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Speaker 1: This is the best of Newtsworld coming up. My conversation

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Speaker 1: with Micro on this episode of Newtsworld. You know him

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Speaker 1: from his hit Discovery Channel show Dirty Jobs and his

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Speaker 1: podcast The Way I Heard It as a TV host, writer, narrator, producer, actor,

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Speaker 1: and spokesman. His performing career began in nineteen eighty four

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Speaker 1: when he faked his way into the Baltimore Opera to

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Speaker 1: guest today, Micro, a great entertainer and great American. Mike

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Speaker 1: has made a career out of shining a light on

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Speaker 1: the lives and experiences of American laborers. Mike became known

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Speaker 1: as the dirtiest man on TV. He traveled to all

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Speaker 1: fifty states and completed three hundred different jobs, transforming care

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Speaker 1: television into a landscape of swamps, sewers, ice roads, coal mines,

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Speaker 1: he has received both the credit and the blame for

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Speaker 1: Labor Day. We're sharing stories about the skilled workers who've

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Speaker 1: crossed Mike's path, the importance of work, and Row's fascinating life.

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Speaker 2: Nerd it out there everywhere. Just take a look around

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Speaker 2: down the freed or up the stairs or reading underground.

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Speaker 2: You don't need tomorrow Bag, and you don't need Rob.

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Speaker 2: All you got to do is getting yourself at bearded job.

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Speaker 1: I am particularly excited to have somebody who I think

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Speaker 1: has come for many Americans to personify the work ethic,

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Speaker 1: the legitimacy of work, the requirement that we understand how

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Speaker 1: And somebody who's also become in his own right, a

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Speaker 1: household name Mike Rowe. I'm just thrilled that you're with us.

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Speaker 2: Newton, Hello, and thanks, I'm flattered. It's great to talk

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Speaker 2: to you again.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever imagine when you were younger that you

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Speaker 1: would end up doing national television, doing podcasts, writing books,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I hadn't really ruled anything out. I was

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Speaker 2: I grew up surrounded by farmers and tradesmen, and I

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Speaker 2: I thought that is what I would become. I really

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Speaker 2: in no way lined up with my skills. And so,

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Speaker 2: I think I was a lot like those contestants on

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Speaker 2: I took every imaginable course I could, the broadest variety

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Speaker 2: Then I went to work. Then I went to a university,

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Speaker 2: eventually got a degree in communications, and Horace gumped my

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Speaker 2: And I laughed and I said, yeah, that would be great.

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Speaker 2: know how the story ends. But that's how mine began.

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Speaker 1: You originally pitched it as something like somebody's got to

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Speaker 2: That's correct, growing up next to a guy who was heroic,

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Speaker 2: And so on a personal level, I did it too.

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Speaker 2: two of them basically conspired to inspire in me that

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Speaker 2: called Evening Magazine. People were equally horrified and fascinated by

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Speaker 2: my adventures in a sewer, my encounter with a giant rat,

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Speaker 1: your ideas will hold water exactly. Your detour, however, has

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Speaker 1: One is, as I understand it, you had a high

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Speaker 2: I did. I've always believed that the happiest, most prosperous

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Speaker 2: I didn't know any of this. I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: Now, you moved from that kind of barbershop quartet and

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Speaker 2: Alaska and it's crab fishermen. Why don't you go up

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00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: there and work as a greenhorn, work as a host,

432
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: go out on the ships, and let's see if there's

433
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: actually a show up there. And again, this is two

434
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: thousand and four. We don't know what Deadliest Catch is.

435
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Dirty Jobs hasn't really found an audience yet. And I

436
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: went up there and wound up staying for six weeks.

437
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: I worked on a couple of different boats and basically

438
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: did my best Stone Phillips impersonation, doing a kind of

439
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: a documentary, kind of a magazine type series. Look at

440
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: what Derby style crab fishing was in the Bearing Sea,

441
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: and knute what it was was unlike anything I'd ever seen.

442
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: You can't script the Bearing Sea right. It's an utterly

443
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: authentic work environment, terribly dangerous, with men doing a hard

444
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: job under difficult circumstances, some prospering and some dying. I

445
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: went to six funerals in six weeks at the end

446
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: of two thousand and four, early in two thousand and five.

447
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: So when we came back from that trip and we

448
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 2: looked at the footage, it was obvious that there was

449
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: something enormously important going on up there in the way

450
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: of a potential show. But it also became obvious that

451
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, immersing me into work was a good formula.

452
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: So they circled back and looked at Dirty Jobs and said, Okay,

453
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: if we order this and order Deadliest Catch at the

454
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: same time, you can't host both. So to answer your question,

455
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: I chose Dirty Jobs A because it was deeply personal

456
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: and B because my name was in the title, and

457
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: went in doubt picked the show with your name and

458
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: the title. So I opted to run with Dirty Jobs,

459
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: and they invited me to narrate Deadliest Catch, and incredibly,

460
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm driving into San Francisco to narrate the final episode

461
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: of season fifteen of Deadliest Catch, which is still on

462
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: the air. It's truly a phenomenon.

463
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: Then reach out in a philanthropical way, and you create

464
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: a foundation which really is designed to help us remember

465
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: the work matters. Talk some about the Microworks Foundation what

466
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 1: you hope to achieve with it.

467
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: By the middle of two thousand and eight, Dirty Jobs

468
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: was on in two hundred countries. It was the number

469
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: one show on Discovery, and it had launched directly or

470
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: indirectly a couple of dozen other hit shows. I had

471
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: done well as a result, and in the summer of

472
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: that year, July two thousand and eight, the economy was

473
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: starting to teeter, and on the show, you know, I

474
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: always took the crew out for beer afterwards. I always

475
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: invited our hosts to join us, and I always wound

476
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: up having long conversations with small business owners who had

477
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: prospered in this dirty jobs world. And I always ask them,

478
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, the same questions typically, what was their biggest challenge?

479
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: And what I heard from two thousand and five until

480
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight and to this day consistently was

481
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: the biggest challenge was finding people who were enthused and

482
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: willing to learn a skill that was actually in demand

483
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: and then show up and apply a work ethic to

484
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: that skill. A ratio Alger kind of light motif. But

485
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: I heard it over and over again. And when the

486
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: economy tanked in earnest and the unemployment rates were headline

487
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: news every day, seven eight, nine, ten percent, every day,

488
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: I was still hearing from people that their biggest challenge

489
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: was finding qualified workers. And it just seemed like such

490
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: an odd competitive narrative. Some other narrative was going on

491
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: in the country. Nobody was talking about the skills gap.

492
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: Everybody was talking about the number of unemployed people, and

493
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: wherever I went on dirty jobs, I'm still seeing help

494
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: wanted science. So it just seemed like in some way

495
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: we were talking past each other on the national level.

496
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: And at the time, according to the Bureau of Labor

497
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: and Statistics, we had two point three million open positions,

498
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: many of which didn't require a four year degree, they

499
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: required training. So on Labor Day of two thousand and eight,

500
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: I launched Microworks, which began really as a pr campaign

501
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: for those two point three million unwanted jobs that to

502
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: me represented the existence of opportunity at a time when

503
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: we were being told almost across the board that opportunity

504
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: was dead. And at that time I remember shaking my

505
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: head and thinking that we can't really believe the reason

506
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: we have ten million unemployed people is because we don't

507
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: have ten million jobs available. We can't really believe that,

508
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: but of course we do. We think unemployed it can

509
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: be cured by creating more jobs, even as today we

510
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: have seven point three million jobs open. So I was

511
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: just fascinated by the dynamics of the skills gap and

512
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: by the existence slash non existence of opportunity depending on

513
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: how you see it. And I wanted to shine a

514
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: light as best I could on the jobs that really

515
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: and truly existed. That's how it started. What it turned

516
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: into was a scholarship program for the skilled trades. Today,

517
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: we've awarded somewhere between five and six million dollars for

518
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: training for steam fitters, pipefitters, welders, mechanics, heating, air conditioning, electricians, plumbers.

519
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: It is kind of remarkable because the foundation truly is

520
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: the legacy of the show, and the show is really

521
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: a tribute to my grandfather, and the scholarships are proof

522
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: positive that his jobs, the jobs I grew up watching

523
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: him perform, are not only still very much in demand,

524
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: but still offer terrific opportunities for people who really want

525
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: to learn that skill and apply themselves. When you show

526
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: the world a welder who's making one hundred and fifty

527
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and happy, you create in much of the

528
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: country the same kind of cognitive dissonance that we did

529
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: on the show when we portrayed people in a sewer

530
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: covered with the worst muck there is who are prospering

531
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: and understanding their role in the scheme of things is

532
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: in no way minor. That's the goal of the Foundation

533
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: that was the happy unintended consequence of the show.

534
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: And what you're doing really has a moral purpose. And

535
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: I think that's a very important part of the regeneration

536
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: and revival of Americas to recognize that work is a

537
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: moral good and that people should expect to work, and

538
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: that all work as an inherent dignity.

539
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 2: Correct. All narratives need a protagonist and an antagonist, All

540
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: stories need a villain an enemy, and a very popular

541
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: narrative today has cast work as the enemy. The proximate

542
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 2: cause of your unhappiness is the fact that you need

543
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: to work, as opposed to the proximate cause of your

544
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: prosperity is your opportunity to work. That has been a

545
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: seismic shift over the last two generations. And it's understandable.

546
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: It's not rational, but it's not really a mystery. We've

547
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 2: made work the enemy, and once you do that, then

548
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: your arguments are going to be informed by that belief,

549
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: whether you're arguing over the minimum wage or rent control,

550
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: or social security or welfare or any political program. You know,

551
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: you can almost always figure out where somebody's coming from

552
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: by their belief around work, and so you know, to

553
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: answer one of your earlier questions. That's why Dirty Jobs

554
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: worked too. At its core was one of the few

555
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: unifying realities of life, labor, which of course is different

556
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: than work, right, But these two things, the business of

557
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: earning a living, can either be seen through the lens

558
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: of incredible opportunity or through the lens of drudgery and despair.

559
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: So much of what we're teaching our kids to expect

560
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: these are the work lines up on the drudgery and

561
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: despair side. And so when you see a show like

562
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: Dirty Jobs, you see people laboring hard and sweating and struggling,

563
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: but then you also see them laughing and prospering. That

564
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: was a really important juxtaposition to present to the country,

565
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 2: and it still is because the only way you're going

566
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: to challenge the idea that work isn't the enemy is

567
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: to offer examples. I stay in touch with the thousand

568
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: or so people who have gone through our scholarship program,

569
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: because now I can go back and I can find

570
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: a kid who five or six years ago learned to

571
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 2: weld and who today is up on the high plains

572
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: in North Dakota or maybe down in the Gulf, making

573
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year. With no debt,

574
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 2: you know, raising a family right, And that story needs

575
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: to be told because the path to prosperity still exists

576
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: vis a vi a skilled trade. It's not about a

577
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: four year degree. It's not the best path for the

578
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: most people. One point five trillion dollars in student loans

579
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: is currently on the books. We have seven point three

580
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: million jobs currently open, the vast majority of which don't

581
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: require a four year degree. But we're still telling our

582
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: kids that if you don't get the four year degree,

583
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: if you don't sign on the line and assume whatever

584
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: the debt is, then you are going to wind up

585
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: with some kind of vocational consolation prize, and you're going

586
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: to spend the rest of your life pushing the boulder

587
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: up the hill. It's a false, nonsensical argument, but it's real,

588
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: and we've been selling it for a long time in

589
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: much the same way we've been lending money we don't

590
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: have to kids who are never going to be able

591
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: to pay it back to training for jobs that don't

592
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: exist anymore. It's a busted system.

593
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: So if you had a chance to talk personally to

594
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: every twelve year old in the country, but as individuals,

595
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: one on one, what would your core message be put.

596
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: It all on the table, look at everything, and don't

597
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 2: limit yourself the things you think you're interested in. Your

598
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: passion is important, your dreams are important. But if your

599
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: strategy is to follow your passion and chase your dream,

600
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: if that is your fundamental strategy, then you're taking a

601
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: horrible risk and you're limiting yourself in ways. You don't

602
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: have to put things on the table that you're not

603
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: interested in, explore things that you have no affinity for,

604
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: because you're twelve and you don't know anything, and when

605
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: you're eighteen, you're not going to know much more, and

606
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: when you're fifty you're not going to know nearly as

607
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: much as you think you do. The idea that your

608
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: success and your happiness could be way over here in

609
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: some place that you hadn't considered is the thing that

610
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: I want you to consider, because that's how it was

611
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: for me. I didn't follow my passion. I took it

612
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: with me, and as a result, I'm very passionate about

613
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: where I am at fifty seven years of age. And

614
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: as a bit of revisionist history, when I look at

615
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: the people on Dirty Jobs, the people that we featured

616
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: who resonated the most with the viewers. They were those people,

617
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: the people who didn't follow their passion, but who were

618
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: nevertheless passionate about whatever it was they wound up doing

619
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: somehow or another. That's the message the seventeen year old

620
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: who's trying to figure out do I borrow forty to

621
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: fifty grand a year to go to a four year school,

622
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: or do I take some time maybe in a community college,

623
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: or maybe in an apprenticeship program, or maybe just a

624
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: gap year. Not a gap year to screw around and

625
00:39:55,360 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: waste time, but to figure out where your competency and

626
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 2: your desire meet, Because that's the trick. And the more

627
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: we tell kids that the secret to their happiness is

628
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: to follow their passion, I think the more we're sending

629
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: them on a snipe hunt.

630
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a better message for this Labor Day,

631
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: or a more relevant message for every American. I think

632
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: you've already had an amazingly fascinating opening phase of your life,

633
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: and I have a hunch that the next phase is

634
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: going to continue to evolve and ended up being even

635
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: more interesting. You have a book coming out in a

636
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: little bit over a month. Call The Way I heard

637
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: her can tell us just for a minute, what led

638
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: you to write the book and what's in it.

639
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: The book is named after the podcast The Way I

640
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: Heard It, which I started writing a couple of years

641
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: ago as an homage really to Paul Harvey. He famously

642
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: had a radio program called The Rest of the Story

643
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: where he told five minute biographical mysteries. All of them

644
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 2: had a twist at the end, so you wound up

645
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: learning something you didn't know about somebody you thought you did.

646
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Speaker 2: And I just thought they were terrific, You know, the

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Speaker 2: kinds of stories that you can't get out of your

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Speaker 2: car and until you hear the end of so you

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Speaker 2: get to guess along the way who is talking about.

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Speaker 2: That project started as a podcast for me a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago. It was a hobby that became completely

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Speaker 2: out of hand, and now it's a book. And it's

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Speaker 2: an odd book because it takes thirty five of those

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Speaker 2: aforementioned biographies and juxtaposes them with thirty five autobiographical remembrances

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Speaker 2: of me. So it's really half memoir, half mystery and

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Speaker 2: kind of I hope, and interesting look at how we

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Speaker 2: remember history with a capital H, and of course our

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Speaker 2: own histories. The Way we recall these things the way

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Speaker 2: we talk about ourselves and the people we admire and

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Speaker 2: maybe not admire, and all smashed together into a hot mess,

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Speaker 2: good natured recollections. I think the publishers callient.

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Speaker 1: So it'll be out in October, but people can pre

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Speaker 1: order now, right.

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Speaker 2: That'd be terrific micro dot com slash book, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're really excited about it because it's a great way

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Speaker 2: to talk about the podcast, which has been gangbusters for

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Speaker 2: me and my foundation, and really just a fun way

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Speaker 2: hopefully to make history interesting and a little more accessible.

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Speaker 2: As I'm sure you know, making history attainable and kittilating

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Speaker 2: even for the masses is a tough trick, so that's

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Speaker 2: what the book attempts to do in some way, just

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Speaker 2: as the podcast does.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Micro. You can get a

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Speaker 1: link to his foundation micro works on our show page

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Speaker 1: at newtsworld dot com. Newtsworld is produced by Ganger Sweet

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Speaker 1: sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive producer is Guarnsey Sloan and

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Speaker 1: our research is Rachel Peterson. The artwork for the show

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Speaker 1: was created by Steve Penley. Special thanks to the tim

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Speaker 1: at Ginglishtree sixty. If you've been enjoying Nutsworld, I hope

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