WEBVTT - The Second Act: Notable Vaudevillians

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History class from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Katie Lambert and I'm Sarah Dowdy and we so

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed doing our History of Vaudeville podcast that we decided

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<v Speaker 1>we'd like to talk about some notable performers. So we

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<v Speaker 1>put out a call on our Twitter Missed in History

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<v Speaker 1>and on our Facebook fan page to see what you

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<v Speaker 1>guys would like to hear. So these are all listener suggestions,

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<v Speaker 1>and the first one comes from a Twitter follower who

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<v Speaker 1>said that if we didn't do this, he would spite

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<v Speaker 1>our adorable voices. And I don't know what that means,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't willing to risk it. So we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to start with the Marx Brothers. Welcome to the Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>and Katie Vaudeville Show. Sketch one, the Marx is Grout Show, Harpo,

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<v Speaker 1>chick O, Gummo, and Zeppo also known as Julius, Arthur, Leonard,

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<v Speaker 1>Milton and Herbert. And I think you have to it

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<v Speaker 1>that Zeppo is an improvement on Herbert. Herbert Mars does

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<v Speaker 1>not sound particularly exciting. It's not very stagy. Gummo and Zeppo.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we're out of the act by nineteen thirty five,

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<v Speaker 1>but the others became quite famous. I'm sure you've heard

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<v Speaker 1>of them. And the Marks brothers were the sons of

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish German immigrants, and they grew up in Manhattan's East Side,

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<v Speaker 1>and they began in vaudeville as singers, but soon switched

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<v Speaker 1>to a comedy act. A lot of it was based

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<v Speaker 1>on immigrants stereotypes and accents, like an Italian accent for one,

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<v Speaker 1>and a German accent, and they became stars at the Palace.

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<v Speaker 1>But even though they were playing up this immigrant based comedy,

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<v Speaker 1>they surprisingly didn't fall back on a lot of quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote Jewish humor like some of the other vaudeville acts.

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<v Speaker 1>Will talk about later. Most of their sketches were actually

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<v Speaker 1>sort of waspy type settings, but there are subtle allusions

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<v Speaker 1>to relevant issues. An article in American Scholar that I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading a recounts a scene from their movie Monkey Business.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm quoting from the article. Groucho snidely informs an Indian chief,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't like our country, you can go back

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<v Speaker 1>to where you came from. Earlier in the film, after

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<v Speaker 1>horrendous pun by Chicko. Groucho turns to face the camera

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<v Speaker 1>and declares, there's my argument restrict immigration. This at a

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<v Speaker 1>time when the Patrician Immigration Restriction League had warned against

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<v Speaker 1>the corrupting influence of physically, morally and politically in quotes,

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<v Speaker 1>degenerate Jews. But well, this is, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>this politically outrageous sketch. They also did a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>um outrageous physical comedy and outrageous costumes, blonde wigs, the

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<v Speaker 1>Italian accents we talked about, painted on mustaches, anarchy and slapstick.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that was the name of the game. I

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<v Speaker 1>was watching a scene before this from A Night at

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<v Speaker 1>the Opera, which is possibly the most popular film on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've got Groucho with his cigar and his glasses

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<v Speaker 1>and a bushy mustache and eyebrows, and he keeps inviting

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<v Speaker 1>more and more people into this tiny little room with

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<v Speaker 1>quips about how crowded it is. It's like a clown car,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. He keeps saying stuff like tell them to

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<v Speaker 1>send up a bigger room to William and then another

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<v Speaker 1>woman opens the door and everyone comes flying out, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of their most famous scenes. So a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the folks we're going to talk about later have

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<v Speaker 1>really successful careers beyond Vaudeville, and that's really more why

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<v Speaker 1>we know them today. And if you're going to think

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<v Speaker 1>of one of the Marks Brothers going on like that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely got to be Groucho. He's the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>most people consider to be the real star of the operation,

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<v Speaker 1>and he ended up on Long Island hanging out with

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<v Speaker 1>all the rich people and feeling terribly out of place.

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<v Speaker 1>By his own accounts. A lot of their work before this, too,

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<v Speaker 1>had to ended up playing on the idea of exclusion

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<v Speaker 1>and of people feeling out of place. And we're just

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<v Speaker 1>continuing the theme of it. Okay, our second act is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be evelyn Nesbitt. And obviously vaudeville wasn't all

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<v Speaker 1>about comedy routines. Like the Marx Brothers, We've got chorus

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<v Speaker 1>girls too, and evelyn Nesbitt is kind of the epitome

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<v Speaker 1>of a chorus girl. She's the first major it girl

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<v Speaker 1>of the twentieth century, and for a time she might

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<v Speaker 1>have been one of the most famous people in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. She was born in eighteen eighty four, and

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<v Speaker 1>her father's early death forced the teenage, Nez bit to

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<v Speaker 1>get into modeling and acting. She ended up being drawn

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<v Speaker 1>by Charles Dana Gibson. She's a GiB priddy girl, and

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<v Speaker 1>she gets into entertainment and performance. She enters Broadway as

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<v Speaker 1>one of the florid Ora Girls, who are pretty prim

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<v Speaker 1>young women being serenaded by men in frock coats. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we actually have a line from from that act. The

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<v Speaker 1>gentleman would say, pretty, tell me, pretty maiden, are there

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<v Speaker 1>any more at home like you, to which the maidens

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<v Speaker 1>would reply, there are a few kinds, sir, but simple

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<v Speaker 1>girls and proper too. So you remember from our earlier

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<v Speaker 1>podcast on vaudeville that was a big The family friendliness

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<v Speaker 1>of the acts was a big thing. They had to be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not too risk ay, even if it comes

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<v Speaker 1>across as slightly creepy. So it's sixteen. She took up

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<v Speaker 1>with a man named Stanford White, who was forty six

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<v Speaker 1>and had designed things like the Washington Square Arch. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's a notable figure, and he supported her and

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<v Speaker 1>her family, wined and dined her and had her sit

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<v Speaker 1>on his red velvet swing and kick at a wall

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<v Speaker 1>of paper parasols. His own particular fetish it's very creepy fetish,

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<v Speaker 1>so eventually their relationship turns abusive when he rapes her

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<v Speaker 1>after she's passed out and she calls him a benevolent vampire.

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<v Speaker 1>She feels like she can't leave him after this, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>she's she's got kind of a mixed idea about it

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<v Speaker 1>though her whole life there. She says that he's the

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<v Speaker 1>only man who she ever loved, but by the time

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<v Speaker 1>she's seventeen, he's mostly interested in really young girls and

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<v Speaker 1>she's sort of starting to look for new bows. John

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<v Speaker 1>Barrymore is one of the men who's available, and as

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<v Speaker 1>is a man named Harry k Thaw and Saul was

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<v Speaker 1>a millionaire son of a railroad slash coal baron. He

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<v Speaker 1>lived in a castle over his mills and begged Mss

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<v Speaker 1>Nesbit to marry him and his millions, even though the

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<v Speaker 1>other show girls gossiped about how he whipped girls. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly we're not getting into a good relationship now, and

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<v Speaker 1>she manages to hold him off for a while. She's

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<v Speaker 1>still somewhat involved with Stanford White. White actually gets her

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<v Speaker 1>into a New Jersey boarding school for a time to

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<v Speaker 1>study music and literature. Um the school's run by Cecil b.

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<v Speaker 1>DeMille's mother too. On a side note, Um, she eventually

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<v Speaker 1>has an operation for what is officially disclosed as appendicitis,

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<v Speaker 1>and after she's recuperated enough, Thaw takes Evelyn and her

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<v Speaker 1>mother abroad, and this is where things get really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Her mother is very disturbed by thaws mood swings. He's sadistic,

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<v Speaker 1>and Um goes from being just you know, worshiping the

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<v Speaker 1>two of them too freaking out at waiters yanking off

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<v Speaker 1>table clause. She's really bothered by this, so she leaves

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter alone with him, and their relationship to gets violent.

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<v Speaker 1>He whips her and beats her and finally gets her

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<v Speaker 1>to confess the details about her relationship with Stanford White,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's just driven mad by jealousy. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>he's always wanted to save her from Stanford White, but

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<v Speaker 1>he hates that their relationship with sexual. After a second

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<v Speaker 1>trip to Europe, of Alyn gets appendicitis again, at which

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<v Speaker 1>point you have to make the conclusion that perhaps it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't appendicitis. That's the issue we're talking about abortion. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is when she finally agrees to marry Thaw, who

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<v Speaker 1>is still completely obsessed with White, and at a nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>o six performance, Thaw finally runs into Stanford White and

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<v Speaker 1>shoots him, and this becomes just the most sensational trial

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine. It's called the Crime of the Century,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I think we're kind of jumping the gun.

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<v Speaker 1>But the first trial is a hung jury, the second

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<v Speaker 1>a quits thought by reason of insanity. Nesbit actually testifies

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<v Speaker 1>after this huge monetary promise from Thaw's mother, which she

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<v Speaker 1>never ends up receiving, but um her her testimony, she

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<v Speaker 1>actually holds her own during it. The story of her

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<v Speaker 1>life was made into a film, The Girl in the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Velvet Swing, which clearly is not as innocuous as

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<v Speaker 1>it might sound, and she died in nineteen sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the favorite tidbits we came across researching

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<v Speaker 1>her was a headline from the New York Times from

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh seven. That headline is baby named Evelyn Nesbit.

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<v Speaker 1>Father and Kalamazoo objected, but mother had her way, which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the news doesn't get any better than that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. Next, on the stage, we have one W. C. Fields,

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<v Speaker 1>whose comedy Stick was about being misanthropic, hating women and children,

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<v Speaker 1>um anti establishment and quite fond of the bottle. You

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<v Speaker 1>might kind of remind you of Larry David actually herb

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<v Speaker 1>your and phusiasm, but but better. I think my first

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<v Speaker 1>experience with W. C. Fields was when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>small child and it was scarring. I was at MGM

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<v Speaker 1>Studios and went up to the W. C. Character and

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<v Speaker 1>asked for his autograph in my little book, and he

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<v Speaker 1>told me how awful children were, and I cried, and

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<v Speaker 1>my mom tried to explain to me that he was

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<v Speaker 1>a comedian and that's what he did. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>she was angry on my behalf only maybe not a

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<v Speaker 1>good character to have at MGM walking around talking to

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<v Speaker 1>the kids. But if you've never seen him, he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>very recognizable. He's this round man in a top hat

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<v Speaker 1>with a big red, bulbous news. He was born William

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<v Speaker 1>Claude Dukinfield in eighty and he was of a British background.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a pretty complicated home life, as almost all

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<v Speaker 1>of our vaudevillians do, and um, you know, some describe

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<v Speaker 1>it as happy, others as miserable. It was probably sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a mixture of the two. He described himself as

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<v Speaker 1>a brady, repulsive child, and he started his career as

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<v Speaker 1>a juggler in his teens. His act on the vaudeville

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<v Speaker 1>stage was a juggling tramp. He also went on to

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<v Speaker 1>the zig filled Follies before becoming a movie star, and

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote a lot of his own stuff for the movies,

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<v Speaker 1>but under really awesome synonyms like Mohot, Mactaine, Jeeves, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever heard May West's famous movie line, come

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<v Speaker 1>up and see me sometime. The other half of that

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<v Speaker 1>was Fields, who responded, my will, my little chickadee. But

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<v Speaker 1>Fields also fit the stereotype of the comedian as a

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<v Speaker 1>haunted man. His marriage to his wife Hattie was pretty rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Um he met her on stage and he wouldn't give

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<v Speaker 1>up his life as a traveling performer. We've learned already

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<v Speaker 1>about these vaudevillians traveling on huge circuits all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>different city every night practically, and she wouldn't divorce him

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<v Speaker 1>because she was Catholic, and so they just had this long,

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<v Speaker 1>drawn out, very unhappy relationship. He was estranged from his

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<v Speaker 1>son Claude, and had a tense relationship even with his mistress,

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<v Speaker 1>and a non existent one with their illegitimate son. But

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<v Speaker 1>he put this all into his work. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>kid and wife characters, which are never ever flattering, are

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<v Speaker 1>very obviously based on his own family. Sometimes they're even

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<v Speaker 1>named by their names, possibly in part because of his

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<v Speaker 1>loneliness and the hardness of his life. He's driven to alcoholism,

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<v Speaker 1>and he spends his later years in pretty bad health,

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<v Speaker 1>and also got the reputation of being pretty difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>work with, and that's what made his career flounder later on,

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<v Speaker 1>not that Hollywood was treating him the way he'd like.

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<v Speaker 1>He was being offered complete direct to be honest, and

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<v Speaker 1>he later switched to radio, finding that it served him

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<v Speaker 1>a bit better. But again, he was in ill health

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<v Speaker 1>and he had cirrhosis from his drinking. Supposedly he was

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<v Speaker 1>drinking a case of gin a week by the time

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up in the hospital, and any weeks before

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<v Speaker 1>he died, he was said to have been found reading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible. And when his friends saw him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was known for hating religion, among many many other things,

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<v Speaker 1>they asked him why, and he said he was looking

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<v Speaker 1>for loopholes. W. C. Fields didn't just like jin though, apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>because one of his most famous quotes is I like

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<v Speaker 1>children fried. Perhaps with a little bit of ranches some

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<v Speaker 1>blue cheese on the side, and that brings us to

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<v Speaker 1>our next act. And our next act is bo Jangles,

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<v Speaker 1>who was one of the most famous soft shoe and

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<v Speaker 1>tap dancers of his age. And he was born Luther

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson on May seventy eight in Richmond, Virginia, and his

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<v Speaker 1>parents died when he was just an infant, so he

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<v Speaker 1>was raised by his grandmother, didn't get a lot of education,

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<v Speaker 1>and started dancing at age six for pennies at beer gardens,

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<v Speaker 1>which was the saddest little story. Yeah, but he must

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty good at it, because at age twelve he

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<v Speaker 1>joins a traveling company the South before the war and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually goes on a vaudeville circuit, and his agent, Marty Forkins,

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<v Speaker 1>helps make him really famous, launch him into that lower

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<v Speaker 1>level of vaudeville, to the headliner act um and he's

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<v Speaker 1>eventually performing for white audiences, starring in Blackbirds of nine

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<v Speaker 1>and putting on this dapper, genteel front. From then on

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<v Speaker 1>he does soft shoe and tap and you can think

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<v Speaker 1>of him as one of the great dance step originators.

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<v Speaker 1>To he invents something called the stair dance, and a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of strange thing about him. He's as good at

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<v Speaker 1>running backwards as most people are running forwards. Eventually he

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<v Speaker 1>became a film star too. He was in The Little

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<v Speaker 1>Colonel in Old Kentucky, The Littlest Rebel Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was often partnered with a little Shirley Temple.

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<v Speaker 1>And he makes a lot of money, up to six thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred dollars in a week for a time, but

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<v Speaker 1>he dies poor because he's very generous to his friends

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<v Speaker 1>and two people in need. But he's a soo got

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty bad gambling habit, especially gambling on the Yankees,

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<v Speaker 1>which there was an article about why he might be

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest Yankees fan of all time. Um. But he

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<v Speaker 1>would even arrange his schedule around the games and own

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<v Speaker 1>part of the New York Black Yankees as well. He

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<v Speaker 1>was an honorary mayor of Harlem before he died in

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<v Speaker 1>November ninety nine in New York. And now we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about someone we got a lot of requests for.

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<v Speaker 1>Fanny Bryce. Fanny Bryce was one of the great comedians

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<v Speaker 1>and singers of vaudeville. She was born Fania borach In

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<v Speaker 1>to immigrant parents. Her mother was from Budapest, her father

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<v Speaker 1>from Alsace, and she hailed from the Lower East Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Her parents owned a saloon there, but her dad was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a deadbeat and a gambler, and Fanny herself

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't very fond of school. She did like singing, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and after she sang a song in an amateur contest

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<v Speaker 1>called when You Oh, You're not Forgotten by the girl

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<v Speaker 1>you Can't Forget, she won five bucks and she was

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<v Speaker 1>just hooked on the stage at that point and dropped

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<v Speaker 1>out of school after eighth grade, and her career shoots

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<v Speaker 1>off right from there. It didn't exactly start off Shining Lee.

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<v Speaker 1>She got hired and then quickly fired for a George

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<v Speaker 1>m cohen show, and then ended up with a touring

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<v Speaker 1>company that went broke, so her next option was burlesque,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is when she changed her name, possibly to

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<v Speaker 1>sound Less Jewish. Her big break was singing Sadie salom

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<v Speaker 1>A go home, and to give you some sample lyrics

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<v Speaker 1>from the song, don't do that dance, I tell you, Sadie,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a business for a lady. Most everybody knows

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm your loving mos Oi oi oi oi, where

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<v Speaker 1>is your clothes? And it's a funny take on what's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be a sexy scene, the disrobing salom A.

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<v Speaker 1>And the notable thing about this is that she sang

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<v Speaker 1>it in a Yiddish accent, but she didn't know any Yiddish.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought she, quote unquote looked Jewish, and so she

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<v Speaker 1>was encouraged to fake the accent by Irving Berlin no less,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when she made her mark as a Jewish comedian.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes on to become a big success in the

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<v Speaker 1>zig Field Follies. But it wasn't all good times for

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<v Speaker 1>Fanny Bryce. For one thing, at least part of her

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<v Speaker 1>chafed being categorized as a comic actress. That's not all

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to do. She wanted to broaden her repertoire

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<v Speaker 1>into drama and become a you know, serious actress in caps.

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<v Speaker 1>But no one was interested in Fanny Bryce as a dramatist.

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<v Speaker 1>They were interested in her as a comedian only. And

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<v Speaker 1>she also married badly to a man named nicky Arnstein,

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<v Speaker 1>who happened to be an adulterous and possibly big amous thief.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just one step up from Evelyn Nust. But there

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<v Speaker 1>he went to sing sing for wire tapping and later

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<v Speaker 1>to leaven Worth after five million dollars in bonds mysteriously disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>but she wouldn't leave him. He left her and her

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<v Speaker 1>kids first, and she finally decided to get a divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>But he did inspire her famous torch song, my Man,

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<v Speaker 1>which we have a few lyrics from it. It's cost

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<v Speaker 1>me a lot, but there's one thing that I've got.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my Man, and that's the one serious thing she

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<v Speaker 1>did that people loved. It was an older song that

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<v Speaker 1>had been translated, but her version of it was something

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<v Speaker 1>that was difficult to forget. And when she sang it

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<v Speaker 1>was clear she was singing about Ernstein, and since his

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<v Speaker 1>rather criminal pursuits were fairly public, people knew what it meant.

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<v Speaker 1>In the n she gets a nose job, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is partly her own idea of how to escape this

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<v Speaker 1>role that she's been type cast in. But she stars

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<v Speaker 1>in some more films. They flop and she ends up

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<v Speaker 1>marrying Bill Rose, and that doesn't really work out either.

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<v Speaker 1>She found some real stardom in radio with a character

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<v Speaker 1>called Baby Snooks, who was a brady little girl and

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<v Speaker 1>who didn't have an accent because she didn't have an

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<v Speaker 1>accent in that program. She felt like it gave her

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<v Speaker 1>better mass appeal. And the movie Funny Girl with one

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Streisand is said to have been modeled after her life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have to give a research mentioned to the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish Women's Archive at jw A dot org, which was

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<v Speaker 1>really helpful with this one. But that brings us to

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<v Speaker 1>our next act, which is Gypsy rose Lee and June Havoc.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the time we're recording this, June Havoc recently died,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is fairly timely. If you've heard of or

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<v Speaker 1>seen the musical Gypsy. The movie version has Rosalind Russell

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<v Speaker 1>and Natalie Wood. It's based on Gypsy rose Lee's memoir

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<v Speaker 1>and paints their mother, Mama Rose as the most insane

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<v Speaker 1>stage mother you've ever heard of, And June hated the musical.

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<v Speaker 1>She's quoted as saying mother was very prim and she

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<v Speaker 1>was tiny and lovely with big blue eyes. She was

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<v Speaker 1>endearing and alluring beyond belief. If she had drive an ambition,

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<v Speaker 1>what's wrong with that? So that's the word from June Havoc.

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<v Speaker 1>Louise rose Hovic was born in Seattle, and June Hovic

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<v Speaker 1>in Vancouver. Supposedly Louise wade Awapa twelve pounds but one

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy baby contest. Nevertheless, after their parents marriage ended,

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<v Speaker 1>mom arose saw the stage is salvation for the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Louise wasn't great at singing or dancing, but June was

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<v Speaker 1>a natural. She was on the vaudeville stage at eighteen months,

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<v Speaker 1>and Baby June, as her personage was known, was famous

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<v Speaker 1>and making major money by age six. But she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to grow up and stop being dainty. June her name

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<v Speaker 1>after she outgrew baby um. And at thirteen, she married

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<v Speaker 1>a boy she'd met on the stage, and her mother

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<v Speaker 1>promptly tried to shoot him. Um. But we do have

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<v Speaker 1>to make a note the mom also had a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of forged birth certificates, so who knew how old she

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<v Speaker 1>really was. After June got married and left show business,

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<v Speaker 1>life was tough for her, you know, after all, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the depression and times are hard for anyone. She and

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<v Speaker 1>her husband entered marathon dance contest when you literally danced

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<v Speaker 1>till you dropped, and if you want, you'd get fed.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you didn't, well, you know you were the

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<v Speaker 1>one who dropped on the floor and her marriage wasn't working,

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<v Speaker 1>but they stayed together for professional reasons. She went on

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<v Speaker 1>to be a success, though although not as famous as

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<v Speaker 1>her sister. She wrote and directed plays, wrote a memoir,

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<v Speaker 1>performed on Broadway, she acted in film. June did pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well for herself, and she was quoted in the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times as saying, my sister was beautiful and clever

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<v Speaker 1>and ruthless. My mother was endearing and adorable and lethal.

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<v Speaker 1>They were the same person. I was the fool of

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<v Speaker 1>the family, the one who thought I really was loved

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<v Speaker 1>for me, for myself. So moving on to gypsy life

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't easy for her. Either. She's not the cute or

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<v Speaker 1>the charming one, and mom Arose makes them shoplift and

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<v Speaker 1>lie about everything, so she has this very manipulated childhood

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<v Speaker 1>and it's harder for the not blonde, not adorable sister.

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<v Speaker 1>She plays a boy in their act most of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and um just a tough stage life. And when June left,

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<v Speaker 1>Louise finally had a chance in the Dancing Daughters to

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<v Speaker 1>her name, but this was during Vaudeville's dying breath, so

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<v Speaker 1>instead she turned to stripping in seedy places, But soon

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<v Speaker 1>she'd polished her acts. She made it funny and sexy

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<v Speaker 1>instead of just bumping grind. She wasn't even fully naked,

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<v Speaker 1>and she became a star and everyone came to see her.

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<v Speaker 1>And supposedly her mother's dying words were about taking Louise

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<v Speaker 1>to the grave with her. So that's the last word

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<v Speaker 1>on Mama Rose. So our final act for the show

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<v Speaker 1>is Windsor Mackay, who was a newspaper cartoonist and an

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<v Speaker 1>animation pioneer. He's going to plan to vaudeville, though, I promise.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born in eighteen sixty seven and in his

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<v Speaker 1>early twenties he worked as a poster and a billboard artist,

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<v Speaker 1>and he eventually gets a job as an illustrator and

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<v Speaker 1>cartoonist in Cincinnati, moves to New York, develops two pretty

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<v Speaker 1>popular strips there, and by nineteen o five he's made

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<v Speaker 1>his most famous creation, which is Little Nemo in Slumberland.

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<v Speaker 1>And I used to have a Little Nemo comic book,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's pretty cool if you've never If you've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen it, you should look it up. It's really surrealist.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not much plot because after all their dreams and

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<v Speaker 1>they're just these beautifully rendered drawings and really unconventional and

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<v Speaker 1>how they're laid out on the page. In nineteen o

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<v Speaker 1>nine he had a very popular vaudeville act where he

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<v Speaker 1>did speed drawings of his cartoon characters as well as caricatures.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think watching a cartoonist draw sounds boring,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah can assure you that it is not. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really pretty cool to watch a cartoonist speed draw. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw cal from the Economist at a Second City performance,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean just somebody with a transparency in a

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<v Speaker 1>pen and there uh creating political figures or celebrities who

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<v Speaker 1>you can recognize with just a few strokes. Pretty neat.

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<v Speaker 1>McKay started to play around with animation sometime after this

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<v Speaker 1>and did an animated version of Little Nemo that he

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<v Speaker 1>added to the vaudeville shows, and he followed this with

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twelves How a Mosquito Operates and in nineteen fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>Gertie the Dinosaur, which Gertie the Dinosaur was a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>pioneering film. It was the first feature character created just

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<v Speaker 1>for an animated film. Before that, the characters had been

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<v Speaker 1>pulled from the comic strips, and it took ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>drawings to make up the film, and he had to

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<v Speaker 1>draw each one by hand because they didn't know how

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<v Speaker 1>to make a stationary background at this time. It's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like how you'd imagine the flint stones. There's action

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<v Speaker 1>going on and then there's just the rubble behind them

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 1>throughout the imagine drawing that for every cell. But even

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<v Speaker 1>though the dino animation was really popular, William Randolph Hurst,

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<v Speaker 1>a subject of a previous podcast, made McKay stick to

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<v Speaker 1>print cartoons. His next film wasn't until nineteen eighteen, Sinking

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<v Speaker 1>of the Lusitania, which used to sell animation, cutting down

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<v Speaker 1>on the drawing time, and mackay died in nineteen thirty four,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of his techniques influenced the work of

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<v Speaker 1>animators later on. You know a lot of the great

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<v Speaker 1>Disney movies you think of from thirties, forties and fifties

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<v Speaker 1>are influenced by McKay's work. And uh, I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>brings our vaudeville act to a close. The curtain has clue.

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<v Speaker 1>We have one honorable mention, though, and that is Joseph Kugel,

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<v Speaker 1>whose French stage name translates roughly as the Fartiste. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty much exactly what it sounds like. He was

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<v Speaker 1>able to break wind on demand, which obviously brought in

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<v Speaker 1>some audience members, and that one was suggested to us

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<v Speaker 1>by a Twitter follower, so thank you for that. And

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