1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Giants. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 2: Extra point is brought to you by Citizens, the official 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 2: bank of the New York Giants. Citizens has made ready 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: for Giants fans hack and sacked Bridian health. Keep getting 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: better if yous boiler is the world's best bill Boilers, 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: London Jewelers. 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Your destination for luxury jewelry and fine time. 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: Pieces, and by Moody's Decode Risk, Unlock Opportunity. Learn more 9 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: at Moody's dot Com. Ninth straight loss with the New 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 2: York Football Giants, they fall to two and thirteen on 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: the season. They dropped this one to the Minnesota Vikings 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: sixteen to thirteen at met Life Stadium. John Schmulk, Tiki Barber, 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: Bob Poppo waiting Mike Kefkafka's press conference downstairs after this 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: loss and Tiki. This one to me comes down to 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: a couple different factors. One, the Giants allowed a Max 16 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: Brozmer led Vikings offense to drive down forty seven yards 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: to kick a fifty seven yards part of me to 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: kick a game winning field goal with about four to 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: fifteen to go in this game. And then offensively for 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: the Giants, they finish this game with one hundred and 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: forty one yards of total offense, Jackson darts seven to 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 2: thirteen for thirty three yards in a pack. Couple drops 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 2: in there, and they get seven points on a defensive score. 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 2: And the only reason they get six points on offense 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: two field goals is because two third downs in which 26 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: Jackson Dark gets sacked there are unnecessary roughness blows to 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: the head that extend those drives. Otherwise the Giants are 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: punting on those two possessions, they score zero offensive points. 29 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we need to apologize for Giants 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 3: fans for having to watch this disaster of a team 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 3: this afternoon. 32 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 4: This was bad and so many different ways. 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: Other than the defense doing a couple of good things, 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: there are just players that you see that don't belong 35 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: on this team. Darius Layton, you don't belong on this team. 36 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: You're not a winning football player. You're not there's no urgency. 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: I feel like previous seasons or previous years we talk 38 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: about how bad the talent was. This isn't a team 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: that has bad talent, even though there are some bad 40 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: players on this squad. It's a team that doesn't know 41 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: how to win, and today it looked like they didn't 42 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: want to win. Right, You're not making tackles when it 43 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: matters in critical third downs situations. 44 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: In the in the last drive. 45 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: Of the game, you just you basically concede ten yards 46 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: to Aaron Jones. 47 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 4: This is poorly coached team. 48 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: This is a poorly motivated team, and it showed up 49 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: in one of the ugliest games that I have watched 50 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: from a giant standpoint in the. 51 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: Last three or four years. 52 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: They should have they should have been able to beat 53 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: this Minnesota Vikings team without their starting quarterback who hadn't 54 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: even played well for a lot of this game through 55 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: an interception earlier in this game. This and they're starting 56 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: team appeels like it has checked out, and they're starting center, 57 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: and they're starting center and all these things that say, hey, 58 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: the Giants have a chance. Yet you get the worst 59 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: day of the season by Jackson Dart. It's like they 60 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: were unprepared for what Brian Floores does to opposing offenses. 61 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: But all you gotta do is turn on one tape 62 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 3: of the Minnesota Vikings defensively and you're gonna see Brian 63 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: Floores confusing the hell out of you and to not 64 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: have a plan to attack it, whether that's toss the 65 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: ball to the edges, whether that's get design and scheme 66 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: plays to have it out of Jackson darts in in 67 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: three seconds or less. Instead, we're seeing five and seven 68 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: step drops and giving up five sacks in this game 69 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: and ultimately not giving yourself a chance to win. 70 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 4: This was bad man, This one. 71 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 3: This is the one that makes you feel that some 72 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: of the players don't have what it takes, even though 73 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: we know they're good players. 74 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, wow, I don't I don't know how 75 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 5: to follow that tiki other than. 76 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: I haven't gotten pissed off and since the Denver game 77 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: because I've conceded that this team just isn't good enough 78 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: and sometimes they just don't know how to win. This 79 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: look like a team to quit, and that's that frustrates me, 80 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: especially when there's so many guys that have so much 81 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: to play for it. Now, Brian Burns, give him his kudos. 82 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: Playing with a jacked up hand, He's got a club 83 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: on his hand. He's still out there trying to make 84 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: arm tackles on Aaron Jones while everybody else is kind 85 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: of sitting around picking their noses. I just feel like 86 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: there's not enough guys that care, and that frustrates the 87 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: hell out of me. 88 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 5: Well, well you would know better because you actually wore 89 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 5: the giant uniform. And as I look up at the stadium, 90 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 5: like your name is in the Ring of Honor, so 91 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 5: you can understand it and see it more. I look 92 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 5: at a team that is just really devoid in talent. 93 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: In critical areas. 94 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 5: Okay, they are devoid in talent in the secondary. You 95 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 5: know where they're going on third and long. They're throwing 96 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 5: short passes to Jefferson. You have to know that the 97 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 5: ball's going to him. Tackle them, fine, tackle them third 98 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 5: and seventeen. Where are they going to throw it to you? 99 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 5: I don't double team them. Whatever you're gonna do. 100 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: There is no reason for Justin Jefferson not to have 101 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: been clouded. That is having a safety over top every 102 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 3: single third and long. Yet every single third and long 103 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: he's behind some secondary defender, which makes no sense to me. 104 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 5: And I know, listen, Malik Neighbors has been out all 105 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 5: season long, and I know they've done good things, but 106 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 5: it does catch up to you. You can't win in 107 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 5: the NFL with this receiving roster. You can't win. And 108 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 5: I mean you look at you look at the receiving roster. 109 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 5: You look at who they lost to last week. They 110 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 5: got Deebo Samuel and Terry McLaurin. Addison didn't have a 111 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 5: good game, but you got Addison, you got Nailor. He 112 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 5: didn't really do much today. He had a drop ball 113 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 5: off his chest that won for an interception. But week 114 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 5: in and week out, stat wise, I mean, your deep goat, 115 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 5: your deep go ball goes to your smallest receiver who 116 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 5: got Yeah, he got hit in the back of the 117 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 5: head and tried to make a basket catch. But we 118 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 5: see those drop and then Slayton, I mean, how many 119 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 5: more drops? 120 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: This goes go back to the New Orleans game. 121 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, how many games have been affected by Darius Slayton drops? 122 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: Right, Football is about the little things. The littlest and 123 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: most basic thing is catching a football. And if you're 124 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: not focused on catching a football, you're gonna drop it. 125 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 3: And Darius Slayton had one in this and look, he 126 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: got to overcome because there was a penalty on the 127 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: next play. 128 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: But that ball was cleanly in his bread basket. 129 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: Whether he didn't know how to catch it with his 130 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: hands or he wanted to catch it with his body, 131 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: either way, it hit him right in the numbers. It 132 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: was one of the few really good passes that Jackson 133 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: Dart had today and he dropped it. 134 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 4: He's not a winning football player. 135 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: We've said this all season long, and he continues to 136 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: prove it each and every week. 137 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: Well, and as excited as we are about Theo Johnson. 138 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 5: Like, in a one score tight game, you can't let 139 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 5: a ball that's perfectly thrown to you go right through 140 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 5: your hands because it sets them up for sets up 141 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 5: for sure. They started to inside the twenty yard at 142 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 5: the twenty yard line in a game in which neither 143 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 5: team is doing much offensively. It's just it's frustrating, it's exasperating, 144 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 5: it's sad, like, look at all the people that were 145 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 5: here today dressed up in Christmas gear and their giant stuff. 146 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 5: I'm sure a lot of these people were coming to 147 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 5: a game maybe for the first time, or it's a 148 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 5: rare game because I'm sure season ticket holders were giving 149 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 5: away their tickets. I mean, you want to leave here 150 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 5: with a decent feeling. And this was like a winnable 151 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 5: game against the team again they lost their center during 152 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 5: the game, starting quarterback, and they lost their quarterback who 153 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 5: you know, It's not like it's great shakes or whatever, 154 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 5: but they lost them, and you know, the Giants just 155 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 5: continue to find with and then Carl Banks summed it 156 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 5: up best. They play really good defense until they don't, 157 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 5: and usually they don't in the gotta have it moments. 158 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 5: And I think there's just there's a lot of players 159 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 5: that there's a lot of losses tied into them. And 160 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 5: I think, whoever the new head coaches and whatever decisions 161 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 5: they make moving forward, you got to turn things over here, right, 162 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 5: you get yeah, because it's not just coaching. 163 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: I'll leave it with this because Tom Cofflin used to 164 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: have a sign in our locker room and it's an 165 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: old cliche, but it says, you know, we are what 166 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: we repeatedly do. 167 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: Therefore success is a habit. 168 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: And I remember right now, I feel like what we 169 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: see from the New York Giants is this losing mentality 170 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: and it has become their habit. It's what's normal for them, 171 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: and they don't know how to get out of it. 172 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 6: Right. 173 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 5: We're excited about Abdul Carter and again he had a 174 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 5: force full game, but you have to line up on side. 175 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: You can't line up in the newest close. 176 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: It was really close. 177 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. 178 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: I know, I know, Bob, but it was really close. 179 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 5: But it was called right, it was. But that's again 180 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 5: you're struggling in every which way. You had a ninety 181 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 5: five yeard pick six taken. 182 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 4: Off the board. Yeah, no, you're right, You're right. 183 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: That's today's game breakdown, brought to you locally by Ford 184 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: One Performance and Capability at every turn. Get behind the 185 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: wheel of a new Ford truck or SUV. Ford Official 186 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: Truck and SUV of the New York Giants. Time out, 187 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: We'll come back, continue to talk about the game where 188 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: waiting my CAF get the podium as well. Giants fall 189 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: to the Vikings sixteen to thirteen, will be right back. 190 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 7: You are listening to Giants Extra Point on the WFAN 191 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 7: Giants Radio Network. 192 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 2: We're back here on Giants Extra Point. Giants Football is 193 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: brought to you by Verizon, the official five G network 194 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: of the New York Giants. Riise in America's most Bible network. 195 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: John sh Maltiki, Barber, Bob Papa. 196 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: Right after the. 197 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: Giants fall for the ninth Street Game sixteen thirteen, this 198 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: one to the Minnesota Vikings at MetLife Stadium. Guys, we 199 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: covered a lot of ground there in our first segment. 200 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: But the Giants did run the ball well la were 201 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: in this game. They tried to stick with it. It 202 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: was pretty clear Tiki that the Vikings made an adjustment 203 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: to that and they started to slow down the Giants 204 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: run game, and you just couldn't figure anything out from 205 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: a passing perspective to consistently move the ball up and 206 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: down there. 207 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is where you Brian Floor is 208 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: again a lot of credit for his schematic design. It 209 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 3: feels like every down against his Minnesota Vikings defense are 210 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 3: gonna get those double a gap mugs and it feels like, man, 211 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 3: are they bringing pressure. But the challenge with that is 212 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 3: if you do bring pressure one side, say it's his 213 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: zone blitz, so half sides coming, the other side's dropping out, 214 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: you create running lanes. 215 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 4: And I think. 216 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 3: Early on in this game, Minnesota was bringing extra pressure, 217 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: whether it was a fifth sometimes the sixth man, and 218 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: the we're blocking it up and creating seams for Tyrone Tracy, 219 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: and that helps when you have twelve personnel because obviously 220 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 3: that extra tight end can help in that blocking scheme. 221 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: But later in this game, you saw and I think 222 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: you even mentioned this to me out, you know, we're 223 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: watching up here, you know, behind the broadcast. It feels 224 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: like he's not bringing pressure anymore. It feels like he's 225 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: double a gap, mugging and just dropping. It was constant 226 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: drops into this little short zone. Who knows what they 227 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: were doing behind them two to three, it doesn't even matter, 228 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 3: but they were dropping out but still in those run lanes. 229 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 3: And so yeah, Tyrone Tracy could get two three yards, 230 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: but he wasn't increasing any more for fifteen or twelve 231 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: or eleven or eighteen or anything like that. And so 232 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: it was an adjustment defensively that looked the same from 233 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 3: initial pre snap, but when the ball was snapped, they 234 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: were putting themselves in a better position to defend the run. 235 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 3: And the reason you could do that, John, is because 236 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 3: Jackson Dart provided zero threat in this game. I mean 237 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: he what do you throw for thirty five yards in 238 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: this game? Thirty three yards total? I mean neck with 239 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 3: the sacks, it was twenty two yards. The past game 240 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: was not an option for the New York Giants and 241 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: something that the Minnesota Vikings did not have to. 242 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: Fear at all all day long. 243 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: And the amazing thing to me, Bob Giants held the 244 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: wall for twenty nine minutes, so it's not like the 245 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: time of possession was really lopsided. And Tiky and I 246 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: talked about this upstairs. The Giants only had seven possessions 247 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: in this game. Usually you're around twelve, maybe ten on 248 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: the low end. Only seven possessions in a game, that's 249 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: an extremely low number. 250 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, there were long drives. I mean, look at 251 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 5: some of these scoring drives. I mean these scoring drives 252 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 5: that ended in field goals. It's not often that you 253 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 5: have a twelve play thirty five yard drive, right, It's 254 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 5: not often that you have a fourteen play fifty four 255 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 5: yard drive. And Minnesota with the game winning kick was 256 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 5: a fourteen play fifty seven yard drive, right, Like usually 257 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 5: a fourteen play drive like eighty six yards. 258 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: Right. 259 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: This game was like a you know, both teams played it. 260 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 5: They kind of like played this, we're in the wind, 261 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 5: it's cold, and we're down people and this, and that 262 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 5: we're gonna kind of play this like little slugfest kind 263 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 5: of game, but which is. 264 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: Probably only three punts, by the way, which makes it 265 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: even funny because you feel like in a game like 266 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: this you'd. 267 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: Have like eight punts. It's only three punts. Well, you 268 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: had three turnover exactly right, right, and you know it's 269 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: just it's really frustrating. 270 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 5: And again, like for the fans that are here, the 271 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 5: fans that are listening, the fans that are watching. I 272 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 5: know there's a segment of the fan base that's like, good, 273 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 5: I want the number one overall pick. 274 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 4: But that is the silver lighting if it is. 275 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: But you know what Titans did win today, by the 276 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: way beat the Chiefs. 277 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 5: People buy tickets and come to games and root for 278 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 5: the team because they want to see the team do. 279 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: Well and they want to win. 280 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 4: They want to lose. 281 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 5: The players certainly don't want to lose. This is their livelihood. 282 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 5: There's gonna be a lot of guys unemployed at the 283 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 5: end of this year. 284 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: Mike cafcas pres conmen has brought to you by Hackensack Wherredy 285 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: health keep getting better. 286 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: Here's Mike caf. 287 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 8: At hamstring flat has a knee, jere Mess has a 288 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 8: hand that we're working through DJ Davidson neck and then 289 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 8: Burnes and Newbin they were both cleared, you know, but you. 290 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 6: Know they were cleared during the game. 291 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 8: Then running you know, his wife went into labor, so 292 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 8: you know, thinking about him as well. 293 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 6: As he's going through that process with him his wife. 294 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 6: I think that's pretty much. 295 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 9: It flot that it's gonna be as serious. 296 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 6: Well we'll yeah, we'll see. 297 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 8: I haven't hadn't chance to meet with the doctors yet 298 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 8: and stuff. But the other looking at it right now, 299 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 8: what was it. 300 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 10: About your defense that was given your passing attack some 301 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 10: challenges today? What was it about their defense that was 302 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 10: so challenging to your passing attack today? 303 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 8: You know, they didn't they didn't shob of mixing up 304 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 8: some coverages, some pressure packages, you know, and they attempts 305 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 8: that we had which were limited. You know, we had 306 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 8: some cover zero alerts and tags built in do it 307 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 8: you know, just need a overall better. 308 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 6: Execution there from the whole group. 309 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 11: I could seem to be a very conservative game plan, 310 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 11: run heavy game plan. 311 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 12: Was that the way you wanted to go into this game? 312 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 8: I want to recall running the ball conservative, I'd say, 313 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 8: you know, I think for us, we just wanted to 314 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 8: try to minimize some of that pressure package and let 315 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 8: our run game go. So mixing a couple different personnel groupings, 316 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 8: you know, get into some three thirteen personnel, some twelve, 317 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 8: a little bit of eleven, but you know, trying to 318 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 8: curtain advance for us. 319 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 11: It is minimizing that pass rush and throwing four passes 320 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 11: in the first half. I mean, so what you know 321 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 11: was that, you know, it seemed like you never could 322 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 11: get into your passing game in any way, shape or form. 323 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean part of the part of the plan was, 324 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 8: you know, maybe you know, getting to the run game 325 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 8: a little bit more. And that's you know, part of 326 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 8: the process we went through this week. You know, when 327 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 8: you have you know, corner that likes the pressure and 328 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 8: that's the strength of theirs, you know, you can you 329 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 8: can minimize it by a couple of things, whether it's screens, 330 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 8: whether it's max protecting it, or the run game which 331 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 8: helps utries that. 332 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 9: I think it was thirteen and yards and I think 333 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 9: guys had depending on how you want to characterize, about 334 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 9: three or four drops as well. 335 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 13: Why were things so out of sync with that passing attack, 336 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 13: because I don't belie you've seen. 337 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 9: One do that yet. 338 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, we'll go I'll go back and look at it 339 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 8: exactly on the field. It just felt like we had 340 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 8: some opportunities we missed him. So we'll look back at 341 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 8: the tape and see where we can get those things 342 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 8: cleaned up, whether it's you know, protection, whether it's a scheme, 343 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 8: whether it's ball location or just drops. Like I think 344 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 8: there's a couple of different factors that could go into it. 345 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 8: So I don't want to be too early on what 346 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 8: the exact reason was without watching it again thoroughly. 347 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 9: He had he had two today, He's had quite a few. 348 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 13: This year, eight or nine, depending on what the flip 349 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 13: website you want to go which tracks mean, why has 350 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 13: that been an issue for him so far? 351 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 8: If is a guy that we really rely on, and 352 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 8: I think he's a guy that's made a lot of 353 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 8: big plays consistently throughout the course of these last call 354 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 8: at five to seven games, and is the guy that 355 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 8: will continue to put the ball in his hands and 356 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 8: give him opportunities down the field. 357 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 6: So I know he's had some drops in the past, 358 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 6: Like that's in the past. 359 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 8: I have a lot of confidence in THEO and him 360 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 8: be able to make big time plays for us. 361 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 5: Like what do you say, what do you say to 362 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 5: Jackson to you know, protective games. 363 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 8: And yeah, it's it's it's for the whole group, you know, 364 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 8: the whole group. We got to continue really go back 365 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 8: look at this tape, be ultra critical and what that 366 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 8: looked like and the things that we can get better at, 367 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 8: you know, for any for any player, like what they 368 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 8: can do individually, what we can do as a unit, 369 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 8: and then holistically as a team. You know, where are 370 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 8: some spots where I can improve, where I can be 371 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 8: an asset to the group, and whether that's you know, 372 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 8: being aggressive being less aggressive, you know, turning the line 373 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 8: in terms of how the how we want to play 374 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 8: the game and the game management part of it. And 375 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 8: that's what I evaluate and be hypercritical on myself about Mike. 376 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 11: What did you see on a thirty seventeen a big 377 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 11: play to Justin Jefferson that kept the sticks move them? 378 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I was bouncing. I didn't see that. 379 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 6: While I was bouncer. I was talking to the offense. 380 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 8: I saw, I saw like the replay, but I don't 381 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 8: know exactly what happened on the other play. 382 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 11: And generally, like the defense give a lot of third 383 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 11: and long chunk place and you. 384 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 9: Know, how would you evaluate that? What did you see that? 385 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 4: Again? 386 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 8: Like some you know, during those times, sometimes I'm like 387 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 8: getting ready, like thinking, you know, if we get the 388 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 8: ball back, trying to get the off talking to the 389 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 8: offense some reely some of the eyes upstairs. So I'll 390 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 8: go back and look at it. You know, obviously we 391 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 8: don't want to give up those big, those big throw downs. 392 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 8: It might be something as simple as just the fundamentals 393 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 8: of just getting died down and tackling them. I know 394 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 8: had a couple of them. We had some opportunities to 395 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 8: tackle them. Sure the sticks didn't do it, but you 396 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 8: know that we'll we'll look at it, we'll focus on 397 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 8: it and make that a point of emphasis for this 398 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 8: week of practice. You mentioned nothing takes something coverage for 399 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 8: the thing to you that you were expecting that you 400 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 8: have to adjust to. No, I actually felt great about 401 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 8: the plan and what we're what we were expecting there. Obviously, 402 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 8: sometimes the down and distance, you know, we talked about 403 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 8: this earlier, get back on track in the early part 404 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 8: of the down, you know, secondly, longs, those type of things. 405 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 8: We wanted to stay out of those because we knew 406 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 8: what elements could show up. But I felt really clean 407 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 8: about the plan. It's been clean about it. You know, 408 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 8: we just got to look look back at and see 409 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 8: what are the things we could have done better in 410 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 8: that particular area. 411 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 11: You know, you think Jackson handled the pressure. Looked like 412 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 11: he maybe had a couple of opportunities to maybe throw 413 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 11: the ball away. 414 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I had accents. 415 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 8: Yes, I think Jackson, I think overall the plan, think 416 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 8: he understood the plan. I think at the lot of scrimmage, 417 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 8: he was doing a good job of of seeing it 418 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 8: and being decisive of what he wanted to do. I 419 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 8: think as he learns and he sees more of these 420 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 8: ability to get the ball just to touch faster, you know, 421 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 8: use some of those sites to keep his mind clear 422 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 8: on it and not you know, you know that put 423 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 8: himself in a bad spot because I thought I thought 424 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 8: he had some opportunities down field. Sometimes you know, whether 425 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 8: it's a popper or someone gets into that window, you 426 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 8: got to hold it an extra take longer. 427 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 6: So that's part of the growth process with it. 428 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 8: But I thought Jackson was seeing it clearly, and certainly 429 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 8: the conversations we have on the sideline, you know, he 430 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 8: felt good about the plan as well. 431 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 6: So it's it's but it's not just one guy. 432 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 8: Everyone's got to see it the same way, and we 433 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 8: got to go out there and execute. 434 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 9: Better on the opening kick off. 435 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 10: All a lot of bounds was to win what what 436 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 10: was the explanation is to while the ball went out 437 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 10: of the mounds. 438 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he just I think he just hooked 439 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 6: it a little bit to the right. 440 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 11: You were you passed up a fairly short field goal 441 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 11: in the first series. 442 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, why you do that? 443 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 14: Yeah? 444 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 6: I was wanting to stay aggressive and didn't want to 445 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 6: stay aggressive and. 446 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 8: Early part of the game, and we had an opportunity. 447 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 8: It was kind of right there, and I was talking 448 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 8: with all those guys and the game management guys, and 449 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 8: it's right there, it's probably a go for. And so 450 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 8: I wanted to put it in our offensive hands early 451 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 8: in the game. Especially, you never know how the game's 452 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 8: gonna you know, declare and be at the end of it. 453 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 8: So we wanted to stay aggressive early in the game 454 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 8: and if we had an opportunity and that and that 455 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 8: down and distance, we were gonna go. 456 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 9: Sayer talked to Abu little head all after the off 457 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 9: side that Nick AGAs touchdowns. 458 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 8: Well, I haven't had a chance to talk to him. 459 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 8: I know he's he's you know, he's beating himself up 460 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 8: about it. You know, it's tough. He's trying to get 461 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 8: a jump on the football a little bit, you know, 462 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 8: a little bit too far, you know, unfortunate, really unfortunate 463 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 8: play just overall because it takes away points, takes a 464 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 8: weeks to huge play, you know. But the defense, you know, 465 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 8: they bottle back from that, from that, from that and 466 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 8: ended up getting another one. 467 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 9: Think O all right? 468 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: Kay? 469 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 9: Thanks? 470 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: That was Mike Kafka at the postgame press conference on 471 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: the podium after the Giants sixteen to thirteen loss to 472 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings. Giants football is brought to you locally 473 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: by four Performance, a capability at every turn, get behind 474 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: the wool of a new four truck or RESCUV FOURD 475 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: official truck and SUV of the New York Giants. Time out, 476 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: We'll come back, break it down. We'll get Jackson' dart 477 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: to Ponium at some point. That and more Giants fault 478 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: to the Vikings sixteen to thirteen. That meant Life Stadium 479 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: will be right back. 480 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 7: You are listening to Giants Extra Point on the WFAN 481 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 7: Giants Radio network. 482 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: They'll try a thirty nine yard field goal. 483 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 5: He's a left footed kicker from the left hash with 484 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 5: the winds swirling to tie the game. Snap spot pick 485 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 5: on its way live drive and it is good. He 486 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 5: hooks it right in there. 487 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 6: He played the wind on that with. 488 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: Bob eleven oh six to go in the game, tie 489 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: to thirteen. 490 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 2: That was the culmination of a fourteen play fifty four 491 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: yard drive at the start of the fourth quarter that 492 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: gave the Giants a thirteen to thirteen tie against the Vikings. 493 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: Ben Sols his second field goal of the game. It 494 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: was is it Tonight's scoring drive of the game? Brought 495 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: to you by Citizens. For every scoring drive this season, 496 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: Citizens will donate seven hundred and fifty dollars in the 497 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 2: Giants Foundation to support their work tackling important community issues, 498 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: improving over our health and empowering our youth. But Bob, 499 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: you thought maybe Saul should have had a chance to 500 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: kick a third field well in this game? 501 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just heard. 502 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 5: Mike Kafka asked why he passed up on a short 503 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 5: field goal on the opening possession of the game, and 504 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 5: he said, you know, we wanted to be aggressive our analytics. 505 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 5: And as soon as I heard that, I wanted to 506 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 5: jump out of the booth. Now, I am not a 507 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 5: fuddy duddy, an old fart that doesn't want to hear 508 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 5: about analytics. Okay, because I believe analytics are important. In fact, 509 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 5: I believe that they've been making a batting order in 510 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 5: Major League Baseball since the eighteen hundreds based on analytics. 511 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: Guys that hit high for average usually bat the top 512 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: of the lineup. Guys that hit for power usually hit third, fourth, 513 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: and fifth. 514 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 5: Tom Landry, the inventor of the umbrella defense, certainly used 515 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 5: analytics to stop Jim Brown in the nineteen fifties. 516 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: Paul Brown used analytics. 517 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 5: From an offensive standpoint, analytics have always been a part 518 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 5: of sports. Now it's become a little bit of a 519 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 5: dirty word, right, So I am not against analytics. But 520 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 5: when you see what the weather conditions are and what 521 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 5: the wind is like, and then when you look at 522 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 5: the fact that the team you're playing against is tied 523 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 5: for the second best red zone defense in the NFL, 524 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 5: and they are sixth in the NFL in third down defense, 525 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 5: and your offense is very limited with the skill position 526 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 5: players that you have, and you're missing your left guard 527 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 5: in this game, and you have a rookie quarterback, what 528 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 5: preytel analytics could tell you that, oh, yeah, we're going. 529 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 4: To make a fourth and five at the ten, it's 530 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 4: false belief. In himself. 531 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: That's what that comes down to. The fourth and five 532 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 3: at the ten was one of the worst decisions that 533 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 3: he's made in a long time. Kick the field goal, 534 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 3: you know it's going to be at least you assume 535 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 3: it's going to be a low scoring game, as it 536 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: ultimately turned out to be. 537 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 4: But when you believe just for believing. 538 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: Sake, as opposed to I have this great play that 539 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 3: I know is going to work, doubled up and that's 540 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 3: why we're going forward on fourth down, That's not what 541 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: I saw. I saw a team that just for the 542 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: sake of being aggressive, and that's what I hear every 543 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: time I these fourth down conversions or these tight red 544 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 3: zone fourth down go forwards. It's I just want to 545 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: I want to stay aggressive, Okay, But aggressive aggression without. 546 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 4: A plan gets you no points, It gets you lack 547 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 4: of success. 548 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 5: Two years ago, it caused Dan Campbell and the Lions 549 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 5: a trip to the Super Bowl. 550 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: Yes, in the NFC Championship. 551 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 4: Absolutely right. 552 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 5: And again, I believe in analytics, and I believe that 553 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 5: it has a place in sports, and it's always had 554 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 5: a place in sports. Like I said, but what under 555 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 5: what these analytics are numbers that are are compiled over 556 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 5: a broad scope of data. Yes, how about your team? 557 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 5: How about your team against who you're playing against. Don't 558 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 5: tell me about the analytics being aggressive. Listen, if the 559 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 5: Giants went for it on fourth and fourth and one 560 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 5: at the ten yard line, or fourth and a half 561 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 5: yard or fourth and a yard and a half, I 562 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 5: would say, Okay, I can understand where analytics is playing 563 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 5: into this, and you might it's fourth and five. 564 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: Yes, the likelihood of succeeding there is not high. And 565 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 3: to me, this is just all about a mantra that 566 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: Mike Kafka has and he keeps saying it, I just 567 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: want to stay aggressive there. I just wanted to stay aggressive. 568 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 3: I just wanted to stay aggressive. But being aggressive without 569 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: a real plan makes no sense. And you just said 570 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: something was really interesting, Bob. If you're going to use analytics, 571 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: use analytics to the specific team that you're playing, right, 572 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: you have to incorporate what the Minnesota Vikings do defensively 573 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: in the red zone. You have to incorporate, even if 574 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 3: it's not the whole season, what you've been like in 575 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: the tight red zone over the last four or five games. Right, 576 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: analyze to that level of Specif don't just talk about well, 577 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: analytics in general say that you can do X, y 578 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: and z and it's gonna give us a different percentage 579 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: of this percentage of winning a game and scoring points. 580 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 3: That's nonsense because it's not it's not specific enough. It's 581 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 3: like AI trying to find an answer for you when 582 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 3: you know it's going to be wrong between. 583 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: Five and eight yards. 584 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 5: This year, coming into the game on third downs between 585 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 5: five and eight yards of Giants, we are under fifty 586 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 5: percent between five and eight yards. Defensively, Minnesota had given 587 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 5: up only ten of forty three. So what analytics could 588 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 5: be telling you, Yeah, we should go for it against 589 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 5: these guys? 590 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 3: Right, come on, especially when the field is short. That's 591 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: just a general stat when so, when the field is 592 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 3: shorter in the in the red area. 593 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 5: Let's ground to cover again against a team that is 594 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 5: tied for second in the NFL and red zone defense, right, well, 595 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 5: just kick the field goal? Okay again, if it's fourth 596 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 5: and one, I'm with you, I got it. But no, 597 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 5: your team, no, your left guard's not there. No, you 598 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 5: have no receivers gonna make above x as and almost play. 599 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: And even the guys that are out there on the 600 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: field sometimes they're gonna drop it. 601 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: Let's take a time out. We'll come back. Giants fall 602 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: to the Viking sixteen to thirteen. We'll be back with more. 603 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: Jackson dar from the podium. Were gonna have Andrew Thomas 604 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: downstairs as well. He left the game with the hamstring injury. 605 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 2: That and a whole lot more as we continue here 606 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: from met Life Stadium. 607 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 7: You are listening to Giants extra point on the WFAN 608 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 7: Giants Radio network. 609 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 15: This is Tyler Newman and you listening to Giants football 610 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 15: on the Fan WFAN and Wfan FM, New York. 611 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 16: Second four Birds gets a sack of courses, the football 612 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 16: scooped up by the Giants. 613 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 17: I'm running it into the end. 614 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 18: Zonis Tyler Newman for the Giant touchdown. 615 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 16: Spider Man Bryant Burns with a sack Horse football and 616 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 16: Tyler Newman whether his first career touchdown on the Giants 617 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 16: first defensive score of the year, Get big Blue right 618 00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 16: back in it. 619 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 2: That was today's play of the game, brought to you 620 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: locally by Ford one performance and capability at every turn, 621 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: Yet behind the wheel of a new Ford truck, the 622 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: resuv Ford official truck and SUV of the New York 623 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: Football Giants. The Giants loan touchdown today Brian Burns the 624 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: sack strip recovery return for a touchdown by Tyler Newman. 625 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: Brian Burns, by the way, two sacks today, now fifteen 626 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: on the year, second in the NFL to Miles Garrett, 627 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: who I did not check. Does anybody know if he 628 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: broke the sack record today, Miles Garrett? 629 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 4: Do not. 630 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: He only needed one one to tie one to tie 631 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 3: in to break, correct. 632 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: I will check that in a second. I have not 633 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: seen that yet, so we will check that for you. 634 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: Burns has continued to play well this year for the Giants, 635 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: one of their best players. Another one of the best 636 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 2: players is offensive tackle Andrew Thomas, who has been excellent 637 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: since he came back from his injury. Heard his hamstring today, 638 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 2: had to leave the game. He spoke to the media 639 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: after the game. Let's hear what Andrew Thomas had to. 640 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 19: Say and howary feeling? And you know they said it 641 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 19: to Hampshire Field. 642 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 10: Yes, sure I don't. We haven't did then image yet, 643 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 10: so we'll see tomorrow what the diagnosis is. 644 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 19: Do you have any feeling for if circumstances were different, 645 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 19: could you have gone back in the game. 646 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 10: Or not really talked to the training stats at halftime 647 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 10: and we decided it was the best thing to stay. 648 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: Out concerned because you have a hamstring. 649 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 9: It's the same leg and different I mean, obviously missed 650 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 9: a lot of time and that fast. 651 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: Any concern for you with that. 652 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 9: Or it feels different? 653 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 11: Are do just feel like what happened to you? 654 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 9: You know two years ago? 655 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 10: I think it's different, But like I said, I haven't 656 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 10: got to admire yet. So once we see that, then 657 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 10: we'll go go from there. 658 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 20: Andrew, there was a lot of talk about the chaos 659 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 20: that the Vikings Blitz package causes. Now that you've had 660 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 20: a chance to see it firsthand and feel it firsthand, 661 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 20: what were your thoughts about how you handled it? 662 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's what they've done all year. 663 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 10: They have designer pressures depending on who you're going against. Communication, 664 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 10: getting to the lune of scrimmage and the execution is 665 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 10: the biggest thing when you're playing defense like that. That 666 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 10: we didn't do a good a good enough job of 667 00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 10: that today. 668 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 20: Is it more different cult when you actually play against 669 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 20: it than what you see on film? And then also 670 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 20: obviously we found out right before the game that running 671 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 20: was not available, so now you're gonna have to have 672 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 20: a substitution, which I would assume makes things a little 673 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 20: more difficult. 674 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean definitely having continuity helps when it comes 675 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 10: with things like that. Communication is big when they have 676 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 10: all the different pressures and different alignments, and I think 677 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 10: we would prepare. We just didn't execute well enough. 678 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 19: To me, I haven't there down there, I do how 679 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 19: much of a factor was that you guys only had 680 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 19: thirty three passing yard so obviously it was also difficult 681 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 19: the game and going with the wind. 682 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 10: I don't I'm not sure if the wind had much 683 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 10: factor in it. 684 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 21: They're just don't do well enough. 685 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 8: You know, many fat starters. 686 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 9: I have it to find out there, which is pub 687 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 9: Jackson kind of him. 688 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: Of the New York Giants, And now Jackson DARTI is 689 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: heading to the podium downstairs. 690 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: Let's go listen into what he has to stay to 691 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: the media. 692 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 13: I feel like fact down it was just a big 693 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 13: you know, especially first half cover zero team, so always 694 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 13: bringing the guy that was extra. Then we had blocking, 695 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 13: and you know that was kind of the what we saw, 696 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 13: you know, third and fourth down. It's kind of what 697 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 13: it did, especially in the. 698 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 9: First off you. I mean, obviously the game plan was 699 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 9: very run heavy. Was that something you embraced coming into 700 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 9: the game. I mean it was very few chances if 701 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 9: you throw the ball so many the first half. 702 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 13: Yeah, I I I trust the the coaches game plan 703 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 13: each week. 704 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 12: You understand it. 705 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 13: You have conversations and you know, my jobs just to 706 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 13: go to go out there and execute, you know, play 707 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 13: that's being called. 708 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 11: And yeah, okay, so you had a little conversation with 709 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 11: each of the other quarterbacks that block what what were 710 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 11: they trying. 711 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 9: To tell you? 712 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 12: I guess and yeah, I'm just gonna keep that in 713 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 12: between us. 714 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 9: Excellent. And we talked to you earlier in the season. 715 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 9: I forget specifically, which the loss of it after me 716 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 9: you were very young and and you had said that 717 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 9: you don't want this to become the norm. 718 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: You're not used that, you don't want this. 719 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 9: You got to snap the hole and not make this 720 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 9: become what happens. We've got to be uh, unfortunately here 721 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 9: it has the loss that you've kept piling up. How 722 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 9: have you been able to process this and and keep 723 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 9: your around up and things just. 724 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 13: Happen to be working for you. 725 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 10: Guys out. 726 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 22: It's just a a new experience I've never you know, 727 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 22: been through before, and that doesn't make it any easier 728 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 22: than what it is. And you just try to do 729 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 22: your best to stay positive as much as you can, and. 730 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 12: You know, there's just a quick turnaround each week. 731 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 13: So I feel like, you know, the times where you know, 732 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 13: you hang on a loss for too long, it goes 733 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 13: into you know, your next gaming preps. So you know, 734 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 13: that's kind of just the mentality and process that I've. 735 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 12: Just you know, tried to have you continue to. 736 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 9: Start of your development in the league this year. Are 737 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 9: there certain plays today that you. 738 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 10: Wanna go exactly look at and just say I want 739 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 10: another look at those, just to make sure. 740 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 12: You're processing the way you use have the process. 741 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 13: Yeah, I would say, you know, probably early on in 742 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 13: the game, you know there's a you know, a few 743 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 13: plays where you know, just decision wise, you know, check wise, 744 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 13: I feel like I could have done a little bit more. 745 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 13: So those are kind of the the ones that are 746 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 13: you know, on the top of my mind at this 747 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 13: moment where you gotta go back and once you tape did. 748 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 9: Your accident, you want your team here, for this team 749 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 9: with not your. 750 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 12: Losses, Just what are your emotions, is it why? 751 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 13: Mm still just you know, tryna process this one. It's 752 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 13: kind of just a hard question to ask or answer. 753 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 13: So it's a hard question to answer now, just you know, 754 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 13: being so fresh and. 755 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 12: You know obviously this is just not. 756 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: How you know. 757 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 13: You you plan it out to go, you know, in 758 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 13: your head before. 759 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 12: The season, so you know, it's it's definitely been difficult. 760 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 19: Do you think you think you guys had enough answers 761 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 19: to what they ran on defense today, like the in 762 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 19: to what. 763 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 9: You what you saw and what options you had. 764 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 13: Y you trust the game plan, you have those conversations 765 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 13: with the coaches, and you know, you just do your 766 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 13: best to to execute. And you know, for myself and 767 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 13: and for our team, we had opportunities and we d 768 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 13: we didn't. 769 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 12: Do that at a you know, a level enough to 770 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 12: to win the game. 771 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 11: Was just as uncomfortable as you think you have felt 772 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 11: in the pocket since. 773 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 9: You've been here. 774 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 4: Mm. 775 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 12: Yeah, I T I thought they did a good job. 776 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 12: Thought they did a good job with you. 777 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 13: Know, staying through to rush lanes and you know, the 778 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 13: the the opportunities that you have, you know, in the 779 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 13: game when you know you're kind of in those exotic downs, 780 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 13: and you know when they're trying to light it up, 781 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 13: you know, you'd you just try to your best to 782 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 13: you know, stay composed during all that. But I thought that, 783 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 13: you know, they did a good job. 784 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 23: The fortunate part of it is you get to a situation, 785 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 23: you prepare so much for this defense what you thought. 786 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 12: You would get, then the game starts. 787 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 23: When you're leave here, do you feel more prepared? You know, 788 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 23: unfortunately this league is a one game and that's it. 789 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 23: But if you were to see this team again next weekend, 790 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 23: do you feel like you would go into that game 791 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 23: because of what you experienced today maybe a little bit 792 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 23: differently prepared to face them now that you've seen them. 793 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 13: Well, I didn't think that there was anything that I 794 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 13: felt like I hadn't seen on film. You know, we 795 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 13: kind of knew how they were early downs and then 796 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 13: when they got into you know, exotic downs depending on 797 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 13: where the ball was on the field. 798 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 12: But we were gonna see and you know, opportunity wise, 799 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 12: I think that you just have to be great. 800 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 13: You know when you have those opportunities, you know to 801 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 13: throw the ball, and a lot of them are you know, 802 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 13: I'm throw down. You gotta be able to you know, 803 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 13: make those plays and and uh, you know everybody'd be 804 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 13: on the same page. 805 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 9: You might have been helpful to throw the. 806 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 12: Bit and more on those early downs. Uh I I 807 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 12: I trusted the plan. 808 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 13: We had conversations and you know, as players, you know, 809 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 13: we have communication with the coaches and you go there 810 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 13: and you just your best to execute what. 811 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 12: It's been called. 812 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 6: Have you have you have you been ever been part 813 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 6: of the game? 814 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 9: I think it was thirteen passing yards? 815 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 12: No, I haven't, I think close? 816 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 9: What would you guys? Then I have to I have 817 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 9: to do a game of this. I you don't want 818 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 9: to live the details of it. But what do Jamis 819 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 9: and Russ What are they able to give you as 820 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 9: better in quarterbacks when you're seeking accounsel after. 821 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 12: A tough game like this? Probably the big thing is perspective. 822 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 12: You know they've been through a lot. 823 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 13: You know they've had, you know, crazy good games, they've 824 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 13: awed games where you know they struggle themselves. 825 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 6: And you know, so a lot of this is. 826 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 12: You know, new for me, and you know you definitely 827 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 12: you know, lean on those guys and have those conversations. 828 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 9: Since you've come back from from the cancussion. 829 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 20: Uh. 830 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 9: Statistic our numbers on every statistically, they haven't been three 831 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 9: stellar games between Washington or in the new one. Have 832 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 9: you noticed things specifically. 833 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 19: From the defense maybe playing you a little bit differently 834 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 19: than before that compared to. 835 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 9: How they are now? 836 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 12: Now, I wouldn't I wouldn't say too much. I mean, y, 837 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 12: each defense is different than you play tweak. 838 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,240 Speaker 13: So you know, you just do your best to t 839 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 13: prepare and you know whatever it is called you start 840 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 13: right they're next year. 841 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 9: What do you hope you take away from this gap? 842 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 12: Yeh mean, just not let it happen again like this. 843 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 9: So if you've done Jackson the positives of your anasts. 844 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 17: But you by the end of the game, you have 845 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 17: three different offensive linemen, different stories. 846 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: You've been pligned with. 847 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 12: What was that like? 848 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 9: You said, duh, a different offensive line? You had three 849 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 9: of your starters out? 850 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 12: What was that like for you? 851 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 13: Now, I've I've gotten ups of all those guys throughout 852 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 13: my time here, so you know, this is probably the 853 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 13: first time we've had that much movement and rotation uh 'em. 854 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 13: But you know, I've I trust in all those guys 855 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 13: and you know, they prepare it and it work really hard, 856 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 13: and you know, so you know I've I've all the 857 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 13: trust in the world in them. 858 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 23: After it, after you guys tied it up, After you 859 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 23: guys tied it up, and then the defense was on 860 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 23: the field. Could watching you from up top on the sideline, 861 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 23: you were, you know, bouncing back and forth, pacing around. 862 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 23: What's the mentality in that situation or are you blocking 863 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 23: everything else out and just say give me one more shot? 864 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 14: Yeah? 865 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 13: Absolutely, that's definitely what's what's going through your mind. And 866 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 13: I felt like I thought the defense played it an 867 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 13: amazing game and could have had another another touchdown, you know, 868 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 13: So I thought they did. 869 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 12: A great job tonight. You know, we just didn't play. 870 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 12: Get enough complimentary football off of 'em. 871 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 9: What pretty big factor today? 872 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 10: What are you learning about the wads about the stadium? 873 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 12: Mm? I didn't feel like it was going you know 874 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 12: that whole too. 875 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 10: I know it wasn't today going to say in general 876 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 10: that you've had last week he had some ways just 877 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 10: this O everything would just say it as you then. 878 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 9: You play here at home, the win is always about, 879 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 9: so at you're learning anything about how do you played 880 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 9: a win in the meadlelands. 881 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 13: As things that you know, you know, kind of the 882 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 13: red repport before the game, but I didn't feel like 883 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 13: there was any really wind factor to even kind of 884 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 13: make adjustments off of today for me personally, how. 885 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 12: Do you deal with drops by receivers? 886 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 13: Just to you know, what I could have done better to, 887 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 13: you know, make it easier for him? 888 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: Thank you? 889 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 2: Yes, that's Jackson already after the game. Our player press 890 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 2: conferences are brought to you by MetLife, the official insurance 891 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: company of the New York Giants. 892 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: Will come back. 893 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 2: React to that we hear from Dexter Lawrence downstairs, then 894 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 2: a whole lot more when we come back. Giants fall 895 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 2: to the Vikings sixteen to thirteen of MetLife Stadium will 896 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 2: be right back. 897 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 7: You're listening to Giants Extra Point on the Wfan Giants 898 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 7: Radio Network. 899 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 4: This is Tyron Tracy Jr. 900 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 13: And you're listening to Giants Football on the Fan w 901 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 13: FA N and w FA N FM, New York. 902 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 2: Back here on Giants Extra Point. Giants fall to the 903 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 2: Vikings sixteen to thirteen. They lose their ninth straight. Guys 904 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 2: reactions to toy Or from Andrew Thomas, He did not 905 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 2: sound super enthusiastic this store hamstring. 906 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like this could be something that Lingers, 907 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 3: and with two weeks to go, you might not see 908 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 3: Andrew Thomas again. It's not necessarily a horrible thing because 909 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 3: you're gonna get Marcus Bow a lot of snaps protecting 910 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 3: Jackson Dart's backside here for these last couple of games, 911 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,479 Speaker 3: and so it'll be good for the young player to play. 912 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 3: But it does sound like Andrew Thomas is not optimistic 913 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 3: to be back this season. 914 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 2: And then Jackson doar Bob not many answers as to 915 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 2: the struggles today. 916 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 5: Ah No, this had a little bit of a feel 917 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 5: of Eli's rookie year with the zero quarterback rating against Baltimore. 918 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 5: In Baltimore, the only difference is is that you know, 919 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 5: Eli had Tom Coughlin, Eli had Kevin Gilbride, right, he 920 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 5: had Chris Palmer, like he there, it. 921 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 4: Was the beginning for Jackson Dart. 922 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 5: Yes, this is the beginning, but it's a whole new 923 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 5: group that's coming in. 924 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: Next It'll be another new beginning, right right, So it's 925 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: it's a little bit different. 926 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 5: And also, you know Eli's rookie year, he had a 927 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,919 Speaker 5: moni tumor, and he had Tiki Barber, and he had 928 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 5: he had Jeremy Shocky, he had like legitimate players on 929 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 5: the team offensively that you felt like, Okay, the old 930 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 5: line's gonna grow and. 931 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's whole line at that point was still young. 932 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 3: I mean they were young, correct, they were they barely 933 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 3: had killed together, and all of a sudden they end 934 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 3: up playing basically four years maybe five years without missing 935 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 3: a game. 936 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 5: Correct, But they had but he had you, yeah, and 937 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 5: he had a Moni tumor, and he had Jeremy Shaki, Like, Okay, 938 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 5: this was a bad game against the defense that totally 939 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 5: befuddled and and betwixt him. But there is a reason 940 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 5: there are there are pieces, there are legit pieces around. 941 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 5: I don't know if Jackson Dart has that same scenario. 942 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 5: He does not have Tiki Barber, he does not have 943 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 5: am Now he does have Molik neighbors when he eventually 944 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 5: gets back. 945 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, this is all part of the learning curve. 946 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can argue that this skilled position players other 947 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 3: than Theo Johnson who that he's playing with in this game. 948 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 4: I guess. 949 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 3: I guess Tyrone Tracy will be here for the next 950 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 3: few couple of years. But who is going to be 951 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 3: here and be the potential pro bowler that's going to 952 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 3: play with Jackson Dart. 953 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 2: That's the question that you have to ask yourself. I 954 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 2: was playing today, No, but I think Cam Scatabu can 955 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 2: come back. 956 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 14: Yeah. 957 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,919 Speaker 3: I mean I'm talking about playing today and playing next 958 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 3: week against the Las Vegas Raiders and then playing in 959 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 3: weeks eight seventeen or week eighteen actually against the Dallas Cowboys. 960 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 3: Which of those players is he building with so that 961 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 3: next season they can start having confidence in what they're 962 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 3: doing together. It's no different than what we had had 963 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 3: the conversation with about Abdul Carter last weekend. How you're 964 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 3: not building for momentum for a team next year, but 965 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 3: as an individual, you could figure something out, something could click, 966 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 3: the light switch could go on, and all of a sudden, 967 00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 3: each and every week you start balling. And by the way, 968 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 3: Abdol Carter had a pretty decent day today affecting the offense, 969 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 3: the Minso's offense. He had a sack again, and so 970 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 3: it felt like maybe he's starting to figure it out 971 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 3: and that's a good thing for next year. But for 972 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 3: Jackson Dart, what the heck is he figuring out with 973 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 3: these guys who can't hold on the passes And you 974 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 3: have a day like you had the day which was 975 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 3: clearly his worst offensive output that we've seen. 976 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 2: All seasonson his fifteenth in the NFL at the eight 977 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two receiving games. 978 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 4: I understand that, But what did Wando Robinson do today? 979 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 4: He did not do much. 980 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: My point is just going back to that ELI situation. 981 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 5: You know, not only was their tumor and shocky antiki, 982 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 5: there was also a killer as part of that, right, 983 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 5: you know there was so yeah, it's a little bit different, 984 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 5: and you knew that it was just the beginning of something. 985 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 5: Tom Coughlin took an expansion franchise in Jacksonville and in 986 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 5: year two had him in an AFC championship game, and 987 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 5: then had him in another conference championship game a few 988 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 5: years later. You had known quantity there. It's a little 989 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 5: bit different here with Dart with a lot of the 990 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 5: unknown moving forward. 991 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 1: You mentioned a good game by abdul Carter. He'd a 992 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: sacking this game. 993 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 2: A couple of tackles be diaded that crucial offsides penalty 994 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 2: late in that game as well to take a potential 995 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 2: pick six off the board. 996 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 1: Let's hear from abdual Carter in the locker room after. 997 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 20: Games a solid defensive after what you still kept the 998 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 20: team under twenty points for then't enough to win? 999 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 18: How much do us it? 1000 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 24: Yeah, obviously it's frustrating, But like I said, the defense, 1001 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,439 Speaker 24: we got to control control that. He was the second 1002 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 24: best defense today. We got a little dad. We got 1003 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 24: to come back attacking me better. 1004 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 20: Yet we did get another shot today, third straight game 1005 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 20: we've been able to do that. I mean, things will 1006 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 20: still come along for you. 1007 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 24: It looks like, Yeah, I wouldn't just say shout out 1008 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 24: to Chuck for that. Obviously our DC are new. DC 1009 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 24: is putting us, putting me in better positions out of defense. 1010 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 24: Trusts him, he's talking to us, he's communicating. He has 1011 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 24: our are So shout out of Chuck for that. 1012 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 20: What do you think was the most difficult part about 1013 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 20: the thorn and lungs. It seemed like they had a 1014 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 20: number of those conversions. 1015 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 24: Yeah, that's that's the part that hurts the boss. Uh, 1016 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 24: we gotta get off the field. We get we get 1017 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 24: a team in the situation like that, that's the situation 1018 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 24: we want. We just gotta get off the field. 1019 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 20: The Vikings drive when they finally killed the clock, how 1020 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 20: difficult was that to swallow. What were you guys looking for? 1021 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 20: You knew obviously you needed to pull back one more time. 1022 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 24: Yeah, just tried to get the ball back to the 1023 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 24: oh so that you make it play for us. 1024 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 10: We didn't end up getting it. 1025 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 9: Gotta come back to better. 1026 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 11: When you see the interception and you know it's called back, 1027 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 11: you know right away that they called you for that. 1028 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 24: No, I didn't know it was me, but I think 1029 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 24: I heard in the last figure that that hurt me. Uh, 1030 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 24: I hurt the team right there, especially for Holley to 1031 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 24: go back to the house. 1032 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 4: That's on me. 1033 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 9: I got you better. 1034 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: Did you realize that you had jumped at me? 1035 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:36,919 Speaker 20: You just trying? 1036 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:37,959 Speaker 9: I didn't. 1037 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 24: I don't think I jumped this set. My hand was 1038 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 24: in a interest on something like that. But yeah, that wone' hurt. 1039 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,439 Speaker 9: Did you go back and look at it, like, did 1040 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 9: you did you see it? I seen him on replay. 1041 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 2: That's at due quarter after the game, guys, and just 1042 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 2: obviously you know you see your teammate get a pick 1043 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 2: six Tiki. 1044 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: As someone that played the game, I'm sure. 1045 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 6: Yeah. 1046 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever been in a situation 1047 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 2: like that, unough you maybe got called for a holding 1048 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 2: penalty or something like that on the d pass for 1049 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,280 Speaker 2: a touchdown or whatever. But I imagine those particularly sting 1050 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 2: when you see your teammate make a great play and 1051 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,399 Speaker 2: you did something boneheaded and that takes it off the ball. 1052 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and God, and when I went back 1053 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 3: going to look at this multiple times, it's really close. 1054 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 3: I mean, I know his hand is on the line. 1055 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 3: It is technically a ear line up in the neutral zone, 1056 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 3: but it's very close. And it's unfortunate because that was 1057 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 3: a huge play that this Giants defense had made in 1058 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 3: addition to all the other big plays that they've made. 1059 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 3: I mean, they had four sacks in this game, and 1060 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 3: Abdul Carter, while having one sack, also had two or 1061 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 3: four QB hits. 1062 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 4: Which led the team as well. 1063 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 3: So he was constantly a nuisance for whichever one of 1064 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 3: those two quarterbacks was back there from Minnesota. 1065 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 5: He kind of took a shot a little bit at 1066 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 5: the pass defensive coordinator because he mentioned Charlie Balling, and 1067 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 5: carl Banks noticed it, you know, and has noticed it. 1068 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 5: They seem to have more of a plan on how 1069 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 5: to utilize it. 1070 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,399 Speaker 1: They're getting him on guards and centers a lot. 1071 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're moving him around. They're not just having him 1072 00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 5: come off the edge and listen. Kudos to kudos to 1073 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,320 Speaker 5: you know, them figuring out a way to get him unleashed. 1074 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 5: And you know, I think that's a positive sign. I'm 1075 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 5: too little, too late, but for him and his maturation process, 1076 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:12,760 Speaker 5: that's good news. 1077 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 2: Let's plus ten seconds for station identification on the WFA 1078 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 2: and Giants radio network. 1079 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 7: You are holing morning, He's from six to ten doublefan, DOUBLEFA, 1080 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 7: n FM, WFA n FMHD. 1081 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 14: One, New York. 1082 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 2: All right, Bob, you're gonna bounce here. Give me your 1083 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 2: final thoughts. You can even look ahead a little bit 1084 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 2: next week against the Raiders. 1085 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: What do you yeah, I don't know. I mean, the 1086 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 1: Raiders are the worst team in the league. 1087 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 4: I know. 1088 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 5: Look, the Giants only have two wins. But you know, 1089 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 5: the last two weeks have been miserable. But you know, 1090 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 5: over the course of this season, there's been great opportunities. 1091 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 5: But you know, it's gonna be interesting to see because 1092 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 5: we were encouraged about Marcus bow, uh coming out of 1093 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 5: training camp. 1094 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: What we saw. 1095 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 5: We're gonna get a look at Marcus Bow now n 1096 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 5: Crosby Max Crosby and Co. Company Crosby hasn't turned it off. 1097 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 5: And you know, Carl Banks always talks about the Jenga piece, 1098 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,839 Speaker 5: and unfortunately for the Giants the last two years, when 1099 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 5: Andrew Thomas, the Jenga piece has been pulled out, the 1100 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 5: offensive line has collapsed. Now you look at other teams, 1101 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 5: I mean, look what the Chargers are doing. They're missing 1102 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 5: two Pro Bowl tackles, right, not one, but two. We've 1103 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,320 Speaker 5: got against teams that are missing starting Pro Bowl offensive 1104 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,839 Speaker 5: linemen and they haven't fallen apart. I want to see 1105 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 5: what the Giants do to make it look presentable, missing 1106 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 5: an All Pro kind of player, because it should not 1107 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,320 Speaker 5: be a Jenga piece when now all of a sudden 1108 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 5: they can't run, they can't or they can't do anything. 1109 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 5: And I would expect them to be better than we've 1110 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 5: seen in past years. But we don't wish all of 1111 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 5: our listeners a very happy holiday. I Knowlhonka is in 1112 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 5: full swing and Christmas is coming up on Thursday, So 1113 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 5: enjoy the holidays and uh, don't fret too much. Hopefully 1114 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 5: next week we can get things rolling with the end 1115 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 5: this losing streak at least again. We do this because 1116 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 5: we want to see wins. I don't really care about 1117 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 5: a draft pick because it's not necessarily who you pick 1118 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 5: or when you pick them. It's who's picking them and 1119 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 5: right right decisions right because you know, speaking of picks, 1120 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 5: I mean, Jalen Hyatt's a healthy scratch. 1121 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: Today, there's Owie Hook. 1122 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 2: Wherever you pick in the NFL draft, there's going to 1123 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 2: be a very good player that you can select. You 1124 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 2: just got to select the right guy right and then 1125 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 2: help him become a really development NFL player, correct, Because 1126 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 2: it's not all guys that get hot drafted first second round. 1127 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 4: They're all not all good right away. 1128 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 3: Times round picks fifty percent hit right pretty much, man, 1129 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,839 Speaker 3: but sometimes it takes some time. 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We'll have some more audio 1175 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 2: from the locker room up until next basketball coming. 1176 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: Your way at five fifty. Right here on the. 1177 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,719 Speaker 2: Fan, we'll break it down here for more players, post game, 1178 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 2: and a whole lot more when we come back after this. 1179 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 15: This is Brian Burns and you're listening to Giants Football 1180 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,400 Speaker 15: on the fan w f A n and w f 1181 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,120 Speaker 15: A N FM, New York. 1182 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 2: We're back here on Giants Extra Point. Giants fall to 1183 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,359 Speaker 2: the Vikings sixteen to thirteen. That's nine straight losses. Now 1184 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 2: for the Giants, they're two and thirteen with two games remaining. 1185 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:15,720 Speaker 4: That's ugly. 1186 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 2: John Schmolke, Ticky Barber joined by Paul Detino. We'll take 1187 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 2: you up until five point fifty when NETS basketball comes 1188 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,879 Speaker 2: your way. Right here on the fan. After the game, 1189 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,880 Speaker 2: Brian Burns, what are the team captains? He had two 1190 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 2: sacks today, the force fumble that turned into the Giants 1191 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 2: loan touchdown returned by Tyler Newman for a score. 1192 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,760 Speaker 1: He talked to the media after the game. Here's Brian Burns. 1193 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 9: You're in your uniform again long after this one. 1194 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 12: Reply, But you were in your uniform long after this game. 1195 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,839 Speaker 15: If I was offside, coming along with you, hanging. 1196 00:51:50,760 --> 00:52:04,920 Speaker 9: Talking to the drive talk. 1197 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 1: When you're you know right, nine knew nine lost in 1198 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,879 Speaker 1: the kind What was that suit? 1199 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,840 Speaker 9: Gall guess that's a numbers Is it the fueling? 1200 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 6: What does it feel like? 1201 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 12: I guess the Nine Straights country. 1202 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 15: You know, it's the same feeling as it was last week. 1203 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,719 Speaker 15: You know it's annoying, you know it's a little disappointing, 1204 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 15: but you know you just gotta keep swinging. 1205 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 12: Does it feel more disappointed? 1206 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: Ice played the way they. 1207 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 23: Did almost gonna getting the turnovers, making those players just 1208 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 23: holding N twenty. 1209 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 9: Points a bit. 1210 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 15: But you know, we shot ourselves in the foot which 1211 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,399 Speaker 15: brought that back. So you know, we can't blame nobody 1212 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 15: but ourselves. 1213 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 19: I don't wanna be disrespectful to them. 1214 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 5: But when they put up rookie, undrafted rookie. 1215 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,800 Speaker 19: Quarterback in the game for the second half, are you 1216 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 19: expecting you guys. 1217 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 9: To kind of tee off on him? 1218 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:43,759 Speaker 4: Nah? 1219 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 6: I d I knew he wasn't going to. 1220 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 12: I knew they wasn't gonna let us. 1221 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 15: They was barely letting us tee off on McCarthy. 1222 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:50,879 Speaker 18: And you know that's just due to how. 1223 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 15: The game was going. You know, they they ran like uh, 1224 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,799 Speaker 15: I think like four or five screens and like the 1225 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 15: first eleven players or some something crazy like that. But 1226 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 15: you know, they they I think, I like that game 1227 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 15: plan was to you know, try to neutralize the line, 1228 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 15: let make the reads easy for him, let it let 1229 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 15: him get the ball to JJ get in the rhythm. 1230 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 15: So you know they weren't gonna let it see off 1231 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 15: on either one of 'em. 1232 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 19: This is what did you I'm sorry, I was like 1233 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 19: coming over, what did you see on your stripped sack 1234 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 19: that you were totally unlocked. 1235 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 1: Yet very often they don't. But I ain't a lie. 1236 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,680 Speaker 1: This year, I've been getting a couple of free beats. 1237 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,399 Speaker 15: I don't know, I'm living right, But I didn't see 1238 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,960 Speaker 15: much of nothing. I think the the tackle must have 1239 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 15: squeezed down after the chip or something like that. 1240 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 9: I don't know. 1241 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 15: And it looked like he was It looked like he 1242 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 15: was losing the ball as I hit him. 1243 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 9: So it just worked out. 1244 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 1: When did you gut checked? What? 1245 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:36,879 Speaker 6: What? 1246 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:37,319 Speaker 10: What? 1247 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: Injury checked? 1248 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:38,800 Speaker 9: Uh? 1249 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,319 Speaker 15: Seventy six? Clean me up? They were just going through 1250 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 15: you know, regular protocol or whatever. But I'm just upset 1251 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,040 Speaker 15: I didn't get a chance to get back. 1252 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,000 Speaker 19: They seemed like you might not have been happy with 1253 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 19: the No, it wasn't dirty play. 1254 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:53,719 Speaker 9: It wasn't dirty. 1255 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 10: It's football play. 1256 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 15: But Fries, it looked like, uh, dark came by to 1257 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 15: talk to you before you went and got checked out. 1258 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 1: Was everything specifically that he said that you could share 1259 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: with us. 1260 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,400 Speaker 15: No, he was just like motivating. I don't think he 1261 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,919 Speaker 15: knew what was going on yet. 1262 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,080 Speaker 12: That was all that was. 1263 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 2: That's Brian Burns after the game. Another big game for him, Tiki. Yeah, 1264 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,399 Speaker 2: he continues to play well, and he's right. You look, 1265 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,319 Speaker 2: when you get fifteen sacks in the year, you're you're 1266 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 2: gonna get some freebies and you're gonna get some help 1267 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,680 Speaker 2: in there. And he's gotten a few of those unblocked 1268 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,239 Speaker 2: ones or clean up sacks this year. But he's one 1269 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,239 Speaker 2: of those guys that's always been better than his sack 1270 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,080 Speaker 2: numbers have vindicated. So I feel like this is some 1271 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,479 Speaker 2: of the you know, things coming around from some earlier 1272 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 2: years in your career. 1273 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 1: Maybe he was better than the sack numbers may have indicated. 1274 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 3: The best thing you can say about Brian Burns is 1275 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 3: that you know what you're getting every single week. 1276 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 4: That's right. 1277 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 3: He is coming with the with the same intensity and 1278 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,320 Speaker 3: the same fire that he had at the very beginning 1279 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,520 Speaker 3: of the season. And I know this is frustrating for 1280 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,520 Speaker 3: him and he even said it, you can hear. 1281 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 4: It in his voice. 1282 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 3: Because of his last three seasons, you know this this 1283 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,200 Speaker 3: one obviously the last one. Last year, which was his 1284 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 3: first year with the New York Giants. They won three 1285 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,520 Speaker 3: games his last year and in Caroline he won three games. 1286 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 3: Think it's been a bad stretch for a guy who 1287 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,799 Speaker 3: is a very good football player, and ultimately you want 1288 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,040 Speaker 3: to win, right, You want to be on a team 1289 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 3: that is gives you pride about, you know, not just 1290 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 3: yourself individually, but about what you're doing as an organization 1291 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,640 Speaker 3: and as a unit. And he thought he was getting 1292 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 3: that when he came to New York and it just 1293 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,839 Speaker 3: hasn't materialized for him. 1294 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 4: So just just listening to him. 1295 00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 3: Throughout the week, you could tell that it's starting to 1296 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 3: wear on him. And for teams that are part for 1297 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,919 Speaker 3: players that are part of losing teams for that long, 1298 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:35,960 Speaker 3: it wears on you. 1299 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 1: Man. 1300 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,319 Speaker 4: Losing sucks, you. 1301 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,000 Speaker 20: Know what, Tiki, And this is why I have so 1302 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 20: much respect for him, because you can hear the pain 1303 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,000 Speaker 20: in his voice and you can see it on his face. 1304 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,600 Speaker 1: It's it's eating him alive. Right. 1305 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,239 Speaker 20: But we watch these games and I know we all 1306 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,799 Speaker 20: talk about sacks, and we all talk about the pressures 1307 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 20: on the quarterback and the players in the pocket. There 1308 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 20: was a play in the first half of this game 1309 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,760 Speaker 20: which to me typify what Brian Burns is all about 1310 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 20: being a pros pro. He was coming off the left 1311 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,439 Speaker 20: edge of the defense and the Vikings ran to draw 1312 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,919 Speaker 20: play and Jones goes up the middle and there's nobody home, 1313 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,040 Speaker 20: they clean out the Giants defensive tackles, and he's about 1314 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 20: to take off on what looks like it could be 1315 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 20: a ten yard run, and there's Brian Burns peeling off the. 1316 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,760 Speaker 18: Edge, stopping on a dime, changing. 1317 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,959 Speaker 20: Direction, coming back horizontally and making the tackle for only 1318 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,160 Speaker 20: a three yard game. That's the kind of play that 1319 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 20: Brian Burns makes that shows you not only what kind 1320 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,879 Speaker 20: of football player he is, but how he is such 1321 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,920 Speaker 20: a professional play. 1322 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 18: All of the misery. 1323 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,719 Speaker 3: It's the effort, regardless of the circumstance or situation. You 1324 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,359 Speaker 3: feel his effort every single play, and you can't say 1325 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,760 Speaker 3: that about everybody. And Tay Banks is the perfect example. 1326 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,320 Speaker 3: He's out there playing like he doesn't care, taking bad angles, 1327 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,680 Speaker 3: not even chasing down after he gets run around by 1328 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 3: Aaron Jones, and. 1329 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,839 Speaker 1: It sucks that he has to play, but he has 1330 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: to play because. 1331 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,440 Speaker 3: Their their their depth is compromised, especially when Cordell Fly 1332 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,440 Speaker 3: went out with a banged up knee. 1333 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,320 Speaker 2: All right, well, well, another player that played well today 1334 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,959 Speaker 2: was Tyron Tracy. Sixteen carries seventy one yards in this game. 1335 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,160 Speaker 2: First two carries of the game went for thirty one yards. 1336 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,479 Speaker 2: An eighteen yard run in the thirteen yard run, also 1337 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,680 Speaker 2: with two catchers for seven yards. He addressed the media 1338 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,640 Speaker 2: after the game. Here's Tyron Tracy Junior. 1339 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 6: Tyrone. 1340 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,760 Speaker 20: We've been talking about him for last month. You seem 1341 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,760 Speaker 20: to have your legs going. You seem to have that 1342 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 20: run game going, and today it was quite for seventy 1343 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 20: plus yards. But I thought it was an effective run. 1344 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,320 Speaker 18: Name even though the fasting game wasn't really working so well. 1345 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think we had a good plan. 1346 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,480 Speaker 12: You know, Online coach, you know Titans coach. 1347 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 13: They came together, put together, put together a great plan 1348 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 13: for the run game, and we went out there and executed. 1349 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,040 Speaker 20: How much did you know about the run game being 1350 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 20: the heavy part of the game plan. 1351 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 18: Going into the leak. 1352 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,360 Speaker 20: I mean, you knew they were gonna blitz a lot, right, 1353 00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,040 Speaker 20: but you couldn't have anticipated the wind was gonna be 1354 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,440 Speaker 20: as cold and as the effective as it was. So 1355 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,480 Speaker 20: what what was the thought going in with the run game? 1356 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,520 Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, we knew that we were gonna run 1357 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 12: the ball. I think as as running backs. 1358 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,720 Speaker 13: We want that these are the type of games that 1359 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 13: we want just because of the uh they're. 1360 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 12: Relying on us to make a place. 1361 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,960 Speaker 15: They're relying on us in the run game to get 1362 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,720 Speaker 15: the offensive going, and that's you know, uh. 1363 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 12: We carry our pride of that type of pride uh within. 1364 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,800 Speaker 24: Our room, just to be the motor of the offense 1365 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 24: and continue to get first out, the first down. 1366 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,440 Speaker 12: And try to get third down time. 1367 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 9: I think today you. 1368 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,400 Speaker 4: Know within the run game, and you know we did 1369 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,240 Speaker 4: that all right. 1370 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,120 Speaker 20: Now. You knew coming in you're gonna run a lot, 1371 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 20: but you also know that when you do try to 1372 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 20: throw it, they're gonna be applying a lot of seat. 1373 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,120 Speaker 4: You knew that your. 1374 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 20: Left guard, your strutting left guard, Runion was out before 1375 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,640 Speaker 20: the game. And yet you guys as running backs after 1376 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,960 Speaker 20: helping that pass protection, how well do you think you 1377 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,400 Speaker 20: did with that, because even though you didn't throw as much, 1378 00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:49,840 Speaker 20: you also. 1379 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 9: Didn't get a lot of your Yeah, I mean I 1380 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,240 Speaker 9: think we did. 1381 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,880 Speaker 24: We had time protecting a lot of Obviously all this 1382 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,280 Speaker 24: kind of stuff up our room. 1383 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 15: I had a whole inde penalty, but for the most part, 1384 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 15: you know, when our number was called, we. 1385 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,880 Speaker 12: Held up our our end of the bargain. But I think 1386 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,320 Speaker 12: overall that the offense. 1387 00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,680 Speaker 1: We just have to clean up the little. 1388 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 24: Details more efficient when you know the type of blitzes 1389 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 24: and stuffs until the time. 1390 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 20: What was the most difficult part of at the last 1391 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,000 Speaker 20: offensive drive that you guys had when you were trying 1392 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 20: to go down to the trying field goal and then 1393 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 20: w end up turning to it over on downs. 1394 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 12: Nothing difficult about it, to be honest. 1395 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 13: I think we had the right play causing we had 1396 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,480 Speaker 13: the right play causing he personally, I got to get 1397 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,960 Speaker 13: more out of some of. 1398 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,439 Speaker 12: The runs that that we had within that last drive. 1399 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,160 Speaker 13: But yeah, I mean I think when when the ball 1400 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,400 Speaker 13: comes your way and you know. 1401 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 12: You have the opportunity to see the moment, you got 1402 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:41,919 Speaker 12: to see the moment. 1403 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,680 Speaker 13: And I think that overall, we as a as an 1404 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,880 Speaker 13: offensive unit, we have to be better that we turn. 1405 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for time, Thank you. And Tracey has really played well. 1406 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 2: No, he has since Scataboo went out and he really 1407 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 2: became like the full time back again. 1408 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,200 Speaker 1: Tikey, he's run the ball hard again. 1409 00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:58,800 Speaker 2: One part of the interview that that we took out 1410 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,760 Speaker 2: of the pre game show, I asked him, I said, look, 1411 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 2: if you always seemed like. 1412 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,520 Speaker 1: At one point during he started running hard again, He goes. 1413 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt a little more confident after the shoulder injury, 1414 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,440 Speaker 2: and I got into it with him again and he 1415 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 2: looks like a guy. 1416 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,560 Speaker 1: Now you went the next year. 1417 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,560 Speaker 2: I think you feel really good about him and Skataboo. Yeah, 1418 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 2: as your two headed back. Reality is you need two 1419 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,000 Speaker 2: running backs. In today's NFL. It's hard for guys. 1420 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,720 Speaker 3: And that's partly because of just the callousing. You don't 1421 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,600 Speaker 3: you don't get that in training camp. You don't get 1422 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 3: guys used to four hundred plus touches. It's also because 1423 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,320 Speaker 3: of the injury issue, meaning you get a nick, they're 1424 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,760 Speaker 3: not letting you play through it anymore. 1425 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:33,200 Speaker 4: Back. 1426 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,440 Speaker 3: You know, in my era, I could play through injuries 1427 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,560 Speaker 3: and just say I'm going I have a hamstring injury, 1428 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 3: I have a broken whatever, it doesn't matter. 1429 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,400 Speaker 4: I'm playing. And so you can't really do that anymore. 1430 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 4: So you need two guys. 1431 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,720 Speaker 3: And I think this combo is good for the New 1432 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,480 Speaker 3: York Giants for two reasons. One because they're so different 1433 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,439 Speaker 3: in mentality camp Scattaboo is gonna try to run through 1434 01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,600 Speaker 3: you or town and Tracy is more of a slasher 1435 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,919 Speaker 3: as we talked about in the pregame. But I think 1436 01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,880 Speaker 3: more importantly they're interchangeable. You don't have to change your 1437 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 3: playbook for each individual. They can both pass partici they 1438 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,960 Speaker 3: can you can keep your playbook exactly the same for 1439 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,000 Speaker 3: both of them, and they can both be productive in 1440 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,040 Speaker 3: whatever offense. It ultimately is is going to be dialed 1441 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,720 Speaker 3: up next year for this New York Giants team with 1442 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,400 Speaker 3: a new staff. So I like his mentality, I like 1443 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,960 Speaker 3: his ability to be a playmaker, and I hope in 1444 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 3: the future he gets a lot more opportunities to do it. 1445 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,480 Speaker 20: Tikky, I want to ask you about his prowess today 1446 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,680 Speaker 20: against this particular defense you faced eight men boxes. 1447 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,680 Speaker 1: All the Eagles used to do it every weekend we 1448 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:34,120 Speaker 1: played them. 1449 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,440 Speaker 18: Yeah, it was just an habitual for you. 1450 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,880 Speaker 20: Now today, I log this until the final four minutes 1451 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,120 Speaker 20: of the game when I was on the field, and 1452 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:41,720 Speaker 20: it's hard for. 1453 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,720 Speaker 18: Me to do the counting. I count the fronts on 1454 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:45,760 Speaker 18: every single play. 1455 01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,960 Speaker 20: Only one carry today for Tyrone Tracy had less than 1456 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 20: six men on the line of scrimming right, only one He. 1457 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,040 Speaker 18: Manned for over seventy yards. 1458 01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,800 Speaker 3: A lot of times some of those guys are bowling 1459 01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,320 Speaker 3: though at the snap doesn't It doesn't matter though, because 1460 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,680 Speaker 3: it's still it's the front. It's still in the camps, right, 1461 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,760 Speaker 3: and it's the pre snap call that you're trying to make, 1462 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,720 Speaker 3: and so it's tell me about the dynamics against the 1463 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:09,479 Speaker 3: six man front. 1464 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:10,800 Speaker 18: So seven man front two. 1465 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,919 Speaker 3: It's really the seven man front you have to work about, 1466 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,280 Speaker 3: worry about because usually when there's six, one of those 1467 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,480 Speaker 3: unblocked guys is going to be backside to you. So 1468 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,480 Speaker 3: if you're cutting back, if you're a slasher like him, 1469 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 3: maybe you have to think about it, but you really 1470 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,440 Speaker 3: can ignore the back the back end guy. The challenge 1471 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,760 Speaker 3: though with seven man boxes is that someone's going to 1472 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 3: be unblocked, and so as a runner, I was always 1473 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,720 Speaker 3: told that's your guy, So you have to understand who's 1474 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,520 Speaker 3: going to be unblocked and where he's going to be unblocked. 1475 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,240 Speaker 3: It like meaning where are you going to come into 1476 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,480 Speaker 3: contact with him? So if he's meeting you in the hole, 1477 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 3: you got to think in your mind pre snap, I'm 1478 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,440 Speaker 3: gonna have to go behind this, right, I'm gonna have 1479 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,680 Speaker 3: to go out. I can't beat him in the hole 1480 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,880 Speaker 3: where there's no room for me to maneuver, so I'm 1481 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,120 Speaker 3: gonna have to likely cut this ball back now if 1482 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,360 Speaker 3: he gets caught up and I can stay play side. Fine. 1483 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,440 Speaker 3: The second part is of that mindset is what if 1484 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,640 Speaker 3: he's just on that second level. And it's at that 1485 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,840 Speaker 3: second level when you really had to start thinking about 1486 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,160 Speaker 3: how am I beating him? 1487 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 1488 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:06,840 Speaker 4: Am I juking him? 1489 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:12,120 Speaker 3: Am I leaning powerful powerfully into him to stagnate his 1490 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:12,760 Speaker 3: attack on me? 1491 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:13,320 Speaker 4: Hopefully? 1492 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,040 Speaker 3: I asked, stay on my feet and I keep going, 1493 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,600 Speaker 3: Or am I stuttering in the hole? Jump cutting outside 1494 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,640 Speaker 3: of it and going around, you know, to the outside. 1495 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 3: So it's it's about having a game plan by knowing 1496 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,840 Speaker 3: that one guy is on blocked. It's my guy. Now, 1497 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 3: it's my job to figure out how to beat him. 1498 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,320 Speaker 3: As she grows as a running back. Did you like 1499 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,360 Speaker 3: how he handled it today? 1500 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:32,760 Speaker 4: Of course? 1501 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,000 Speaker 3: I mean I saw that last years in his rookie season, 1502 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,760 Speaker 3: you'd see him with the unblocked guy. And this was 1503 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,920 Speaker 3: specifically noticeable to me in his first start actually in 1504 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,560 Speaker 3: Seattle as a game that I was calling out there 1505 01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,760 Speaker 3: for CBS, and he would set up that unblocked guy 1506 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,440 Speaker 3: to jump to the wrong side of the block and 1507 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 3: then he'd cut behind it, or he'd set him up 1508 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:54,160 Speaker 3: and then. 1509 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,120 Speaker 4: He'd stay play side. 1510 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,000 Speaker 3: So he does a good job of seeing that second level, 1511 01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,800 Speaker 3: which is which is it's just. 1512 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,880 Speaker 4: Them out for good running backs to break long runs. 1513 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,320 Speaker 3: It's easy to get three, four yards, six yards, oh 1514 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,080 Speaker 3: even a twelve yard run, but to go sixty, to 1515 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,160 Speaker 3: go fifty, you have to be able to think ahead. 1516 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 4: And I think Tyrone will evolve into that eventually. 1517 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,800 Speaker 2: Excellent question, Paul, and I think to give credit to 1518 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,760 Speaker 2: the Giants tight ends because they've had a lot of 1519 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,480 Speaker 2: two and three tight ends sets early in this game, 1520 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,000 Speaker 2: and that's gonna bring those seven to eight man boxes 1521 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,560 Speaker 2: and you have to block those guys up. And I 1522 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,800 Speaker 2: think the Giants tight ends Deo Johnson, Daniel Bellinger, Chris 1523 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,880 Speaker 2: Manhurst most of the year they've done a pretty dark. 1524 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,920 Speaker 1: Good job blocking them. Look, the other thing is that big. 1525 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,160 Speaker 3: Plays don't happen without wide receivers committed the blocking down field. 1526 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,400 Speaker 4: I will be. 1527 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:44,520 Speaker 3: Forever grateful for Plexico, burrs Amani tumor even Ike in his. 1528 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,160 Speaker 1: What's just gotten away a guy it has gotten the 1529 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:47,959 Speaker 1: way it didn't matter. 1530 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,800 Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back and look at some 1531 01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,080 Speaker 3: of my longest runs of my career, you're talking these 1532 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,200 Speaker 3: fifty yarders. The ninety five yarder I had against the 1533 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,200 Speaker 3: Oakland Raiders, right, but I make a guy miss at 1534 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,000 Speaker 3: the point of attack, I beat the safety. 1535 01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 4: It's just ten yards downfield. 1536 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,360 Speaker 3: Now I'm running down the sideline and all of a sudden, 1537 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,560 Speaker 3: I get an escort. So Plexico comes from behind me, 1538 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,360 Speaker 3: picks off one guy. Amani comes from the other side 1539 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,640 Speaker 3: of the field walls off the other guy, and so 1540 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,840 Speaker 3: I can waltz into the end zone without having to 1541 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,200 Speaker 3: juke my way fifty sixty yards downfield. So it's a 1542 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 3: committed effort and it's unselfish play. 1543 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:24,480 Speaker 4: And when I. 1544 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,640 Speaker 1: See wide receivers that do that, it gets me excited. 1545 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,000 Speaker 3: Right, hines Ward was the perfect be one of those 1546 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,240 Speaker 3: guys in the NFL. I mean people forgotten him at 1547 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,520 Speaker 3: this point, but hines Ward as a defender you feared 1548 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,040 Speaker 3: because he was coming to clean you up from somewhere. Right, 1549 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,240 Speaker 3: one of those running backs Mendenhall, whoever it was for 1550 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,520 Speaker 3: the for the Steelers would be ten yards downfield and 1551 01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,560 Speaker 3: hines Ward would come and crush a linebacker. And those 1552 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,440 Speaker 3: type of things spark huge plays and change games. And 1553 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,880 Speaker 3: so we need football players on this team that do that, 1554 01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,920 Speaker 3: not just I'm a dev I got ten catches or 1555 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,680 Speaker 3: ten targets in this in this game, I did something 1556 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 3: to help my teammate have a huge day. 1557 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,240 Speaker 2: All right, let's squeeze in a call here. Let's go 1558 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,919 Speaker 2: to John and haz it before we take our final break. John, 1559 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:08,400 Speaker 2: what's going on? 1560 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:08,600 Speaker 20: Man? 1561 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:09,160 Speaker 4: What's up? John? 1562 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:10,000 Speaker 14: Uh? 1563 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:10,560 Speaker 25: What's up? 1564 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:10,880 Speaker 14: Guys? 1565 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,040 Speaker 25: Just left the game with my Viking fan daughter was 1566 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 25: in Chicago, but she's happy. 1567 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:18,080 Speaker 4: Of course. 1568 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,440 Speaker 25: Listening to Dart's post game, I felt he said the 1569 01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,160 Speaker 25: right things, and I don't believe a word that he said. 1570 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:33,080 Speaker 25: He sounded so frustrated with with the play calling. 1571 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,960 Speaker 21: And listen, they they did it last week too. They 1572 01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,240 Speaker 21: started off. I think he threw ten passes in the 1573 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,320 Speaker 21: first in the first half, and they never rented up. Now, 1574 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,400 Speaker 21: I you know, he did it, throw some great dances, 1575 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,640 Speaker 21: but then when he did he had drops today, which whatever, 1576 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 21: you know, it is what it is. 1577 01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,920 Speaker 25: But he was not happy with Halfka at all. And 1578 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,280 Speaker 25: I think Kafka, you know. 1579 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 21: Made it clear. I don't think he want this job. 1580 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:59,040 Speaker 4: You know, and he didn't. He didn't coach like it done. 1581 01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,360 Speaker 3: You make a good point, because yeah, listening to jack 1582 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,280 Speaker 3: listen to Jackson Dart's press conference appreciate it was a 1583 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:05,960 Speaker 3: couple of things. 1584 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,240 Speaker 4: One, he felt very defeated. 1585 01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,400 Speaker 3: There was a lot of humility in there, but he 1586 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,840 Speaker 3: also was he was holding back saying things that he 1587 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,880 Speaker 3: can't say, like some of these guys just aren't good enough. 1588 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,840 Speaker 3: Like he can't just say that right. He can't say 1589 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,000 Speaker 3: I don't trust Darius Slayton. I threw a perfect ball 1590 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 3: in the middle of his chest and he dropped it. 1591 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,080 Speaker 3: He can't say those things. But you know that's got 1592 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,080 Speaker 3: to be eaten at him. And I hope for him 1593 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,880 Speaker 3: as a leader that he goes and has that conversation 1594 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,760 Speaker 3: with Darius Slayton and says, look, you're here for the 1595 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,400 Speaker 3: next couple of years because the contract that Joe Shane 1596 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,800 Speaker 3: gave you. I need to be able to count on you. 1597 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,000 Speaker 3: I need you to catch that ball. You can't be 1598 01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,920 Speaker 3: lackadaisical and lase a fair about playing this game on 1599 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,040 Speaker 3: any level. I don't give a crap for two and 1600 01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,480 Speaker 3: twelve like this. This matters. Growth matters for meaning for me, 1601 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,840 Speaker 3: and it matters for this team. And until you get 1602 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,160 Speaker 3: that kind of accountability coming from the leaders in this team, 1603 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,560 Speaker 3: what the hell can you expect right, when it's okay 1604 01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,840 Speaker 3: to suck, then guess what you're going to suck. And 1605 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,320 Speaker 3: so I know that Mike Kafka tries to be motivational 1606 01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:17,080 Speaker 3: and inspirational. 1607 01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 4: It's not happening from him. 1608 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,439 Speaker 3: It's gotta come from the guys at ball on the 1609 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,040 Speaker 3: football field. And that's the Brian Purges of the world. 1610 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,120 Speaker 3: That's the Dexses of the world, that's the Jackson Darts 1611 01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,720 Speaker 3: of the world. Hell, even Tyrol and Tracy. Sometimes you 1612 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,360 Speaker 3: gotta be pissed off about mediocrity. And I don't think 1613 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,360 Speaker 3: enough of these guys on this team are upset up 1614 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,720 Speaker 3: because of how poorly they've played over the last couple 1615 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:36,040 Speaker 3: of weeks. 1616 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,680 Speaker 2: So in that first half, just so we have the 1617 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,599 Speaker 2: numbers right, seventeen rushes eighty yards, Jackson Dart was one 1618 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 2: to five for two yards. He did have three other dropbacks. 1619 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,599 Speaker 2: He got sacked twice. He got sacked. The third time 1620 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,360 Speaker 2: it got called back because the unnecessary roughness blow to 1621 01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,080 Speaker 2: the head. So, in fairness to Mike Kafka and Tik 1622 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,880 Speaker 2: talked about this at halftime. When Dark did drop back 1623 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,559 Speaker 2: to pass in that first half, it did not It 1624 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:02,360 Speaker 2: was rough again. 1625 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:02,800 Speaker 1: This isn't. 1626 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,680 Speaker 3: This isn't Mike, This isn't on Mike Cafka. I'm just 1627 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,240 Speaker 3: saying I don't think Mike Kafka. 1628 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:06,280 Speaker 18: Is the guy. 1629 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,920 Speaker 2: No, No, I was caller in terms of talking about the 1630 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,680 Speaker 2: number of runs passes in the first time. 1631 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:12,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that is what it is. 1632 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,200 Speaker 3: You do what you need to do to try to 1633 01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 3: mitigate what's going to be a very aggressive defensive front. 1634 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,120 Speaker 20: And that was exactly players said in the locker room, 1635 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,400 Speaker 20: and you heard Tracy talking about it. They knew it 1636 01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,160 Speaker 20: was going to be a run heavy game plan all along, 1637 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000 Speaker 20: and it should have been, by the way against this Viking. Yeah, 1638 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,680 Speaker 20: so your savers have to go into this game understanding, 1639 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,799 Speaker 20: I'm gonna're not We're not going to get the ball. 1640 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:32,640 Speaker 18: We got to do it. 1641 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:33,680 Speaker 1: But when you do, you do. 1642 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,760 Speaker 2: But when you do get the ball, you better make 1643 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,320 Speaker 2: those players the opportunity. 1644 01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,439 Speaker 3: Don straight when you're gonna get minimal opportunities, but when 1645 01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,000 Speaker 3: you get one, you better make it because it might 1646 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:46,120 Speaker 3: not come again. I think that's that's the message. And 1647 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,280 Speaker 3: this happens all the time in football. Like you have 1648 01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,759 Speaker 3: a game plan, you get out there, you start playing, 1649 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,439 Speaker 3: and it's just it's not quite right, like something feels 1650 01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,599 Speaker 3: off and then somebody's got to step up and make 1651 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:57,800 Speaker 3: an initiative. 1652 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:01,120 Speaker 4: In order to get it right. That needs be Jackson Dart. 1653 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,840 Speaker 3: Now he's still young, so hasn't fully understood uh you know, 1654 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,559 Speaker 3: scheming and game planning and how to attack certain defensive 1655 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,400 Speaker 3: schemes that are gonna come his way. But that's the 1656 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,400 Speaker 3: step you need to see him take so that when 1657 01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,519 Speaker 3: he's at the line of scrimmage, he knows how to 1658 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,280 Speaker 3: get everybody on the on the same page. 1659 01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,360 Speaker 4: And he's got to do it quickly. 1660 01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,400 Speaker 3: He can't be thinking about it and sitting there while 1661 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,240 Speaker 3: the play clock is ticking down to three four or 1662 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,040 Speaker 3: three two and then one. All of a sudden, he's 1663 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,800 Speaker 3: he's hurrying to get the ball snapped. Everybody's confused, and 1664 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,240 Speaker 3: he has no idea what he needs to do. 1665 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,240 Speaker 4: So there's a there's a. 1666 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,960 Speaker 1: Process and growth that needs to happen with him, and 1667 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:33,439 Speaker 1: it'll come. 1668 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,519 Speaker 3: At least I hope it will come. I think he's 1669 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,920 Speaker 3: the guy uh here for the New York Giants. 1670 01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,479 Speaker 1: But that's that's that's the next. 1671 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:41,840 Speaker 4: Step I need to see from Jackson Dart. 1672 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:42,720 Speaker 1: Let's take a time out. 1673 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,519 Speaker 2: We got about twenty four minutes to go, and that's 1674 01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,360 Speaker 2: basketball comes your way of five poin fifty right here 1675 01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:46,720 Speaker 2: on the fan. 1676 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,320 Speaker 1: We'll take your calls the rest of the way. 1677 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,240 Speaker 2: At eight eight eight, eight oh eight one zero one nine, 1678 01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,240 Speaker 2: Giants fall to the Vikings sixteen to thirteen. 1679 01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:53,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. 1680 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,360 Speaker 8: This is Mike Kafka, head coach of the New York Giants, 1681 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,240 Speaker 8: and you're listening to Giants football on the fan Wfan 1682 01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,639 Speaker 8: and Wfan FM. 1683 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,800 Speaker 2: Or we're back here at Giants extra point. Giants fall 1684 01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,920 Speaker 2: to the Vikings sixteen to thirteen. In this ball game, 1685 01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,040 Speaker 2: let's go back to the phone and say what's up 1686 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:12,280 Speaker 2: to Richie and Queen's Richie. 1687 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:13,639 Speaker 1: What's happening? Man? Hey, Richie? 1688 01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,479 Speaker 14: Hey John? Are you and tik I want to wish 1689 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,280 Speaker 14: you a happy Merry Christmas. I wish John on Thursday 1690 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:20,160 Speaker 14: on Saturday morning. 1691 01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:20,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. 1692 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,880 Speaker 14: Mary. Hey, you know what I'll tell you. I didn't 1693 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,120 Speaker 14: get the game today. I'm from PA. I was a 1694 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,320 Speaker 14: little upset, not really upset. 1695 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,320 Speaker 1: You, miss m No. 1696 01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,280 Speaker 14: I didn't. But I looked at the phone, guys, and 1697 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,840 Speaker 14: I saw the numbers to dot and I said, my 1698 01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,240 Speaker 14: phone's back. It's got to be wrong thirty five In 1699 01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,160 Speaker 14: this day and a we could say whatever we want 1700 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,280 Speaker 14: at this point, John, We've discussed it more than once. 1701 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,920 Speaker 14: What are we looking for? Is Joe saying going to 1702 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,240 Speaker 14: show some life at the end of the year. Is 1703 01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,200 Speaker 14: Jackson Dot going to be our guy? Jackson Daughtist is regressed, 1704 01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,040 Speaker 14: and again I'm going to stick with Dot, but he 1705 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,559 Speaker 14: has shown really nothing. At this point, our defense has 1706 01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,320 Speaker 14: stepped to a certain degree. This is not the eighty 1707 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,080 Speaker 14: five Bears that we have to go into a four 1708 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:09,479 Speaker 14: corner offense because we can't throw the ball downfield. This 1709 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,280 Speaker 14: was an absolute You touched on the teak. This is 1710 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,360 Speaker 14: a disgrace. This is a disgrace to the giant fans 1711 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,439 Speaker 14: that does these people got to sit and watch this 1712 01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:22,240 Speaker 14: debacle thirty five yards. My goodness, in this day and age, 1713 01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,800 Speaker 14: if this is nineteen seventy when I was watching, I 1714 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,519 Speaker 14: can accept it. This has been an absolute disaster. You 1715 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,800 Speaker 14: touched on the teak. I know you're frustrated. I can 1716 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,160 Speaker 14: tell in your voice. I listened to you for years 1717 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,040 Speaker 14: and at this point in time to see where this 1718 01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,960 Speaker 14: team is going and to say we're gonna be okay. 1719 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,400 Speaker 14: We got a plan like the Mets do, and nothing's 1720 01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:45,639 Speaker 14: happening at this point, no coach, no direction. Not to say, 1721 01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,680 Speaker 14: there is so many negatives. And I know John sometimes 1722 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,920 Speaker 14: I'm a little negative on the show and said, but 1723 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,880 Speaker 14: it's very difficult to look at this debacle. 1724 01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,599 Speaker 2: And say get it, I get it. 1725 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,799 Speaker 14: Make any look. 1726 01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,400 Speaker 3: Richie, you're right, especially when you look at thanks for 1727 01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,559 Speaker 3: the call, when you get the sense that sometimes people say, 1728 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,479 Speaker 3: well it'll it'll turn it around, but it's not going 1729 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,519 Speaker 3: to turn around just because you want it to. 1730 01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:13,880 Speaker 4: You have to make it turn around. 1731 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,960 Speaker 3: You have to have a coherent, cohesive and correct plan 1732 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,160 Speaker 3: to get this team back where we want it to be. 1733 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,280 Speaker 3: And we've had this conversation many times. And I even 1734 01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 3: said this with David Tyree when he was on in 1735 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,280 Speaker 3: our pregame because he was he was with me in 1736 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,400 Speaker 3: most of my career. Is that even when we had 1737 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,719 Speaker 3: tough seasons, we'd win games Like there weren't seasons where 1738 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,479 Speaker 3: we won two or three games. 1739 01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,519 Speaker 1: It just didn't happen. These are the teams that you 1740 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:41,160 Speaker 1: laughed at. 1741 01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,320 Speaker 3: These are the teams that you said, like the Arizona Cardinals, Dude, 1742 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:45,840 Speaker 3: these guys don't even belong in the league. They could 1743 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,479 Speaker 3: lose to a college team, right. I hate to start 1744 01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,320 Speaker 3: thinking about that, but that's how people are looking at 1745 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:56,960 Speaker 3: the New York Giants, how incomplete and how directionless they 1746 01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:57,760 Speaker 3: feel they had the. 1747 01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:58,479 Speaker 1: Top overall picking. 1748 01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,000 Speaker 3: I know, but when you it's not a good thing. 1749 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,360 Speaker 3: I know, it's something that it's things that people pine for. Oh, 1750 01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,719 Speaker 3: you got the number one overall pick. Okay, great, doesn't matter. 1751 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,639 Speaker 1: Who it means you're really bad. And it doesn't matter 1752 01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:08,280 Speaker 1: who you pick. 1753 01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,519 Speaker 3: Who you pick, and it doesn't matter unless it's a 1754 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,320 Speaker 3: quarterback and he potentially is a franchise guy who we 1755 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,479 Speaker 3: got ours at twenty five. 1756 01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,280 Speaker 4: So it doesn't matter who you pick. 1757 01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,960 Speaker 3: It's what you put around them, and it's how you 1758 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,799 Speaker 3: craft the infrastructure of the team and the leadership structure 1759 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,680 Speaker 3: of the team. And I think most importantly, who are 1760 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,120 Speaker 3: your ballers? Who are the guys that you can count on? 1761 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,559 Speaker 3: We got one for sure, that's Brian Burns. Absolutely you 1762 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,559 Speaker 3: can count on Brian Burns. But who else can you 1763 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,160 Speaker 3: say that about on a consistent basis With his New 1764 01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,160 Speaker 3: York Giants team, Bob Papa hit on it when he 1765 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,520 Speaker 3: was talking about Eli's. 1766 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,559 Speaker 1: Rookie year and Eli's rookie year. 1767 01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,680 Speaker 3: I was a vet. Amani Toomer was a VET. I 1768 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,040 Speaker 3: kill you was a vet. Jeremy Shocky wasn an a vet. 1769 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,560 Speaker 3: But damn he was a baller from jump. And you 1770 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,320 Speaker 3: knew it when he tried to fight Brandon Short in 1771 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:52,800 Speaker 3: the locker room, when he tried to get him to 1772 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,920 Speaker 3: sing his alma mater like you knew that he has. 1773 01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,280 Speaker 3: He was a dog, right. And I hear this often 1774 01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,679 Speaker 3: about these draft picks. Oh yeah, you have to the dog. 1775 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,760 Speaker 3: Shut the hell up, man, do it on Sundays consistently, 1776 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:05,920 Speaker 3: and then I'll call you a dog. Until that happens, 1777 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,120 Speaker 3: You're a puppy, right, And I think right now we 1778 01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,679 Speaker 3: have too many puppies on this team who aren't taking 1779 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,679 Speaker 3: it seriously enough, even in a lost season, And that's 1780 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:14,599 Speaker 3: what pisses me off. 1781 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,360 Speaker 4: This is game that you are not guaranteed to play. 1782 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:18,960 Speaker 4: You don't. 1783 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,400 Speaker 3: You don't get here just because God gave you the 1784 01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,200 Speaker 3: talent or you played a some whatever college and you 1785 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,280 Speaker 3: were the best player on the field. It is a 1786 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,080 Speaker 3: It takes pride to be great in this league, and 1787 01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,719 Speaker 3: this team doesn't have enough guys like that. And until 1788 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,000 Speaker 3: they do, they're not gonna win. We're gonna see the 1789 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,240 Speaker 3: same thing over and over and over and over again. 1790 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,320 Speaker 3: And that starts with leadership. So whoever this next coach is, 1791 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,599 Speaker 3: he's got to come in with the right freaking message 1792 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,879 Speaker 3: from day one, and that's accountability, whether or not you're 1793 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,639 Speaker 3: you think you're great or not. I think Dave's had 1794 01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,280 Speaker 3: that year one, he absolutely had it, and he said 1795 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,200 Speaker 3: it you are. You have to earn your spot on 1796 01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,520 Speaker 3: this team. You are not playing unless you earn it. 1797 01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,120 Speaker 3: It disappeared by year three. 1798 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,240 Speaker 20: Tiki, I have no problem with anything you just said, 1799 01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,040 Speaker 20: but I'm gonna push back on the caller a little 1800 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,880 Speaker 20: bit because he was pointing to the stats and the 1801 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,559 Speaker 20: lower casting numbers. Well, that's why something he said rankled me. 1802 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,559 Speaker 20: I have no problem with the generic stuff that you're 1803 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:18,480 Speaker 20: talking about. 1804 01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,120 Speaker 18: Here's where my problem is. 1805 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,479 Speaker 20: You come into this game with a rookie quarterback who's 1806 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,439 Speaker 20: never seen this kind of defense before. 1807 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,519 Speaker 3: You know, the kind of game vice. Joseph does this 1808 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,160 Speaker 3: a little bit to some degree, but not this, not 1809 01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:32,000 Speaker 3: with the frequency. 1810 01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,679 Speaker 20: So your game plan to try to win the game, 1811 01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,760 Speaker 20: and Parcels and Conflin did this too. You know you're 1812 01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,400 Speaker 20: gonna try to win an ugly game that's gonna be 1813 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,880 Speaker 20: a tugger war, that's gonna be dragged through the mud. 1814 01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,360 Speaker 20: You're gonna run the ball two thirds of the time, 1815 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,759 Speaker 20: you're probably not going even if it works out well, 1816 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,920 Speaker 20: throw the ball from more than one hundred yards a 1817 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:51,519 Speaker 20: game anyway. 1818 01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:53,920 Speaker 18: So the game plan coming. 1819 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:55,840 Speaker 20: In, and it was a smart game plan coming in, 1820 01:16:56,240 --> 01:17:00,639 Speaker 20: was to try to win a low scoring, slow down game. Yes, 1821 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,160 Speaker 20: that was not going to put your rookie quarterback in 1822 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:03,880 Speaker 20: harm's way. 1823 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,960 Speaker 2: My only that was the game point when that said, 1824 01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,120 Speaker 2: the past game still wasn't My. 1825 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,000 Speaker 4: Only one wasn't good? 1826 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,320 Speaker 3: Was My only issue is that all of that may 1827 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,880 Speaker 3: have been true, it is invalidated when you go forward 1828 01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,799 Speaker 3: on fourth and five from the ten yard line. It 1829 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,800 Speaker 3: it invalidates it because you're you're talking out of both 1830 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,720 Speaker 3: sides of your mouth. You're saying, this is going to 1831 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,920 Speaker 3: be a low scoring game. Points are going to be 1832 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,960 Speaker 3: at a premium. But on our first fourth down inside 1833 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,000 Speaker 3: the tight red area, we don't take the points. 1834 01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,000 Speaker 18: What did Kafka say when he was asked about. 1835 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,000 Speaker 4: That, I don't remember. 1836 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:32,840 Speaker 3: I wanted to stay aggressive, Like it's the same thing 1837 01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,640 Speaker 3: he says about every fourth down that he goes for 1838 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,720 Speaker 3: I wanted to stay aggressive. Well, shut up, dude. You 1839 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,160 Speaker 3: either had a plan to play this thing tight and 1840 01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,559 Speaker 3: win it the hard way, or you wanted to be 1841 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,160 Speaker 3: aggressive and try to blow the thing open. 1842 01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,639 Speaker 4: Like you can't have it both ways. And I think 1843 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,040 Speaker 4: I think the problem. 1844 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,160 Speaker 3: With with with with Mike, with coach Kafka right now 1845 01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,960 Speaker 3: is that he's trying to be something that he knows 1846 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,120 Speaker 3: his team can't be. And so as a result, you 1847 01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,760 Speaker 3: get in these moments and he and it's nobody's ready 1848 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,000 Speaker 3: for it, and so it just I don't know it 1849 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:03,799 Speaker 3: just when I listen to it. 1850 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:04,719 Speaker 1: It just it doesn't. 1851 01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,000 Speaker 3: It doesn't shape, it doesn't, it doesn't, I don't, it 1852 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,599 Speaker 3: doesn't add up to me, and so I can't. I mean, 1853 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,920 Speaker 3: I blame the players, because look, you gotta matter. I 1854 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,000 Speaker 3: don't think the message is clear enough. I don't think 1855 01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:22,960 Speaker 3: that there is there is clear and definitive determination of 1856 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,840 Speaker 3: what needs to happen on each in every play, on 1857 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,240 Speaker 3: each and every quarter and each and every game from 1858 01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,360 Speaker 3: this staff right now. And so as a result, the 1859 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,639 Speaker 3: guys are out there looking lost half the time. 1860 01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,200 Speaker 18: Okay, valid points. 1861 01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,360 Speaker 20: I would also say to you that if I'm correct 1862 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,880 Speaker 20: in terms of the theory and philosophy going in whatever 1863 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,880 Speaker 20: inconsistencies he may have shown on individual plays. 1864 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,200 Speaker 1: During the game. 1865 01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,760 Speaker 20: Yes, it's thirteen to thirteen with eleven minutes left and 1866 01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,920 Speaker 20: they're down sixteen thirteen with the ball four minutes to 1867 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,960 Speaker 20: go at midfield with a chance to win the game. 1868 01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:01,280 Speaker 20: So clearly, clearly the ugly game plan that they went 1869 01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,519 Speaker 20: into the game with trying to win ugly put them 1870 01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,920 Speaker 20: in position to win the game. 1871 01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,520 Speaker 1: Despite despite some really bad execution. 1872 01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,160 Speaker 4: At times here. 1873 01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:17,839 Speaker 3: But we tend to evaluate games regarding wins and losses 1874 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,080 Speaker 3: in the last four minutes five minutes of the games. 1875 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:20,920 Speaker 18: This is the sixth to one. 1876 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,759 Speaker 1: Now, this is the way it goes. That's the NFL. 1877 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,240 Speaker 4: Sometimes that definitive moment. 1878 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:25,840 Speaker 1: Is in the first quarter. 1879 01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,360 Speaker 4: Happened in the first one. It think. That's that's all 1880 01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:28,760 Speaker 4: I'm saying. 1881 01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:30,960 Speaker 2: I would ask you guys a question because Richie had 1882 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,320 Speaker 2: a larger point about darts development. Right, let me get 1883 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:34,680 Speaker 2: your let me get your take on this the way 1884 01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,680 Speaker 2: I've kind of seen it. And look, last week he 1885 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,360 Speaker 2: had a bad first half, played much better in the 1886 01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:38,920 Speaker 2: second half. 1887 01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:39,439 Speaker 4: This week. 1888 01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:40,880 Speaker 2: It was a rough goal. We did not play very 1889 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,720 Speaker 2: well against the Patriots on that Monday night. Right, those 1890 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,720 Speaker 2: are the last three games. I feel like as teams 1891 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:52,040 Speaker 2: have taken away the scramble weapon from him, he hasn't 1892 01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,800 Speaker 2: quite adjusted to that yet to make some of those 1893 01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,920 Speaker 2: big third down conversions and big plays to extend drives 1894 01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:04,280 Speaker 2: without having that scramble tool as available to him as 1895 01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:04,479 Speaker 2: it was. 1896 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,080 Speaker 3: Look, he is still a rookie, and a lot of 1897 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,919 Speaker 3: rookies in this league that have turned into really good players. 1898 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,200 Speaker 3: Josh Allen is the is the prime example. I think 1899 01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:13,640 Speaker 3: even Lamar Jackson. 1900 01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,000 Speaker 1: Hell even Patrick Mahomes early in his career. 1901 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,920 Speaker 3: On scrambles and scrambling and being off schedule in order 1902 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,679 Speaker 3: to find success. And when you start to find success, 1903 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,760 Speaker 3: you get confident. It doesn't necessarily have to be that 1904 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,479 Speaker 3: you threw for three hundred and fifty yards. It's just 1905 01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,600 Speaker 3: that you had success. You became a winner in the 1906 01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,680 Speaker 3: eyes of your teammates. You found you just found a 1907 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,280 Speaker 3: way whatever whatever it may have been. Sure, I think 1908 01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,519 Speaker 3: part of the challenge that this offense is facing now 1909 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,479 Speaker 3: as the season has gone on, is it Jackson Dart 1910 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,240 Speaker 3: isn't just given the playbook. 1911 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,360 Speaker 4: Like I watch most of these teams. 1912 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,320 Speaker 3: And what I mean by this is you watch a 1913 01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,120 Speaker 3: lot of teams in the NFL, and you'll hear it 1914 01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,200 Speaker 3: when you listen to the to the to this radio 1915 01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,920 Speaker 3: and TV audio. You'll they'll get to the line of scrimmans. 1916 01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,960 Speaker 3: They've gotten the call in their head. They get up there, 1917 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,160 Speaker 3: they look at it. They unders dan what's a defense 1918 01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:02,840 Speaker 3: is trying to do to them? Even if they're jacking 1919 01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,080 Speaker 3: around with the coverages, and they'll kill a play, Hey 1920 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,719 Speaker 3: kill kill kill. That means he called one two plays 1921 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,439 Speaker 3: in the huddle. And if we get a certain look, 1922 01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,559 Speaker 3: I'm killing it. We're doing X, Y or Z. And 1923 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,320 Speaker 3: if I got to make some guys right, we identify 1924 01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,800 Speaker 3: the mike, et cetera, I'm gonna handle it. I don't 1925 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,040 Speaker 3: think Jackson Dart is handling that. I don't think he's 1926 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,559 Speaker 3: been given the opportunity to learn it the hard way. 1927 01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:22,960 Speaker 4: Agree with that, Like learning. 1928 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,439 Speaker 1: It the hard way is the only way you're gonna 1929 01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,080 Speaker 1: learn it. This is what Tom Brady always talks about. 1930 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,080 Speaker 3: You can't you can't just all right, this is what 1931 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,360 Speaker 3: you're gonna do because the mike stays on till fifteen. 1932 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:36,040 Speaker 1: Seconds and ELI have that and that's the point those 1933 01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:36,639 Speaker 1: guys don't. 1934 01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,840 Speaker 3: Eli was given the entire playbook and at week nine 1935 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,800 Speaker 3: they said, all right, kid, go figure it out. 1936 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,519 Speaker 4: Guess what he sucked for seven weeks bingo. He did. 1937 01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,479 Speaker 4: But at the end he started to get it. 1938 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,200 Speaker 3: And then we get in a two minute drive against 1939 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,160 Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys and Eli was for you get the ball, 1940 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,240 Speaker 3: forget forget me, forget that I you know, the touchdown 1941 01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,200 Speaker 3: that we scored at the end. He was perfect, right, 1942 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,639 Speaker 3: he was. And he did it by himself. He wasn't 1943 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,880 Speaker 3: like he was making all those making all the calls 1944 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,400 Speaker 3: he was. It was by himself. He was empowered and 1945 01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,360 Speaker 3: he ran with the empowerment. Jackson Dart is not getting 1946 01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:06,920 Speaker 3: that right now. 1947 01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:07,760 Speaker 18: Well he's not there yet. 1948 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,960 Speaker 3: He's getting handheld to the to the line of scrimmage, 1949 01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,800 Speaker 3: and when he gets up there, it's and things get 1950 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,400 Speaker 3: cluster f't as you know what I'm talking about, especially 1951 01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:17,759 Speaker 3: with the Brian Floores defense. 1952 01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:18,840 Speaker 4: He doesn't know what to do. 1953 01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,760 Speaker 1: And so I don't think he was fomixed, but I 1954 01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:22,799 Speaker 1: do think he was lost. 1955 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,720 Speaker 3: And a lot of that is because he's not been 1956 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:29,680 Speaker 3: empowered to be that guy yet now this offseason and 1957 01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,759 Speaker 3: this is the challenge with him, this is the challenge 1958 01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,800 Speaker 3: with a young quarterback getting a coach or a coach 1959 01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,479 Speaker 3: getting fired with a young quarterback is that he's not 1960 01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,040 Speaker 3: gonna know who his new head coach is, his new 1961 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,960 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, any any of this stuff with the new 1962 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,479 Speaker 3: scheme's gonna look like, what the playbook's gonna look like, 1963 01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:48,559 Speaker 3: what he's gonna be asked to do, all of that stuff, 1964 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,040 Speaker 3: all the massinations that go into becoming a good quarterback. 1965 01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,120 Speaker 3: He's not gonna know that until March, and right, I 1966 01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,160 Speaker 3: think it might even be April, and it might be whatever. 1967 01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,799 Speaker 3: He's not gonna know it for half of the off season. 1968 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,840 Speaker 3: And this is why when you say you can ruin 1969 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,440 Speaker 3: a young court a quarterback when you fire. 1970 01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,639 Speaker 1: The head coach, this is why. Because all of. 1971 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,120 Speaker 3: That now has to get jammed in this little tight window, 1972 01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,840 Speaker 3: and because of the CBA that that the that the 1973 01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,320 Speaker 3: players have renegotiated, they can't be around right even if 1974 01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,120 Speaker 3: they want to be they want to be, they can't 1975 01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,360 Speaker 3: be around now. You just weighs around it. You can 1976 01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:20,240 Speaker 3: for gayzy it and you can. 1977 01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,400 Speaker 18: They're not even allowed to take the play even though 1978 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:23,880 Speaker 18: they had one balls. 1979 01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,720 Speaker 3: All this other stuff but I just worry about this 1980 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,640 Speaker 3: because all of that growth that should have happened in 1981 01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,960 Speaker 3: this rookie season, I don't think is happening for Jackson 1982 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,839 Speaker 3: dark and I can see it because every single snap 1983 01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,200 Speaker 3: he's up against the play clock. And it's because the 1984 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,560 Speaker 3: coaching is in his head for too long, you know 1985 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,439 Speaker 3: what I mean. And so to me, there's there's there's 1986 01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,200 Speaker 3: certain ways to do this right to develop young quarterbacks. 1987 01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,679 Speaker 3: What the Giants are doing is not right to develop 1988 01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:47,479 Speaker 3: a young quarterback. 1989 01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,479 Speaker 2: Let's go to Harvey and Dix Sills. He's up next. 1990 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,320 Speaker 2: What's up, Harbor? The very Christmas buddy, Harvey? 1991 01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:51,680 Speaker 1: What's up? 1992 01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,080 Speaker 17: Happy holidays? 1993 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:54,519 Speaker 1: Happy holidays Harvey? 1994 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:59,680 Speaker 17: Anyway? Uh, Ticky, you remember this call weeks ago. I 1995 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:04,000 Speaker 17: said that I resent these NFL players receivers who drop 1996 01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,360 Speaker 17: catchable passes, and my coach would have given me ten laps. 1997 01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,120 Speaker 17: And you said even more than that, I can't believe 1998 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,599 Speaker 17: that they still catch the ball with their body, whether 1999 01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,400 Speaker 17: it's Steve Johnson, whether it's Slayton. Even Neighbors said last 2000 01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,120 Speaker 17: year that I'm starting to learn at a catch a 2001 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,080 Speaker 17: ball with a hand. You cannot have a good offense 2002 01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:26,280 Speaker 17: when your receivers can't catch balls. That's number one. Number two, 2003 01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,800 Speaker 17: I'm a little disappointed. Jackson's Dart, in my opinion, is 2004 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,120 Speaker 17: the best of the rookie quarterbacks. Everybody said that trade 2005 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,360 Speaker 17: up and draft all your capital for camp Ward. I'll 2006 01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,760 Speaker 17: tell you what Jackson Ward is. Even in the time 2007 01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,320 Speaker 17: he's played his outplayed camp Ward, you know he needs 2008 01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,240 Speaker 17: to learn. He's a rookie forgotten. 2009 01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:47,519 Speaker 1: Right right now. 2010 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,040 Speaker 4: You're right about that, Harvey. 2011 01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,559 Speaker 17: The thing I want to finish with is that John 2012 01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,240 Speaker 17: Do you remember last year I had a call with 2013 01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,080 Speaker 17: you and Jonathan and it was very emotional because I 2014 01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:01,160 Speaker 17: don't believe the professional athletes will tank a play or 2015 01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:06,320 Speaker 17: a game. Bottom line is, yeah, just to tank. Jackson 2016 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,400 Speaker 17: od is the best one, uh the best quarterback out 2017 01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,639 Speaker 17: of this draft in my opinion, and that's one reason 2018 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,240 Speaker 17: not the tank. They can not only got Abdol Carter, 2019 01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:16,879 Speaker 17: they got they got Jackson Dart, which is a quarterback. 2020 01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,240 Speaker 17: Everybody in the station knows that. That's how I wanted. 2021 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,240 Speaker 17: Tanking is not a good policy in the NFL, play 2022 01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,120 Speaker 17: their careers, the coaching careers. I do not believe in tanking. 2023 01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,680 Speaker 3: Well, Harvey, the perfect example is the team that is 2024 01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:31,960 Speaker 3: maybe going to get the number one seed in the 2025 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,320 Speaker 3: AFC the Denver Broncos. And the last of the good 2026 01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,000 Speaker 3: quarterbacks taken two years ago was Bo Nicks. 2027 01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,160 Speaker 1: Now bow Nicks. I mean, he might not be a 2028 01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,360 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, but Bo Nicks is gaming for the 2029 01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:44,200 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos and. 2030 01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:45,720 Speaker 3: He's gotten much better as the year's gone. Of course, 2031 01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,519 Speaker 3: he's gotten much better as the year's ago going. But 2032 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,200 Speaker 3: but the Broncos didn't tank to get bo Nicks. You know, 2033 01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,040 Speaker 3: the Barcos took the guy, and they traded up to 2034 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,920 Speaker 3: get him that they thought could could they could win with. 2035 01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,439 Speaker 4: Giving Sean Payton's acumen to develop it. 2036 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,000 Speaker 2: Works with the way payn wanted to use them and 2037 01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,200 Speaker 2: what they've put around, right, that's exactly right. 2038 01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,639 Speaker 20: You know, it's easy to forget because Dard had some 2039 01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,400 Speaker 20: really great moments early when he was in the lineup, 2040 01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,919 Speaker 20: that he is still a rookie and all of this stuff, 2041 01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,280 Speaker 20: this learning process, this maturing process. 2042 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,240 Speaker 18: That all rookie quarterbacks have to go through. 2043 01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,360 Speaker 20: It's easy to forget he still has to go through 2044 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,200 Speaker 20: all this stuff. And we shouldn't get fooled by some 2045 01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:24,519 Speaker 20: of the great stuff he did early. 2046 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,960 Speaker 18: It was nice, but he still has to go through 2047 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:27,960 Speaker 18: the pumps and the bruises. 2048 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and okay, we'll see what it looks like as 2049 01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,519 Speaker 2: we move forward here, Bud. He's certainly shown on the 2050 01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,040 Speaker 2: flashes where you know there's something there, yeah, that you can. 2051 01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,599 Speaker 1: Develop and you can turn them into a good player. 2052 01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,840 Speaker 2: So now you just gotta do the tough part, which 2053 01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,080 Speaker 2: is the development and turning it into a good player, 2054 01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:42,800 Speaker 2: because there's a lot of very talented players out there 2055 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,479 Speaker 2: that don't make himius, are not developed properly. So that'll 2056 01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,200 Speaker 2: be now the goal moving forward and the New York 2057 01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,280 Speaker 2: Giants heading in to twenty twenty six. 2058 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,320 Speaker 1: But there's no two more games to go this year, folks. 2059 01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,000 Speaker 2: Next week the Giants take on the Las Vegas Raiders 2060 01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,400 Speaker 2: in Sin City. It'll be a two o five pregame 2061 01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,080 Speaker 2: right here on the Fan of four h five. Kick 2062 01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,439 Speaker 2: Ticky and I will have that coverage for you right 2063 01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,840 Speaker 2: here on the fan, of course, stay tuned this weekd 2064 01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:04,760 Speaker 2: all our coverage. 2065 01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,599 Speaker 1: On the Giants app, Giants dot Com, Giants YouTube channel. 2066 01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,519 Speaker 2: Think We'll Kick Off Live will be Monday, Tuesday Friday 2067 01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:12,040 Speaker 2: at twelve thirty Johns Total Podcast. We have a draft 2068 01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,320 Speaker 2: season podcast pop his perspective. Check it all out on 2069 01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:18,880 Speaker 2: the Giants official podcast network feed. Thank everybody for joining us. 2070 01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:22,360 Speaker 2: Today the Giants again fall to the Minnesota Vikings sixteen 2071 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:27,000 Speaker 2: to thirteen. Everybody, hope you have a fantastic holiday week. 2072 01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,559 Speaker 2: For those of you currently celebrating Hanukah, hope you're having 2073 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,679 Speaker 2: a great holiday. Christmas coming your way Christmas Eve on Wenday, 2074 01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,200 Speaker 2: then of course Christmas Day on Thursday. I hope everyone 2075 01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:39,439 Speaker 2: has a very joyous holiday. Enjoy it with your family, 2076 01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,280 Speaker 2: and of course in the Giants come back your way 2077 01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,400 Speaker 2: next Sunday. Right here on the fan again that four 2078 01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:48,200 Speaker 2: or five King against the Las Vegas Raiders. Four Paul 2079 01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,240 Speaker 2: the teen oh fourteen g barb Or for Bob Pop 2080 01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,599 Speaker 2: before Crawlbanks for Howard Cross four. Our entire crew who 2081 01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,479 Speaker 2: did Yelman's work today? Great job everyone, As always, I 2082 01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,120 Speaker 2: am John Schmelch. We're gonna bid you a dude from 2083 01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,639 Speaker 2: MetLife staying again losing their nineth gra eight day fall 2084 01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,000 Speaker 2: through the Vikings sixteen to thirteen. Coming up next Nets 2085 01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,960 Speaker 2: Basketball right here on the fan, our guy Bulla, Bob Usler, 2086 01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,280 Speaker 2: Tim Capture with the call. 2087 01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,719 Speaker 1: Nets and Raptors come in your way next,