WEBVTT - The Truman Show with Brandie Posey 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.560 On the Bechdelcast, the questions ask if movies have women 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.960 and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.400 or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn bast 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.960 start changing with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.600 Good morning, Jamie, and in case I don't see you, 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:20.960 good afternoon, good evening, and good night. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.040 And Caitlin. While I have you here, might I suggest 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.680 some delicious dunkin Donuts coffee to go with your podcasting. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.200 Dunkin Donuts. It really isn't that bad. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:35.840 Who are you talking to, Jamie? 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.440 It's just me here? What what? 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:40.840 Wow? Incredible intro Wow? 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.120 I think honestly, you know what? That was the usually 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:49.360 just one of us wakes up today today we're both here, Ernie, 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:53.080 all right, Welcome to the Bexel Cast, the podcast where 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:54.880 we take a look at your favorite movies using an 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.120 intersectional feminist lens, as well as the Bechdel Test for 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.920 jumping off point for discussion. My name, Jamie Loftis. 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.200 My name is Caitlin Dorante. The Bechdel Test, of course, 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.200 being a media metric created by our dear friend, Alison Bechdel, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.720 friend of the show, best friend in real life, of course, 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.600 first appearing in her comic collection Dicks to Watch Out For, 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.400 has since been kind of mainstreamified into a media metric. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.800 There are many different versions. The one that we use 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.600 is do two characters of a marginalized gender have names? 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.080 Do they speak to each other? And is their conversation 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.280 about something other than a man? And ideally it's like 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.600 a narratively impactful conversation and not just throw away dialogue. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.800 Yeah, but what if you live in a simulation? Oh, 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:44.080 this is boo, which brings us to today's movie. Another 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.720 one in our as we approach our ten uere anniversary, 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.680 a movie that you would think we would have covered 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.440 by now, but it just never the piece has never 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:57.320 quite came together until now exactly. And today we are 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:02.360 talking about nineteen ninety eights, The Truman Show, Ye, not 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.720 the True Woman Show. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.279 The True Man Show. 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.480 Yeah, and fucked up. It kind of makes you think, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.280 and we'll get we'll get into it. We have an 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.720 incredible returning guest. Let's get her in here. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.880 We sure do. She's a comedian. She's got a new 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:25.080 comedy special out called Milk Job on burn This Records, 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.400 which you can watch on YouTube and which you should 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.720 watch and you remember her from our episode on five 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:32.800 Hundred Days of Summer. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.400 It's Brandy Posey. Welcome back. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.760 Hello, Hello, thank you for having me. This is one 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.200 of my favorite movies of all time. So I rememberly 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:43.280 when I saw you guys hadn't done it yet. I 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.919 was like, ooh ooh ooh, please please please. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:48.240 And here you are. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:48.880 Yay. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.600 I'm so glad this is This has been a show 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.240 that a movie we've almost covered several times and just 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.440 for some reason, it just hasn't happened. So I'm so 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:57.160 glad that you're here. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:58.000 Yeah. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.920 Yeah, what is your what is your history with the 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:01.800 True Man Show? 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:06.440 Okay, So I am a and I am now an adult. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.720 So this has waned a little bit obviously because of 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.440 things over time. But I am a massive Jim Carrey 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:15.239 fan from way back. A's Venture Too was a religious 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.400 awakening for me and comedy in the theaters as a child. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.799 I have not missed the opening day of a Jim 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:22.720 Carrey movie since af Sventurre. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.440 Two, even number twenty three. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.040 Yes, I saw that at the Grove on opening day 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.200 with about five other people, and that includes mister Popper's Penguin. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.760 You're a real hell, every single Sonic. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.800 Every single Sonic. I was on vacation for Sonic two 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.000 and I said, sorry, I'm gonna need about three hours 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.840 to go see Sonic two because the tradition lives on. 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:45.880 That's reallyful. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.840 Yeah, it's just a fun thing I've always done because 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.000 it's like I was really just really drawn. I love 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:54.600 I love I love him. His nineties run is like 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.680 pretty unfuck with heable, you know what I mean. It's 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.960 you can't touch it. And if you were like a 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:05.040 drawn to comedy but also kind of shy person, I 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.880 think that his just like larger than life persona was 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.480 this like you can be that. Like, yeah, I'd consider 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.520 him like one of my biggest It's funny because my 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:16.960 stand up is nothing like him, but he's like one 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.080 of my biggest comedy influences of all time. And I 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.719 the one person I think that him and Patrick Stewart, 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.239 I think if I met them, I would cry on site. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.680 So don't ever want to do that. 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.120 Never meet your heroes, I mean hero But also like 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.000 he has some weird stuff in his personal life as a. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.440 Human, so as we all do. Yeah, so you know 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.880 that's separate. But young Brandy, he meant the world to 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.960 me basically, yeah. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.520 Wow, yeah, so you saw this. This came out after 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.320 a spener or two. So you saw this in theaters? 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:49.800 Oh yeah. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.720 June fourth, nineteen ninety eight was also the last day 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.400 that my friend Lindsay lived in Maryland because she was 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.000 like a navy brat and then she was moving. And 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.000 the very last thing we did before she moved to Colorado, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.880 oh was go see and Truman shaw An opening day. Wow. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:05.880 Oh that's what a nice memory. 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.960 Yeah, Jamie, what about you? What's your relationship with this movie? 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.400 I somehow had never seen this movie, in spite of 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:18.080 the fact that it's definitely like on description, like this 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:19.920 is a movie I would love, and it is a 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.159 movie I love. Spoiler alert. I really wish I had 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:24.839 seen this when I was in high school. Would blow 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.200 my mind, because it blew my mind and I'm in 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.919 my thirties. So we've talked about this recently on the 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.760 show and kind of anytime Jim Carrey growth I was 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.279 not allowed to watch Jim Carrey movies for the most 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.040 part when I was growing up because my mom found 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.680 him annoying. So Jim Carrey and Adam Sandler movies, I 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.120 still like, have not really seen most of their nineties 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.440 classics because my mom found them annoying and unfortunately it's 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:56.320 a hereditary trait. So I've seen more. I think I've 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.440 seen more serious Jim Carrey movies than for some reason, Grinch. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.720 We made an exception for Grinch. I don't know why 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.320 we showed up for Grinch hard. We still do, sure, 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.520 But yeah, I don't have a strong attachment to him 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:15.440 his his nineties work. But I did see Eternal Sunshine 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:19.920 in middle school and you know, was pissing shitting for 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.880 the next twenty years about it. Yeah, I mean he's 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:27.359 he is. Yes, has a lot of controversy that we 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.760 probably don't have the bandwidth to get into today, but 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.960 incredibly versatile actor and this I feel like this was 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.440 maybe his first step into more serious stuff and like 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.279 where he started to show that he had range. And yeah, 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:44.320 I definitely didn't know that Peter Weir had directed this, 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.240 and like he has a kind of ridiculous track record 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.880 of helping comedic actors make a dramatic turn because he 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.600 did Robin Williams Dead Poets. I just I really, I mean, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.560 this movie is incredible. I feel like it does something 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.719 I'm trying to think of a similar movie to this, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.760 and that it's like, this is an idea everybody has had, 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.479 or at least an intrusive thought everyone's had, and it's 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:11.920 executed perfectly, and like, how many times has that happen? 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:16.840 It's pretty incredible and I'm excited to talk about it. Yeah. Also, 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.880 Laura Lennie is so good in this. If only if 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.000 only she been allowed to have a conclusion to her arc. 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.040 We'll get there, We'll get there. Yeah. But I yeah, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.600 this movie is amazing. First time, Kitly, what about you? 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:35.080 I would count this among my favorite movies. I saw 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.400 it around the time that it came out, I don't 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.200 think in theaters, but probably within a couple of years 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.680 of it being out. I eventually bought it on DVD, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.720 which I still own, thank you very much. I've seen it, 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.920 you know a few dozen times. I would say I 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.720 love a movie where characters are in a like things 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.920 aren't what they seem kind of world and that they 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.240 have to like figure out the truth of what's going 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:00.920 on around them. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.440 So very late nineties, because it's like we get the 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.160 Matrix the next year. There's a lot of simulation. Culture 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.560 is so hot. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.680 Right now and then this movie. I would also pair 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.320 it with Pleasantville as like if you wanted to do 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.400 like a double feature. I feel like these two movies 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.560 pair together really well. But then you've got your other 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.800 like things aren't what they see movies such as like 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:30.240 Vanilla Sky, they live total recall Stepford Wives. You know, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.520 the list goes on, but I love that as a 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:38.960 narrative thrust, if you will. So I've always loved this movie. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:43.199 I hadn't seen it in quite a few years before 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.920 rewatching it for prepping for this episode. But yeah, it 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.600 was a joy. I was worried, like, oh no, what 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.000 if it doesn't hold up as well or you know, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:56.040 But honestly, I don't have that many complaints. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.240 I think it gets more prescient with age. Honestly, I 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.640 know it's really shaped a lot of my view of 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.000 the world and how to like question things and kind 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.160 of just like be looking for it really like is 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.640 like a really seminal movie in the DNA of a young. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.480 Yeah, well, it's like there's been so much written about 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.720 how this movie came out before Survivor and like before 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:23.520 most contemporary reality TV and like surveillance culture of self 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.280 surveillance culture. It's just like it's it's like ahead of 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.680 its time by only a couple of years, which is 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:30.640 pretty wild. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.240 But it had such an impact on me that to 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.640 this day I would say, at least once a month, 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:40.479 I'm like, oh god, I'm probably in the Truman Show. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:46.760 I better not jerk off in case anyone's watching. So 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:48.400 it really really affected me. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.000 Luckily, Truman only does funny bits in the bathroom. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.840 He never jacks out, he's ever taking an explosive shit. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:00.200 This deeply lonely thirty five year old man does not 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.720 jack off, eva, absolutely not. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.880 No, he just makes weird collages. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.160 So why don't we take a quick break and then 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:24.080 we'll come back for the recap and we're back. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.760 Oh, Ed Harris in a in a beret. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.360 Oh my gosh. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.079 I didn't know well, I didn't know any to go 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.400 out this except the premise. But he replaced what's his name, 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:39.280 mister Scarry Dennis Hopper. Yeah, Dennis Hopper shot for one 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.040 day on The Truman Show and they were like, get 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.360 him out of here. And Ed Harris had like twenty 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.400 seconds to prepare for this role, and just like Abs 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.880 Destroys knocked it out. Of the part. I'm pretty sure 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.319 he got nominated for an Oscar for this. I think 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.360 he did. Yeah, yeah, after twenty seconds of preper he's 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.160 he's amazing, man. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.000 Yeah, I mean the Christoph character. I mean we can 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.440 get into later obviously, but the Christoph character is like, so, 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.920 how many of those people have we encountered that are. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:14.800 Just like Holl'm making art by exploiting others? 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.280 Also that true? Okay, and then I promise we could 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.600 start talking. But that Truman's House is owned by Matt 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.800 Gates's family. That's another disturbing fact I learned, Oh I 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:29.440 have We just have to live with that for some reason. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:34.240 Yeah, I have a whole tangent about master planned communities 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:34.840 that all. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.280 Get into Oh yeah, when you know about master planned communities. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.400 Of course, that's the way that Matt Gates grew up. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.400 And also his last name is literally Gates. But just 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.640 Truman's House is where Pat Gates grew up. We hate 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:49.680 to say it, but it's true. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:55.680 Yeah, yes, anyway, here's the recap of the Truman Show. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:01.199 We open on the Ed Harris character Christoph. He is 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.920 talking about Truman Burbank, who is the star of the 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.840 Truman Show. A television program in which Truman's entire life 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:16.080 is recorded and broadcast twenty four to seven. Except Truman 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.600 has no idea about this. He doesn't know that he 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.960 is the subject of this show. He doesn't know that 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.640 he's being filmed by hidden cameras all over his community. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.280 He doesn't know that everyone around him is an actor, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.199 including his best friend and his wife. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:33.600 He doesn't know that the. 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.200 Town that he lives in, Sea Haven is a set, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:42.839 and that his whole life is a lie, fabricated for 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.880 the sake of this show, which Christophe is the like 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.079 creator slash executive producer of. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.080 It's a really quick one off line that could be 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.080 its own movie entirely. But I was like, what, Like 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.880 Grant and I both stopped and were like, what the fuck? 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.760 That hope is imprescient of something that is going to happen, 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.760 but where they're like, Truman Burbank is the first baby 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.400 to be adopted by a corporation, and the way that 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.320 they say the first, as if to imply although, of 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.640 course now that is completely normal, like it's so oh. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.800 I was like, oh, so so scary is such a 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:19.439 good detail? 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:24.720 Yes, indeed, so this is going on with the Truman 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:29.240 Show for nearly thirty years, ever since Truman was born. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.079 So then we meet Truman Burbank played by Jim Carrey. 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.680 He's a very cheery guy, but he also seems to 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:42.280 be longing for something or someone. He's searching for a woman. 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.080 Much more than this professional life. 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.880 Yes, yes, he's searching for a woman named either Lauren 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.400 or maybe Sylvia. We'll find out more about that. He 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.959 feels very restless where he is. He yearns to leave 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:02.280 and go somewhere like Fiji, but he is intensely afraid 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.000 of boats and crossing bodies of water, so he feels 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.439 stuck on this small island where Sea Haven is. At 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.079 some point we get a flashback from when Truman was 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.040 a child where he and his dad went out on 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.359 a boat during a storm and his father fell overboard 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.800 and drowned. And that's why Truman is so petrified of water. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.680 And when you know this is fake, because you find 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.560 out in the framing device at the beginning that everything 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.760 is fake. Yeah, I feel that sequence of Truman's dad 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.200 drowning reminds me so much of the Arrested development cutaways, 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:35.000 so like and. 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.160 That's why you always leave. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.480 A note so goofy looking. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:41.400 Duh. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.080 And that's why you never go out on a boat 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:46.120 in a storm. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.840 Right, a tiny dinghy with your child in the middle 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.440 of a storm. Oh man. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.680 And that scene is wild because then it's also the 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.080 dad floats away and then a guy in a scuba 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.520 suit comes up and just gives them like a little oxygen, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.800 and he's that he had to just betray his adopted son. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:05.720 It's so dark. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.520 The Yeah, I interpreted it that he was mad that 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.920 his character got killed off and he's out of work. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:12.640 Yeah, well probably not soo. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.840 There's there's a lot of like interesting stuff with the 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.240 like how do the actors feel about that? I don't know. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:23.160 I would watch a whole separate movie about the actors. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.240 And we meet some of these actors, such as the 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.920 person who plays his wife Meryl. Although that's her character's name, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.000 I forget what like. He name's Hannah Hannah McGill, I 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.680 think played by Laura Lenny. So it's an actor playing 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.160 an actor playing a character. 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.040 And she's so good in this that I did not 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:48.800 like Laura Lenni for probably fifteen years because of how 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.760 much I hated the character of Meryl. She disturbed me 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.360 to my core in this movie. 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:54.320 She's spooky. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:56.720 Yeah, like that you could make that you could live 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.960 a life, a complete fake life with somebody that you 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.760 said you love like that, Like really, as a eighth 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.800 grade Brandy really was like, I can't that's a possibility. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:07.160 It can't even allow to be real. 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.880 It's so scary. Yeah, yeah, she's she's incredible. There's a 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.400 lot of we can talk about it in a bit, 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.960 but there was like some I when I was doing 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.360 some research, like the actors were given a lot of 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.920 freedom to write their own backstories, and Laura Lenny came 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:27.040 up with the like some really scary shit an that 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.080 like you wouldn't know because I think she's not in 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.280 the movie enough, but like she really cooked. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.400 Yeah, I need to read more about that. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:37.960 Yeah, that's really cool. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.560 So we meet Meryl. We also meet the actor who 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:48.440 plays Truman's best friend and then his character, Marlin, played 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:52.920 by Noah Emmerick, and the two of them, Meryll and 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:58.400 Marlin are always plugging products like kitchen utensils or ice 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:03.280 cold Bruce Ki's because they have to advertise things within 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:08.240 the show. And this happens at Truman and he's always 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:14.600 like okay, and then Truman starts to notice other strange things, 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.399 such as what appears to be a large movie set 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.040 light falls from the sky right next to him. It 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.920 starts pouring rain on him, but only a tiny little section. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:30.040 At first, he sees an unhoused man who he thinks 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.840 is his father on the street, but then this man 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.440 is promptly grabbed away and put onto a bus, And 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:41.760 so Truman talks to his mom played by Holland Taylor. 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.480 Again his fake mom love her about all of this, 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:49.760 and she brushes it off because her role, his wife's role, 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.000 his best friend's role, is not only to advertise things 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:57.560 in the show, but also to gaslight Truman and maintain 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:03.840 this facade. Then we get more insight about the Lauren 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:08.160 slash Sylvia person and we flash back to when Truman 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.000 was I don't know if he's in high school or college, 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:17.719 but a woman named Lauren played by Natasha mcelhun catches 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.960 his eye, but clearly Christoph again, the guy who's the 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:26.280 brains behind the Truman show, cast Meryl to be Truman's 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.440 love interest, so there's this forced meet cute between Truman 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:35.399 and Meryl, and Lauren isn't supposed to be heavily involved 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.240 in Truman's life, but he keeps trying to pursue Lauren 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.439 and asks her out, and they sneak off to the beach, 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.760 where she tells him that everyone around him is pretending 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.520 everything is fake. It's a show that everyone is watching. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.359 Her name isn't Lauren, it's actually Sylvia. And then a 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.840 man pretending to be her father shows up, excuses her 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.440 behavior as mental illness, and then drags her away, saying 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.960 that they're moving to Fiji, which is why Truman is 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:09.440 so obsessed with going to Fiji. But every time Truman 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:14.960 talks about traveling or wanting to travel, various characters make 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:20.480 excuses they continue to gaslight him. Meanwhile, more strange things 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:24.679 are happening. Truman hears a radio broadcast in his car 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.560 that seems to be narrating his every move. 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.760 I had a I'm curious what you both think about this, 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.639 or maybe I just missed something. This does seem like 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.880 the kind of movie you have to watch like twenty 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.159 two times. I watched it twice, but I was like, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.040 maybe this is maybe real. Heads will know. What is 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.840 the reason do you think that things get so sloppy 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.440 around this point? Because it's so many things in a row, 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.359 and maybe it's just like a movie that feels like 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.320 a movie. But I was like, wow, they keep this 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.560 They keep this shit up for thirty years, and then 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.760 in a couple weeks, I'm like, who got fired? Like 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.040 just it's like, this show is a mess. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:03.280 I hired a bunch of scabs. 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:08.200 I think, yeah, verizing, I do like there there could 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:09.920 have been like a fun and it seems like there 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:11.560 was a lot about this. There's a lot of like 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.320 deep lore done around the Truman Show that doesn't necessarily 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:16.920 make it to the screen. But I'm like, I wonder 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.960 if there is a reason somewhere of like because there 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.040 could be a million external, interesting in world reasons why 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:24.960 all of a sudden things are getting sloppy. That could 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:26.680 be like a union thing. I don't know. I just 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:28.679 I was like, did I miss something? Did they explain 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.200 why all of a sudden the show is like kind 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:31.920 of a disaster. 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.320 They don't explain it. But I guess my head canon 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.440 is that probably a lot of little mishaps have been 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.560 going on this entire time. It's just that now Truman 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.280 is starting paying attention sure and connecting the dots that's 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:47.200 my Okay. 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:48.000 I guess got it. 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:48.960 Yeah, I think so too. 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.200 Yeah, so yeah, Truman, here's this radio broadcast that seems 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:56.480 to be about him. He almost accidentally walks into what 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:01.840 seems like a like backstage craft survey area that is 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:03.320 disguised as an elevator. 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.320 Well, and he does that because he breaks his routine. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.320 And I think that's probably part of it too, Jamie, 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.399 because then people are so used to him just doing 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:14.040 the routine that when he starts breaking it, I think 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.280 that's when the fuck ups start happening more and more too, 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.720 because they're like, whoa, we don't know what to do 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.480 with this guy that now is becoming uncontainable. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:25.000 He's going off script, yeah right, And so he's like, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.440 what the hell is going on? So he starts doing 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.200 some kind of like wacky stuff like running out into 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.359 the street and stopping traffic, basically seeing what he can 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.560 get away with, but no one seems to pay him 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:40.159 any mind, which is also weird. So he's like, Okay, 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:44.119 something's up, and he goes to Marlin to be like, Okay, 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.640 I think there's a conspiracy happening, but he thinks it's 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:50.199 about his dad, that maybe his dad is still alive. 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.720 Marlin of course gaslights him and says, oh, your cuckoo, 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:59.000