WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Fab Morvan of Milli Vanilli 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:14.760 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.440 I'm quest Love your host. I got to remind myself 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:23.000 that we're now also not just a radio podcast, that 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:28.040 we are a visual podcast on our YouTube channel. I 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:33.120 should pluck it more. Yeah. So I'm in my red room, februm. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.040 We're here with the team Supreme right now. Six Steve, 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.520 what's up man? How are you doing, amir? How's how's 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.560 it feeling to be back at work? It feels really good. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.519 I missed my fallin family and very excited. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.600 About the five star review that we got in downbeatfore 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.360 the Plumb bodrights Man. And we did it. We did 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.680 be magazine for the Plumb album. Yes, absolutely, I'm walking 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.040 on air. Nice Laya. How goes it? 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.640 It is going well, friend, I am excited about this conversations. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.240 Are you you recovered from our la assault? 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.840 Yes, I'm just recovering from your depart suriously. Yeah. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:13.360 Yeah, it took a while. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.640 Right, Yeah, I'm glad I wasn't alone with that. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.720 I'm paid Bill. What's up man, how's life on the street. 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.479 Life on the street is good? I got back from our 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.240 trip to l A. I was home for a day 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.360 and I went to Spain and Portugal for a week. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.360 So I'm a little like for you, what's what's what's 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.880 going on? I haven't been on vacation in like a year. 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.360 For those who have children, you take vocations. I do, 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.760 but once a year. And so I went to Spain 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.560 Portugal and I sat on a chair and I drank 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:40.880 and ate and it. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.600 Was fantastic, and I recommend Portugal. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.600 It's beautiful. And now back I got back yesterday taking 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.600 a break. Font Takeolo is recovering from his wait is 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.680 it Charlotte or where do they do? 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:53.600 Baby? 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:54.040 Door? 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:54.720 Baby? 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:59.280 Yeah? Okay, y'all block party, I know virtually. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.320 Well, let's get to it. This is pretty much an 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:06.200 episode I've been waiting for a long time to do. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.120 We always said we shad this guest on our show, 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.880 but I didn't think it could ever happen. As half 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.040 of a Mammoth Mammoth duo, our guest Today sort of 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.040 came crashing into our lives in late nineteen eighty eight 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.919 with an unescapable single entitled girl you Know It's True. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.720 Soon after that, four other Mammoth singles, all went to 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:34.200 the top of the charts, millions of hit singles, millions 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.280 of hit albums later, you know, him and his partner 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.400 basically ruled nineteen eighty nine with an iron fist, pretty 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.919 much rode their success all the way to the bank. Subsequently, 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:50.880 they were hit with probably one of the craziest music 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.360 scandals that rocked an entire industry, which is kind of 0:02:55.400 --> 0:03:01.080 ironic considering in hindsight some thirty five years later they 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.079 were actually pioneers and pretty much how the music industry 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:10.040 is today. Like you know, I know that oftentimes, especially 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.240 in the last ten years, there's been you hear this 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.639 word called fake outrage. We heard a lot of politics, 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.080 but you know, haven't been alive during that period. The 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:27.400 sort of shocking scandal of what this gentleman has went through. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.240 It's pretty much the standard norm now, matter of fact, 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.520 it's it's it is the norm. So you know, so 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.240 many people no even with I mean, you know, the 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.560 number one number one activities TikTok like you know what 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:45.720 I mean. Like, so we basically gravitate and participate in 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.760 the practice that some thirty five years ago we were 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.360 like aghast and sort of shocked to do and now 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.640 you know it's the standard, and so it's kind of 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.800 weird how you can be in a scandal one second 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.840 and sort of a martyr minute. But you know, I 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.760 will basically say that our guests literally face the music 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.880 and really work to ship the narrative, especially after losing 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.840 his partner Rob Palaitis and now thirty five years later, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.000 after a girl. You know it's true, he's getting to 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.839 tell his story, tell his truth and really getting the 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:24.760 last word in with a very very powerful documentary simply 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.640 titled Milli Vanilli. It'll be it on a paramount plus 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.159 a mind blown you know, thank god that we get 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:37.200 to say welcome to the Quest of Supreme, Sir fab Marvin, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.440 thank you very joining us today. Man, how you doing? 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.640 Pleasure? Man, it's a pleasure to be here. And we 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.080 won't get down. We're going to talk. We're gonna chump 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.360 it up and get into it. And I'm so pleased 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.680 that I know when I've seen your koreer, I've seen 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:57.120 you grow, I've seen you involve, and for you to 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:04.520 first introduction was amazing. You know, ftatless, you're right and 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.400 you're right about what happened thirty five years ago and 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.320 bringing it back fast forward here and it is the norm, 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.200 and it is normal, and nobody is actually flinching to 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:23.240 anything because now everybody's in kuts. Everybody's working together and 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.560 it's all about I get it's a music industry. It's 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.960 about that paper, but it's become and turned into like, wow, 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:37.039 the veil, the magical veil is like shifted. You don't 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:42.160 know until it's time to really do it right. And 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.160 that's where it comes down to. If you can do it, 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.720 do it. If you can't and don't try to, they 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.800 won't find you out. Well. 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.039 You know, now we're in a place where as I 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.440 spoke to Steve earlier about being back to work, I 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:00.560 mean right now we're about to go a step past that. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:07.120 Not even three months ago, someone had admitted or enlisted 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:11.359 for consideration of a Grammy. A weekend in Drake song 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.960 that doesn't exist, So you know, the first AI song 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.520 is about to get now. And what's really crazy is 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:21.919 can I say it? I think I like that AI 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.440 song better than any song on the current Drake record 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.240 right now. But that's also because you know, there's a 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.960 certain texture that I like the music that that that 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.120 particular AI song with Drake and Weekend is that isn't 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.440 on the Drake record. But I have so many questions 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.960 to ask. Number one, So you grew up where you 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:40.720 in France? 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.839 Or yeah, I grew up in Paris, in the center 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.520 of Paris in the twentieth part. That's where I grew up, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.880 and that was my playground, you know, just beginning and 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.400 come from a creole household. Okay, So we grew up 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.600 with all kinds of music, you know, so summer and 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.800 gay and then my dad was playing what He's reading 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:04.919 and James Brown, my mom was playing Maria Kallis in 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.560 some classical music. It was always kind of a popoi 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.280 at home musically. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.600 I'm curious. Well, the thing that I was really curious 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:17.480 about was I always wanted to know, especially this being 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:22.280 the fiftieth anniversary of hip hop culture, I want to know, you, 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.280 being sort of the first generation of European people to 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.560 receive hip hop from the States as it's coming in 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.760 the eighties, how did that get translated to you or 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.920 how did that come over to France and to Germany 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.080 to all those parts of Europe. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.720 Well, it came as in different forms. You know, we 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:44.440 all know, you know that hip hop is graffiti. You know, 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:49.480 it's the art of poetry, and it's street dancing and 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.960 it's the rap and all started to appear in various 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.800 parts of Paris. So you had the graffiti. You started 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.120 to appear. Of course, because we had the movies. You know, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:05.480 we had Crush Grooving. That movie got over there, and 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.160 we were trying and emulate everything, and like, okay, so 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:12.040 you got graffiti, you have the dancing, you have pop clock, 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.760 you got the floor as well, and then you got 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.000 you got the DJ that's doing the blog party and 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.080 we're all looking at it. You're like wow. And some 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:26.560 people were migrating tours what they felt like Okay, that's 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:31.120 me or that's me, and some people, you know, went 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.840 everywhere and experimented. And if you go if you look 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.000 at the effect of hip hop throughout the world, you 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.400 will see that there's a dance scene of graffiti. There's 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.680 still like the forefathers of you know, like crazy legs. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.680 You have the Italian crazy legs, you have the German 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.439 crazy legs. So hip hop just spread out to us 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.160 like crazy. And for me being a black kid, you know, 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.679 and the majority of hip hop at the time, it 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.680 was it looked brown and dark and it looked like me. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.960 So it was like, oh, okay, so that's that's you know, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.160 I was connecting with it. In America. I'd be in 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:15.760 the land of opportunity and like Hollywood and you know, entertainment, 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.720 so we would really focus on what was going on 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.559 and that was for the youth that was my youth. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.360 Was it was it sort of like I mean, was 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.160 it mainstream as in like these movies are in the 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.439 theater or was it contraband because you know, the short 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.440 time that I lived, the short time that I lived 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.600 in Europe during like the roots formative years, like our 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.680 first three years, we were in Europe a lot, and 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.480 you know the way that they would collect you know, 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.640 there was always like a friend or a cousin in 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.920 the United States that would send tapes over, you know, 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.640 of radio shows and whatnot, and movies were hard to 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.280 come by, like you need to be connected to someone 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.839 that could send you these things or whatever. So how 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:08.520 would you guys get the music and the culture if 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.840 it's not like done firsthand? Like I know that at 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.000 least the way the stories explained in the movie that 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:20.360 both you and Rob were, you know, kind of sort 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:24.600 of lone wolves and basically like lone black people singular 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:31.120 black people and otherwise like non black environment. So how 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.160 are you guys able to receive this information? 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.120 Well, as a kid in France was very difficult to 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.840 get it. But when I moved to Germany, I was 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.400 taken to I lived in different places, but I went 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.360 to those clubs, and those clubs were full of American 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:55.200 gis because the American bases were based in Germany. So 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.760 I end going to like those clubs where you know, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:04.480 they were doing the you know, the press man they had, 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.040 they d had the quiet gloves and they would do 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.800 people would get on the floor and like you know, 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.480 it was like for us, it was like for rob 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.320 and I was like whoa, it was like being in 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.320 America because there's nothing but America in the club. So 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.040 from there, we we got a lot there in Germany, 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.280 but in France you really had to look forward. You 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.400 had to go to record store. I didn't have the money, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.800 so maybe we put our money together. We get the records, 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.559 we get the sets, but to get the videos that 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.000 was another mission because at that time, there was no 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.440 MTV during that time, early on it was it was 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.560 not MTV wasn't there yet. 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.760 How did you know what the look was that went 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.200 with the music. 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:49.000 There was always some reports about America. You have to 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.760 get to look for it. There was some music report 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.160 and remember seeing the Furious five, you know, with the 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.400 hats and the outfit, and I was like, whoa, that 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.440 looked hard, but you know, we were tracking acted by 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.040 it because they look like us. To me, they look 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:07.360 like And then Jackson five came into the fold, you know, 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.040 and that was a different form, you know, and then 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.679 earth Fire, and then of course the Godfather James Brown, 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.760 and I had a tape I had recorded on television 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.720 of James Brown explaining how we made music and how 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.880 those dances, how we made those dances and they were 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.360 connected to certain grooves, and how we worked with the 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.000 band and that was really really interesting, but it was 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.160 difficult to understand. So I always had to get a dictionary. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.040 It would take me a long time to figure it 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.359 all out, but I would figure it out. 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.640 What was the scene like for Americans to come over 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.440 and tour? Like how often would you see shows or 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:46.840 artists of that caliber? 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.320 Well, you know, I used to when we were in 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.640 p Ice, you know, in Munich, Germany, a lot of 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.680 bands came through, so I saw Charlie Wilson, the Gap Band, 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:04.640 for example. And then it's funny because we years later, 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.600 we ended up meeting each other a few times. So 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.720 that was someone that I was exposed to the music 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:16.000 and it was very, very very powerful. Whitney Houston Prince 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.960 Prince came two or three times and we were invited 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.160 to go and see the show. You know, it was 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.000 only got sent Rom and that was amazing because we 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.719 saw him in the big stadium. And then he used 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.480 to do those small shows and I got a chance 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:32.959 to see. 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.400 A few of those after shows, okay after. 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.400 Shows, and you were close in the front, and that 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.920 was just that was some crazy stuff to be able 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:44.960 to watch it from very close like that. 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:50.600 Could you tell our audience how you first connected and 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:52.720 met your partner Rob. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.880 Yeah. The first time we met when when I got 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.080 to Munich, I didn't know nobody and I was there 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.840 with a couple of friends. But the first time, I uh, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.520 it was a few times. But the first time where 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.480 I noticed that it was very competitive between each other 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.800 was at a university show and it was breakdancing on stage. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.600 I had met him short, I had met him shortly 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:20.360 before that, and he came across kind of arrogance and 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.920 I knew why because we were on this turf and 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.920 it was like, who was a black those black guys 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.160 because there were there were no black guys in Munich 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.680 at the time. So it was like, Okay, this dude 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.280 is coming too my turf. And that night I heard 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.720 about the party where he was going to be performing, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.200 and we were invited by this dance school that I 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:43.520 was that I ended up working for eventually, and he 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.720 did his thing on the floor and rocked it. And 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:51.000 then at the end of this this this thing, this 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.160 discography on the floor, he stood up and just pointed 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.840 straight at me and I was like, oh, man, I 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.520 might do straight, Like what do you want to fight something? 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:00.720 Some the way? 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.400 It was, yeah, can I ask you? Because something is 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.880 lost in the fact that you are a man from 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.000 Paris and you moved to Munich. How did you didn't 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:11.840 maneuver and why would you decide to go somewhere where 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.680 you know the language and don't know it at all? 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.080 Well what happened was I studied German for one year 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.280 in school, but I love language. It's always been very 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.720 good with God. So I had that. And then when 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.040 I went to Germany's because some of my friends were 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:31.080 dancing and were teaching in Germany. So they were like, hey, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:32.600 you want you should come down. You know you're going 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.840 to make some money. I was like, really cool, because 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.360 before you had the Dutch mark, you had the guilders, 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.800 you had the French francs, but the Dutch mark was 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:44.640 always it was always, it was always strongled. So when 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.040 they told me, yo, you want to go over there, 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.040 I was like, yeah, I experienced something else. So I 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:53.720 went over there and I studied, I started teaching, and 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.000 then I was like, you know what, I want to 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.800 travel Paris Is. Paris been a little place where I 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.640 was really truly happy and there was with a group 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.080 of people that I was having fun with. And when 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.800 I when when I turned eighteen, I was like I'm out. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.480 And then because I was, I was of age, you know, 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.200 I was, I was no longer in mind and I 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.400 could travel by myself. I was. I made some mistakes. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.400 I ended up on the street, you know, no money, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.080 having to call mommy and I agage send some money, 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.080 all proud, but then I had to call her and 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.200 I stayed and I kept going to the library to 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.320 learn the language, to teach myself, and eventually people didn't 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.440 know that I spoke. So when it was stomp to 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.160 negotiate for the dance shows, I could hear people talking. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.280 I mean they were still so disrespectful, you know, it 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.320 was like, well, you know, and then I would you know, 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:53.000 I would yeah, I would be like hey, huh good. 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:58.000 So so that was a real learning curve because I 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.760 was a shy kid, and so you had to like 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.200 kind of put my chest up and kind of say 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.200 my piece, and that was very difficult. But when I 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.840 met Rob, who was my older brother, then he was 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.080 taken on the slack. He was like he spoke the 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.960 language and knew the people, and it became a little easier. 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.359 But Rob was gangster. He was like, ooh, my dude, 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:21.000 didn't care. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.600 Wow. When you were younger, even before you went to Germany, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:29.159 like what did your parents do, what was like your 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.760 home situation like, and what was it that you wanted 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.240 to do when you got older? When you were when 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.320 you were a kid like eight, nine, ten eleven. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.800 You know, growing up growing up in parents, my parents 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.719 being Caribbean and Creole, we used to go on vacation 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:47.520 every other year back to the roots and no point attended. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:52.119 And my my my grandfather was an accordion on his 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.720 player and during the summer it was Carnival, so he 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.160 would play those shows. So I would go and see 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.680 the shows. He would be doing soloing and I was 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:06.880 like wow. And certainly my parents returning to children, there 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.720 was that that wall between parents and children would disappear 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:15.480 because of music. And I noticed that really quickly and 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:16.920 I was like, oh, man, I want to get down 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.520 with that. That's what I want to do. My mom 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:26.439 was like what island from welp and French at the end. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.840 And my dad is from another island called the Saints, 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.600 and my grandfather came from off the coast. There's some 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.800 cluster of island off the coast of Calcutta, India, and they 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:41.639 migrated to the Caribbean. So you know, so when you create, 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.400 you know, it's like you put everything in the park. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.720 That's why my brother's got green eyes and he's three 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:47.560 shades lighter. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:52.000 And night, including you, because I feel like this is 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:59.480 you from nineteen eighty eight talking like yeah, you're still 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:05.199 to say, it's still like you're in your twenties. I 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:05.920 need your secret. 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.760 Music is a secret, you know, really and really loving 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.240 yourself and surrounding yourself from good people and loving what 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.040 you do and trying to steep as well as you 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:20.280 can working out eating. Well, there's basics, you know, the basics, 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.119 but if you practice, you know, and with with with time, 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.679 now we've learned about intermediate fasting. We know more about 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.160 you know, because of the Internet. We we've now been 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.359 able to grab onto the stuff, the knowledge. It's the 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.680 age of information. So you can if you want to 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.640 learn how to play an NPC, if you school you too, 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.200 that's all and you're going to figure it out. 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:41.959 That's it. 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.040 You can figure out anything software. You want to paint 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.200 your house, you want to make a table, you go 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:49.399 to figure out. We didn't have that. So when it 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.840 came to playing instruments or you know, I remember I 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.480 had an NPC, the manual was so thick. I was like, man, 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.600 I tried to play with that thing, but it was 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:01.479 discouraging because I could only play corners the machine. And 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.600 that's now what they got. They got everything nice, Like 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.640 if you want to do something, you can do it now. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.480 You know, to drive. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.679 The first show that you I guess became a professional 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.000 that dance show. Can you describe what that show was 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.639 like or what the name of that show was? 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.479 Oh man, So that was I was doing that in 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:33.119 my French counterparts. We came from Paris with that was 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.719 first and they were professional dancers and I was just 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.399 new to the group. So they had certain types of 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:45.280 giographies that we rehearsed all the time, and one of 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:49.280 them was a slow motion like it was like a 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:51.679 like a race and Olympic a race in The music 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:57.040 was from Evangelists. I don't know if you go Evangelists. 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.520 He did the music for a blade runner. He did 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:00.840 this sound trifle. 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:06.879 Baby Yeah angelic and we would start in slow motion 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:11.320 and then it would go into uh, like a boxing 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:13.480 match because we were doing sports, and we would do 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.760 soccer all in slow motion, and then it would go 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:20.600 to I think muscle from Donna Ross and there it 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.840 was kind of like you know, in Box of shorts. 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:25.479 We ended up in the box of shorts, and then 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.760 we would go into this you know, motion and carography 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.800 and dance and and it would be done at summer 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.480 and so on. We picked the music that we felt 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.800 like felt good, and I would finish with Michael Jackson 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.120 really because I had I had a Jay car at 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:44.840 the time, you know, I said, so we put the 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.639 product in the hair, and I would I would go 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.360 back and change, put my my pants, put the socks 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.359 on the shoes, and it would be Billy Jean. You know. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.680 Of course, you know, everybody was a fan, and I 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.520 was a big fan too, So I thought, yeah, maybe 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:03.720 we should add that at the end to just create 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.760 like climax. And then just like James Brown, at the 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.120 end of my performance, one of the guys would come 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.200 and put a cape over my back and I would 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.280 leave the stage, you know, because I had seen James 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:20.359 Brown do that, I was like, oh, that's cool, that's crazy. 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.879 So can you explain the process, Like, how do you 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:29.520 guys meet the attention of Frank Farrion? I guess for 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:33.400 our listeners who might not be aware of Frank Farrian 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:38.679 impresario kind of what you would say, I guess a 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:42.280 manager or a producer who kind of brought forth to 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:48.320 world acts like meat Loaf, not to mention Bony m 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:53.080 as well, well, he did the like I know, it 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.119 took meat Loaf like twelve thirteen years to make a 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.919 follow up to bat out of Hell. So I know 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:04.480 that who produced the first one. Steve Todd Rundgren produced 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.000