1 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: I have a hunter right now speaking to somebody I 2 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: have a massive amount of respect for. And you know, 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: as we talk about that moment, there's a lot of 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: moments that we're gonna go reflect on, and honestly, I'm 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: going to ask them about some stuff that I've really 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: never heard before publicly, maybe because there's a lot of 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: information out there, or maybe it's something that I kind 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: of heart briefly and I didn't want to face or 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: or work with because I know that this man has 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: been through a lot. But one of those moments for me, 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: and I've shared it with Joe many times, is as 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: a struggling kid, we had a couple of hats. I 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: took them over to a store and Joe was literally 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: one of the first stores in the world that would 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: carry my stuff. And I remember I was in love 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: at the time. I was still working in red lops. 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: I was in love with my first wife, and it 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: was this moment where I been dating before whatever, but 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking about shoes just on my I was 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: whipped baseball. I was just open. I drop out the 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: hats of the store and there is skinny looking guy 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: and that's kind of muscular. Later on, his name would 23 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: be big pun. He was guy at the front door 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: at the store. I dropped to the hats. Joe comes 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: with a baseball glove. I don't remember what year it was, 26 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: but Joe was a star already as far as I 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: was concerned. And he say, hey, man, once you drive 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: me down a block to go play some baseball, drop 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: with something, some stuff like that. And I'm like, man, 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: I gotta I got a call. I got three he 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: got three wheels on it. Listen, it's smoking. But this 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: dude is supposed to be back Joe. This guy's probably 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: has limbous E's. That's time limous e. He dropped to 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: the car and I'm driving with him, and he's like, oh, man, 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: look at that girl. Don't look at that girl. Don't 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: look that girl. And I'm like, and I'm just driving 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: because I'm whipped right. This is this is this is 38 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: when I'm like, yo, I'm gonna marry this Dominican girl 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: that I know any red mass And then he stopped, saying, 40 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: oh man, you okay. I said, what was up? He said, 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: you ain't even looking any place that I'm talking about. 42 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if he was saying, hey, am 43 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: I I don't know, I don't find girls attractive or 44 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: am I so focused I can't even look around, But 45 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: he like kind of played me in the car. But 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: then it was that moment that I went home and 47 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to marry this woman. I think 48 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: Joe brought it to my attention in a very Joe 49 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: way that you're focused, because all I was doing was 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: thinking about that woman. So thank you Joe for being 51 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: here with me. 52 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: Brother, my brother, Thank you man. 53 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: You know Tim flies man, and I'm proud of you 54 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: and everything you've done and everything you've accomplished and everything 55 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: you've done to accomplish. So you know that's you know, 56 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 3: I'm glad to enjoy this journey of life with you. You 57 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying as brothers and friends and comrades. 58 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it has been we don't see each other as 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: much as we would like to, and sometimes we were passing. 60 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: But you know, we're going to get right into this 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: because we can talk three hours and maybe we'll do 62 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: one hour here and one hour on your joint, one 63 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: hour and somebody else has joined about our history of 64 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: First of all, you being one of the most solid 65 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: dudes in the industry, you never acting fun. You've given 66 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: me breaks and various other ways. Hopefully I've supported you. 67 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: But we're going to go into something man. And as 68 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: we talk about that moment, you know, people know the 69 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: public Joe, they know the laughter, the love, the breaking 70 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: it down, the vulnerability Joe. But I just saw this 71 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: and I didn't know that there was a time of 72 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: your life where you lost And we've all lost a 73 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: lot of people, but the was a time in your 74 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: life where you lost two very very special people. One 75 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: publicly we know who was Big Pung God God us dead, 76 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: and you lost your sister. Now can you tell us, 77 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: because this is the first time I'm hearing and maybe 78 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: you've talked about publicly what happened and how did you lose? 79 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: Was your sister? 80 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: Well, it was actually big Prime, my sister and my 81 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 3: grandfather in like a whole, like a week or two, 82 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: and so it was so overwhelming. My sister was giving 83 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 3: birth and she was perfectly healthy, but she was going 84 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: through a lot of pain. And in the South Bronx 85 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: they used a lot of students and not you know, 86 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: real doctors to deliver these babies. And so they gave 87 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: an epidoro, which is supposed to number her from the 88 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: waist down and then numbered the place up, and so 89 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: a lack of oxygen to the brain. She got into coma. 90 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: Then they put it in an assistant living. So it 91 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 3: was really really hard going to see my sister for 92 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: eight months. She was in a state like she was 93 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 3: a vegetable. Seeing my mother go through the pants and 94 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: my father go through the pain, and then at the 95 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: same time, out of nowhere, just losing Big Pond. Big 96 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: Pom was my best friend. He meant so much to us, 97 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 3: not just as a brother, but as an icon for 98 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 3: the hip hop community, and so that you know, it's 99 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 3: one thing when you're going through some depression of something, 100 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: you going through it under the radar. It's another thing 101 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: when people think they're helping you stop at the light, 102 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 3: B B beep, sorry for your brother. 103 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: You know, you go eat a meal. 104 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: Sorry about your brother. Such. 105 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: So there was no way to escape. 106 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: That pain. 107 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: Same thing with my grandfather died around the same time, 108 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: and so all of this trauma just it forced me 109 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: to go into a dark place and and so I 110 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: seek help. 111 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: You know, I had help. 112 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 3: I went to a therapist for two years straight, and 113 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: I was depressed for two years. So I would wake 114 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: up and the sky it could be a sunny day 115 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: like it is today in New York, and it would 116 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: look cloudy and dark, and I'd be jealous if my 117 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: wife came downstairs and smelled good and was going with 118 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: her girlfriends they eat lunch. You know, I really went 119 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: through it. Prior to that, I never drank. I drank 120 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: so much I ballooned into like five hundred pounds. You know. 121 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 3: I was losing a bunch of friends, was losing respecting 122 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: business because I wasn't on my game. And so it 123 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: was a real tough time for me. But it taught 124 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: me a lot in life. It took me two years. 125 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 3: I remember one night we were doing the Rest in Peace 126 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: big punt wall in the Bronx like a graffiti war 127 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 3: graffiti artist. 128 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: So every year we changed this muror the task group. 129 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: And so we was out there in middle of the 130 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: night just painting, and two guys walked by. I owe 131 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: these guys so much money, David. Two guys walk about 132 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: one and one guy said, Yo, what they doing And 133 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 3: the other guy was like, Oh, they're doing a big 134 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: pun ball. 135 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: He was like, they're doing a big punt. 136 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: He said, they do it every year, and he was 137 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: like every year, he said, hasn't really been that long since, 138 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: pundt He said, yeah, two years, and out of nowhere 139 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: it just said two years, two years and two years 140 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: two years. 141 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: And so all of the feeling guilty. 142 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: What if I could have did something for pun What 143 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: if I could have stopped them from eating like that 144 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: or being unhealthy? All that just it just I just 145 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: looked at myself like a mirror. They just said, yo, Joe, 146 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: you gotta let it go. It's been two years. And 147 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: from that moment on, you know, I just came back 148 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: to regular life. 149 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: But you know, Joe during that time, and it's hard 150 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: for anybody to get over. One loss was the city. 151 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: Was she your younger sister or she. 152 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: Was like one year older than me. She was perfectly 153 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: healthy too, she lost the baby as well as she 154 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: passed away. And so you know you you started off 155 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: saying you was once deeply in love with a Dominican girl. 156 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: Right, he's no longer your girl. Right. 157 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 3: What people have to understand is when you got a 158 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: sister that your ride or die, your sister, that's the 159 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: one who's. 160 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: Supposed to go all away with you. And so I 161 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: lost it. 162 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: You know, it was a vulnerability in life that I lost, 163 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 3: the one sister I had that would hold me down 164 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: when we're old and gray, you know. 165 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: Uh so it was it was very painful. 166 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: What and of course it's very hard to lose people 167 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: like that through that two years of the darkness. And 168 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: how did that affect you in regards to like you 169 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: gain weight, how your career because I think at that time, 170 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: like Napster and all these things were coming out you 171 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: the industry was changing, and you're an artist. You know, 172 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: people starting to have musical beefs with each other. I mean, 173 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: it was it was just everything was imploding, you know, 174 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: planes crashing in the buildings in New York City and 175 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: probably hearing of other loss How most people, a lot 176 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: of people would have never come out of that. What 177 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: even though he said to you, what did you have? 178 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: Anything you leaned on at least gave you light during 179 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: that time? A song? Let mean, you know, maybe there 180 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: was a song out of something and you focused on the. 181 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: Power of prayer. 182 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 3: And I praised so much to God, so much to 183 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: God to take me out of this depression. Also, Big 184 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 3: Point I had discovered him and mentored him. Executive produced 185 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: him assigning to my label. But the truth is he 186 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: was a hundred times better than me. So the streets 187 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: were talking. My closest friends, people I love since kindergarten, 188 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: were saying, you know, it's over for Joe. Uh, he 189 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: can't do it by himself. He had pun punt passed away. 190 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 3: So there was a lot of doubt and to me, 191 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: the best, the best revenge and success. And so a 192 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 3: lot of people let me down and gave up on 193 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: me and counted me out. And so you know, with 194 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: the power of prayer and just a determination of will, 195 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: of relentlessness to never give up and believe in myself, 196 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: you know, I never forget. When they were all saying 197 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: that it's over for fat Joe, I went to Jacob 198 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: to Jeweler and I spent like three four thousand dollars 199 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: on the biggest Telesquad chain. Knowing that everybody thought he'd 200 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: be broken one day. You know, it's over for Joe. 201 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: I went to really show them. I went and got 202 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 3: a TS chain. There was as big as a serial 203 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: box with dinond we here to stay and uh and 204 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: I and I often and always love to bet on myself. 205 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: And you know that's. 206 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: That that's that entrepreneurial. 207 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,239 Speaker 3: Oh and I've always been a boss since I was fourteen, 208 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 3: and so I've always been an entrepreneur. I've always believed 209 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 3: in myself, never had a problem with reinvest investing in myself. 210 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: And uh, and so that was that was that time 211 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: right there where I had to find myself and come 212 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 3: through the light and show everybody that I was capable 213 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 3: of doing it. 214 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Did yeah, that that that the loss of at that 215 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: time in your life and either have a couple of 216 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: uh effects on you because I know you're being a 217 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: very loving person. I don't know how you are, you know, 218 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: necessarily with the with the family. But did you find 219 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: what you know not families give me friends and stuff? 220 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: Did you find that after that you didn't want to? 221 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: Because there could be two ways. It could be I 222 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: don't want to get close to people anymore because I 223 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: lost Pa and I lost my sister, I lost my grandfather. 224 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: Like the loss of that lead me in an open 225 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: shell and no matter how much I love somebody, I 226 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: don't want to lose them again and feel this feeling. 227 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: Or did you say, man, I got to double down 228 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: on who I love because you know, this thing happens 229 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: so quick because a lot of people right now have 230 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: been through loss who are listening to this and they 231 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: either want to protect themselves. They got to find the 232 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: best way to survive, or do they become even more 233 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: more vulnerable. You know, well a last for. 234 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: Me human nature and people have letting me down during 235 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: the years. You know, a lot of friends I believe 236 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 3: to be my friends caught them stealing. You know, the 237 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: biggest betrayal in the world is when your real friend brother. 238 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: You know, you treat people like blood, like family, and 239 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: you catch them do harmful things to you. And so 240 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: you know from artists, you know, you discover somebody, so 241 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: think about it. Born by yourself, you become successful. God 242 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: gives you an opportunity to discover somebody and put them 243 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: in the game and use all your relationships that you 244 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: have and make them superstars. And then they turn around 245 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 3: and look at you and say, you never did nothing 246 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: for me, Right, These things just constantly happened to me 247 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: in my life where I'm very guarded on the who 248 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: I truly love and who I let in my life 249 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 3: like that twenty twenty three. Prior to that, I thought 250 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: everybody loved everybody. I thought everybody cared about everybody. I 251 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: thought everybody. 252 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: Could do anything for you. 253 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: So I was very vulnerable and very gullible when it 254 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 3: came to One of the worst things you could do 255 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: is think that everybody thinks the same way as you. 256 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: You know, I really thought that at one time. 257 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: I really thought it was friends to the end, you know, 258 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: that type of thing, you know, Lloyd with everything, and 259 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: so it's been proven. 260 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I have some. 261 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 3: Day ones that are loyal to me, but it's been 262 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: proven more than disloyalty. The layercy employ. 263 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: Well, how do you differentiate that? Because you've been able 264 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: to move throughout the world from you know, from an 265 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: author too, I see you. You know, you started off 266 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,359 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, help people in the pandemic broadcasting, 267 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: and now you know, people writing stories about you and 268 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: you're going over to you know, You've just been able 269 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: to transition and move so fluidly, and generally only people 270 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: that can move fluidly through situations like that are people 271 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: who are They're very giving, right, and people love them. 272 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: And when you walk in a room, people love you, 273 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of people very literal, like my wife 274 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: is literal. She's like I either like you or not 275 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be in between and she come in 276 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: the room and she don't like you. She ain't gonna 277 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: say nothing bad to you, but she ain't gonna be 278 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: that entity that you are HOTI for all the people 279 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: listening right now, Like, how would you be able to 280 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: tell them you can be have that energy but yet 281 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: not give to you much of yourself but still be 282 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: the one making people feel good even though they may 283 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: stab you in the back. How do you do that? 284 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: How do you master that tight rope? 285 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: Me personally? You know, I grew up very, very poor, 286 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: and I attribute everything that I have, every way of being, 287 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 3: to my mother. You know, back in the days, we 288 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: used to take taxi cabs and my mother would it 289 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: would be a two dollars cab and she would give 290 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: the guy five dollars and the tip would be three dollars. 291 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: But we barely even knew if we had bread, and 292 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: so she was always given. 293 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: It's a classic story. 294 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: You know. 295 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: My mother used to work in a number spot, so 296 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: before there were a lottery, the hood had these number 297 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: spots where people could go gamble. And people would go 298 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: there and they would gamble and they would make a 299 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: couple of dollars or whatever the case may be. So 300 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: my mom was the number lady and one time one 301 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: of her best friend's sons, I'll never forget him. It 302 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: was a kid named Rollo. He stuck my mother up, 303 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: he robbed her, and he took her money and all this. 304 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 3: I was maybe five years old and I heard all 305 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: this chat up, you know, throughout the family, and yo, 306 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: you believe such and such son rob ruby and big talk. 307 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: The very next day, I saw the kid in my 308 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: house and my moms were serving them a plate of food. 309 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: And so I come from that, I come from with 310 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: my mother was so I told my mother, isn't this 311 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: the guy that robbed you? And she was like, yeah, 312 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 3: but he's on drugs and you don't understand. 313 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: And like, you know he's I know, he's a kid, 314 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 2: you know. 315 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: My mom's No matter how you could picture this, no 316 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: matter how successful I was, like I was already platinum, 317 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 3: I was already rich. 318 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: We refuse to move out the projects. Refused like she. 319 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: Would not nice to beg up, mom, Please let me 320 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 3: get you a house, let me get you something. 321 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 2: She would just stay in the projects. 322 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: And when I would randomly pull up in my mother's house, 323 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: and I go to the house, the door's wide open. 324 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: I go to the kitchen. There's kids that's you know, 325 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: really crackheads making sandwiches in my house. And I'd be like, yo, Mom, 326 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: what's up with this? She Oh, that's the litle Johnny. 327 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 3: That's you know, I knowing my whole life. So I 328 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 3: always came from a giving background, and so with me, 329 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: I always feel as if God has blessed me so 330 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: much that it's only right for me to give, for 331 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 3: me to do philanthropy, for me to give back, for 332 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 3: me to be available for my community. So no matter 333 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 3: how many people let me down, it's always in my 334 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: spirit to give back and take care of the community. 335 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: And and God bless Similarly, she said, with us, yeah, 336 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: she's with us. Good, the good good. Now I'm not 337 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: this have told us that. But as as people will 338 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: want to reach for success, and we look at things 339 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: like the nipsey hustles of the world and the barriers 340 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: of the you know, people who have stayed in the 341 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: community always wanting to give back, and you work so 342 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: hard to not get out of the community but make 343 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: life better for yourself. And as you do that, you know, 344 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: of course it creates a lot of jealousy, or people 345 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: just don't understand and they have not Sometimes they're like 346 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: the first target. They're going to go for the halves. 347 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: It's not even that that they don't even want to 348 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: they don't even intend to do that, but they just need. 349 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: Right at what point do you do you say I 350 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: can't I can give to this community, but I can't 351 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: live here, or I can live here, but I can't give, 352 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: because then once I do that, the ones who don't have, 353 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, say what's up? And where do you draw 354 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: the line? If you I don't even know if you 355 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: have an answer for. 356 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: That, I do. 357 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: Oh. You know, our own several businesses in the hood 358 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: South Bronx hallm Washington Heights. We built a classroom in 359 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: my store in the South Bronx and we have an 360 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: after school program where the kids have access to computers. 361 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 3: At the end of the semester, we give them the computers. 362 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 3: We have mentors come and talk to them. I looked 363 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: at my businesses as like a hug and so I 364 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 3: refuse to run away from the hood. And I also 365 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 3: I look at it as passing a baton of hope. 366 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: Now, if you do something to fact Joe in the hood. 367 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: Who's the only guy who gives food to the people, 368 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: gives computers to the people responsors. 369 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: Shame on you. 370 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: And it's been a passion of mine in my whole 371 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: life that people could still no matter how affluent we get, 372 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: how successful we get, people have a direct line to 373 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: Fat Joe. They could walk in my store and if 374 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 3: they're a pastor of the church, there's somebody from the 375 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: community that wants to see Joe. They'll get Joe on 376 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: FaceTime and be like, all right, hold up, here he goes. 377 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: And I love that because you know, in the past 378 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 3: and then and you're right, you know, something happens to 379 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 3: fat Joe, they like, shame on him. He could have 380 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 3: been in Beverly Hills, could have been Oh, you know, 381 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 3: he didn't have to be here. Obviously, I don't live 382 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 3: in the hood. I live in a beautiful neighborhood in Jersey. 383 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 3: But I like to provide opportunity and jobs and hope 384 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: for our people to let him know that we don't 385 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: have to run away, that we can invest in our community. 386 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 3: You know, it's not really your community if you're living 387 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: in the black and brown community, and when you go 388 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 3: to the store, the person behind the cash register is 389 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: never black and brown and so right, And so that's 390 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: how I choose to reinvest in my community. 391 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: And I think that, I mean, listen, you're a legendary 392 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: for doing it, and I just think that, you know, 393 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: maybe it's because you're so loved that whoever comes up 394 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: with something you know crazy, you know somebody else checks up. 395 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: So why don't we switch Gars for man, we know 396 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: we're in the fiftyth anniversary hip hop the s to 397 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: talk about. 398 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: It be a little firm fact real quick. And yeah, 399 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: it's not bragging because unfortunate. This is a sad situation. 400 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 3: But when they had the uprisings in the streets and 401 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 3: they was looting the businesses, there's two hundred and seventy 402 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 3: seven sneaker stores in New York City. They looted two 403 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five. The only two that didn't get 404 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 3: looted in the whole New York City was Fat Joe's stores. 405 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 3: And that's not because Fat tougher than nobody. It's because 406 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 3: I take the community and they said not here. They 407 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: stand in front of this store and set it's not 408 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: gonna happen in this right here, And so uh, I 409 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 3: feel like you can make money in the community, but 410 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 3: you have to also have a presence and let them 411 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 3: know that you're giving back to the community. I'm sorry 412 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 3: for cutting you off about. 413 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: The No, that's the first Nah, you know, I want 414 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: I want to hear them that is not that is 415 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: not brighton, that is that is a bad honor. And 416 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: like you said, we said, yah, I'm tough. I mean 417 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: we obviously Listen, when you get to a level of 418 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: we're at, a lot of people say, you know, you 419 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: may have lost the hood of this and that. When 420 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: you have money, you can hire anybody you want to 421 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: hold the hammer if you want, right, and that's not 422 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: necessarily going to be the need. So like you know, 423 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: people will be like, oh, you know, listen, you don't 424 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: want to do you want to mess with Bill Gates. 425 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: He can hire somebody to to take a battleship to 426 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: your ass. So so it's never about making money and 427 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 1: you can't keep it real. But the more important part 428 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: about keeping it real you are people people will mess 429 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: with you and you don't need that stuff. You got 430 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: people who will say this is Joe and don't do 431 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: this to our community because he's so you know, he's 432 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: so loved and so as we talk about the anniversary hipot, 433 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't even know're going to get into that. I 434 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: want to know because coming up in Queens, when I'm 435 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: driving down the block, when I was broke, it was 436 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: rising to the top that I kept saying, Man, I'm 437 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: gonna make it right. Or it was some Bob Molly's 438 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: song though We're Jamming by Stevie Wonder when you were 439 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: coming up in any part of your life, was there 440 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: a song or a certain moment that it just made 441 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: you wander off and say things gonna be all right? 442 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: Or I have asked racis I'm gonna get this? Or 443 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let hold me back. 444 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: There's so many. 445 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: I mean, my record All the Way Up was a 446 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 3: record of triumph hours. 447 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: I was all the way down. 448 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 3: I went to prison for taxes and found a way 449 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: to make a song that uplifts everybody who says nothing 450 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 3: could stop me. I'm all the way up. 451 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: But to answer your. 452 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: Question, there's several souls. Right. Of course, it's always we 453 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: are family with me, you know? That was that was 454 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 3: That was the family all thing. And I could tell 455 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: you my favorite hip hop record of all time is 456 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: from uh rest in Peace biz Monkey and it was 457 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 3: the Vapors. So I grew up so poor and so 458 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: it was four of us and my mother. If I 459 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: wanted to Vbama, she get it from me. But four 460 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: years after it was the stop Like that's true. When 461 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: Swaye Pumas got played out, that's when I got my 462 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 3: Swaye Pumas. 463 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: But she made she made on a promise. So the Vapists. 464 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: I would drive around when I was in the streets hustling, 465 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 3: and I got my first BMW. I would drive about 466 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: two miles per hour and blast the stereo and it be. 467 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: Like noon to noon. 468 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: They caught the vapist my favorite hip hop record of 469 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 3: all time. 470 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 2: Oh and and I'll give you another one. 471 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: Uh. The third was we are family and I know 472 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 3: there's any things that held us down? 473 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: I finally did it. 474 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you. 475 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 3: Accident it going. 476 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: They don't know, Wow, I don't know. 477 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: You know. 478 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: I used to watch Muhammad Ali come into the ring 479 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 3: with that song like that was that's the official. I 480 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 3: think that's the official, like black Spiritual Upliftments song of 481 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: all time, right, you know? Uh? 482 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: And so that that that song is so. 483 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 3: Powerful and that that's a song that it gets you 484 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: going and just. 485 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: Can I let me let me dig on, let me 486 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: dig in on those a little bit for a second. 487 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: So because if I look at those songs, there are 488 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: three elements to the song, right, ain't no stopping us now? 489 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: By mcfann and the white Head. We are family, sister 490 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: slurrier than baby by Biz who I think you even 491 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: named your dog or something like that, have the biz right? 492 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, my dog is called mark Man. 493 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: It's my son. 494 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: So we are family. Did you were you like? You know? 495 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: Because when I think of that song, were family? I 496 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: think about cleaning up the house and doing my chores 497 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: on a Saturday and Sunday, mom cooking, and you know, 498 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: people coming in and out of the house, the doors 499 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: open wide open, people stopping by, and you're just feeling 500 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: good about it. You're not even thinking about the song 501 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: at the moment. You just in that moment. Was that 502 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: how it was for you? Because I think we're around 503 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: the same age. 504 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: No, that's exactly what it is. 505 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: Uh. 506 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: I remember my mom's, my aunts on Saturdays, cleaning, cooking. Uh, 507 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 3: they used to love this. Uh this song. 508 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: I will survive. 509 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: Gloria Gaina. 510 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 3: Oh now, no walk out the door your Oh my god, this. 511 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: Is the uh the guy haters anthem of walltop Yea. 512 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 3: In my house it was I don't know what type 513 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: of stuff my father was into, but it was ringing 514 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 3: off in that house like that would play twenty times, 515 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 3: Gloria Gaina, I will survive. Yeah, but you're right, you 516 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: hit it on the head. That's the family anthem on 517 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 3: a Saturday when they cleaning. 518 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: Ah. And then but let's lets let's pay, let's let's 519 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: pay the movie. Let's pay the movie though far. But 520 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: ain't no stopping us now, because my understanding that we're 521 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: the same age is I'm walking into the pipe. The 522 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: fire hole is busted open, right, the kids are playing, 523 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: the food is are and I'm walking into a block 524 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: part and I'm hearing it ain't no stopping us now. 525 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: And it is a nice day in July, and New 526 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: York City is bright. Miss. The softee is right there 527 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: on the corn, and it's right before it get dark, 528 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: because you know, when it get dark, it may you know, 529 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: it may start popping off. And you are just seeing 530 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: every whether you ain't see it no long time if 531 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: it's on the block. Plus you're seeing all the people 532 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: you have seen the past. The moms they making cupcakes, 533 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: they're all bringing food out and they're playing eight no 534 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: stopping us now, and it's like they ain't care in 535 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: the world. So they were out there playing dominos and cars? 536 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: Is that the movie? 537 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 3: You have to that is exactly the same movie? And 538 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: you know, I'll tell you something that's a little bit 539 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 3: too real. You know, before Instagram and before the internet. 540 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: You know, my father's Cuban, right, So my father always 541 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 3: traveled back to Cuba, and I would ask him how 542 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 3: is it in Cuba, because you know they most people 543 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: are pour over there. If you don't have family over 544 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: here that sends you money over there, you're poor. And 545 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 3: he would be like, it's poor, it's whatever. But they 546 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: still having a good time because they don't know what 547 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 3: they're missing. 548 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: And so what we had in the Bronx. 549 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 3: Was just such a sense of community that we did 550 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: not know if we didn't have nothing to eat, the 551 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: lady next door would give us some poor chops. 552 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: They'll give us some chicken wings. 553 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: We loved each other as a community, so it ain't 554 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 3: no stopping us now. Had us all like, you know, 555 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: we laughing at people's uncle who's drunk. We just this, 556 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: but it was love and we didn't know what we 557 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 3: were missing. We just didn't. Now it's a bigger problem. 558 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 3: This is where they start talking about mental illness. And 559 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 3: watch your kids with our social media because now you know, 560 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 3: I'm broke. They got it and how do I get 561 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 3: And so that's the difference with social media doesn't let 562 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: doesn't let you figure out, oh we ain't got it. 563 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 3: It's that you know, oh no, you ain't got it, 564 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 3: you know. And so that's why people trying to be 565 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: something that not or taking these kind of risks, or 566 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 3: you know, kids, you know, realizing oh well my father 567 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 3: ain't here or my mother ain't here, and I ain't 568 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 3: got it, And that's where it becomes of a situation. 569 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: You know, Joe, I think that I think that's the truth, 570 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: right and I think that right now we're a time where, 571 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, we have social media anxiety or social media depression. 572 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: I will say every time I pick up the damn following, 573 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: everybody riches skinnier than me. They all in Jamaica. I 574 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: don't know when these people work, Joe. I know I 575 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: deal with these people work, Joe. But you know, you 576 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: have a calming sense. You have this kind of like, 577 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,959 Speaker 1: uh and hopefully I have it too, the sense of 578 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: security and people like you, me and all the a 579 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: type personality of the world. We always have a form 580 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: of a healthy parrot. Nooila, there is not It's not 581 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: that we do things anymore for money, but we do 582 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: things for purpose. And if you would really think about 583 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: years ago, somebody said, well, I ain't gonna you know 584 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: fifty old rappers we were growing up fifty years Oh, 585 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: you were dead right, And music is even Dre was saying, 586 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: music's the voice of the young or or the spirit 587 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: of the youngbo. How do you have this comfortable demeanor 588 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: because yeah, I know you got a great catalog, but 589 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: you know you ain't Michael Jackson. I know I got 590 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: great companies, but I ain't Mark Cuban. You know what 591 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm Mark Cuban. I ain't you know Mark Cuban. 592 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: Wig up my money, boy, he jumping out the window. 593 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: He like, I'm a practice you know. So how do 594 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: you have this comfortable kind of position, but yet you're 595 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: hustling and moving fast. You're working more than anybody else. 596 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: But you kind of have to mean to like it's Okay, 597 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it. Don't worry about me. I'm gonna 598 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: get it and I'm going to keep getting it for 599 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: the rest of my life. And I ain't gotta stress it. 600 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: I ain't gotta be thirsty, I ain't gotta be doing 601 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: stuff that everybody else is doing. But I'm gonna get it. 602 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: And I don't have it figured it out fully? Maybe 603 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: you do. I would love to get your insight. You 604 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: got this calming the meaning to you. Even though you 605 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: are hard, your your your brons all the way, your 606 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: New York all the way. You just you're just dirty 607 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: all the way. You're the most ship talking person all 608 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: the way. But you still got this omness. How do 609 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: you have that? 610 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 3: Well? Uh, practice makes perfect. You know I've been rich. 611 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 3: I've been broke up in ridch of it, broke up 612 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 3: in riach of it, brouh and believe it or not 613 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: it Uh you know recently within this last year, I 614 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 3: found an account stealing. 615 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: From you millions and problem. There's gotta be a problem 616 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: with you, man. Everybody stealing I have Can I steal 617 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: from you? 618 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 3: Man? 619 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm selling I'm the only. 620 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 3: Person listen, man, But they get caught and so Eventually, 621 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 3: when you stick your head at the cookie jar, you 622 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: get caught for millions of dollars. And so this is 623 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 3: about the third time this happened to me. It's a 624 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 3: weird feeling. It feels almost like when you see a 625 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 3: bakery and you see doe being made. The machine goes 626 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 3: like this. Your stomach stretches like this. Right, because you 627 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 3: you pick people to protect you, you work like an animal, 628 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 3: and the people who are supposed to protect you, they 629 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 3: feel like they're smarter than you, so they start playing 630 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 3: games with your money, right, and start thinking it's their money. Right. 631 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 3: But when this happened, normally I would have been shocked 632 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 3: or I would have been but being that I've actually 633 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 3: been through this before, I knew how to take the 634 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 3: slow breath and say, all right, I know how I'm 635 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 3: gonna do this. You know, I know how to get 636 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 3: up out of this. I know we're gonna suit these people, 637 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 3: even though we're not suing type of people. 638 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 2: And I know we're gonna win. 639 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, you know the experience, 640 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: you know, I say, God gives you experiences and it's 641 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 3: only to prepare you for the future, and so you 642 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 3: take that knowledge and it's only really you like if 643 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 3: you like why God be careful in ten years, because 644 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 3: you're gonna know why he taught you that lesson, cause 645 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 3: in ten years you're gonna know how to react to it. 646 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 3: And so oh, you know, I'm always been optimistic, man, 647 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 3: I've always been a dreamer. I'm like a bugsy seal. 648 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: He went to Vegas and just made Vegas. He went 649 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 3: to a desert and made Vegas. I'm like that, a dreamer. 650 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 3: And if we bet on something we believe in that 651 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 3: we lose. I never have a problem losing. I never 652 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 3: have a problem losing, even though we win more than 653 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 3: we lose. 654 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 2: And so. 655 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I'm a hustler. I 656 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 3: was born to make money no matter what. There's nothing 657 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 3: you can do to stop me from making money unless 658 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 3: I'm unhealthy, God forbid. I know how to get to 659 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 3: the bag. I know how to adjust, I know how 660 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 3: to move with the times. I know to be how 661 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 3: to be ahead of a curve, and believe it or not, 662 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 3: I'm always preparing for that next like I haven't hit 663 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 3: what I want to hit. And you know what I'm 664 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 3: talking about. So you know, when you hear people say 665 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 3: I invested in the next suber, I invested. 666 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 2: In the ring. You know, I'm in that. I'm all 667 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: in that. 668 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 3: I haven't cracked one of those open yet, but trust me, 669 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 3: I'm all in it. My wife was like, yo, I was. 670 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 3: I was just recently in Dubai for two weeks straight. 671 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 3: I'm trying to put a move together, right, And she 672 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 3: was like, what do you think. I said, well, you know, 673 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 3: these type of things never worked out speak but at 674 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,959 Speaker 3: least I'm trying and and. 675 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 2: So you you know, it's funny. 676 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 3: Uh. I used to go to Angola, Africa, right, and 677 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 3: it's a very rich country in uh, diamonds and gold 678 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 3: and oil, but it's also a very poor country, very poor. 679 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 3: The disparate disparency is is is you got it? 680 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: Got it all? Yeah. 681 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 3: I would go on to I would go on a 682 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 3: plane to an all black African country and half the 683 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 3: plane is white. And it recently I just came out. 684 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 2: Of civil war. 685 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 3: Uh, thousands of people died and these guys was on 686 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 3: the plane. 687 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: And I remember looking at them all. 688 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: The time time when I would go over there, and 689 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 3: I'd be like, these guys ain't scared to go nowhere 690 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 3: for the dollar. 691 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 2: They ain't scared to go. And that's the type of stuff. 692 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 3: You know, we're hunters, you know, we're here to provide 693 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 3: our family, you know, and nine times are out of 694 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 3: ten unless you're a super lucky guy who has a 695 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 3: woman who understands finances. 696 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 2: Know, you know, if you're just. 697 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 3: The provider your whole life, you know, you got a 698 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 3: problem with trying to make them understand the things you 699 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 3: gotta do. 700 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 2: It's almost like I get upset. 701 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 3: Every year what I deal with accountants right when it's 702 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 3: tax time, because if you got a good accountant, nine 703 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 3: times out of ten their number, Like it's almost like 704 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 3: when a doctor comes and says, oh, you're gonna die. 705 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 3: But it's like it's like it just be like, hey, 706 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 3: you made a lot of money you got and you're like, no, 707 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 3: I had to go to the jungles, I had to 708 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 3: go to Thailand. Do you know what diarrhea from spicy food? 709 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 2: Do you know what? 710 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 3: They do? Everything in the world. 711 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,919 Speaker 2: And you come back and you got a fifty to fifty. 712 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,439 Speaker 3: Partner with you, so you're trying to at least the 713 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 3: only person who get because you're definitely not arguing with 714 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 3: the with the government or the irs The only person 715 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: who gets to get your your screams and your anger. 716 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 2: Is your accountants. 717 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 3: You know, these guys they're just like, hey, man, this 718 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 3: is what you gotta do. And he's just like wow. 719 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 3: They just understand the numbers. They don't understand what it 720 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 3: took to get it. 721 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, Joe, I gotta tell people this 722 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: because when I learned, when I when my accountants, I've learned, 723 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: always get an account first of all, recommended by somebody 724 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: who has never lost to the I R S. Because 725 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: first of all, when you are they're gonna be people 726 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: gonna keep you on the track. When the IRIS goes 727 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: after you, they say, oh, this dude's accountant has not 728 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: lost any you know, any orders. Let's move on to 729 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: a softer target. But just like you saying yelling, I 730 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: get a after taxis every year I get over, I 731 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: call my other part and I'll call my Jewish part, 732 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: I was, go, listen, man, I want to fire this guy. 733 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: You know personally, this guy's an a hole. And they 734 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 1: say to me, let me tell you something. Damon, if 735 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: your accountant is always agreeing when you're unhappy, he's stealing 736 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: or she's still if he's an asshole. That means you're 737 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: not stealing from you. Then I say to my part 738 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: and I go, well, normal, you know normal, I'd be 739 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 1: like normal, but you and I never get into arguments. 740 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: We're always good, and he'd be like this da, So 741 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: he may be like, yo, man, you want your you 742 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: want your accountant to be an asshole because he knows 743 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: she know you mad. It's not like you go, yo, 744 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm mad mine, Oh yo. 745 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 2: You stealing? 746 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 3: They don't kid, Tell me, tell me pulld up. Tell 747 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 3: me about that partner ship. You've been in it for 748 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 3: twenty thirty years, and you guys are thick, and then 749 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 3: you guys are like got each other's bats, you guys, 750 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 3: and you started from different worlds, and you know you 751 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 3: got his back, he got your back. Like what is 752 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 3: that like? 753 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 2: Knowing that you could wake up and. 754 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 3: Know, yo, I got a partner who got my back 755 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 3: and I got his back no matter what goes on. 756 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: Man, you know what it is the greatest feeling of 757 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: it is the fact that and I think that I've 758 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: seen you around people of otherth messities, genders, all kind 759 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: of stuff like that. And for this Jewish family to 760 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: do a deal with us, and and and they didn't 761 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: have a lot. They had distribution and we didn't have 762 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: a lot, and we found ways to meet in the middle. 763 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: And I've been in more bar minsters, boat misters that 764 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: I've been at anything else. I consider them. You know, 765 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: if I'm on my deathbed, there's going to be a 766 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: couple of people I'm gonna call, and I call them, 767 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, And it is an honor right when you 768 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: start to see and like you said, man like being 769 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: so loving for each other. We tend to walk into 770 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: the room and because society has told us, now, yo, Joe, 771 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: keep it real, don't hang out that first. And because 772 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,479 Speaker 1: I don't know they live over here, or they gay, 773 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: or they're they're straight, or whatever the case is. And 774 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: I think the end of the day, when you are 775 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: absolutely dedicated to somebody, you know that, when you're in 776 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: yourt deathbed and you want the people around you, you 777 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: ain't gonna give a shit about who they sleep with, 778 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,959 Speaker 1: what God they prayed to, and what the color skin 779 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: they have. I think it's the best feeling in the world. 780 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: And like you said, you're gonna get hurt by some 781 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: of these people. Sometimes you know there's something's gonna happen 782 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: but I've never gotten hurt by any of these type 783 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: of people that I trust so much, because you know, 784 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: it takes half a lifetime for somebody to find a 785 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: friend and the other half of them to prove it. 786 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: That's what they say, and and and I'm, I'm that's 787 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: just the way it is. And I'm it's like you 788 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: all with j R. 789 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 3: J R. 790 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: And Lauren, right, God bless Jay all will passed away 791 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: only vacation he ever had, and I don't know, twenty 792 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: thirty years and it's an aneurysm, and didn't enjoy life 793 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: like you and I get to enjoy it. Even though 794 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: he had everything. It didn't take that minute decide to 795 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: have this type of conversation, you know. 796 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well with me, I'm about humanity and I'm about 797 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 3: uh people being righteous, people being good people, people being 798 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 3: family people. Uh. 799 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm cool with the Jews. I'm cool 800 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 2: with the Muslims, you know. 801 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 3: And so you know, I sit down with my with 802 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 3: my Jews, and they turn around, my Jewish people, and 803 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 3: they turned around and they say, you know, Joe, you know, 804 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 3: anybody who teaches you the Torah or tries to make 805 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 3: you uh Jewish, they really love you right. And then 806 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 3: I sit some of my Muslim guys and they got Joe. 807 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 3: You know, anybody who tries to teach you the Koran, 808 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 3: they really love you, right, And I'm like, yo, but 809 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,759 Speaker 3: I'm Jesus Nights right, But Jesus Jesus Christ was a joke. 810 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 2: Right. 811 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 3: But uh, you know me, just like you, I've learned 812 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 3: to overcome whatever this propagandam is and I love people 813 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 3: who love me will always do right by me, and 814 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 3: I stand up for that wherever I go in the world. 815 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 3: It's just you know, if this is my brother, this 816 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 3: is my sister, that's what it is. They've showed me 817 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 3: nothing but though ut they showed me nothing but love 818 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 3: to my family. 819 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: You know what? That leads me to my final questions, 820 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: very simple one. You know, as you and I we 821 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: came up with nothing. You know, the streets are not 822 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,879 Speaker 1: taught us to be vulnerable because people exploit that. But 823 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: as you just talked about the people around you, the 824 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: place you've been, who do you ask for I know 825 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: you all with your student in life, people want to 826 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: seem like they know what all? Who do you ask 827 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: for for advice? And why do you go to like 828 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: when you're in a room. You have a concept of 829 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm always going to ask for advice. I'm not going 830 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: to act like I'm tough. What is the kind of 831 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,240 Speaker 1: way that you go after and look for advice with people? 832 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 3: Well, God bless the dead, it was JR. Right, it 833 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 3: was JR. Writing girl friend of ours, mutual friend of 834 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 3: mine and yours became a billionaire from nothing, and he 835 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 3: taught me a lot about business, and I was by 836 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 3: side every day. Another person that's Desret Perez and my 837 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 3: manager at Rock Nation, very very very very intelligent woman. 838 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 3: And every time I need a guidance or I need 839 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 3: some sort of help, she's always there for me, one 840 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 3: million percent above and beyond. And I would say those 841 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 3: are the two go to people I go to if 842 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 3: I'm jammed up or I don't understand the situation or 843 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on, and then they'll just 844 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 3: break it down to me. 845 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,320 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. 846 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 3: So those are two people I really really trust and 847 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 3: giving me the right information. Well, I. 848 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: Believe you should do that, and I agree like a JR. 849 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: And I don't know, Des Ray heard one of things 850 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 1: about it, But JR didn't need you. They all didn't 851 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 1: need me, and I love to ask people who don't 852 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: need you, you know, for advice. And that's why often 853 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: when you and I talk, I can ask you for 854 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: advice because you don't need me. I don't need you. 855 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,399 Speaker 1: And that's the best people in the world that they 856 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: want to do it because they love you. As you 857 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,239 Speaker 1: said about the way of the Koran of the Taro, right, 858 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: So man, I love you. Man, Joe, done so much 859 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,720 Speaker 1: for my career. You've done so much for other people's career. 860 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 1: You used to call Russell Simmons everybody of a private partner, 861 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,760 Speaker 1: or you said silent partner. I think you're everybody's silent 862 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: partner in the game. And man, I appreciate you for 863 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: spending that moment with me. And go take care of 864 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: those nicks and take care of that opportunity and celebrate that. 865 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 3: M somebody I want to shout out somebody very important, 866 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 3: our boy, Chauncey shot Tell, who reached out and made 867 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 3: this up. You know he used to take me to 868 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 3: Cabrity greet. You know you ain't always have the suit 869 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 3: with the well Tell you no. I know Chauncey from 870 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 3: the streets out Chicago. That's our brother Pa. 871 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you man. There you have it. I 872 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: can talk to Joe forever. I think we we touched 873 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: on so many amazing things, from you know, how he 874 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: invested in people are or how do you still have 875 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:11,280 Speaker 1: the wherewithal to trust people? How he's still being betrayed 876 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,760 Speaker 1: but how he's old other thing outside of the box. 877 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,360 Speaker 1: And more importantly, we learned Joe's life and how we 878 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: can apply it to ourselves. So I'm glad that you 879 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,080 Speaker 1: two and in I hope I took me down a 880 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: very special moment yourself, as with Fat Joe, because you're 881 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: here with that moment with Damon John. If you have 882 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,399 Speaker 1: any more ideas and or questions that I a should 883 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 1: ask some of our upcoming guests, I want to deep 884 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: and go down rabbit hole. Good of make sure you 885 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: send it over to us at at that moment at 886 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: Damon John out, thank you for spending the time with me, 887 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: and I look forward to hanging out with you again. 888 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: That Moment with Damon John is a production of the 889 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 1: Black Effect Podcast Network. 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