1
00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,160
Speaker 1: If I have to walk in faith and not hear

2
00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,440
Speaker 1: a word from a pastor, I'm gonna just have that

3
00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,719
Speaker 1: type of faith in like when it's a trust No man,

4
00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna literally take that and tattoo it on my forehead.

5
00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,960
Speaker 2: Welcome back to forgive me for I have followed. I'm Jessicasavetto,

6
00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,880
Speaker 2: executive producer of the Netflix series Dancing for the Devil

7
00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,440
Speaker 2: The Seven M TikTok Cult. This documentary series explored the

8
00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,680
Speaker 2: story of Robert Shin, the La based Chakaina Church and

9
00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,720
Speaker 2: Seven M Films. Shin founded Chakaina Church over two decades

10
00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,680
Speaker 2: ago before establishing Seven M Films and is named in

11
00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,519
Speaker 2: a civil lawsuit alleging abuse and cult like behavior.

12
00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,479
Speaker 3: And I'm Kalia Gray, former member of Chicina Church and

13
00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,600
Speaker 3: Seven M Films. In this episode, we are speaking with

14
00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,200
Speaker 3: former Chakaina member and seven M Films dancer Kevin Concrete

15
00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,560
Speaker 3: Davis my husband to find out what he's been doing

16
00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,000
Speaker 3: since leaving Chicina Church and Seven M Films.

17
00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,400
Speaker 4: Kevin will share how.

18
00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,480
Speaker 3: His involvement in crumping led him to the church, recount

19
00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,080
Speaker 3: some of his most distressing experiences as a member, and

20
00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,679
Speaker 3: explain how he realized it wasn't the right place for him.

21
00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,080
Speaker 2: He'll also be discussing his growing connection with his now

22
00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,119
Speaker 2: wife Kalia my co host Whoop Woop. Finally, Kevin will

23
00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,119
Speaker 2: talk about his current endeavors and how he's advancing his

24
00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,440
Speaker 2: life and dance career.

25
00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,080
Speaker 3: Justa heads up, we had so much that we covered

26
00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,360
Speaker 3: in our Conversation with Kevin, we split it up into

27
00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,160
Speaker 3: two episodes, So now this is part one of our

28
00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:52,120
Speaker 3: Conversation with my husband Kevin. We're here with my husband,

29
00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,520
Speaker 3: Kevin Concrete Davis.

30
00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,120
Speaker 4: Thank you for being here.

31
00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,600
Speaker 3: Really appreciate you taking time out of your very busy schedule.

32
00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,000
Speaker 3: You travel all around the world, so it's nice to

33
00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,720
Speaker 3: at least get to travel somewhere together this time.

34
00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:06,720
Speaker 4: We're excited to.

35
00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:07,960
Speaker 2: Have you, so thank you for coming.

36
00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:08,960
Speaker 5: Let's do it.

37
00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,639
Speaker 2: I haven't seen you since the doc came out. We've

38
00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,560
Speaker 2: spoken a few times. But how are things going?

39
00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:15,320
Speaker 5: Uh?

40
00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm well. You know I have been checking

41
00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,080
Speaker 1: on my health. I know that's something that me and

42
00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,359
Speaker 1: wife You've been like really focusing on. As far as

43
00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,880
Speaker 1: dance and stuff has been lining up. You know where

44
00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,359
Speaker 1: I want to go at it? You know, I don't

45
00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,720
Speaker 1: want to necessarily stop Crump, but I want to do

46
00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,919
Speaker 1: something that's going to provide opportunities for others, of course,

47
00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,320
Speaker 1: and just getting that lined up.

48
00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,000
Speaker 4: Love to hear it.

49
00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,960
Speaker 2: At the end of the dock we saw obviously you

50
00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,480
Speaker 2: went on tour with Beyonce. You were also starting Wildlife.

51
00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my personal brand. That explains my

52
00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,320
Speaker 1: involvement with Crump. You know, in case people see how

53
00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,320
Speaker 1: I dance, I have a world for them where they

54
00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,040
Speaker 1: could just learn from even from people that are under

55
00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,959
Speaker 1: me as well as far as a concrete fam Can.

56
00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,440
Speaker 2: You tell us a little bit about how you first

57
00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,720
Speaker 2: got into dance and what th you to Crump specifically?

58
00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,240
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, At first I was playing basketball, you know,

59
00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,040
Speaker 1: street ball and aau and then high school came that

60
00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,800
Speaker 1: was getting serious. But during that time, I have dancers

61
00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,960
Speaker 1: in my family, so I would always follow one of

62
00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,280
Speaker 1: my cousins. His name was Gregor. He was a clown

63
00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,480
Speaker 1: dancer and I will watch him secretly, like what the

64
00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,200
Speaker 1: heck is that? So the movies came out like You

65
00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,320
Speaker 1: Got Served, and when Riots came.

66
00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,080
Speaker 5: Out, I was already kind of crumping, you know. I

67
00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,760
Speaker 5: thought I was hot stuff.

68
00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,760
Speaker 1: At high school where the big old shirts with the

69
00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,880
Speaker 1: spray pain and the do rag.

70
00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,920
Speaker 4: Looking likes and the do rag I.

71
00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,560
Speaker 5: Mean tall teas to the ankles.

72
00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,360
Speaker 1: So I think that time I grew up, you know,

73
00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,440
Speaker 1: art was at an all time high in creativity.

74
00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:45,640
Speaker 5: That's when like boys and.

75
00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,880
Speaker 1: Girls clubs was happening and all those dope activities.

76
00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,400
Speaker 5: So dance just took over.

77
00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,000
Speaker 2: Do you see that there's like a younger Crump community

78
00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,560
Speaker 2: coming up or there young people that are still finding

79
00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,920
Speaker 2: the dance style.

80
00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's around the world now, Like I know

81
00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,080
Speaker 1: Japan got pla kids, and I know France has been

82
00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,520
Speaker 1: picking up with the youth.

83
00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,480
Speaker 3: Canada has a lot of when he says Crump is

84
00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,600
Speaker 3: around the world, Like that was one of the things

85
00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,520
Speaker 3: when like after getting to know Kevin getting more into

86
00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,520
Speaker 3: the Crump scene and like getting to know the Crump scene,

87
00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,560
Speaker 3: I was so blown away about how he'll be in

88
00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,560
Speaker 3: these remote places and be like, oh yeah, one of

89
00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,120
Speaker 3: my little homies is gonna come pick me up and

90
00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,280
Speaker 3: we're going to go session. And I'm like, you're in Switzerland,

91
00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,520
Speaker 3: Like you're in like no, like you know well to us,

92
00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,360
Speaker 3: like almost like the middle of nowhere.

93
00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're in Germany.

94
00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,400
Speaker 3: You're in Belgium and there's someone there that knows where

95
00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,080
Speaker 3: the sessions are.

96
00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,320
Speaker 4: And that was concrete.

97
00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,520
Speaker 5: How do you know these people? Man? This is my world?

98
00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,760
Speaker 2: Which was really cool to see because we were still

99
00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,880
Speaker 2: filming when you started a tour, and so just to

100
00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,760
Speaker 2: see you're doing this big tour and you're posting on

101
00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,240
Speaker 2: this like global stage with Beyonce and then you're just

102
00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,480
Speaker 2: with your crew and the streets of Belgium or Germany

103
00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,520
Speaker 2: or wherever you were. So it was really cool to

104
00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,360
Speaker 2: see both of those worlds collde for sure. Well, speaking

105
00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,080
Speaker 2: of the documentary.

106
00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,240
Speaker 5: Let me get my drink. Uh huh.

107
00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,320
Speaker 4: How has it been since the documentary dropped? What was

108
00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,080
Speaker 4: that like for you?

109
00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,080
Speaker 1: That experience when I pulled back to look at the

110
00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,880
Speaker 1: bigger picture, I learned a lot. I learned how many

111
00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,200
Speaker 1: people have been involved and how many people don't understand it.

112
00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,080
Speaker 1: So I don't want to necessarily talk some trash about it,

113
00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,120
Speaker 1: but they just didn't understand what was going on, and

114
00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,400
Speaker 1: it actually allowed me to learn how much I didn't understand.

115
00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,080
Speaker 1: It was a lot of like I won't say hate,

116
00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,560
Speaker 1: but I found out a lot about how dancers felt,

117
00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,599
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of like people who just pull

118
00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,000
Speaker 1: back and I was like, dang, I wouldn't even think

119
00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,880
Speaker 1: it would be this person, or I thought we were

120
00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,960
Speaker 1: like really cool like.

121
00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,760
Speaker 5: That, you know what I mean?

122
00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,000
Speaker 1: It was it was literally some dance drama. Yeah, it

123
00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,880
Speaker 1: was like what I thought. You know, I'm thinking we're grown.

124
00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,600
Speaker 1: But a lot of people took the high school route.

125
00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,760
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we got to move on.

126
00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a really big learning process. I will

127
00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,800
Speaker 3: say too, I don't know, I think even like how

128
00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,119
Speaker 3: you had mentioned how like when the situation had first

129
00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,960
Speaker 3: been brought about and then like the documentary coming out,

130
00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,080
Speaker 3: it was like an opportunity for people to essentially shit

131
00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,920
Speaker 3: on you. So like when you're saying, like they said

132
00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,200
Speaker 3: what they really felt in their heart, it's like just

133
00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,280
Speaker 3: because they saw some dramas, like oh, I could say

134
00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,839
Speaker 3: how I feel about this person. But then as the

135
00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,320
Speaker 3: documentary came out, you get to realize what the situation

136
00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,440
Speaker 3: was about, and then a lot of them had to

137
00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,680
Speaker 3: pull back, like oop, I just kind of said how

138
00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,800
Speaker 3: I felt on the inside, actually this situation is crazy.

139
00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,320
Speaker 3: You're a victim? Why am I bashing the victims? Which

140
00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,679
Speaker 3: was really wild to see like happen in real time.

141
00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,960
Speaker 2: You know, when you're only getting information fed to you

142
00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,599
Speaker 2: from social media and you're getting one side of the story.

143
00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,080
Speaker 2: That was why the documentary was so important, because you know,

144
00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,279
Speaker 2: we were hearing things about even with Kylie's experience with

145
00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,200
Speaker 2: her dance group and her kids, and like the potential

146
00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,240
Speaker 2: dangers that could provide given what we know about Robert

147
00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,880
Speaker 2: and the church, and you know, there's speculation there, and

148
00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,480
Speaker 2: you know, we were exploring that route at one point

149
00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,799
Speaker 2: to be like what is this and then to later

150
00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,880
Speaker 2: learn how much she loves those kids. You know, I

151
00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,800
Speaker 2: hope that majority of the people really did see that.

152
00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,200
Speaker 2: You guys were going through some shit.

153
00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did have some people that were like, all right, yeah,

154
00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,840
Speaker 1: that's crazy.

155
00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,080
Speaker 5: Bro, I didn't even know. Man.

156
00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'll apologize or just send some you know,

157
00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,800
Speaker 1: energy our way and stuff.

158
00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,800
Speaker 3: After the break, we continue our conversation with Kevin. This

159
00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,160
Speaker 3: is forgive me for I have followed.

160
00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:38,480
Speaker 4: We'll be right back. Welcome back to.

161
00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,560
Speaker 2: Forgive me for I have followed. Now back to our

162
00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,640
Speaker 2: conversation with Kevin.

163
00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,920
Speaker 3: Let's take it back a little bit to the beginning

164
00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,080
Speaker 3: and how we first got involved with Chakaina.

165
00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,640
Speaker 4: So what led you to Chakina Church.

166
00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,960
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go to a moment where it involves

167
00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,560
Speaker 1: me and my interest in Crump.

168
00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,680
Speaker 5: So you know, what led me to the dance is

169
00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:03,640
Speaker 5: the fam aspect.

170
00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,360
Speaker 1: And then what led me to the fam aspect was

171
00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,080
Speaker 1: the fact that I did go to church since I

172
00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:10,680
Speaker 1: was thirteen.

173
00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,320
Speaker 3: So when you say the fam aspect of Crump, can

174
00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,320
Speaker 3: you explain that a little bit for people that don't know.

175
00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. I got you.

176
00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,120
Speaker 1: So I like the brotherhood and the sisterhood of the

177
00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,520
Speaker 1: hype ups. If you look at Crump and you look

178
00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,800
Speaker 1: at how the circle gives you energy, I didn't even

179
00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,840
Speaker 1: see that in other styles, So I was like, wait,

180
00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,160
Speaker 1: why they jumping like that? Like wait, why they all

181
00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,320
Speaker 1: wearing timberlands? Wait, what's going on in there?

182
00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,440
Speaker 5: Ripping? God? Oh that's dope. You know. That led me

183
00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,400
Speaker 5: to wanting to stick with Crump, and.

184
00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,679
Speaker 1: Then I ended up meeting the tight Eyes, the beat

185
00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,440
Speaker 1: Ashes and all these people that were actually on Rise

186
00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,800
Speaker 1: as well. You know, So with that understanding, you know,

187
00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,720
Speaker 1: my passion for Crump, beat Ash, you know, just gave

188
00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,320
Speaker 1: me a call, which is a normal thing. If I

189
00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,520
Speaker 1: ever moved back to Sacramento, he would be like, yo,

190
00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, we should do some work or you know,

191
00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,160
Speaker 1: we'll both find out that somebody wants to work with us.

192
00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,600
Speaker 1: So I would come back down to La probably end

193
00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,120
Speaker 1: up getting apartment here, stay for a year, and then

194
00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,319
Speaker 1: I'll take my head right back to Sacramento. So one

195
00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,320
Speaker 1: of those times I moved back to Sack, I met Khalia.

196
00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:17,880
Speaker 5: You know, we hit it off, and.

197
00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,400
Speaker 1: Beat Ash contact me like, Yo, we got some people

198
00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,480
Speaker 1: that want to film, and you know, I've been filming

199
00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,439
Speaker 1: with Isaiah, which I already knew because I've done work

200
00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,480
Speaker 1: with Isaiah before, even before Chkaana and I.

201
00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,080
Speaker 5: Took a trip.

202
00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,600
Speaker 1: And despite the other stuff that happened at the other church,

203
00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,880
Speaker 1: I still wanted to be involved with a place I

204
00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,400
Speaker 1: can go to for spiritual guidance, which is common for

205
00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,880
Speaker 1: a lot of us, you know what I mean, especially men.

206
00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,599
Speaker 1: You know, we want to be the mentors. I was

207
00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,200
Speaker 1: brought up in that in that time. Like my mom

208
00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,240
Speaker 1: she gave me a mentor when I was younger with

209
00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,120
Speaker 1: the boys and girls clubs. So I'm kind of like

210
00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,760
Speaker 1: used to it to where I had to be a mentor,

211
00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,800
Speaker 1: you know in boys and girls clubs.

212
00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,680
Speaker 4: So and there really is strength in community.

213
00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely strengthened community. So we were invited to the

214
00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,240
Speaker 1: Bible studies. I asked.

215
00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,680
Speaker 5: I was like, a Khalia come, you know.

216
00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,280
Speaker 1: To Daniel, he was like, yeah, for sure, she could come,

217
00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,559
Speaker 1: and I think he explained that it was women's and

218
00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,319
Speaker 1: men's so she kept saying all men's Bible studies.

219
00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,240
Speaker 5: But I'm like, well, it's a Bible study, you know

220
00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:18,640
Speaker 5: what I mean.

221
00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,840
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go ahead and bring my wife, you know,

222
00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,520
Speaker 1: So we would have these Bible studies. Then I'm seeing

223
00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,240
Speaker 1: all the people that I knew, like, okay, Rain, no,

224
00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,280
Speaker 1: you got Slavic. They even told me Chez was there.

225
00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,040
Speaker 1: And around that time, I wasn't talking to Chiz. We

226
00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,080
Speaker 1: didn't have Beef, We just didn't associate in that way

227
00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,800
Speaker 1: like we used to. But when I saw him there,

228
00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,079
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, this is a good time because me,

229
00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,880
Speaker 1: Chez and Beefs just did a video and you know,

230
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,040
Speaker 1: maybe something stirring up again where we could come back strong.

231
00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,960
Speaker 1: And like I know, tight Iy's brother passed and it

232
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,440
Speaker 1: was a big hit for Crump and I'm thinking, like, man,

233
00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,120
Speaker 1: we gotta put the energy behind this movement in our

234
00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,720
Speaker 1: big homie, you know, tight eyes.

235
00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, er died, bro, whatever beef we had.

236
00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,880
Speaker 1: We throwing that out because now we got a second

237
00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,560
Speaker 1: chance to like go crazy and we got people of

238
00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:06,439
Speaker 1: God to help us.

239
00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,320
Speaker 5: Man, this is one hundred percent fire.

240
00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,880
Speaker 1: And ended up coming back, and you know, Kalia saw

241
00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:12,600
Speaker 1: me all hyped.

242
00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,160
Speaker 5: I was like, man, I think I think.

243
00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my talents to Los Angeles again again.

244
00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,760
Speaker 1: But it was something I had to risk with Kalia

245
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,600
Speaker 1: because I just met her. And then I'm like, even

246
00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,560
Speaker 1: though I don't want to move back, I feel like

247
00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,960
Speaker 1: I have to for some reason.

248
00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,640
Speaker 5: And I know you got the.

249
00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,200
Speaker 1: Baby and I'm considering her, you know what I mean?

250
00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,360
Speaker 1: And she said, you know what, I'm a slide with you.

251
00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,679
Speaker 2: Was the distance between you and Chez and you and

252
00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,000
Speaker 2: Beatash at the time because of the previous church. Were

253
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,880
Speaker 2: you a part of the previous church or not at all?

254
00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,480
Speaker 5: I was, but I don't want to say I joined

255
00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,000
Speaker 5: that church.

256
00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,280
Speaker 1: I kind of wasn't paying attention because I was young

257
00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,600
Speaker 1: and I'm in Long Beach and I'm crumping and.

258
00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,120
Speaker 5: I've been on TV bro, like I know, God, you

259
00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:58,600
Speaker 5: know what I mean?

260
00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,200
Speaker 1: I was still going back and going back or if

261
00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,520
Speaker 1: my son, you know what I mean. I knew my flow,

262
00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,360
Speaker 1: but when I came to La, I'm like, bro, I

263
00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,080
Speaker 1: would notice stuff, but I wasn't paying attention to it.

264
00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,440
Speaker 1: So kinda was the first time I joined the church

265
00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,360
Speaker 1: and like wanted to become something further in my spiritual walk.

266
00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,240
Speaker 3: What was that journey like for you in Chakaina, like

267
00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,600
Speaker 3: your faith journey, how it evolve while you were there?

268
00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,040
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, I feel like I was getting

269
00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,720
Speaker 5: taught to be an opportunist or a scared Christian and

270
00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,079
Speaker 5: I already had a problem with that in the first place,

271
00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,120
Speaker 5: which was something in that first church that I learned

272
00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,959
Speaker 5: after we left, like oh that's what he was teaching.

273
00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:40,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

274
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,360
Speaker 5: So I don't know.

275
00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,320
Speaker 1: It made me closer to God though, for real, for real,

276
00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,200
Speaker 1: Like if I have to walk in faith and not

277
00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,520
Speaker 1: hear a word from a pastor, I'm gonna just have

278
00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,920
Speaker 1: that type of faith in like when it's say trust no, man,

279
00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna literally take that and tattoo it on my.

280
00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,760
Speaker 5: Forehead, you know what I'm saying.

281
00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,920
Speaker 1: And then the word I did learn there's people who

282
00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,360
Speaker 1: do his works that Jesus don't even know. So you

283
00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,560
Speaker 1: could be doing his works, but you could put that

284
00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,800
Speaker 1: ear right back on his head. I can't even trust you,

285
00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, and say it in a word. So it

286
00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,240
Speaker 1: made me literally get back in a prayer on my

287
00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,080
Speaker 1: own time, you know, and it knocked it off a

288
00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:18,480
Speaker 1: little bit.

289
00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,120
Speaker 5: Of course. I feel like God.

290
00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,679
Speaker 1: Knew that you're gonna be mad Son, but you got it.

291
00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,280
Speaker 1: Until this day, I'm still like, I'm cool. I'll hear

292
00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,160
Speaker 1: a sermon, but I'm not joining the church, and I'm

293
00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,720
Speaker 1: peaceful with that. But it's still a journey, you know.

294
00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that's ever going to be an endpoint.

295
00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,520
Speaker 3: We'll be back with part one of our conversation with Kevin.

296
00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:48,480
Speaker 3: This is forgive me for I have followed. Welcome back

297
00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,120
Speaker 3: to forgive me for I have followed now the conclusion

298
00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,720
Speaker 3: of part one of our conversation with Kevin.

299
00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:00,839
Speaker 2: So you get brought into Chakaina from beat Ash James

300
00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,080
Speaker 2: and get invited to the Bible studies. Pulliah shared with

301
00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,160
Speaker 2: us that you then go to the dinner and you know,

302
00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,599
Speaker 2: go deeper into that community. I guess, for lack of

303
00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,240
Speaker 2: better words, yeah, when did you meet Daniel and all

304
00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,040
Speaker 2: of this? Who ended up being your mentor. Yeah.

305
00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,080
Speaker 5: I met Daniel at the first Bible study.

306
00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,200
Speaker 1: You know, he kind of made everything like comfortable, like yo,

307
00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, you can see the bros is here heard

308
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:26,840
Speaker 1: a lot about you.

309
00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,480
Speaker 5: He was a no problem guy, like yeah, no problem.

310
00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,800
Speaker 1: Like you know, he was cool and I won't necessarily

311
00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,160
Speaker 1: say childlike, but he was really quiet, like his quietness

312
00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:37,840
Speaker 1: was felt.

313
00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,600
Speaker 5: But he was really cool. Man.

314
00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,440
Speaker 1: I have nothing bad to say about Daniel. I am

315
00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,520
Speaker 1: kind of upset he ain't say nothing like brouh. You

316
00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,840
Speaker 1: can't just be leaving your phone, your clothes, your wallet

317
00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,960
Speaker 1: and not saying thathing.

318
00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,000
Speaker 5: But I had to.

319
00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,200
Speaker 1: This is the understanding that I learned. I was like,

320
00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,520
Speaker 1: you know what, he did go through way more than

321
00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:57,240
Speaker 1: I did in this.

322
00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,440
Speaker 2: So he didn't have a conversation with you guys at all.

323
00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,640
Speaker 1: He just did he did, and I was mad about

324
00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,560
Speaker 1: that because now my intenas is up.

325
00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,800
Speaker 5: It's like, why you leave? And that's all I want

326
00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:07,040
Speaker 5: to know.

327
00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,440
Speaker 2: Now, how long were you in Chicaina before he had left?

328
00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,360
Speaker 2: Like about a year.

329
00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,120
Speaker 4: Maybe a little less. I would say about a year.

330
00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,040
Speaker 2: With that, the mentorship of it all, what is required

331
00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,800
Speaker 2: of you because some people have talked about checking them

332
00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,360
Speaker 2: with your mentor to do anything. What was that like

333
00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,760
Speaker 2: for you to have to report that?

334
00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,800
Speaker 1: It was hard for me to do that. I don't

335
00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,200
Speaker 1: tell nobody nothing unless my close one. I'm not hiding anything,

336
00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,120
Speaker 1: but there's no reason to talk about it type guy,

337
00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I started it, I tried,

338
00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,840
Speaker 1: I'll do it for like two days, and then I'll

339
00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,000
Speaker 1: be going for like six and hit him up like yeah, man,

340
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,160
Speaker 1: this is what happened. Or and then when I did

341
00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,840
Speaker 1: tell him, it wouldn't even be like crazy, you know

342
00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:53,280
Speaker 1: what I mean.

343
00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,440
Speaker 3: So I think even hearing from like people who had

344
00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,560
Speaker 3: different types of mentors, because I talk about like matching

345
00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,640
Speaker 3: you up with someone that you'll work well with, they knew,

346
00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,280
Speaker 3: Like for me, it's more known that Hannah's a little

347
00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:03,800
Speaker 3: more strict.

348
00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,400
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have done well with strict.

349
00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,960
Speaker 3: I would have been more like, no, she's talking to

350
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,200
Speaker 3: me crazy, this isn't gonna work. So I was partnered

351
00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,040
Speaker 3: up with Shirley, and Shirley and I had more of

352
00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,440
Speaker 3: like a like let's go get boba, like let's go

353
00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,720
Speaker 3: chit chat, let's go yep yap.

354
00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,120
Speaker 4: But I loved the yap. I'm a yapper.

355
00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,920
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that it was reporting. It was I

356
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,320
Speaker 3: was saying things that were going to be held against

357
00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,120
Speaker 3: me or used against me or tried.

358
00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,400
Speaker 1: To which I heard in there and one of them.

359
00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,200
Speaker 1: I almost socked that man on the pool pit. I

360
00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,960
Speaker 1: really did, because I knew how private that was.

361
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,400
Speaker 2: He went on the pullpen was talking about you, saying

362
00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,440
Speaker 2: something about it was like your guys's.

363
00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,080
Speaker 5: Not it was mine.

364
00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was something that I had told Shirley in

365
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,960
Speaker 3: confidence or even not even necessarily inconfidence. So before going

366
00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,520
Speaker 3: into Chicaina, I had built like a following on TikTok,

367
00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,400
Speaker 3: and a lot of times on TikTok I would talk

368
00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,160
Speaker 3: about I had gone through like a sexual assault, and

369
00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,400
Speaker 3: so I was really a big advocate for victims of

370
00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,000
Speaker 3: sexual assault, and for me, it was child to sexual assault.

371
00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,040
Speaker 3: So I would talk about that a lot on my platform.

372
00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,399
Speaker 3: And like I had told, surely confide in her, let

373
00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,240
Speaker 3: her know the whole story. And I think like a

374
00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,359
Speaker 3: week or two later on the pulpit, Robert was talking

375
00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,360
Speaker 3: about how like it's so crazy when you just meet

376
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,080
Speaker 3: somebody and they start talking about their sexual assault and

377
00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,800
Speaker 3: basically just like shit talking people who would be brave

378
00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,080
Speaker 3: enough to share their story and come out and like

379
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,040
Speaker 3: tell their truth and like things that have happened to them.

380
00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,399
Speaker 3: And so you know, in hindsight it's realizing because he

381
00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,119
Speaker 3: is it could be because I know there's like a lawsuit,

382
00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,840
Speaker 3: so there's certain things we have tiptoe around, but there

383
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,200
Speaker 3: is a current you lost me, bro, and so you know,

384
00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,560
Speaker 3: we do know a lot of times people who commit

385
00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,760
Speaker 3: these crimes, they try to cover it up or make

386
00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,600
Speaker 3: the victims sound crazier, make it sound odd for someone

387
00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,720
Speaker 3: to speak about it, so they'll be less likely to

388
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:52,920
Speaker 3: come out and talk about it.

389
00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,919
Speaker 1: Especially in a place where you're supposed to let that go.

390
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,920
Speaker 1: It's supposed to help them heal from that.

391
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,240
Speaker 4: But I knew it off back because we talked about

392
00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:01,720
Speaker 4: it that night.

393
00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was yelling at the top of my lungs.

394
00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,320
Speaker 3: And it also makes sense to know why they heavily

395
00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,840
Speaker 3: suggested that, like I don't need to be on TikTok

396
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,280
Speaker 3: and I should delete my accounts. Yeah, that's why that

397
00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,040
Speaker 3: first account that I built I had I had deleted.

398
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,880
Speaker 1: Kalia was cracking on takes, Yeah, cracking.

399
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,400
Speaker 3: You know, I need to I really want to start

400
00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,200
Speaker 3: over and get back into like my social media bag

401
00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,040
Speaker 3: for myself because I do it for other people, but

402
00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,639
Speaker 3: just for me personally.

403
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,879
Speaker 2: It's not easy to build a social platform. And I

404
00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,879
Speaker 2: think for me being in the industry and understanding like

405
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,480
Speaker 2: what goes into content creation, it's a lot of work.

406
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,240
Speaker 2: And I know in the documentary you talked about why

407
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,679
Speaker 2: seven M was so appealing because you got to think creatively, music, editing,

408
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,439
Speaker 2: filming crew, wardrobe. It's a lot. And so to build

409
00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 2: something and have a following for it to just be

410
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,160
Speaker 2: taken away or manipulated into deleting it, that breaks my heart.

411
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 2: When you said that, I was like, that's awful.

412
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,159
Speaker 3: So in my mind at the time, it's something I

413
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,080
Speaker 3: felt like I was giving up to pursue a spiritual journey.

414
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,080
Speaker 3: I'm being told like, this is the way that you

415
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 3: could reach salvation. If I knew X Y and Z,

416
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,199
Speaker 3: I would have never deleted the account. Like that is

417
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,880
Speaker 3: crazy because she is a celebrity.

418
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, you just don't see it because

419
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,760
Speaker 1: maybe her skin is a little you know, not sure

420
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 1: of interest, but I see it, like she talks better

421
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,160
Speaker 1: than all the women dancers there, you know what I mean.

422
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,440
Speaker 5: She didn't need to dance and she was already a celebrity.

423
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,840
Speaker 1: In her world, you know, and what we would call

424
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,640
Speaker 1: it micro influencing, like yeah, micro, yeah, that's still that's

425
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: still a thing. I learned that from from Korea. So

426
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 1: it was weird you just want dancers, you know.

427
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably because you didn't know what to do

428
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 3: with you for them. It was like, this is what

429
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 3: we need, so we're going to put you here behind

430
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 3: the camera. And kind of talking about that too, like

431
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 3: the time and the effort that we put into ch

432
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,160
Speaker 3: kinda because we're talking about like everything that goes into

433
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 3: building a social media platform, and because when things started

434
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 3: to come out, people felt like, oh my gosh, like

435
00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 3: they're making them work so hard and do so much.

436
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 3: And on one hand, it's kind of normal because people

437
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 3: don't see like the type of nine to five work

438
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,639
Speaker 3: that content creators put on.

439
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, they go crazy.

440
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 3: And I know the last time one of the earlier

441
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 3: episodes we had Aubrey on and Aubrey talked a little

442
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 3: bit about daily life in seven M.

443
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what was that like for you?

444
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,919
Speaker 3: What was like your daily workflow being a member of

445
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 3: seven M Films.

446
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 5: Well, Aubrey shout out to Aubrey. He was getting all

447
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 5: the jobs.

448
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: My experience was different, but I still had to get

449
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: up to make myself busy, including the tons of dancing

450
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 1: we had to do when it was content days. But

451
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 1: we would just get up and create, especially Slavic, that's

452
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: my little big bro. Slavic actually kept me going because

453
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 1: I was over it, and Slavic be like, bro, let's just.

454
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 5: Go work out, come back, do some videos. We'll be done.

455
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 5: So shout out to Slavic. Bro. I still let that, dude,

456
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,360
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

457
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: So you know, we would just wake up and create

458
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 1: and then try to go get a little coffee from

459
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 1: that going to church or going to the meeting or

460
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: you know, or going to beat ash house, and you know,

461
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 1: we would work out, so we would spend time with

462
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 1: each other. Mostly we wouldn't spend time with a lot

463
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: of people outside me and Kalia kind of word.

464
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 5: We were doing that more than anybody.

465
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 3: Especially after we were like disinvited from Monday. That would

466
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 3: be the one day that we had gotten disinvited from.

467
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 3: It was like one day a week that we wouldn't go.

468
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 3: So on that day we would go out and about

469
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: in La or hang out with other people that you

470
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 3: knew in La that we hadn't seen her talk to.

471
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, we didn't necessarily put pressure on

472
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: ourselves to try to be around. And it was that

473
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: was from an argument me and Khalia had that caused

474
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: us to not be invited, But that was like an

475
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: argument that needed to happen. Yeah, because I was like,

476
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: you can go, I'm staying here. I don't want to

477
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: go anywhere. Let me roll my little I don't care

478
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: about none of that. I was like when she's coming back,

479
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, because you know, I'm really protective

480
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: of my wife, so I'm location.

481
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, you know, if something happened, I am jetting.

482
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: You know. Even there's times where I said I would

483
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: go to this little coffee shop and because she would

484
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: work at the house by herself, but I'll be lurking

485
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: like I had to, especially at that time where the

486
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: allegations was coming out, and I was like, okay, you know,

487
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: if she going to that house, I'm gonna be close by.

488
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 2: So you were seeing these allegations coming out on social media,

489
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: the pulpit call out already happened, So your blood's already boiling.

490
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 2: You're already on alert at this point. What was that

491
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: moment for you that was done? Ooh, I'm out of here.

492
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: There was many moments I just didn't know when to

493
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: say anything because I knew how vibrant relationships were with

494
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: the pastor so some people that I was even closer to,

495
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't say anything yet.

496
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to part one of our conversation with

497
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 3: Kevin Concrete Davis, but don't go Anywhere.

498
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 4: Part two was packed with even more.

499
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 3: In this next episode, Kevin will open up about his

500
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: ongoing frustrations with Chicina Church and seven M Films, the

501
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 3: key moments and tough conversations that led him to walk away,

502
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 3: in the fallout from his decision, and how it shaped

503
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: his current outlook on life and spirituality. Trust me, you

504
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 3: don't want to miss the conclusion to our conversation with

505
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: Concrete next week.

506
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 4: This is Forgive Me For I Have Followed. We'll be

507
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 4: back soon.

508
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: Forgive Me For I Have Followed is a production from

509
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: WV Sound, Dirty Robert and iHeartMedia's My kol Tora podcast network,

510
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: hosted by me Kalia Gray and me Jess Cosabetto Forgive

511
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: Me For I Have Followed is produced by Aaron Burlson

512
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: and Sophie Spencer zabos. Our executive producers are Khalia Gray, myself,

513
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: Walmar Balderama, Leo Klam and Aaron Burlison at WV Sound.

514
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: This episode was edited by Sean Tracy and features original

515
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: music by Madison Davenport and Halo Boy. For more podcasts

516
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

517
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: you listen to your favorite shows. See you next week,

518
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: See you next week,