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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: I'm quest Love your host. I got to remind myself

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Speaker 2: that we're now also not just a radio podcast, that

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Speaker 2: we are a visual podcast on our YouTube channel. I

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Speaker 2: should pluck it more. Yeah. So I'm in my red room, februm.

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Speaker 2: We're here with the team Supreme right now. Six Steve,

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Speaker 2: what's up man? How are you doing, amir? How's how's

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Speaker 2: it feeling to be back at work? It feels really good.

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Speaker 3: I missed my fallin family and very excited.

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Speaker 2: About the five star review that we got in downbeatfore

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Speaker 2: the Plumb bodrights Man. And we did it. We did

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Speaker 2: be magazine for the Plumb album. Yes, absolutely, I'm walking

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Speaker 2: on air. Nice Laya. How goes it?

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Speaker 4: It is going well, friend, I am excited about this conversations.

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Speaker 2: Are you you recovered from our la assault?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm just recovering from your depart suriously. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it took a while.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'm glad I wasn't alone with that.

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Speaker 2: I'm paid Bill. What's up man, how's life on the street.

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Speaker 2: Life on the street is good? I got back from our

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Speaker 2: trip to l A. I was home for a day

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Speaker 2: and I went to Spain and Portugal for a week.

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Speaker 2: So I'm a little like for you, what's what's what's

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Speaker 2: going on? I haven't been on vacation in like a year.

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Speaker 2: For those who have children, you take vocations. I do,

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Speaker 2: but once a year. And so I went to Spain

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Speaker 2: Portugal and I sat on a chair and I drank

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Speaker 2: and ate and it.

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Speaker 5: Was fantastic, and I recommend Portugal.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. And now back I got back yesterday taking

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Speaker 2: a break. Font Takeolo is recovering from his wait is

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Speaker 2: it Charlotte or where do they do?

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Speaker 6: Baby?

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Speaker 4: Door?

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Speaker 2: Baby?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay, y'all block party, I know virtually.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get to it. This is pretty much an

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Speaker 2: episode I've been waiting for a long time to do.

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Speaker 2: We always said we shad this guest on our show,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't think it could ever happen. As half

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Speaker 2: of a Mammoth Mammoth duo, our guest Today sort of

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Speaker 2: came crashing into our lives in late nineteen eighty eight

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Speaker 2: with an unescapable single entitled girl you Know It's True.

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Speaker 2: Soon after that, four other Mammoth singles, all went to

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Speaker 2: the top of the charts, millions of hit singles, millions

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Speaker 2: of hit albums later, you know, him and his partner

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Speaker 2: basically ruled nineteen eighty nine with an iron fist, pretty

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Speaker 2: much rode their success all the way to the bank. Subsequently,

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Speaker 2: they were hit with probably one of the craziest music

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Speaker 2: scandals that rocked an entire industry, which is kind of

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Speaker 2: ironic considering in hindsight some thirty five years later they

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Speaker 2: were actually pioneers and pretty much how the music industry

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Speaker 2: is today. Like you know, I know that oftentimes, especially

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Speaker 2: in the last ten years, there's been you hear this

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Speaker 2: word called fake outrage. We heard a lot of politics,

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Speaker 2: but you know, haven't been alive during that period. The

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Speaker 2: sort of shocking scandal of what this gentleman has went through.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty much the standard norm now, matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: it's it's it is the norm. So you know, so

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Speaker 2: many people no even with I mean, you know, the

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Speaker 2: number one number one activities TikTok like you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. Like, so we basically gravitate and participate in

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Speaker 2: the practice that some thirty five years ago we were

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Speaker 2: you know it's the standard, and so it's kind of

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Speaker 2: weird how you can be in a scandal one second

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Speaker 2: and sort of a martyr minute. But you know, I

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Speaker 2: will basically say that our guests literally face the music

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Speaker 2: and really work to ship the narrative, especially after losing

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Speaker 2: his partner Rob Palaitis and now thirty five years later,

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Speaker 2: after a girl. You know it's true, he's getting to

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Speaker 2: tell his story, tell his truth and really getting the

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Speaker 2: last word in with a very very powerful documentary simply

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Speaker 2: titled Milli Vanilli. It'll be it on a paramount plus

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Speaker 2: a mind blown you know, thank god that we get

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Speaker 2: to say welcome to the Quest of Supreme, Sir fab Marvin,

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Speaker 2: thank you very joining us today. Man, how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Pleasure? Man, it's a pleasure to be here. And we

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Speaker 3: won't get down. We're going to talk. We're gonna chump

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Speaker 3: it up and get into it. And I'm so pleased

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Speaker 3: that I know when I've seen your koreer, I've seen

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Speaker 3: you grow, I've seen you involve, and for you to

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Speaker 3: first introduction was amazing. You know, ftatless, you're right and

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Speaker 3: you're right about what happened thirty five years ago and

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Speaker 3: anything because now everybody's in kuts. Everybody's working together and

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Speaker 3: it's all about I get it's a music industry. It's

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Speaker 3: about that paper, but it's become and turned into like, wow,

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Speaker 3: the veil, the magical veil is like shifted. You don't

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Speaker 3: know until it's time to really do it right. And

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Speaker 3: that's where it comes down to. If you can do it,

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Speaker 3: do it. If you can't and don't try to, they

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Speaker 3: won't find you out. Well.

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Speaker 2: You know, now we're in a place where as I

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Speaker 2: spoke to Steve earlier about being back to work, I

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Speaker 2: mean right now we're about to go a step past that.

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Speaker 2: Not even three months ago, someone had admitted or enlisted

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Speaker 2: for consideration of a Grammy. A weekend in Drake song

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Speaker 2: that doesn't exist, So you know, the first AI song

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Speaker 2: is about to get now. And what's really crazy is

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Speaker 2: can I say it? I think I like that AI

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Speaker 2: song better than any song on the current Drake record

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Speaker 2: right now. But that's also because you know, there's a

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Speaker 2: certain texture that I like the music that that that

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Speaker 2: particular AI song with Drake and Weekend is that isn't

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Speaker 2: on the Drake record. But I have so many questions

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Speaker 2: to ask. Number one, So you grew up where you

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Speaker 3: come from a creole household. Okay, So we grew up

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Speaker 3: with all kinds of music, you know, so summer and

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Speaker 2: I'm curious. Well, the thing that I was really curious

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Speaker 2: the fiftieth anniversary of hip hop culture, I want to know, you,

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Speaker 2: how did that come over to France and to Germany

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Speaker 3: Well, it came as in different forms. You know, we

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Speaker 2: Was it was it sort of like I mean, was

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Speaker 3: Well, as a kid in France was very difficult to

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Speaker 3: we get the sets, but to get the videos that

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Speaker 4: How did you know what the look was that went

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Speaker 3: There was always some reports about America. You have to

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Speaker 3: and remember seeing the Furious five, you know, with the

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Speaker 2: And night, including you, because I feel like this is

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Speaker 3: Music is a secret, you know, really and really loving

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 3: You can figure out anything software. You want to paint

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Speaker 3: Well, how we met is because we used to play

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Speaker 3: Maybe you can hook us up. And we started to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh our listen and base wouldn't know that as

435
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: the rocket in the pocket breakbeat that most hip hopthes

436
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 2: spun in the seventies. But yes, from France, that's right.

437
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: And that was like, you know, I used to listen

438
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 3: to and I was listening to a bunch of out

439
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: there stuff. But then Bonniem came around. I was like, oh,

440
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: that's cool too. So when when Rob told me, hey,

441
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 3: that's Frank Farn, that's Frank Finer producer, I was like, Okay,

442
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: I don't know who he is, you know, you know

443
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 3: Bonny m and I remember going to parties with the

444
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: kids and Boniem was playing, but I was more into

445
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 3: disco summer and that. But then when he told me

446
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: how big this guy was, I was like, wow, let's go.

447
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 3: Then let's go, and we ended up going to the

448
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: studio and that studio. You know, I watched a lot

449
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 3: of doc as a kid about music. And when we

450
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: got into the studio, it looked just like the studios

451
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: from America. It was it was there was consoles, it

452
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: was it was like the real like our boy gear,

453
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 3: like in the square, the whole wall, and it was

454
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: four rooms like that. There was no one. There was

455
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 3: four SSL NI console, best micro for everything and in

456
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: every room it was at least five people working. So

457
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: it was like a factory. So we went in there

458
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: and then to top it off, you get all the

459
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: gold records on the wall. So we young naive, didn't

460
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: know anything and never signed any contracts before, don't have

461
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: a manager and an attorney, nothing, no, no experience with

462
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: in that regards. So going in there was like man,

463
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 3: we made it like we were the right home, you know.

464
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: So we met Frank and we had a conversation about

465
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: music is assistant slash slash slash And because I said

466
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: slash slash slash, because she was. She was handling the business.

467
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: She was the she was the she was the charmer.

468
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: You know, she was like you know, she she would

469
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: like you know many blind used parking speak in a

470
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: very soft voice, and you know he trusted her. Frank

471
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: would never be in a room too long. We speak

472
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: with you, then you'd be out and then she take over.

473
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say hi so shortly that we

474
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 3: never really had big contact with him, but he said hi.

475
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: Was this is the head. Yeah, young lady that's in

476
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: the doctor.

477
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: What's her name?

478
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

479
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: And great Yeah, yeah, Angrid. Yeah.

480
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: She would do the stuff. She organized everything.

481
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wanted to know just the kind of basis

482
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: of operations, like, so, what do they explaining to you

483
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: at the time that you know, you guys have a look,

484
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: we could make you guys the big stars, Like oh, like,

485
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: are they telling you at this moment we can sell

486
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: trillions of records or are they just basically saying like, look,

487
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: let's just make a hit single and see what happens.

488
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: No, it was none of that, as because you know

489
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: now inside twenty twenty. The first meeting we had was

490
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: to look what we look like, because they heard about us,

491
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: what they look like, what are they about? You know,

492
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 3: So we just spoke about music, you know, and like

493
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: I said, Frank was there very shortly, so it was

494
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: more in contact with Ingrid and we just talked about

495
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: our dreams and what we would do. We were we're

496
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: the same, you know, just like a regular artist who

497
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: gets an opportunity, so you try to sell yourself. You're like, yeah,

498
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: you know, you know, we really want to work with you.

499
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: We say, we performed, you know, Rob played played guitar

500
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: with some basic blues chords, and we would try to

501
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: write all the time, you know. So we talked about

502
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: you know, the fact that yeah, Rob played guitar very well,

503
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: but we said he played guitar, we sing harmonies together.

504
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: You know. It was not that long. They were busy.

505
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: Said okay, it was a pleasure to meet you. But

506
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: what was cool is they pay for the rental cars.

507
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh nice, you know, so you know,

508
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: we met to spend any money to get there, so

509
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: that that was cool. So even the meeting was short,

510
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: We're like, okay, so we'll call you, We keep in touch.

511
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: We got the numbers, you know, and like you know,

512
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: and this we were told they talked to Ingrid, she's

513
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: the one to talk to. But Frank, no access anytime.

514
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: Did anybody comment on your actual singing voices? That's what

515
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: I was wondering, is y'all were going through this part

516
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: of the process.

517
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it was just the first meeting. Then

518
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: after that, through the months, we you know, we were like, okay,

519
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: we're going to get in business with this dude. We

520
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: know we got money. We were doing you know, we

521
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: were performing, but it was not bringing the money. So

522
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: we were like, okay, since we know we're gonna work

523
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: with them, maybe we should call them and ask for

524
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit of money, like you know.

525
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: And they were always very nice and say, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

526
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: here's some money. We didn't know that that money wasn't free,

527
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: so we kept calling, We kept calling, we kept getting

528
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: because we had to pay our rents, you know, hook

529
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: up that hair, you know, eat, the basics being that much.

530
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: So then finally we were able to come to the studio,

531
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: you know, and first it played us first of all,

532
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: before doing all that we'd signed a contract because we

533
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: came a few times in between and we signed a

534
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: recording contract. So that's why the money that we have

535
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: been we've been receiving, you know, prior was becoming Okay,

536
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: it's official, signed the contract. There is no no manager, no,

537
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: you know, no attorney. And today was a talking to

538
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: someone and it just popped on my head that we

539
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: were given the last two pages of the contract. We

540
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: were never given the contract like, hey, here's the contract,

541
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: go check it out like this. No, they gave us

542
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: the last two pages. I didn't stan that contract was

543
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: in German, so we had to so, hey, here it is.

544
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: The money was there. It's like yo, cash, he's on

545
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: the table. I won't get We're gonna some paper. So

546
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: we just signed. That's just like that. So we thought like, man,

547
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: it's cool. And then after that we kept asking for

548
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: some money because it took so long in order to

549
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: get to the studio. Until we got to the studio,

550
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: and then I didn't know much about because the studio

551
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: that we worked at they used to have like task them.

552
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: They they didn't have like the knees with the tapes.

553
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: When we come to the studio, all the tape hanging

554
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: on the wall. It was like, oh, oh is that.

555
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: It was like like, oh yes, because you know we

556
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: know where everything is. Oh cool. But when they played

557
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: the track, I'm sure they mute the vocals because the

558
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: vocals everything was.

559
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 4: So y'all sang these songs. Oh God, y'all sang these songs.

560
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no. Listen. The songs were the recorded

561
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: The singers were already on the because they were recording

562
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: music ahead of time. So if I would have known

563
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: about how as to your works it picks to your works,

564
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: it could have seen like, oh, lead vocals, backgrounds, here, harmonies.

565
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: I didn't know. So when we came to the studio,

566
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: they just they did what they did. I'm sure they muted.

567
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: Andy said, hey, it's track, and then it was just instrumental.

568
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so wa I didn't play the vocal Okay, I

569
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: get it now.

570
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah no. So but that track was banging. I mean

571
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: you had like you know, you had the main that

572
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: was plaw. It's like for us, you know, when you're young,

573
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: your imagination runs wild. So we saw ourselves like on

574
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: stage and doing this thing. Robbays looking at me like

575
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 3: we were smiling, like he was like, yo, we're good.

576
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: But we never talked until this point. Nobody came no

577
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: vocal coach because you know, everybody wants to vocal coach.

578
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you know a lot of people were I

579
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: didn't know that. But there's a coach, there's a songwriter,

580
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: there's and you take people even though they don't have

581
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: the talent at that moment, they got a little son something.

582
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: Some people invest and they believe in them, and then

583
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: after an album of two like yo, they're good, they're

584
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: pretty sweet. But it was none of that because the

585
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: only thing that was interested in from the beginning was

586
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: to use the visuals. That's all because he did it

587
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: with Bunny him they may explained Frank Fyon sang the

588
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: vocal of Bobby Firell got.

589
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: The blind from Yeah, I did not know that.

590
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: So Frank did the vocals for Bobby Farrell and that's

591
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 3: where he found his formula, Like, oh that works. Also,

592
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: the one thing I heard was that, and you know, Frank,

593
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: it was an artist was trying to make it and

594
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: the music that he was making. The label were like, hey,

595
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: now he can make black music, you're white. And you

596
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: know what happened? Like so as an artist. He was like, oh,

597
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: so I can't do black music because I'm white, all right, Dan,

598
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: so figured you figured it out. He got his formula,

599
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 3: you got the girls, he got the guy, and then

600
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: he did the vocals from the guy. And then he

601
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: kept working and kept working. He kept working. Then years

602
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: past and moving and it comes around, well he can't

603
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: do that. So what he's gonna do. He's gonna go

604
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: get people that he works with in his studio, have

605
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: them come at night military operation. We are in Munich.

606
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: We don't know nothing. They got the guys. But the

607
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: thing is they were already looking, they were preparing us

608
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: stuff in advance. We just came into the foe. We

609
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 3: just fell into the trap, not knowing that the sole

610
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: thing they were willing to they wanted to use was

611
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: the face. So singing was that never came into play.

612
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: So when we heard the track and we were smiling,

613
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: then he took us through another room and then he

614
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: kind of put it on us and he started talking

615
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: to Rob in German. Because through the years I was

616
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: more like an after the fact, I was never I

617
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 3: guess I never was really truly respected.

618
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: I never felt you didn't have the green ass.

619
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was missing something. So it was always

620
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: they were talking to him and they would relate everything

621
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: to me, and he would then you relate everything to me,

622
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: and he was getting pissed. Rubb was like a firecracker,

623
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: so I could see him like, oh, my dude's getting mad, Like, yo,

624
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: we were feeling good a second ago. You messed it

625
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 3: all up. I'm thinking you said something wrong and we

626
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: lose We lost that thing. The dude walked away pissed,

627
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: pissed because we didn't want to do it, and Rubb

628
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: was like, no, we're not doing that. So Rubb was

629
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: already saying we're not doing that. But then you know Ingrid,

630
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: like that, the voice of reason comes, like I think

631
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: it's in Mogli. You know, there's the I think it's

632
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: a snake in Mogli that comes in like.

633
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: M sweet talk.

634
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: And makes you look at reality. Hey, you got some money,

635
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: you know?

636
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 4: Hey, But fab in retrospect, when you look at Ingrid

637
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 4: and Washington's documentary and knowing the history of like where

638
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 4: Rob comes from as an orphan, adopted child and all that,

639
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 4: don't you think she fed right in to all of that,

640
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 4: like she became this also kind of like she said

641
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 4: in the documentary. Yeah, but she said we loved each

642
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 4: other with no sex, so not even just a mother.

643
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 4: It's a little sicker than that, a mirror because she

644
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 4: like mother. But but he hot though, you know, but

645
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 4: we not. It was.

646
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: Listen, I don't be I when I saw that, I

647
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: was like, it made me feel weird because I know

648
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: Rubb was gangster, and let me tell you, Rubb was.

649
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: It was always gangster. But when with the drugs it

650
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: became he switched, it was not the same person that

651
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: I knew. And then it was about it became by him,

652
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 3: you know, because it became you know, he became an addict,

653
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: so then it was not the same dude that I

654
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: grew up with who had my back and all that.

655
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 3: So maybe it was just you know, taking care of

656
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: you know, of.

657
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 4: So many words for this in twenty twenty three, with

658
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 4: the traumas and knowing like a little bit of a

659
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: round history and it was inevitable if it wasn't nurtured correctly, that.

660
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 3: He had a baby, he had a big void, you know.

661
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 3: And obviously when you go into entertainment like like I did,

662
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: and it was you know, you want to be loved

663
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: and what you don't get that stuff at home, You're

664
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: going to go and get it like in another way.

665
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: And when people say, oh I love you, Oh you're

666
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: the best, you know, and that when we got that,

667
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: that's part of the seduction because we did that for

668
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: a single. And then obviously we sunned and a contract

669
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 3: for five albums, which we didn't understand that concept because

670
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: we never seen a contract. We just know. We just

671
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 3: thought it was two pages, but it was a full,

672
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: full on contract. Your clauses and you know and all that.

673
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: Can you explain the basis of how you guys came

674
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: to the name Milli Vanilli.

675
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: Okay, so the name Millie anally was. You know, there

676
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: was a group called Pretty Polity that was from London

677
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: and we loved we loved their sounds and we loved

678
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: the way it rolled on the tongue was pretty Polity.

679
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: That's cool. So we're trying to find something. So we

680
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 3: and then we were thinking, okay, ice cream, dark dude,

681
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: live dude, like ice cream. It was kind of cheap,

682
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 3: didn't dark and we like, oh, nearly's cool, Million's dope.

683
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: And then somehow this ingriaged little name was Milli. And

684
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: then when we how we mixed it all up and

685
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: it was like MILLI van nearly and then it had

686
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: this ring to it. It had Italian, it kind of

687
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 3: sang and it's tough. It was like and people always

688
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 3: ask are you million? Are you nearly?

689
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I initially thought that one was million, one was vadilli.

690
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, that's right, and and that's how

691
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: it came about, you know, like that, and we just

692
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: rolle it. And then what happened was we did as

693
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 3: first trial. I'll tell you like, because I'm sure you're

694
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: gonna ask me the question like, so how did you

695
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: who picked what and why? Because you know, obviously we

696
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: didn't sing on the record, so it's like, why did

697
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: you pick that? And what did you pick that? Well?

698
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 3: Truth and matter is that Rob was like, I ain't

699
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: trying to do much, so oh Rob.

700
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: It's smart. Was the video the first thing that you

701
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: guys did as the unit, No.

702
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: No, no, first it was we did first we did

703
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: a I think it was a trialout and we went

704
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: to a radio station that was regional and we did

705
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: this thing and there was no talk of video. And

706
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: then that that thing that we did at a TV

707
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: studio basic after picking up the parts. That thing kind

708
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: of it went like wildfire into region and that's when

709
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: Frank was like, well and we got something there, you know.

710
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: And then they started to like test the record and

711
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 3: play the record in the clubs, in black clubs in

712
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: Frankfurt and in the club called Funkadelic where Frank used

713
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: to go in with the vinyl because he had a

714
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: Furman No, I forgot the name of that, that vinyl

715
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: machine where you can print vinyl. Yeah, he had one

716
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: of them. Yeah, and then we test press, go to

717
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: the club and we'd come back and be like so

718
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: then when when you had it right and funk the

719
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: lick was mostly dark skinned people mostly, so it's all Americans,

720
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: and you know, like he was like, yo, I got it,

721
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 3: I got it. But you know that was done by

722
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: new marks, you know, right, that was a cover so

723
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: it was not too difficult to like, Okay, you already

724
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: have something that is obviously great. But he blew it up.

725
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: You know, he had a bigger, better equipment, but it

726
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: kind of duplicated it actually what it was. But I

727
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: can't take take it away from him. That first she

728
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 3: had the instinctive pick that one or somebody else picked

729
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: it and brought it to him.

730
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So at what point do you realize, like,

731
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: oh shit, this is going to be major Because even then,

732
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: like you guys weren't on Aris director yets in the States,

733
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: Like oh no, it started out as an ndie labeled

734
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: thing and sort of just rose its way up to

735
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: the top. At what point do you realize, like, oh god,

736
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 2: this is going to be something?

737
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: Well, it was we were we were living at a

738
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: friend's house, you know. We it was like a very

739
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 3: small apartment, and they had the showco Formula one form

740
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: the lines and then it was a Saturday because on

741
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: Saturday the Charles would come up and we were there

742
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: just watching it and here we were. It was like

743
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: and we used to watch the shows regularly, you know,

744
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 3: like and we used to dance behind some of the

745
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: people that used to perform on that show as backup dancers.

746
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: And then there we look at the TV. We hear

747
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: a song. We were like, oh my god. We started

748
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: breaking stuff in that apartment through excitement. It was like

749
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: it was like hearing your song for the first time

750
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: on the radio. It was the snippets, but we were

751
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: in the charts because they were playing the chorus of

752
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: each song from the bottom, like the entry. So I

753
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: think they were doing the top twenty and I think

754
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: we were. We were number twenty there. But then it

755
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: went we went quick, like super quick, and then it

756
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: started to get organized and we had to be that

757
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: we were sent on the road. And then there was

758
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: like suddenly we had in grid around and there was

759
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: a car, there was car service, then there was hotel,

760
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 3: and it was planes.

761
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 4: And then it was like, okay, are you curious about

762
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 4: the actual voices that are you're hearing? Like do you

763
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: ever wonder who is? It?

764
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: Always always curious. As a matter of fact, I ended

765
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 3: up working the past seven years. Six years. I worked

766
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: with John Davies who passed away. Okay, that's cool, you know, Yes,

767
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: we were on the road. I've been on the road.

768
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: I performed the songs with the band without the band tape.

769
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 3: You know, I've been doing that for years.

770
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: It's super common now, Like right now, I'm a shit.

771
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: I just came from a Duran Durant show and I

772
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: swear to god, there were at least eight MacBook pros

773
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: with like at least five terrorbyte hard drives backstage. So

774
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: what was the technology like back then, because in my

775
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: mind I didn't start seeing at least like the blatant

776
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: technology at least until the early aughts like ninety eight,

777
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: ninety nine, two thousand, where there's pro tools and that

778
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: sort of thing. So what was what was the process

779
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: like and preparing for performances back then?

780
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: Well, the process is what happened was we got the

781
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: tapes because we did one hundred and seven cities shows

782
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: in eight months. So the process is we got the

783
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 3: twenty four track tapes, went to the studio and then

784
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: the engineer, music supervisors were in the room and then

785
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: they say, okay, we need this, we need this, we

786
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: need this, and then they transferred that to a fair light.

787
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 3: Oh okay, we went through a fair light. But before

788
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: that we went into I think it was for the

789
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: MTV tour, we did I think an Oberheim, like the

790
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 3: big Oberheim.

791
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: And then the so everything goes in the keyboard.

792
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything goes in a keyboard.

793
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: So is it triggered or is it like to the

794
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: point where because the thing is, I don't know if

795
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: back in eighty nine to ninety if there's in ears

796
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: where you hear or the count off and all those things.

797
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: Now the count off was like it was a drummer

798
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: count off was drummer dark, dark dark, and then.

799
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: And they would just have to play to.

800
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: The tape. They played the tape even the band. The

801
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: band was playing, you know, but we knew that. We

802
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: knew that after like a couple of bars, like okay,

803
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: let's it. So it was rehearsed as well. So a

804
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: lot of work went went into it. You know. It

805
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: was because it had to be seamless in order to

806
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 3: be believable, you know. And I just loved the process

807
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: of creating the show. We we created the visuals, we

808
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: you know, we the band. We even added sections because

809
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: we thought because we listened to everything when you came

810
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: when we came into our room before a show, it

811
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: was from a CDC to get band to Cooling the Gang,

812
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: to the Beatles to led Zeppelin into sex pistols. It

813
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: was everything. Because in Europe the charts was you know,

814
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: everything went into the same charts. There was no separation.

815
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: So I remember we added a van Halen solo in

816
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: the middle of So we would come up with those

817
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: ideas like for example, I had simple because I had

818
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: a Chai. I had a small Achai nine hundred yeah,

819
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 3: there was the end of nine hundred, there was a thousand,

820
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 3: and then he went up and I would I would

821
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: watch movies in l A and I we're like, oh,

822
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: I saw Ben Her and Ben Her at the yeah,

823
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: and I said, told the musical director listen, I want

824
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: to I want to start the show with this. And

825
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 3: I was like, are you sure, said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

826
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure. And I was a fan of classical music.

827
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: So when we did the first time, man, it was

828
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: like it was like the arena and the crowd went crazy,

829
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, we're keeping that because it didn't.

830
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: They were like, are you sure, I can't. We're sure.

831
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: We put the bills here. You know, we're the boss,

832
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: so just trust and then it worked. So we would

833
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 3: add little things to make the show, make the show better,

834
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: because that's how we could really affect because the vocals

835
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: were like that was like glop.

836
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I remember, so I used

837
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: to religiously record every award show and every just basic

838
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: music television show. I mean, now, of course, you know,

839
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: with what we have now, you can just go on

840
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: YouTube and see stuff. But I'd religiously record these things.

841
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: And what I remember most about the Grammy performance was

842
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: like the first four bars, you guys, actually the drums

843
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: were straight out of Compton, And I remember I was like, yo,

844
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: like you know, I'm in back then when I was

845
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: seventeen years old and when Gary Sandling's like, ladies don't

846
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: know and I'm here in the opening tracks straight out

847
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: of Compton, Like I remember, me and my cousins were

848
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 2: like super high, like what's going on there? Like y'all,

849
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: y'all came out with this sonic It was like a

850
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: sonic assault. And every performance I saw you guys do

851
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: it was like your life depended on it. Like I've

852
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: never seen two hyper people in my life, like really

853
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: really sell this problem.

854
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: So for me and listen, listen to n w A

855
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: as well all day.

856
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 4: Oh that's true.

857
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And but Sonny Cleeton had so much powers that

858
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: we were like, yo, we're trying to make our show

859
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: as strong as possible. So that's my simple thing was cool,

860
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: you know, so if we could hear something that would

861
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: help us, you know, stimulate the crowd, something that was familiar, man,

862
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: we take that. You know. It was just like you know,

863
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, back in the day, we

864
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: will we were going to go into engineering school. But

865
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: we had to pay We had to pay something, and

866
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: that money went somewhere else. But we could have gone

867
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 3: to engineering school while money ran out.

868
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: By the time that at least in America we get

869
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: uh the album. I mean, the thing is that many

870
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: people don't know is that around the world the album

871
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: was all or nothing. Yeah, and I you know, I

872
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: guess for America, I didn't even know. It's so crazy

873
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: that I had no clue that Diane Warren wrote, uh

874
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 2: wrote blame it on the rain. So yeah, I was

875
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: curious as did did Kevin not want to participate in

876
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: the document?

877
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, you know politics mine, That's so like, that's

878
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 3: all I can think of. You know, it must there

879
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: must have been some political thing that played to because

880
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: why not Kevin? You know, as a matter of fact,

881
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 3: Bill Petuwez says.

882
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: High, why did you feel that now was the time

883
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: to tell the story? How long was the process? And

884
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: to you make a miss project?

885
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: No, you had nothing to do with the time. Is

886
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: just the wrong people came by always it was always

887
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 3: the wrong one. Their approach was like it was like

888
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: sensationalizing the thing and almost like fictional like nah, and

889
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: you could tell, like, because I'm pretty good at engaging people,

890
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 3: you know, my manager Kimalo as well, And every time

891
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: we set it with people, you felt like it wasn't kosher,

892
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: it wasn't good. It was like, nah, man, they just

893
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: see it's a great story and they want to be

894
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: attached to it. But I didn't feel the genuine and

895
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: passion to it.

896
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 4: Were you pitched a lot? Was it a lot of projects?

897
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: How oh man? Through the years. First of all, we

898
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: went through the movie that felt apart. Then it was

899
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 3: all kind of like then it was Brett Ratner who

900
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: was supposed to do our movie, and then because of

901
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 3: what happened to him, I fell apart. And then I

902
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: was getting tired of it. I gave up on the

903
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: idea of doing this, whether it was TV series where

904
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 3: there is documentary, I gave up on it. I said,

905
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 3: I said. My manager said, Kim Marvel, I said, you

906
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: do your thing. I'm going to go to Europe. I

907
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: need to get out of the US and and really

908
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: just go and do you know, like get away, because

909
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 3: if I would have, I don't feel like if I stay,

910
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be right. I don't matter much time.

911
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: So I left, she pursued it. She she she met

912
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: people and then one day she said, listen, I think

913
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 3: we got a live one. And then we met and

914
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: he was this dude. I could feel it was passionate everything,

915
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 3: because you know, I don't usually trust for people's so

916
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 3: I heard, I listened, I say cool, but I felt

917
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: like he was cool. But you never know. But then

918
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: I was told he told me go watch something that

919
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: I did and it's called Delt. It's about a blind magician.

920
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at this thing, not knowing what it

921
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 3: was because he told me, yeah, it's called DELT. So

922
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: I figured it out. I'm watching and in the first

923
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: five minutes, this dude shuffles cards around and I'm like, okay,

924
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 3: and then in one second they go to his face

925
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: and my dude is blind. Wow, a blind magician. And

926
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: then they followed this dude for four years and they

927
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: had to go through a lot of footage and the story.

928
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: The way they weaved the whole story was magnificent. It

929
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: was very subtle, but you could feel each characters. You

930
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: could feel the pain of eating. And I was like, well,

931
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 3: if they were able to do that with with this story,

932
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: And I was looking at my story where it's bang

933
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: bang fireworks bam bam. And I was like, I'd be

934
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: interesting to have to go through the motions and massage

935
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 3: this thing and make because of art. There is an

936
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: art to making a good documentary, but also to report.

937
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: And what they did they did a lot of investigative

938
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: journalists just and they found out stuff that I had

939
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: no idea about. I was like, oh wow, so that's

940
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: why the more we work together, I was like, man,

941
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 3: my dude is passionate, like crazy. He was like he

942
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 3: wanted to get then you get it. And even the

943
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: way he interviewed the record executive, it was just.

944
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: About to say that fab the way that he interviewed

945
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 4: those record executives and made them and asked them, so

946
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 4: why were their names on it when they got to

947
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 4: America but this album before their names weren't on it.

948
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 4: Things make this make sense.

949
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: He worked and he worked, and he could hear it

950
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 3: and tell the ca be cared, and he's genuinely cared.

951
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 3: He understood what happened to us, because when you're bigger

952
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: than life like this, people desensitize to the fact that

953
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 3: no human being he's stop, he's got money, what is

954
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: he care like, man a little, I can make those jokes. Man,

955
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 3: don't stop crying, baby, You're like a baby, you know.

956
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 3: And we were like whoa assaulted verbally so much when

957
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 3: when Rob tried to jump out the window, they make

958
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 3: jokes about it like, oh so cause and effect, Robbing

959
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: the end died of a broken heart. It broke his heart,

960
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 3: like and then he was doing drugs. So on top

961
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: of that, when you're not riding the head like this,

962
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 3: you know, you know, emotionally, your emotional intelligence, if you

963
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 3: ever had some goes out the dough boom, he's gone,

964
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 3: he said. And you'll never come back from that, especially

965
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: if you mess up with your brain, you know. So,

966
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 3: and they were not nice at all. It was so

967
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 3: brutal and me, lucky me, I was like, yo, I'm

968
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: going to give it up. I don't think it's for me.

969
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: It was a social thing. But I could tell if

970
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 3: I would go any further, I would fell off the

971
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 3: edge and to come back from there, you know, because

972
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: I've seen it in La, walking in La, or even

973
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 3: in New York when I lived in New York, like

974
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 3: oh damn. I lived in New York for about a

975
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 3: year a year or so, and I saw people from

976
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: the past, and I was like, dangn I'm like, wow,

977
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 3: don't let this happen to you, you know. So I

978
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 3: took my health very seriously, and actually my doctors told me, listen,

979
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: remember those words. He said, success comes and goes, but

980
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 3: the one thing people remember is your face. If you

981
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: don't look the same, you know, they're gonna look like, oh,

982
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 3: you know, the same Spanish. Poor dude, he's done, it's cooked,

983
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: he's finished. But if you focus on yourself and you

984
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: keep on growing, you might have a chance to kind

985
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: of look like what you look like. And if you

986
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: work on yourself, you might make something out of yourself.

987
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: Because you noticed I was not right, I was doing

988
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: the wrong things. But like he was kind of like

989
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: a father figure, and he tried to talk some sense

990
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 3: into me and saying, hey, you know, you might have

991
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: another shot someday. Don't throw it all out the door.

992
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: Make sure your health is right, you know. And I

993
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: realized that I knew that when you take care of

994
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: your health, well, you know, things are better, Your mind

995
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 3: is better, more clear, right, you know, things are difference

996
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: for you.

997
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: Was there period where you just absolutely positively wanted nothing

998
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: to do the story where like you just went years

999
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: without you know, doing it or I mean, now, it's

1000
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: really great to see you embrace the story.

1001
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: And the reason why I've embraced the story now is

1002
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: because before it was very difficult for me to just

1003
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: because I was so fragile emotionally, and everything said about me.

1004
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: It was like I was being bullied and you know,

1005
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: like all kinds of insult and I was like, wow,

1006
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: it's tough to take. So I told myself, Okay, I'm

1007
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: not gonna go back to Europe. Music is really my love.

1008
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: Music is my friend, my father, my mother, my confident.

1009
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna go and hang out with music,

1010
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: make her proud because music and French music is feminine.

1011
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: It's a woman. I'm gonna work with her. I'm gonna

1012
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: make her proud. I'm gonna keep looking myself and at

1013
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: some point I'm gonna be secure enough to not have

1014
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 3: none of that touch me anymore. But I got to

1015
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 3: do my work. So I went to songwriting, I went

1016
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: to playing guitar, got into producing, and I've been making

1017
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: music ever since. I never stopped, I never stopped creating,

1018
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 3: making making making. People have no idea, but when I'm

1019
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: gonna come. I'm gonna come that door when it opens up,

1020
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: and I'm releasing music. Man, I'm just gonna people are

1021
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 3: gonna be like, oh and nothing and nothing's gonna stop

1022
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 3: me from doing that. And age is nothing but a

1023
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: number because it's all about the work. As a matter

1024
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 3: of fact, when you age, life gives you music. That's it.

1025
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: If you haven't lived, what do you talk about? Yeah,

1026
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 3: talk about pain. You don't go pain when you're twenty

1027
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 3: twenty one, you know. Now you know I'm a model,

1028
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: you know, moddel sixty six. I'm straight up.

1029
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 4: I was like, as a dad, you must be awesome.

1030
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 4: We're dealing with bullies and whatnot, because it's like kids,

1031
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 4: like if anybody knows how to deal.

1032
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 3: With this, Yeah, but none of that is happening. You know.

1033
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: We do it up that we're lucky. We're lucky where

1034
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: we are. And as a matter of fact, for me,

1035
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 3: not that I have my little ones looking up to daddy.

1036
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: I gotta walk that straight line, you know. But for

1037
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 3: a long time I didn't have children. I always wanted

1038
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 3: to have a family because I didn't have my family

1039
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 3: was broken. So I thought, if I have children, one

1040
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: day I'm gonna do it right, and I'm gonna be

1041
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: able to live like relives that what I missed on.

1042
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 3: And that's why now when I create and I have

1043
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: much but children around, man, the intent behind everything I

1044
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 3: do is love. It's love for my children, it's love

1045
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: for the world. I love people in general. And the

1046
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 3: first songs that I started translating about Marley's song, so

1047
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: about Marley is my my number one? My two go

1048
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: had dictionary the lyrics, the liner notes the credits who

1049
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: played what? Because I come from that. I come from

1050
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 3: reading the information in the records? Who played what? You know?

1051
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 4: Have you been to the island?

1052
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: Never one?

1053
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 4: You need to touch that fan?

1054
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 5: How do you see yourself explaining to your children when

1055
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 5: they google you one day, like, what's the life lesson that?

1056
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 5: When they see like you're this unbelievable career that you've

1057
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 5: had and the ups and down, the ebbs and flows

1058
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 5: of it, is it just is it just a story

1059
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 5: of perseverance. I feel like it's so much more. You know,

1060
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 5: after watching that documentary, you know.

1061
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: What I did, and I did it for my for

1062
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: my I did It's It's funny how things happen in life.

1063
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 3: But during COVID, my fans were like trying to reach out,

1064
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: and I was like, how am I going to stay

1065
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 3: in touch with the people? You know? And then certainly

1066
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 3: the question keep asking keep coming, like hey, how do

1067
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 3: you stay fit? How do you stay positive? I know

1068
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: you went through hell, but I'm looking at you now

1069
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: you're good. And I was like, yeah, that's right. Maybe

1070
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: I should share because my partner is a health coach,

1071
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 3: and I'm not doing that on my own. You know,

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Speaker 3: I have someone that that you know. Of course, my

1073
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 3: manager before that you know, helped me go with that mountain.

1074
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 3: But when I came to Europe, you know, and I

1075
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 3: met my partner and you know, she's a health coach,

1076
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 3: and she helped me also deal with like some things

1077
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 3: that I was dealing with and the health and the

1078
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 3: eating abbit and realizing that, you know, health is really

1079
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: the number one that's what you got to focus on.

1080
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: So during COVID, people were asking me about explaining what

1081
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 3: I believe in, like how does health play into my recovery?

1082
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 3: And then because the questions were really good because I

1083
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: used to do this Q and A called FABS Fundly

1084
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: blog and I did about seventy episode from an hour

1085
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: to an hour forty minutes just answering questions. Then I said,

1086
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 3: you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna create. I'm going

1087
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 3: to write down my system because I have a system,

1088
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: but I never give it a name. So it's called

1089
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 3: fab Millie, so because my my family is involved, so

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01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 3: it's fab fab million M I L L Y. And

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01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: then what I did, I created fourteen icons. I'm born

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01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 3: on the fourteenth, so I created fourteen icons that I drew,

1093
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 3: and then I went to the list perseverance, you know, love, health, breathing,

1094
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: and I took the time to write everything very specifically,

1095
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: so if you go to family dot com, it's like, hey,

1096
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 3: take this, it might help you out. And that's that's

1097
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 3: But I did that for my children because I did

1098
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 3: it with them. And as I was drawing the stuff,

1099
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 3: I would ask my son, my oldest because we go

1100
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 3: from ten and seven and two. I said, what's that?

1101
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 3: And it was like and he would call out everything.

1102
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, because I had this thing, and I

1103
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 3: believe in the here and the now that you can

1104
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 3: affect the future by being here now, so the present

1105
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 3: even in the present, So I create this, you know,

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01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 3: the icon in Google when you I'm here, h And

1107
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: then my son is like, yeah, now I'm here now,

1108
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 3: you know, And it would always kind of get very

1109
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 3: close and love, love is a is a key and

1110
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 3: then he said yeah, love is the key in my head.

1111
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: I said love, you know, and the key to unlook

1112
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: club And he said love is the key and I

1113
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 3: was like, wow, man. So when children we when we

1114
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 3: think we raise children, they raise us to turn into

1115
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 3: whatever we're supposed to become. They make us better. We

1116
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 3: raise them too, but then I have to return the

1117
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 3: favor when they make me better. So all this, you know,

1118
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 3: that's why I talk a lot about love. And as

1119
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: a kid, sociology was some very interesting subject, how society

1120
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 3: evolves humanity. And I read George Orwell at a young

1121
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 3: age and now you see where we are. It's like damn,

1122
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 3: we're going there, like wow, well it's changing. You know.

1123
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: Now we've got AI for we got eminem you know,

1124
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 3: but it's not a mainem you say AI, Like what right?

1125
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 3: You know? I mean? Now they know people went on strike,

1126
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 3: the writers. Finally it's over, but they were fighting because

1127
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,479
Speaker 3: you know there was some you know, AI was coming

1128
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 3: was going to come over, and there you know, if

1129
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 3: you allow that to happen, it's over. So I would say,

1130
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 3: you know, people have gotten if you look, if you

1131
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: look at the arts where it's music, and especially music,

1132
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 3: because I remember, you know, watching Frank Sinatra Franklin. I

1133
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 3: realized that when they will go to the studio, they

1134
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 3: sing once or twice. And then when I would go

1135
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 3: to the studio, thence I realized, like, oh, I don't worry,

1136
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna fly it. Like right, yeah, we're gonna fly it,

1137
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 3: you know. So you know, so now when you listen

1138
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 3: to songs, you do your verse, and the verse could

1139
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 3: be cut up in so many pieces, and then you

1140
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 3: fly the chorus, then you fly the chorus again. It's

1141
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 3: so no wonder people get tired of those songs because

1142
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: there's nothing. So I try to prod myself in trying

1143
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 3: to sing one of the harmonies in the second verse

1144
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 3: a little different, little different timber, so that when you listen,

1145
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 3: at least I put the intent behind it, and maybe

1146
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 3: they will read it. They'll have antennas, are going to say,

1147
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 3: oh I like it, And maybe the spirit doesn't shut

1148
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 3: down the minute you hear the second chorus, because you

1149
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 3: heard the first one is the exact same of the

1150
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: second one. You know, so that that the world has changed,

1151
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, and I have a.

1152
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: Lot of insight. Man, this is this is important. I

1153
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 2: don't think I've heard an in depth interview about you

1154
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 2: because normally people are just so help and on you know,

1155
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: just like two or three particular years in your life

1156
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: and you know, really don't get into that. But it's

1157
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: it's really enlightening to hear you say that.

1158
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: But the thing is, you amuse you know, I followed you,

1159
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 3: and you know I've I've heard what you guys did

1160
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 3: and what you did for others. You know, they didn't

1161
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 3: do only you, you did others, and it was always

1162
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 3: mentioned like, oh so you guys are the standard, you know,

1163
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 3: and for me, like coming here, I know that I

1164
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 3: can have this type of conversation. Some I'm not interested,

1165
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: not of what I'm talking about right now because it's

1166
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 3: not relevant to them. They don't get it. So finally

1167
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 3: I'm here sitting with you, and I can I can

1168
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 3: explain kind of my journey because people don't know me

1169
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: as a producer as a songwriter, but they're about to do,

1170
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 3: you know. But it's it's it's a process and I'm

1171
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 3: sitting on a lot of music, lots of music because

1172
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 3: I never stopped. And when I heard Pharrell and when

1173
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 3: interviews say don't stop, don't stop, don't stop making whether

1174
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 3: or not you sign or nuts sign you in the box,

1175
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 3: they want so that one right, and I heard it,

1176
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,839
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, right, And now today with the podcast,

1177
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 3: you know, I also listened to Rick Rubin very closely,

1178
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 3: and it's also you know, of course the track record,

1179
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 3: you know, and his approach is very interesting, how you've

1180
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: used music and how you should go into it. And

1181
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 3: when I listened to all those things, I was like, oh, man,

1182
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 3: I'm gonna write path. You know, I'm gonna write up.

1183
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking when I do.

1184
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 2: I just make I just I just make so for you,

1185
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: I've not soured your relationship with music at all, Like

1186
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 2: this hasn't none of none of that you went through

1187
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: has soured you in your passion of music.

1188
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 4: No.

1189
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 3: You know why because I music was, like I said,

1190
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 3: my mother, my father, my best friend, confident. Because when

1191
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 3: every time I put music on, man, I'm good. Whether

1192
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 3: I put Bob Morley, James Brown, Mike with Jackson, Charlie Wilson,

1193
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: all those guys. You know, it elevated me. So I

1194
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 3: have to listen to the science and be like, yo,

1195
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: that's what that makes me. That's going to carry my

1196
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 3: whole life. If I do anything else that I don't like,

1197
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be miserable. So I gotta just face the music.

1198
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 3: Hang with music. I don't know what's gonna happen. But

1199
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 3: I read this thing where they say uncertainty is the

1200
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 3: photo ground for creativity and and and and that is

1201
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,560
Speaker 3: really relevant because when I listen to the Masters, you know,

1202
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 3: like quinnc saying like, yeah, accidents are necessary m in

1203
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 3: a track. Yeah, but also but also in life, you know,

1204
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 3: falling is good and if you recover, it's gonna teach

1205
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 3: you something. It's gonna make you grow into something that

1206
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 3: you would have never become if you didn't fall. So

1207
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 3: for me, I embraised this whole thing. And I and

1208
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 3: I said, I forgive Frank Farner because Frank Faron if

1209
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 3: I would have stayed because that and that's that's what

1210
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 3: I think Rob didn't do. He couldn't, you know, But

1211
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 3: I forgive. I had to forgive, you know, I had

1212
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 3: to forgive this man. I had to forgive myself as well.

1213
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 3: I had to do that because if I didn't, I

1214
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 3: be going in circle like hating myself. And it's about

1215
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 3: your self esteem. If your self esteem is affected, man,

1216
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 3: you're done. But I was lucky because as a kid,

1217
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 3: I went to a psychiatrist my parents were divorcing, and

1218
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 3: then allowed me to express myself and he told me,

1219
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 3: go ahead and draw your emotions. So I painted too,

1220
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 3: and when I was trying to recover fully, I would draw.

1221
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 3: So on the road I noticed that things were not right,

1222
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 3: so I would draw, and I have all of them.

1223
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 3: It's like five pieces of little papers. But in those drawings,

1224
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 3: I would speak what I felt, and then I would

1225
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 3: go back to my room and I would think. I

1226
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 3: was like, man, I'm I'll get out of there. I

1227
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: have no clue, but I know I have to get

1228
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: out of the wise. My dream was to become a

1229
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 3: single song. That was it. That's what I want to do.

1230
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 3: But taking that route, like, how do I go back

1231
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 3: the other way and have people say it's okay? Bro?

1232
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 3: I didn't know where you would it would lead me.

1233
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 3: But I know that my love for music, the love

1234
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 3: for myself, we take me places. And then I would

1235
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 3: have to just go and and you know, but I

1236
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 3: believe in a higher power, the power of divine energy,

1237
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: that that is there and that nothing is an accident,

1238
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 3: like everything is meant to happen for a certain reason.

1239
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 3: For one reason or another, You're meant to go to

1240
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 3: go through what you go through.

1241
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 4: So you think this movie will be the thing to

1242
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 4: get the rest of the world caught up to where

1243
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 4: you are. Because I felt that. I felt like after

1244
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 4: watching this, I wanted to say like, I'm sorry and

1245
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 4: all the things that I laughter.

1246
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a patient man, you know, And I know

1247
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 3: that it's going to go in installment because for me

1248
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 3: three years, I've been putting all my creativity in separate

1249
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 3: boxes because I do different things. So I know that,

1250
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 3: like my mom used to say, it's things as it's

1251
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 3: turn So you know, I gotta stay healthy. I got

1252
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: to make sure that the realisticity of my brain is correct,

1253
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 3: and I'll be able to work forever if that works,

1254
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 3: if everything, if everything works, nothing hurts, I'm good. So

1255
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 3: that means I'll be able to do what I keep doing.

1256
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 3: I know pop music, being on stages, yon in sport,

1257
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 3: I know that, but it's one of the reasons why

1258
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 3: I kept me young. Because I'm on stage. I perform

1259
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 3: those songs I do with the band, I do seventy

1260
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 3: five minutes. With tape shows, I do forty forty five minutes,

1261
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 3: and oftentimes there's no dancers. It's just me.

1262
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 4: Well we have any of your original music, because I

1263
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 4: know you ended with you singing you know the hit.

1264
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 3: But I'm doing something right now because I'm working know

1265
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 3: something right now that's gonna m I don't want to

1266
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 3: talk about it right now, but I'm doing something that's

1267
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 3: gonna to close the circle. I'm sure. I'm sure West

1268
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 3: understand what I'm saying by closing the circle. I'm doing

1269
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 3: this and I'm trying to find the right home, the

1270
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 3: right label as well, you know, so I got to

1271
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 3: make the right moves us.

1272
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 2: That's what's up. That's what's up.

1273
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true any way, many ways to go about it,

1274
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 3: you know. But I know I got some I got

1275
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 3: some good stuff. I know it because every time I

1276
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 3: played for for Peers, they look at they don't look

1277
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 3: at me the same like.

1278
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 4: Okay, good because that's important as time y'all didn't do

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Speaker 4: this the last time.

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Speaker 2: This is that's that's important.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's important, Okay.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just want to say, man, like, I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate you, uh one, taking time out not only

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01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 2: to share your story, but just to basically I'm glad

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01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 2: that all of this wasn't done in vain, especially for

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01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,839
Speaker 2: your your your partner Rob, Like, I'm glad you survived

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01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 2: this and really got to tell the story, and you

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01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: know it really just got the message out there, like

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Speaker 2: the importance of your health and forgiveness and loving yourself

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Speaker 2: and and raising your family. I just think that's beautiful. Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, I can't wait for the world to see

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01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 2: this documentary and and yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Just wanted to say this. I don't think that anybody

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01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,520
Speaker 4: has said anything about this as far as his documentary.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to say John David's name again, you said

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Speaker 4: his name. I know he's passed, but I also wanted

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Speaker 4: to say Charles shaw name. And I wanted to say

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Speaker 4: that one thing that I'm that I noticed in this

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Speaker 4: story was a deep colorism situation and about the beauties

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Speaker 4: of blackness. And I just got to say to those brothers,

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01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 4: like much respect and love to y'all. Y'all are beautiful men.

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Speaker 4: Like I just I couldn't get that out of my head.

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01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 4: They were such the opposite of what you guys looked like,

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Speaker 4: and it was it was hurtful that this white man

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01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 4: decided that that was the beauty that he wanted to

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01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 4: put on display because it was closer to his own

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01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 4: face exactly.

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Speaker 3: But you know what he did too, He played us

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01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 3: all and you know they have this divide and conquerors,

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Speaker 3: so in order to make sure that we'll move accordingly,

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Speaker 3: he kept us support right. Yeah, we didn't know, you know.

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Speaker 3: And as a matter of fact, like when in the

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Speaker 3: documentary when Charles Shaw supposedly went to told someone and

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Speaker 3: Frank called him to the studio and said, you know,

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Speaker 3: you out and this guy he got his money that

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Speaker 3: someone has been generating. I don't know how much I

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Speaker 3: do get nothing.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: So you know, my and I feel for him because

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Speaker 3: you know, I feel and I see it in his eyes,

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01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 3: and I know I'm going to talk to him at

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Speaker 3: some point, you know, because he's in Europe. But you know,

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01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 3: it's being kind of crazy. And with this documentary it's

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Speaker 3: been also very good for everyone to do it therapeutic

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01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 3: because we realize it healing. And you played a soul

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Speaker 3: against each other. Oh my god. And then of course

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Speaker 3: Charles Shaw. You know, some people went out to the

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Speaker 3: present said, man, those guys didn't saying I understand now,

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01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 3: but back then I took it like yo, you no,

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 3: you know, but it was just trying. It was a

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 3: cry for help, you know, because nobody would listen to him.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how much i'd sugar. That's the thing, like,

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Speaker 2: I want to ask so much about the documentary, but

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Speaker 2: what I don't want to do is spoiler alerted. Yeah

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01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 2: before that's why. But yeah, it was it's important to

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01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 2: ask that question.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you so much for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I'm so glad that I was able to

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01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 3: come here, you know, and that you you provided the platform,

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01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 3: but also to to just ask me, because you know,

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01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 3: it's about asking. When you ask the right question, when

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01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 3: someone asked you the right question, then it allows you

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01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 3: in your space for you to just like, okay, show yourself, right,

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01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 3: you know, and and in time, you know, you're not

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01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 3: allowed to. It's very difficult to get a chance to

1349
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 3: go show yourself. And then your show is a place

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01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 3: where people go to because they know that Ah, I'm

1351
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 3: gonna see him. That's that you know, you go here

1352
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 3: to hear him, to see him for real. Because we

1353
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 3: know you're gonna go in, You're gonna ask questions. You

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01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 3: got to answer those questions. And because.

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Speaker 4: That's a circle back and because we care, Yeah, we

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01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 4: definitely care.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you brother. I appreciate on be having fan Ticclo

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01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: and uh sick Steve and m pay Bill and like

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01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 2: Ia and man. Thank you for Breze for for doing

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01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: this with us. Please see that Milli Vanilli why documentary?

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: I believe it's one Paramount Plus, is it not? It

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 2: will be on Paramount Plus streaming here in the States worldwide.

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01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm certain that it's streaming somewhere. But thank you very

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01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 2: much for doing this and we'll see you on the

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Speaker 2: next go round of Quest Love Suprema Peace.

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