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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Welcome back to the best podcast ever with

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Speaker 1: Raven and my Ran. Did you guys miss us?

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Speaker 2: I missed us? I missed us too. I mean we're

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Speaker 2: pretty missafule. Hey hey, hey, okay, serious question for you.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what you think about same side seating.

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Speaker 2: What the fuck is that like when you see a

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Speaker 2: couple in a restaurant and they're sitting on the same

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Speaker 2: side as each other.

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Speaker 1: Oh, unless we have different hands, meaning if you're left handed,

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Speaker 1: I'm right handed, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Need us to sit across the table. Okay, So the

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Speaker 2: only time it's acceptable is if you have different hands.

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Speaker 1: No, the only other time it's acceptable is when you

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Speaker 1: got multiple people at the table and you don't want

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Speaker 1: to smell them and you rather just mall your partner

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Speaker 1: the whole time.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like a couple, yeap, just the couple.

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Speaker 1: Just the couple into the table. I need to stay

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Speaker 1: into you.

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Speaker 2: They go to Jerry's same mistelli, ooh, that's closed. I

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Speaker 2: like it, rip and they sit on the same side

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Speaker 2: of the booth. Are you weird it out?

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Speaker 1: It depends on how they are. That sounds like a

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Speaker 1: couple that's in their seventies. So no, no, what are

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Speaker 1: you are you? Are you a same side sitter?

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Speaker 2: No, because here's the deal. When you sit same side

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Speaker 2: and then you want to talk to each other, you're

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Speaker 2: always having to then look over your right or left

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Speaker 2: shoulder right, And like you said, I want to be

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Speaker 2: able just to like look into your eyes. And it's

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Speaker 2: interesting you say a seventy year old couple, because I'd

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Speaker 2: put that on thirteen year olds who are crushing on

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Speaker 2: each other and want to like hold hands while eating.

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Speaker 1: Wow, they obviously aren't addicted to food like I am. Like,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather be eating than holding hands.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. For you, going to a restaurant is

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Speaker 2: not a joke. No, it is all about the It

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Speaker 2: is not about the romance that. It is not about

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Speaker 2: the person you're going with.

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Speaker 1: It is about the word romance has been circulating our

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Speaker 1: ether for too long. I'm over it, has it?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Bad romance?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So.

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Speaker 2: We're pretty much on the same side of the same

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Speaker 2: side seating conversation, correct, which means it's not happening.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: We're on the opposite side of the table, of the

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Speaker 1: same side of the table conversation, the opposite side of

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Speaker 1: the same. Look at that.

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Speaker 2: That's a whole new, a whole new page. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: have a question back to Jerry's Nimistelli. What was your

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Speaker 2: order there?

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Speaker 1: So I have to ask you a question before I

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Speaker 1: answer that is this in the daytime or after the club?

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Speaker 2: Such a good distinction. It would definitely be the daytime

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Speaker 2: because I never went to the club, so the daytime.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so daytime I would probably get the chicken soup

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Speaker 1: with with bagel crisps, without the matsa. I don't do matsa.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, the matsa ball soup. You would get the chicken

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Speaker 2: noodle soup.

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Speaker 1: With rice, actually chicken and rice soup.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get the chicken and.

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Speaker 1: Rice soup without the mazza. It took me a while

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Speaker 1: to get to the mansa, but definitely the pickled tomatoes.

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Speaker 1: If you guys don't know, there was a deli that

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Speaker 1: thrived in Los Angeles called Jerry's Famous Deli. They were

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Speaker 1: in Encino, they were in Hollywood and after COVID, we.

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Speaker 2: Were right across the street from Cedar SINAI.

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Speaker 1: Oh so good now, club Jerry's Deli. Meal is different.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, do you know what I know this is

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Speaker 2: not what you were getting at with the club, but

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Speaker 2: this is an amazing segue. Do you know what club

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Speaker 2: as in club Sandwich stands for?

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Speaker 1: What does club from club sandwich celery let no celery

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Speaker 1: lettuce celery. Well, I don't know what else starts with the.

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Speaker 2: Sea chicken lettuce under bread, shut the front back door. Now,

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Speaker 2: if that is the acronym for club, why then does

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Speaker 2: it are over to the club?

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Speaker 1: You mean I do not eat a club before I

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Speaker 1: go to the.

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Speaker 2: Club, that would know? I mean like, because do you

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Speaker 2: think the club as in I'm going to the club

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Speaker 2: also stands for chicken let us under bread, But it

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Speaker 2: just means different types of things could be could be

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Speaker 2: because I means like, if you say, hey, I have

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Speaker 2: my golf club, are you really saying you have my chicken?

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Speaker 1: I hate the English language. It is said, we'd like

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Speaker 1: to learn that I or did you just come up

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: What does a BLT stand for bacon lettuce?

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Speaker 1: And that toole?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? So that's a club obviously means chicken let us underbread.

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Speaker 1: I love that obviously obviously.

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Speaker 2: Obviously well order, So here's the deal on Tuesdays and

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Speaker 2: Thursdays when I was growing up were my nights with

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Speaker 2: I out to dinner. Usually we frequented two places on

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Speaker 2: and I would go back and forth between half of

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Speaker 2: a tuna sandwich or half of a turkey sandwich with

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Speaker 2: a bowl of Matzowall soup all the time, and then

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Speaker 2: usually a slice of cheesecake.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, a cheesecake at Jerry's Deli. Never did the cheesecake,

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Speaker 1: always did the brownie Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Jerry's it was. It's a landmark, it is. It is

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Speaker 2: a famous deli, which is ironic considering how famous the

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Speaker 2: person coming onto this podcast is.

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Speaker 1: Genius.

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Speaker 2: She may or may not have eaten there.

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Speaker 1: She probably ate there. I could definitely see this famous

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Speaker 1: Purtisan eating there with her Manzi bl soup and bagel chips.

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Speaker 1: This famous person that we're about to talk to has

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Speaker 1: grazed my eyes since I was a young kid. She

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Speaker 1: gave me hope, and she made me laugh, and she

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Speaker 1: knows how to use a glue gun.

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you that she was in two

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Speaker 2: core memory building movie for me. They literally imprinted into

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Speaker 2: my brain, DNA. I don't even know. And do you

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Speaker 2: know what they are? Well?

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Speaker 1: One of them, I hope I know one of them.

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Speaker 3: I hope.

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Speaker 1: I think I know what it is. The other one

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Speaker 1: I know for sure, I know what it is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, do you want to say which one? Do

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Speaker 2: you think?

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Speaker 1: The sad part is I don't know the names, but

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Speaker 1: one of them A baseball movie, A League of their Own.

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Speaker 1: The other one is the Flintstones.

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Speaker 2: No big, the second not at all. It was now

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you always say now now and then

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Speaker 1: Flintstones is mine.

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Speaker 2: Flintstones I loved. Also, if you guys didn't know, I'm

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Speaker 2: going I'll tell you that it's not Flintstones, it's flint.

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Speaker 1: F l I Flintstone T and do I say that T?

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Speaker 2: But I just learned this the other day and it

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Speaker 2: was one of those moments where I was like, what

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Speaker 2: in the actual fuck? And flint yeah, Mendela effect, for sure,

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Speaker 2: flint Stones, flint because the fire they spark it, flint anyway, whatever,

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Speaker 2: Now and Then and A League of their Own with

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Speaker 2: two movies I watched on repeat after going to Jerry's Famoustelli.

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Speaker 1: And there you have it if you haven't guessed, we

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Speaker 1: have the most historic legend in the comedy field, especially

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Speaker 1: for our community. You guys, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's not Madonna. Oh, it's it's her bff, Rosie o'donald.

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Speaker 5: Hello, Rosie, Rosie of Donald International Star, Superstar, The Flintstone.

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Speaker 3: Flintstone Stone, Thank you, ladies. I've never had a musical

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Speaker 3: introduction like, have.

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Speaker 2: You not served it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I would like to bring you with me everywhere I go,

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Speaker 4: so you can just do that as I'm announced into

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Speaker 4: a room or something.

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Speaker 2: I love that idea and we can definitely range.

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Speaker 3: It would work for me. It would work for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised you haven't had a musical introduction before.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't think with the kind of fervor and

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Rosie, obviously, because it's the best.

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Speaker 2: Amazingly, Rosie, what do you think you're most recognized from?

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Speaker 2: Is it the Flintstones?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: In fact, that's I only say that because Roseanne Barr

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Speaker 4: had a backwards hat and she kept saying hello, it's

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Speaker 4: me Rosie O'Donnell's star The Flintstones, and I thought it

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Speaker 4: like twenty years ago, twenty five years ago, and that's

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Speaker 4: why I say it. People don't even remember that I

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Speaker 4: was in the Flintstone But I forget.

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about? I will never see my wife.

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Speaker 1: She goes for the more heart felt Rosie O'Donnell catalog

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, Flintstones, that's where I stand.

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Speaker 2: My wife is in love with now. And then was yes,

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Speaker 2: like did something to me, Coroberta. I mean like it was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the biggest one. People always say. In fact,

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Speaker 3: Do you think Dottie dropped that ball on purpose? And

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm going in with heart surgery. Don't ask

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Speaker 3: me about that road. That is respectful. I'm so bad

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Speaker 3: at that is her name, Doris. We need to go

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Speaker 3: talk to him. It was it was not Doris. But

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Speaker 4: And when I she said, listen, I promise you this.

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Speaker 4: When you wake up, I'm going to be right next

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. You had a heart attack massive,

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Speaker 3: I should have died. Yes.

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Speaker 4: Ten eleven years ago, when I was fifty, I was

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Speaker 4: And so I went over and I helped her up,

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Speaker 4: on the walls to do it, and when it got

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00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 4: totally covered, I would photograph it all and then paint

443
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: it all white and do it again. And to me,

444
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 4: you know, with four little kids, it was a glorious

445
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 4: way to raise them.

446
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 3: That with the freedom.

447
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 4: You know, there's nothing like seeing a two year old

448
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 4: rip open a canvas that's like four feet tall and

449
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 4: not have any fear of it. I always painted and

450
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 4: crafted like you, Raven, but I never considered myself like

451
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 4: an artist in that way because I wasn't trained and

452
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 4: I didn't have any.

453
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 3: Specific skill set.

454
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 4: But but after nine to eleven, I went out and

455
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 4: I bought every canvas they had a by Ac Moore,

456
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 4: because I thought life could be over at a minute,

457
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 4: life changes on a dime. I'm not waiting for permission

458
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 4: for someone to say you can try canvases.

459
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 3: So it really wasn't until nine to eleven and that

460
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 3: I couldn't throw out any.

461
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 4: Of the newspapers of the images that I started gluing

462
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 4: them with modpodge on canvases and then painting over them.

463
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 6: Yes, mixed media.

464
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 3: Yes, it was mixed media.

465
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 4: And so then there was an event and some woman said,

466
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 4: I want to buy this.

467
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 3: Could you send it to this as my framer?

468
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 4: And I said sure, it was a charity thing, and

469
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 4: so I took it to her framer and he said,

470
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: people came in didn't know it was me and said, oh,

471
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 4: there are there more of those, and so he said,

472
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 4: can you, you know, give me more, and so I

473
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 4: sent this guy some more and that's how it all started.

474
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 4: And then the person and the guy was like, listen,

475
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 4: you know you can't really take a photograph and then

476
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: paint over it and sell it, you because the copyright

477
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 4: on the photograph or the you know whatever. So I said, well,

478
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 4: I didn't do these to sell them. I did it

479
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 4: for myself. This is about how I was dealing with

480
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 4: the whole nine to eleven thing. And he's actually he said,

481
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 4: try try painting with no images.

482
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 3: And so then for a full year I just painted.

483
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 3: I did portraits. I'm so mad at you.

484
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: You did not show me any of those while we

485
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: came to visit you.

486
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 4: I know, because if they're all in New York, New York, Yes,

487
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: because you know, we came here.

488
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: Now this is the third year in this new school

489
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: for Dakota.

490
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 4: We came here and I didn't know if we were

491
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 4: going to be staying. I didn't know whether the school

492
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 4: was going to take off. I didn't know whether the

493
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 4: series I was on, which has since been canceled, would

494
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 4: be continued.

495
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 3: You know. Now we're possibly at.

496
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 4: A writer's strike and out of writers, but maybe at

497
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 4: an actor's strike as well. Yes, exactly, and you know

498
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 4: it's going to be a while, I think before we

499
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 4: get this show business machine working again in a hopefully

500
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 4: fair and equitable way.

501
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: We can only hope it is a wild and unpredictable time,

502
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: which leads me into a wild and unpredictable moment, Rosie,

503
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: that we like to have on our podcast, to the

504
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: best podcast ever. We're going to spin a wheel.

505
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: The wheel.

506
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: I love that the wheel is going to generate a

507
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: random word. We have no idea what this word is,

508
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: but once we do, we're all going to talk about it. Rosie,

509
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: Rosie O'Donnell, star of the Flintstones, are you ready to

510
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: spin the wheel.

511
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: I am ready to spend the wheel.

512
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: Spinning, spinning, spinning.

513
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: And the word is spiders.

514
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 4: Oh my god, spiders. I will tell you this and

515
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 4: this only. I do not like them. I will gladly

516
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 4: step on them if I can have a very large

517
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: size shoe. I don't feel the need like my daughter does,

518
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 4: to pick them up and carry them outside to their

519
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: happy life outside.

520
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 3: I don't.

521
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 4: And I canceled my trip to a Safari with fran

522
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: Dresser because I saw the photos of the size of

523
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 4: the spiders where she was, and I said, I can

524
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: never sleep in that hotel or that room knowing that

525
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 4: right outside there's the spider that side.

526
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't blame you, Rosie.

527
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: I hate those fucking things.

528
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: So you couldn't go to Australia really either, because I

529
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: feel like Australia is like filled with spiders, and that's

530
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: it's filled with spiders.

531
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: But you know a five star place is not gonna

532
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: have spiders. Just don't leave the hotel.

533
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: Yo.

534
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I will cry and scream

535
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: like a little when there's a spider.

536
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: So would you consider yourself an arachnephobiac, Rosie.

537
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 4: Well, I'm definitely and a rakna hate your guts, you know,

538
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 4: kind of, but I don't know how phobic.

539
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 3: I don't like go into a panic attack.

540
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 4: But you know, my my kids will always call me

541
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: and when they're kids that there's a bug in the room,

542
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: and I'm.

543
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: Like, this is the worst part of being a lesbian.

544
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 4: There's no guy to get to do the spiders, you know,

545
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: like I.

546
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: You took, You took my whole entire life and summed

547
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: it up in one sentence. I am the more male

548
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: version in the relationship. I till until there's.

549
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: A spider a bug.

550
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: Those are the only things. Everything else I can handle.

551
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: I can like this, this is the deal.

552
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: With my wife, she's like, hey, how you doing, Like, oh.

553
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm good.

554
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: How are you? She sees a spider, She's like, oh

555
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: my god, how my screaming? And I'm like, whoa. First

556
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: of all, didn't even know you could hit that note.

557
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: Second of all, she screwy, Like, but here's the unbelievable.

558
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: When I was younger, I used to watch a lot

559
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: of National Geographic and I can't even watch spiders on television.

560
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: Learning about a brown recluse scared the shit out of me.

561
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: To where any spider will kill me and eat my flesh.

562
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: Black Widow. I actually played one on the Mask Singer,

563
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: and I scared myself, although I did feel kind of

564
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: empower because nobody wanted to be around me.

565
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 6: Spiders are so scary and they're gross, and they love

566
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 6: to do up close and personal pictures of their little

567
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 6: tentacles underneath their mouths.

568
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't like those up close spider pictures have

569
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: ruined many a sleepless night for me.

570
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: Either of you seen the TikTok account. Oh, it's a woman.

571
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: She's millions of viewers or followers, but it's all about

572
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: her and her spider. She has pet spiders. Why would

573
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if either of you would just have

574
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: maybe come across it.

575
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: No, and I did see just last night a woman

576
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: in New York who had a pet rat on her

577
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: shoulders walking around and everybody was touching the pet rat,

578
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: and I thought, Thank the Lord, I never had to

579
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: run into this person. I don't know what I would do.

580
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: She found it looked like it looked like she might

581
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: have picked it up from the street.

582
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: It didn't look like a pet store rat to me, you.

583
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, I was gonna say, did you see a

584
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: lot of rats in New York.

585
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: Yes, you see them all the time in the subway.

586
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 4: If you ever go to the subway, you see them

587
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: like common as can be.

588
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: So I hate spiders.

589
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 6: This is not a joke.

590
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: This is not a lie. However, there is a really

591
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: cool interesting fact in some government instances, they use the

592
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: molecules or the molecule structure of a spider web to

593
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: actually build bulletproof vests or materials because it's one of

594
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: the strongest materials.

595
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: So you're confusing that fact with a movie called Spider Man.

596
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 2: That's called incorrect. So we're just gonna glaze right over that.

597
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: Raven is like, so there's this there's this one spider

598
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: that bites some and then the webs come and he's

599
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: a superhero.

600
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: Check that produce it.

601
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: Check it over here, over here, giving you the plot.

602
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: It's a real vider Man.

603
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: My wife is kind of like your daughter in a

604
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: sense that she's like, don't kill the bug.

605
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 6: We gotta say that he deserves a life.

606
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, no no. When I come back

607
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: from the dead, I'm not choosing something that's ugly and

608
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: obviously gonna eat the flesh off of a human.

609
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: That's actually false. I don't try and save them. The

610
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: difference between Raven and I is Raven screams, and then

611
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: Raven screams and then sprays it with water, and then

612
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: it just gets pissed off.

613
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: Actually, I spray with anything. I'll spray it with raid,

614
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: I'll spray it with for breeze, I'll spray with anything

615
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: I find.

616
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,719
Speaker 2: So then what she does is she's just kind of

617
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: stunned the creature and then it's just and made a

618
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: mess for me to clean up. So I'm like, okay,

619
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: go scream over there in the corner and I'm gonna

620
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: kill it. Just let me kill it my way, which

621
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: is with a paper towel, and it's done and gone.

622
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: What other animals are you scared of, Rosie?

623
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 4: Well, you know, a snake I don't enjoy. When my

624
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 4: kids each turned eight, they get to pick an animal,

625
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 4: and Blakey picked a snake, and we got the snake,

626
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: and we got the little baby mice that you had

627
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: to feed it, and we put the baby mice in

628
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: the just what they told us to do. And we

629
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: wake up the next morning the snake, snake has died.

630
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: It's jaw dislocated trying to eat the freaking mouse. And

631
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: that was the like Blake woke up and he's like,

632
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: it's dead.

633
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, Well do you flesh that?

634
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: Do you flush that down the toilet? Like do you

635
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: flush the snake?

636
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: No, you had to bear.

637
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: I think we had a burial in a shoe box.

638
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: I think we had a burial.

639
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 4: The whole thing just scathed me out, to know. And

640
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: then he got a bearded dragon.

641
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: I never went near that thing, either a lizard Rosie.

642
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: On your talk show, did you ever host or did

643
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: you ever have an animal person come on?

644
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh yes, And I was very scared of most

645
00:31:59,000 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: of them.

646
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: What anial are you most fearful of? You said, snake and.

647
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: That you brought on to your show?

648
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well I one time, and this is embarrassing.

649
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: There was a kid there who was a Make a

650
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: Wish kid who like had done the opening.

651
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: And I'm standing on the stage and this hawk or

652
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: eagle starts.

653
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 4: Flying and I run and I like hunker down over

654
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: the It looks like I'm using her as a bullet shield,

655
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 4: you know, And the freaking thing came and landed on

656
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 4: my shoulder, and I thought I'm never gonna lift this down,

657
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: you know, throwing the child in front of me to

658
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 4: save me from the eagle.

659
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: Did that make a headline? Rosie O'Donnell uses save a

660
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: wish stoll.

661
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: But believe me, if I was on today, it would

662
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: because the things that we got away with being human

663
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 4: and not getting canceled. You know, it's just a different time.

664
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a completely different time.

665
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: That's so true, being human and not being canceled. There

666
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: is this like line of just being a human being,

667
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: but now cancel cold. Are so ready to jump at people,

668
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: you can't be. There's no room for human error anymore

669
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: at all.

670
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 4: And especially because a lot of the people that we're

671
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: seeing like this Miranda sings, you know that girl from

672
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: the Internet.

673
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with that story?

674
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 5: Yes?

675
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: And Colleen is her name.

676
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 4: And yeah, Colleen Ballinger writes something like that. And she

677
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: was actually on the View Raven while I a guest,

678
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: while I was there, and you know, she kind of

679
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: rose from the internet. And it's not the same as

680
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: it was when someone got famous when I was young,

681
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: you know, where you had the years. It wasn't no

682
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: overnight success story or and so people maybe don't have

683
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: the best experience to understand. As you slowly kind of

684
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: gain more popularity and variety.

685
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: You figure out how to incorporate that into your life

686
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: and the world.

687
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: But there's a difference, though, Rosie, right, because, like you

688
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: just said, back in the day, you slowly rose to fame.

689
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Nowadays people don't slowly rise. There's no school to teach

690
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: you how to be famous, because ultimately, when you slowly rise,

691
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: you can make those mistakes, you can say those things,

692
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: and they're not following you around like a tweet does now.

693
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: And I feel like with people that are trying to

694
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: be famous or are famous in the social media world

695
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: that then try to switch over, they never truly got

696
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: an education on what it is to be famous. Because

697
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: we have certain types of famous people. You have those

698
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: people who are nice and that know, like, okay, everyone

699
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: is important in this production, including the janitor, including the

700
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: light and guy, including the grips, And then you have

701
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: some famous people like I'm the end all be all,

702
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: and of course that lives in every generation. But there

703
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: is something different when you rise to fame too fast,

704
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: because back in the day when that happened, you'd fall

705
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: just as fast and you're a one hit.

706
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 6: Wonder and there's something missing.

707
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: I totally feel you. I'm not the same age as you,

708
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: but I feel like we you know, we're in the

709
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: same circles, even though I was younger and you know,

710
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: living in that world or a baby.

711
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 4: You were a baby, and I don't you know, when

712
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 4: you think of all of the child stars and how

713
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 4: few of them come out unscathed, it's shocking that anyone

714
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: would allow their child now to do that, you know.

715
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that it's so treacherous a lifestyle

716
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 4: for a fairly healthy minded mental.

717
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 7: Adult most definitely, never mind a baby who's only and

718
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 7: you were a baby, honey, who was only trying to

719
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 7: figure out and learn their life around them, And you know,

720
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 7: it screws everything up.

721
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 6: It totally does.

722
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: We were talking about that today, just another private conversation,

723
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: but ultimately I was like, that's so much trauma that

724
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: we're trying to unpack in this one topic that I

725
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: don't think I'll ever get there as fast as I can,

726
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: as fast as I want to.

727
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: But I don't know if it's as traumat as the

728
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: responses that both of you have to spiders. So I

729
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: have a question if somebody came to you and said,

730
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: I have a nineteen ninety four Alfa Romeo Spider, which

731
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: is a car. Would you take it?

732
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: I would, and I would change the spider symbol on

733
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: it to like a raven symbol. Let me tell about spider.

734
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: Those pas a Corteous. Would you take it? ROSI would

735
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 2: you drive a spider?

736
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: Yes? I would. I'm not like afraid of the word,

737
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm afraid of the hairy bug.

738
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: The hairy bug.

739
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: I just don't under like. And then everybody's like, daddy

740
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: long legs, They're so important.

741
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: No, they're not.

742
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: They're not important. And you know what else do you guys?

743
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: There was a story back in the day. I don't remember.

744
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: I know I was living in Atlanta at the time.

745
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: It had to be in the late nineties early two thousands,

746
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it was a true story

747
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: or a urban legend, but the legend that when a

748
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: spider bites you and lays its eggs underneath your skin,

749
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: and then this little girl woke up and there were

750
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: spiders crawling all over her body because the eggs hatched.

751
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: That's scared yeah forever.

752
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: I hope that's not true, because I know I've seen

753
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: that show Things inside of Me.

754
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: Have you seen that show where they do.

755
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: The buttflies and they take out all of the crazy

756
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 4: crawley bugs inside of people.

757
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send you the link.

758
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: You'll raven, You'll be like, you can watch a few

759
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: episodes and then it's too much scuse if that was

760
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: inside of me.

761
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what when you see people who have

762
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: to go to the doctor because they have ear pain

763
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: and then they pull out a cockerroach or a spider.

764
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's terrifying. And the and the statistics around

765
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: how many bugs we consume, not even knowing, Like we're

766
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: fast asleep and we have our mouths open and like

767
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: a bug crawls, and it's it's absolutely terrible.

768
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: And then you have Thailand and they're like, oh, look,

769
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: tarantula juice. That's protein. Ever, let me put it in

770
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: some panco.

771
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 6: Crumbs and fry it.

772
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: Like I watched this YouTube guy. We watched this YouTuber

773
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: guy Rosie, who travels all over the world and he

774
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: goes and eats and you know, random places and markets

775
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: and he eats all of these bugs all the time.

776
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: It's it's truly a vegetarian.

777
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, And on the show Survivor. I kind of stopped

778
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 4: watching it when they were eating bugs. But the thing

779
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: that really got me was they took an ox and

780
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: they cut its vein and they got blood into a

781
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: jar and then made the people drink the blood up.

782
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: Like I'm out. I can't, That's what It's so insane.

783
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So real talk for a second. What is your

784
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 2: true biggest fear?

785
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 4: Dying and leaving my kids unprepared? You know, Like now

786
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: that I have this little ten year old who has autism,

787
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: I really am focused on staying healthy and keeping myself

788
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 4: alive and available for her as long as I can,

789
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: so she has the best platform from which.

790
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: To fly, you know.

791
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: And I just worry, you know, my other kids, I

792
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: didn't feel were as vulnerable as she, you know.

793
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: And and.

794
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 4: So that is that's my biggest fear. Like I don't

795
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 4: I don't love to fly, but if I'm with my children,

796
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: I feel okay. Now my other kids are twenty and above,

797
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 4: so I kind of feel like they're set, like you know,

798
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 4: but that I've got another decade of hard mothering to

799
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: come and then you know, onward, hopefully into my eighties.

800
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: You know.

801
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: But that's my biggest thing as I worry about her,

802
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 4: and I worry about what would happen if I were gone.

803
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: Have you found support or a community of other parents

804
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: who have autistic children, because I think that it's really important,

805
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: right And you briefly kind of mentioned to Raven and

806
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: I that you have another child with autism but didn't

807
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 2: know it or would have had them tested and didn't

808
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: know at the time.

809
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that they were very hesitant to give

810
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 4: girls diagnoses way.

811
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: Back when, and that you know.

812
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 4: Perhaps my daughter who struggles so much, you know, and

813
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 4: had very hard beginnings and it was not dealt a

814
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 4: great hand. But I do worry what if she had

815
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 4: gotten that diagnosis.

816
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: And maybe we had been able to You know, when

817
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: you have a.

818
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 4: Juggle a child, sorry, who's struggling, you constantly replay every

819
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 4: moment of what could I have done differently?

820
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: You know, and.

821
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's an endless, meaningless, you know, self flagellation because frankly,

822
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: you can do as to yourself all day. You know,

823
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 4: you could go I should have done that, I should

824
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: have done this. I but you don't get do overs

825
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: and parenting.

826
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: You know, Well, there's an age that we're at right now.

827
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: And please tell me, I'm not a parent. I don't

828
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: know the actual struggle that you're going through, but I

829
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: do hear you. There's so much emphasis on mental health

830
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: and creating an environment for people with autism and on

831
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: the spectrum of all kinds. Do you feel like our

832
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: society is actually better than it was when your other

833
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: child was out there? Being that there's so many resources.

834
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 4: Yes, there's so many resources. There's so much more information,

835
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: there's so much more research. There's a lot of advocacy online.

836
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 4: I found other parents of autistic children online, and you know,

837
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: also have found a wonderful group of women who have

838
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 4: daughters who are struggling and you know, and I found

839
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 4: that group very helpful online. Although one of the daughters

840
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 4: lost her struggle with addiction a month ago. Oh my,

841
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 4: and so this group of five of us is you know,

842
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 4: it was a big shock because we all found each

843
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: other just on TikTok.

844
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: You know.

845
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 4: And that's one thing that I think of TikTok is

846
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: really wonderful for and I'm hoping that they don't ban

847
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: It is connecting people with niche kind of issues that

848
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 4: most people don't understand. And you know, I look at

849
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 4: some of the struggles that these families with an autistic

850
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: child have, and I realize that up till now, how

851
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: lucky I've been with you know, my daughter's type of autism.

852
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: You know, there's every time you meet one person with autism,

853
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: you've met one person with autism, they're different. Every single

854
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: one is different, and so it makes it hard for

855
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 4: you know.

856
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: A culture to understand and accept or for police.

857
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: That's the scariest thing to me is when you know

858
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: they're telling an autistic person who maybe does not understand

859
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 4: in the way that they would want them to to

860
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 4: get on the ground or put your hands up, and

861
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 4: all they that happens is a neurological panic attack that

862
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 4: you know sometimes ends in their death, and that's terrifying.

863
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's one of the things that I

864
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: actually really just appreciate about your honesty, Rosie, and what

865
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: I've seen you share on TikTok goes back to this,

866
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: because you have shared Dakota and you've shared that she's autistic,

867
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: and you shared some of your experiences as a parent

868
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: to an autistic child, which in turn helps other people learn,

869
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: helps other people go, oh, okay, wait, my child may

870
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: have this and finding community and resource is so important,

871
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: and you've done that. I think throughout your career. You

872
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: were one of the first people I remember hearing talk

873
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: about mental health and the struggles around mental health, and

874
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 2: I just really wanted to take a moment to say

875
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: thank you, honestly for being vocal and for being willing

876
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: to speak the docs. Yeah, to voice the difficult and

877
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: take the backlash that some of that has I'm sure

878
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: come towards you as a result.

879
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

880
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 4: But you know, I always feel like if a woman

881
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: has a microphone in America, it's her job to use

882
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: it preach ya. And so I never wanted to hide

883
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: any of my imperfections. I never wanted to act like

884
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: I had it all figured out. I like everyone else

885
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 4: is just growing and learning and trying to be their best,

886
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 4: you know, like everyone else is trying to do.

887
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: And it's Uh, it's.

888
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 4: For me healthier to be honest and upfront about what's

889
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 4: going on in my world, for me and my own

890
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: mental stuff, than it is to have secrets. My childhood

891
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 4: was full of secrets that you couldn't tell. In my adulthood,

892
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 4: there aren't many I had same things.

893
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: Literally, secrets keep you sick.

894
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I had the same thing growing up. A lot of

895
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: different secrets, so many secrets and just ingrained to where

896
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: even now my wife and I talk and she's like,

897
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: you deal with all of your stuff so quietly, like

898
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: she's so vocal with her emotions and so outward, and

899
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you didn't need to know that. You

900
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: didn't need to know that. And I'm thinking that maybe

901
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: that's because I was taught to keep that inside. Nobody cares, like,

902
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: we have to get stuff done. Don't tell anybody what's

903
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: going on, because if you do, you're disrespecting the family.

904
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: Like things like that. Nothing crazy, don't try to dive

905
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: into it, listeners, But it's just on an overall with

906
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: the old school way of thinking. The family is the hub.

907
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: Don't let anybody inside of it, otherwise we're going to

908
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: judge you and break you up. And you know, all

909
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. And you know, again, we talked

910
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: a little bit about your childhood and history.

911
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 4: As a child, we had a sentence that my father

912
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 4: would always say, which is, don't air your dirty laundry

913
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: in public.

914
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: That's what it is.

915
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: That was, And I remember as a kid, kids don't

916
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: get metaphors, you know, My mom once said to me,

917
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: you lie.

918
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: Like a rug, and I remember thinking rugs can't talk.

919
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: I was like eight. You know, I didn't get it.

920
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 4: You know, so kids aren't that good with metaphors. And

921
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 4: you know when my father said don't air your dirty

922
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 4: laundry out in public, you know, it had a profound

923
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: kind of effect, and that was the overall message that

924
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: you keep everything in the house in the house.

925
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: And nobody says that to kids now. Now it's like,

926
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: as soon as I have a problem, the entire world

927
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: is going to know about it and don't judge me

928
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: for it because it's triggering or it's a part of

929
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: my mental health. And same with me, it's like, don't

930
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: air your dirty laundry. I'm like, why do I even

931
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: have dirty laundry? In these space?

932
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: People now use their dirty laundry for clout, They use

933
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: it for clicks, they use it for attention. Yeah, it's

934
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: become a completely different relationship to dirty laundry.

935
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: It truly is a lot of the times, you know,

936
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: especially with child stars, you hear so many bad stories

937
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: and a lot of people try to get me to

938
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: tell the bad parts all the time, and I'm like,

939
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't need to air my dirty laundry. I'll do

940
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: a couple of things here and there when it's about

941
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: mental health, but everything else, like, that's my business, and

942
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: that's between me, my wife and my therapist, like unnecessary.

943
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: And that's your decision.

944
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: And you know, I mean, I know when I came

945
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 4: out about my depression, which was really severe and you know,

946
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: quite troubling until I got on meds after April ninety nine,

947
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 4: after Columbine, thank god I did. But you know, my

948
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 4: brother did not like that I put on the cover

949
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: of my magazine my face with depression, right, And he's like,

950
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 4: do you think that when you tell these stories about

951
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 4: our childhold you that I'm not affected by this? And

952
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 4: do you think, Well, we happened to be going to

953
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 4: a Miami Soul game that day. We were in Florida,

954
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 4: and from the time we walked in until we got

955
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: to our seats, like four different people came up to

956
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 4: me crying, saying thank you for that article. And I

957
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 4: just kept looking at my brother and we sat down.

958
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 4: He goes, all right, I get the point. I'm like, okay,

959
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 4: so I'm in a different position ed and I'm.

960
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 3: Trying to put light on things that need light.

961
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: That's the same thing that happened to me with coming

962
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: out as gay, like my parent, my mom, don't tell anybody,

963
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody. This is for You're gonna kill your grandma.

964
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 6: This is blah blah blah.

965
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: And as soon as I did, I feel like my

966
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: career got better, Like more people were there, I finally understand.

967
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, well said a similar story. How A Mandel.

968
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Howie Mendel is a very similar story.

969
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: And I think what I'm hearing in all of this

970
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: is that you have to be if you show up authentically,

971
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: if you show up with your as your true self,

972
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: good things will come to you. And it's really it

973
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of this really special and profound song.

974
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: I know. It goes the itsy bitsy spider when up

975
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: the water spout, Down came the rain and wash the

976
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: spider out. Up came the sun and tried all the

977
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: rain and the itsy bitsy spider. You know what it did,

978
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: you guys, It went up the fucking spout again. And see,

979
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: you just got to keep on fucking going. And metaphor,

980
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: there you go, a metaphor. And on that note, you guys,

981
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: want to play a game.

982
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: Sure, let's do it and are gaming. We're gaming.

983
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: You guys are super gamy. Okay, So here we go,

984
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: and you do get to win something. If you go,

985
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: you win the game, you get a prize, is what

986
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm Rosie. Okay, So Rosie, here we go. We're going

987
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: to play a game. Let's do this. We all know

988
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: what a rachnophobia is. It's the fear of spiders. But

989
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 2: not all phobias are as well known. We're going to

990
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: now read you a few others and you have to

991
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: pick from multiple choice options as to what these fears mean.

992
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: If if you are able to get two out of

993
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: the five correct, you will win something from my wife's

994
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: horder's closet. That's what I call it. It's a horder's closet.

995
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: It's a collection. And actually understand, you're very understand.

996
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: You're very lucky, Rosie, because this week it's a new item.

997
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: I recently appeared on the TV program Pictionary, which we

998
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: have to do together, and they gave me a little

999
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: gift basket and inside it was Pictionary. Rosie. We know

1000
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: you're a big game night officiado, so we would like

1001
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: to send you this mostly because my wife does not

1002
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: want me to keep another game board in the house.

1003
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. I will try to win when I.

1004
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: Think that Dakota might like it.

1005
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's fun.

1006
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. First, phobia cool raophobia. It's spelled

1007
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: c O U l R O P h O B

1008
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: I A. This is gonna help with your jeopardy.

1009
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: It is is this fear of chlory?

1010
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: Nice one? Here are your choices. Is it the fear

1011
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: of vegetables, the fear of crowded theaters, or the fear

1012
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: of clowns?

1013
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: Cool of roophobia?

1014
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take clowns.

1015
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: She's gonna take clowns.

1016
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you got that right?

1017
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: Rosie?

1018
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: There you go. I want that.

1019
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, good job. Way to go. Okay. The next

1020
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: one is hemophobia.

1021
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: Is it the fear of blood, the fear of high

1022
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: top sneakers, or the fear of feathers?

1023
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: It would be number one, the fear of blood.

1024
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: That is correct, Rosie is too smart for this game.

1025
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 2: You've now officially won this.

1026
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 3: Prize. Do I get to win another prize for answering

1027
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: the red?

1028
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 6: Well?

1029
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: Yes, let's get more stuff out of here. At Jenson,

1030
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: get another game let's keep playing another prize, Let's keep

1031
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: playing what's.

1032
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: The what so good?

1033
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 2: I want to play with her all the time, literally jeopardy.

1034
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: Okay, this phobia is called pog pogo no phobia, pogo

1035
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: no phobia. Is it the.

1036
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: Fear of grapefruits, the fear of beards, or the fear

1037
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: of tall trees?

1038
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: Tall trees?

1039
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: The answer is.

1040
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: Fear of beards.

1041
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: Beards?

1042
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 4: Well, see, what would I know being a lesbian, I

1043
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 4: don't even pray attention to be phobia.

1044
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: You would only need a beard, not have a beard.

1045
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: There you go, Okay, yeah, exactly all right.

1046
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 2: Our next phobia is teraphobia.

1047
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: Is it the fear of cheese, the fear of game parks,

1048
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: or the fear of hairy fingers? I fear harry fingers,

1049
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: no matter what, I don't care what it's called.

1050
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I'm not into the harry fingers. Let's

1051
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 4: say that one.

1052
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 6: Harry Harry fingers.

1053
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: It's the fear of.

1054
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 4: Cheese, tual fear of cheese fromage. I was gonna go

1055
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: with that because French trimage.

1056
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 2: Okay, here's our last one.

1057
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: This is fine. Yeah.

1058
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: The last phobia is clinophobia. Clinophobia hm hmm, it looks

1059
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: so like it looks that looks so gynecological.

1060
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: Okay, is it the fear of small dogs, the fear

1061
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: of cut grass, or the fear of going to bed.

1062
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: Cut grass?

1063
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: It's the fear of going to bed.

1064
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was the fear of Lillary Clinton.

1065
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: What does it matter. I won the prize. That's all

1066
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 3: that we know.

1067
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: I feel like every child between the ages of zero

1068
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: to ten has clinophobia.

1069
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: I have clinophobia. I don't go to bit till five

1070
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning.

1071
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 4: Anyway, I thought it was fear of clina clinophobia.

1072
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, Hillary Clinton said, Hailey Clinton, all the phobias.

1073
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, this has been an absolute pleasure.

1074
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 3: Oh I have one last question.

1075
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: Go where'd you get your glasses from? Because they are

1076
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: the most epic pair of glasses scene.

1077
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 3: Yep.

1078
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 4: Now it's a very sad story because I am too

1079
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 4: old to read the side number that are so little

1080
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 4: that I can hardly remember the name.

1081
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: Now it's a Japanese.

1082
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 4: Designer, something like Machada Mercurie. Oh okay, that's it's two

1083
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 4: with an M an M and then a space and

1084
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 4: then another round.

1085
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to go search for those next time cover

1086
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: we'll look forward.

1087
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: We'll check it out next time you come over.

1088
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 4: I'll know where you can look it up because you're

1089
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 4: younger and you'll be able to see it.

1090
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: Thank you, Rosie, You're a joy. I have just enjoyed

1091
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 2: getting to talk to you. I loved coming to your

1092
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: house the other day. You have so many.

1093
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 4: Please come next time and we will make you whatever

1094
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 4: it is you like to eat.

1095
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: We love you.

1096
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: We love you so much again giving you your flowers

1097
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: because she's Rosie. Rosie o'donnald International star from the Flintstones.

1098
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: Don't forget it, man, don't forget it.

1099
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 2: I can't forget it.

1100
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: We love you so much.

1101
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: I love you both to come over to have a

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Speaker 2: great rest of your day.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, this was the best podcast every.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the best, Rosie.

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Speaker 3: I love you.

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Speaker 1: A mensch, a mensch. She's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: She's absolutely brilliant. But you know, we fucking didn't ask

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Speaker 2: her what she would order Jerry's famous Delhi oh Man

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Speaker 2: bagel chips or Matzabel sous.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I got to ask her little text her.

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Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure working with you. Miranda piermand may Day.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Raven Simone, Christina Pierraman.

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Speaker 1: May Day, she said my middle name.

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Speaker 2: She said the whole fucking middle name. I said the

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Speaker 2: whole fucking government name. Oh, the government really into saying

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Speaker 2: fuck today.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure. It's been a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot. I did not know about the

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Speaker 1: woman's uh heart attack situation. I definitely want to look

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Speaker 1: into that. Make sure you're healthy, you guys, mentally, physically, emotionally.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this is my heartbeat song and Kelly Clarson

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Speaker 2: come on our podcast. You guys, thanks for listening. We'll

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Speaker 2: catch you see in.

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Speaker 3: Bye everyone.

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Speaker 1: The Best Podcast Ever is an iHeart podcast produced and

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Speaker 1: hosted by Raven Simone and Miranda.

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Speaker 2: Executive producers Jensen Carp and Amy Sugarman, Produced and edited

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Speaker 2: by Jordan Katz.

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Speaker 1: Who also does our music. Executive in charge of production

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Speaker 1: Danielle Romo, producer Hannah Winkleman.

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Speaker 2: Theme song by Kenny Siegel and Jordan Kax.

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Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the Best Pod Ever, and

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Speaker 1: send your emails too The Best Podever at gmail dot com.