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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Iheartradiots in Katie.

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Speaker 2: What is on your shirt?

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Speaker 1: Oh, man, I have a shirt. I'm obsessed with great

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Speaker 1: white sharks. If people know me, I'm obsessed with sharks.

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Speaker 1: And I have this T shirt that says let them

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Speaker 1: Be and it has like four different photos of you know,

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Speaker 1: extremely sort of majestic looking great white sharks.

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Speaker 2: Oh. By the way, when Gharmu and I send videos

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Speaker 2: to each other, which we do all the time, he's

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Speaker 2: usually standing underneath a great white shark that's hanging from

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Speaker 2: your ceiling in your house, and you're always like, oh no.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like a yeah, it's a sort of

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Speaker 1: eleven x fourteen, like like a model of a great

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Speaker 1: white shark. Yeah, that we hung to my ceiling.

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Speaker 2: Why do you like these animals? These convincement.

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Speaker 1: I am fascinated by them, and I'm terrified of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can barely go in the ocean because

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Speaker 1: I think of sharks. But at the same time, I

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Speaker 1: have this huge respect for them because they're so they're

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Speaker 1: so unpredictable and they could just that's their world, the ocean,

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Speaker 1: And we sort.

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Speaker 2: Of they since the dinosaurs. Oh yeah, yeah, Like that's

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Speaker 2: what fucking blows my mind. It's like when I'm reading

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Speaker 2: Albi's fucking dinosaur books at bedtime before he goes to sleep,

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Speaker 2: and they're like the Jurassic Age and this age and whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's like, sixty five million years ago, sharks were their people.

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Speaker 1: Sharks were motherfucking there. Yeah, there's some sharks in the oceans,

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Speaker 1: like in Africa, I know in certain spots, and I

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Speaker 1: think that Lupe Island in Mexico where they've spotted extremely

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Speaker 1: like ridiculous, lessly large sharks. Like there's some sharks in

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Speaker 1: the ocean we don't even know about that are just

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Speaker 1: of massive proportions.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been to the Museum of Natural History

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Speaker 2: downtown La.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we need to move.

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Speaker 2: We need to go down there because in a huge

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Speaker 2: case a live one infamaldehyde, they have a a megamouth,

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Speaker 2: a megamouth shark. Yeah, the most disgusting thing I have

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Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. My children screamed. I almost

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Speaker 2: asked for my money back. My children can't unsee that creature.

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Speaker 2: It was absolutely horrifying.

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Speaker 1: Is it the full shark? Is it just a mouth.

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Speaker 2: In a case, the mouth is open and it looks

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Speaker 2: like I'm never say it like it just everyone google

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Speaker 2: megamouth shark and it's horrifying and carcareous.

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Speaker 1: That's the scientific name of a great white shark.

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Speaker 2: You are adorable.

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be my next tattoo. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get that written on my on the left side

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Speaker 1: of my chest.

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Speaker 2: Carcarrion Cardarius Kim Kardashian, What Kardashian you've shot in South

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Speaker 2: Africa before?

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Speaker 1: I have?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a place where you can go in

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Speaker 2: a cage and swim with great white sharks.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I tried to go and production would not. I

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Speaker 2: Germo, I honestly think you might have had a heart attack.

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Speaker 2: Like that's pretty scary, like not only because a it's

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Speaker 2: absolutely horrifying, but b because you know so much about them.

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Speaker 2: It's been such a huge part of your life. It's

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Speaker 2: similar to you meeting Madonna on Ellen, where you like

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Speaker 2: had a heart attack.

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Speaker 1: I did. I did. I almost slipped and fell on

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Speaker 1: my ass. I bowed down to her. I showed her

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Speaker 1: my tattoo of her. I was just a bumbling mess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to get into this episode. But wait,

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Speaker 2: I love them. We're making I'm making a cross connection

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Speaker 2: between Great White Charts and Madonna. But garyma Diez is

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Speaker 2: obsessed with Madonna, I believe. I remember I realized it

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Speaker 2: when you went on a talk show during Scandal and

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Speaker 2: the whoever's was the host was like, I'm gonna put

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Speaker 2: every single Madonna record down, and you need to put

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Speaker 2: them in order of when they came out, right, And

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Speaker 2: it was like watching like a mad genius scientist at work.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, and Katie, I still have all the

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Speaker 1: because they were photos like eight x ten and they

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Speaker 2: What show was it?

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Speaker 1: It was Access Hollywood? Remember, Oh my god?

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Speaker 2: on Ellen.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, what happened before that, Ellen had had you know,

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Speaker 1: the Scandal cast, and she'd had me on by myself

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Speaker 1: about Madonna to Ellen. I showed Ellen my Madonna tattoo.

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Speaker 1: the Ellen Show. Ellen gave me an Ellen tattoo and

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Speaker 1: I had I had this obsession with Madonna. So cut

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Speaker 1: to Porsche being on Scandal. Now she I believe She

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Speaker 1: mentioned saying, hey, Ellen is going to have Madonna on

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Speaker 1: like what you know? I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: is this real? And then it happened. Ellen Ellen Show

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Speaker 1: to be the guest DJ, and Madonna is our guest

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Speaker 1: and Ellen brought me but also the kicker. I got

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Speaker 1: she rehearsed the song twice. It was living for Love

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Speaker 2: And then I remember it. I remember it. They called

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Speaker 2: you got down on your knees and you held her

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Speaker 2: We're talking today about episode two O five, called All

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Speaker 2: Roads Lead to Fits, which aired on November eighth of

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve and was written by Ramaala Mohammed.

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Speaker 1: H We Love Her And it was directed by Steve

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Speaker 1: Robin and it.

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Speaker 2: Was guest starring Tom Amandy's as Samuel Restin, Brenda Strong

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Speaker 2: as Joan Reston, Audrey Wazuluski as Alison Becker.

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Speaker 1: And we have Colin Douglas as Steve Dougherty, and Mina

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Speaker 1: Baddie as assistant US Attorney Jane.

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Speaker 2: Powell quick ass synopsis to jog y'all's memories about episode

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Speaker 2: two O five and all the scandalicious deliciousness that happened

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Speaker 2: during this episode. We have Hollis Doyle hosts a private

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Speaker 2: meeting with Verna Thornton, Cyrus, Bean, Melli, Grant, Olivia Pope

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Speaker 2: one condition he stopped his obsession into Olivia popeen Citron.

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Speaker 1: After Governor Samuel Resling kills a contractor who is raping

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Speaker 2: Seem at the White House. Cyrus's husband James, decides to

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Speaker 2: That was just a nice back and forth. I fucking

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Speaker 2: love this episode me too, the twists and the turns.

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Speaker 2: And it's written by the incredible Ramla Mohammed, who was

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Speaker 2: like a baby I think she was like a researcher

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Speaker 2: then became a baby writer into a big dog writer

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Speaker 2: aired on Hulu and Carrie Washington directed and I think

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Speaker 1: It is so good. I remember Ramala being coming on

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Speaker 1: set because you know, the writers of that particular episode

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Speaker 2: Like sometimes there were writers that would come on that

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Speaker 2: what's different about Scandal and why the writers are so

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Speaker 2: be on set with us, we would be with them

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Speaker 2: for a billion hours.

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Speaker 2: And then Ramla was with us all seven years, so

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into this episode. There are so many

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Speaker 2: things I love about this, but we need to really

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Speaker 2: talk about this whole date situation. Where do you want

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Speaker 1: We could do the open that opening scene with with a.

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Speaker 2: College calls the whole meeting and says that you have

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Speaker 2: a David Rosen problem, and like these are just the

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Speaker 2: fucking round table of the Loves, because they're all goons,

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Speaker 2: Like they're all just like Hollis, Verna, Cyrus and Olivia.

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Speaker 2: They're just sitting around a fucking table and literally playing

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I remember watching these scenes and feeling like

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Speaker 2: Yes, And that hair is found all over the house

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Speaker 2: Okay, we got Cyrus is shocked that James is back

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Speaker 1: Yo. What tell me that scene where Olivia walks in

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Speaker 2: You know what makes me feel better about the tearstick

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Speaker 2: It was just listening to a podcast that Alison Janny

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Speaker 2: Horror films have so many Jason thirty seven hundred point five.

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Speaker 1: That? Yes? Yes? And she was also Katie. She was

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Speaker 1: Nowhere? Nep Campbell. She's doing Scream forty two, That's what

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Speaker 1: And Katie, one more thing real quick. She was the

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Speaker 2: She was the voice of the entire thing. Wait, speaking

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Speaker 2: Farmer at Amantika November nine, twenty twelve, tweeted, was that

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Speaker 1: Oh shit?

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Speaker 2: Yes it is now in season two? Yeah, changes and

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, Yes, that's funny that that gladiator caught that

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Speaker 2: Woh the craziest part about this episode that kills me.

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Speaker 2: This is the cutest where to take a woman on

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Speaker 1: You know what was the cutest, Katie? When you wet

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Speaker 2: for your date. It's so stinking adorable. Yeah, but I

436
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: love this episode the most for the specificity of four thousand,

437
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty nine votes. Yeah, it just becomes

438
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 2: like so real in that the race was so close.

439
00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 2: It gives me such PTSD to like Bush Gore Florida

440
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: recount after recount and like, what the fuck happened?

441
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: And I don't even remember that shit, Katie, was that

442
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: a big recount? Shit? Yeah?

443
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: Well yeah, oh my god, you can watch the movie recount,

444
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: which is on HBO. This like resting thing just reminds

445
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 2: me so much of like the Bush Gore.

446
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: Also, those numbers are so specific. It reminded me a

447
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: lot of five hundred twenty five thousand, six hundred minutes,

448
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: five hundred twenty five thousand, moment five men. We did

449
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: this a million times on the set of Scandal.

450
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: But normally it would be like, I let I want

451
00:22:51,119 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: to go tonight tonight. Bush won by two hundred and

452
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: seventy one electoral votes and Gore had two seventy.

453
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: Oh shit, so.

454
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 2: It was a one point difference in the election. Oh,

455
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: which was why it was such a shit show.

456
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Katie, I didn't even remember that.

457
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: But so whenever I watched this episode, I'm like, oh

458
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: my god, I think of that, and then I think

459
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: about the goon table, the fucking goons who are playing

460
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 2: fits like a puppet. Yeah, and it was such a

461
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: close close call. But Restin, what we see in this

462
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: episode is how it personally destroyed the man. Yes, because

463
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: Joan Reston's whole monologue that she has is like her

464
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: whole life changed from the minute he lost by four

465
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty nine votes every single day of

466
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: her life since that election, and since that loss, she

467
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: hasn't been married to the same man and that's why

468
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: she's fucking the contractor.

469
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: Exactly, which, if you ask me, is a valid excuse.

470
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: And he's fat hair, he's got long hair. Awful, awful,

471
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: We're awful people.

472
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: What else do you remember? Whatever? What else are the

473
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: top scenes memories of this episode?

474
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: One of my top scenes is that scene with Melly

475
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: and Cyrus after Melly has a conversation with James, and

476
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: Cyrus is like, Melly, can I talk to you for

477
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: a second, And then he goes on and he has

478
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: this amazing, another beautiful monologue by Jeff Perry and it

479
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: was just so freaking good and dark and memorable. And

480
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: what does he say.

481
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: Mellie says, I'm a political animal, but Cyrus says, I

482
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: am a monster.

483
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, j And then he kind of walks away and

484
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: comes back and he's like, hey, but let's do that

485
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: dinner we talked about.

486
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely, double date, double date in the fucking residences like

487
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: duhlte yes. Edison comes in. He says, I'm going to

488
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: keep trying and trying, but Live is like, I'm not

489
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: gonna say yes yet because I'm not ready.

490
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: Can we just say real quick? Edison needs to fucking

491
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: kick Rocks man, like, get to step. And I'm so

492
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: over Edison. And it wasn't anything against Like the character

493
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: is a good guy, he's fucking hot as fuck, yes,

494
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: but he just there's no nuance there, there's no drama

495
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: like there is with Fits, right, so I think everybody's

496
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: just like, eh, just get the fuck out of the way, man, like,

497
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: keep it moving.

498
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: We don't want her to be with anyone else other

499
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: than Fits, So like, what are we doing?

500
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, And I think and Olivia feels that

501
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: way too. You feel that Olivia feels that way as well.

502
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: He had such a bad Twitter. What did they call him?

503
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: Oh yes, Senator pudding Pop.

504
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: You know why, Katie, You know why they call him that?

505
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

506
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: Because of because he resembles Bill Cosby.

507
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: That's why. Yes, that was why. And I can't even

508
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: believe I'm bringing up on this podcast. But hey, guys,

509
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: you're welcome. We talk about all the shit here. Oh see,

510
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: look they even put I'm showing you my photos. There's

511
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: all these side by side photos on Twitter of Noel

512
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: Lewis next to Bill Cosby.

513
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: My god, he looks a lot like him.

514
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: We love him and he's the most talented dude ever.

515
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, it's not him. It's the way

516
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: they wrote the character. And also, we are living in

517
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: a world where if you go against Olivia Pope, or

518
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: you go against Olivia and fits Olitz, you are hated.

519
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: You are hated with a capital age. I like that

520
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: You're watching the episodes and you're like, get him the

521
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: fuck d get him.

522
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: I was like, girl, what the fuck are you doing? Man,

523
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: get the fuck kick air acts, Senator Pudding Pop, I.

524
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Cannot put in pop?

525
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ.

526
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: And then Huckin' Suy Poor are on their way to

527
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: a fancy date.

528
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: Yes, they go to that restaurant. Which part of me

529
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: watching this shit, I was like, y'all, are they really

530
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: that dumb? Are hucking Becky that motherfucking dumb? She's like,

531
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: what is this? Bill and Bunkers and huck is like,

532
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I like a ginger ale and also a ginger ale

533
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: for her. I was like, oh Jesus.

534
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: Christ, Forrest Gump.

535
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening?

536
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: No, but you have to play into the comedy.

537
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, But Katie. Then there's that other

538
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: episode where Huck I don't remember which one it was,

539
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: where he walks up to you and you're at a

540
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: bar waiting to meet with someone with Katy and Wallace,

541
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: and Huck is like, she'll take a half finger pore

542
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: of the drink and no alcohol in it and put

543
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: your hair back and put He's like super savvy, and

544
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: in this scene he's like, I like, Jing Dorel.

545
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: You knew what to do at a restaurant. I don't

546
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: know how to read a maize.

547
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: Anyway, It's still so cute.

548
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes in television and for the sake

549
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: of the scene and the sake of a joke, don't

550
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: look too close.

551
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: Don't look too closely.

552
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: Yet it's not like we're Alison Janny like whatever, we're

553
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: not real actors. No, you are the realist factor. So

554
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: then we figure out after Lvia Pope has done everything

555
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: she can to help rest in which I feel like

556
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: she's helping him and going above and beyond because she

557
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: fucking rided the election and she feels really fucking bad

558
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: about it that she's ruined this entire I mean, not

559
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: only has she ruined the country, but in this episode again,

560
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: you get the idea that she's personally ruined somebody's life

561
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: and their marriage.

562
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: Well and also responsible for someone's death dying.

563
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god, I forgot that

564
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: that contractor was like a person.

565
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, all that beautiful hair gone, gone forever.

566
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: And possibly pubes.

567
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: But will can you say pubes on the podcast?

568
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: I think so love a pube. If my gray hair

569
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: right now is like pubes on my head, Oh my god,

570
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: that's the texture of it. You're welcome, everybody. So then

571
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: she realizes that Restin did know. On his desk, she

572
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: sees all these surveillance photos of his wife having sex

573
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: with the contractor, and we realize that he has sort

574
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: of played her and played this whole situation. Yes, yes,

575
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: and I wrote Olivia got played. And she does the

576
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: next twitch thing, the like little twitch thing she does

577
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: where she oh god, it's so good, oh so good,

578
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: And she got played, and like rest In is gonna

579
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: get out fine, and Joan is going to take the fall.

580
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, she kind of should, but she

581
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: was like, let me do this for you, let me

582
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 2: go to jail, and she does. And then we go

583
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: to Huck and Becky on the date in car, watching

584
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: people and spying.

585
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Huck realizes that he you know, the restaurant, taking

586
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: Becky to a fancy restaurant that's not him, so we

587
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: see him now. He takes her to where he goes

588
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: to watch a family. Creepy as fuck, but that's what

589
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: he likes to.

590
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: Do, stalking and you should be arrested and have restraining orders.

591
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Yes, and there's kids in that house, God damn it,

592
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: children anyway, but he's doing it lovingly of course, because

593
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't have his family. So he goes and finds

594
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: family and watches them and knows their whole backstory. And

595
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: then Becky is just like, oh, she's submitting.

596
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: Waitit, no, wait, does I can't remember this? Does Huck know, like,

597
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: did research on these families and he knows what they

598
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: really are into? Or is this like Huck builds a

599
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: whole fake imagination of what they are and what they do.

600
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: That's such such a good question, Katie, because I was

601
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: thinking about that too, and I was going back and forth,

602
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: but I sort of ended with I think I feel

603
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: like it's Huck, Like he's such a good detective and hacker,

604
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, everything he does that

605
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: he's found out all these true backstories of and and

606
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: sort of the schedules of the kids and which friends

607
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: come over for play dates and when they come over

608
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: and what they like to eat. I feel like he's

609
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: discovered all of it and figured it all out and

610
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: it's all real. That's sort of the way I looked

611
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: at it. But I hear what you're saying too. It

612
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: could be that he's just making it all up.

613
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: No, you're right. It's the better acting choice because what's

614
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: coming down the pike is really bad, and it's better

615
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: if you know them as real people.

616
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, and what you made up.

617
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: In your head, I think, mm hmm. Okay, So you're

618
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: watching these people and then you kiss without tongue.

619
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: And also yo without time but real quick in that scene,

620
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: there's like sandwiches on the dashboard? Is it bad that

621
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: watching this? I was like, ooh, what type of sandwich

622
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: was it? How did they leave that much sandwich without

623
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: eating it?

624
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: Come on, Well, they knew they were going to make out.

625
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: I knew they were going to make out.

626
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: Only time I don't eat that much is if I

627
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: know you're going to get like if I'm making out,

628
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: like for the first time. That's why the grilled cheese

629
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: scene in season one always bothered me because if someone

630
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: I was just fucking for the first time, I would

631
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: not be eating grilled cheese simultaneously.

632
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: It ate no dairy anywhere in the picture. You're with

633
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: some of the first time same.

634
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: Same I mean down the road, yes, yeah, someone I've

635
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: been with who cares, oh yeah, but someone you're having

636
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: sex with for the first time, I am not eating

637
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: simultaneously and definitely not a dairy.

638
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Product Jesus, because that's just like, oh my god. I remember, Katie.

639
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: We were all in New York and I was talking

640
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: with Adam and he said his first date with you,

641
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: that you guys spent like a whole weekend together or

642
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: something like a bunch of days together.

643
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: And he slept and he finally farted when.

644
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: He said when he went out, when he finally left

645
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: your place and was like on the corner hailing a cab,

646
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: that it was non stop farting.

647
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

648
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: He told me the story after we had like our

649
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: first weekend together, and he said, no, literally, I would

650
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: leave your apartment and it would just be.

651
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: Like, oh like that, Oh my.

652
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: God, because I had a studio, so It's not like

653
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: you could go just farted up in the bathroom because

654
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: you could hear it so like it was down a

655
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: hallway or like at a different part of the house

656
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 4: or a different floor.

657
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: Like my bed was a food in one room, and

658
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: my shower was growing mushrooms.

659
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up.

660
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding and not fun ones growing disgusting fungus

661
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: mushrooms out of the tiles around the shower, and we

662
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: didn't care. We still hooked up in there. It was disgusting.

663
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: I was disgusting. I was so broke, but we all.

664
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: Did that shit right, Like, you're not thinking about that stuff.

665
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I still drive by it. It hasn't

666
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: been demolished. It's still there. It was eight hundred dollars

667
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: a month, which I could afford.

668
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: How much do you think that apartment is right now?

669
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: Like probably like.

670
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: Two thousand, Yeah, which is ridiculous. It's one room. It's disgusting.

671
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: The water God was where in the city.

672
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: Was it in Hollywood? It was right by that seven

673
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: eleven on Melrose and Fuller.

674
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Oh, this was in La This is anything. Yeah, Yeah,

675
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: Kam and.

676
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: I met in La on Melrose and Puller. No, my

677
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: apartment in New York City was also disgusting, but it

678
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: was and it was a six floor walk up, but

679
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: it was really cool. It was like a pre war building,

680
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: brick walls, like, it was like a rent set. We

681
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: will be back with more after the break. Oh my god.

682
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: The end of this episode is such fire. It's one

683
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: of those classic wrap up, you know, the last three

684
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: minutes of Scandal where everything just gets like spun on

685
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: its head and all this kind of shit. And Abby

686
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: goes to see Dave and she knows that it's about

687
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 2: voting machines, and we see the end. We see that

688
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: Olivia is spying and listening to them, and Olivia says,

689
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: this one I handle alone. And she's listening on that bobblehead.

690
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Yes, this is where Bobblehead lives. Remember that hashtag bobblehead lives.

691
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: This is where Bobblehead lives was a hashtag on Twitter.

692
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

693
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: Did it started this episode? I think so, or maybe

694
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: when it came back around.

695
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: Maybe when it came back around, I don't remember, but

696
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: it certainly lived for me in this episode. It's so

697
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: fucking good. It's so shocking. And that Colin Douglas, the

698
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: guy that plays Steve Daugherty, Yes, that he's like dish

699
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: and all that dirt, and Livia is like, I got this,

700
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: I'll take care of these motherfuckers.

701
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: And now we see that Olivia knows that Abby's kind

702
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: of backs and playing both teams, and we know that

703
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: Abby and David aren't giving up, even though David's not

704
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: supposed to be working the Quinn case. And there's like

705
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: that little post it and we see that David was

706
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: supposed to have a meeting.

707
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: Yes, and Abby realizes that Huck and Olivia set up

708
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: that fake meeting.

709
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: With someone to tell him about it, to get him

710
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: off the trail, to get him off the set. Yes,

711
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: And then with David and Abby don't know is the

712
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: one further step that now Olivia is has them on

713
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: surveillance and is listening to every that is so fucked up.

714
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: It's so shady, Like how are these two women friends?

715
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: Like are you joking? How do you ever come back

716
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: from that? I know, like if a friend of mine

717
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: ever spied on me.

718
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be like it's over, It's over, and.

719
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: I'm calling the fucking police, like yeah, get out of here, Yeah,

720
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: what are you kidding?

721
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: But also let me look at the footage and if

722
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: I look cute, then I won't be that.

723
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: And also what do I sound like what I'm having?

724
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: Do I sound like?

725
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 4: Yeah?

726
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: I was I hot?

727
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: Did you Yes? All of those things? Okay. Fun facts

728
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: about the episode. Despite being named in the title All

729
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: Roads Lead to Fits, Fits isn't even in this fucking episode.

730
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: Right, He's not in it at all.

731
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: He's not in it.

732
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: Was there any episodes that you weren't in that Quinn

733
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: is not in?

734
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: I think there's three? Oh really three yes, because when

735
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: you go back to the trail, Oh wait, no, I

736
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: was in the trail. But any episodes that were major

737
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: flashbacks right before Quinn was around, there are some episodes

738
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: that I am not in.

739
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: Wow, wasn't that always trippy when we weren't in an episode?

740
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: Because there was like one or two that that Huck

741
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: was not in. But I was always like, I'm not

742
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: in this episode. I was always so offended at first.

743
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: I'd always be like boom, and then I would be like,

744
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 2: holy shit, I still get paid.

745
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and I got the week off.

746
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Like I just was like, oh my god,

747
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: Like this is the greatest gig that's ever happened. In

748
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: the history of the world. Let's quickly look at some

749
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: scandal tweets at the time, and then we got to

750
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: look at this actual real life scandal of the time.

751
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: You guys, know, what the fuck was going on at

752
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: the time that this episode aired. Tweetwetweet twe tweeted at

753
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: the time, tweets the.

754
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: Time, tweeted the time, y'all ready to listen?

755
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: Tweet tweet tweeters the tax.

756
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: Tweets at the time, y'all tweets of the time, This

757
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: lovely person Shanes at Lucky Shane's tweeted, is it just me?

758
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: Or has scandals screwed with my head? But I really

759
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: don't care if a government official is screwing around as

760
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: long as the job gets done. Amen. Remember the whole

761
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton scandal all that bullshit, and a lot of

762
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: people were like, who cares, Like at least he's getting

763
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: some as as long as he's doing a good job.

764
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: Well, it's been going on since the beginning of time,

765
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: and most places are like famous for it. Like I

766
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: feel like people specifically stay at Sandy Sidrow Ranch because

767
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: it's where JMKA was sleeping with fucking Marilyn Monroe.

768
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: Here, I didn't know that, Katie, really, yes, I want

769
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: to go stay there.

770
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: There's like tons of places like that that are like

771
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: this is where the president and their mistress like, oh show,

772
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: it's just like Bill Clinton's happened to come about in

773
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: a time where like the press found out and the

774
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 2: press is different than it was in the.

775
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: Fiftieth Yes, yeah, yeah yeah.

776
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: Lance Conley at d Q noop not to make light

777
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: of the situation, but how can the CIA director not

778
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: keep a secret? Sounds like he needs Olivia Pope to

779
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: step in. Wait, what's that about.

780
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: That's because there was a scandal happening simultaneously while scandal

781
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: was airing, during this episode, during this time where Petraeus

782
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: had chosen.

783
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: Who this leads us today?

784
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

785
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: God, this is right because Okay, now we're seeing these tweets.

786
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: Crystal Irbie Crystal loves Words tweeted, I know that Shonda

787
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: Rhimes is watching this Petreus story thinking, yes, what would

788
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: Olivia Pope do?

789
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: Yes, That's why I love.

790
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: When we talk about scandals that were actually real life

791
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: scandals happening at the time, because we always just used

792
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: to freak out that the show we were shooting sometimes

793
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: like the next week we would see such similar storylines

794
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: happening in the news.

795
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: That shit would be happening in real life. Yeah.

796
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: So the scandal of the time is an extra marital

797
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: affair between retired four star general and then director of

798
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: the Central Intelligence Agency aka the CIA, David am I

799
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: saying his last name.

800
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: Right, betray us, I think.

801
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 2: And PAULA. Broadwell became public information. The CIA director had

802
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: chosen Broadwell to be his official biographer, and FBI investigation

803
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: proved that they were involved in an extra marital affair,

804
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: after which he resigned as director of the CIA at

805
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: November ninth, twenty twelve.

806
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: But also like who cares? Like why? Like what was

807
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: the big deal? Right?

808
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: I feel like it makes things so much worse for

809
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: the family. I don't know, ah, I think it's because

810
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: we don't have Maybe this is like too deep, but

811
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: I feel like because our fucking country is wrapped up

812
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 2: in so much religion.

813
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: Yes, oh absolutely, you know a.

814
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: Fair are like such a sinful fucking thing and not

815
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: like they're not horrible and bad and they are. But

816
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: I think if we aren't honest with ourselves. I remember

817
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: when I was waitressing at this restaurant, in New York City.

818
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: I was twenty one. It was like my first like

819
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 2: big regular waitressing job. I was there for like three years,

820
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: and there were so many finance dudes who came with their.

821
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: Women mistresses, I bet right, and then they.

822
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: Would take their car services home to Darien or west

823
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: you know, Connecticut or Westchester or whatever. But it was

824
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: my first time ever being like, oh my god, like

825
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: did my dad cheat? Like this is like such a

826
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: normal thing.

827
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: Like I didn't realize.

828
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: That all of these maybe happily married men either have

829
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: understandings with their wives or they just don't talk, don't tell,

830
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: or is.

831
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: It on the down low. Yeah, if you're a.

832
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: Public figure and you're a president or a CIA charactor

833
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: or something, you are not allowed or I guess you're allowed.

834
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: You just better not have anyone fucking find out.

835
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, right right right, But I'm like, he's

836
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: getting the job done. That woman was retired, Like who can.

837
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: But I get why the optics of it are, you know,

838
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: not pleasant?

839
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like that's what I mean. I guess, like

840
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: who cares.

841
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if in Europe they're like, go ahead and

842
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: fuck whoever you want to fuck. We don't care.

843
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I bet they do.

844
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: Like in the political world.

845
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're commercials. I remember commercials and shows in

846
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: London have like way more sex and tits and like whatever,

847
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: or in Spain or like it just doesn't their standards

848
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 2: and practices and rules against that stuff are far more

849
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: lenient than ours are because we're like a puritan country

850
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: or whatever.

851
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: Totally, yeah, but I.

852
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: Think that goes the same as like no one in

853
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: our public, no one public facing in politics, is allowed

854
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: to do things like that. Although yeah, ween are just

855
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: sending fucking I've.

856
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: Been craving hot dogs lately. Katie's so bad, Like do

857
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: you like?

858
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: It's on to wrap it up? And I need to

859
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: be fed.

860
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: We eat to eat.

861
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: The sharks need to eat. Okay, okay, we love you

862
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: all and yeh. Next we're gonna be talking about episode

863
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: two oh six called Spies Like Us.

864
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Oh, that was such a good episode. I can't wait.

865
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: I can't wait. It's a classic classic.

866
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: Guermo Diaz and fucking Huck in all of his glory.

867
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so good, It's so good.

868
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 2: It's so so good, So please come back listen.

869
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 1: You will enjoy mm hm and we'll be talking some more,

870
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, tomfoolery and about food and sex and farts

871
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: and all that fun stuff. Y'all don't want to miss it.

872
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: You know, we crazy upper here.

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Speaker 2: We love you. Have a great week. Unpack them toolboxes.

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Speaker 1: Back them toolboxes. Y'all know y'all got some shady shit

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Speaker 1: up and them toolboxes. Unpacked that shit. I love you, Katie,

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Speaker 2: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

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