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Speaker 1: Hello everyone of WOD the episode one Yes one one

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Speaker 1: one eleventh of the HEB A Territory Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Brad Rowland, coming to you go on a Sunday evening

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Speaker 1: in our normal time slot, and I'm joined by Scott

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Speaker 1: Coleman here at mid November. Scott's how are you as

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Speaker 1: the Bridge? I thought they playing baseball for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: Now it feels like nothing's happening, but it's still like

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Speaker 1: kind of rolling the off season.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Brad, good to be on with you, sir. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, baseball offseason. It's kind of love hate in

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Speaker 3: a way. It's nice that it kind of spreads itself

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Speaker 3: out over three months, but there's also these periods where

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Speaker 3: like literally nothing goes on and and it's not the

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Speaker 3: most fun from a fan perspective or even from from

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Speaker 3: a podcast perspective. But hopefully soon enough the Braves will

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Speaker 3: be making moves and really just across the league we'll

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Speaker 3: get some activity and movement, because even if it's not

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Speaker 3: the Braves, it's still fun to see where players wind

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Speaker 3: up and what trades go down.

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Speaker 1: It definitely is, and we should always kind of timestamp

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Speaker 1: these Aussee's an episode. Just if people don't know what

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Speaker 1: we're recording this podcast, it's like seven forty pm Eastern

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Speaker 1: on Sunday to this moment. You actually correct me. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was zero signings. One player has signed in

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Speaker 1: free agency and it's Kyle Hendrix. So it's been very

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Speaker 1: very quiet across the league, not just with the Braves.

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Speaker 1: Obviously there's been the opt outs. Last week we cover

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Speaker 1: that in detail. We should say also we I was

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Speaker 1: not there, but the other three of you were a

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Speaker 1: three man trade target, extravaganza, bonanza, whichever word we want

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Speaker 1: to use for that one was our most recent episode.

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Speaker 1: That was episode one ten. I'd say must listen. It's

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Speaker 1: a long one, but certainly excellent content from Scott, Sean

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Speaker 1: and Steven. And we are also part of foul Territory,

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Speaker 1: so please subscribe to this podcast. We are at hammer Territory.

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Speaker 1: Anywhere you find your podcast. Leave rings of reviews on Apple, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: I want to watch on YouTube. We are on video

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Speaker 1: there as well, and I definitely enjoyed that as a listener. Scott,

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Speaker 1: I have to say I was traveling this week. It

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Speaker 1: was a busy one for me and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm on a plane, What's Fired Up?

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Speaker 2: And it was nice. I enjoyed that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a fun episode and generally it's you

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Speaker 3: and I doing the shows, but that's kind of the

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Speaker 3: beauty of our setup now on Hammer Territory, we do

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Speaker 3: more shows than we used to. And I thought it

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Speaker 3: was a really good discussion. I thought both Sean and

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Speaker 3: Steven brought up some really good trade targets for the Braves.

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Speaker 3: So yes, if folks missed that it posted at the

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Speaker 3: end of this week, I guess at the end of

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Speaker 3: the week Thursday or Friday, but probably twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: names that we talked about as possible trade targets, the

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Speaker 3: usual suspects. I did my due diligence in saying Sonny

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Speaker 3: Gray's name at least one time and every single show

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Speaker 3: that I do, but even some like way off the

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Speaker 3: radar ideas like Stephen brought up Willie ca Astro, who

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Speaker 3: is hardly a household name, but as Steven was talking

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Speaker 3: about it, it's like, Wow, this makes total sense for

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Speaker 3: the Braves. Maybe they should do this. So yes, please

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Speaker 3: reach out and check out the show if you have

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Speaker 3: it already, And a big thanks to everybody who responded

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Speaker 3: and after we shared the show with our other ideas

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Speaker 3: and just it's pretty clear that as things stand for

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Speaker 3: the Braves right now, it's gonna be a busy off

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was purposeful. We did that trade episode

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Speaker 1: to kind of set the stage on that front. Today

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do some free agent talks, so not gonna

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Speaker 1: try to cover every free agent, but we are going

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Speaker 1: to focus on the starting pitching market on this particular episode,

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Speaker 1: which you know, there's this debate that's already raging about,

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Speaker 1: like how badly the Braves and the starting pitcher. I

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Speaker 1: think that will depend heavily on what happens with Max

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Speaker 1: Freed and Charlie Morton, to be honest with you, both

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Speaker 1: of whom are free agents at this very moments. It's

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Speaker 1: from LB trade rumors, Fangrass, and also ESPN's Colle McDaniel,

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Speaker 2: I think that's not logical to you.

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Speaker 3: It does, and you know, I know that Charlie is

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Speaker 3: And you know, Max, we know just how good and

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Speaker 3: just how aggressive Atlanta is going to be with Max. Clearly,

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Speaker 3: he wanted to be a free agent, and that is

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Speaker 3: his right as a player. To have thirty teams whine

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Speaker 3: Freed than maybe what I expected, or maybe we as

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Speaker 3: kind of a free for all and pitchers sign it

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Speaker 3: the first real contract they get, because in past winters,

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Speaker 3: you know, some pitchers have been left out in the dirt,

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Speaker 3: in the dirt, in the on the outside looking in

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Speaker 3: in terms of contracts. Maybe they were in the dirt.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. But yeah, we'll see what the next

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're right, there is a it's a market,

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Speaker 1: and that sounds cold and calculating, but that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: We're not saying the brands are going to sign anybody

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Speaker 1: like two hundred million ish from every system that I've

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Speaker 1: but he is the number one guy. He's been really

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Speaker 3: So you mentioned off the top, Brad. We're going to

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Speaker 3: consult really three different projections for every player MLB trade rumors,

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Speaker 3: fan grafts in ESPN, and on some players there's a

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Speaker 3: decent amount of difference on what kind of contract the

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Speaker 3: But across the board, Burns was projected at least seven

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Speaker 3: and ninety six million dollars or more. I would love

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Speaker 3: Corbyn Burns in Atlanta. I don't think the Braves are

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Speaker 3: I just don't see the Braves really being involved. They

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Speaker 1: We're on the same page there. I will acknowledge we

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Speaker 1: And also we don't know what the Brave's final offer was.

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Speaker 1: one to you, Blake Snell is the other guy who

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Speaker 1: He is, of course very very good. After kind of a

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Speaker 2: But does this one.

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Speaker 1: Seem plausible to you in a way that might surprise people?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: Now Snell he's thirty two years old, so he's a

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Speaker 3: Riley's making, Olsen's making. I think Chris sales a little

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Speaker 3: bit below there, but you know, in terms of we'll

434
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Speaker 3: say the leaders, the veteran leaders in the clubhouse, that's

435
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Speaker 3: kind of a sweet spot. Fangrafts was similar in money

436
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Speaker 3: at forty eight million, but only three years instead of

437
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, getting three years instead of two, which of

438
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Speaker 3: course is lower on an annual value, but you do

439
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Speaker 3: get one more season. So that's kind of the market

440
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Speaker 3: two to three years, maybe twenty some odd million dollars

441
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Speaker 3: a year, low twenties. I'm all for ev Aldi, especially

442
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Speaker 3: if Charlie Morton decides to retire, or if the Braves

443
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Speaker 3: decide to move on. I think you could slot E

444
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Speaker 3: of all the inn at the top of your rotation

445
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Speaker 3: sale Schwellenbach, Lopez at some point, Spencer Strider if they

446
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Speaker 3: add anybody else. I mean, frankly, Brad, maybe we should

447
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Speaker 3: do a quick point on this. Do you think the

448
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Speaker 3: Braves go out and add one starter this winter or

449
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Speaker 3: do they need to go out and add like two

450
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Speaker 3: solidified arms. And I'm curious to get your take because

451
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Speaker 3: I wanted to bring up a quick point tonight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think it again, a lot of it

453
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Speaker 1: depends on whether they bring back either Max or Charlie.

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Speaker 1: If it's neither of those guys, oh boy, I am.

455
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Speaker 1: You know, and every year people probably listen to this

456
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Speaker 1: buckcast for a long time, we'll know this. We tend

457
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Speaker 1: to lean into getting more pitching than other people seem

458
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Speaker 1: to think that they need. And I made the point

459
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Speaker 1: on a recent show that like I think they had

460
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Speaker 1: thirteen guys make a start last year, Like you just

461
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Speaker 1: need a lot of arms. If they lose Max and Charlie,

462
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Speaker 1: they need to get two guys via some method. It

463
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Speaker 1: could be a trade, it could be free agency, whatever,

464
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Speaker 1: in addition to all the young guys they have, etc.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, if you lose one of them, like

466
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Speaker 1: even if it's look, even if it's Charlie that comes back,

467
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Speaker 1: Charlie's not Max. But if you get Charlie and another

468
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Speaker 1: guy to kind of fill into the maxlot, and now,

469
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Speaker 1: of course you gets Rider back at some point and

470
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Speaker 1: probably may something like that. I think you're okay there,

471
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Speaker 1: But if it's I wouldn't want to lose two and

472
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Speaker 1: bring in one.

473
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Speaker 2: If that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree entirely. And you know, I think

475
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Speaker 3: it's just a point worth making tonight while we're talking

476
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Speaker 3: about free agency and all these starting pitchers. Again, if

477
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Speaker 3: Chris Saale is healthy, and by all accounts he's healthy

478
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Speaker 3: going into the off season, but we just saw that

479
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Speaker 3: Chris Sale at every given turn this past season for

480
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Speaker 3: six months, the Braves always try to give Sale an

481
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Speaker 3: extra day of rest to keep him fresh workload concerns.

482
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Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say, or at least have

483
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Speaker 3: in mind for Schwellenbach and Lopez, and even if the

484
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Speaker 3: Braves go out and sign Evaldi, Okay, sure, if those

485
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Speaker 3: four are healthy, you feel really good. But then I

486
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Speaker 3: mean you're putting a lot of eggs that Spencer Strider

487
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Speaker 3: is going to come back and be awesome right away,

488
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Speaker 3: and if he's not, or if he gets hurt again,

489
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Speaker 3: God forbid, or even just has some normal soreness, and

490
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Speaker 3: maybe he isn't ready to go full speed for a while.

491
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Speaker 3: You know, suddenly Griffin Canning, Bryce Elder, hopefully aj Smith

492
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Speaker 3: Schauver can take a step forward. But he really didn't

493
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Speaker 3: look big league ready this past season. Now things can

494
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Speaker 3: get ugly in a hurry for your rotation, and then

495
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Speaker 3: god forbid, an injury happened to sail Or Schwalenbach or

496
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Speaker 3: Lopez or even Eovaldi or whoever it is they sign.

497
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Speaker 3: I think that we're making the case that they need

498
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Speaker 3: to go out and add two starting pitchers of some

499
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Speaker 3: kind this winter to replace Freed and Morton. It may

500
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Speaker 3: not be two like super top end starters, yeah, Aces,

501
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Speaker 3: but I think you said it well a moment ago.

502
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Speaker 3: You can never have too much starting pitching, and it's

503
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Speaker 3: amazing how fast pitching depth can vanish over a six month,

504
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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty two game season.

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Speaker 1: And one more thing on that before we move on.

506
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Speaker 1: I do think that if you lose especially Max, they're

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Speaker 1: going to bring in somebody that is a top three

508
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Speaker 1: in rotation kind of level pitcher, in my opinion, probably

509
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Speaker 1: not going to look Nathink Ivaldi is not as good

510
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Speaker 1: as Max Freed, I want to say that out loud,

511
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Speaker 1: he's not, but I think that that kind of level

512
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Speaker 1: got if you lose Max and Charlie, but especially if

513
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Speaker 1: you lose Max in general, it would be good to

514
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Speaker 1: have at least one of the guys you bring in

515
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Speaker 1: be a little bit safer, a little bit more high level,

516
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Speaker 1: rather than you know, two of thems that we're gonna

517
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Speaker 1: talk about at the end of the podcast that are

518
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Speaker 1: like interesting enough guys who are like rotation pieces but

519
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Speaker 1: are like fourth fifth starters. I think you got to

520
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Speaker 1: add a real guy. In my opinion, if you lose

521
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Speaker 1: Max and Charlie, that's my baseline. Like, if they don't,

522
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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean this guy's falling. But that's what i'd

523
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Speaker 1: be trying to do if I was Alex. I'm sure

524
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Speaker 1: he probably trying to do that. And by the way,

525
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Speaker 1: part of the reas what we're doing this episode is

526
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Speaker 1: to kind of cast a wide net, get through a

527
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Speaker 1: lot of names, spending that much time on every single person,

528
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Speaker 1: but trying to give an idea of who's available, at

529
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Speaker 1: what level they're available.

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Speaker 2: Et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: I do want to keep going here, like there's three

532
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Speaker 1: or four guys and the kind of tier that's maybe

533
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Speaker 1: a realm where of all he is in money, in

534
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Speaker 1: no particular order, Sean Mania, Jack Flaherty, Luis Severino, and

535
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Speaker 1: u Sakacucci are all projected to get like fifteen to

536
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Speaker 1: twenty million a year basically in all of these projections

537
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Speaker 1: or with some of these projections for multi year contracts.

538
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Speaker 1: Different pictures for sure, but all kind of interesting guys,

539
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Speaker 1: Like some of them have qualifying offers to deal with.

540
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Speaker 1: Manaia and sev Reno have qualifying offers. Flerity does not,

541
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Speaker 1: and that's maybe why Flerity has the highest projection that

542
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Speaker 1: I've seen all these guys. But Kakuchi is a little

543
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Speaker 1: bit older. Like there's there's an interesting range here, Scott.

544
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Speaker 1: We don't have him going to like crazy depth on

545
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Speaker 1: all of these guys. Do you like any of these

546
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Speaker 1: guys more than the others? Are you interested in any

547
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Speaker 1: of these pictures?

548
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Speaker 3: So for a little context quickly, Sean Maniah, between the

549
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Speaker 3: three projection services for his salary, probably looking at a

550
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Speaker 3: deal for about three years and sixty million dollars. Jack

551
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Speaker 3: Flaherty is probably looking at a five year deal for

552
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Speaker 3: maybe one hundred one hundred and ten million dollars, and

553
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Speaker 3: Luis Severino is looking at a deal for three years

554
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 3: and maybe fifty to sixty million dollars at those asking prices,

555
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Speaker 3: I'm not really interested in any of those three. How

556
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Speaker 3: do you feel, Brad, do any of these three scream?

557
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Speaker 3: Alex Senthopolos? Do you?

558
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Speaker 1: I think if at the prices that you just listed,

559
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Speaker 1: I think the only guy that I would maybe want

560
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Speaker 1: is Manayah and only for three years, like ESPN has

561
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Speaker 1: has been a getting four years and eighty something million

562
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Speaker 1: that I would not do that. But let's just say,

563
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Speaker 1: for instance, Fangrafts has three for three for fifty seven

564
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Speaker 1: for Manaya. I'm not like in love with that. I'm

565
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Speaker 1: not gonna fall over myself trying to do that. But

566
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Speaker 1: if they signed that contract tomorrow three sixty for Shaw

567
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Speaker 1: and Iyah, I'd be like, I get that. Like he's

568
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Speaker 1: he's a veteran.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

570
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Speaker 1: He showed some chain we going craze deep on this.

571
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Speaker 1: He showed some changes to his pitch mix this year

572
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Speaker 1: that looked like it was kind of interesting. Uh, maybe

573
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Speaker 1: a little bit of luck there too, But I've always

574
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Speaker 1: kind of I've always kind of liked him. Sevarino is

575
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Speaker 1: interesting because he's had tons of injuries and he's kind

576
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Speaker 1: of a one year wonder right now, Like he was

577
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Speaker 1: really bad for a while and then he came back

578
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Speaker 1: this year with really good Flerty for five years is

579
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Speaker 1: just a no thanks for me. I like Flarity, he's

580
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: interesting pitcher, but five years is kind of were uh,

581
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Speaker 1: And I think Alex will probably agree with me on that.

582
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Speaker 1: I don't think a Ile's gonna do five years if

583
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Speaker 1: I had to guess. But look, honestly, we didn't even

584
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Speaker 1: talk about Coocucci yet. I think he's the guy that

585
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Speaker 1: I might like the best of these four guys at

586
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Speaker 1: the price tax. And by the way, I know this

587
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: is kind of on brand for me. He's a older,

588
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: boring pitcher, which is right in my alley, as you know.

589
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. Kukuchi's interesting just from the fact that

590
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: he just had a career best season at age thirty three,

591
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Speaker 3: and his last two seasons were quite good. He's basically

592
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Speaker 3: been a top twenty five, top thirty starter in the

593
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Speaker 3: majors the last two years, and that's not really a

594
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Speaker 3: common thing to say for a guy in his early

595
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: and approaching his mid thirties. So Kakuchi's mildly interesting. You know,

596
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Speaker 3: he was traded to the Astros mid season and pitched

597
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: pretty well for Houston if I remember right, So I

598
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Speaker 3: think he's a pitcher who clearly still has something in

599
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Speaker 3: the tank, you know, talking about those other three just

600
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Speaker 3: away in quickly. I mean, I was pretty surprised that

601
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Speaker 3: Jack Flaherty was getting five year, one hundred and fifteen

602
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Speaker 3: million dollar projection. I mean, if you're gonna play that game,

603
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 3: just throw a few extra dollars at Max Freed at

604
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Speaker 3: that point. Well, yeah, that's kind of and by the way,

605
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 3: there of course, same high school.

606
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Speaker 1: If people don't know that, Maxim Jack Clarity, Yeah, have

607
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: a relationship dating back years and years and years. But yeah,

608
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: I'm overset with you. And he is a you know,

609
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: a high, a high petiree guy. He's had some ups

610
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: and downs, let's say, in his career, like in Saint Louis.

611
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: He was a top five young guy probably five years

612
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Speaker 1: ago and was kind of in the wilderness in twenty

613
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Speaker 1: twenty three, and then it was awesome this year. So

614
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: he timed this for agency quite well. That worked out

615
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: well for him. He'll get paid as a result. It's

616
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Speaker 1: a little bit scary to me. But yeah, I it's

617
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Speaker 1: more that it's not because I maybe maybe part of

618
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Speaker 1: this that I know Alex's history and he does not

619
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Speaker 1: like to go five years song guys like this.

620
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: But I think maybe the the.

621
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Speaker 1: The you know, older guys who are not going to

622
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: cost you as many years appeal to me for that reason.

623
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Speaker 1: But yeah, one hundred percent, Like, if you're going to

624
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Speaker 1: go five for one fifteen, which is the projection on flarity,

625
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: I would much rather have Max for five one or whatever.

626
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: Like that's just he's a much better pitcher, So yeah.

627
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Speaker 3: I would agree. So I guess to kind of put

628
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: a bow on this, we'll call it middle tier of arms.

629
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Speaker 3: I think Eovaldi really, I mean, seriously, if if you

630
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Speaker 3: made me pick today Brad a free agent pitcher, where

631
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Speaker 3: I had to put, you know, a decent amount of

632
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: money on, who are the Braves going to sign Between

633
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: both the obvious fit and the fact that Mark Bowman

634
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 3: reported that there has been some interest already, and I

635
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: mean truly, like the first day of the offseason, I

636
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: think Bowman reported that the Braves were interested in Eovaldi.

637
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: You know, he is probably the one name I think

638
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: I said this a little while ago. But the one

639
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: name I could really see the Braves signing on top

640
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: of Max Freed because I still, deep down I don't know, man,

641
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: I just have this weird feeling with Max. I know

642
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: he wanted to be a free agent. Maybe I'm delusional.

643
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because I love Max Freed and he pitched

644
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: a game series world series clincher. But yeah, I think

645
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: Eovaldi makes a lot of sense here. I'm not in

646
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: love with any of the other names in this group.

647
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Speaker 3: I do think Kakuchi is actually moderately interesting if his

648
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: market really doesn't develop in the way that it didn't

649
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: develop for a handful of pitchers last year. But I

650
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: think Manaia and Severino in particular, with the qualifying offers attached,

651
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: assuming they decline them, I just to lose a draft

652
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: pick and take on the risk that it would take

653
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: for those two, I just don't see the Braves doing it.

654
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: So from here.

655
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: There are other guys too that are, you know, projected

656
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: to be a little bit all over the place, Like

657
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: there's there's some short term guys, there's some old guys,

658
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: there's some more fringy guys. We'll just be quickly on

659
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: this to kind of so we don't talk about this

660
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: guys for an hour and a half if we could

661
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: easily do an hour plusure on this. There are some

662
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: BILO candidates, and Alex likes the BILO. We've seen that

663
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: before as recently as Chris Sale. To be honest, they

664
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: bought very low on Chris Sale. That worked out very well.

665
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: Alexles pedigree. He likes guys who have been good in

666
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: the past that you're trying to kind of wreck, you know,

667
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: be a recogmation project, et cetera. There are two names

668
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: that are pretty much exactly like that to different degrees.

669
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: One of them is Shane Bieber, who is currently injured.

670
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: He had Tommy John in April twenty twenty four, so

671
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna be out probably till the summer.

672
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: If I had to guess, But.

673
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: A former cy Young winner, an awesome pitcher who's twenty

674
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: nine years old and who has a different projection in

675
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: every place is actually a one year deal one place,

676
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: a two year deal, one place, three year deal, one

677
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: place his productor for obvious reasons, you got a great

678
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: pitcher who's hurt right now that's going to cost some uncertainty,

679
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: and then you have Walker Buehler and Walker Buehler if

680
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: we could be Candid was just bad this year for

681
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: most of the season with the Dodgers, but then he

682
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: had a great playoff run on a World Series clincher

683
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: once for his team, and also before that before his downturn.

684
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: Wasn't Ace basically for like four years and it's only thirty.

685
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: And those kind of guys just scream Alex to me,

686
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: like in a different way than the Eavaldi is the

687
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: like again the cop is Charlie Morton four years ago

688
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: with the Evaldi. These guys are more like in the

689
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: real Alex realm of like, all right, we see something here,

690
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: we buy the pedigree and the and the price matters,

691
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: because look, guy, we can talk about for days. A

692
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: lot of this is going to come down to all

693
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: these pictures. Where is their market. Alex is not someone

694
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: who's gonna pick a pitcher on this list and say

695
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: we have to sign this picture. That's not that's not

696
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Alex at any cost. He's going to have a board

697
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: that says we're gonna we're gonna go to this dollar

698
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: amount of this guy or whatever. He'll be flexible. I

699
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: think the history shows and tells us that he's not

700
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: going to be centered on one guy without any contact.

701
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: It's going to be like, all right, what's the market here,

702
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: who can we get a good deal on, et cetera,

703
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: et cetera. And I think these two guys, while they're volatile,

704
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: for sure, they're not safe. These guys are not your vultaned.

705
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: They're not safe, but they are pretty interesting.

706
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, They're very interesting to me. And you know, with Buehler,

707
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: he's a player that Alex is familiar with from his

708
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: days with the Dodgers before he came over to run

709
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: the Braves. You know, Bueler was in the organization when

710
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: Alex was there. I believe he was drafted when Alex

711
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: was there, and there's obviously some familiarity.

712
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: You know.

713
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm really curious to see if Buehler even really entertains

714
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: other offers on the market. I kind of think he's

715
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 3: gonna go back to the Dodgers, but if he doesn't,

716
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: I would be very interested in Bueller. His stuff was

717
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: still quite good, especially in the playoffs, and we have

718
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: seen as pitchers distance themselves from these major elbow surgeries,

719
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: they generally get better and better as time passes. And

720
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: Shane Bieber is fascinating. I mean, you could make a

721
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: case this guy was a top five starting pitcher in

722
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: baseball for multiple years.

723
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean he was literally that. I think he won

724
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: the pitch a Triple Crown at twenty twenty.

725
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: I know it.

726
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty was it was the weird season, but he

727
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: was the best pitcher in the league that season in

728
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: a small sample size. But it did happen, and he was,

729
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: to your point, unquestionably elite for about four years.

730
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

731
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bieber was again one of the Cleveland pitching factory

732
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: gems that I mean, Cleveland's unbelievable at developing pitching. Bieber

733
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: very good had the surgery. Velosity was down before that surgery.

734
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: But for a team like the Braves, who are not

735
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: really desperate for starting pitching at this point. Now, I'm

736
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 3: curious if Bieber's up for like a one year incentive

737
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 3: Leyden prove it deal, I mean that screams alex Enthopolis

738
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: to me, or even a two year deal knowing that

739
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: he probably is only going to have a couple of

740
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 3: months to rebuild his value. But both Bieber and Buehler

741
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 3: to me, are interesting, especially if the Braves have the

742
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: money or the prospects to go make a trade for

743
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: a more frontline starting pitcher. If you can do that

744
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: and add Bieber or Buehler, that's just kind of gravy

745
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: to see what they can do over a season as

746
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 3: they are presumably going to get healthier. I'd be all

747
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: for it, and it does feel very on brand for Alex.

748
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wouldn't go three years. I'm either one

749
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: of these guys. I don't think ESPN's kindagueses have had

750
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: them going three years for both of them. I probably

751
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: think Alex wouldn't do that unless it was a favorable,

752
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: really favorable scenario. There maybe an option or something like that.

753
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: We'll see, but just interesting players that are recognizable names

754
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: and pretty Alex core. There's a this is a mini

755
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: tier that I just saw your note on on our

756
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: dock and I maybe laugh. Two very old guys who

757
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: are potential like Hall of famers, basically Max Scherzer and

758
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: Justin Verlander are both available on the market, and I'm

759
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: not This is not me saying that Bray should sign

760
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: these guys. I just wanted to make They're just on

761
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: the list. They were both pretty good last year when

762
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: they pitched, although Verland was worse than she was more hurt.

763
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: They're both old, man, They're they're Morton's age or older,

764
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: and that makes them Obviously it's gonna be a one

765
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: year deal if they gave any if anybody give the

766
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: guys both to your deal. The're insane. But are you

767
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: are you in arout? And I already saw I know this,

768
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: I'll already know the answer, Scott. But tell the audience

769
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: what you think about these guys.

770
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: I am capital letters O U, t On, Shreser and Verlander.

771
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: If the Braves are just so determined to have a

772
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: forty year old or forty one year old in the go.

773
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Ahead and say it, let's go go ahead, come on. Yeah,

774
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: maybe I'm clipping this. Bring back Charlie Morton's Scott Coleman.

775
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like this episode.

776
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: That's right, It's gonna be like when folks find the

777
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: podcast for the first time. It's gonna be like the

778
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: introductory episode that me saying to bring back Charlie back Charlie. Yeah.

779
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: I if there's as we have in all seriousness, I

780
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: think there is a genuine possibility that the Braves could

781
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: bring Charlie Morton back. If Charlie wants to keep pitching,

782
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: and if he's willing to do it at ten million,

783
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: twelve million dollars, I think he brings a stability, which

784
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: is kind of crazy to say for a guy his age.

785
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: But if Charlie Morton is your fifth starter next season,

786
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: I mean you take that. All day long. He's been

787
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: very durable, his velocity is still fine, he still gets strikeouts.

788
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: You know, we don't have to beat the Charlie Morton

789
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: horse anymore. But I am sure that Scherzer and Verlander

790
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: are going to sign with somebody, but I don't think

791
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 3: it's gonna be with the Braves. And I think those

792
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: two obvious Hall of famers, but I don't think they

793
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: will be pitching for Atlanta next season. Yeah, I mean

794
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: I want to include them.

795
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: I do think that there is a world where I

796
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: would not hate the Braves signing either one of them

797
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: to a one year deal for whatever it is, eight million,

798
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: ten million, something like that. I don't hate that idea,

799
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: but your logic makes total sense. Like I would also

800
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: prefer Charlie. He's already been around, He's been more durable

801
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: than both of them.

802
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: To this point.

803
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: He was not as good as these guys. When he

804
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: was at his peak. But that doesn't matter anymore. They're

805
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: old now and they are what they are. So I'm

806
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: not as as you are because I could see the

807
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: world which maybe Charlie retires and they you know, Max

808
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: Shurs was like, I want to have one more run

809
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: on a contending team.

810
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: I like the praise. Let's do it.

811
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate that. I really wouldn't for for the

812
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: right price. Again, one year deal, not not twenty million

813
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: dollars like I'm talking like one year eight million, one

814
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: year ten million. Sure, give it a shot. He's a

815
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: maniac as well. Max Scherzer is like a well documented

816
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: maniac competitor, like two of a year degree.

817
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: So Max Chers is gonna pitch until they have to

818
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: like lock him out of a clubhouse because he's a madman.

819
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: There you go. So anyway, that's that's that mini segment

820
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: from here, Scott.

821
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of guys who we should at least

822
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: just talk about and name because they are on the

823
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: top fifty lists that I've seen, but like near the bottom,

824
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: like between thirty and fifty on the free agent lists.

825
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: And this is in no particular order. I'm just gonnaname

826
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: whatuch you guys. We'll come back to a couple of

827
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: them who want.

828
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: To Matthew Boyd, Kyle Gibson, Jose Quintana, Nick Povetta got

829
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: a qualifying offer that shocked everybody from Boston. That was

830
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: a woman no one saw coming. Andrewhiney, Frankie Montas, Trevor Williams,

831
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: and Alex Cobb are all available. And then I have

832
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: my personal favorite, Nick Martinez. I am on the Nick Martinez.

833
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: I've I don't know why I am. I mean, I

834
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: do know why, but uh, that was not in my

835
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: mind to be bat But I'm in on Martinez. Does

836
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: anybody on this list that you actually like? Because I

837
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: feel like these guys are the how do I put this?

838
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: If the Braves site anyone on this section of the

839
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: list anytime soon, Scott Braves fans will not be happy

840
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: about it. They might not be mad about it, but

841
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: they won't They'll be like, who is this guy? This

842
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: guy's not very good And I'll have to come on

843
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: the podcast and say, look, guys, these guys are okay

844
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: at their fourth fifth starters, that's what these guys are.

845
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: All these guys are. Maybe maybe Martinez is better than that,

846
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: which is why he's number one on this list for me.

847
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: But like, does that make sense to you? These guys

848
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: would like the plug and play option, the less sexy,

849
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: eat some innings, et cetera.

850
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they do make sense. I think these

851
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: are arms where the braves will aim higher, and if

852
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: they swing and miss on some of these better arms,

853
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: then you can always circle back to these guys. I

854
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: think you said it right. Half of these names are

855
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: are not going to be signed by next weekend. I

856
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: would imagine their markets will probably play out more in

857
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: January and February, once the big dogs have found homes.

858
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: You know, let's let's talk about I mean, you you

859
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: mentioned Nick Martinez. Why don't you kind of set the

860
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: stage with him a little bit? And then I have

861
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 3: one name which is kind of interesting to me, but

862
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: go ahead on on Martinez.

863
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

864
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,959
Speaker 1: So Martinez is the guy that I like, and part

865
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: of the reason why I'm saying that it's not only

866
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: because I like him, but got the he kind of

867
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: his brave's core. From what we see in recently, I

868
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: would make the comparison not necessarily was stuff, but a

869
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: situation to Ronald Lopez a year ago. Martinez has been

870
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: a reliever at times in the recent past. He's also

871
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: been a starter at times. He's gone back and forth

872
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: and been effective in both roles. The last three seasons.

873
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: It's a thirty four year old guy on the on

874
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: the reds. He has an ERA of three point three

875
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: to one in the last three seasons.

876
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 3: That's very good.

877
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: Obviously, FIP about three point seven seven, five, seven eight,

878
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: something like that. It's not been a full time starter.

879
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: He's been a reliever sometimes. So it's only three or

880
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: three and fifty nine innings, so it's not like a

881
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: crazy amount of work. But it's kind of like Lopez,

882
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: where you can get a guy like that. He'd be

883
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: good in the bullpen. He'd be good as a starter.

884
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: I think the price would be reasonable. His walk rate

885
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: was really really down last year, which I like, just

886
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: all up all the checkboxes, like it's obviously a guy

887
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: who's gonna probably get some money from somebody. I think

888
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be like dirt cheap either, but I

889
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: think that he could be this year's Bernonda Lopez. Not

890
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: necessarily go ahead and put up a two point zero already.

891
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that in a way that Lopez did.

892
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: But if like the same reaction that we had about

893
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: Lopez when they signed him a year ago, I would

894
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: have now about Nick Martinez, like, hey, good pitcher.

895
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: We'll see what the role is gonna be.

896
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: But a good a guy that's gonna help your pitching

897
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: staff is what my pitch would be there.

898
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it. And the other name that I'm

899
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: gonna throw out there and similar a similar mold where

900
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: he's probably a little versatile in what you could do

901
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: with him, rotation, bullpen, opener, whatever it might be. But

902
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 3: Matthew Boyd is pretty interesting to me. Boyd underwent Tommy

903
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 3: John last summer in twenty twenty three, but took some

904
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 3: time ultimately signed a one year deal with the Cleveland Guardians.

905
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: And while Boyd has had some injuries really throughout his

906
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 3: whole career, whenever he's been on the mound, he's been

907
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: pretty effective. He has really good stuff. He has a

908
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: twenty eight percent strikeout rate and only an eight percent

909
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: walk rate this past season. And while he's never been

910
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 3: like your typical start thirty games and throw one hundred

911
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: and however many innings, and I think there's something with

912
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: Boyd that's interesting in the way that again similarly kind

913
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: of like a Ronaldo Lopez. You can figure out how

914
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: to use him. He could be your back end starter

915
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: if everything's going perfectly, and say you add somebody else

916
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: and Strider's amazing and everybody else is healthy. They could

917
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: go to a six man. They could make him a

918
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 3: bullpen weapon, they could make him an opener, they could

919
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: go to a sixth man rotation. I don't know what

920
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 3: they would do, but again, I think we wanted to

921
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: at least point out that there is kind of this

922
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: maybe a dozen or so pitchers who are not frontline guys.

923
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: No one's gonna go do cartwheels when the blue square

924
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: pops up with their name, but they all do varying

925
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: things well, and presumably we'll get a phone call from

926
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: the Braves if they don't go out and you know,

927
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: address their rotation within the next couple of weeks.

928
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the only thing that I would say, these

929
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: guys are all kind of similar, but for ends, I

930
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: think Martinez is like for me anyway, it's closer to

931
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: the other group than this group. That's that's my hottest

932
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: take is that he's like, he's more in the in

933
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: the talent level, skill level of the Kakoochi Severino su Tier.

934
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: But people don't know who he is because he's been

935
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: on the Reds and I give that it's not he's

936
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: been a relative obscurity there, but I like him. But

937
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: even you know he's getting some real projections. I think

938
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: Kylie had him for like two for thirty something million,

939
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: like it was not a small contract, Like it's a

940
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: real number.

941
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: You get to pay that guy so well.

942
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all I have as far as like

943
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: names to talk about Scott. I mean, we gave the

944
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: whole spiel already about how the Braves just need and

945
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: every team. This applies to every contending team. You need

946
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: more pitching than.

947
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: You think you do. That's just and they and they

948
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: know that.

949
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: Alex, to his credit, always seems to know that we'll

950
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: probably do another show on the bullpen, which is now

951
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: thrown into some chaos with Joejamanna's injury. That's a topic

952
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: for another show that we were a little bit already,

953
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: but that's going to be maybe they add proactively the

954
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: bullpen again, which is maybe why another guy like Martinez

955
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: or somebody has.

956
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: Some Reef experience would be interesting.

957
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: And then of course position players are another domino a

958
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: together have a short stop position and the outfits uh,

959
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: of course top of the list there, but anything else

960
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: you want to add, As we kind of just did

961
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: this run, this run through a bunch of interesting pitchers,

962
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: and I think that we all know they got to

963
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: add somebody.

964
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Braves need people to cover innings next season,

965
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: just full stop. If there's anything that Max and Charlie

966
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 3: have done the last three, four or five seasons, they

967
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: have eaten a ton of innings for the Atlanta Braves,

968
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 3: and they've been good innings. And we saw this past

969
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 3: season if you have a rock solid starting rotation, it

970
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: can carry you no matter how terrible your offense is.

971
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: And clearly the Braves have some money and openings to

972
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: really address the rotation, whether in free agency or with trades.

973
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: So it's it's really going to be interesting to see

974
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: what they ultimately do. Again, if folks missed the trade

975
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: Targets episode of the show, we mentioned probably a half

976
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: dozen or so starting pitchers. The Braves could go after

977
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: your Sonny Grays your I'm blanking on them because it's

978
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: been a long day, Brad, But check out the show

979
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: and then you'll know exactly who it's a terrible tease.

980
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: How about that?

981
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: It was great?

982
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: It was it was a pro tease. Scott like like

983
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: I today and did not enjoy and a football Scott's

984
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: a Colts fan that was excruciating before us with the

985
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: Colts today almost as the as the Falcons was into

986
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: the Saints. Uh, that was not fun either. So it's

987
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: been a lot day for both of us. Scott, we

988
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: met it to the end.

989
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: We should just like cut the show, but not cut

990
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: the show and just do like a twenty minute event session.

991
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll open up like a voicemail hotline so everybody

992
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: can air there. I mean, it was a rough football

993
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 3: weekend for I think a lot of our listeners. Brad maybe,

994
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 3: oh yeah, maybe it would be therapeutic just to kind

995
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: of shout into the void and be angry at football

996
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 3: for a long time.

997
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's we have a full southeast footprint. Lots of

998
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: people that would not be terribly pleased. That's every weekend

999
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: right now. But certainly Georgie fan's not thrilled at the moment.

1000
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: I know we have LSU fan listeners. There's a couple.

1001
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: My team's not very good this year after win a championship,

1002
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: last year, so all kinds of bad things. But anyway,

1003
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: enough of bad Scott and one more time as you

1004
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: just laid out, but people should be listening to the

1005
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: show all off season along. We are busy in this space.

1006
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: We've done several episodes already in the last I don't

1007
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: know month plus since the Braves were eliminated, and I

1008
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: think they're pretty much all relevant still at this point.

1009
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: Even the ones that were a month ago, we're still

1010
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: kind of relevant at this stage because not I mean,

1011
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: there was the reaction episodes to next, the celet trade,

1012
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: et cetera. Those are still relevant. Nothing's changed since then

1013
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: for instance. So if for a new listener, welcome on board.

1014
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: You have some back listening, do you want to find it?

1015
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: If you want to find some content to listen to,

1016
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: it's available for you. And if you're a recurring listener,

1017
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: thanks for being here. As always, please subscribe to the

1018
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: show anywhere you find podcasts, Apple, Spotify.

1019
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: You too.

1020
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: If you want to support the show the most possible,

1021
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: Number one, support our sponsors, and the number two subscribe

1022
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: and listen on audio and video because that really helps

1023
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: us to get that crossover. Scott, anything to plug before

1024
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: we sign off.

1025
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: I nothing to plug, Brad. This was a good show.

1026
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: I'm glad we have you back home now. I know

1027
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: you've been a busy man traveling the world as always.

1028
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: Where in the world is Brad Roland would be a

1029
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 3: fun segment to do, but you don't need that. Yeah,

1030
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: big thanks to everybody who has stuck with us through

1031
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: the off season. Hopefully soon we will have some more

1032
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: reaction shows whenever the Braves do make a deal or

1033
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 3: two or three. And yeah, I hope everybody out there

1034
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: is doing well and we'll be back with I think

1035
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: the plan is due now a preview of the hitters

1036
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: and bullpen arms at some point soon on this very feed,

1037
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: and we'll have that soon.

1038
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, free agency talk for sure, trade stuff

1039
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: already and more trade stuff in the future, Alex. As

1040
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: you and I both know Scott, Alex likes to make

1041
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: Monday morning moves, so my guard's always up every Monday

1042
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: morning these days. That might happen tomorrow. We have no

1043
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: idea what's going to happen in the coming days, so

1044
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: stay tuned. We'll cover it all, we promise you on

1045
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: this podcast. Thanks for listening, everybody. I'll see you all

1046
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: next time.