Israel Schwartz avoided the scuffle by crossing over to the

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>other side of the street to pass by, but he

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>realized he was walking right toward another man, one who

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<v Speaker 1>was standing still and lighting a pipe. That's when a

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>call rang out from the darkness of the Dutfield Yard

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>gateway across the street. The voice shouted Lipsky. It was

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 1>a name that Israel knew. Even though he couldn't speak English,

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>he would no doubt have been familiar with the racial

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:59.479
<v Speaker 1>slurs being thrown against Jews in East London. If Israel

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<v Speaker 1>already didn't want to get involved in any of it, well,

0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>now he was sure he had to leave and quickly.

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>So he walked on. But as he did, he heard

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 1>footsteps behind him. In fact, the second man, the one

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 1>with the pipe, it started to follow Israel down the road,

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>so he took off running. He didn't stop until he

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>had passed under a railway arch. When he turned around,

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:24.240
<v Speaker 1>his pursuer had vanished. It had barely taken any time

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>at all, a few quick looks, a few screams, a

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>short chase down a darkened street. But we can imagine

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 1>that those few moments would stay with Israel for the

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>rest of his life, because if his account is true,

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:40.959
<v Speaker 1>then he saw the attack that killed Liz Stride. That question, though,

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 1>of whether Israel Schwartz gave a true account, is a

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>tricky one. What we do have is the story as

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>he told it, the story as it's written down and

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 1>entered into the police record, written down, of course, by

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Chief Inspector Donald Swanson, and it would make Israel Schwartz

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<v Speaker 1>the most significant witness in the White chap murders because

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>he had done something no one else had managed to

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>do so far. He had laid eyes on the killer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for this week's episode of Unobscured. Stick around

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<v Speaker 1>after this short sponsor break for a preview of what's

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 1>in store for next week. When Martha Tabram had been

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<v Speaker 1>killed in George Yard, nothing was found in the neighborhood

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.280
<v Speaker 1>around her that would help the police identify the killer.

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>When Polly Nichols was killed on Buck's Row, the sweep

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 1>led to the discovery of her identity, but nothing else.

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 1>And when Annie Chapman was killed behind twenty nine Hanbury Street,

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the discovery of the leather apron in the yard beside

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 1>her gave fodder for racist speculation, but little more. And

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>even as Catherine Etto's body was found in Miter Square.

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<v Speaker 1>Police were still searching for clues around Dutfield Yard, where

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Liz Stride had been killed just an hour before. They

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<v Speaker 1>also found nothing to put them on the trail of

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>the murder. Things would be different in the case of

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Katherine ETOs, though, because when police fanned out from the

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 1>place where her body lay, some of them went back

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>toward Whitechappel. Previous searches around the body of the victims

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<v Speaker 1>had come up empty handed. This time what they found

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