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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 2: I'm quest Love your host. I got to remind myself
Speaker 2: that we're now also not just a radio podcast, that
Speaker 2: we are a visual podcast on our YouTube channel. I
Speaker 2: should pluck it more. Yeah. So I'm in my red room, februm.
Speaker 2: We're here with the team Supreme right now. Six Steve,
Speaker 2: what's up man? How are you doing, amir? How's how's
Speaker 2: it feeling to be back at work? It feels really good.
Speaker 3: I missed my fallin family and very excited.
Speaker 2: About the five star review that we got in downbeatfore
Speaker 2: the Plumb bodrights Man. And we did it. We did
Speaker 2: be magazine for the Plumb album. Yes, absolutely, I'm walking
Speaker 2: on air. Nice Laya. How goes it?
Speaker 4: It is going well, friend, I am excited about this conversations.
Speaker 2: Are you you recovered from our la assault?
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm just recovering from your depart suriously. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took a while.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'm glad I wasn't alone with that.
Speaker 2: I'm paid Bill. What's up man, how's life on the street.
Speaker 2: Life on the street is good? I got back from our
Speaker 2: trip to l A. I was home for a day
Speaker 2: and I went to Spain and Portugal for a week.
Speaker 2: So I'm a little like for you, what's what's what's
Speaker 2: going on? I haven't been on vacation in like a year.
Speaker 2: For those who have children, you take vocations. I do,
Speaker 2: but once a year. And so I went to Spain
Speaker 2: Portugal and I sat on a chair and I drank
Speaker 2: and ate and it.
Speaker 5: Was fantastic, and I recommend Portugal.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. And now back I got back yesterday taking
Speaker 2: a break. Font Takeolo is recovering from his wait is
Speaker 2: it Charlotte or where do they do?
Speaker 6: Baby?
Speaker 4: Door?
Speaker 2: Baby?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay, y'all block party, I know virtually.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get to it. This is pretty much an
Speaker 2: episode I've been waiting for a long time to do.
Speaker 2: We always said we shad this guest on our show,
Speaker 2: but I didn't think it could ever happen. As half
Speaker 2: of a Mammoth Mammoth duo, our guest Today sort of
Speaker 2: came crashing into our lives in late nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 2: with an unescapable single entitled girl you Know It's True.
Speaker 2: Soon after that, four other Mammoth singles, all went to
Speaker 2: the top of the charts, millions of hit singles, millions
Speaker 2: of hit albums later, you know, him and his partner
Speaker 2: basically ruled nineteen eighty nine with an iron fist, pretty
Speaker 2: much rode their success all the way to the bank. Subsequently,
Speaker 2: they were hit with probably one of the craziest music
Speaker 2: scandals that rocked an entire industry, which is kind of
Speaker 2: ironic considering in hindsight some thirty five years later they
Speaker 2: were actually pioneers and pretty much how the music industry
Speaker 2: is today. Like you know, I know that oftentimes, especially
Speaker 2: in the last ten years, there's been you hear this
Speaker 2: word called fake outrage. We heard a lot of politics,
Speaker 2: but you know, haven't been alive during that period. The
Speaker 2: sort of shocking scandal of what this gentleman has went through.
Speaker 2: It's pretty much the standard norm now, matter of fact,
Speaker 2: it's it's it is the norm. So you know, so
Speaker 2: many people no even with I mean, you know, the
Speaker 2: number one number one activities TikTok like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like, so we basically gravitate and participate in
Speaker 2: the practice that some thirty five years ago we were
Speaker 2: like aghast and sort of shocked to do and now
Speaker 2: you know it's the standard, and so it's kind of
Speaker 2: weird how you can be in a scandal one second
Speaker 2: and sort of a martyr minute. But you know, I
Speaker 2: will basically say that our guests literally face the music
Speaker 2: and really work to ship the narrative, especially after losing
Speaker 2: his partner Rob Palaitis and now thirty five years later,
Speaker 2: after a girl. You know it's true, he's getting to
Speaker 2: tell his story, tell his truth and really getting the
Speaker 2: last word in with a very very powerful documentary simply
Speaker 2: titled Milli Vanilli. It'll be it on a paramount plus
Speaker 2: a mind blown you know, thank god that we get
Speaker 2: to say welcome to the Quest of Supreme, Sir fab Marvin,
Speaker 2: thank you very joining us today. Man, how you doing?
Speaker 3: Pleasure? Man, it's a pleasure to be here. And we
Speaker 3: won't get down. We're going to talk. We're gonna chump
Speaker 3: it up and get into it. And I'm so pleased
Speaker 3: that I know when I've seen your koreer, I've seen
Speaker 3: you grow, I've seen you involve, and for you to
Speaker 3: first introduction was amazing. You know, ftatless, you're right and
Speaker 3: you're right about what happened thirty five years ago and
Speaker 3: bringing it back fast forward here and it is the norm,
Speaker 3: and it is normal, and nobody is actually flinching to
Speaker 3: anything because now everybody's in kuts. Everybody's working together and
Speaker 3: it's all about I get it's a music industry. It's
Speaker 3: about that paper, but it's become and turned into like, wow,
Speaker 3: the veil, the magical veil is like shifted. You don't
Speaker 3: know until it's time to really do it right. And
Speaker 3: that's where it comes down to. If you can do it,
Speaker 3: do it. If you can't and don't try to, they
Speaker 3: won't find you out. Well.
Speaker 2: You know, now we're in a place where as I
Speaker 2: spoke to Steve earlier about being back to work, I
Speaker 2: mean right now we're about to go a step past that.
Speaker 2: Not even three months ago, someone had admitted or enlisted
Speaker 2: for consideration of a Grammy. A weekend in Drake song
Speaker 2: that doesn't exist, So you know, the first AI song
Speaker 2: is about to get now. And what's really crazy is
Speaker 2: can I say it? I think I like that AI
Speaker 2: song better than any song on the current Drake record
Speaker 2: right now. But that's also because you know, there's a
Speaker 2: certain texture that I like the music that that that
Speaker 2: particular AI song with Drake and Weekend is that isn't
Speaker 2: on the Drake record. But I have so many questions
Speaker 2: to ask. Number one, So you grew up where you
Speaker 2: in France?
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I grew up in Paris, in the center
Speaker 3: of Paris in the twentieth part. That's where I grew up,
Speaker 3: and that was my playground, you know, just beginning and
Speaker 3: come from a creole household. Okay, So we grew up
Speaker 3: with all kinds of music, you know, so summer and
Speaker 3: gay and then my dad was playing what He's reading
Speaker 3: and James Brown, my mom was playing Maria Kallis in
Speaker 3: some classical music. It was always kind of a popoi
Speaker 3: at home musically.
Speaker 2: I'm curious. Well, the thing that I was really curious
Speaker 2: about was I always wanted to know, especially this being
Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary of hip hop culture, I want to know, you,
Speaker 2: being sort of the first generation of European people to
Speaker 2: receive hip hop from the States as it's coming in
Speaker 2: the eighties, how did that get translated to you or
Speaker 2: how did that come over to France and to Germany
Speaker 2: to all those parts of Europe.
Speaker 3: Well, it came as in different forms. You know, we
Speaker 3: all know, you know that hip hop is graffiti. You know,
Speaker 3: it's the art of poetry, and it's street dancing and
Speaker 3: it's the rap and all started to appear in various
Speaker 3: parts of Paris. So you had the graffiti. You started
Speaker 3: to appear. Of course, because we had the movies. You know,
Speaker 3: we had Crush Grooving. That movie got over there, and
Speaker 3: we were trying and emulate everything, and like, okay, so
Speaker 3: you got graffiti, you have the dancing, you have pop clock,
Speaker 3: you got the floor as well, and then you got
Speaker 3: you got the DJ that's doing the blog party and
Speaker 3: we're all looking at it. You're like wow. And some
Speaker 3: people were migrating tours what they felt like Okay, that's
Speaker 3: me or that's me, and some people, you know, went
Speaker 3: everywhere and experimented. And if you go if you look
Speaker 3: at the effect of hip hop throughout the world, you
Speaker 3: will see that there's a dance scene of graffiti. There's
Speaker 3: still like the forefathers of you know, like crazy legs.
Speaker 3: You have the Italian crazy legs, you have the German
Speaker 3: crazy legs. So hip hop just spread out to us
Speaker 3: like crazy. And for me being a black kid, you know,
Speaker 3: and the majority of hip hop at the time, it
Speaker 3: was it looked brown and dark and it looked like me.
Speaker 3: So it was like, oh, okay, so that's that's you know,
Speaker 3: I was connecting with it. In America. I'd be in
Speaker 3: the land of opportunity and like Hollywood and you know, entertainment,
Speaker 3: so we would really focus on what was going on
Speaker 3: and that was for the youth that was my youth.
Speaker 2: Was it was it sort of like I mean, was
Speaker 2: it mainstream as in like these movies are in the
Speaker 2: theater or was it contraband because you know, the short
Speaker 2: time that I lived, the short time that I lived
Speaker 2: in Europe during like the roots formative years, like our
Speaker 2: first three years, we were in Europe a lot, and
Speaker 2: you know the way that they would collect you know,
Speaker 2: there was always like a friend or a cousin in
Speaker 2: the United States that would send tapes over, you know,
Speaker 2: of radio shows and whatnot, and movies were hard to
Speaker 2: come by, like you need to be connected to someone
Speaker 2: that could send you these things or whatever. So how
Speaker 2: would you guys get the music and the culture if
Speaker 2: it's not like done firsthand? Like I know that at
Speaker 2: least the way the stories explained in the movie that
Speaker 2: both you and Rob were, you know, kind of sort
Speaker 2: of lone wolves and basically like lone black people singular
Speaker 2: black people and otherwise like non black environment. So how
Speaker 2: are you guys able to receive this information?
Speaker 3: Well, as a kid in France was very difficult to
Speaker 3: get it. But when I moved to Germany, I was
Speaker 3: taken to I lived in different places, but I went
Speaker 3: to those clubs, and those clubs were full of American
Speaker 3: gis because the American bases were based in Germany. So
Speaker 3: I end going to like those clubs where you know,
Speaker 3: they were doing the you know, the press man they had,
Speaker 3: they d had the quiet gloves and they would do
Speaker 3: people would get on the floor and like you know,
Speaker 3: it was like for us, it was like for rob
Speaker 3: and I was like whoa, it was like being in
Speaker 3: America because there's nothing but America in the club. So
Speaker 3: from there, we we got a lot there in Germany,
Speaker 3: but in France you really had to look forward. You
Speaker 3: had to go to record store. I didn't have the money,
Speaker 3: so maybe we put our money together. We get the records,
Speaker 3: we get the sets, but to get the videos that
Speaker 3: was another mission because at that time, there was no
Speaker 3: MTV during that time, early on it was it was
Speaker 3: not MTV wasn't there yet.
Speaker 4: How did you know what the look was that went
Speaker 4: with the music.
Speaker 3: There was always some reports about America. You have to
Speaker 3: get to look for it. There was some music report
Speaker 3: and remember seeing the Furious five, you know, with the
Speaker 3: hats and the outfit, and I was like, whoa, that
Speaker 3: looked hard, but you know, we were tracking acted by
Speaker 3: it because they look like us. To me, they look
Speaker 3: like And then Jackson five came into the fold, you know,
Speaker 3: and that was a different form, you know, and then
Speaker 3: earth Fire, and then of course the Godfather James Brown,
Speaker 3: and I had a tape I had recorded on television
Speaker 3: of James Brown explaining how we made music and how
Speaker 3: those dances, how we made those dances and they were
Speaker 3: connected to certain grooves, and how we worked with the
Speaker 3: band and that was really really interesting, but it was
Speaker 3: difficult to understand. So I always had to get a dictionary.
Speaker 3: It would take me a long time to figure it
Speaker 3: all out, but I would figure it out.
Speaker 2: What was the scene like for Americans to come over
Speaker 2: and tour? Like how often would you see shows or
Speaker 2: artists of that caliber?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I used to when we were in
Speaker 3: p Ice, you know, in Munich, Germany, a lot of
Speaker 3: bands came through, so I saw Charlie Wilson, the Gap Band,
Speaker 3: for example. And then it's funny because we years later,
Speaker 3: we ended up meeting each other a few times. So
Speaker 3: that was someone that I was exposed to the music
Speaker 3: and it was very, very very powerful. Whitney Houston Prince
Speaker 3: Prince came two or three times and we were invited
Speaker 3: to go and see the show. You know, it was
Speaker 3: only got sent Rom and that was amazing because we
Speaker 3: saw him in the big stadium. And then he used
Speaker 3: to do those small shows and I got a chance
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 2: A few of those after shows, okay after.
Speaker 3: Shows, and you were close in the front, and that
Speaker 3: was just that was some crazy stuff to be able
Speaker 3: to watch it from very close like that.
Speaker 2: Could you tell our audience how you first connected and
Speaker 2: met your partner Rob.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The first time we met when when I got
Speaker 3: to Munich, I didn't know nobody and I was there
Speaker 3: with a couple of friends. But the first time, I uh,
Speaker 3: it was a few times. But the first time where
Speaker 3: I noticed that it was very competitive between each other
Speaker 3: was at a university show and it was breakdancing on stage.
Speaker 3: I had met him short, I had met him shortly
Speaker 3: before that, and he came across kind of arrogance and
Speaker 3: I knew why because we were on this turf and
Speaker 3: it was like, who was a black those black guys
Speaker 3: because there were there were no black guys in Munich
Speaker 3: at the time. So it was like, Okay, this dude
Speaker 3: is coming too my turf. And that night I heard
Speaker 3: about the party where he was going to be performing,
Speaker 3: and we were invited by this dance school that I
Speaker 3: was that I ended up working for eventually, and he
Speaker 3: did his thing on the floor and rocked it. And
Speaker 3: then at the end of this this this thing, this
Speaker 3: discography on the floor, he stood up and just pointed
Speaker 3: straight at me and I was like, oh, man, I
Speaker 3: might do straight, Like what do you want to fight something?
Speaker 3: Some the way?
Speaker 4: It was, yeah, can I ask you? Because something is
Speaker 4: lost in the fact that you are a man from
Speaker 4: Paris and you moved to Munich. How did you didn't
Speaker 4: maneuver and why would you decide to go somewhere where
Speaker 4: you know the language and don't know it at all?
Speaker 3: Well what happened was I studied German for one year
Speaker 3: in school, but I love language. It's always been very
Speaker 3: good with God. So I had that. And then when
Speaker 3: I went to Germany's because some of my friends were
Speaker 3: dancing and were teaching in Germany. So they were like, hey,
Speaker 3: you want you should come down. You know you're going
Speaker 3: to make some money. I was like, really cool, because
Speaker 3: before you had the Dutch mark, you had the guilders,
Speaker 3: you had the French francs, but the Dutch mark was
Speaker 3: always it was always, it was always strongled. So when
Speaker 3: they told me, yo, you want to go over there,
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I experienced something else. So I
Speaker 3: went over there and I studied, I started teaching, and
Speaker 3: then I was like, you know what, I want to
Speaker 3: travel Paris Is. Paris been a little place where I
Speaker 3: was really truly happy and there was with a group
Speaker 3: of people that I was having fun with. And when
Speaker 3: I when when I turned eighteen, I was like I'm out.
Speaker 3: And then because I was, I was of age, you know,
Speaker 3: I was, I was no longer in mind and I
Speaker 3: could travel by myself. I was. I made some mistakes.
Speaker 3: I ended up on the street, you know, no money,
Speaker 3: having to call mommy and I agage send some money,
Speaker 3: all proud, but then I had to call her and
Speaker 3: I stayed and I kept going to the library to
Speaker 3: learn the language, to teach myself, and eventually people didn't
Speaker 3: know that I spoke. So when it was stomp to
Speaker 3: negotiate for the dance shows, I could hear people talking.
Speaker 3: I mean they were still so disrespectful, you know, it
Speaker 3: was like, well, you know, and then I would you know,
Speaker 3: I would yeah, I would be like hey, huh good.
Speaker 3: So so that was a real learning curve because I
Speaker 3: was a shy kid, and so you had to like
Speaker 3: kind of put my chest up and kind of say
Speaker 3: my piece, and that was very difficult. But when I
Speaker 3: met Rob, who was my older brother, then he was
Speaker 3: taken on the slack. He was like he spoke the
Speaker 3: language and knew the people, and it became a little easier.
Speaker 3: But Rob was gangster. He was like, ooh, my dude,
Speaker 3: didn't care.
Speaker 2: Wow. When you were younger, even before you went to Germany,
Speaker 2: like what did your parents do, what was like your
Speaker 2: home situation like, and what was it that you wanted
Speaker 2: to do when you got older? When you were when
Speaker 2: you were a kid like eight, nine, ten eleven.
Speaker 3: You know, growing up growing up in parents, my parents
Speaker 3: being Caribbean and Creole, we used to go on vacation
Speaker 3: every other year back to the roots and no point attended.
Speaker 3: And my my my grandfather was an accordion on his
Speaker 3: player and during the summer it was Carnival, so he
Speaker 3: would play those shows. So I would go and see
Speaker 3: the shows. He would be doing soloing and I was
Speaker 3: like wow. And certainly my parents returning to children, there
Speaker 3: was that that wall between parents and children would disappear
Speaker 3: because of music. And I noticed that really quickly and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, man, I want to get down
Speaker 3: with that. That's what I want to do. My mom
Speaker 3: was like what island from welp and French at the end.
Speaker 3: And my dad is from another island called the Saints,
Speaker 3: and my grandfather came from off the coast. There's some
Speaker 3: cluster of island off the coast of Calcutta, India, and they
Speaker 3: migrated to the Caribbean. So you know, so when you create,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like you put everything in the park.
Speaker 3: That's why my brother's got green eyes and he's three
Speaker 3: shades lighter.
Speaker 2: And night, including you, because I feel like this is
Speaker 2: you from nineteen eighty eight talking like yeah, you're still
Speaker 2: to say, it's still like you're in your twenties. I
Speaker 2: need your secret.
Speaker 3: Music is a secret, you know, really and really loving
Speaker 3: yourself and surrounding yourself from good people and loving what
Speaker 3: you do and trying to steep as well as you
Speaker 3: can working out eating. Well, there's basics, you know, the basics,
Speaker 3: but if you practice, you know, and with with with time,
Speaker 3: now we've learned about intermediate fasting. We know more about
Speaker 3: you know, because of the Internet. We we've now been
Speaker 3: able to grab onto the stuff, the knowledge. It's the
Speaker 3: age of information. So you can if you want to
Speaker 3: learn how to play an NPC, if you school you too,
Speaker 3: that's all and you're going to figure it out.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: You can figure out anything software. You want to paint
Speaker 3: your house, you want to make a table, you go
Speaker 3: to figure out. We didn't have that. So when it
Speaker 3: came to playing instruments or you know, I remember I
Speaker 3: had an NPC, the manual was so thick. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I tried to play with that thing, but it was
Speaker 3: discouraging because I could only play corners the machine. And
Speaker 3: that's now what they got. They got everything nice, Like
Speaker 3: if you want to do something, you can do it now.
Speaker 3: You know, to drive.
Speaker 2: The first show that you I guess became a professional
Speaker 2: that dance show. Can you describe what that show was
Speaker 2: like or what the name of that show was?
Speaker 3: Oh man, So that was I was doing that in
Speaker 3: my French counterparts. We came from Paris with that was
Speaker 3: first and they were professional dancers and I was just
Speaker 3: new to the group. So they had certain types of
Speaker 3: giographies that we rehearsed all the time, and one of
Speaker 3: them was a slow motion like it was like a
Speaker 3: like a race and Olympic a race in The music
Speaker 3: was from Evangelists. I don't know if you go Evangelists.
Speaker 3: He did the music for a blade runner. He did
Speaker 3: this sound trifle.
Speaker 6: Baby Yeah angelic and we would start in slow motion
Speaker 6: and then it would go into uh, like a boxing
Speaker 6: match because we were doing sports, and we would do
Speaker 6: soccer all in slow motion, and then it would go
Speaker 6: to I think muscle from Donna Ross and there it
Speaker 6: was kind of like you know, in Box of shorts.
Speaker 3: We ended up in the box of shorts, and then
Speaker 3: we would go into this you know, motion and carography
Speaker 3: and dance and and it would be done at summer
Speaker 3: and so on. We picked the music that we felt
Speaker 3: like felt good, and I would finish with Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: really because I had I had a Jay car at
Speaker 3: the time, you know, I said, so we put the
Speaker 3: product in the hair, and I would I would go
Speaker 3: back and change, put my my pants, put the socks
Speaker 3: on the shoes, and it would be Billy Jean. You know.
Speaker 3: Of course, you know, everybody was a fan, and I
Speaker 3: was a big fan too, So I thought, yeah, maybe
Speaker 3: we should add that at the end to just create
Speaker 3: like climax. And then just like James Brown, at the
Speaker 3: end of my performance, one of the guys would come
Speaker 3: and put a cape over my back and I would
Speaker 3: leave the stage, you know, because I had seen James
Speaker 3: Brown do that, I was like, oh, that's cool, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: So can you explain the process, Like, how do you
Speaker 2: guys meet the attention of Frank Farrion? I guess for
Speaker 2: our listeners who might not be aware of Frank Farrian
Speaker 2: impresario kind of what you would say, I guess a
Speaker 2: manager or a producer who kind of brought forth to
Speaker 2: world acts like meat Loaf, not to mention Bony m
Speaker 2: as well, well, he did the like I know, it
Speaker 2: took meat Loaf like twelve thirteen years to make a
Speaker 2: follow up to bat out of Hell. So I know
Speaker 2: that who produced the first one. Steve Todd Rundgren produced
Speaker 2: that bad out of Help Meet Loof album, right, So
Speaker 2: the follow up record, I know that Frank Farian produced
Speaker 2: that or had a hand in it.
Speaker 4: That's so odd for him after watching his documentary considering
Speaker 4: like meat Loaf visually was not what you would have
Speaker 4: thought would sell, but he really cared about those things.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, Well that's why I want to know, Like,
Speaker 2: just in general, I don't know much about Frank Farian
Speaker 2: as a starmaker or as a producer in any of
Speaker 2: those things. So could you tell us, like how how
Speaker 2: you guys first met him?
Speaker 3: Well, how we met is because we used to play
Speaker 3: soccer in Munich, Germany in summer and the majority of
Speaker 3: those guys who were connected to the music industry, especially
Speaker 3: one of them was Benoble Hide and it was a
Speaker 3: guitar player Studio Kat, who used to do vocals for
Speaker 3: Frank and play guite. Frank and we were close to
Speaker 3: each other and we would try we were trying with
Speaker 3: different producers in the city of Munich, you know, try
Speaker 3: to get into music industry. And he was a friend
Speaker 3: of ours and we told him, Hey, you know, we'd
Speaker 3: love to find the right people in the music industry.
Speaker 3: Maybe you can hook us up. And we started to
Speaker 3: put a band together, performed in the city, and this
Speaker 3: guy also was part of the band. We rehearsed for
Speaker 3: two weeks and performed in Pis in this club that
Speaker 3: was a very known place at the time, and from
Speaker 3: there people heard, they heard about us, and then it
Speaker 3: went all the way back to Frank and then Vava.
Speaker 3: It came to our, It came to us and we
Speaker 3: got the number and I called. I didn't know. I
Speaker 3: didn't know who Frank was. I knew Bunny m m hm,
Speaker 3: and but I grew up on you know, Ciron.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh our listen and base wouldn't know that as
Speaker 2: the rocket in the pocket breakbeat that most hip hopthes
Speaker 2: spun in the seventies. But yes, from France, that's right.
Speaker 3: And that was like, you know, I used to listen
Speaker 3: to and I was listening to a bunch of out
Speaker 3: there stuff. But then Bonniem came around. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's cool too. So when when Rob told me, hey,
Speaker 3: that's Frank Farn, that's Frank Finer producer, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't know who he is, you know, you know
Speaker 3: Bonny m and I remember going to parties with the
Speaker 3: kids and Boniem was playing, but I was more into
Speaker 3: disco summer and that. But then when he told me
Speaker 3: how big this guy was, I was like, wow, let's go.
Speaker 3: Then let's go, and we ended up going to the
Speaker 3: studio and that studio. You know, I watched a lot
Speaker 3: of doc as a kid about music. And when we
Speaker 3: got into the studio, it looked just like the studios
Speaker 3: from America. It was it was there was consoles, it
Speaker 3: was it was like the real like our boy gear,
Speaker 3: like in the square, the whole wall, and it was
Speaker 3: four rooms like that. There was no one. There was
Speaker 3: four SSL NI console, best micro for everything and in
Speaker 3: every room it was at least five people working. So
Speaker 3: it was like a factory. So we went in there
Speaker 3: and then to top it off, you get all the
Speaker 3: gold records on the wall. So we young naive, didn't
Speaker 3: know anything and never signed any contracts before, don't have
Speaker 3: a manager and an attorney, nothing, no, no experience with
Speaker 3: in that regards. So going in there was like man,
Speaker 3: we made it like we were the right home, you know.
Speaker 3: So we met Frank and we had a conversation about
Speaker 3: music is assistant slash slash slash And because I said
Speaker 3: slash slash slash, because she was. She was handling the business.
Speaker 3: She was the she was the she was the charmer.
Speaker 3: You know, she was like you know, she she would
Speaker 3: like you know many blind used parking speak in a
Speaker 3: very soft voice, and you know he trusted her. Frank
Speaker 3: would never be in a room too long. We speak
Speaker 3: with you, then you'd be out and then she take over.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say hi so shortly that we
Speaker 3: never really had big contact with him, but he said hi.
Speaker 4: Was this is the head. Yeah, young lady that's in
Speaker 4: the doctor.
Speaker 2: What's her name?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And great Yeah, yeah, Angrid. Yeah.
Speaker 3: She would do the stuff. She organized everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wanted to know just the kind of basis
Speaker 2: of operations, like, so, what do they explaining to you
Speaker 2: at the time that you know, you guys have a look,
Speaker 2: we could make you guys the big stars, Like oh, like,
Speaker 2: are they telling you at this moment we can sell
Speaker 2: trillions of records or are they just basically saying like, look,
Speaker 2: let's just make a hit single and see what happens.
Speaker 3: No, it was none of that, as because you know
Speaker 3: now inside twenty twenty. The first meeting we had was
Speaker 3: to look what we look like, because they heard about us,
Speaker 3: what they look like, what are they about? You know,
Speaker 3: So we just spoke about music, you know, and like
Speaker 3: I said, Frank was there very shortly, so it was
Speaker 3: more in contact with Ingrid and we just talked about
Speaker 3: our dreams and what we would do. We were we're
Speaker 3: the same, you know, just like a regular artist who
Speaker 3: gets an opportunity, so you try to sell yourself. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, we really want to work with you.
Speaker 3: We say, we performed, you know, Rob played played guitar
Speaker 3: with some basic blues chords, and we would try to
Speaker 3: write all the time, you know. So we talked about
Speaker 3: you know, the fact that yeah, Rob played guitar very well,
Speaker 3: but we said he played guitar, we sing harmonies together.
Speaker 3: You know. It was not that long. They were busy.
Speaker 3: Said okay, it was a pleasure to meet you. But
Speaker 3: what was cool is they pay for the rental cars.
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh nice, you know, so you know,
Speaker 3: we met to spend any money to get there, so
Speaker 3: that that was cool. So even the meeting was short,
Speaker 3: We're like, okay, so we'll call you, We keep in touch.
Speaker 3: We got the numbers, you know, and like you know,
Speaker 3: and this we were told they talked to Ingrid, she's
Speaker 3: the one to talk to. But Frank, no access anytime.
Speaker 4: Did anybody comment on your actual singing voices? That's what
Speaker 4: I was wondering, is y'all were going through this part
Speaker 4: of the process.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it was just the first meeting. Then
Speaker 3: after that, through the months, we you know, we were like, okay,
Speaker 3: we're going to get in business with this dude. We
Speaker 3: know we got money. We were doing you know, we
Speaker 3: were performing, but it was not bringing the money. So
Speaker 3: we were like, okay, since we know we're gonna work
Speaker 3: with them, maybe we should call them and ask for
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit of money, like you know.
Speaker 3: And they were always very nice and say, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: here's some money. We didn't know that that money wasn't free,
Speaker 3: so we kept calling, We kept calling, we kept getting
Speaker 3: because we had to pay our rents, you know, hook
Speaker 3: up that hair, you know, eat, the basics being that much.
Speaker 3: So then finally we were able to come to the studio,
Speaker 3: you know, and first it played us first of all,
Speaker 3: before doing all that we'd signed a contract because we
Speaker 3: came a few times in between and we signed a
Speaker 3: recording contract. So that's why the money that we have
Speaker 3: been we've been receiving, you know, prior was becoming Okay,
Speaker 3: it's official, signed the contract. There is no no manager, no,
Speaker 3: you know, no attorney. And today was a talking to
Speaker 3: someone and it just popped on my head that we
Speaker 3: were given the last two pages of the contract. We
Speaker 3: were never given the contract like, hey, here's the contract,
Speaker 3: go check it out like this. No, they gave us
Speaker 3: the last two pages. I didn't stan that contract was
Speaker 3: in German, so we had to so, hey, here it is.
Speaker 3: The money was there. It's like yo, cash, he's on
Speaker 3: the table. I won't get We're gonna some paper. So
Speaker 3: we just signed. That's just like that. So we thought like, man,
Speaker 3: it's cool. And then after that we kept asking for
Speaker 3: some money because it took so long in order to
Speaker 3: get to the studio. Until we got to the studio,
Speaker 3: and then I didn't know much about because the studio
Speaker 3: that we worked at they used to have like task them.
Speaker 3: They they didn't have like the knees with the tapes.
Speaker 3: When we come to the studio, all the tape hanging
Speaker 3: on the wall. It was like, oh, oh is that.
Speaker 3: It was like like, oh yes, because you know we
Speaker 3: know where everything is. Oh cool. But when they played
Speaker 3: the track, I'm sure they mute the vocals because the
Speaker 3: vocals everything was.
Speaker 4: So y'all sang these songs. Oh God, y'all sang these songs.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no. Listen. The songs were the recorded
Speaker 3: The singers were already on the because they were recording
Speaker 3: music ahead of time. So if I would have known
Speaker 3: about how as to your works it picks to your works,
Speaker 3: it could have seen like, oh, lead vocals, backgrounds, here, harmonies.
Speaker 3: I didn't know. So when we came to the studio,
Speaker 3: they just they did what they did. I'm sure they muted.
Speaker 3: Andy said, hey, it's track, and then it was just instrumental.
Speaker 2: Okay, so wa I didn't play the vocal Okay, I
Speaker 2: get it now.
Speaker 3: Yeah no. So but that track was banging. I mean
Speaker 3: you had like you know, you had the main that
Speaker 3: was plaw. It's like for us, you know, when you're young,
Speaker 3: your imagination runs wild. So we saw ourselves like on
Speaker 3: stage and doing this thing. Robbays looking at me like
Speaker 3: we were smiling, like he was like, yo, we're good.
Speaker 3: But we never talked until this point. Nobody came no
Speaker 3: vocal coach because you know, everybody wants to vocal coach.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know a lot of people were I
Speaker 3: didn't know that. But there's a coach, there's a songwriter,
Speaker 3: there's and you take people even though they don't have
Speaker 3: the talent at that moment, they got a little son something.
Speaker 3: Some people invest and they believe in them, and then
Speaker 3: after an album of two like yo, they're good, they're
Speaker 3: pretty sweet. But it was none of that because the
Speaker 3: only thing that was interested in from the beginning was
Speaker 3: to use the visuals. That's all because he did it
Speaker 3: with Bunny him they may explained Frank Fyon sang the
Speaker 3: vocal of Bobby Firell got.
Speaker 2: The blind from Yeah, I did not know that.
Speaker 3: So Frank did the vocals for Bobby Farrell and that's
Speaker 3: where he found his formula, Like, oh that works. Also,
Speaker 3: the one thing I heard was that, and you know, Frank,
Speaker 3: it was an artist was trying to make it and
Speaker 3: the music that he was making. The label were like, hey,
Speaker 3: now he can make black music, you're white. And you
Speaker 3: know what happened? Like so as an artist. He was like, oh,
Speaker 3: so I can't do black music because I'm white, all right, Dan,
Speaker 3: so figured you figured it out. He got his formula,
Speaker 3: you got the girls, he got the guy, and then
Speaker 3: he did the vocals from the guy. And then he
Speaker 3: kept working and kept working. He kept working. Then years
Speaker 3: past and moving and it comes around, well he can't
Speaker 3: do that. So what he's gonna do. He's gonna go
Speaker 3: get people that he works with in his studio, have
Speaker 3: them come at night military operation. We are in Munich.
Speaker 3: We don't know nothing. They got the guys. But the
Speaker 3: thing is they were already looking, they were preparing us
Speaker 3: stuff in advance. We just came into the foe. We
Speaker 3: just fell into the trap, not knowing that the sole
Speaker 3: thing they were willing to they wanted to use was
Speaker 3: the face. So singing was that never came into play.
Speaker 3: So when we heard the track and we were smiling,
Speaker 3: then he took us through another room and then he
Speaker 3: kind of put it on us and he started talking
Speaker 3: to Rob in German. Because through the years I was
Speaker 3: more like an after the fact, I was never I
Speaker 3: guess I never was really truly respected.
Speaker 4: I never felt you didn't have the green ass.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was missing something. So it was always
Speaker 3: they were talking to him and they would relate everything
Speaker 3: to me, and he would then you relate everything to me,
Speaker 3: and he was getting pissed. Rubb was like a firecracker,
Speaker 3: so I could see him like, oh, my dude's getting mad, Like, yo,
Speaker 3: we were feeling good a second ago. You messed it
Speaker 3: all up. I'm thinking you said something wrong and we
Speaker 3: lose We lost that thing. The dude walked away pissed,
Speaker 3: pissed because we didn't want to do it, and Rubb
Speaker 3: was like, no, we're not doing that. So Rubb was
Speaker 3: already saying we're not doing that. But then you know Ingrid,
Speaker 3: like that, the voice of reason comes, like I think
Speaker 3: it's in Mogli. You know, there's the I think it's
Speaker 3: a snake in Mogli that comes in like.
Speaker 2: M sweet talk.
Speaker 3: And makes you look at reality. Hey, you got some money,
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 4: Hey, But fab in retrospect, when you look at Ingrid
Speaker 4: and Washington's documentary and knowing the history of like where
Speaker 4: Rob comes from as an orphan, adopted child and all that,
Speaker 4: don't you think she fed right in to all of that,
Speaker 4: like she became this also kind of like she said
Speaker 4: in the documentary. Yeah, but she said we loved each
Speaker 4: other with no sex, so not even just a mother.
Speaker 4: It's a little sicker than that, a mirror because she
Speaker 4: like mother. But but he hot though, you know, but
Speaker 4: we not. It was.
Speaker 3: Listen, I don't be I when I saw that, I
Speaker 3: was like, it made me feel weird because I know
Speaker 3: Rubb was gangster, and let me tell you, Rubb was.
Speaker 3: It was always gangster. But when with the drugs it
Speaker 3: became he switched, it was not the same person that
Speaker 3: I knew. And then it was about it became by him,
Speaker 3: you know, because it became you know, he became an addict,
Speaker 3: so then it was not the same dude that I
Speaker 3: grew up with who had my back and all that.
Speaker 3: So maybe it was just you know, taking care of
Speaker 3: you know, of.
Speaker 4: So many words for this in twenty twenty three, with
Speaker 4: the traumas and knowing like a little bit of a
Speaker 4: round history and it was inevitable if it wasn't nurtured correctly, that.
Speaker 3: He had a baby, he had a big void, you know.
Speaker 3: And obviously when you go into entertainment like like I did,
Speaker 3: and it was you know, you want to be loved
Speaker 3: and what you don't get that stuff at home, You're
Speaker 3: going to go and get it like in another way.
Speaker 3: And when people say, oh I love you, Oh you're
Speaker 3: the best, you know, and that when we got that,
Speaker 3: that's part of the seduction because we did that for
Speaker 3: a single. And then obviously we sunned and a contract
Speaker 3: for five albums, which we didn't understand that concept because
Speaker 3: we never seen a contract. We just know. We just
Speaker 3: thought it was two pages, but it was a full,
Speaker 3: full on contract. Your clauses and you know and all that.
Speaker 2: Can you explain the basis of how you guys came
Speaker 2: to the name Milli Vanilli.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the name Millie anally was. You know, there
Speaker 3: was a group called Pretty Polity that was from London
Speaker 3: and we loved we loved their sounds and we loved
Speaker 3: the way it rolled on the tongue was pretty Polity.
Speaker 3: That's cool. So we're trying to find something. So we
Speaker 3: and then we were thinking, okay, ice cream, dark dude,
Speaker 3: live dude, like ice cream. It was kind of cheap,
Speaker 3: didn't dark and we like, oh, nearly's cool, Million's dope.
Speaker 3: And then somehow this ingriaged little name was Milli. And
Speaker 3: then when we how we mixed it all up and
Speaker 3: it was like MILLI van nearly and then it had
Speaker 3: this ring to it. It had Italian, it kind of
Speaker 3: sang and it's tough. It was like and people always
Speaker 3: ask are you million? Are you nearly?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I initially thought that one was million, one was vadilli.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, that's right, and and that's how
Speaker 3: it came about, you know, like that, and we just
Speaker 3: rolle it. And then what happened was we did as
Speaker 3: first trial. I'll tell you like, because I'm sure you're
Speaker 3: gonna ask me the question like, so how did you
Speaker 3: who picked what and why? Because you know, obviously we
Speaker 3: didn't sing on the record, so it's like, why did
Speaker 3: you pick that? And what did you pick that? Well?
Speaker 3: Truth and matter is that Rob was like, I ain't
Speaker 3: trying to do much, so oh Rob.
Speaker 2: It's smart. Was the video the first thing that you
Speaker 2: guys did as the unit, No.
Speaker 3: No, no, first it was we did first we did
Speaker 3: a I think it was a trialout and we went
Speaker 3: to a radio station that was regional and we did
Speaker 3: this thing and there was no talk of video. And
Speaker 3: then that that thing that we did at a TV
Speaker 3: studio basic after picking up the parts. That thing kind
Speaker 3: of it went like wildfire into region and that's when
Speaker 3: Frank was like, well and we got something there, you know.
Speaker 3: And then they started to like test the record and
Speaker 3: play the record in the clubs, in black clubs in
Speaker 3: Frankfurt and in the club called Funkadelic where Frank used
Speaker 3: to go in with the vinyl because he had a
Speaker 3: Furman No, I forgot the name of that, that vinyl
Speaker 3: machine where you can print vinyl. Yeah, he had one
Speaker 3: of them. Yeah, and then we test press, go to
Speaker 3: the club and we'd come back and be like so
Speaker 3: then when when you had it right and funk the
Speaker 3: lick was mostly dark skinned people mostly, so it's all Americans,
Speaker 3: and you know, like he was like, yo, I got it,
Speaker 3: I got it. But you know that was done by
Speaker 3: new marks, you know, right, that was a cover so
Speaker 3: it was not too difficult to like, Okay, you already
Speaker 3: have something that is obviously great. But he blew it up.
Speaker 3: You know, he had a bigger, better equipment, but it
Speaker 3: kind of duplicated it actually what it was. But I
Speaker 3: can't take take it away from him. That first she
Speaker 3: had the instinctive pick that one or somebody else picked
Speaker 3: it and brought it to him.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So at what point do you realize, like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, this is going to be major Because even then,
Speaker 2: like you guys weren't on Aris director yets in the States,
Speaker 2: Like oh no, it started out as an ndie labeled
Speaker 2: thing and sort of just rose its way up to
Speaker 2: the top. At what point do you realize, like, oh god,
Speaker 2: this is going to be something?
Speaker 3: Well, it was we were we were living at a
Speaker 3: friend's house, you know. We it was like a very
Speaker 3: small apartment, and they had the showco Formula one form
Speaker 3: the lines and then it was a Saturday because on
Speaker 3: Saturday the Charles would come up and we were there
Speaker 3: just watching it and here we were. It was like
Speaker 3: and we used to watch the shows regularly, you know,
Speaker 3: like and we used to dance behind some of the
Speaker 3: people that used to perform on that show as backup dancers.
Speaker 3: And then there we look at the TV. We hear
Speaker 3: a song. We were like, oh my god. We started
Speaker 3: breaking stuff in that apartment through excitement. It was like
Speaker 3: it was like hearing your song for the first time
Speaker 3: on the radio. It was the snippets, but we were
Speaker 3: in the charts because they were playing the chorus of
Speaker 3: each song from the bottom, like the entry. So I
Speaker 3: think they were doing the top twenty and I think
Speaker 3: we were. We were number twenty there. But then it
Speaker 3: went we went quick, like super quick, and then it
Speaker 3: started to get organized and we had to be that
Speaker 3: we were sent on the road. And then there was
Speaker 3: like suddenly we had in grid around and there was
Speaker 3: a car, there was car service, then there was hotel,
Speaker 3: and it was planes.
Speaker 4: And then it was like, okay, are you curious about
Speaker 4: the actual voices that are you're hearing? Like do you
Speaker 4: ever wonder who is? It?
Speaker 3: Always always curious. As a matter of fact, I ended
Speaker 3: up working the past seven years. Six years. I worked
Speaker 3: with John Davies who passed away. Okay, that's cool, you know, Yes,
Speaker 3: we were on the road. I've been on the road.
Speaker 3: I performed the songs with the band without the band tape.
Speaker 3: You know, I've been doing that for years.
Speaker 2: It's super common now, Like right now, I'm a shit.
Speaker 2: I just came from a Duran Durant show and I
Speaker 2: swear to god, there were at least eight MacBook pros
Speaker 2: with like at least five terrorbyte hard drives backstage. So
Speaker 2: what was the technology like back then, because in my
Speaker 2: mind I didn't start seeing at least like the blatant
Speaker 2: technology at least until the early aughts like ninety eight,
Speaker 2: ninety nine, two thousand, where there's pro tools and that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So what was what was the process
Speaker 2: like and preparing for performances back then?
Speaker 3: Well, the process is what happened was we got the
Speaker 3: tapes because we did one hundred and seven cities shows
Speaker 3: in eight months. So the process is we got the
Speaker 3: twenty four track tapes, went to the studio and then
Speaker 3: the engineer, music supervisors were in the room and then
Speaker 3: they say, okay, we need this, we need this, we
Speaker 3: need this, and then they transferred that to a fair light.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, we went through a fair light. But before
Speaker 3: that we went into I think it was for the
Speaker 3: MTV tour, we did I think an Oberheim, like the
Speaker 3: big Oberheim.
Speaker 2: And then the so everything goes in the keyboard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything goes in a keyboard.
Speaker 2: So is it triggered or is it like to the
Speaker 2: point where because the thing is, I don't know if
Speaker 2: back in eighty nine to ninety if there's in ears
Speaker 2: where you hear or the count off and all those things.
Speaker 3: Now the count off was like it was a drummer
Speaker 3: count off was drummer dark, dark dark, and then.
Speaker 2: And they would just have to play to.
Speaker 3: The tape. They played the tape even the band. The
Speaker 3: band was playing, you know, but we knew that. We
Speaker 3: knew that after like a couple of bars, like okay,
Speaker 3: let's it. So it was rehearsed as well. So a
Speaker 3: lot of work went went into it. You know. It
Speaker 3: was because it had to be seamless in order to
Speaker 3: be believable, you know. And I just loved the process
Speaker 3: of creating the show. We we created the visuals, we
Speaker 3: you know, we the band. We even added sections because
Speaker 3: we thought because we listened to everything when you came
Speaker 3: when we came into our room before a show, it
Speaker 3: was from a CDC to get band to Cooling the Gang,
Speaker 3: to the Beatles to led Zeppelin into sex pistols. It
Speaker 3: was everything. Because in Europe the charts was you know,
Speaker 3: everything went into the same charts. There was no separation.
Speaker 3: So I remember we added a van Halen solo in
Speaker 3: the middle of So we would come up with those
Speaker 3: ideas like for example, I had simple because I had
Speaker 3: a Chai. I had a small Achai nine hundred yeah,
Speaker 3: there was the end of nine hundred, there was a thousand,
Speaker 3: and then he went up and I would I would
Speaker 3: watch movies in l A and I we're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I saw Ben Her and Ben Her at the yeah,
Speaker 3: and I said, told the musical director listen, I want
Speaker 3: to I want to start the show with this. And
Speaker 3: I was like, are you sure, said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sure. And I was a fan of classical music.
Speaker 3: So when we did the first time, man, it was
Speaker 3: like it was like the arena and the crowd went crazy,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, we're keeping that because it didn't.
Speaker 3: They were like, are you sure, I can't. We're sure.
Speaker 3: We put the bills here. You know, we're the boss,
Speaker 3: so just trust and then it worked. So we would
Speaker 3: add little things to make the show, make the show better,
Speaker 3: because that's how we could really affect because the vocals
Speaker 3: were like that was like glop.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I remember, so I used
Speaker 2: to religiously record every award show and every just basic
Speaker 2: music television show. I mean, now, of course, you know,
Speaker 2: with what we have now, you can just go on
Speaker 2: YouTube and see stuff. But I'd religiously record these things.
Speaker 2: And what I remember most about the Grammy performance was
Speaker 2: like the first four bars, you guys, actually the drums
Speaker 2: were straight out of Compton, And I remember I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: like you know, I'm in back then when I was
Speaker 2: seventeen years old and when Gary Sandling's like, ladies don't
Speaker 2: know and I'm here in the opening tracks straight out
Speaker 2: of Compton, Like I remember, me and my cousins were
Speaker 2: like super high, like what's going on there? Like y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all came out with this sonic It was like a
Speaker 2: sonic assault. And every performance I saw you guys do
Speaker 2: it was like your life depended on it. Like I've
Speaker 2: never seen two hyper people in my life, like really
Speaker 2: really sell this problem.
Speaker 3: So for me and listen, listen to n w A
Speaker 3: as well all day.
Speaker 4: Oh that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And but Sonny Cleeton had so much powers that
Speaker 3: we were like, yo, we're trying to make our show
Speaker 3: as strong as possible. So that's my simple thing was cool,
Speaker 3: you know, so if we could hear something that would
Speaker 3: help us, you know, stimulate the crowd, something that was familiar, man,
Speaker 3: we take that. You know. It was just like you know,
Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, back in the day, we
Speaker 3: will we were going to go into engineering school. But
Speaker 3: we had to pay We had to pay something, and
Speaker 3: that money went somewhere else. But we could have gone
Speaker 3: to engineering school while money ran out.
Speaker 2: By the time that at least in America we get
Speaker 2: uh the album. I mean, the thing is that many
Speaker 2: people don't know is that around the world the album
Speaker 2: was all or nothing. Yeah, and I you know, I
Speaker 2: guess for America, I didn't even know. It's so crazy
Speaker 2: that I had no clue that Diane Warren wrote, uh
Speaker 2: wrote blame it on the rain. So yeah, I was
Speaker 2: curious as did did Kevin not want to participate in
Speaker 2: the document?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, you know politics mine, That's so like, that's
Speaker 3: all I can think of. You know, it must there
Speaker 3: must have been some political thing that played to because
Speaker 3: why not Kevin? You know, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: Bill Petuwez says.
Speaker 2: High, why did you feel that now was the time
Speaker 2: to tell the story? How long was the process? And
Speaker 2: to you make a miss project?
Speaker 3: No, you had nothing to do with the time. Is
Speaker 3: just the wrong people came by always it was always
Speaker 3: the wrong one. Their approach was like it was like
Speaker 3: sensationalizing the thing and almost like fictional like nah, and
Speaker 3: you could tell, like, because I'm pretty good at engaging people,
Speaker 3: you know, my manager Kimalo as well, And every time
Speaker 3: we set it with people, you felt like it wasn't kosher,
Speaker 3: it wasn't good. It was like, nah, man, they just
Speaker 3: see it's a great story and they want to be
Speaker 3: attached to it. But I didn't feel the genuine and
Speaker 3: passion to it.
Speaker 4: Were you pitched a lot? Was it a lot of projects?
Speaker 3: How oh man? Through the years. First of all, we
Speaker 3: went through the movie that felt apart. Then it was
Speaker 3: all kind of like then it was Brett Ratner who
Speaker 3: was supposed to do our movie, and then because of
Speaker 3: what happened to him, I fell apart. And then I
Speaker 3: was getting tired of it. I gave up on the
Speaker 3: idea of doing this, whether it was TV series where
Speaker 3: there is documentary, I gave up on it. I said,
Speaker 3: I said. My manager said, Kim Marvel, I said, you
Speaker 3: do your thing. I'm going to go to Europe. I
Speaker 3: need to get out of the US and and really
Speaker 3: just go and do you know, like get away, because
Speaker 3: if I would have, I don't feel like if I stay,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be right. I don't matter much time.
Speaker 3: So I left, she pursued it. She she she met
Speaker 3: people and then one day she said, listen, I think
Speaker 3: we got a live one. And then we met and
Speaker 3: he was this dude. I could feel it was passionate everything,
Speaker 3: because you know, I don't usually trust for people's so
Speaker 3: I heard, I listened, I say cool, but I felt
Speaker 3: like he was cool. But you never know. But then
Speaker 3: I was told he told me go watch something that
Speaker 3: I did and it's called Delt. It's about a blind magician.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at this thing, not knowing what it
Speaker 3: was because he told me, yeah, it's called DELT. So
Speaker 3: I figured it out. I'm watching and in the first
Speaker 3: five minutes, this dude shuffles cards around and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: and then in one second they go to his face
Speaker 3: and my dude is blind. Wow, a blind magician. And
Speaker 3: then they followed this dude for four years and they
Speaker 3: had to go through a lot of footage and the story.
Speaker 3: The way they weaved the whole story was magnificent. It
Speaker 3: was very subtle, but you could feel each characters. You
Speaker 3: could feel the pain of eating. And I was like, well,
Speaker 3: if they were able to do that with with this story,
Speaker 3: And I was looking at my story where it's bang
Speaker 3: bang fireworks bam bam. And I was like, I'd be
Speaker 3: interesting to have to go through the motions and massage
Speaker 3: this thing and make because of art. There is an
Speaker 3: art to making a good documentary, but also to report.
Speaker 3: And what they did they did a lot of investigative
Speaker 3: journalists just and they found out stuff that I had
Speaker 3: no idea about. I was like, oh wow, so that's
Speaker 3: why the more we work together, I was like, man,
Speaker 3: my dude is passionate, like crazy. He was like he
Speaker 3: wanted to get then you get it. And even the
Speaker 3: way he interviewed the record executive, it was just.
Speaker 4: About to say that fab the way that he interviewed
Speaker 4: those record executives and made them and asked them, so
Speaker 4: why were their names on it when they got to
Speaker 4: America but this album before their names weren't on it.
Speaker 4: Things make this make sense.
Speaker 3: He worked and he worked, and he could hear it
Speaker 3: and tell the ca be cared, and he's genuinely cared.
Speaker 3: He understood what happened to us, because when you're bigger
Speaker 3: than life like this, people desensitize to the fact that
Speaker 3: no human being he's stop, he's got money, what is
Speaker 3: he care like, man a little, I can make those jokes. Man,
Speaker 3: don't stop crying, baby, You're like a baby, you know.
Speaker 3: And we were like whoa assaulted verbally so much when
Speaker 3: when Rob tried to jump out the window, they make
Speaker 3: jokes about it like, oh so cause and effect, Robbing
Speaker 3: the end died of a broken heart. It broke his heart,
Speaker 3: like and then he was doing drugs. So on top
Speaker 3: of that, when you're not riding the head like this,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, emotionally, your emotional intelligence, if you
Speaker 3: ever had some goes out the dough boom, he's gone,
Speaker 3: he said. And you'll never come back from that, especially
Speaker 3: if you mess up with your brain, you know. So,
Speaker 3: and they were not nice at all. It was so
Speaker 3: brutal and me, lucky me, I was like, yo, I'm
Speaker 3: going to give it up. I don't think it's for me.
Speaker 3: It was a social thing. But I could tell if
Speaker 3: I would go any further, I would fell off the
Speaker 3: edge and to come back from there, you know, because
Speaker 3: I've seen it in La, walking in La, or even
Speaker 3: in New York when I lived in New York, like
Speaker 3: oh damn. I lived in New York for about a
Speaker 3: year a year or so, and I saw people from
Speaker 3: the past, and I was like, dangn I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: don't let this happen to you, you know. So I
Speaker 3: took my health very seriously, and actually my doctors told me, listen,
Speaker 3: remember those words. He said, success comes and goes, but
Speaker 3: the one thing people remember is your face. If you
Speaker 3: don't look the same, you know, they're gonna look like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, the same Spanish. Poor dude, he's done, it's cooked,
Speaker 3: he's finished. But if you focus on yourself and you
Speaker 3: keep on growing, you might have a chance to kind
Speaker 3: of look like what you look like. And if you
Speaker 3: work on yourself, you might make something out of yourself.
Speaker 3: Because you noticed I was not right, I was doing
Speaker 3: the wrong things. But like he was kind of like
Speaker 3: a father figure, and he tried to talk some sense
Speaker 3: into me and saying, hey, you know, you might have
Speaker 3: another shot someday. Don't throw it all out the door.
Speaker 3: Make sure your health is right, you know. And I
Speaker 3: realized that I knew that when you take care of
Speaker 3: your health, well, you know, things are better, Your mind
Speaker 3: is better, more clear, right, you know, things are difference
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 2: Was there period where you just absolutely positively wanted nothing
Speaker 2: to do the story where like you just went years
Speaker 2: without you know, doing it or I mean, now, it's
Speaker 2: really great to see you embrace the story.
Speaker 3: And the reason why I've embraced the story now is
Speaker 3: because before it was very difficult for me to just
Speaker 3: because I was so fragile emotionally, and everything said about me.
Speaker 3: It was like I was being bullied and you know,
Speaker 3: like all kinds of insult and I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: it's tough to take. So I told myself, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna go back to Europe. Music is really my love.
Speaker 3: Music is my friend, my father, my mother, my confident.
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna go and hang out with music,
Speaker 3: make her proud because music and French music is feminine.
Speaker 3: It's a woman. I'm gonna work with her. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make her proud. I'm gonna keep looking myself and at
Speaker 3: some point I'm gonna be secure enough to not have
Speaker 3: none of that touch me anymore. But I got to
Speaker 3: do my work. So I went to songwriting, I went
Speaker 3: to playing guitar, got into producing, and I've been making
Speaker 3: music ever since. I never stopped, I never stopped creating,
Speaker 3: making making making. People have no idea, but when I'm
Speaker 3: gonna come. I'm gonna come that door when it opens up,
Speaker 3: and I'm releasing music. Man, I'm just gonna people are
Speaker 3: gonna be like, oh and nothing and nothing's gonna stop
Speaker 3: me from doing that. And age is nothing but a
Speaker 3: number because it's all about the work. As a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, when you age, life gives you music. That's it.
Speaker 3: If you haven't lived, what do you talk about? Yeah,
Speaker 3: talk about pain. You don't go pain when you're twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one, you know. Now you know I'm a model,
Speaker 3: you know, moddel sixty six. I'm straight up.
Speaker 4: I was like, as a dad, you must be awesome.
Speaker 4: We're dealing with bullies and whatnot, because it's like kids,
Speaker 4: like if anybody knows how to deal.
Speaker 3: With this, Yeah, but none of that is happening. You know.
Speaker 3: We do it up that we're lucky. We're lucky where
Speaker 3: we are. And as a matter of fact, for me,
Speaker 3: not that I have my little ones looking up to daddy.
Speaker 3: I gotta walk that straight line, you know. But for
Speaker 3: a long time I didn't have children. I always wanted
Speaker 3: to have a family because I didn't have my family
Speaker 3: was broken. So I thought, if I have children, one
Speaker 3: day I'm gonna do it right, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: able to live like relives that what I missed on.
Speaker 3: And that's why now when I create and I have
Speaker 3: much but children around, man, the intent behind everything I
Speaker 3: do is love. It's love for my children, it's love
Speaker 3: for the world. I love people in general. And the
Speaker 3: first songs that I started translating about Marley's song, so
Speaker 3: about Marley is my my number one? My two go
Speaker 3: had dictionary the lyrics, the liner notes the credits who
Speaker 3: played what? Because I come from that. I come from
Speaker 3: reading the information in the records? Who played what? You know?
Speaker 4: Have you been to the island?
Speaker 3: Never one?
Speaker 4: You need to touch that fan?
Speaker 5: How do you see yourself explaining to your children when
Speaker 5: they google you one day, like, what's the life lesson that?
Speaker 5: When they see like you're this unbelievable career that you've
Speaker 5: had and the ups and down, the ebbs and flows
Speaker 5: of it, is it just is it just a story
Speaker 5: of perseverance. I feel like it's so much more. You know,
Speaker 5: after watching that documentary, you know.
Speaker 3: What I did, and I did it for my for
Speaker 3: my I did It's It's funny how things happen in life.
Speaker 3: But during COVID, my fans were like trying to reach out,
Speaker 3: and I was like, how am I going to stay
Speaker 3: in touch with the people? You know? And then certainly
Speaker 3: the question keep asking keep coming, like hey, how do
Speaker 3: you stay fit? How do you stay positive? I know
Speaker 3: you went through hell, but I'm looking at you now
Speaker 3: you're good. And I was like, yeah, that's right. Maybe
Speaker 3: I should share because my partner is a health coach,
Speaker 3: and I'm not doing that on my own. You know,
Speaker 3: I have someone that that you know. Of course, my
Speaker 3: manager before that you know, helped me go with that mountain.
Speaker 3: But when I came to Europe, you know, and I
Speaker 3: met my partner and you know, she's a health coach,
Speaker 3: and she helped me also deal with like some things
Speaker 3: that I was dealing with and the health and the
Speaker 3: eating abbit and realizing that, you know, health is really
Speaker 3: the number one that's what you got to focus on.
Speaker 3: So during COVID, people were asking me about explaining what
Speaker 3: I believe in, like how does health play into my recovery?
Speaker 3: And then because the questions were really good because I
Speaker 3: used to do this Q and A called FABS Fundly
Speaker 3: blog and I did about seventy episode from an hour
Speaker 3: to an hour forty minutes just answering questions. Then I said,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna create. I'm going
Speaker 3: to write down my system because I have a system,
Speaker 3: but I never give it a name. So it's called
Speaker 3: fab Millie, so because my my family is involved, so
Speaker 3: it's fab fab million M I L L Y. And
Speaker 3: then what I did, I created fourteen icons. I'm born
Speaker 3: on the fourteenth, so I created fourteen icons that I drew,
Speaker 3: and then I went to the list perseverance, you know, love, health, breathing,
Speaker 3: and I took the time to write everything very specifically,
Speaker 3: so if you go to family dot com, it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: take this, it might help you out. And that's that's
Speaker 3: But I did that for my children because I did
Speaker 3: it with them. And as I was drawing the stuff,
Speaker 3: I would ask my son, my oldest because we go
Speaker 3: from ten and seven and two. I said, what's that?
Speaker 3: And it was like and he would call out everything.
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, because I had this thing, and I
Speaker 3: believe in the here and the now that you can
Speaker 3: affect the future by being here now, so the present
Speaker 3: even in the present, So I create this, you know,
Speaker 3: the icon in Google when you I'm here, h And
Speaker 3: then my son is like, yeah, now I'm here now,
Speaker 3: you know, And it would always kind of get very
Speaker 3: close and love, love is a is a key and
Speaker 3: then he said yeah, love is the key in my head.
Speaker 3: I said love, you know, and the key to unlook
Speaker 3: club And he said love is the key and I
Speaker 3: was like, wow, man. So when children we when we
Speaker 3: think we raise children, they raise us to turn into
Speaker 3: whatever we're supposed to become. They make us better. We
Speaker 3: raise them too, but then I have to return the
Speaker 3: favor when they make me better. So all this, you know,
Speaker 3: that's why I talk a lot about love. And as
Speaker 3: a kid, sociology was some very interesting subject, how society
Speaker 3: evolves humanity. And I read George Orwell at a young
Speaker 3: age and now you see where we are. It's like damn,
Speaker 3: we're going there, like wow, well it's changing. You know.
Speaker 3: Now we've got AI for we got eminem you know,
Speaker 3: but it's not a mainem you say AI, Like what right?
Speaker 3: You know? I mean? Now they know people went on strike,
Speaker 3: the writers. Finally it's over, but they were fighting because
Speaker 3: you know there was some you know, AI was coming
Speaker 3: was going to come over, and there you know, if
Speaker 3: you allow that to happen, it's over. So I would say,
Speaker 3: you know, people have gotten if you look, if you
Speaker 3: look at the arts where it's music, and especially music,
Speaker 3: because I remember, you know, watching Frank Sinatra Franklin. I
Speaker 3: realized that when they will go to the studio, they
Speaker 3: sing once or twice. And then when I would go
Speaker 3: to the studio, thence I realized, like, oh, I don't worry,
Speaker 3: We're gonna fly it. Like right, yeah, we're gonna fly it,
Speaker 3: you know. So you know, so now when you listen
Speaker 3: to songs, you do your verse, and the verse could
Speaker 3: be cut up in so many pieces, and then you
Speaker 3: fly the chorus, then you fly the chorus again. It's
Speaker 3: so no wonder people get tired of those songs because
Speaker 3: there's nothing. So I try to prod myself in trying
Speaker 3: to sing one of the harmonies in the second verse
Speaker 3: a little different, little different timber, so that when you listen,
Speaker 3: at least I put the intent behind it, and maybe
Speaker 3: they will read it. They'll have antennas, are going to say,
Speaker 3: oh I like it, And maybe the spirit doesn't shut
Speaker 3: down the minute you hear the second chorus, because you
Speaker 3: heard the first one is the exact same of the
Speaker 3: second one. You know, so that that the world has changed,
Speaker 3: you know, and I have a.
Speaker 2: Lot of insight. Man, this is this is important. I
Speaker 2: don't think I've heard an in depth interview about you
Speaker 2: because normally people are just so help and on you know,
Speaker 2: just like two or three particular years in your life
Speaker 2: and you know, really don't get into that. But it's
Speaker 2: it's really enlightening to hear you say that.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, you amuse you know, I followed you,
Speaker 3: and you know I've I've heard what you guys did
Speaker 3: and what you did for others. You know, they didn't
Speaker 3: do only you, you did others, and it was always
Speaker 3: mentioned like, oh so you guys are the standard, you know,
Speaker 3: and for me, like coming here, I know that I
Speaker 3: can have this type of conversation. Some I'm not interested,
Speaker 3: not of what I'm talking about right now because it's
Speaker 3: not relevant to them. They don't get it. So finally
Speaker 3: I'm here sitting with you, and I can I can
Speaker 3: explain kind of my journey because people don't know me
Speaker 3: as a producer as a songwriter, but they're about to do,
Speaker 3: you know. But it's it's it's a process and I'm
Speaker 3: sitting on a lot of music, lots of music because
Speaker 3: I never stopped. And when I heard Pharrell and when
Speaker 3: interviews say don't stop, don't stop, don't stop making whether
Speaker 3: or not you sign or nuts sign you in the box,
Speaker 3: they want so that one right, and I heard it,
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, right, And now today with the podcast,
Speaker 3: you know, I also listened to Rick Rubin very closely,
Speaker 3: and it's also you know, of course the track record,
Speaker 3: you know, and his approach is very interesting, how you've
Speaker 3: used music and how you should go into it. And
Speaker 3: when I listened to all those things, I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna write path. You know, I'm gonna write up.
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking when I do.
Speaker 2: I just make I just I just make so for you,
Speaker 2: I've not soured your relationship with music at all, Like
Speaker 2: this hasn't none of none of that you went through
Speaker 2: has soured you in your passion of music.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: You know why because I music was, like I said,
Speaker 3: my mother, my father, my best friend, confident. Because when
Speaker 3: every time I put music on, man, I'm good. Whether
Speaker 3: I put Bob Morley, James Brown, Mike with Jackson, Charlie Wilson,
Speaker 3: all those guys. You know, it elevated me. So I
Speaker 3: have to listen to the science and be like, yo,
Speaker 3: that's what that makes me. That's going to carry my
Speaker 3: whole life. If I do anything else that I don't like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be miserable. So I gotta just face the music.
Speaker 3: Hang with music. I don't know what's gonna happen. But
Speaker 3: I read this thing where they say uncertainty is the
Speaker 3: photo ground for creativity and and and and that is
Speaker 3: really relevant because when I listen to the Masters, you know,
Speaker 3: like quinnc saying like, yeah, accidents are necessary m in
Speaker 3: a track. Yeah, but also but also in life, you know,
Speaker 3: falling is good and if you recover, it's gonna teach
Speaker 3: you something. It's gonna make you grow into something that
Speaker 3: you would have never become if you didn't fall. So
Speaker 3: for me, I embraised this whole thing. And I and
Speaker 3: I said, I forgive Frank Farner because Frank Faron if
Speaker 3: I would have stayed because that and that's that's what
Speaker 3: I think Rob didn't do. He couldn't, you know, But
Speaker 3: I forgive. I had to forgive, you know, I had
Speaker 3: to forgive this man. I had to forgive myself as well.
Speaker 3: I had to do that because if I didn't, I
Speaker 3: be going in circle like hating myself. And it's about
Speaker 3: your self esteem. If your self esteem is affected, man,
Speaker 3: you're done. But I was lucky because as a kid,
Speaker 3: I went to a psychiatrist my parents were divorcing, and
Speaker 3: then allowed me to express myself and he told me,
Speaker 3: go ahead and draw your emotions. So I painted too,
Speaker 3: and when I was trying to recover fully, I would draw.
Speaker 3: So on the road I noticed that things were not right,
Speaker 3: so I would draw, and I have all of them.
Speaker 3: It's like five pieces of little papers. But in those drawings,
Speaker 3: I would speak what I felt, and then I would
Speaker 3: go back to my room and I would think. I
Speaker 3: was like, man, I'm I'll get out of there. I
Speaker 3: have no clue, but I know I have to get
Speaker 3: out of the wise. My dream was to become a
Speaker 3: single song. That was it. That's what I want to do.
Speaker 3: But taking that route, like, how do I go back
Speaker 3: the other way and have people say it's okay? Bro?
Speaker 3: I didn't know where you would it would lead me.
Speaker 3: But I know that my love for music, the love
Speaker 3: for myself, we take me places. And then I would
Speaker 3: have to just go and and you know, but I
Speaker 3: believe in a higher power, the power of divine energy,
Speaker 3: that that is there and that nothing is an accident,
Speaker 3: like everything is meant to happen for a certain reason.
Speaker 3: For one reason or another, You're meant to go to
Speaker 3: go through what you go through.
Speaker 4: So you think this movie will be the thing to
Speaker 4: get the rest of the world caught up to where
Speaker 4: you are. Because I felt that. I felt like after
Speaker 4: watching this, I wanted to say like, I'm sorry and
Speaker 4: all the things that I laughter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a patient man, you know, And I know
Speaker 3: that it's going to go in installment because for me
Speaker 3: three years, I've been putting all my creativity in separate
Speaker 3: boxes because I do different things. So I know that,
Speaker 3: like my mom used to say, it's things as it's
Speaker 3: turn So you know, I gotta stay healthy. I got
Speaker 3: to make sure that the realisticity of my brain is correct,
Speaker 3: and I'll be able to work forever if that works,
Speaker 3: if everything, if everything works, nothing hurts, I'm good. So
Speaker 3: that means I'll be able to do what I keep doing.
Speaker 3: I know pop music, being on stages, yon in sport,
Speaker 3: I know that, but it's one of the reasons why
Speaker 3: I kept me young. Because I'm on stage. I perform
Speaker 3: those songs I do with the band, I do seventy
Speaker 3: five minutes. With tape shows, I do forty forty five minutes,
Speaker 3: and oftentimes there's no dancers. It's just me.
Speaker 4: Well we have any of your original music, because I
Speaker 4: know you ended with you singing you know the hit.
Speaker 3: But I'm doing something right now because I'm working know
Speaker 3: something right now that's gonna m I don't want to
Speaker 3: talk about it right now, but I'm doing something that's
Speaker 3: gonna to close the circle. I'm sure. I'm sure West
Speaker 3: understand what I'm saying by closing the circle. I'm doing
Speaker 3: this and I'm trying to find the right home, the
Speaker 3: right label as well, you know, so I got to
Speaker 3: make the right moves us.
Speaker 2: That's what's up. That's what's up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true any way, many ways to go about it,
Speaker 3: you know. But I know I got some I got
Speaker 3: some good stuff. I know it because every time I
Speaker 3: played for for Peers, they look at they don't look
Speaker 3: at me the same like.
Speaker 4: Okay, good because that's important as time y'all didn't do
Speaker 4: this the last time.
Speaker 2: This is that's that's important.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's important, Okay.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just want to say, man, like, I
Speaker 2: really appreciate you, uh one, taking time out not only
Speaker 2: to share your story, but just to basically I'm glad
Speaker 2: that all of this wasn't done in vain, especially for
Speaker 2: your your your partner Rob, Like, I'm glad you survived
Speaker 2: this and really got to tell the story, and you
Speaker 2: know it really just got the message out there, like
Speaker 2: the importance of your health and forgiveness and loving yourself
Speaker 2: and and raising your family. I just think that's beautiful. Man.
Speaker 2: You know, I can't wait for the world to see
Speaker 2: this documentary and and yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Just wanted to say this. I don't think that anybody
Speaker 4: has said anything about this as far as his documentary.
Speaker 4: I wanted to say John David's name again, you said
Speaker 4: his name. I know he's passed, but I also wanted
Speaker 4: to say Charles shaw name. And I wanted to say
Speaker 4: that one thing that I'm that I noticed in this
Speaker 4: story was a deep colorism situation and about the beauties
Speaker 4: of blackness. And I just got to say to those brothers,
Speaker 4: like much respect and love to y'all. Y'all are beautiful men.
Speaker 4: Like I just I couldn't get that out of my head.
Speaker 4: They were such the opposite of what you guys looked like,
Speaker 4: and it was it was hurtful that this white man
Speaker 4: decided that that was the beauty that he wanted to
Speaker 4: put on display because it was closer to his own
Speaker 4: face exactly.
Speaker 3: But you know what he did too, He played us
Speaker 3: all and you know they have this divide and conquerors,
Speaker 3: so in order to make sure that we'll move accordingly,
Speaker 3: he kept us support right. Yeah, we didn't know, you know.
Speaker 3: And as a matter of fact, like when in the
Speaker 3: documentary when Charles Shaw supposedly went to told someone and
Speaker 3: Frank called him to the studio and said, you know,
Speaker 3: you out and this guy he got his money that
Speaker 3: someone has been generating. I don't know how much I
Speaker 3: do get nothing.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: So you know, my and I feel for him because
Speaker 3: you know, I feel and I see it in his eyes,
Speaker 3: and I know I'm going to talk to him at
Speaker 3: some point, you know, because he's in Europe. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's being kind of crazy. And with this documentary it's
Speaker 3: been also very good for everyone to do it therapeutic
Speaker 3: because we realize it healing. And you played a soul
Speaker 3: against each other. Oh my god. And then of course
Speaker 3: Charles Shaw. You know, some people went out to the
Speaker 3: present said, man, those guys didn't saying I understand now,
Speaker 3: but back then I took it like yo, you no,
Speaker 3: you know, but it was just trying. It was a
Speaker 3: cry for help, you know, because nobody would listen to him.
Speaker 2: I didn't know how much i'd sugar. That's the thing, like,
Speaker 2: I want to ask so much about the documentary, but
Speaker 2: what I don't want to do is spoiler alerted. Yeah
Speaker 2: before that's why. But yeah, it was it's important to
Speaker 2: ask that question.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you so much for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I'm so glad that I was able to
Speaker 3: come here, you know, and that you you provided the platform,
Speaker 3: but also to to just ask me, because you know,
Speaker 3: it's about asking. When you ask the right question, when
Speaker 3: someone asked you the right question, then it allows you
Speaker 3: in your space for you to just like, okay, show yourself, right,
Speaker 3: you know, and and in time, you know, you're not
Speaker 3: allowed to. It's very difficult to get a chance to
Speaker 3: go show yourself. And then your show is a place
Speaker 3: where people go to because they know that Ah, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna see him. That's that you know, you go here
Speaker 3: to hear him, to see him for real. Because we
Speaker 3: know you're gonna go in, You're gonna ask questions. You
Speaker 3: got to answer those questions. And because.
Speaker 4: That's a circle back and because we care, Yeah, we
Speaker 4: definitely care.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Thank you brother. I appreciate on be having fan Ticclo
Speaker 2: and uh sick Steve and m pay Bill and like
Speaker 2: Ia and man. Thank you for Breze for for doing
Speaker 2: this with us. Please see that Milli Vanilli why documentary?
Speaker 2: I believe it's one Paramount Plus, is it not? It
Speaker 2: will be on Paramount Plus streaming here in the States worldwide.
Speaker 2: I'm certain that it's streaming somewhere. But thank you very
Speaker 2: much for doing this and we'll see you on the
Speaker 2: next go round of Quest Love Suprema Peace.
Speaker 4: Hey, thank y'all for listening to Quest Love Supreme. This
Speaker 4: podcast is hosted by an Afro, a mount, a rapper,
Speaker 4: an engineer, and a man with too many jobs aka
Speaker 4: a mere quest Love Thompson. Why are you a Saint?
Speaker 4: Clair Fonte, Coleman, Sugar, Steve Mandel, and unpaid Bill Sherman.
Speaker 4: The executive producers who get paid the Big Bucks, a
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Speaker 4: them for Money. Produced by the people who do all
Speaker 4: the real work Ritney Benjamin, Jake Payne and Yes, Why
Speaker 4: You in Saint Clair? Edited by another person who does
Speaker 4: the real work, Alex Conroy and those who approved the
Speaker 4: real work. Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown and Mike Johnson.
Speaker 4: Thanks yaw.
Speaker 2: Quest.
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