1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about Wegia 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: boards a whole lot this week. We did. Uh, there 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: are so many side streets that I had to pare 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: down even in this narrowed focus. Um, some of which 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about. One thing that I think 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: is interesting is that some historians will note some of 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: the licensing deals that we JA made early on that 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: we're not to make boards, but to make other things 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: like jewelry. And there was even a Wegia oil which 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: was kind of a snake oil situation. Like this is 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: a liniment you can put on anything. But I have 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: to laugh because there's more we just stuff on the 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: market now than there ever has been my own it all. 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: You're wearing a Wei shirt right now. Yeah, I don't 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: think this was licensed, but um yeah, I mean I 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: literally have like three, three or four different cardigans that 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: have Weiji boards on them, have a million shirts, I 20 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: have dresses, I have purses, I have like compact. I 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: love them like I love the iconography of it, and 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: I think it's very fun um and I love that 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: it's a game that has become associated with the supernatural. 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: That just tickles me. But it just strikes me as funny. 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: And I wonder what any of these men involved would 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: think if it was like, yes, now we're making a 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: Wiga version of I don't know, some sereal like there 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: are so many weird things floating around in the world 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: that have Weijia branding on them now, which is fine 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: by me. I love weird novelty stuff, so that's right 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: up my alley. But it does tickle me. I would 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: love to get an antique bottle of Ego oil, but 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: I think they're probably hard to come by. Probably. There 34 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: are so many things about the Folds that I want 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah, one is that William Fold was 36 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: not only working for Kennard and then Luigia Novelty and 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: then his own company. He was also because of his 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: association with Colonel Bowie, he also got a job in customs, 39 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: so he was also making money that way. He ended 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: up running for political office a couple of times, like 41 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: he had a whole thing. He was working in customs 42 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: until just a few years before he died. He finally 43 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: retired from that job in so like, even though he 44 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: was a millionaire at that point, theoretically, if the reports 45 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: are correct, he didn't really need to keep that job 46 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: and did, which I'm like, how lucrative was that job? 47 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: Because they to me that doesn't sound like a a 48 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: big job, but apparently it might have been. Um, I 49 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: did not get into the fact that the five men 50 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: who started canard novelty, Like if you tried to make 51 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: a chart of how they were all connected to one another, 52 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: you would have to draw so many weird lines that 53 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: you would end up with like a white circle. I 54 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: think because like in some cases like their children married 55 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: the other one, and like this one's sister was actually 56 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: working with this one, and like but one of the 57 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: weird things, it's not really weird, but it's interesting. I mean, clearly, 58 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: the key relationship there was this one between Colonel Washington 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: Bowie and William Fold and that carried on generationally where 60 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: even Um Washington Bowie Jr. Was William's attorney in every 61 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: single case involving the Luigia Board. That hell yeah, and 62 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: his um his son, so Colonel Bowie's grandson had mentioned 63 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: in an account out that they would sit the children 64 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 1: down him and his siblings and give them toy catalogs 65 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: and asked them to circle any talking boards that might 66 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: be infringing on patents and then they would go after them. 67 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: So they were outsourcing their searches for for unlicensed Wuigia 68 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: boards to their kids because kids love to look through 69 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: toy catalogs, which is sure. And I'm of two minds. 70 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: On the one hand, I'm like, this is an ingenious 71 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: way to get a lot of information tackled with minds 72 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: that are very obsessive anyway with your kids looking at toys. 73 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: And on the other hand, I'm like, that's child labor. Um. 74 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: But apparently, uh Washington, Booie Jr. And the lawyer never 75 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: took any payment for any of his his cases that 76 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: he did with Fold. I don't know why Booie took 77 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: such a shine to Fold. I don't understand how that 78 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: relationship started and how I mean he clearly basically like 79 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: at some point had decided I'm going to make this 80 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: man succes ausful because he did. Um. It's just fascinating. 81 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: There is a whole side story about the Folds that 82 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: I didn't get into because it doesn't make any sense 83 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: in the Theligia story, and it's quite tragic, which is 84 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: that UM, but it struck me. It showed up in 85 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: a newspaper article I was looking at about a whole 86 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: different aspect of it, and it is about Williams sister, Henrietta. 87 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: We said he was one of ten kids, he was 88 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: the third in the birth order UM, but his sister 89 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: Henrietta showed up in a random search I was doing 90 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: as a missing person and it's a really sad story 91 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: because it becomes pretty apparent that this was something that 92 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: was really a scenario. Her body was eventually found. She 93 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: had been drowned. It was ruled a death by suicide, 94 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: and it clearly to me, again, I'm not a doctor obviously, 95 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm making judgments based on the information in 96 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: old newspaper articles, but it seemed very clearly if you 97 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: look at the flow chart of information, that she had 98 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: a really bad case of postpartum depression, like they talked about. 99 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: One of the doctors when she first disappeared was like, well, 100 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm very worried because she seems to have had a 101 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: mental break from too much nursing, which is a weird 102 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: way that they would put it. When they don't really 103 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: understand that, you know, mental things going on. Um, But 104 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: it makes me so sad. And it's one of those 105 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: things that doesn't come up in this story a lot. 106 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: But like she was part of a prominent family at 107 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: that point and it was you know, barely discussed that, 108 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: like this was a real thing. So I just she 109 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: becomes emblematic to me of like a problem socially where 110 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: we didn't understand postpartum depression at all. I think a 111 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: lot of people still don't understand it um as a 112 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: very real thing that needs to be addressed and treated. 113 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: And so I'm just Henrietta. If you're out there, if 114 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: there is, if there are spirits and ghosts, I hope 115 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: you understand that, like I see you. I'm so sorry 116 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: that happened to you. You know, she's emblematic of a 117 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: bigger problem in funnier things. One nobody you can't even 118 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: less if you want, But if you are thinking, you know, 119 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: you didn't mention Mrs Pearl Curran and the literary figure 120 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: of patients worth that she channeled to write books. Listen, 121 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm saving that for next year. It's coming probably next year. Um. 122 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: The other thing is that there was an attempt to 123 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: invent an electric version of the mystifying oracle that would 124 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: like send out electric shocks when you made connections to things. 125 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: You can see why this never took off. Yeah, that 126 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: doesn't sound pleasant to me at all. Sounds really dangerous. 127 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: So um, the robot that I said I would talk 128 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: about because it's hard to explain, and I should say 129 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: before this, I have not asked you in any of 130 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: this if you have ever played with a wedge board 131 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: and as a kid, you ever like, oh, something's moving 132 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: the board. No. Because I was raised by a very 133 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: methodist mother during Satanic Panic era, I'm always I always 134 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: have this moment where like my brain is like, so 135 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: because we are we were clearly such different children where 136 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: my parents would tell me a thing and I would 137 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: just kind of flip them the bird and run and 138 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: do my own thing. Whereas you're a very good kid, 139 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, in a lot of ways, I was, 140 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: like I was a rule follower in a lot of ways. Um, 141 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: but not when it came to things like doing my homework. 142 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: I thought that was a waste of my time. So 143 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: I just didn't. Uh. But we were also living like 144 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: in a community where a lot of people have the 145 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: same perceptions. So like, I don't know if any child 146 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: whose house I played with had a wedge board there. Yes, yes, 147 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, my family loved a little mystice loved it, 148 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: I should say my mom's side. But in any case, 149 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: the robot and I only ask you that because I'm 150 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: curious if you had ever had that experience of feeling 151 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: like the board had moved or the plan chet had moved, 152 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: and that clearly no one involved was doing it. Um. 153 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: The thing with the robot is interesting. So these researchers 154 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: in Vancouver, initially one of the things that they were 155 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: doing was they were using a robot and telling the participants, Okay, 156 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: this robot is actually um, you know, like sort of 157 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: being informed by the behaviors of another person that's outside 158 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: of this as a way to say, like, this is 159 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: how we're controlling it and making sure no one is 160 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: messing with it except for you. They had some problems 161 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: with that, and they even mentioned in their paper like 162 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: we could not scale that because it was just too 163 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: too problematic. The robot was problematic, which is why they 164 00:09:54,760 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: started introducing having a second participant that would not do 165 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: anything um. And in some cases they even had the 166 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: people that were answering the questions blindfolded, and then the 167 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: other participant would actually not be touching the plan sheet 168 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: at all, so they could be a percent sure that 169 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: that like nobody was actually interfering with it, which is 170 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. Um and then people were still getting that 171 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: higher six hit rate on their answers to trivia questions essentially, 172 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: which is just descinaything. One of the things I didn't 173 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: dig into because it would have taken me uh down 174 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: on a fairly arduous and time consuming journey, is that 175 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: because of that study they have there have been other 176 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: scientists that have have started to examine this idea of 177 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: idiopathic motor response and accessing knowledge you don't realize you 178 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: have in some pretty interesting real world cases like could 179 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: we use this to help people with Alzheimer's kind of 180 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: reconnect to parts of their their mind that they don't 181 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: they don't consciously access anymore. Um, Like, there's some very 182 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: interesting research going on in that space, and I just 183 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: didn't want to like halfheartedly touch on that much when 184 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: like I really would have, I feel like I would 185 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: have needed to do several weeks study of just how 186 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: that was all working. So if you have heard of 187 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: that and you're like, well, why didn't that come up? 188 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: That's why. And I don't want to do a sloppy 189 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: version of it. But it's pretty interesting stuff and you 190 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: can find it online, especially if you have access to 191 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: like medical journals. There's a lot of information. Like I said, 192 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: I own a lot of Weeda stuff. Yeah, I love it. 193 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: I don't even think I've ever had my hands on 194 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: a Wegia planchet. I'm making such a shocked face, are 195 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: I mean you could come to my house and I 196 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: could just hand you to a bunch of different ones. Um, 197 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: the thing is right, like some of it too, is 198 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: just um. I love them from an art perspective because 199 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: there have been some really beautiful boards designed over the years. Um, 200 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: Like I love the roundboards. I just think they're beautiful 201 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: and it's interesting to me. Here's where I really become 202 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: fixated on them, not as anything spiritual, but like the 203 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: fact that a thing that looks like it could be 204 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: as completely innocuously used. Right. It looks like you can 205 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: teach a kid letters in numbers with it, and yet 206 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: people are like, but ghosts are talking through it. That 207 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: juxtaposition is part of the appeal to me that it 208 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: is such a fascinating psychology touch point. That's what part 209 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: of why I love them. Also, the designs are beautiful. 210 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: Something that is also a funny irony tangentially related to 211 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: all this is that when I was in high school, 212 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: my mom went to a very New Age workshop that 213 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: involved a lot of these same ideas about like accessing 214 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: parts of your brain that you maybe aren't consciously and 215 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: getting communication from non corporeal right, whether it's people somewhere 216 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: else or the spirits of people or whatever, which my 217 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: mom found very helpful to her as she was becoming 218 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: progressively more disabled and like trying to figure out how 219 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: to deal with that. Uh. And she took me to 220 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: the same workshop. And it's just funny to me that 221 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: like a lot of these same concepts that are surrounding 222 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: weed to boards were also part of these workshops. Uh. 223 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: But like there was no movies along the lines of 224 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: The Exorcist had this New AG workshop as part of it, right. Well, 225 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: And that's also an interesting thing, right, this idea of 226 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: idiomatic motor response has been used in that way of like, oh, 227 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: if you can you know, access those parts of your brain, 228 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: what you're actually accessing is another entity and others whore Like, no, dude, 229 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: it's a thing you don't even know, you know, but 230 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: you know it and that's cool. Like it's like that 231 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: divide of how people are perceiving the possibilities of that. 232 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I wanna go play with my weach board, 233 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: make the cats use it and see what it's spills. 234 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I want to make a cat we 235 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: two board that's got like things like fish and chicken 236 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: on it, and they can tell me the spirits. They 237 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: would tell me what they want to eat because they're 238 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: not going to learn to spell. It could be like 239 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: those buttons we got for our cats that they still 240 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: have not figured out how to press in a meaningful way. Yeah, 241 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: those are tricky. I feel like those are tricky with cats. 242 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: I see more success with people using them to teach 243 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: their dogs to communicate. Cats are kind of like, why 244 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: don't you learn my language? Fools? Yeah, yeah, they just 245 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: have not. And I know a couple of people that 246 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: have had really good success with their cats and the buttons, 247 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: and that just has not been our cats so far. 248 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Different creatures, different creatures are different ways. In any case, 249 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: Um that is my I have now had my obsessive 250 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: Weigia week and I'm done. Theoretically, I hope that it 251 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: was fun for our listeners. I also hope that you 252 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: have some fun coming up in the next couple of days. 253 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: If it's your your actual weekend and you have time off, 254 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: I hope that you take care of yourself and that 255 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: you get to have some some rest and relaxation and 256 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: maybe access parts of your brain that know things you 257 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: don't think you know. If you don't that time off, UM, 258 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: I hope that the things you have to do go 259 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: smoothly and that everything is as easy as possible and 260 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: you still maybe find a little bit of relaxation in there. 261 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: I hope if you are into Halloween, that you're enjoying 262 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: Halloween season. I know I am at a ridiculous level. Um. 263 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: We will be right back here tomorrow with a classic, 264 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: and then on Monday you'll get some more some more 265 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: fun new stuff. Stuff you missed in History. Class is 266 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: a production of I heart Radio. 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