Speaker 1: Hi everybody. I'm Tamra Judge and I'm Dan Geesling. Welcome
Speaker 1: to our new podcast, Talking a Big Game. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to Talking a Big Game.
Speaker 2: We've come a long way Scotland.
Speaker 1: I know we have. Last time I saw you, well,
Speaker 1: I saw you at the reunion. Yeah, so you guys,
Speaker 1: Dan and I are starting a new podcast called Talking
Speaker 1: a Big Game. And there's no bigger gamer out there
Speaker 1: than Dan Geesling.
Speaker 2: You know what, Tamar, this has been such a unique
Speaker 2: opportunity when it's like, hey, you can pair us together
Speaker 2: because you bring such a unique dynamic to this. I'm
Speaker 2: just so excited to be here with you, and I
Speaker 2: can't wait to see when we broke, when we approach
Speaker 2: these reality TV winners and some of our favorite personalities.
Speaker 2: I'm just excited to see you go to work and
Speaker 2: do your thing.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a guest this week. It's Max from
Speaker 1: Danzy with the Stars, who was also on The Traders
Speaker 1: with us. So you guys, you want to know how
Speaker 1: this happened, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: So like, how does want the iconic Real Housewives of
Speaker 2: OC and Winner Big Brother?
Speaker 1: How iconic Winner a Big Brother?
Speaker 2: How do we end up on this couch together. It's
Speaker 2: like kind of a random It is totally random.
Speaker 1: I know you guys are thinking, what the hell is
Speaker 1: going on? Somebody has a loss of damn mine over
Speaker 1: there at iHeart. No, Actually, Dan and I did. He
Speaker 1: filled in as a co host when I was recapping Traders,
Speaker 1: and our dynamic was so good that iHeart was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I see an opportunity here.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to rewind it back a step two
Speaker 2: because I don't like sometimes I go off like feelings
Speaker 2: and just sometimes I get these weird premonitions. And we
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time together in Scotland off camera,
Speaker 2: and like we talked a lot, but I'm just like,
Speaker 2: at some point I just felt like we're going to
Speaker 2: do something together. And I really don't often feel that weird.
Speaker 1: And then you know, well, Dan and I really hit
Speaker 1: it off when we were in Traders. When you do Traders,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of downtime. So he would talk about
Speaker 1: his wife and his kids, and I would talk about
Speaker 1: Eddie and we would just just kind of god to
Speaker 1: shoot the ship. And I really thought, like, you know,
Speaker 1: Dan's my friend here. However, Dan, let me just tell
Speaker 1: you on my way to Scotland. Some of the cast
Speaker 1: was leaked and I was getting messages. I was being
Speaker 1: hit up on DM saying no this, do not trust
Speaker 1: that Dan.
Speaker 2: Who would say that, no one, no one really knows
Speaker 2: me from your circle.
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking just the general public, just just followers
Speaker 1: that I had, maybe a couple people in the press.
Speaker 1: Watch out for that.
Speaker 2: Dan. You'll have to tell me the names. When I'll
Speaker 2: tell you, because what I was told was going into this.
Speaker 2: My wife's like, if Tamer is there, you have to
Speaker 2: be friends with her. And I'm like, I knew who
Speaker 2: you were, but when I got to know you during
Speaker 2: the downtime, I'm like, you're not really from the OC.
Speaker 2: You could be from the Midwest. You just have like
Speaker 2: you're not the typical California. You just have like you're
Speaker 2: very warm, You're very direct, and I thought I found
Speaker 2: that so refreshing in such a unique environment.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: No, but I mean that like no, like you you
Speaker 2: embodied like I felt like we could instantly connect because
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like there was any there was no
Speaker 2: gray area with you. It's like black and white. I
Speaker 2: know where you're coming from and you're speaking your mind.
Speaker 1: You might call me a bit, wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that, but I could see maybe some
Speaker 2: other people would on other shows.
Speaker 1: Well, So Dan and I did Traders, got along great
Speaker 1: until the day that I got murdered.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it, Dan, because I don't know that
Speaker 1: we fully talked about this.
Speaker 2: I tried to reach out to you after the show
Speaker 2: and you go, I go, you ghost. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I guess Tamraa isn't from the Midwest. What the heck's
Speaker 2: going on? And then like maybe a month or two later,
Speaker 2: after the show's over, my phone start blew up twice
Speaker 2: from a California number. I'm like, I'm not answering this.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. And you were like
Speaker 2: about to go on stage. What happened?
Speaker 1: Yes, So we were doing a live show, Teddy and
Speaker 1: I in San Francisco and the show aired Traders the
Speaker 1: episode that I was murdered, and I thought for sure
Speaker 1: you were behind it.
Speaker 2: Why did you think I did it? Though?
Speaker 1: Because come on, Dan, you know why because the night
Speaker 1: before you and I were in the kitchen, which they
Speaker 1: never showed this, this is lost footage. We were in
Speaker 1: the kitchen and I was starting to feel better because
Speaker 1: I had been so sick. You were pretty quiet, and
Speaker 1: you were kind of getting a little and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of suspicion on you because you were quiet. I
Speaker 1: was quiet too, So I said, you know what, I
Speaker 1: know Dan is a trader. I know it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna just talk to him and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, why don't we team up together? And the
Speaker 1: next day I was murdered.
Speaker 2: Okay, but let me rewind it. So all that time
Speaker 2: we spent together get to know each other, and in
Speaker 2: all the downtime, you're like, oh, you never thought, oh,
Speaker 2: Dan wouldn't do that to me, because because people.
Speaker 1: Were dming me saying that's your that's.
Speaker 2: What you do. Well, I guess next time, trust your guy.
Speaker 2: You're like, Dan's a nice guy.
Speaker 1: Dan's nice.
Speaker 2: At one point, at one point, did you know, like, hey, okay,
Speaker 2: Dan was trying to reach out to me because he
Speaker 2: didn't go after me.
Speaker 1: Why didn't you? Did you? Maybe they didn't show up,
Speaker 1: but did you say to Faed' like no, let's not
Speaker 1: let's not murder Tamra.
Speaker 2: At that point, it was like there was chaos, right,
Speaker 2: So I'm like I they're going to kill each other,
Speaker 2: They're going at each other. I'm like, I was kind
Speaker 2: of stunned, to be honest, because the people in our
Speaker 2: car were the people I wanted to protect, and I
Speaker 2: did a horrible job doing that. You know, you eckon
Speaker 2: to and you got yourself in a little bit. But anyways,
Speaker 2: so so you found out, so you're watching the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, watching the show, And my assistant was with me
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh my god, I just saw it
Speaker 1: on social media. It wasn't Dan, it was Phedra. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that pisses me off even more, thank you,
Speaker 1: sister housewife. And then I felt bad because I because
Speaker 1: you were so nice to me.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing, and so for me, I'm
Speaker 2: always able to and I think this is gonna be
Speaker 2: The interesting part about the show is that we're doing,
Speaker 2: is that I'm it's easy to me to separate that
Speaker 2: stuff like personal in game, but this is a situation
Speaker 2: where the personal kind of was the game. Like I
Speaker 2: wasn't going to go after you, but so you were
Speaker 2: mad found out I didn't do it, and then you
Speaker 2: weren't mad.
Speaker 1: I know, I get it for things, really, but like.
Speaker 2: That That's all it took. So what if I did
Speaker 2: really want to go after you, would you still do?
Speaker 1: I mean no, it was a game. It was just
Speaker 1: you know what it was is because I really liked you.
Speaker 1: I really liked you, and I thought, wow, man, I
Speaker 1: really liked him, and I got suckered in. I don't
Speaker 1: like that because I have very good instinct and intuition
Speaker 1: and I can spot an asshole like like I have
Speaker 1: asshole like radar, like watch The show Man where.
Speaker 2: It comes from? For you? How can you do that?
Speaker 2: I think some people have it and some people don't.
Speaker 1: I just have it. My husband's like, you are crazy
Speaker 1: like that. We can meet somebody and I'm like, nope,
Speaker 1: not a good guy, He's like. And my husband likes everybody.
Speaker 1: Oh no, He's like he was so nice. I'm like, nope,
Speaker 1: I'm not right with him. Just a feeling feeling. My
Speaker 1: grandmother was very intuitive. She knew things were going to
Speaker 1: happen before they're going to happen. So I think I
Speaker 1: got a little bit of that gene in me.
Speaker 2: Got it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just call it the asshole radar something
Speaker 1: like that. But Dan, you are a big gamer.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I am not. So I want to learn so much
Speaker 1: from you and our guests that we have on because
Speaker 1: you know, in reality right now, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: new gaming shows coming out.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing I pushed back on. For you
Speaker 2: to be the longest running oh see how Wife and overarching,
Speaker 2: there's some meta game in that, actually the longest I'm on.
Speaker 2: So there's a meta game in that. So like you
Speaker 2: may not think like that you've been playing a game
Speaker 2: since you stepped foot on reality TV.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I thought. I really thought going into this.
Speaker 1: You know, I got great intuition, you know, and I
Speaker 1: got to Scotland, I got in that castle and I
Speaker 1: just looked at everybody, go, I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: doing here? How did I get here? And what am
Speaker 1: I doing?
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. For you to be on your
Speaker 2: show as long as you have been, there's gamesmanship to that,
Speaker 2: whether there is you, whether you know what you're doing,
Speaker 2: which I think you know exactly what you use.
Speaker 1: Housewives is a game of chess, yes, for sure, right
Speaker 1: you make this move, make this move, I say that,
Speaker 1: you say that definitely. But Traders is different. How did
Speaker 1: Traders compare to Big Brother?
Speaker 2: For you? So for me, it was much much quicker
Speaker 2: and like what we were doing in the car, like
Speaker 2: I got to know a lot about you, lot about
Speaker 2: like family or like that's what I do, so I
Speaker 2: will I'll play the play the whole game like that.
Speaker 2: So I knew a lot about everyone and big brother
Speaker 2: I got. I have all day to do that, and
Speaker 2: when I need to, like tug on the right strings,
Speaker 2: I do someone like you. I wouldn't have like done
Speaker 2: that against because I'm like Tamer's never going to turn
Speaker 2: on me. But so you identify those people. But that's
Speaker 2: like I established long term relationships and then make the
Speaker 2: move when I need to got it.
Speaker 1: Now, would you go back.
Speaker 2: To I would do Traders for sure? Would you you
Speaker 2: have to do it?
Speaker 1: I would go back to Traders because I didn't have
Speaker 1: the best experience and I really.
Speaker 2: Wasn't six I was so sick six hours I was.
Speaker 1: I was so sick, and then I ended up in
Speaker 1: the hospital when I got home, Like it was a
Speaker 1: whole mess.
Speaker 2: So let me this from like from your housewife community
Speaker 2: when you were done, or I would probably say after
Speaker 2: it aired, because it got so much buzz when it aired,
Speaker 2: like were people reaching out to you from like Housewives
Speaker 2: being like hey, like putting feelers out or what was
Speaker 2: what was your like Housewives friends? What was their take
Speaker 2: on what you did in the whole?
Speaker 1: You know, well, first of all, I couldn't say you
Speaker 1: know you when you're murdered. You can't say anything or
Speaker 1: do anything for until the show is completely over, so
Speaker 1: I couldn't go back to regular life, Like I couldn't
Speaker 1: do my podcast. I had to stay off social media
Speaker 1: until the show is completely done. And at that point
Speaker 1: when the show was completely done, I was in the
Speaker 1: hospital for three days.
Speaker 2: What happened well, because.
Speaker 1: I got so sick in Scotland. They put me on
Speaker 1: some kind of antibiotics that was so strong that they
Speaker 1: made inflammation in my intestines and I had like a blockage.
Speaker 1: So I was feeling so sick and stomach pains and
Speaker 1: I went to the hot and he's like, you're going
Speaker 1: to the hospital. I go to the hospital and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're being admitted. They're like you're gonna we're gonna put
Speaker 1: a tube down your nose, We're gonna suck everything out,
Speaker 1: and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Ew, That's one of the reason why I knew I
Speaker 2: really liked you because I knew you were hurting, but
Speaker 2: you still I was and You're like, I'm showing up
Speaker 2: because well, Ihaedra.
Speaker 1: Did me a favor because it was going to happen
Speaker 1: eventually on these antibiotics that were way too strong for me,
Speaker 1: and I got to go home. I was home for
Speaker 1: a day or so and I was in the hospital.
Speaker 1: So I would have ended up in the hospital in Scotland.
Speaker 1: That would have been no fun at all. But I
Speaker 1: would love to do a retake of it because now
Speaker 1: I know how the game works, and I think that
Speaker 1: I know I would be well, of course, and I
Speaker 1: would have a lot more fun.
Speaker 2: But like the missis so when you went, because that's
Speaker 2: to me, that's stepping outside like the Housewives bubble, And
Speaker 2: in terms of what like a house would normally do,
Speaker 2: what was their reaction to, like your friends on the
Speaker 2: show and other show, other housewives shows, where they just like,
Speaker 2: is there like jealousy because here you're on another show
Speaker 2: and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, we definitely have a few people, like
Speaker 1: on my cast that were like whatever, our Tammer gets everything,
Speaker 1: she gets the commercials, she gets Ultimate Girl's Trip, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, sorry, sucks to be you, but.
Speaker 2: That's like the meta game, and I think we're kind
Speaker 2: of leading this path. Is like, so you've been on
Speaker 2: TV for seventeen is it seventeen.
Speaker 1: Fifteen and seventeen years? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So like to be that long the mainstay on a showing.
Speaker 2: There's games and let's talk about it. They try to
Speaker 2: get rid of me once, Well, tell me about that.
Speaker 1: Well they fired me.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 1: I don't exactly know when you when you get fired?
Speaker 2: How do you get Does Andy fire you?
Speaker 1: No, there's no, that's not like you go into a
Speaker 1: room and there's a note on your chair and you
Speaker 1: open it up and say you've been fired. It doesn't
Speaker 1: work like traders. But I get a phone call. I
Speaker 1: was camping at the time, and I didn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of cell service, so I would drive up to
Speaker 1: the main road every once in a while.
Speaker 2: It was Bravo calling.
Speaker 1: They were calling production call and said, hey, just want
Speaker 1: to let you know that the network has decided to
Speaker 1: go in another way, another direction, And I go, what huh?
Speaker 2: And just for context, how many years had this been?
Speaker 1: Twelve years?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: And I said, what do you mean? Well, you can
Speaker 1: come back and do a certain amount of episodes and
Speaker 1: then they will write you off and I'm like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm all or none.
Speaker 2: So does that mean like you wouldn't have had like
Speaker 2: the or range.
Speaker 1: No, I would have just been like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just why after twelve years they have to give
Speaker 2: you a reason?
Speaker 1: I think sometimes like they want to switch it up.
Speaker 1: They want to change it up. They want to see
Speaker 1: if maybe it didn't work without me?
Speaker 2: Or can I ask you something?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Two questions, and I think I know that you weren't boring,
Speaker 2: Like was did you have a boring storyline?
Speaker 1: No? I ended my last season and the bush is crying.
Speaker 2: Okay. Second question, they had to be paying a lot
Speaker 2: of money for the like yeah, someone like the camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that could have been it. That could have
Speaker 1: been it. You never really know. But Andy gave me
Speaker 1: a call and he said, listen, you're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: I mark my words. You'll be back.
Speaker 2: So like soon after you got that.
Speaker 1: So I thought, Okay, I have a year off. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have fun next year. Nope, he didn't call me back,
Speaker 1: and then I started, oh my god. Then they gave
Speaker 1: me did.
Speaker 2: You reach out? Like did you did you? Dm Andy
Speaker 2: be like hey, like I'm still here, like the OC
Speaker 2: ratings are going down, like I'm over here, I'm over here.
Speaker 1: Hey No, And then I got then Andy called me
Speaker 1: on my birthday and offered me Ultimate Girls Trip. So
Speaker 1: I went on Ultimate Girls Trip and then I got higher.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ok, yes, Ultimate Girls Trip did really well and it
Speaker 1: was season two, just like Traders two that did very well.
Speaker 2: But is there a part of you that, like I
Speaker 2: would want to know give me the real reason? Because
Speaker 2: you take shows doing well, you take me off, show
Speaker 2: doesn't do well, you put me back on show does
Speaker 2: well again, So what was the reasoning? Did you piss
Speaker 2: off like an executive pro kiss people?
Speaker 1: Now? I'm very I have very good relationships with everybody
Speaker 1: on the network, the production team, all that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I've just been on for a really long time.
Speaker 1: They had let Vicky go and they had let Heather go,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, Okay, I guess it's my turn.
Speaker 1: Nothing less forever. And I never thought about this as
Speaker 1: a career. It's a job, it's a contract. So I'm
Speaker 1: back and everything's good.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, so, what do you think without
Speaker 2: being self aggrandizing, because you're not like that But what
Speaker 2: do you bring to the table that that's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: there's housewives that get cycled in and out there. You
Speaker 2: see it for season two seats they're gone, but you're
Speaker 2: still here. What do you think it gives me here?
Speaker 1: I think because I'm open and I'm honest, I don't
Speaker 1: play for the viewers. I speak my mind. I say
Speaker 1: the things that everybody's thinking. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: try to self produce. They don't want to be seen
Speaker 1: in a bad light.
Speaker 2: Do you mean self produced?
Speaker 1: They want to produce themselves in a way that maybe
Speaker 1: they're not in normal life. They want everybody to like them,
Speaker 1: They want the viewers to like them. And if that
Speaker 1: doesn't work, it doesn't work like that. Just be your raw,
Speaker 1: normal self and people love that. If you're going to
Speaker 1: act or be fake it shows they always say the
Speaker 1: cameras don't lie.
Speaker 2: When you get some pushback online from something you say,
Speaker 2: does that bother you or at this point, like, how
Speaker 2: do you handle that?
Speaker 1: Sometimes it bothers me. Right now, I've been going through
Speaker 1: a little bit of a mind because the show's airing,
Speaker 1: Certain girls are doing press, and certain girls are just
Speaker 1: out there just blatantly lying about me, and it makes
Speaker 1: me want to comment about it. I have, I have commented,
Speaker 1: but my turn to do press just happened and I
Speaker 1: spoke my mind. So but just a Joe Schmoe from
Speaker 1: Idaho that sends me dms like that he hates me,
Speaker 1: don't really give a shit.
Speaker 2: So and this is where the gamesmanship comes from me, Like,
Speaker 2: there's people on your show who are in the press
Speaker 2: lying about you. Yeah, and it's clear yeah right, So
Speaker 2: like what are they thinking that that's the truth is
Speaker 2: not going to come out or you're not going to
Speaker 2: be able to like give the receipts.
Speaker 1: I give receipts, baby, I always have received They are
Speaker 1: not thinking that's why they get called out. That is
Speaker 1: why they get called out. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So that's why I feel like, and I think it's
Speaker 2: different for you because your your show, your life on
Speaker 2: the show is a game, but it's not a game.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like this we not unique blend of
Speaker 2: like your life and everything's out there, but people are
Speaker 2: treating it like a game.
Speaker 1: Well, how did you get cast.
Speaker 2: In so a long long time ago? So when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, I grew up and I saw Survivor.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I love this, I want to go on it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm not the outdoorsy type. So then
Speaker 2: I saw a big brother and I'm like, Okay, it's
Speaker 2: the same thing as Survivor, but just in a house.
Speaker 2: So I sent in a VHS tape. You know what
Speaker 2: that is. They don't know what VHS tape.
Speaker 1: You girls don't know what it is. But it's just like,
Speaker 1: what's that?
Speaker 2: And you know, it took me four years to get cast.
Speaker 2: I made to like semi finals kind of learned the casting.
Speaker 1: Were you gaming at that time? Were you a gamer?
Speaker 2: No? So, like I grew up with like playing games
Speaker 2: as a kid, like sorry, Nintendo. But I just loved
Speaker 2: like the fact that you have these adults and they're
Speaker 2: taking like our lives are so serious, right, all the
Speaker 2: serious stuff's going on, and you have this like ridiculous
Speaker 2: game and all these adults are treating it like so important,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, this is so cool and to
Speaker 2: be able to play that game would be really special.
Speaker 2: And so it took me four years to get cast.
Speaker 1: You just write a letter or send a pigeon.
Speaker 2: I just kept sending tapes every year, and I'm just like,
Speaker 2: there's no, like I'm gonna I'll keep applying until I
Speaker 2: get on the show.
Speaker 1: Is there any other game you'd want to be a
Speaker 1: part of.
Speaker 2: I don't think right now. And I think that's where
Speaker 2: Traders was so unique, right, Like it was a fresh
Speaker 2: game and like we didn't I didn't really know how
Speaker 2: to play. You didn't like there wasn't all this strategy
Speaker 2: already played out. But one of the shows I thought
Speaker 2: was really cool to watch was Squid Games. Did you
Speaker 2: ever ever see my husband did?
Speaker 1: I couldn't get into it, Like.
Speaker 2: They put like four hundred people in this compound. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just insanity. I'm like, this is really cool
Speaker 2: and you see like different groups of people.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many shows that open the door
Speaker 1: for you know, just competition shows.
Speaker 2: Across Let me ask you so because I don't know
Speaker 2: your origin story because OC was the first one. Yes,
Speaker 2: So what was there like a line at the mall
Speaker 2: being there was? There was?
Speaker 1: It was, but I didn't go to that line of
Speaker 1: the mall. It was actually a line at the Balboa
Speaker 1: Bay Club, which you actually just saw in the first
Speaker 1: two episodes of Orange County this season. That's where the
Speaker 1: party was. That's also where I got baptized. So we
Speaker 1: have a lot of a lot to do with the
Speaker 1: Balboa Bay Club. There my girlfriend who lived next door
Speaker 1: to me. Now this was two thousand and six. I
Speaker 1: had little little kids and married to Simon, and we
Speaker 1: were drinking wine and she was in the house next
Speaker 1: to me and do you remember I am AOL semester
Speaker 1: semester on your computer name? Oh my god, I can't
Speaker 1: even remember. Probably something obnoxious, she said. She sent me
Speaker 1: the application and she says, hey, they're doing a casting call,
Speaker 1: and I go, what. I don't even know what that
Speaker 1: means for the Orange County.
Speaker 2: Housewise my commercials and stuff.
Speaker 1: Now, well you know what, Dan, thank you for asking,
Speaker 1: because when I was eighteen, I did a waterbed commercial.
Speaker 1: A waterbed commercial.
Speaker 2: That sounds like something that would have played on Watch
Speaker 2: What Happens Live? Did that ever? Has that ever leaked?
Speaker 1: No, it's never been shown. I don't even know where
Speaker 1: it was. It was on a local television station in Glendora, California, Okay,
Speaker 1: and I bought a water bed and then they called
Speaker 1: me back and said would you mind being in our commercial?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's your commercial.
Speaker 1: That's my extent of tea.
Speaker 2: So you weren't like actress? No, so what made you
Speaker 2: compelled to like, oh let me do this casting?
Speaker 1: Oh maybe in a smart ass. So my girlfriend sends
Speaker 1: me over the application for housewives. She goes they're doing
Speaker 1: a cast and call at Balbo Bay Club. I said, well,
Speaker 1: I had just gott into real estate, so I'm doing
Speaker 1: an open house and coded cause it that day, so
Speaker 1: I will not be there. But there was an online
Speaker 1: application and I filled it out very obnoxious, you know,
Speaker 1: just said obnoxious things. Didn't send a picture, didn't send
Speaker 1: anything in picture, nothing. And I got a phone call
Speaker 1: the next day saying, hey, I saw your application. I'd
Speaker 1: really like to interview you. And I'm like, what the
Speaker 1: b And so I tell my husband at the time,
Speaker 1: and I thought for sure because he's very controlling, and
Speaker 1: he'd be like, no, we're not doing that, Like sure,
Speaker 1: call them up. I'm like okay. So I called him up.
Speaker 1: They came to my house. I did an interview. They
Speaker 1: gave me a big stack of papers to fill out.
Speaker 1: I never filled them out, never thought I had the chance.
Speaker 1: They called me back, They're like, did you feel Mom
Speaker 1: said no, like, can we come back? We want to
Speaker 1: meet your husband, kids. Okay, met the husband and kids.
Speaker 2: So this play just like whatever because no one knows
Speaker 2: that Housewives.
Speaker 1: No Housewives, well no there was. I came in season three.
Speaker 2: Oh so there was two.
Speaker 1: And they were kind of boring. It was very not
Speaker 1: like it is today, but you know, it's what started everything.
Speaker 1: And so I ultimately got cast on the show, and
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm like, I don't know why you
Speaker 1: want me, but here I am. And I really changed
Speaker 1: Housewives as it is today. I came in feisty, calling
Speaker 1: people out, and before it was a very sleepy show,
Speaker 1: like just documenting like oh dinner with the girls, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and yeah, I felt like I've seen like the
Speaker 2: early episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah when the day that I screamed, did you got
Speaker 1: a bas leg? Everything changed?
Speaker 2: So let me let me ask this. If you never
Speaker 2: got that I am or that in some message, how
Speaker 2: would your life be different? Like, I'm serious, have you
Speaker 2: ever thought to like recollect and be like, let me
Speaker 2: go down this alternate world where.
Speaker 1: I think about that sometimes? And I really don't know.
Speaker 1: I know for sure I would have gotten divorced from
Speaker 1: my kid's father. I knew that was going to happen,
Speaker 1: but I was in real estate, and real estate was
Speaker 1: great back then, so I probably would have just jumped
Speaker 1: on that or but I don't know. I always thought
Speaker 1: that I was destined to do something in entertainment. You know.
Speaker 1: When I was little, I would dream like I always
Speaker 1: this is really mean, but I always thought of myself
Speaker 1: as Maryland from the Munsters, like the whole families like
Speaker 1: look like evil characters, and Marylyn was this pretty blonde girl.
Speaker 1: That's sorry family Carolyn, the Munsters. It was like Frankenstein
Speaker 1: looking down lady with long like black hair. And then
Speaker 1: there was you, and then there was me. And I
Speaker 1: always felt like, you know, I always wanted bigger and better.
Speaker 1: I always liked nice things. When I would dream, I
Speaker 1: dreamed that I was living in a castle, like all
Speaker 1: these things so crazy, and I don't know, I thought
Speaker 1: that one day this mouth would get me somewhere, get
Speaker 1: me or in jail. I wasn't sure one or the other.
Speaker 1: And here we are today, but so many, you know,
Speaker 1: early reality shows, and I don't even know if they
Speaker 1: called them reality shows back then. I mean, I'm trading spaces.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that when I used
Speaker 1: to love all that house decorating shows and things like that.
Speaker 2: I watch like early Survive Like when Survivor I did
Speaker 2: it was like super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, watch I watched that when it first
Speaker 1: came out.
Speaker 2: Did you ever think about applying for that? Because I could,
Speaker 2: I could see you on that just as like a
Speaker 2: complete one eighties.
Speaker 1: I think that I was too, Like I was such
Speaker 1: a stay at home mom and my kids were so
Speaker 1: little and close in age, and I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I just I'm happy being at home. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was a single mom for a long time with Ryan,
Speaker 1: so being able to just stay home and have children,
Speaker 1: I was very content.
Speaker 2: Did you going on these shows? Did it not change
Speaker 2: your personality but like force you to do like night
Speaker 2: life stuff when you weren't doing it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Like when I started the show,
Speaker 1: like I I had friends in the neighborhood, but I
Speaker 1: did not go on girls trips. I did not go, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys want to go to a happy hour? None
Speaker 1: of that. I mean to be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: don't do it now.
Speaker 2: Well that's what was when we met. I'm like, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a homebody, Like really.
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not kind of I am a homebody.
Speaker 1: I am a homebody. I you know, sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 1: get yourself out, you know, go do stuff. My husband
Speaker 1: is more wanting to go out to dinner and do things,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm like, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Do you view when you have to go, like to
Speaker 2: that club to shoot a scene you look at that
Speaker 2: as work, like I need to go shoot this or
Speaker 2: is it, hey, I'm going to hang out and some
Speaker 2: stuff it?
Speaker 1: So you know what kind of both it's work depends
Speaker 1: on who I have to go film with. But you know,
Speaker 1: I have a good gig. I get paid to go
Speaker 1: to lunch with people be yourself and be myself, so
Speaker 1: it doesn't suck at all. But yeah, where do you
Speaker 1: think you want to Is there any shows that you
Speaker 1: wanted beyond other than this podcast?
Speaker 2: You know? I mean I just think like if there's
Speaker 2: a new game that comes out that it has to
Speaker 2: be very special. Like to me, I knew The Traders
Speaker 2: was going to be special. I knew the cast was
Speaker 2: going to be amazing, and it's a new fun game.
Speaker 2: I just for me to do another show, it just
Speaker 2: can't be the same thing over and over. And this
Speaker 2: is like an example of like doing this, Like I
Speaker 2: don't want to go do another reality TV podcast. I
Speaker 2: just don't want to do that. But like you pair
Speaker 2: me with you, I'm like, okay, this is unique diff
Speaker 2: you're from.
Speaker 1: You got the gamer in the housewife, gamer in the housewife. Now,
Speaker 1: how long has it been since you were on Big Brother?
Speaker 2: So last time I was on Big Brother was twenty
Speaker 2: twelve and so but since then, like probably every year,
Speaker 2: every other year, I would get pitched a reality show
Speaker 2: where there's amazing race, you know something.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I just like I tried out
Speaker 1: for amazing race.
Speaker 2: Good, yeah, me my amazing race and that survivor or
Speaker 2: Big Brother.
Speaker 1: Well it just kind of fell on our laps and
Speaker 1: Teddy and I were going to do it together. So recently, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like two years ago, I think, and we
Speaker 1: went through the entire process and they did not pick us.
Speaker 2: Really no, was it conflict of interest or I don't know.
Speaker 1: We never got a reason why. I probably passed. I
Speaker 1: didn't pass a psych evaluation. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: That would be great TV. Is there has there ever
Speaker 2: been a when you do something like that, like because
Speaker 2: I know Bravo and Peacock are aligned. Yeah, if you do,
Speaker 2: can you do stuff outside of that?
Speaker 1: We have to get permission. And I do have Amazing
Speaker 1: Race carved out of my contract because I had talked
Speaker 1: to them after that and they were interested in having
Speaker 1: me and Eddie do the show together.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: I probably would have felt more comfortable doing it with
Speaker 1: Eddie because some of that stuff that you have to
Speaker 1: do in a foreign country, like I'd rather have a man,
Speaker 1: and Teddy's just not manly enough. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: she has that deep voice, but she's just not masculine
Speaker 1: enough for me.
Speaker 2: Is Andy the Kingsmaker? Is he the one that signs
Speaker 2: off me like yep, tam, or you can do this
Speaker 2: or no?
Speaker 1: Probably really yeah? Probably over at Bravo, they're the ones
Speaker 1: that sign off. So we have then we have a
Speaker 1: production company, and then.
Speaker 2: He's got He's probably an interesting story how he like
Speaker 2: worked his way up, like he runs that network.
Speaker 1: I know he's a he's a very busy man, not
Speaker 1: to mention he's got podcasts and radio shows, but.
Speaker 2: Talk about gamesmanship. There's like to work your way up
Speaker 2: to the head of a company that isn't like like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure he likes you know that he was on.
Speaker 1: Got Sex in the City. He was he was on
Speaker 1: Sex in the City. Yeah, it was like that's to
Speaker 1: this day him and Sarah Jessica Park are really good friends.
Speaker 2: But was that before he was like Andy Cohen.
Speaker 1: Yes, he was like very very young. He had this
Speaker 1: big head of curly hair and he was I can't
Speaker 1: remember what he did because.
Speaker 2: First time I saw m he hosted this it was
Speaker 2: just I mean it was called Battle of the Network
Speaker 2: Stars and they brought these reality TV personalities together for
Speaker 2: this competition show and it was like super low budget.
Speaker 2: But I think he hosted it. And that was like
Speaker 2: right around the time when Bravo turned from like you know,
Speaker 2: like Bravo was boring before. Yeah, and then it was
Speaker 2: like he'd.
Speaker 1: When they had just career ire for the straight Guy
Speaker 1: or something like that. Very yeah, yeah, Tabitha's takeover something
Speaker 1: like that. Well, there's so many amazing reality competition shows
Speaker 1: out there, and we want to talk to every single contestant.
Speaker 1: Now Big Brother is airing right now, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: now are you watching?
Speaker 2: So this is probably going to rub some people the
Speaker 2: wrong way, but who better to be on a couch
Speaker 2: with rubbing people the wrong way? Here's my take on
Speaker 2: Big brother Big Brother has become. When I played it,
Speaker 2: it was like the nicest person didn't win, Like it
Speaker 2: was just whoever played hard. There would be like people.
Speaker 1: Crying over didn't you win? But you step in your.
Speaker 2: But like so, so that's how it used to be,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to be this like, oh it
Speaker 2: used to be this way. But now it's like they're
Speaker 2: on camera twenty four to seven, so people are hyper
Speaker 2: aware of everything they say and they do. So now
Speaker 2: it's like they're playing two games. They're playing the social
Speaker 2: media game. Yeah, and then so that will impact how
Speaker 2: people make moves in the house. So like, well, I
Speaker 2: don't want to go after Tammer because I know everyone
Speaker 2: on social media is gonna love tamor well guess what
Speaker 2: if the right move is to go after you, that's
Speaker 2: the right move. And so I've seen like the game
Speaker 2: and it's I think it was just inevitable with the
Speaker 2: rise of social media. It's like you have people who
Speaker 2: go on there to play, like probably like housewives play
Speaker 2: to the cameras. They're not there to play the game.
Speaker 2: They're not there to be real like people love you.
Speaker 2: I like watching you because like now I see it
Speaker 2: like you're on TV, that's who you are in real life.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see like, you know, robots and
Speaker 2: fake people and so so.
Speaker 1: You feel like it's just a little bit too fake now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just think it's it's no one's fault
Speaker 2: you're not watching. No, I'll watch the finale because to me,
Speaker 2: that's always like someone busted their tail for an entire.
Speaker 1: Summing and it's no longer. They were doing celebrity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our very own teddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah what she say about it? What did she?
Speaker 1: She was very sure she got kicked off. She's very opinionated,
Speaker 1: and I think that's one of those things where they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: get on. Yeah, so she we were kind of bombed.
Speaker 1: I was the first time I ever really watched Big Brother.
Speaker 1: I had a viewing party, you know, because I couldn't
Speaker 1: talk to her. Yeah, they take your phone away.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you have nothing, no phone Internet. It's like
Speaker 2: I mean, it is. I would love to see you
Speaker 2: in that environment because the walls come in very quickly.
Speaker 1: Like very you're actually on a set, right, you're a
Speaker 1: closed set, and do you get to go outside?
Speaker 2: There's like an outdoor, but imagine this is it and
Speaker 2: they're like the ceilings cut out.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was. I just did pressed the
Speaker 1: other day and I don't remember what studio is at,
Speaker 1: but it was where they were filming Big Brother, and
Speaker 1: they were saying that they have to put higher screens
Speaker 1: around the outside area. That's right. They had to put
Speaker 1: these big, dark screens because there was a housing department
Speaker 1: on the either side, and they would scream down and
Speaker 1: give it away.
Speaker 2: People are not Yeah, people are us. People fly like
Speaker 2: planes over they'll like rent a plane or pay for
Speaker 2: a plane with a message, and holy hell. The thing
Speaker 2: I always loved about Big Brother is there was always
Speaker 2: a wide diversity of house guests from age everything. And
Speaker 2: I feel like the past couple of years and I
Speaker 2: think this year, like they put an older woman on there,
Speaker 2: which I think makes it more fun.
Speaker 1: Older like my age, you're young, you're in your form,
Speaker 1: but like no I'm not.
Speaker 2: But like it got to like, okay, here's twenties, the thirties,
Speaker 2: but the hits makers the entertainers were like the crazy
Speaker 2: like sixty year old lady, the seventy eight year old
Speaker 2: dude losing his mind. I mean, so it's just it
Speaker 2: kind of got away from that so we'll see. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's I think the show is so dependent on the cast,
Speaker 2: and I think if you can get a cast in
Speaker 2: there that doesn't care about social media, that's when it's
Speaker 2: great television.
Speaker 1: Is there any newer competition shows that you're watching, Like
Speaker 1: there's like a House of Villains.
Speaker 2: I watched the one that really grabbed me outside of
Speaker 2: Traders with Squid Games, because it's just something new. It's like,
Speaker 2: I love the show. So there's a fiction show about
Speaker 2: these people fighting for their lives and the winner got
Speaker 2: four million dollars and then they recreated that almost like
Speaker 2: scene for scene.
Speaker 1: But four million dollars is worth fighting for, I know.
Speaker 2: But like, but you got to think, like a typical show,
Speaker 2: you see like fifteen twenty people competing. They had like
Speaker 2: hundreds of people on a show, and I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is new, this is cool that there's this competition where
Speaker 2: there's this glass bridge and like one step, one block,
Speaker 2: like shatters you fall thirty feet the next magic of television.
Speaker 2: But so you see these people like Tammer, you go
Speaker 2: first know you and it's like that's what I want
Speaker 2: to see. I want to see people in these like
Speaker 2: tough environments having to make game decisions. And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of these games, like even Big Brother and Survivor,
Speaker 2: it's been on for so long so people know exactly
Speaker 2: what to expect. We're like something like Traders, We're kind
Speaker 2: of like figuring it out now. I would expect the
Speaker 2: next season of Traders, people are going to know, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's how Dan messed up. Let me not do that.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things. No, we had, you know,
Speaker 2: Suri and like the Civilians in the first season, like
Speaker 2: they didn't know what they were doing. You know. No.
Speaker 1: I like it that it's all celebrity people that's on it.
Speaker 2: Which can we randomly talk about? You and Deontay are
Speaker 2: from the same hometown? I know?
Speaker 1: Is that crazy? Who knew that Deontay lives in Glendora, California,
Speaker 1: where I grew up. I was like when I met
Speaker 1: him for the first time, I'm like, oh, where are
Speaker 1: you from? He's like Glendor. I'm like, no, you're not.
Speaker 2: You're so bizarre because I was there. I'm like, what,
Speaker 2: let's talk.
Speaker 1: About Johnny Bananas?
Speaker 2: He does he not like you? Well, I'm okay, I'm cool,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna tell you this. This is what I heard,
Speaker 2: so here's like tea for everyone, and I'm sure that's tea.
Speaker 2: But I heard he was supposed to be in season three,
Speaker 2: and you you know that I did to the little
Speaker 2: like you know him as much as I know me,
Speaker 2: maybe no more. This dude lives for reality TV, like
Speaker 2: this is his life.
Speaker 1: And his career. He's a career reality TV competition.
Speaker 2: So then I heard he's not doing it, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I dug a little bit. I asked him, like why
Speaker 2: isn't he doing it? And so, I mean, that's just
Speaker 2: he didn't expect it. So I reached out to him like, hey,
Speaker 2: like are you okay, because for him not to do that,
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, you're not breathing oxygen. And he never
Speaker 2: spinned him. I was genuinely just wanted to do yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess, but I wanted to check out him because
Speaker 2: like if someone not doing their favorite things, well, he
Speaker 2: just DMed.
Speaker 1: Me and said we need to get together soon. So
Speaker 1: he lives pretty close to me. Okay, he lives in
Speaker 1: Fuller ten, so he lives pretty close.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't take it personal, you know, I like.
Speaker 1: I but I feel like somebody like him that is
Speaker 1: like a career competitor.
Speaker 2: I guess you call him.
Speaker 1: He takes things very serious and I don't remember what
Speaker 1: your guys beef was.
Speaker 2: No, he was just mad that I voted him out
Speaker 2: or that I took him out first. That was it.
Speaker 2: I didn't like slander him, But.
Speaker 1: I think if he went back to Traders, I think
Speaker 1: it would happen again, probably because people would be afraid
Speaker 1: of him because he's so good at what he does.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, if someone spends their whole life
Speaker 2: doing the same thing over and over again, Like, why
Speaker 2: do I want to go up against someone? Why do
Speaker 2: you want to go against someone who's been doing this
Speaker 2: for fifteen years in a row.
Speaker 1: EMCT he made it all the way to the end.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised somebody didn't get rid of him. I didn't
Speaker 1: know you're worried about me, little sick me.
Speaker 2: I knew who CT was. I didn't know he was.
Speaker 2: He was like considered the babe Ruth of the challenge.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. That was just like a really
Speaker 2: dynamic and.
Speaker 1: Johnny been working together for years. So no, you're gonna
Speaker 1: say that Bananas won't be on our podcast anytimes.
Speaker 2: No, I would love to talk. I have no And
Speaker 2: that's the thing like to me, like I will play
Speaker 2: like if we're playing Monopoly, you're gonna hate me in
Speaker 2: the game. I'm gonna do everything I need to. But
Speaker 2: when it's over, like, I'm cool. I just want to
Speaker 2: talk about like do people other housewives come to you
Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, help me, let me ask you
Speaker 2: Just has anyone ever and any housewife I could be
Speaker 2: on any season come to you and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: what do you think? What can I do? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens all the time. Usually what happens is
Speaker 1: a first season housewife will reach out to me and say,
Speaker 1: you know, I really love you. You've been on the
Speaker 1: show for a long time. Do you have any advice
Speaker 1: for me?
Speaker 2: How do you will? You can? I can? I guess
Speaker 2: how you take that? I bet you you're flattered and
Speaker 2: then you actually really genuinely try to help them.
Speaker 1: I do absolutely, let me ask before you answer.
Speaker 2: What you say to what other people on your cast?
Speaker 1: Do that? No?
Speaker 2: No, no?
Speaker 1: And I do that to almost every new cast member
Speaker 1: that comes on the show. I will tell them like listen,
Speaker 1: you know, just be yourself, don't lie, you know, just
Speaker 1: be authentic, be open and you're gonna be fine. That's
Speaker 1: all you can do. And if you're they don't find
Speaker 1: you interesting enough, then it's not that bad being normal.
Speaker 1: It's not that bad, you know, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: Is that? Like is that the kiss of death though,
Speaker 2: is if they don't like you or if they don't
Speaker 2: remember you for sure? So yeah, So when you say that,
Speaker 2: isn't there an element of like be yourself but like
Speaker 2: you can do this to be memorable? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, But you know, when new people come
Speaker 1: into this, they there the show's been on for so
Speaker 1: long that they're like, I don't know what I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to do. Or they come in and go, well, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do what this girl did and I'm going
Speaker 1: to act like that and I'm going to be this,
Speaker 1: and they already have it all planned out in their head,
Speaker 1: you know, And and that doesn't work. We don't want
Speaker 1: somebody that's prerehearsed coming in and scram everything up for
Speaker 1: the show. So I have to ask you a question,
Speaker 1: what do you think the secret to success in life is?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a very personal question. So I
Speaker 2: will give my answer, but I want to hear your
Speaker 2: answer to me, I feel like success is doing what
Speaker 2: you want as much as you humanly possibly can. You know,
Speaker 2: So for me, what does that mean? That means I
Speaker 2: get to control my schedule. I get to be part
Speaker 2: of cool projects and do things that I like while
Speaker 2: also being present for my children and my wife and
Speaker 2: being able to do all that you know, coach little league,
Speaker 2: do that stuff. That's success for me? What is success
Speaker 2: for me?
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I also want to say, like,
Speaker 1: to me, success is not measured by how much money
Speaker 1: you have in your bank, or what kind of car
Speaker 1: you drive, what kind of you know job you have.
Speaker 1: I think success is doing something that you really really
Speaker 1: enjoy doing every single day and having just being happy
Speaker 1: and having a loving family and all those things. Money
Speaker 1: comes and goes. Don't even care about that, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like, oh, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a social climber and I'm successful. I don't buy
Speaker 1: into that stuff.
Speaker 2: When you say getting to do what you love to
Speaker 2: do every day, what does that mean for tamor like,
Speaker 2: what do you love to do for me? Like?
Speaker 1: You know, I I didn't go to college out of
Speaker 1: high school. I got my manicuring license. I did nails.
Speaker 1: Then later in life, I got my real estate license,
Speaker 1: so it's always looking for something to do when I
Speaker 1: and I did that because I love houses, I love
Speaker 1: decorating houses, I love everything to do with it. So
Speaker 1: every day that I was selling houses, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Then when I got on reality TV, I had no
Speaker 1: idea what I was getting myself into, but I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, and I really liked it, and I really
Speaker 1: liked that I had a set schedule that you know,
Speaker 1: these days are months I'm in a film, this is
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do press, and you know, then I do
Speaker 1: this and then we have a few months off and
Speaker 1: I do it all over again. I was able to
Speaker 1: be with my kids for the majority of time. I
Speaker 1: didn't have to get up at six and the Moe
Speaker 1: drive to work and be gone all day long and
Speaker 1: miss everything and come back. So I that to me
Speaker 1: was a success because I was able to be there
Speaker 1: for my children, for my husband and all that. Just
Speaker 1: hard working and happiness really, you know, and.
Speaker 2: You have a lot going on. You have a CBD company,
Speaker 2: you have a million podcasts, you have the two houses,
Speaker 2: I know million You talk about at some point the
Speaker 2: house that you've fixed up because it plays into what
Speaker 2: you're just talking about. So it sounds like for you,
Speaker 2: what you love to do is like if you see
Speaker 2: something you want to do, whether it's a company you
Speaker 2: want to start, podcasts, a house you want to renovate,
Speaker 2: you just have the capacity to do that when you
Speaker 2: want to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have the drive to do it for me, like,
Speaker 1: if I put my mind to do something, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do it, and I'm going to do I'm going
Speaker 1: to kill it. And I have and of course I've
Speaker 1: had failures, but your failures are what teaches you to
Speaker 1: be stronger and to keep going. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, for this girl that didn't end up going
Speaker 1: to college, I'm doing pretty damn well. Although my youngest
Speaker 1: daughters like, mom, why do I have to go to college?
Speaker 1: You didn't go to college, And look at.
Speaker 2: You, I mean, what do you say that.
Speaker 1: I said, listen, you're right, You're absolutely right, And I'm
Speaker 1: not forcing my child to go to college. I said,
Speaker 1: I think that. Well, I let her take a gap
Speaker 1: year and she's like, oh, this sucks, like and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not fun to adult. So I if
Speaker 1: I were you, I would take the opportunity to go
Speaker 1: to college. You got four years your brother living his
Speaker 1: best life. I'm paying his rent. You know, he's over
Speaker 1: there in Fullerton, cal State Fullerton. He just actually graduated.
Speaker 1: And you know, living you learn a lot that way.
Speaker 1: You just learn just basic life skills.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get sentimental here on you, But
Speaker 2: do you think there'll be a day when you're like,
Speaker 2: this is it? This is my last season. I'm going
Speaker 2: to like do you want to call your shot when
Speaker 2: you go out?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You do? Yeah, like the farewell tour, like this is it?
Speaker 2: Like do you think do you think you'll hit a
Speaker 2: point where you're like, Okay, I'm done, or do you
Speaker 2: think you want to go until No.
Speaker 1: I think that there's going to be a day that
Speaker 1: I'm going to be done. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: sixty years old and fighting with women on a reality show.
Speaker 1: But I also think that I've been on reality for
Speaker 1: so long that stuff is just going to come my way. Anyways,
Speaker 1: even if I were to go, and who knows, like
Speaker 1: nothing's promised, I could lose my job next season and
Speaker 1: I would be perfectly fine. I've already had the firing
Speaker 1: a couple of years back that you know what it sucked,
Speaker 1: but once you get hurt like that, it just never
Speaker 1: stings the same again.
Speaker 2: But I think that's what makes you such an iconic
Speaker 2: reality TV personality, is like you don't have to have
Speaker 2: this right like you. I think you see people on
Speaker 2: TV and competition shows are like they have to, like
Speaker 2: they're so desperate and like it comes off as like inauthentic,
Speaker 2: like when you say like I'm good tomorrow, like I
Speaker 2: think everyone listening myself include believes it, like you've had
Speaker 2: a great.
Speaker 1: I've had a great run. I mean I was saying
Speaker 1: I want to quit any time standards. I don't get
Speaker 1: the kid. I'm not putting that message out there, but
Speaker 1: I think when the day comes, like I'm going to
Speaker 1: live a really happy life because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I have a really happy life and I
Speaker 1: have a really good life, and I'm very busy, and
Speaker 1: you know, we're in the middle of doing a new
Speaker 1: new business, so self defense business. It's basically what it
Speaker 1: sounds like.
Speaker 2: It's we go.
Speaker 1: It's mostly run by simulations, so they will teach you
Speaker 1: like virtual like virtual so it is it has tacticals
Speaker 1: involved in it, although there's no guns, but there's they're
Speaker 1: not actual real guns.
Speaker 2: What is tactical like a fake gun?
Speaker 1: It's gone just tactical just a I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, elain like a BB gun. Is it like?
Speaker 1: No, it's actually you go into a room. They're going
Speaker 1: to give you different scenarios on the screen where you
Speaker 1: are taught to carry a firearm and what the proper
Speaker 1: way of doing that. And you go into the screen
Speaker 1: and you can be a situation you're getting carjacked, or
Speaker 1: you're getting you're in a shooting in the mall or
Speaker 1: anything like that teaches you things that you would never
Speaker 1: probably ever experience, but you could nowadays. There's the just
Speaker 1: a self defense part where they were you're being taught
Speaker 1: to defend yourself, not like full jiu jitsuything like that,
Speaker 1: but the basics.
Speaker 2: Have you gone through it?
Speaker 1: Yes, I've gone through it? If like yeah, But it's
Speaker 1: like a membership base where you go a couple of
Speaker 1: times a week where you learn, like I'm putting my
Speaker 1: daughter through it. I want to put my son. He's
Speaker 1: fighting me on it, but I want to put my
Speaker 1: son through it just because you know, there's a woman
Speaker 1: the other day that was at the mall elderly woman
Speaker 1: and she was robbed from from behind and then killed
Speaker 1: and there's just techniques that you can learn that might
Speaker 1: have saved her life. And it's it's just an amazing concept.
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's kind of like a video game.
Speaker 2: How did that's real? Quick? How did that's like? Where
Speaker 2: did that come from?
Speaker 1: We were approached by these people, this this guy. I
Speaker 1: don't know both of them. I knew one and we
Speaker 1: were talking. I go, oh my god, I'd really want
Speaker 1: to invest in something like that. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I brought the rights for all of California, so if
Speaker 1: you want to get in it, and so we said, yep,
Speaker 1: let's do it.
Speaker 2: That's exciting. Yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's another video game of life, trying
Speaker 1: to stay alive, Stay Alive.
Speaker 2: We kind of talked about it, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: I want you to get specific. So you've made a
Speaker 2: name for yourself, right, like like if you close, if
Speaker 2: I close my eyes and I think of housewives, I
Speaker 2: see you in like maybe two or three others, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like a passive you know, like Bravo fan.
Speaker 2: Like I would say, like like.
Speaker 1: When you're passing in the hallway and your wife has
Speaker 1: it on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, like I'm like a normy, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not going to bravokon and things like that. You know,
Speaker 2: So what do you think has made you stand out
Speaker 2: over the other people that have come and gone, come
Speaker 2: and gone, Like I guarantee like when you when you
Speaker 2: go to Bravo Khan, like you're one of the people
Speaker 2: that you don't need a name. Everyone knows who you are,
Speaker 2: whether they watch OC or not.
Speaker 1: I think I think my Ranas really captures people and
Speaker 1: saying what most people are thinking but they don't have
Speaker 1: the balls to say it, and calling out people when
Speaker 1: they are lying. And you know, and I'm not afraid
Speaker 1: of making an ass out of myself. You know, you've
Speaker 1: seen me drunk on TV.
Speaker 2: Any moments like that you're maybe proud of or not
Speaker 2: proud of that have like stood.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a ton of like what well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a bathtub scene I'm not very
Speaker 1: proud of. But there's also scenes like you know, my
Speaker 1: granddaughter was born on camera. I was baptized on camera.
Speaker 1: I was proposed to on camera. I got married on camera.
Speaker 1: You know, I have like Eddie's grandma that's ninety eight
Speaker 1: years old right now, was on camera and you know
Speaker 1: she's not going to be around for much longer and
Speaker 1: we have her, you know, yeah, on camera.
Speaker 2: So there's a there's a lot about any one liners
Speaker 2: or like famous sayings, like we were talking about one
Speaker 2: in the holidays, Judge. Yeah, I'd asked my wife what
Speaker 2: the story was that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've had quite a few. I mean
Speaker 1: one of my favorites is is you're ass jealous of
Speaker 1: the shit that comes out of your mouth? And the
Speaker 1: girl responded yes because she didn't know what I was
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: Was that premeditated or was that on the spot? Like
Speaker 2: had you thought of that line before?
Speaker 1: I had thought I had heard that line before. And
Speaker 1: there's just one girl that was just so full of
Speaker 1: shit and she was just talking. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is a perfect opportunity. That's my opinion. Was something
Speaker 1: that I never thought would be as popular as it is.
Speaker 1: Just never seems to go away. But but you know,
Speaker 1: there's always stuff that's coming out of my mouth that
Speaker 1: is it keeps on going, It just keeps on going.
Speaker 1: Well down. It was so great to catch up and
Speaker 1: to finally get this podcast off the ground. We have
Speaker 1: been struggling. The last time you came out we were
Speaker 1: supposed to do I got sick, And now here we are.
Speaker 1: I am so excited. I hope that we're going to
Speaker 1: be able to do a little recap on Traders as well,
Speaker 1: because I feel like that's going to be coming out soon.
Speaker 1: I'm so so excited. People love Traders. It's up for
Speaker 1: an Emmy.
Speaker 2: Awesome. I know, good job.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't do much.
Speaker 2: You're a part of the catch. No, I'm excited. I
Speaker 2: think we have a lot of great guests coming through.
Speaker 2: I think I am just so excited to get a
Speaker 2: chance to talk to them, but also see your perspective
Speaker 2: on some of these reality TV winners that you may
Speaker 2: not be familiar with. And I want to see how
Speaker 2: you approach him, because we're just coming at this from
Speaker 2: two very different angles, Oh for sure. And I like,
Speaker 2: I always love having a front seat to like fireworks
Speaker 2: in great entertainment, and I think I think that's coming
Speaker 2: down the road happening.
Speaker 1: So you guys tune in. We're going to have our
Speaker 1: first guest, which is Max w was on Traders with
Speaker 1: us and dancing with the stars. We'll see you soon.