WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 8/21: Drake Maye's Progress, Three Up/Down from Training Camp, Players to Watch vs. Commanders 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.119 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.920 Lazar and Alex bar Blazarre and Lazarre. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:13.080 Hello, everybody nailed it? 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:19.680 Joined us Always buy an our Bara. Here is Evan 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.880 Lazar and Alex Bars. Joey Size jacked by the way, 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.200 Joey Size. So we talked to Joey Slid the other day. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.560 Super nice guy. We spent a lot of time talking 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.000 about golf, some of it how it relates to kicking, 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:32.280 but just also kind of golf. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.720 O't too long on this, you talked out, but fourteen minutes. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:36.519 It was absurd. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.200 It's great. We had great, great, We had a great copy. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.880 We looked over three times and Joey Slide was still 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:43.120 talking twenty. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.320 Twenty when he was enjoying himself a good conversation. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.640 It was a long time for Joey Slide. You guys. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.800 You guys were talking to Joey Slide for that might 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.520 have been one of the longest press conferences at the summer. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.920 I think Rees said it was his longest, like scrum ever. 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.200 But I will say this, we kind of so we 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.240 talked about golf, talked about the the competition, we talked 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.440 about kickoffs and We're all kind of standing. There goes 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:05.600 you guys, got anything else? Like he was ready for 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.319 more questions. We were like, no, we'll let you go. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:07.600 He was. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:08.720 He was ready to keep talking. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.399 We'll see you. You were ready to declare the kicker 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.000 competition over last week when I after the game on 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:19.000 Thursday night. Yeah, so we're we're getting there. We're we're 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.720 getting to that point. But it's Evanzar Alex Bars Patriots 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:24.839 catch twenty two. I wait you for the next couple 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.440 of hours. The Patriots will practice this afternoon, So of 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.399 course everything that we're about to say and is going 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.440 to go out of the door when Drake May throws 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.200 three picks in practice later today. No, I'm just kidding, but. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.440 I I everybody you hear that Evan says Drake May 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.360 is gonna melt down at practice. That's Drake May's biggest 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:43.800 defender saying he's about to melt down. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:45.600 We'll get trust me, we'll get to it. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:46.560 Mark the Dayton time. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.240 I think the biggest thing though, that that this is 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:51.720 not where I was going to start. But I'll just 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.840 say this really quickly. Off the top training camp and 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.320 I was just talking to Paul about this training camp 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:01.080 is so such a day to day grind. Yeah, that 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:06.640 the show that we did last week is so irrelevant 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.720 at this point coming off that joint practice almost like 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.880 it changes so quickly this time of year because you're 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:16.920 watching practice every single day. There's a lot of just 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.440 data that comes from that that it's different than the 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.320 regular season. The regular season, you have the same take 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.720 for a week, right because you don't see them again 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.160 until the next the following game day, so you have 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.760 the same take for a week, whereas in training camp 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:32.920 you can have a bad practice one day and you 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.560 follow that up with a good practice, then all of 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.639 a sudden, your mood changes. Everything kind of changes. We'll 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.320 get into more Drake May though, I want to talk 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.480 about that off the top of the show. 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It was that bad. It 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:35.360 was the panic was warranted. With that being said, the 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.520 big thing that I, I guess am getting at. You 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.800 mentioned to me early on in the show, and I 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.040 brushed you off because I didn't A didn't want admit 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.320 I was wrong, and B I didn't want to get 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.040 bogged down by an old argument that we've had a 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:49.640 million times. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.760 It was really A, you didn't want to admit you 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.839 were wrong. B you didn't want to admit I was right. 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.040 No, I had nothing to do with that. Now, I 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.920 admit when you're right, when you're right, But I didn't 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.000 want to get bogged down in an argument that we 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.800 always get bogged down. So I just was trying to 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.240 move us along as well. But with that being said, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.800 you know I'm a big Rocky fan, So just okay, 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.440 wait with the analogy here for a second. That was 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.480 the first time that I was afraid. First time I 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:23.080 was afraid watching that offensive line against Jordan Davis and 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.800 Jalen Carter and all those the freaking monsters that the 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.120 Eagles have on the defense of the line. That was 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.640 the first time. If you want to really break me down, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.600 if you want to get to the core of the issue, 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.200 I was afraid, Adrian. I was afraid, all right. And 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.960 I watched this happen and I was shell shocked from it. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.960 I was like, oh no, this is worse than I thought, Like, 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.039 they can't put him behind this line the way that 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:54.680 it is right now. And then the game happened on 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.560 Thursday night, and all of my priors about Drake May 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.720 and how I felt his physical talent would just kind 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:09.640 of win out in the end with his development all 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.240 came to fruition in a lot of ways. And I 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.440 get it. It wasn't perfect, and we're making a lot 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.200 out of a six four eleven for forty four yard performance, 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.560 but you saw all the flashes of what I have 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.200 been saying about him for months, which is that if 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.839 I was an offensive coordinator, if I was Alex van Pelt, 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.040 Drake May is the quarterback I would want to draft 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:36.680 because he is every offensive coordinator's dream. Yeah, there's some 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.320 rough things around the edges that they got to clean 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.279 up and they got to fix. But his ability with 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.400 his arm talent to access any quadrant of the field. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:50.880 There's no throw or no play call that's off the 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.039 books because he can't get it there. He can throw 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.000 the ball outside the numbers from the middle of the field. 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.120 He can drive the ball on the backside, dig through 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.440 the middle of the field. He can hit the post 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.840 fifty yards down the field on a dime. He can 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.360 do it all. He has mobility, instructural mobility, and off 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.360 script mobility. We saw zone read right on the goal line. 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.839 You have that at your repertoire. Now you have the 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.200 ability for him to run around and make plays off 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.040 script if he has to. You have every single button 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.720 that you would want to possibly push as an offensive coordinator, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.920 you can push with Drake May as your quarterback. And 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:30.920 now we're in like the training montage scene of Rocky three, right, 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.320 or we haven't. We haven't rased Apollo yet on the beach. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.240 We haven't gotten back in the ring with Clubber. But 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.840 we're like we're in the montage where I have the 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.560 tigers like starting to play a little bit in the background, right, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.240 and he's doing the jump ropes and Apollo Creed's like, 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.320 I have the Tiger. I the tiger, right, and he's 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.279 doing the speedbag and and all this kind of stuff. 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.479 And now now my mojo's back a little bit. I'm like, 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.120 all right, wait a second here, maybe I wasn't all 0:06:55.120 --> 0:07:00.520 that wrong. And now we're at the point where I 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:05.240 just feel like we can compromise. How's that Because I'm 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.919 a fair guy, all right, So we can compromise for 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.720 all the people that are out there that And we 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.560 argued about this plenty in the off season, and this 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.040 was sort of our dead period topic of conversation. A 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:22.000 lot of shows we can compromise. I'll give you to 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:22.560 week five. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.400 That's okay, So it's funny you say that. I didn't 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.960 want to interrupt that take give me one second, but 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.160 mark that concept of week five though. 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:31.680 Just keep that. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.760 I'll give you to week five, okay, okay, I would 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:35.360 do week one. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:35.880 You know me. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.800 I've been Week one since April. Finish the take in all. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:40.600 I think week five. It's funny. I was going to 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.320 come in here saying Week five two, and I have 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:42.960 my reasons. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.280 So Week five gets everybody what they want. It gives 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.760 them a month to sort of figure everything out offensively. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.960 We hear all the time that from Belichick and the 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.520 Belichick days that September has now turned into an extension 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.200 of the preseason. You're figuring out who you are, You're 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.280 figuring out your best combinations, You're figuring out what scheme 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.720 and what your identity is going to be offensively. So 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:14.240 let Jacobi Brissett be the test dummy, right. Let him 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.600 go out there and settle down the offensive line, figure 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.720 out how they need to play to win football games, 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:25.480 figure out their identity offensively, get through a gauntlet to 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.800 start the season a little bit there. Bengals, Seahawks, Jets, Niners, 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:34.839 really good defenses, Big lou in Week one. McDonald now 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.200 out in Seattle. These are guys that know how to 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.599 spin the dial on quarterbacks and how to get after quarterbacks. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.280 Last point I'll make and then you can jump in here. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.680 That basically puts Drake May into a college football season 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.000 where he's playing thirteen games, which is right around where 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.080 he how many games he played the last two years 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:01.000 at North Carolina twelve and fourteen two years ago because 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.640 he had the ACC camp and the bowl game, So 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:08.559 fourteen two years ago twelve last year. So we talk 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.400 about the rookie wall and just the length of the 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.560 season that's so much longer in the NFL, and the 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.520 mental grind that that can be. So now in week five, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.240 we've gotten through the first month to get everything hopefully 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.000 settled down. We figured out our best five along the 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.680 offensive line, we know who our receivers are going to be, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.720 we know what the play calling is going to look like. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.880 We've gotten through the gauntlet. We've gotten Drake May over 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.880 the rookie wall and into a more college football esque season. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.960 And I get what I want because I get Drake 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.319 May out there for the majority of the season. So 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:49.199 that's my compromise to end our argument of all arguments 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.240 finally of when he should play, and to the listeners 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.280 out there and to the people out there that are 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.680 worried about him playing behind this line and everything week five. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.800 Any longer than that to me is dragging your feet 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.880 and wasting time. And I think a lot of the 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:10.560 things that we see with Drake when it comes to footwork, timing, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.440 you know, drop back, sinking to his routes, like all 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.959 those different things that you know, the JT. Osullivan's and 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.360 the Dan Orlovski's and all these people harp on a 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.120 lot Chris Sims, those things, to me, are only going 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.559 to improve by playing. I don't see how you improve 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.920 his decisiveness, his ability to sync up with the routes, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.160 his ability to drop back pass on a five step 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.040 drop and hit a hitch you know, in time and 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:38.800 all that. I don't know how you do all that 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.520 kind of stuff and train all that kind of stuff 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.400 in practice, because it doesn't move the same in practice. 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.680 The speed of the game is not the same. So 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.120 that's why I've always thought that he should play. And 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.560 I think what we saw last Thursday night was that 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:57.280 he has enough of the baseline foundational stuff that it's 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.400 not going to be a disaster if he plays. So 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:00.880 Week five is my compromise. 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.200 What say you, So, you made a lot of good 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.480 points in the college football element of that is excellent. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.800 Didn't expect that to be a good college football take things? Yeah, 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.000 so I And at the same time, and this is 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.560 where I'll come back the other way. Well, let me 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.839 start here to your point of that that stuff doesn't 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.400 get improved in practice. I think it can improve in 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:23.760 practice to an extent. Now, yes, eventually you got a play. 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:28.040 But that's where Gerard Mayo talked about this. I think 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.320 it was Monday right, that it's important for Drake May 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.040 to get reps with the starters, to build chemistry with them. Yeah, 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.640 and he still hasn't done that, and you've kind of 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.600 run out of time for that to happen in terms 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.840 of week one. So that's where if he was going 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.280 to start week one, I think they would have had 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.920 to start this process a while ago. I yeah, I'm 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.600 with you. I still think taking time to figure out 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.520 the offensive line, figure out your offensive identity, get guys 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.480 healthy too. I think, you know, potentially having Kendrick Borne back, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.160 maybe not by week five, but yeah, relatively early in 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.600 Drake May's tenure, Hunter Henry, if he's going to miss time, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:08.680 I think there is value in that. I will say 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.360 on the flip side, where I've kind of come back, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.400 I was more you know, week ate nine, ten, where 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.040 I'm now looking at that week five, really weeks five 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.559 or six, however you want to split it, is the 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.520 locker room. I think Drake May is starting to prove 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:26.280 to guys that they can win with him, that he's 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.040 a guy that's gonna make them competitive. And we did 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.320 this with Mac Jones and Bailey's Appy last year. I 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.640 know this is something Scott Zolak has been very big on. 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.400 The guys in that locker room, the other fifty one 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.319 guys outside of Jacoby and Drake May, and I call 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.839 it forty nine take out Joe, Milton, Bailey's Appy, right, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.280 those other forty nine guys outside of the quarterbacks, they 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:47.280 I don't want to say they don't care about the 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.280 development of Drake May, but they want to play, they 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:52.959 want to win, they want to put up numbers, they 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:55.719 want to get paid. All of that. They ultimately want 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.079 the guy out there that's going to give them the 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.360 best chance to achieve their goals. Yeah, and if the 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.280 locker room leaves, Drake May as that guy more so 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.200 than Jacober said, and they can believe both of themore. 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:06.120 But if the locker room starts to believe Drake May 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.240 is that guy morened Jacober said. If the locker room 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.160 believed Coober, sat isn't going to get them there. And 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.120 he's had a rough week week and a half here. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.120 That's gonna put a lot of pressure on the coaching staff. Now, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:16.920 for that to happen, Drake May had to give them 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.120 something to believe in. And I think over the last 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.640 week you've seen that for the first time, and that 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.480 to me is a major change. And I talked about this, Evan, 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.320 if you remember go before camp about the golfer Drake 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:29.800 May was not to win the starting job. Would be 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.679 great if he did, but the goldfer Drake May was 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.560 not to win the starting job. The golfer Drake May 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.000 was to put pressure on the coaches, put pressure on 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:41.400 the organization and close that window, decrease that timeline that 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.160 the coaches had to sit him. He has started to 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:48.040 do that. Now, why week five I think is perfect. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.439 He's not gonna like you can even admit, he's not 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.560 gonna be ready for week one in the sense that 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.160 what is he really going to accomplish working with the 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:03.080 starters for the first time in three practices and at 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.120 best half a preseason game. Is he going to get 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.800 the kind of chemistry that he needs with that group 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.760 in the next four days? He's not, I think, would 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:12.400 you agree with that? 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.240 Well, yeah, but they do have two more weeks after that, 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.920 Like they're gonna have all week next week and all 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:17.880 week the following week. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.960 But you need to decide who your starter is before that, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.600 because you're not gonna you need to prepare for the game. 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.040 You don't Sundays, not when when the game starts. The 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.560 game starts the week before, so realistically, it's three practices 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.040 in the game, so he's not gonna have time to 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.160 do that. I also just don't think you want and 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.200 Dungeon Kobe Ver said that sends a really bad message, 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.760 and Seattle Mike McDonald good defense, all of that home 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.000 opener too, Like, yeah, i'd sit him there. Then you 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.000 have a short week ye against one of the best 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.200 defense in football, even if he looks ready. Short week, No, 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.680 give him the full week to prepare. You're doing the 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.600 kid a disservice at that point. And then after that, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.239 you've got to go all the way across the country. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.359 I do too, Like you're yeah, I know you're telling. 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.640 Me so tough. Evan has to travel and watch football games. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.080 You've got to go all the way across the country 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.160 to play with what I believe, Evan is the best 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.680 defense in football. If they're not number one their top three, right, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.160 and that's it. That's a tough sell too, and just 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.760 a super Bowl team. And I don't really care what 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:21.880 the offense does, but. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.240 I'm just better than you. 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.000 Then you come home, you have two games against Miami 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.640 and Houston, who are decent teams but manageable. You're not 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.800 really gonna find a soft saw spot in the schedule 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.040 unless you wait till December, which we both agree is 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.360 way too long. So the way I look at it, 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.360 first two weeks, let the kid watch and observe. You 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.000 have a short week to get ready for the Jets. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.320 That's just a fire drill. You then have some more 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:51.120 time you can start to prepare Drake May and still 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:55.240 give Jacoby Brissett a full week of preparation for that 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.880 Niners game. Maybe if it turns into a blowout, maybe 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.600 Drake May even gets his late in that game against 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.080 the Niners. And if you like what you see week 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.640 five against Miami, boom, there you go. I think that. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.040 And if you don't like what you see one more 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.680 week Houston, then it gets a little weird. I don't 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.320 love his first start being overseas if they're gonna lose 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.400 a day of practice on the travel and then you 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.440 get to an easier stretch. This is like the worst 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:27.000 case scenario eight nine, ten Jets Titans, Bears. That's like 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.400 the absolute latest. Yeah, he should come in, but week 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.760 five against Miami, for a lot of reasons, makes a 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.280 lot of sense if you have to push it to 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.320 week six against Jacksonville. But to me, that's the window, 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.960 and I think he's done that what he needed to do, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.480 and assuming he continues to do it of putting the 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.720 pressure on the coaching staff to make the move sooner 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.800 rather than later, especially if Jacoby burs said isn't playing well. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.840 Yeah, all great points, And I have one more thing 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.000 that I want to get to because it just it 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.280 irks me. It's probably just a me thing, But I 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.040 have to get on the soapbox for a second here, 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.040 But I do want to let you guys know that 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.080 the phone lines are open. Eighty five to five PATS 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.440 five hundred is the phone number. Web radio at Patriots 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.080 dot com is the email address if you want to 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.680 jump into the conversation. We have some emails that we'll 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.239 get to here in a second after we finish our 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.760 opening thoughts and all that kind of stuff. But one 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.000 last thing, because this is it just gets under my 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.840 skin and I just have to to get this off 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:31.760 my chest. I feel as though the commentary on Drake, 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:40.959 may mostly nationally but just in general, is so contradictory, 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.919 and it bugs me. It irritates me. I'll give you 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:49.040 some examples, like I always look at this whole situation, 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:50.680 and somebody told me to look at it this way 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.679 when it comes to scouting, Like there's macro level issues 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.040 and there's micro level issues. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:55.280 Right. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.080 Macro level issues are for quarterbacks to me, are just 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:00.720 like the physical trait. It's like you have to have 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.679 the requisite arm talent you want him to be on 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.000 the you know, the bigger side of things, like the 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.040 Drake is six foot four and a half two hundred 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.359 and twenty five pounds, like you want to have those 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.760 boxes checked. I'm from a physical standpoint, and then what 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.920 I would call just like a general understanding of the position. 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.560 This is not a pro day, right, We're not routes 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.399 against air, right. This is football, the tackle football. So 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.480 you have to have a general feel for an instinctual 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.119 feel for the game and coverages and reading defenses and 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.840 just knowing ball security like all that kind of stuff. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:37.640 It's a general feel for the game. Another example, Zack 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:42.560 Wilson checked all the physical boxes, right, But Zack Wilson doesn't. Yeah, 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.320 but Zack Wilson doesn't have all that like innate instinct 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.439 for the position, right. He doesn't. He doesn't understand, like 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.840 he doesn't look like a football player, Like he looks 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.520 like somebody who's lost most of the time. When I 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.199 watched Drake May he obviously checks all the physical boxes 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.199 that you're looking for, but I also see just a 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:05.520 general understanding of how to play the position at a 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.480 high level. Just a couple examples from the game. We 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.560 all have broken down or seen the incut to Javon 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.680 Baker a million times at this point, and that's a 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.080 full field progression. You know, he goes through the progression 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.560 on time. He hits the backside dig route. That's an 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:24.240 NFL play. Put that up there, that's the NFL concept. 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.639 That's an NFL staple play in the West Coast offense, 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.440 and that's him running it at a high level. The 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:32.920 deep bomb to Javon Baker later on in the game, 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.680 that is a pretty exotic coverage for a preseason game. 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.760 By that Vic Fangio called that is a he calls 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.840 it tricks, And what it is is it looks like 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.640 it's middle of the field open, too high safety, And 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.000 what happens is is that they have an adjustment. When 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:52.840 you get middle of the field open and you have 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.919 a crossing route from number three or number two on 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.600 the inside, usually middle of field open signals that you're 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.000 gonna throw the ball in that area, right, You're gonna 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.440 throw the crosser, or you're gonna throw whatever is, you know, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.680 over the middle of the field. And so what Fangio 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:07.800 has is he has a backside tag for the safety 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.320 called tricks that that safety now is actually going to 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.600 almost turn into a robber like he would in one 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.240 rad or one robber, and he's gonna jump that crossing ground. 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.000 So what that leaves is that leaves the backside receiver, 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.600 the ex receiver on the backside. He is now one 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.680 on one without any help in the middle of the field. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.320 So Drake May reads out this entire thing and then 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.840 recognizes that Javon Baker is one on one down the 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.520 field without a post safety up top right, and he 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:41.800 rips the post. That's a pretty advanced level nuanced coverage 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.040 to be reading out that he read out at a 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:49.000 high level, so he has a lot of that innate ability, 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:54.640 baseline level knowledge of how to read defenses, so all 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.399 the micro level things that people nitpick him on. And 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.280 I felt this way during the pre draft process too. 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.320 It bugged me then too because it was like, what 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:07.120 are we talking about here, Like we're saying that this 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.440 guy is going to be a bust because he took 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.840 a three step drop instead of a five step drop 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:15.800 and has dropped it in time up with the routes, 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:17.959 Like you don't think that's coachable, Like you don't think 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.600 that that's going to be fixed. It's already getting fixed. 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.440 Like we're already seventy five percent of the way there. 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.920 You know, people harve a lot on his throwing motion. 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.720 Is you know, he he dips the ball, maybe a 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.880 little bit more. It's a little longer than what you want. 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.800 That's another thing that over time is just it's not 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.679 a big issue. It's just not especially when you have 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:41.840 the type of arm talent that he has, Like if 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.399 you had an arm that was worse than his, like 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.200 below average arm talent, and you have a long motion, 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.040 and now you start to worry about him being able 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.639 to hit tight windows, right, because it takes forever for 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.720 the ball to come out and then there's no heat 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.920 on the ball. He doesn't have that issue. So we're 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:01.879 talking about like processing, anticipation, drop timing, sinking routes with 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.960 the dropbacks, like all of these quarterback minutia, like all 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:10.560 this detailed, nuanced type of stuff. And sometimes and I'm 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.959 I'm also really guilty of this because it's just in 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.280 when you when you're a film junkie, this just happens. 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.040 You don't necessarily see the forest for the trees, right, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.480 Like you're you're so caught up in the film, in 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:24.600 the details of the film, I try to tell you, 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.159 and you're you're watching his footwork and you're like, oh 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.879 wait a second. You know, on this drop here, like 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.560 his foot is like pointed, like you know, forty five 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.399 and I'd really like it to be at ninety and 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:38.040 you're in, you're like making all these things up on 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.840 the fly. That is just not going to be the 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:44.160 reason why he passes or fails in the NFL. And 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:48.560 when I hear commentary about Drake may I see a 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.840 lot of that type of nitpicking about his footwork, his 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:55.080 drop back timing, you know, all this kind of stuff, 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.800 and I'm just like, really like, you don't think that 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.600 this is gonna get fixed, Like with all of the 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:06.200 resources at his disposal disposal Now you have private quarterback coaches, 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.280 you have offensive coordinators, you have quarterback coach here in 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.840 New England, you have all this hierarchy of people that 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.239 are going to help him through this process. And what 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.919 I've seen from him from start to finish a training campus, 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.120 he's already making strides in these areas like it's already better, 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.399 yeah than it was in college, and it was already 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:25.400 it's already better than it was three weeks ago, and 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:28.040 it's just gonna keep on improving. I'm not telling you 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.320 he's gonna never make a mistake or never have a 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.959 bad game or never you know, have issues in the NFL. 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.960 There's obviously gonna be bumps along the road. But I 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.200 just don't I don't know if it does any good 0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:44.760 for people to break down his tape like that and 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:48.200 dissect it in such detail. I don't know if that's 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.600 actually telling the right story. And that That's where I've 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.040 always been with Drake. And the last thing I'll say 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:58.280 is just with Caleb Williams, in the game. The other day, 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.679 I actually watched a lot of Caleb william tape just 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.199 out of curiosity. I love Caleb Williams. I had him 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:04.919 as the number one quarterback in the draft. He was 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.320 a surefire slam dunk, number one overall pick to Chicago. 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.040 He has as many rookie mistakes on his film as 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:14.800 Drake May does. Nobody is out there saying that it's 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.560 crazy that Chicago's going to start him week one, that 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:22.240 that's it's almost a given, Like no one is think 0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.159 thinks that even is remotely controversial that he's going to 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:29.440 start week one, even though he's missing reads and doing 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.560 things that rookie quarterbacks do and he's got a ways 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:36.639 to go. Everybody is just in agreement that that's a 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.760 consensus that he should start week one. But then when 0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.040 Drake May misses a read, it's like, well, this is 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.280 why he needs to sit for a year, and it 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:48.320 just isn't consistent. So you're gonna hear a lot of commentary. 0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.159 It's a long way away of saying that I have 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:52.760 all the respect in the world for a lot of 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:54.919 these guys that do it. You know that break down 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:58.080 the film on the national stage I love all of it. 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:00.200 I eat all of it up, I watch it myself, 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:04.040 but don't lose sight of the big picture here, just 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:09.120 because there's little under the hood. There's like little minutions 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.440 of his game that need to be cleaned up. That's 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.080 what they are. It's not macro level, it's micro level. 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.520 And I just hate that we harp on the micro 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.200 so much and point to these as like fatal flaws, 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:23.240 like this is why he's gonna stink is because of 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.640 you know, footwork rhythm issues. It's like that will come 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.720 in time, and that's why I want him to play, 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:31.399 because I feel like it will come in time faster 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.840 and more seamlessly if he plays. I don't know how 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.880 you get him to play more in rhythm and on 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:42.560 time with his feet by watching Jacob were said on 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:43.560 the sideline. 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:44.840 Well, I cause see I'm doing in practice. 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.920 Yeah, but it's that's practice. Like what we saw from 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:52.840 the practice, recent practices last week before the Thursday night 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.320 game and then the Thursday night game is that it's different, 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:57.240 Like he is a different He was a different dude 0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.679 on Thursday night than he was in the joint practice 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:01.400 on two day. You know, when you're in the red 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.360 non contact jersey. When you're doing all these different things 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:08.280 in practice, it's just it's a different animal than the game. 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.480 Well, okay, but do you think he's doing it? He 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:13.960 could be better at it in practice, right, yes? 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:14.240 Or no? 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:16.520 He can get these things you're talking about. 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.600 He can get better at it, But I don't really 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:22.639 think you truly know if he's there, and if he's. 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.720 Not right, why not wait until he's at a level 0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.280 at practice that you're comfortable with it before you put 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:29.520 him in the game. That's what I'm saying, Like he 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.479 can you're acting like they're just going to leave him 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.520 in the locker room during practices for those first No. 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.680 I'm not acting like that. But I feel like he's 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.800 already shown that he's that he's pretty much there in practice, 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:45.800 especially post Eagles game, you know, like since these last 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:47.680 handful of practices, and we'll see what it looks like 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:49.800 for the rest of this week and on Sunday. But 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:54.040 if if his momentum is still pointing upwards by the 0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:56.160 time we get through that Commander's game on Sunday night, 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.080 I feel like he's already achieved that, Like he's already 0:26:58.119 --> 0:26:58.800 checked that box. 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.720 Like I I would just I would just one what 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:04.520 get the offensive line figured out? 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:07.639 Yeah? No, that, But I'm talking about just about him being. 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.960 Already Yeah No, I think Look, it's our job to 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:11.560 talk about what we see and that comes with the 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:13.240 good and the bad, and there are parts of his 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.280 game that need to be improved. It's about understanding that 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:18.000 in context. Yeah, saying that you know there are things 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.320 that could be better doesn't mean he's going to be bad. 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.640 That's just there's no such thing as a perfect prospect, right, 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.320 He's got to continue to get better and there are 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.920 things he needs to get better at, but that doesn't 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:31.600 mean he's not going to be good. There are things 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.400 a lot of players need to get better at, even 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:38.399 good players need to get better at. So I yeah, 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.199 I I I'm with you in that. Maybe some of 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.840 it gets gets carried away. I think maybe the organization's 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.240 under a little bit more of a spotlight in terms 0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.120 of quarter develop quarterback development, considering how the last three 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:53.600 years have gone. Yeah, albeit it's a new coaching staff 0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.440 and they weren't necessarily the ones he's leading the way 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.159 making those decisions the last three years. But it's just 0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.480 about understanding it context saying there's things he needs to 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:05.280 improve on, and saying, you know, he has a chance 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.439 to be a really good NFL quarterback. Those two are 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:08.639 not mutually exclusive. 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.000 Yeah, last thing on this and then we'll move on 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.040 the other thing that I really feel strongly about with 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:18.680 this is that when we started doing this, you know, 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.440 covering the team and covering the draft and watching prospects 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:27.359 and having takes on prospects. The person that changed it 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:31.159 all for me, really two quarterbacks changed it all for 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:35.080 me with quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Right, those two guys, 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:41.440 traditionally speaking, especially Josh Allen, I just didn't see it 0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:43.920 with in the draft. I was like, there's this is 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.479 too much of a project, Like there's too many broken parts. 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.320 This is too much of a project. It's gonna take. 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.160 It's gonna be an absolute outlier if this guy succeeds. 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.720 What I feel like we've learned about quarterbacks and all 0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.080 this it relates to all like the minutia and the 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:01.200 details and the nuance as I was just talking about, 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.440 with all of his footwork and all this crap. Right, 0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.920 the game has evolved. The game has evolved at that position. 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:13.040 It's no longer and I'm not saying that stuff isn't important, 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:17.040 so don't get me twisted. But the quarterbacks that are 0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:21.160 playing in today's NFL that are succeeding are no longer 0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:24.160 in the Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees archetype, right, 0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:29.840 like those guys that were dominant pre snap, extremely fast 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.960 dies and extremely fast processors, deadly accurate like all that 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.960 kind of stuff that we saw with those three Hall 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:41.000 of Famers pocket passers, right that were just at another 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.719 level in terms of that. Now, when you look at 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:48.000 these quarterbacks that are succeeding in the league twenty plus 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:55.040 years later, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Justin Herbert 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.160 Jalen Hurts, you know, the list goes on and on. 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:03.600 Those guys don't always play from perfect bases and platforms 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.800 with their feet. They don't always throw the ball, you know, 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.920 over the top Brady style, like we were so trained 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.440 from a young age here to think that's the way 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.120 you throw a football. I would also throw, you know, 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.400 in this other category, I would throw Aaron Rodgers in 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.280 there too, because he doesn't play the quote unquote right 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:26.520 way either. So all these old like quarterback tropes that 0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.280 we are so used to these guys don't play that 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:33.640 way anymore. And I think the part that confuses me 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.640 is that when Jordan Love drops back to pass and 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.160 throws one of his like fadeaways that's become like a 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:44.040 staple of his game, everybody goes crazy about it, right, 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.080 Like it's like, oh my God, Like, look at that 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.440 he threw forty yards off his back foot with a 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:53.160 pressure in his face. This is incredible, And nobody talks 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.880 about the fact that his feet aren't right on the play, 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.840 Like it doesn't come up. It doesn't come up that 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.280 Aaron Rodgers throws off of both feet off the ground 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.600 like it because throwing dimes, So like what difference does 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.440 it make how he throws? And I feel like that's 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:10.920 the same thing with Drake May, Like the people are 0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.760 trying to turn him into this like precision pocket passer 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.400 where he's brady and he's like reading out coverages and 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:22.440 he's pre snapped dominating and he's perfect mechanically, and like, 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:26.240 that's just not quarterback play anymore. It's not gonna be Caleb, 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.280 it's not gonna be Jaden Daniels, it's not gonna be 0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:30.760 Drake May. Like that's not what it's gonna be anymore. 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:32.840 So I feel like we have to adjust a little 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:33.760 bit in that regard to. 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.200 All Right, I'm off my Just one thing I'd add 0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.880 to that is some of those guys you named were 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.520 not highly regarded coming out of college, even if they 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.440 were first round picks, they weren't necessarily consensus first round picks, 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.120 or people thought there was a mistake or in the 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.600 pick or whatever, and the teams did a great job 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.920 of developing those players. Yeah, goes back to another draft 0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:59.720 staple of mind, especially when it comes to quarterbacks, nature 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:04.560 verse nurture. Drafting the right guy is only half the battle. 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.560 You've got to put him in a place to succeed 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.000 when it comes to guys like Josh Allen, when it 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.000 comes to guys like Jordan Love, even Justin Herbert, who 0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.080 a lot of people were not high on coming out 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.320 of Oregon. And I would say all those teams, at 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:19.520 least the Bills did for a time, But all of 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:21.920 those teams did a great job of doing what was 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:26.360 best for those quarterbacks and not fighting them in their development. 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:28.080 And for. 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:33.160 Actually I think all three of that, well, Herbert's situations different, 0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:35.920 but for all three of them. Essentially, they were ready 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:37.560 for them to start the season on the bench, in 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.960 Love's case, multiple seasons, Herbert. They were ready and then 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.000 the training staff stabbed Tyrod Taylor. And I think Josh 0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.040 Allen didn't start what the first like three or four 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:47.640 games of his rookie or something like that. 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:49.560 He came in like the third week. 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:50.880 Of the Yeah, so it wasn't a long time, but 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:52.240 they were ready to sit him on the bench because 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.520 that's what they felt was best. Now, there's other guys 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:56.920 that are good that started right away, and maybe that's 0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.320 what those teams felt were best. There were also some 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.400 guys that sad and that wasn't what was best for them. 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.200 And there are some guys that started right away and 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.880 that wasn't what was best for them. So I get 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:07.880 the point you're making about quarterback play is going to 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:09.760 look different, But I also think the lesson be learned 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:16.960 there is they Drake May. You can't put his development 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.600 in a box and say, all right, what the Bills 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.000 did with Josh Allen, do that, what the Packers did 0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.320 with Jordan Love do that? And if it doesn't look 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.920 like that, oh everything's going wrong. No, you've got to 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.120 let him dictate it and put him in a position 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.320 to succeed. That is really the old That's what it 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.680 comes down to developing a quarterback. You've got to let 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.800 the quarterback dictate the timeline and you've got to put 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:42.800 him in a position to succeed rather than trying to 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:44.680 put him in a box that he doesn't fit in. 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:48.280 So far, I think they've done more good than bad 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.000 with that with Drake May. I would say there's some 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:52.080 things I don't love. 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.600 I've liked how they've coached him on the on the details, 0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.000 I think mechanically. 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.080 Like working with him individually, they've done a very good job. 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.640 I would have liked to see him get some even 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.320 if their low impact reps, get some more reps with 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.759 that starting offensive line, just to build his confidence. You 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.200 could tell he was a little shaken early in camp 0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.800 playing behind what was really the third string offensive line 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:16.520 when the starters are out and the backups are with 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.839 the starters. But I think they've done so far. And 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:22.400 they went out and tried to get him Brandon Ayuk 0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:24.640 and know they didn't, But I think they've done a 0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:28.960 decent job so far of the development part with Drake May, 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:30.279 which is going to be important. 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.680 In those Yeah, I agree. I feel as though that 0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:35.000 they've done a pretty good job with him in terms 0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:39.200 of the quarterback coaching elements of it. Yeah, I feel 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:43.440 like his footwork has improved, and mechanically he has improved, 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.480 especially becoming more of like a rotational thrower. I think 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.040 that has gotten better for him. He's got a long 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.200 way to go, but I give them credit for that, 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.239 and I honestly would part of the reason why I 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.600 feel like it has improved too, is that it's improved 0:34:58.600 --> 0:34:59.600 with Joe Milton. 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:01.879 Also, yeah, yeah, no Van Pelt so, so. 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.080 Whatever they're doing with both of those guys who are 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.240 both these raw tools. You know, I hate using project 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:10.080 in Drinks May's terms, but just developmental guys. 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.960 Oh, there's there's different levels of projects. Yeah, Like you know, 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:17.640 there's fixing a cabinet door and finishing your basement, like. 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.520 Right, And I feel like projects both of those guys 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.799 look better than they did in college. Like, yes, Joe 0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:28.960 Milton's pocket movement is night and day, night and day 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:30.200 from where he was at Tennessee. 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:32.880 Yeah, and so it's funny I got to call about 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.799 this on the Hub over the weekend. Somebody is just 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.279 unhappy with with Van Pelt and with the offense has 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:40.960 looked like as a whole, and basically asking, you know, 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:43.880 did they make a mistake? Does his offense not work? 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.879 And I've seen this sentiment out there from some Patriots fans, 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.520 like second guessing the Alex van Pelt higher because of 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:54.040 the performances of the offense as a whole, not just quarterback. 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.040 I get that the offense really hasn't looked great for 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:57.560 most of the summer, But what I would say is 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.879 when it comes to the design, the schematics, the play 0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:05.359 calling of it, you can't judge Van Pelt yet because 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:08.520 they're not running his offense. They're running a very stripped 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:12.120 down Madden Playbook like simplified version of it, because that's 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.879 what every team does in the preseason. You're not gonna 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:18.080 put your offense on tape at this point, nobody does that. 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.359 That's not saying we can't judge him for it once 0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.719 the regular season starts and they are running it. But 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.200 the only thing you can judge Van Pelt on really 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:29.280 to this point is quarterback development, and in that regard, 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.400 I think he's done a great job. 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.920 Yeah, I have a take on the scheme itself, but 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:37.120 there's an email about it, so we can take let 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:39.960 that to us off. But let's take these phone calls first. 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:41.680 And these people have been waiting. 0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.680 So I do have a little little NFL breaking news 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:45.839 that could be relevant to the paper. 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:47.640 Okay, one second, because I already picked up this call. 0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:49.120 But yeah, Sean's and Vancouver. 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:53.959 Hey, good morning guys. I got up early this morning, 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:55.640 so as nice to speak with you again. Yeah, the 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:59.799 last week, I think I mentioned week five as as 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.919 our time for Drake May, and I agree. I think 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.400 that's that's a good a good one. I think, you know, 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:11.360 without Wilkins, the Dolphins defense won't be as big a 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.839 challenge and could be something a good place for him 0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:17.439 to start, because to me, it's all about how Drake 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.200 May develops and what he's what is he going to 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.319 be like ultimately as a franchise quarterback, So it's it's 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.040 not about the wins and losses, and I'm more concerned 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:29.360 about how he's going to progress through this season and 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:30.960 then into the future. 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.240 Yeah, absolutely, Sean, thanks for the phone call and as always, 0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:36.359 thanks for listening. Yeah, I mean that we're all there. 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.360 And on one last thing, I would just add to 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:43.120 that too, Jacoby Brissett's play and Drake May's in development 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:48.040 our two separate buckets. You can't play Drake May before 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.319 he's ready just because he's already better than Jacoby bris 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.279 said right like, he he he's got to be one 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.520 hundred percent ready to me. And I hear you about 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:57.160 the locker room and stuff like that, and I think 0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:01.680 that's a good point. But I just mean, just in 0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:06.239 a vacuum, just because Jacoby Brissett has been, let's face it, 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.640 pretty terrible in the preseason. I'm not putting Drake May 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.480 in just because Jacoby Brissett is not setting the bar 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:14.719 high enough. In my opinion right now, it's it's not 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.200 quite cam in twenty twenty one. Like it's not that bad, 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.919 but it's not quite high enough where I feel like, oh, 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:25.640 he's beating out a real he's really winning this competition 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:27.920 over a guy that's that's pushing it. Yeah. 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.800 I said this the other day, Jacoby Verssett's performance should 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:36.640 not impact Drake May's development plan. Yeah, And the locker 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:40.839 room thing's a little different because guys buying in on 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:43.319 Drake May. You got to be able to tell our 0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:45.080 guys buying in on Drake May because they believe in him, 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:48.400 or just because they're done with Jacoby Brissett. But Jacoby 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.200 Brissett's level of plays completely independent of Drake May's development, 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.440 and it shouldn't change the timeline. 0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:55.720 Yep, Okay, So I want to read this email or actually, 0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:57.560 let's take this one call because this is probably gonna 0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:02.600 be a longer discussion. David is in Maine's up. David, Hey, guys. 0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:03.319 How's it going good? 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:03.759 How are you? 0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:07.759 I'm great, Evan, You're my favorite. You really do a 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:11.680 good job at keeping the Unfiltered train on the track. 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:14.520 Jim So, I appreciate every time you're on Unfiltered. 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:15.000 Thank you. 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:16.360 So a quick question. 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:20.560 I keep hearing New England has the third pick in 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.920 the when it comes to waivers, and I guess I 0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:24.640 always thought it was just kind of a first come, 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:26.960 first serve thing, So I was wondering if you could 0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:28.480 just kind of explain. 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:29.799 Briefly how the waivers work. 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:34.839 And also is it likely that you can find like 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:39.160 a starting caliber lineman or tackle in waivers or is 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.719 that more just a fill in the depth kind of thing. 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:43.879 And I'll take it off the air from there. Thanks. 0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:45.920 Guys, Thanks David, thanks for the call. So it's a 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.239 good question. This to me is a little bit overblown 0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:53.560 in terms of their waiver priority. So the waiver wire works. First, 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:57.040 there's two important things to know. First of all, until 0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:00.799 claims start coming in, it's the draft order from last year. Yeah, right, 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:04.280 so Chicago has the number one claim. No, oh, Carolina 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:08.919 Carolina has Yeah, Carolina has the number one claim. Washington, Patriots, 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.040 so on and so forth, right, so that it's the 0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.160 reverse of the draft order. It's exactly how it works. 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.919 Then the other thing I should mention, or we should mention, 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:23.320 is that players only go through waivers are only subject 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.400 to waivers if they have three or less accrude seasons 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:28.480 in the NFL. Once you get to a four accrued 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.480 seasons in the league, then you're just a street free 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.040 agent when you're released. So i'll give you an example. 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:38.760 A couple of years ago, the Patriots cut Brian Hoyer. 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:43.200 He then resigned with the practice squad for a beat. Right, 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.320 Brian Hoyer was a vested veteran, he'd been in the 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.239 league for ten years. He didn't go through waivers. The 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.800 player that would go through waivers is like Marcella's dial 0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:56.399 a rookie, he would go through waivers. Bailey's a last year, 0:40:56.600 --> 0:41:01.200 Bailey's appy actually this year too, right, yeah right, twenty 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:03.080 twenty two draft, yeah yeah, So. 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:05.720 And an accurrent season means six or more games played. 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:12.160 Yeah, and so for to an extent, we're we're talking 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.719 about players that were on their rookie contracts, right like that, 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:17.359 that's what we're talking about in terms of waivers. So 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.920 to answer the second part of the question, are you 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.520 were not going to find a starting left tackle on waivers? 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.320 That that that's not where we're at. Like, if the player, 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.800 a young player on a team is a promising tackle 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:32.200 prospect that the team that he's currently on feels like 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:34.759 he is going to push to maybe start down the 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.879 road or has it that sort of ceiling, then why 0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:39.680 would they be releasing that player? 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:39.960 Right? 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:42.440 It wouldn't make a waiving, I should say, that player 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:46.000 wouldn't make any sense. So in some respects, yes, there's 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:48.719 always a handful of players every single year that get 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:52.040 claimed on waivers that could make a fifty three man roster, 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:54.719 Like maybe they're your fifty second or fifty third guy. 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.000 But in terms of that guy actually making a big 0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:01.480 impact on the on the NFL team. Not not likely. 0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:05.000 Yeah, like especially not a tackle, especially not at that position. 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:05.279 Yeah. 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:06.960 Like, what was a few years ago, who was the 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.239 kid from Navy that we all knew Bill Belichick would 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.920 like be all over these like a Keenan Reynolds. They 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.719 claimed him, right, I want to say, yeah, and you 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:16.279 know he was here for a cup of coffee and 0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:18.800 that was it, so that those are the types of 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.000 guys that you get on waivers. I want to read 0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.000 this email from Adama because I think it's a good 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.200 it's a good jumping off point for the conversation about 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:29.480 Van Pelton, the scheme and stuff like that, and then 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.759 we'll do three up, three down. So he said, Uh, 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.920 he was listening to Zoe, and Zoe was talking about 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.399 how in practice, uh, the plays they were running were 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.759 not to Drake May strains, they weren't conducive to Drake 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:46.560 May strings. But then the preseason game they called plays 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.920 that more resembled what he did at North Carolina and 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:52.640 what he did in college. And the biggest difference between 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:56.320 the two scripts in terms of was Drake May running 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:59.040 the full boat of the Alex Van Pelt offense to 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.960 me was playing from under center. You know, he only 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:06.600 had one drop back pass attempt from under center was 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:09.840 the slide route play action play to Mitchell Wilcox in 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.000 the flat. That was the only time that he played 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.239 from under center in the past game. Then he also 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.120 had an aborted snap. It looked like that was probably 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.239 going to be a playfake, but who knows right what 0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:20.439 it was actually going to be. He didn't really play 0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:23.399 a ton from under center. I thought this shotgun stuff 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.279 that he was doing was pretty much what they've been 0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:28.000 doing in practice. But the question that I have for 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.600 Van Pelt tomorrow, which I think is a big part 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.919 of this whole discussion, is do they need Drake May 0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:38.120 to be able to handle the entirety of the playbook, 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:41.240 which means playing from under center, Yeah, is the biggest 0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:43.720 one in order for them to feel like he's ready 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.160 to play in a game. Or would they go into 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:48.719 a game like a game script that they had against 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:53.040 the Eagles in the preseason where he is playing in 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.439 the gun for the majority of the game and they're 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:55.920 cool with that. 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:58.880 Do you think there's any chance they'd mix in some pistol. 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.279 This is I'm so glad you brought this up. See 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:03.520 this is how we you know, this is why we 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:06.960 do the show together. Uh. That's a really good point. 0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:12.439 And when you read about some other offenses around the league, 0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:14.920 first of all, should mention Drake may have played out 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:16.759 of the pistol a ton in North Carolina. Yeah, that 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:17.960 was a big part of their offense. 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.760 And I remember you saying at the draft or before 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:22.640 just after, at some point you made the point that 0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:26.120 he would it would be a little easier for him 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.719 to get used to working under center than most of 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.840 these shotguns specific quarterbacks, because he had worked in the pistol, 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:35.840 so some of those play action mechanics were there's a 0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:37.480 lot of carry over there exactly. 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.520 So in the pistol. The biggest thing about being under center. Yeah, 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:44.799 obviously the playfake is it's harder to read as the 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:47.360 defense right, it's a lot more effective quarterback turns us 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:49.440 back to the to the play line of scrimmage, he 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:51.879 puts the ball out. All that kind of stuff makes 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:55.440 it easier to sell the play fake. The other thing 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.799 that is big with with the being under center in 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:00.880 the run game is that the running back can go 0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:04.200 either way right, right, because he's standing behind the quarterback. 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:06.400 So now he has the ability you can run it 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.240 left or you can run it right, and you don't 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.440 when gunn you don't necessarily have that advantage because the 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.960 back is offset. So now like it's a little bit 0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:15.759 different for him to run to the same side that 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.920 he's lined up as. So that's the big advantage of 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:20.600 being under center is that the running back can go 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.840 either direction and then the playfakes are better. So a 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.440 lot of these quarterbacks, you know, a lot of these 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:30.560 coaches in the modern game, what they've done with these 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:32.680 quarterbacks that don't like being under center. And I'll give 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.719 you an example. Tua does not like being under center, 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:40.399 doesn't like it, hatesa So the Shanahan offense that Mike 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:44.320 McDaniel's running in Miami, that is a heavy under center operation. 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:48.319 So what Channon or what McDaniel's done to build this 0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:52.640 around Tua is that they've adopted the pistol. So now 0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:55.960 with the pistol, the running backs behind the quarterback and 0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.640 the gun so you still have that ability for the 0:45:58.680 --> 0:45:59.920 running back to go either direction. 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:00.439 Right. 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:02.320 The other thing that you have is that what Tua 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.440 will do is he'll still turn his back to the 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.720 defense on a play action fake. So now you're getting 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.560 that same play action and you can actually bootleg out 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.280 of the pistol as well and get the same exact 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:18.080 action that you're looking for from under center. You can 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:22.600 get it in the pistol. So my I wonder if 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.600 that is the compromise for Alex van Pelt, because, let's 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:27.919 face it, the stuff from under center from Drake May 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.360 has been bumpy at times, not so much about the 0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:32.640 reads and getting the ball out once he gets up 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.800 and down field, he's fumbling the snaps. 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:35.839 Right, it's getting that. 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.000 It's literally getting out from underneath center. That's an issue 0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:39.479 right now. 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:41.239 Well, but this also goes back to my point. I 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.120 really wish they'd let him work more with David Andrews 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:46.960 because he's working with Nick Levertt is really a guard 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.879 who's moving the center. Antonio Maffi's really guard who's moving 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:52.600 the center and struggling, and who else he worked with 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:58.120 Liam Fourneels a converting Yeah, Levert's a converted guard, Mafi's 0:46:58.120 --> 0:46:58.960 a converted guard. 0:46:59.080 --> 0:46:59.319 Yeah. 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:02.839 Forin Dell's a converted tackle. I'd still understand that one 0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:06.319 tackle the guard to right, and then Charles Turner's at 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.880 UDFA who they clearly don't see as a as a 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.600 legitimate option. So I don't know. Maybe I'd like to 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.440 see him under center, with a real center and maybe 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:18.959 some of that clears up, but we didn't see it so. 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:23.319 Right, So I love the idea of the pistol that 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:27.440 to me seems like a perfect compromise to negate the 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:30.120 issues that they're having with Drake may playing from under center, 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:33.640 but also still running some of the traditional early down 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:36.200 concepts that Van Pelt wants to get to. You can 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:40.520 still run all the post crosses, the bootlegs, hank concepts like, 0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:42.440 you can still run all of that stuff from the pistol, 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:44.879 and it's basically the same as running it from under 0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.719 center without him having to worry about the footwork and 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.960 the snaps and all that kind of stuff. Love that compromise. 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:55.480 Glad you brought it up too. Was the real poster 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:59.799 child for this, Yeah, because you know McDaniel. I don't 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:01.319 know if he was the first guy to do this, 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:06.000 but McDaniel kind of was in a revolution of having 0:48:06.080 --> 0:48:08.400 quarterbacks turn their back to the line of scrimmage out 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.840 of the pistol, like that that whole action of turning 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.360 your back to the line, showing the ball fake like, 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.560 doing all those mechanics from the pistol was something that 0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.000 McDaniel kind of brought to the league a little bit 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.080 and is obviously all over the college game. The other 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:24.280 quarterback I just give you an example with is Matthew 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:28.080 Stafford also hates being under center, so that RAMS offense 0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:31.319 is still in that tree of Shanahan whatever, and he 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:35.520 hates being under center. So they've adopted the entire offense 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:39.320 to be more from the gun, and that's they've thrived 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:41.640 when he's been healthy in that regard. So I think 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:44.160 there's ways to kind of pivot out of this. The 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.880 question that I have for Van Pelt is are you 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:48.080 willing to pivot right? 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:48.279 Like? 0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:52.000 Is that something you're willing to do or are you 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.000 looking at it more like we need Drake May to 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.040 master being under center so that we can play him 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.920 under center. It's gonna be an interesting question. All right, 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.560 Let's take this last call well from Brian and Baltimore. 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:01.920 What's up? 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:07.120 Brian, Hey, buddy, A big fan of the show. I 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:09.200 was just calling man because I feel like one of 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:10.919 the under the radar things and I know you guys 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:13.839 have talked about that little bit is man, after watching 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:17.600 that preseason game last week, man, backup center, Like, like, 0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:19.360 what are we doing there? Because I knew it was 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.080 a few years ago that David Andrews got hurt and 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:24.280 we kind of had a backup playing with Connor mcdermack 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:27.640 and things like that, but man, backup center. Man, it 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:30.319 makes me nervous after seeing those snaps last week that 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:34.080 were low and like, I mean, god forbid David Andrews 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:36.200 don't get hurt. But what do you see is doing 0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:39.080 about that? I still see some guys out there that's 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.520 still free agents that'd be pretty good, maybe like bringing 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:46.040 them in as veterans like Qusenbury or McGovern But yeah, 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:47.600 I just really wanted to know what you guys think 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:49.359 we should do about that, because I know that's an 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:51.520 issue as well under the radar. 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:54.120 Yeah, it's a fair question, Brian, thanks for the call. 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:56.719 That is actually one thing you might be able to 0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:01.240 get on waivers. Yeah, a backup center, up interior alignment 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.200 is something that you might actually be able to get 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:07.359 on waivers. I'm not overly concerned about Nick Levertt being 0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:09.879 the guy. He's been fine, he's hurting, Yeah, he's been 0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:13.279 fine in terms of blocking. Obviously they have to work 0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:15.160 out some of the things with the issues with the 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:18.040 snaps because he hasn't snapped a whole lot, right, and 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:20.200 so that that's where that's probably coming from. But just 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:23.040 in general, I feel like as a blocker, he's held 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.840 his own as an interior guy. So I wouldn't be 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:29.279 overly concerned if Andrews were to get hurt if Nick 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:32.120 Clevertt was the guy that they turned to, and maybe 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.720 they can do some stuff like again not not playing 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:38.319 from under center a bunch to try to negate some 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:39.759 of the things that they would have with that. But 0:50:39.960 --> 0:50:42.359 it's something that is on the radar. Jake Andrews gets 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:45.920 hurt that that's obviously who was probably in line to 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:49.239 be the backup center you mentioned Charles Turner hasn't really 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:50.440 emerged as a UDFA. 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:53.040 I was hoping that didn't sound super excited abut him 0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:53.799 when he's asked about him. 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:55.880 Yeah, I hope. I was hoping that that Charles Turner 0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:58.239 was gonna have a better summer than what he's had. 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:02.399 So it's a goner. But I also think that one 0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:06.040 just one quick thing on the backup center, that's the 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:07.239 least of their worries. 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.040 Right now on the alternative stat Yeah, they. 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:11.200 Don't have a tackle, a left tackle right now that 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:13.880 they feel great about. Uh, there's so many other. 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:17.120 Holes right great about. Yeah, there's so many other holes 0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:18.560 on the in. 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:21.440 The first string offense right now to that to be 0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:24.720 worried about the twoses a little bit, But I agreed 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:28.480 that it is like a low key, sneaky need. All right, 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:30.840 let's do three up, three down. But before we do, 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:34.000 preseason is upon us, and Bob's Discount Furniture is going 0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.080 ahead head to head with the competition. 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The 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:13.520 last year he had competent quarterback, playing twenty twenty one, 0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:15.759 he caught forty nine passes for four hundred and ninety 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.239 three yards and five touchdowns. He is now thirty one, 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:22.480 and he did just get cut before roster cuts. They 0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:24.840 need tight ends, they need tight ends. He'd be at 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:26.920 least worth a call, at least worth a workout in 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:27.319 my mind. 0:52:27.520 --> 0:52:30.800 Big dude, like big blocker. Right, he's like two hundred 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:31.520 and seventy pounds. 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.400 I want to say, is yeah, six seventy one. 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:35.200 Yeah, he's a big guy. 0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:37.640 You just bring him. Who remember they had Algie Crumpler 0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:39.520 here late in his career. I think he was playing 0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:41.279 at like two to eighty yeah, and they just had 0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:44.040 him here to block. Yeah, could do something like that. 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:46.759 All right, three upgree down. Let's start with the ups 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.399 because we're we're I want to be positive today too 0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:52.120 negative last week? Who didn't like it? So let's go 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:54.160 a little positive here to start? Do you want to start? 0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:55.760 You start? I always start, So you start? 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:59.919 Sure? Taekwon Thornton, And I'll tell you why. 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:03.200 Look at how the tables are well, but listen, I'll 0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:03.759 give the take. 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:07.000 You're right, it's not anything he's done, but that's the 0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:07.840 performance wise. 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:08.520 That's not fair. 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:12.880 It's really not it's the way they're using them. He 0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:15.640 gets the veteran treatment in the preseason game, he's working 0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:18.760 exclusively at the starters in practice. He's gonna make the team. 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:21.680 Oh yeah, he's gonna make the team. And that makes 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:25.239 me nervous because if they're really planning on him having 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:28.080 a big role in the offense, that means he needs 0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:30.200 to be out there and he can't count on that 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:33.080 with him. But if I'm Taekwon Thornton, I'm feeling pretty 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:34.719 good right now because I know I have a spot 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:35.720 on this football team. 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:38.600 So the big thing for me with Taekwon and you 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:40.719 say he's not he had to go ball against Christian 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:43.719 Zales in practice the other Okay, so he had. He's 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.160 had some flashes in practice. Let's put it to you 0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:49.279 that way. And I do feel like he's the added weight, 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.640 Like he looks like he just looks sturdier out there 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:55.200 to me, like he's not as easily derailed doing his round. 0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:58.360 Here's why I'm talking yourself into Taekwon Thornton. 0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:00.239 Of course, you know, you know this is like a 0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:02.480 summer tradition. Of course I'm talking you weren't gonna do 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:05.560 it this year. Okay. But here's the thing about Taekwon, 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:07.759 and I've been saying this for a while about him, 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.520 so I'm repeating myself a little bit. But the biggest 0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:14.040 thing to me with Taekwon is that this offense needs 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.880 a player like Taekwon Thoring on the team. They need 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:20.560 an outside X receiver that can get down the field. 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.640 It just the offense needs it, otherwise it's going to 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:25.680 be exactly what we've watched the last couple of years, 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.839 where everything is a three yard pass, right Like, they 0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:33.719 need somebody, even if it's just as a decoy that 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:37.239 the post safety has to respect over the top, or 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.120 when he does get the occasional one on one matchup, 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:41.920 you can throw the go ball to him down the 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:44.920 sideline like he did in practice the other day against Gonzo. 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:47.680 They they need to be able to have that element 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:50.759 of the offense, someone that clears out coverage, someone that 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:53.399 takes occupies safeties down the field, takes the top off 0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:57.440 the defense and once a game, can you give me 0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:00.239 one good go you know, vertical route one. It's a 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:02.680 game against one single coverage like that's all I'm asking for. 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:05.680 I'm not asking for him to be Tyreek Hill and 0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:07.719 you know, win eight times like that. But if you 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:11.239 can win one time, if he's one for forty and 0:55:11.280 --> 0:55:14.480 he's doing his job in terms of the structure of 0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:17.920 the offense, then to me, that's a win. And until 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:21.080 Javon Baker gets to the point where he can play 0:55:21.080 --> 0:55:24.120 the full time X role, which he's not very close 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:26.880 to you right now, I don't think Taekwon Thorton is 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:28.759 the best player on the team for that. He's just 0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:31.520 the best receiver on the roster that does that. And 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:36.400 it's more about usage in skill set than it is 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:41.319 about anything that he's demonstratively better than at that he 0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:44.640 has been the last two years. Right, it's just the 0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:47.520 way they're using him within the framework of the offense 0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:49.600 that gives me a little bit of hope. So, yeah, 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:52.600 I'm glad you did Taekwon because I'm not doing Taekwon. 0:55:52.719 --> 0:55:53.879 I told you I wouldn't do it. 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:57.080 Yeah, And then you proceed proceeded to explain why you're 0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:57.960 hiring him than I am. 0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:00.200 You know I can always talk myself from the right. 0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:01.520 So you didn't have him on your list. 0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:04.560 I did not because I told you I wouldn't be 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:07.719 duped again. That's why number one up to me still 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:09.960 is Drake May. We don't have to go long on it. 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:13.840 But the one center that won't be available. Speaking of 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.000 guys you were high on, Yeah, Yell defro Holt just 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:19.120 got a multi year contract extension with the Arizona Cardinals. 0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:21.640 That one stings because yelled defro Hole was a good 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:22.360 I thought he was. 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:23.440 I could use Yell for Hole. 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:26.400 He was a good prospect. Yeah, I felt like he 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.080 had a chance to make it in the league. They 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.120 gave up on him too easily or too quickly. I 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.520 should say I don't want to go super long on 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:34.319 Drake May because we spent the first thirty five minutes 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:38.040 of the show talking about it. But from the Eagles 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:42.120 Thursday night preseason game on, he's just been a different 0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:46.400 guy to me, more confident, more decisive. He's coming on. 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:49.400 He's making progress. He deserves credit for that, They deserve 0:56:49.440 --> 0:56:52.000 credit for that. I'm excited by what I've seen from 0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:54.640 Drake May. But you guys know that already, So who's 0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:55.440 your number two up? 0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:58.640 I had Drake May too, so I guess let me, 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:00.520 I'll give you my third and I'll of another one 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:04.360 so we don't have overlap. Joshua Bloodsoe nice. I thought 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:07.920 he was really good in the game. Yeah, specifically as 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.000 a pass rusher, which was weird. And not that I'm 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.320 saying he's going to solve all their pass rush issues, 0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:15.120 but they're gonna need it from somewhere, and if he 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:18.760 can help as a blitzer, it's not exactly hurting his case, right. 0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:21.080 I thought he's really good in the game. I thought 0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:23.000 he had a couple of solid practices the last few 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:26.960 days too. Nothing overly flashy, but a guy that's managed 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:28.960 to stick around, and you're kind of seeing why right now. 0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:31.400 He's just the little banged up at safety or in 0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:33.960 the secondary. He's getting some more reps. He's doing some 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:35.720 things that maybe hasn't done in the past that they're 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:37.920 clearly asking him to do out of need, and he's 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:39.400 doing them. And that's the kind of guy that usually 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:42.280 hangs around again. So good quiet, but good week for 0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:43.160 josh Bledsoe. 0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:47.560 Jalen Hawkins is dron Harmon. He's that center fielder. But 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:50.120 if Marte Mapho's not going to be a factor on 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:52.200 this team this year, she's not at least a start. 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:56.760 The most like body type is obviously josh But. 0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.880 So they have those two. They changed the rule this year. 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.960 You can put two guys on IR before roster cuts 0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:05.440 that can come back, but the rule is you can't 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:08.560 put them on IR until cutdown day, So like Jake 0:58:08.600 --> 0:58:11.600 Andrews doesn't apply, and you have to designate them that day. 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.080 You can't put like five guys on IR that day 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.040 and say all right, we'll pick two later. You have 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:19.720 to choose to that day. Marte mop who, Christian Barmore. 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.000 It's got to be it, right pending another injury. 0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:25.880 Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. The only way it's not Barmar 0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:28.040 is if the doctors say it's it's not. 0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:30.400 And even then they don't really have it unless Hunter 0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:32.880 Henry's injury is worse than we think. Yeah, they don't 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.440 really have a clear second option, and you might as 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:37.800 well at that point, right, you know you're not gonna 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:38.760 you can't bank it. 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:39.440 Yeah. 0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:43.360 So yeah, but Joshua Bledsoe uh, solid week for him, 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:46.600 So that's my uh okay, that's my second. 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:49.240 Number two up for me is a both rookie offensive 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:52.560 lineman Kaden Wallace and Laden Robinson. Caden Wallace, I'm still 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:55.479 you feel like he's got a little bit of ways 0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:58.080 to go with his technique, you know, hand placement, things 0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:00.000 like that that we've talked about in the past. With it, 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:03.160 he's still a little bit wide with his hand carriage 0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:05.400 and he's get letting rushers into his frame a little 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:09.080 bit too much, which causes you know, issues with anchoring 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:14.120 and sustaining blocks and things like that. But he's making 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:18.080 progress and should be pushing right tackle here very soon. 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:22.240 I would say he he should be pushing Chukes the 0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:25.320 cor four early in the season for right tackle, which 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:26.360 is a good development. 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:26.840 Yeah. 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:30.360 I don't know if he's gonna be a stud or 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:32.680 anything like that, but if he's better than what you 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:34.960 have and he's a young player on the rise, that's 0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:37.720 that's the type of thing that you want. Landen Robinson 0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:41.440 was absolutely outstanding in the game against the Eagles. Now, 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:43.720 it was against a lot of backups, I'll give you know, 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.120 I'll put that out there, put that context in there. 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.280 It's the third and fourth quarter of a preseason game, 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:51.120 so it's against like you know, third stringers and practice 0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:53.960 squad guys, but he was dominant at times. Like he 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.320 took a blitzer. They sent a blitz at him, he 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:58.600 came off a double took it a blitzer and threw 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:00.640 him into the ground like you know, like just rag 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:04.040 dolling guys. He's a physical guy. He's light on his feet, 1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:06.640 he's got a good sense of the game and a 1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:08.720 good sense of where his eyes should be and things 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:11.640 like that. Really really excited about Leyden Robinson. The problem 1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:15.440 with Layden Robinson is is it's another guard. Like if 1:00:15.440 --> 1:00:18.000 he was a tackle, I'd be like, oh, this is amazing, right, 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:22.200 but unfortunately he's not a tackle. So when you start 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:24.040 to factor in your best five and try to figure 1:00:24.080 --> 1:00:26.479 out who your best five are, it's kind of hard 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:28.880 to take City So and Mike on. You're not taking 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:29.520 Mike a winning. 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:31.080 Off right field, so that's a part of the problem. 1:00:31.120 --> 1:00:34.000 The only way to really do it to get him 1:00:34.040 --> 1:00:36.360 in is on attacks win at tackle, but then you 1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:39.600 don't have Wallace, so it's really the only way you're 1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:42.880 getting both rookies on or either to play Wallace at left, 1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:45.400 which I don't love Yeah, or take City so out 1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:47.080 of the lineup, which is probably the better option. But 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:49.120 he's a solid player. Yeah, and that's not the guy 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:51.440 you're trying to replace. And now you're moving Michael and 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:53.240 went into a position where he's not as good. Just 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:54.400 to wedge the rookies in. 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:58.360 There's there are five best guys. Three of them are guards. 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:02.880 That doesn't work. So when you and Robinson are in 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.280 their top five linemen on the roster, yeah, and all 1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:07.080 three of them are guards, you could play all three. 1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:08.760 You could already four their top five hour guards. And 1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:10.400 one's the center honestly. 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:12.040 Yeah, right, I mean one's a center too, so if 1:01:12.040 --> 1:01:14.040 you want to put it that way too with David Andrews, 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:17.960 So it stinks that he is not a tackle, but 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:20.440 it doesn't stink that he's good. Like is trending in 1:01:20.440 --> 1:01:21.320 the right direction. 1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:23.040 Because people are somebody's gonna say it in the comments. 1:01:23.040 --> 1:01:26.040 Don't just wedge him into tackle, just try him left tackle. 1:01:26.120 --> 1:01:28.160 No, he's not a tackle. And Mike on who with 1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:30.560 three hundred and fifty pounds is not a tackle either, correct. 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:33.640 So that's my second one. Do you have another one? 1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:34.000 Uh? 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:37.280 Yeah? Jaheen Bell just I thought has made the most 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:39.720 of the opportunity with the tight ends out. I don't 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:42.320 know what it turns into. I still think he's probably 1:01:42.320 --> 1:01:44.040 a guy that starts on the practice squad and maybe 1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:45.959 gets out of to the roster later down the road. 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:52.960 But he's had He was definitely playing catch up after 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:57.600 he missed that first week, and I think now he's 1:01:57.720 --> 1:01:58.600 he's caught up. 1:01:58.920 --> 1:02:03.040 Yep. I think he's one of those guys that they're 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:06.000 gonna have to decide whether they're going to prioritize receiving 1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:09.760 upside over blocking. And when I say blocking, Mitchell Wilcox 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:12.760 is the blocker right And to me, this is a 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:16.040 team that needs to prioritize the upside right now. So 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:20.000 I would go jappine belp just because they're debute to playmakers. 1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:22.320 They need to find playmakers and if he's a guy 1:02:22.320 --> 1:02:25.240 that can be a playmaker. His little spree in the 1:02:25.240 --> 1:02:27.280 red zone the other day with the three touchdowns and 1:02:27.320 --> 1:02:29.880 like a ten play span or whatever it was, that 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:31.760 was exciting to me because a lot of those things 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:33.280 were the things I thought he would be good at 1:02:33.400 --> 1:02:36.000 in the NFL. You're running into the flats and just 1:02:36.040 --> 1:02:38.840 winning foot races, down on the goal line, and one 1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:40.760 was a slide route from Joe Milton where he just 1:02:40.760 --> 1:02:43.640 comes underneath the formation and slides out into the flat 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:45.920 and he just wins a foot race like just coming across. 1:02:46.200 --> 1:02:47.640 It's not right. He's getting to the top of the 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:50.240 route and he's not Hunter Henry right, He's not like 1:02:50.280 --> 1:02:52.840 getting open on y option or something like that. He's 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:56.560 just running people at that size and that's encouraging. 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:58.680 All right, real quick before move on while we're talking 1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:01.280 about pass catchers of questions in the comments, want to 1:03:01.280 --> 1:03:03.080 know what you think about Matt Landers. 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:06.120 Okay, we'll get to that in a second. Last one 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:11.760 here my last up, yep, coming around to it. Keon White, 1:03:12.080 --> 1:03:15.680 all right, dot, Kean White was an animal in that 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:19.440 game against the Eagles the other night. It's so crystal 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:21.880 clear to me now and maybe it should have been before. 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:25.600 But he's so much better as a hand in the 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:28.400 dirt interior rusher than he is as an outside russ Yeah. 1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:30.160 I've been telling you this for months. 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:32.960 And the comp that we've we've we've kicked this comp 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:36.320 around I think before Trey Flowers, like Trey Flowers is 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:38.320 the comp to me, he's a little bit more physical 1:03:38.360 --> 1:03:40.200 than Trey Flowers, and Trey Flowers is a little bit 1:03:40.240 --> 1:03:44.080 more elusive or like just flexible, wiggly, I would say, 1:03:44.480 --> 1:03:46.960 but in terms of their usage and how exactly they're 1:03:46.960 --> 1:03:52.120 going to play, he's very, very explosive and twitchy when 1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:54.280 he plays on the inside and for some reason he 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:56.000 goes on the outside and he stands up and he's 1:03:56.040 --> 1:03:58.920 just like this stiff guy. Now, I don't know what 1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:03.160 it is, but on early downs if he's a strong 1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:05.720 side outside linebacker setting the edge of the defense and 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:09.640 pressing the pocket, fine, and then on third down he's 1:04:09.800 --> 1:04:14.440 now it's obviously not exactly the same. It's not apples 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:18.040 to apples, But for the time being, he's the one 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:20.440 on one guy that wins on the inside for you 1:04:20.520 --> 1:04:23.120 on third down that Christian Barmore was for you last 1:04:23.200 --> 1:04:27.200 year if you had to. He's not Matthew Judon. That's 1:04:27.200 --> 1:04:29.400 not gonna be his game. They're gonna have to get 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:32.200 by with like Uce and Ziminez and those guys you know, 1:04:32.400 --> 1:04:34.640 coming off the edge. But when they get on into 1:04:34.680 --> 1:04:37.640 third down in their pass rush packages, Keon White's gonna 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:39.200 put his hand in the dirt. He's gonna be over 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:40.880 the guard of the center and he's gonna just go 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:42.520 to town like it's just gonna be one on one 1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:45.880 and yeah, go win, go go beat your block. And 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:48.400 he was very good in this game. Still think he 1:04:48.400 --> 1:04:50.720 struggled a little bit with finding the ball. You know, 1:04:50.720 --> 1:04:53.880 finding the quarterback in the pocket was more buwling a 1:04:53.960 --> 1:04:57.680 china shop than it was, you know, in terms of 1:04:58.080 --> 1:05:00.840 sack production. Still, but that's what they need. They need 1:05:00.880 --> 1:05:02.600 a guy that's gonna get the quarterback off the spot 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:04.560 on the interior and they need to do Chay or 1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:06.360 zem Andez or one of these other guys to emerge 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:08.960 as the finisher. And if that's what Kean White is, 1:05:09.000 --> 1:05:11.200 then fine. I thought this was his best week of 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:12.840 practice and in best build up. 1:05:13.000 --> 1:05:14.920 Glad he finally came around on that came around. 1:05:15.160 --> 1:05:17.520 See I can, I can be, I can when I'm 1:05:17.520 --> 1:05:20.520 wrong and be flexible. All right, let's go to the doubts. 1:05:20.520 --> 1:05:24.680 Uh cover set number one. Just a rough couple of 1:05:24.720 --> 1:05:28.000 weeks here now. And the accuracy the balls, that's the 1:05:28.000 --> 1:05:29.800 big thing for me, the balls getting away from him spot. 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.000 He's not putting the ball where he should be putting it. 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:35.200 You know, he's had I'd still say his summer is 1:05:35.240 --> 1:05:38.120 an overall positive when you take in the full body 1:05:38.160 --> 1:05:39.640 of work. But football is what have you done for 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:42.280 me lately? Sport and the joint practice, which is the 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:44.480 biggest practice of the summer, and in the preseason game 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:46.800 where he played the most, he did not look good. 1:05:47.200 --> 1:05:50.480 Yeah, it's a fair assessment. I thought the tape against 1:05:50.840 --> 1:05:53.680 Carrier against the Eagles in the preseason game was brutal. 1:05:54.440 --> 1:05:55.840 He missed multiple throws in. 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:58.520 That game and the pick was I mean, Mayo gripped 1:05:58.600 --> 1:05:58.960 him for it. 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:01.520 Yeah, that's why I feel comfortable saying it was brutal 1:06:01.560 --> 1:06:04.400 because they may have called it a terrible play. So 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:06.000 I don't really think I could say anything that was 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:10.439 worse than that. But a first third down of the game, 1:06:10.480 --> 1:06:12.600 he has Austin Hooper on the corner route. It's it's 1:06:12.640 --> 1:06:14.880 not a great ball. It's just not a great ball. 1:06:15.120 --> 1:06:18.520 It needs to be better there. The pick was was terrible. 1:06:18.880 --> 1:06:22.160 Mayo is right. Not only I understand why he came 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:25.160 off the Taekwon Thornton read because they have sort of 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:27.920 like a red zones bracket. Yeah, so I get why 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:30.920 he came off that, why he didn't move on from 1:06:31.320 --> 1:06:34.280 Austin Hooper to Pop Douglas on the on the little 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:36.560 return route there, juke route. I'm not a one hundred 1:06:36.600 --> 1:06:39.200 percent short. You have to ask him, but Pop Douglas 1:06:39.200 --> 1:06:42.520 was was open for a walk in touchdown on that 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:45.919 you know that Ellman route right outside inside a type 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:50.000 of route, and uh, he just locked onto Hooper and 1:06:50.280 --> 1:06:53.200 threw a bad ball also on that play, and maybe 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:55.280 maybe he doesn't have this quite in his back. He 1:06:55.280 --> 1:06:58.600 could have ran it in, yeah, because man coverage or 1:06:58.640 --> 1:07:00.760 and there's no there's nobody on the court, like he 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:01.840 could have just waltzed in. 1:07:02.280 --> 1:07:04.120 Throw it away. And look, I know it's Fort Town, 1:07:04.160 --> 1:07:06.080 but fourth and three from the twelve. As a veteran, 1:07:06.480 --> 1:07:08.200 talk Mayo, you should be able to talk Mayow to 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:08.680 let you go there. 1:07:08.760 --> 1:07:10.480 Yeah, at least kick the field goal, right, you know, 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:14.080 you got to preserve points there. Some of his accuracy 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:17.160 issues that we were seeing in the game also came 1:07:17.240 --> 1:07:20.520 up in practice as well. So that's a little bit alarming. 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:24.760 And uh, just the last thing, the last throw to 1:07:24.880 --> 1:07:26.840 that he made to Pop Douglas over the middle of 1:07:26.880 --> 1:07:29.360 the field in the game on last Thursday night, that 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:31.560 throw was dangerous too. Yeah, he was like you got 1:07:31.600 --> 1:07:33.880 a guy hanging on him and he threw like whipped 1:07:33.880 --> 1:07:36.040 it to Pop Douglas and it went off. Pop Douglas's 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:40.240 right hand wasn't catchable and popped up in the air 1:07:40.280 --> 1:07:42.000 and there you know, that could have been a pick. Also, 1:07:42.120 --> 1:07:45.480 So if he at the very least Jacobia Brissett needs 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:48.919 to be have good ball security and manage the game, 1:07:50.120 --> 1:07:52.520 and he wasn't. He has not done that, and that's 1:07:52.560 --> 1:07:55.160 got to improve. All right, who's your your second, because 1:07:55.160 --> 1:07:56.240 we both had Jacob Bersett. 1:07:56.760 --> 1:08:01.560 My second was Javon Baker. Yeah, got to catch the ball. 1:08:01.920 --> 1:08:04.720 It's that simple. This is not a guy that's gonna 1:08:04.760 --> 1:08:07.000 have a ton of opportunities. And I don't mean that 1:08:07.080 --> 1:08:08.760 in the sense that like they're gonna bench him. I 1:08:08.840 --> 1:08:10.360 just mean that in the way he plays the game, 1:08:10.680 --> 1:08:13.200 his role in the offense. He's not gonna be a 1:08:13.240 --> 1:08:17.639 high volume player. His job is to create, ideally two 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:20.240 or three big plays a game. And if he does that, 1:08:20.320 --> 1:08:22.559 if he has three catches, that's fine because you hope 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:25.040 that they amount to, you know, eighty ninety yards in 1:08:25.040 --> 1:08:27.840 a score. When you get open over the top, you 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:29.680 have to catch the ball. That's why you're here. That's 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:32.240 the primary reason you're here, not being able to do that, 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:33.920 and he struggled to do it in practice as well. 1:08:33.920 --> 1:08:36.120 I know I've said with him, you know he's going 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:38.360 to create explosive plays. There's gonna be drops. The good 1:08:38.360 --> 1:08:40.600 comes with the bad. You live with it, and you 1:08:40.640 --> 1:08:43.960 hope the drops don't come in big moments. That ratio 1:08:44.080 --> 1:08:45.599 is not working in his favor right now. 1:08:45.760 --> 1:08:47.600 It's a good way of putting it. I want to 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:49.639 give my last one and then I want to circle 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:51.600 back to that because I have a bigger point to 1:08:51.600 --> 1:08:54.280 make about the receivers. We have a we have to 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:57.640 have a tough conversation about the rookie receivers, right, people. 1:08:57.360 --> 1:08:58.879 Really want you to talk about Matt Landers. 1:08:58.920 --> 1:09:03.880 So Jesus, okay, uh, really quickly my last down, and 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:06.240 then I'll circle back to the receivers. Armon Watts. 1:09:06.439 --> 1:09:07.360 I was not making the team. 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:09.240 I really was hoping that Armon Watts was going to 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:11.519 be a player for them. His table last year in 1:09:11.520 --> 1:09:12.280 Pittsburgh was good. 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:13.040 Yeah, as a. 1:09:13.000 --> 1:09:15.840 Pass rusher, I don't know what happened. He's not winning 1:09:15.880 --> 1:09:19.400 any one on ones uh, And during practice he's not 1:09:19.720 --> 1:09:22.439 He's playing into the fourth quarter of preseason games, like 1:09:22.439 --> 1:09:27.599 this is a classic veteran surprise Mike Panell. Yeah that, 1:09:27.680 --> 1:09:29.640 but he's a better rusher than Mike Panell, like Mike 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:30.240 Pel's nose. 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:32.320 No. No, but I'm saying, like Mike Panell was signed 1:09:32.320 --> 1:09:34.439 defensive lineman. I remember people getting mad at me. I 1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:36.599 left him off for roster projection. Yeah, people got mad 1:09:36.600 --> 1:09:39.160 at me, and I'm like, he's not gonna make the team. No, 1:09:39.200 --> 1:09:41.160 I think he just some of it too, like he 1:09:41.240 --> 1:09:44.960 got laft. Jeremiah Farms has been excellent this summer. Tristan 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.000 Hill has had a very solid summer. And I would 1:09:47.000 --> 1:09:50.000 also say a Qualle Daniel, well, he was Quali was 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:51.639 always ahead of him to me in the depth chart, 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:54.439 but coming in you think he's kind of that third 1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:57.080 guy to Daniel Laqualley in Barmore and then obviously you 1:09:57.479 --> 1:09:59.920 lose bar More. But I had him ahead if I 1:10:00.160 --> 1:10:01.320 to do with depth chart, I had n't head of 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:04.200 Farms in Hill, and they've both been better than him. Sorry, 1:10:04.200 --> 1:10:06.400 and credit to those guys. That's not saying like he's 1:10:06.400 --> 1:10:08.719 been terrible, and it's by default both of those guys, 1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:13.439 especially Farms, excellent, But he just he got outplayed and 1:10:13.479 --> 1:10:15.080 got outplayed by other players on the roster. 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:19.720 Just a little surprised, especially when Barmar got injured or 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:23.600 blood clots, whatever health issues. There was there was a 1:10:23.640 --> 1:10:26.840 clear path for armand Watts already, and then at that 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:29.400 point there was like a really clear path for Arman 1:10:29.479 --> 1:10:31.519 Watts to make this team. And like I said, he 1:10:31.560 --> 1:10:34.240 had really good film in Pittsburgh last year. Yeah, and 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:37.840 I was really surprised that it just hasn't been there 1:10:38.200 --> 1:10:38.559 at all. 1:10:38.439 --> 1:10:42.040 For him this week. Look at Mike Panell, he stuck 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:44.479 around and he's been in the league. What year is that, 1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:47.479 probably nineteen Yeah, and he's been in the league since 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:49.320 and he's been a starter on some good teams in 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:50.320 Kansas City. 1:10:50.240 --> 1:10:51.960 Nineteen twenty twenty somewhere around there. 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:55.240 Well, Cony Eelie, I think flamed out. But like bad 1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:56.720 summer can change a lot for you. 1:10:56.840 --> 1:10:59.840 Okay, let's circle back to the rookie receivers and I'll finish. 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:06.439 Give my third Oh Marcellus Dial, Now do I still 1:11:06.439 --> 1:11:08.840 think he can be a player in this league? Yes? Absolutely? 1:11:09.080 --> 1:11:11.240 And another guy where I think the body of work 1:11:11.320 --> 1:11:16.479 this summer is overall good. A really rough preseason game 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:18.920 he had a really rough time to joint practices that 1:11:19.040 --> 1:11:20.240 to me is a guy. We talked about it with 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:22.880 the waivers earlier. I think in clear waivers, you get 1:11:22.960 --> 1:11:24.800 him to the practice squad, you continue to work on 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:28.720 his game, and I wonder if maybe they should try 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:31.920 him at safety a little bit because good open field tackler, 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:36.760 good covering space, played kicking game as well, and you 1:11:36.840 --> 1:11:38.519 revisit him a little bit. I also kind of, like 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:41.519 we just talked about with Watts, Marco Wilson's been playing well, 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:44.400 Isaiah Bolden is playing while he's playing on the slot 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:47.720 more now, which is really important. Whom I'm missing from 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:51.679 that group Sean Waves, Yeah, Sean Way, Alex Austin. Yeah, 1:11:51.720 --> 1:11:54.519 So like I just think Dial got he got passed, 1:11:54.520 --> 1:11:56.439 he got laughed by some other guys that that have 1:11:56.600 --> 1:11:57.880 just been playing better at the position. 1:11:57.960 --> 1:12:00.240 Yeah. I would have him off the roster right now. 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:03.880 And I am it's like probably my fifty fourth fifty. 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:06.559 Yeah, and that nice practice squad potential there. Yep, you 1:12:06.560 --> 1:12:08.840 know a developmental guy. Okay, let's let's let's have a 1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:12.960 tough conversation about the rookie receivers. Yeah, so the Baker 1:12:13.040 --> 1:12:16.080 stuff is more obvious because of the targets. You know, 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:18.760 he's yeah, got three of eight targets, and we also 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:21.840 can see it on the downfield targets that you know, 1:12:21.880 --> 1:12:24.720 they haven't been great in terms of his involvement on 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:28.800 those plays. But the film from the first two weeks 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:31.120 for both these guys of the preseason hasn't been great. 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:34.200 And I'm talking about Jalen Polk also. With Jalen Polk, 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:39.040 let's start with him there. Yeah, there are still my 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:41.720 big thing with Jalen Polk, and you know I've been 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:44.400 struggling with Jalen Polk. Yeah, my big thing with him 1:12:44.600 --> 1:12:48.280 is that he's going to have to be an expert outrunner. 1:12:49.280 --> 1:12:50.880 You know, Steve Smith likes to say you have a 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:54.160 PhD and rout running. He's going to have to be 1:12:54.880 --> 1:12:58.920 an absolute technician at this level because he doesn't have 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:03.200 the physical gifts to just win on raw talent. So 1:13:03.240 --> 1:13:09.760 he's going to have to understand everything from concepts to leverage, 1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:13.439 to how to stem, how you know, how to release, 1:13:13.520 --> 1:13:16.840 like all of the little details of running routes. Jalen 1:13:16.880 --> 1:13:18.840 Polk's going to have to be a masterclass at that. 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:22.719 And the concern that I have with him on film, 1:13:23.240 --> 1:13:26.360 is that every these first two games there's two or 1:13:26.400 --> 1:13:29.519 three times where there's some clear mental errors where I'm 1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:31.479 just not a hundred percent sure he knows what he's doing. 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:33.880 And I'm not like trying to be an ass. It's 1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:37.080 just like he's a rookie, right and there still looks 1:13:37.080 --> 1:13:39.080 a little loss at there. I'll give you an example 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:43.839 that I mentioned the throat Mitchell Wilcox in the flat earlier, 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:48.920 So that's Manton man coverage and Jalen Polk for some 1:13:49.080 --> 1:13:52.840 reason runs into the same flat that Mitchell Wilcox runs into, 1:13:53.400 --> 1:13:56.559 and the guy that actually tackles Mitchell Wilcox is Jalen 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:59.960 Polk's man. Jalen Polk's man comes off of Jalen Pole 1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:03.360 and makes the tackle on Mitchell Wilcox. If Jalen Polk 1:14:03.400 --> 1:14:06.439 isn't in that area, there's nobody over there, Like Mitchell 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:09.880 Wilcox is still running right like, because there's just his 1:14:10.000 --> 1:14:11.680 man must have gotten lost in the wash of the 1:14:11.680 --> 1:14:14.439 playfake or whatever, yeah, and there's nobody over there to 1:14:14.479 --> 1:14:17.639 cover him. The guy that actually makes it not an 1:14:17.640 --> 1:14:21.000 explosive play is Jalen Polk's guy. Because I think Jalen 1:14:21.040 --> 1:14:24.320 Polk ran the wrong route right right, so that those 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:27.240 things are happening. The other thing that happened in the 1:14:27.280 --> 1:14:31.679 game was the sack in the third quarter of Drake May. 1:14:32.880 --> 1:14:36.920 That play from snap to time to sack took four 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:39.439 point two seconds too long. You can't hold the ball 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:41.880 for that long. In the NFL. Some of that's on Drake, 1:14:41.960 --> 1:14:43.800 like he's got to take a check down r right, 1:14:43.880 --> 1:14:45.560 He's got to get the ball out. But it's a 1:14:45.600 --> 1:14:49.000 dagger concept. So the inside receiver is running a vertical route, 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:51.160 the outside receiver is running that deep in cut at 1:14:51.160 --> 1:14:54.880 the sticks, and Jalen Polk's the inside receiver. He gets 1:14:55.080 --> 1:14:56.760 chucked at the line of scrimmage, you know, gets chipped 1:14:56.760 --> 1:14:59.000 to the line of scrimmage, and he never really gets 1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:02.559 back on the tracks. He just kind of jogs up 1:15:02.920 --> 1:15:05.120 the field and he kind of does this like squiggly 1:15:05.200 --> 1:15:08.280 lined thing, and it's just not a good enough clear 1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:11.880 out route. And so the safety it's it's quarter quarter 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:14.120 a half, it's cover six. The safety is just like 1:15:14.240 --> 1:15:17.080 sitting on the dig because Jalen Polk doesn't clear out 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:19.800 the picture. So he's just like sitting there waiting for 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:22.439 Drake may like you're gonna throw it right through it, 1:15:22.720 --> 1:15:24.680 and Jalen and and Drake Mays in the pocket and 1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:27.559 he's waiting for Jalen Polk to run through the coverage 1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:29.759 so that he can throw the dig route. And Jalen 1:15:29.800 --> 1:15:34.080 Pulk never threatens the safety. It just never works. And 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:37.599 that speaks to me to more of like the deep 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:40.040 speed and the long speed to be able to run 1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:45.240 those types of routes. So Jalen Polk will be a 1:15:45.240 --> 1:15:47.960 fine receiver, but they're really to me, going to have 1:15:48.000 --> 1:15:51.120 to manage the rap tree with it. Like he's gonna 1:15:51.160 --> 1:15:52.840 have to just live at the first and second level 1:15:52.880 --> 1:15:55.720 the defense. He's gotta be running in cuts and crossers 1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:59.240 and you know, just little things you know underneath the defense, hitches, 1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:02.360 things like that. The third level is not there to me. 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:05.639 And if he's gonna get to being a really good 1:16:05.680 --> 1:16:08.559 receiver in this league, he's gonna have to be mentally 1:16:08.600 --> 1:16:11.280 sharper than he's been. So I haven't loved what I've 1:16:11.320 --> 1:16:14.320 seen from him. I'm not completely out, I just haven't 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:16.680 loved it. They seem like they're a little bit more 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:18.759 bullish on it than I am. Because he's been elevated 1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:20.840 up the depth chart, it seems like in recent days. 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:23.200 So maybe I'm being too hard on him, but I 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:25.240 just there's a lot of things with the film that 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:27.960 I'm just a little bit concerned about. That's Jalen Polk. 1:16:27.960 --> 1:16:30.479 I don't know what your thoughts on him. I'll give 1:16:30.479 --> 1:16:32.720 the Javon Baker take, but well, I'm just curious to 1:16:32.760 --> 1:16:33.479 what you're seeing. 1:16:33.479 --> 1:16:36.200 What I would flip a lot of what you said 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:38.479 about Drake may Or earlier on to that that mental 1:16:38.520 --> 1:16:41.960 stuff's teachable, That mental stuff's coachable. Now, I wouldn't have 1:16:42.080 --> 1:16:44.960 him running a ton of vertical routes. I would rather 1:16:45.040 --> 1:16:47.080 have him be the d cut on the dig than 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:47.679 the vertical. 1:16:47.880 --> 1:16:48.720 Yeah like that. 1:16:49.080 --> 1:16:50.920 So that speaks to a usage thing, and maybe when 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:54.680 the regular season starts, that's what he's doing. But I 1:16:54.760 --> 1:16:57.559 think that you know he's gonna be He's not gonna 1:16:57.600 --> 1:17:00.320 be this big play threat, this dominant. He's going to 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:02.360 have to win in the short and intermediate and that 1:17:02.560 --> 1:17:04.280 just comes, like you said, with reading a defense and 1:17:04.360 --> 1:17:06.840 understanding route running. That stuff that can be taught. He's 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:09.280 never going to be an overly explosive athlete. But that's 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:11.920 the guy they picked like they if that comes as 1:17:11.920 --> 1:17:14.400 a surprise to them, that that speaks to a deeper problem. 1:17:14.720 --> 1:17:14.960 Yeah. 1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:18.280 I just I've used the Jacoby Myers comp a million times. 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:20.560 I'm gonna continue to use it. He's just got to 1:17:20.640 --> 1:17:22.800 learn how to get open at the sticks, find a 1:17:22.840 --> 1:17:24.799 hole in the coverage, sit down, and catch the football. 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:26.559 That's what he's got to do. If they're using him 1:17:26.560 --> 1:17:28.439 for more than that, that's on them. 1:17:28.520 --> 1:17:30.559 Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. And I 1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:35.439 still see the Jacoby Meyers arc there. Yeah, it just 1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:38.360 to me. It's like with Jacoby, but he was an 1:17:38.400 --> 1:17:41.880 undrafted guy. It's not gonna come right away. 1:17:41.960 --> 1:17:44.000 Well, Jacoby was also only in his third year of 1:17:44.000 --> 1:17:46.479 playing receiver, right right, he was a converted quarterback, so 1:17:46.680 --> 1:17:51.080 let's separate that. But yeah, it's it's gonna be a 1:17:51.120 --> 1:17:53.879 learning process for Polk in this role because at Washington 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:56.760 the game plan was pretty much run straight, doesn't matter 1:17:56.760 --> 1:17:58.479 if your open or not. Michael Pennock will put the. 1:17:58.400 --> 1:17:58.960 Ball in your hands. 1:17:59.000 --> 1:18:00.960 Yeah, and that's what he did. Now he's got to 1:18:01.000 --> 1:18:02.439 learn to play the game a little differently. It is 1:18:02.479 --> 1:18:04.080 gonna be a developing thing, but I still think he 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:06.320 can be a player, he's just not gonna be I 1:18:06.360 --> 1:18:08.400 think some people look at second round receivers and they 1:18:08.400 --> 1:18:12.960 see Devonte Adams, they see DK metcalf right, thank you, guys, like, 1:18:13.080 --> 1:18:15.680 that's not Age Brown's first round pick. 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:16.439 The second round pick. 1:18:16.479 --> 1:18:18.160 Oh, that's right, he was that he was traded for 1:18:18.160 --> 1:18:22.479 first round pick. That's that's not the kind of guy 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:24.240 Jalen Polk is. If that's the guy they wanted, they 1:18:24.280 --> 1:18:26.200 should have drafted somebody else. You can have that argument. 1:18:26.360 --> 1:18:27.920 I don't know that that guy was there for them 1:18:28.040 --> 1:18:29.960 at that point with the run on receivers at least 1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:32.920 not probably not not that you would be comfortable taking there. 1:18:32.960 --> 1:18:34.400 I mean again, we're talking about now a guy like 1:18:34.479 --> 1:18:36.160 Jayvon Baker, who you're hoping is just kind of a 1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:40.799 big play threat. But that's uh yeah, I just it's 1:18:41.040 --> 1:18:43.400 he's just gonna have to learn to read a defense 1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:45.840 and find space because he say he's not necessarily gonna 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:46.679 win physically. 1:18:47.040 --> 1:18:52.240 Yeah, it's it's tough with him because he's he's gonna 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:54.320 have to be mentally extremely sharp and he's gonna have 1:18:54.360 --> 1:18:57.600 to be a really advanced route runner to be a 1:18:57.800 --> 1:18:59.599 high volume, high productive for the. 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:01.800 Record, I think he can do that. Everything you hear 1:19:01.800 --> 1:19:05.600 about this guy loves football film rat like, Yeah, just 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:07.760 wants to understand the game better and is willing to 1:19:07.800 --> 1:19:09.800 put in the hours to do so. He is to 1:19:09.800 --> 1:19:10.120 do it. 1:19:10.240 --> 1:19:15.760 Yeah, it just that to me, that whole thing is 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:20.559 gonna take time, and I just wonder he's probably gonna 1:19:20.560 --> 1:19:23.439 be in the top three until Kenrick Bourne is healthy. 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:26.400 But yeah, my big I guess, my big picture take 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:29.240 with all both these guys is that I don't want 1:19:29.280 --> 1:19:31.800 fans to be surprised if they play a little bit 1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:32.680 less than you want them to. 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:33.519 Uh. 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:35.800 Polk I think will play a little bit more, yeah 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:40.280 than Baker certainly, But with where things stand right now 1:19:40.280 --> 1:19:43.200 with Javon Baker, there's a chance that Javon Baker is 1:19:43.240 --> 1:19:46.920 like a healthy scratch week one. If he doesn't start 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:49.960 to turn it around a little bit, that that is 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:54.479 not going to be popular. It's a similar thing, but 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:56.559 maybe even worse because he's a higher draft pick than 1:19:56.640 --> 1:19:59.559 like Kaishan Bouti not getting on the field, right, you know, 1:20:00.080 --> 1:20:03.360 it's gonna be like that where there's this guy that's 1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:05.080 got a lot of talent and he's got a lot 1:20:05.120 --> 1:20:08.519 of ability, but he just isn't quite there yet as 1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:11.679 a football player for him to play in an NFL game. 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:15.680 And and that's where I'm at with Javon Baker. Two 1:20:15.720 --> 1:20:19.920 big things with Javon Baker just in terms of the details. One, 1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:23.559 his route releases from the outside need to get better. 1:20:24.200 --> 1:20:27.000 He can't. He's not winning early enough in the route, 1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:29.520 you know, so like he's getting pushed into the sideline, 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:32.559 or he's he's getting you know, stuck to press man 1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:35.800 coverage and there's at no point in the route where 1:20:35.840 --> 1:20:38.679 it looks like he's open, right, And yes, I understand 1:20:38.680 --> 1:20:40.760 that some receivers are open when they're not open and 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:44.080 all that kind of stuff, but he all those guys 1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:46.960 still have really good technique at the line of scrimmage, 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:50.760 and he's got to develop a go to release and 1:20:50.800 --> 1:20:53.320 then once we get to that, then maybe a counter 1:20:53.400 --> 1:20:55.840 off of it. Right, But if you need to have 1:20:55.880 --> 1:20:57.600 a best release, like when he's one on one on 1:20:57.640 --> 1:20:59.559 the on the back side like that, like on the 1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:01.400 third down play that he runs out of bounds and 1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:06.439 gets targeted on that play, there is not a mandatory 1:21:06.479 --> 1:21:09.880 outside release. That's just best release, Like whatever your best 1:21:09.920 --> 1:21:11.640 move is off the line of scrimmage, give me that 1:21:11.800 --> 1:21:14.400 and get yourself off the line and get yourself open. 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:18.800 And he didn't really have much there in terms of that, 1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:20.640 And I think it was Killy Ringo, right, who I 1:21:20.680 --> 1:21:23.439 do like a lot. Killy Ringo just bodied him into 1:21:23.479 --> 1:21:27.120 the sideline because there's no wiggle there at the line 1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:29.880 of scrimmage. He's got to get better there. And then 1:21:29.920 --> 1:21:32.400 obviously there's the stuff with the drops and with his hands, 1:21:32.439 --> 1:21:34.320 and I thought he slowed a little bit up on 1:21:34.360 --> 1:21:36.240 that post route, you know, trying to track the ball. 1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:38.240 Like he comes out of the break, which was a 1:21:38.320 --> 1:21:40.160 nice break by the way, a nice little nod, and 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:42.880 then hit the post and he comes out of it 1:21:42.920 --> 1:21:44.840 and he's like looking up for the ball because he 1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:48.559 doesn't have his eyes back into the backfield yet, so 1:21:48.600 --> 1:21:50.280 he's like looking for the ball. And when he looks 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:52.280 for the ball, he slowed down a little bit. And 1:21:52.360 --> 1:21:54.880 if he doesn't slow down, that's in stride instead of 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:57.320 him laying out to try to catch the football. It's 1:21:57.360 --> 1:21:59.400 just little things like that. But I just don't want 1:21:59.439 --> 1:22:02.559 people to be prized with Baker if he doesn't play 1:22:02.600 --> 1:22:04.880 a ton early on in the season. Yeah, because I 1:22:04.920 --> 1:22:06.400 know we're gonna get the calls and we're gonna get 1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:08.639 the emails and people. You know, it's the same thing 1:22:08.680 --> 1:22:11.519 with a Kaishan booty or what. Why isn't this guy playing? 1:22:11.520 --> 1:22:14.280 Why isn't this guy playing? And and these are the 1:22:14.280 --> 1:22:17.000 reasons why he's not playing. Uh so we'll see you 1:22:17.240 --> 1:22:20.559 with both these guys. Top three right now seems to 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:27.599 be Thorton, Douglas Polk, maybe kJ Osborne is like rotting 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:30.479 there three and a half with Jalen Polk. They want 1:22:30.479 --> 1:22:33.280 to go bigger, take pop off the field early down. Yeah, yeah, 1:22:33.400 --> 1:22:36.080 and that that seems to be the top three. People 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:37.759 really want to know what I think about Matt Landers. 1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:40.160 Huh, they're still going on about it. 1:22:40.200 --> 1:22:43.920 Okay, So my take on Matt Landers. I remember him 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:47.479 coming out with Arkansas end. When you run a four 1:22:47.520 --> 1:22:51.360 three seven, it catches the eye at six four catches 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:55.479 the eye. We went over all at the beginning of 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:57.800 the show, all the stuff about Taekwon and the role 1:22:57.880 --> 1:23:00.519 and all that. Yeah, that exists for him in this offense. 1:23:01.040 --> 1:23:03.960 The biggest thing that I saw with Matt Landers though, 1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:08.280 that he struggles with is rowt ttail, you know, not 1:23:08.439 --> 1:23:13.479 exactly a technician, you know, he's a raw athlete right now, 1:23:14.200 --> 1:23:16.360 maybe they feel like that they can develop those types 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:18.800 of guys better now than they could before. I'm not 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:22.639 holding my breath on that just yet. Yeah, but he's 1:23:22.680 --> 1:23:26.680 someone that if you're a Javon Baker just a little bit. 1:23:26.720 --> 1:23:29.040 I'm not saying it's Javon Baker's making the team like 1:23:29.080 --> 1:23:32.599 no one's saying yeah yeah, But if you're a Javon 1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:35.640 Baker and that uh with running with the twos and 1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:37.599 the threes in that X role, this is a guy 1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:41.600 that that could conceivably do that. Like Jaqwai Jackson was 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:44.880 the third X. He gets injured. Now Matt Landers is 1:23:44.960 --> 1:23:46.880 the third X. That's the way I look at it. 1:23:46.920 --> 1:23:49.000 And I, by the way, I'm right there with you 1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:51.639 in that. I think he's here because jaquaih Jackson got hurt. Yeah, 1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:55.360 similar receiver. Like I said, six four ten, ran a 1:23:55.400 --> 1:23:57.880 four three seven, you're six four two ten, you run 1:23:57.920 --> 1:24:00.360 a four to three seven, you go undrafted. What does 1:24:00.400 --> 1:24:03.240 that tell you? Yeah, right, that he's an incredibly raw, 1:24:03.720 --> 1:24:05.719 raw player. I don't mind him as a practice squad 1:24:05.760 --> 1:24:07.559 it just like I was saying, I like Jaquoi Jackson 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:09.759 for the practice squad. Yeah, kind can't around see what happens. 1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:12.360 Maybe if you really get get beat up depth wise, 1:24:12.400 --> 1:24:14.600 like I'd feel comfortable putting him in a game. I 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:15.880 don't know that I feel great about it, but I 1:24:16.000 --> 1:24:19.599 feel comfortable with it. I put Matt Landers in that conversation, 1:24:19.680 --> 1:24:22.200 so hopefully six around on the practice squad. But I 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:23.559 don't think he's anything more than that. 1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:26.559 Yeah, I agree with that. All right, let's take Patty's 1:24:26.560 --> 1:24:28.599 call and then we'll read some more of these emails 1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:32.320 in the show. Patty is an aquan. What's up, Patty? 1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:34.160 What's going on? Guys? 1:24:34.200 --> 1:24:36.280 How you doing good? 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:36.599 Good? 1:24:36.800 --> 1:24:38.960 So you know, I like throwing the questions at you 1:24:39.000 --> 1:24:42.160 guys all the time because there's two of you. So yeah, 1:24:42.360 --> 1:24:45.439 the first one before we get into like the roster 1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:47.640 breakdown next week, which I'm I know you guys are 1:24:47.640 --> 1:24:50.880 going to do, and previewing the break Bengals game the 1:24:51.320 --> 1:24:56.280 subsequent week sight unseen, And I'm going to bring up 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:59.120 something that I brought up a little while ago. I 1:24:59.160 --> 1:25:02.680 think after the draft and after the schedule came out, 1:25:02.840 --> 1:25:06.360 you guys think, honestly, regardless of who the starting quarterback is. 1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:09.400 Question to one, do they have a chance to beat 1:25:09.400 --> 1:25:13.040 the Bengals, because, like I brought up before many weeks ago, 1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:16.120 they are notoriously slow starters in the Joe Burrow era. 1:25:16.680 --> 1:25:18.720 And if you look at one of the teams that's 1:25:18.760 --> 1:25:21.479 given them problems, you know, over the past couple of years, 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:24.240 it's been the Cleveland Browns in this system. 1:25:24.080 --> 1:25:24.320 You know. 1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:29.920 And the second question, you're talking about wide receivers. Do 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:34.280 you think, because for all intensive purposes, Taekwan's probably going 1:25:34.320 --> 1:25:37.559 to make the team, do you think with you know, 1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:40.360 if he has a few regular season games something that 1:25:40.400 --> 1:25:42.639 we haven't seen from him, do you think he could 1:25:42.640 --> 1:25:45.360 actually become not a great player, but like kind of 1:25:45.360 --> 1:25:47.559 like a middle of the road receiver and somebody that 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:51.639 can you can see like contributing into Drake may era 1:25:51.920 --> 1:25:53.920 as it were, on this team. I'll take it off 1:25:53.960 --> 1:25:55.360 the air and there's always the guys are. 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:58.760 Great, right, thanks Patty, So do the Taekwon thing, and 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:03.040 I'll letting myself get do that much with Taekwon. I 1:26:03.080 --> 1:26:05.360 don't feel like he's going to ever be in a 1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:09.080 thousand yard receiver or anything crazy like that, but can 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:12.519 he be a role player within the framework of this 1:26:12.600 --> 1:26:14.400 offense and the way that they're going to design this 1:26:14.479 --> 1:26:16.080 offense can be a little bit different than it was 1:26:16.120 --> 1:26:19.920 in the past, I would think. So that's where I'm at. 1:26:20.120 --> 1:26:23.439 I'm not going any further than that. I believe he 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:24.920 could be a role player, Like he could be a 1:26:24.920 --> 1:26:27.719 field stretching role player. Trying to think of a good example, 1:26:27.760 --> 1:26:29.640 like maybe like a Philip dor Set, you know, but 1:26:30.200 --> 1:26:32.639 obviously a little bit different because he's longer than taller 1:26:32.720 --> 1:26:35.559 than Philip Dorset was, but like something along those lines, 1:26:35.560 --> 1:26:42.719 which is a serviceable NFL caliber field stretcher. But not again, 1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:47.000 not tyreek Kill, not you know, Randy Moss, like not 1:26:47.400 --> 1:26:50.600 like the not a high volume guy, but somebody that 1:26:50.640 --> 1:26:53.320 could do that sort of thing. I could sell myself 1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:55.600 on that. That's about as far as I would go. 1:26:56.960 --> 1:27:00.479 Yeah, yeah, just kind of that, you know, like Nelson 1:27:00.479 --> 1:27:02.920 Aguilar type. I guess that's gonna be the best. I 1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:05.280 was trying to remember. Wasn't one of there's like ten 1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:07.080 Mike Williams. That's why I can't remember. Wasn't there a 1:27:07.080 --> 1:27:08.920 Mike Williams that played for the Steelers who was just. 1:27:08.880 --> 1:27:10.519 Like a burner Mike Wallace. 1:27:10.680 --> 1:27:13.760 Mike Wallace. That's yeah, there's so many Mike Williams. Yeah, 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:16.360 I always forget about Mike Wallace. Like Mike and Mike 1:27:16.360 --> 1:27:17.960 Wallace had a long career. He was in the league 1:27:17.960 --> 1:27:20.639 for like ten years. He's never he had a couple 1:27:20.640 --> 1:27:22.400 of thousand yard seasons early, but he was just kind 1:27:22.400 --> 1:27:24.479 of we're gonna put you on the outside, yeah, and 1:27:24.479 --> 1:27:26.280 you're gonna run a go ball. And he was consistent 1:27:26.360 --> 1:27:27.320 enough that he stayed on the field. 1:27:27.400 --> 1:27:27.559 Yeah. 1:27:27.560 --> 1:27:29.520 He got ten touchdowns one year in Miami. 1:27:29.280 --> 1:27:32.120 Like, yeah, it signed a big contract with the Dolphs. 1:27:31.840 --> 1:27:34.240 Right, could he be that? That's probably his ceiling. That's 1:27:34.240 --> 1:27:40.000 probably Taekwon's ceiling. Yeah, somewhere between uh uh, Nelson Agil 1:27:40.040 --> 1:27:42.719 or Mike Wallace. But if he can put it together, 1:27:42.760 --> 1:27:44.160 that's the kind of player you're looking at. 1:27:44.520 --> 1:27:45.559 I'll give you one more just. 1:27:45.479 --> 1:27:46.920 But he's got to stay healthy to be able to 1:27:46.920 --> 1:27:48.760 do that, which I'll believe when I see it. 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:50.040 Yeah, I'll give you one more just because of the 1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:50.639 body type. 1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:50.920 Yeah. 1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:56.720 Robbie Anderson like actually Jets, Like I hate to use 1:27:56.880 --> 1:28:00.120 prime with Robbie Anderson, but like when Robby Anderson was 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:01.480 actually relevant, Okay. 1:28:01.240 --> 1:28:06.000 Like you know, I I thought Robbie Anderson in Carolina. 1:28:06.080 --> 1:28:07.840 Like when he had that breakout here in Carolina, I 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:10.599 was so ready to be like, this guy is it, 1:28:11.080 --> 1:28:12.840 this guy is going to be an elite receiver. And 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:17.720 then obviously he just completely fell off the map. But yeah, yeah, 1:28:17.760 --> 1:28:20.320 I could see that. I hold Robbie robb it's Robbie 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:22.720 chosen now, by the way, whatever it is, I hold 1:28:22.840 --> 1:28:26.439 Robbie chosen in high regard for that one season. That 1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:30.040 one season, I was locked. I was locked in, I 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:33.280 was ready to I was on the band. Met mister oh, 1:28:33.320 --> 1:28:36.000 it's the best. I remember when when they came here 1:28:36.040 --> 1:28:38.639 for a joint practice last year, like he did a scrum. Yeah, 1:28:38.720 --> 1:28:41.320 but he was like he kind of confused as to 1:28:41.320 --> 1:28:42.679 while the reporters were talking to him. 1:28:43.360 --> 1:28:46.240 I'm sure he did. I think he always looks confused. 1:28:46.240 --> 1:28:47.679 That's just Robbie Anderson's face. 1:28:48.000 --> 1:28:50.320 He no, but like you're to go back to the point, 1:28:50.360 --> 1:28:52.360 like you're exactly right, that kind of player where he 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:55.040 wasn't the most technically sound wide receiver. No, he didn't 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:57.360 run a diverse rout tree. But if he needed somebody 1:28:57.360 --> 1:28:59.160 to run past the defense, he was pretty freaking good 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:01.519 at it. Fast guy or run fast right and That's 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:04.160 that's it. But not just fast, big and fat and big. 1:29:04.200 --> 1:29:06.760 When I say big, I mean height because that helps. 1:29:06.760 --> 1:29:08.880 Because that's length. You can improves the catch radius. 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:12.320 That's that. That to me has always been Taekwon's Yeah, 1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:14.599 Peke Robbie Anderson has always been Taekwon seiling. 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:18.439 Well again, Pete Robby Anderson, you're talking about borderline all pro. No, 1:29:18.720 --> 1:29:21.840 he wasn't that ninety five catches, eleven hundred yards. He 1:29:21.920 --> 1:29:23.440 somehow only caught three touchdowns. 1:29:23.520 --> 1:29:25.320 Okay, but maybe it's a little bit better than I thought. 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:28.040 But still ninety that year in Carolina and that I 1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:30.439 don't think that was a great Carolina team in twenty twenty. 1:29:30.560 --> 1:29:32.680 That that he's not in. Taekwon is never going to 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:35.479 catch ninety five passes, So that that's that's act. 1:29:35.640 --> 1:29:38.679 So Mike Wallace for comparison, Mike Wallace is big year 1:29:39.360 --> 1:29:41.240 and the yards are more. And maybe this is borderline 1:29:41.240 --> 1:29:43.759 all pro too, but Mike Walla's big here. He caught 1:29:44.360 --> 1:29:48.280 sixty passes for twelve hundred yards in ten touchdowns. He 1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:51.559 averaged twenty one yards per catch. Like, if Taekwon's good, 1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:53.519 that's the guy he's gonna be. It's an average twenty 1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:55.240 one yards per catch. He's only gonna catch two or 1:29:55.240 --> 1:29:57.200 three balls a game, kind of like Javon Baker. I 1:29:57.200 --> 1:29:59.160 think Jayvon Baker is the guy they wanted in that role. 1:29:59.360 --> 1:30:01.479 It didn't work out, And now here's Taekwon. He caught 1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:05.040 sixty for twelve hundred, seventy for twelve hundred. Later in 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:08.160 his career, caught seventy two for one thousand in Baltimore. 1:30:08.280 --> 1:30:09.080 That's a good Colm. 1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:10.759 He's kind of perfect Joe Flacko receiver. 1:30:11.520 --> 1:30:14.120 Can I just call out somebody in the chat real fast? 1:30:14.200 --> 1:30:14.400 Yeah? 1:30:14.400 --> 1:30:16.120 You look the cha I did look at the chat. 1:30:16.160 --> 1:30:17.439 I've been trying to look at the chat a little 1:30:17.439 --> 1:30:19.519 bit more. I know, usually monitored the chat, but I 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:21.240 like to look at it and see if it's we. 1:30:21.280 --> 1:30:23.400 Do look so like the guy called me chubby earlier, 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:25.000 Like we see that you're gonna call us out. We 1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:25.400 see it. 1:30:25.720 --> 1:30:27.200 So I don't. I don't. I don't even know how 1:30:27.240 --> 1:30:32.639 to say. This guy's name ant Antiquippo, ant Guapo and Guapo, Yep, 1:30:32.760 --> 1:30:35.320 he does not like you. Aunt Guampo claims that I 1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:38.920 was out on Pop Douglas somebody else. 1:30:38.960 --> 1:30:40.880 It might have been him, somebody claims that you are 1:30:40.920 --> 1:30:43.920 too big of a college football fan in your opinions 1:30:43.920 --> 1:30:45.040 on players get blurred. 1:30:45.320 --> 1:30:49.960 Somebody said that's probably you. They probably said both of us. 1:30:50.080 --> 1:30:52.599 Honestly, no, he said Alex and Evan. He said you too. 1:30:52.880 --> 1:30:56.360 You Evan college football nutt too big of a college football. 1:30:56.040 --> 1:30:59.240 Fan for AP Currently, though I was down on the 1:30:59.320 --> 1:31:01.160 draft pick when the drafted Pop Douglas. 1:31:01.960 --> 1:31:04.799 Honestly don't remember. No, Yeah, you liked Pop. I've always 1:31:04.800 --> 1:31:06.439 liked you were I think you were probably bummed in 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:09.320 and takes a Flowers, but I we we saw Pop 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:12.200 at this We started the whole Pop Douglas there. We 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:14.960 literally were the reason why Pop Douglas was on the map. 1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:18.040 If you were if you looked on NFL mock draft 1:31:18.120 --> 1:31:21.080 database at that time and you see Pop Douglas's draft stock, 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:23.400 He's like the four hundredth best player in the draft. 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:25.280 And then the Shrine Bowl happened. We were the only 1:31:25.280 --> 1:31:27.000 two people that were talking about it in the Shrine Bowl. 1:31:27.200 --> 1:31:31.040 It shoots up that Isla. I love these podcasts. 1:31:31.080 --> 1:31:33.160 I will allow people to call me out when I'm wrong, 1:31:33.240 --> 1:31:35.840 like I talked about earlier in the show. That's fine, 1:31:36.320 --> 1:31:38.439 But if you go we were live on the air 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:40.800 when they draft. Go watch my live reaction to them 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:43.400 drafting Pop Douglas. I was pumped. I was in a 1:31:43.439 --> 1:31:46.000 depressed state when they gave me Jake Andrews and a kicker. 1:31:46.080 --> 1:31:48.200 He says, you were down Evan when he was drafted. 1:31:48.280 --> 1:31:51.559 That is absolutely ridiculous. That is I'm trying to think, 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:53.000 can be further from the truth. 1:31:53.040 --> 1:31:55.080 Who might he be thinking of. I have no idea 1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:57.080 you weren't down on Booty. I don't think he cared 1:31:57.320 --> 1:31:59.280 one way or the other, the guy like the other 1:31:59.360 --> 1:32:00.719 receiver that I. 1:32:00.680 --> 1:32:04.880 Remember my almost exactly what I said in uh in 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:08.000 the draft, I said Pop Douglas saved Day three of 1:32:08.040 --> 1:32:10.880 the draft for the day Day three d I said 1:32:10.920 --> 1:32:15.440 that was the nickname Dave. I remember saying it. Ridiculous, blasphemy, blasphemy. 1:32:15.960 --> 1:32:17.920 Just he says, you said it, so somebody's gonna have 1:32:17.920 --> 1:32:18.400 to pull the table. 1:32:18.439 --> 1:32:21.120 Yeah, go pull the t of our Day three draft 1:32:21.160 --> 1:32:25.000 show from twenty twenty three, the of me being amped 1:32:25.160 --> 1:32:25.880 about Pop Doug. 1:32:26.000 --> 1:32:28.559 The only thing he might be thinking of, the only 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:30.280 thing he might be thinking of is I go back 1:32:30.320 --> 1:32:33.640 to that would have been twenty three, right, Yeah, for 1:32:33.840 --> 1:32:38.120 like a month after the Shrine Bowl. You very much 1:32:38.280 --> 1:32:41.360 liked Pop Douglas, but you could not remember his name 1:32:43.120 --> 1:32:45.320 because there was another guy that was there. There were 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:48.360 two guys that were what's it called in the first 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:52.200 when the two letters are the same, of like uh, 1:32:52.720 --> 1:32:54.840 because he was he was ja Mario Douglas. Who knows 1:32:54.840 --> 1:32:57.080 his name was pap yet yeah to Mario Douglas. And 1:32:57.080 --> 1:33:00.400 there's a guy named Dallas Day from Jackson State, and 1:33:00.439 --> 1:33:02.559 that was who we both we kind of liked too 1:33:02.600 --> 1:33:03.719 as like a specialties player. 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:06.760 He was in the city. It was they literally had 1:33:06.880 --> 1:33:11.200 three levels of the same player at the Shrine Bowl. 1:33:11.320 --> 1:33:13.680 It was Zay Flowers was the top guy, Pop was 1:33:13.720 --> 1:33:16.200 the second guy, and then Dallas Daniels was the third. 1:33:16.320 --> 1:33:19.879 Zayden practice. So it was Dallas Daniels and Mario Douglas 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:22.559 in the same role like switching off drives. By the way, 1:33:22.640 --> 1:33:26.680 Dallas Daniels is playing professional football in the state of Massachusetts. 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:27.320 Worster pirates. 1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:28.400 Oh my, good for him. 1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:30.479 But that's the only thing I can think of you 1:33:30.520 --> 1:33:32.280 it took you like a month to figure out to 1:33:32.320 --> 1:33:33.280 Mario Douglas's name. 1:33:33.320 --> 1:33:36.680 I do remember that I could not He was like 1:33:36.720 --> 1:33:38.720 my day three sleeper like I could not have been 1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:41.280 higher on Da Mario Douglas anyway, Sorry, we can move on. 1:33:41.360 --> 1:33:43.960 I just remember Jadakiss Bonds. Yes, that's a great name. 1:33:44.280 --> 1:33:46.479 All right, let's answer some of these emails. He was 1:33:46.520 --> 1:33:50.679 also Vallie Slow last thirty minutes here. So in Canada, 1:33:51.560 --> 1:33:54.160 are you done? Yeah? 1:33:54.240 --> 1:33:57.120 This question is Ryan in Dublin. He has a question 1:33:57.160 --> 1:33:58.960 for you, mostly Alex, because he knows that I'm not 1:33:59.000 --> 1:34:01.360 going to know the answer to this one. So apparently 1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:03.840 Florida State Georgia Tech is playing. 1:34:03.920 --> 1:34:06.560 Week zero baby college football on Saturday. 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:09.320 They're playing in Dublin. Is that? Did you know that 1:34:09.479 --> 1:34:12.240 they're playing in Ireland? Yeah? All right, so they're playing 1:34:12.240 --> 1:34:14.880 in Dublin. So his question for you, Alex is who 1:34:14.920 --> 1:34:16.760 are a couple of key players for the draft next 1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:21.280 year from Florida State and from Georgia Tech that maybe 1:34:21.320 --> 1:34:23.360 he can look out for while he's at the game. 1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:25.479 So I'm actually I'll have something up on ninety eight 1:34:25.520 --> 1:34:26.879 five the Sports Lub on Friday. 1:34:26.920 --> 1:34:27.639 I know you would. 1:34:29.600 --> 1:34:31.200 Kind of players to watch for this whole season, not 1:34:31.360 --> 1:34:34.519 just week one. When it comes to Georgia Tech, it's 1:34:34.560 --> 1:34:36.080 not a big gear for the draft. I don't even 1:34:36.080 --> 1:34:37.759 know if they have any guys projected to be drafted. 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:40.080 That can always change, but right now not so much. 1:34:40.640 --> 1:34:43.920 I'll give you two guys from Florida State, one specifically 1:34:43.920 --> 1:34:46.840 for the Patriots and one that's relevant to the Patriots 1:34:46.880 --> 1:34:50.439 that they won't draft, but it's still uh they might draft. 1:34:50.439 --> 1:34:52.960 All right. The guy Patriots fan Shoudo and I actually 1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:54.439 talked about him last year. I thought he was gonna 1:34:54.439 --> 1:34:56.759 come out last year and he didn't is Patrick Payton. 1:34:57.520 --> 1:35:01.000 Patrick Payton is an edge rusher. He opposite Chared Vers 1:35:01.080 --> 1:35:03.439 last year, so he put up some big numbers. He's 1:35:03.479 --> 1:35:05.880 now back. He's gonna be their primary guy off the edge. 1:35:06.880 --> 1:35:08.479 When we talked, we talked about this earlier with ke 1:35:08.600 --> 1:35:10.840 On White. Evan, this is actually a guy that you 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:15.759 specifically should watch because this goes see your take. Keon 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:18.559 White is a disruptor. He's not a finisher. You want 1:35:18.560 --> 1:35:21.160 the guy on the edge, the josh Ucha type. Just 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:23.679 pin your ears back and go after the quarterback. Yes, 1:35:23.880 --> 1:35:26.240 that's Patrick Payton. And what I really like about him 1:35:26.240 --> 1:35:28.559 he played last year at like two hundred, twenty five 1:35:28.560 --> 1:35:30.720 to twenty six to five. Played last year at like 1:35:30.720 --> 1:35:33.040 two twenty five to two thirty. He weighed in this 1:35:33.120 --> 1:35:35.840 year at two point fifty, so now he's got more 1:35:35.920 --> 1:35:38.280 that Matthew Judon kind of body type. It's actually a 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:41.240 little I think bigger, but he was a speed player 1:35:41.280 --> 1:35:43.080 last year, so if he can keep up some of 1:35:43.120 --> 1:35:46.000 that speed and agility coming off the edge, this is 1:35:46.000 --> 1:35:48.120 a guy that's protected to be a late first early 1:35:48.160 --> 1:35:51.479 second round pick. So certainly in range where the Patriots 1:35:51.479 --> 1:35:53.840 should be taking an edge guy, assuming they go tackle 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:55.120 at the top of the draft. You know, if you 1:35:55.160 --> 1:35:57.720 get a veteran wide receiver, now, edge is probably your 1:35:57.720 --> 1:35:58.360 biggest need. 1:35:58.520 --> 1:35:58.760 YEP. 1:35:59.320 --> 1:36:03.040 Patrick Pate is one of the guys for Patriots fans 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:07.080 to watch this year. Absolutely somebody to tune into. He 1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:09.800 wears number eleven and he's mostly gonna be rushing off 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:12.880 that week side the other guy on Florida State at 1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:15.439 Georgia Tech. There's really no draft Haines King's fun to 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:19.600 watch their quarterback enjoy that, but he's like five eleven 1:36:20.000 --> 1:36:23.479 really just runs. He's kind of he's got some hot 1:36:23.560 --> 1:36:27.599 stetson Bennett in his game, but like I honestly little 1:36:27.640 --> 1:36:30.360 Max Duggan, but he doesn't have the swagger the other 1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:32.200 guy to watch and Evan, you've heard me talk a 1:36:32.240 --> 1:36:33.960 lot about this guy, and I'll give you two reasons 1:36:33.960 --> 1:36:36.880 why Patriots SPAN should watch him. Dj Uey ungle A 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:41.439 the quarterback from Florida State. Listen, no, listen, no, let. 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:43.960 Me explain it, did you, bo Nix? Is that where 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:44.679 you're going with this. 1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:48.080 Sort of there's two There's two reasons I think Patriots 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:53.759 SPAN should watch him. One is bo Nicks slash Jayden Daniels. 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:57.920 It's a copycat league. If Jayden Daniels has a big year, 1:36:58.640 --> 1:37:01.919 everybody is going to be looking for that older transfer 1:37:02.040 --> 1:37:05.559 quarterback who's projected lower in the draft that suddenly pops 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:08.440 off the other guy that that relates somewhat to djungle 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:12.320 a copycat league. Spencer Rattler dje Ungla has had a 1:37:12.400 --> 1:37:16.240 very similar career path. They're different quarterbacks. Dju. I'm gonna 1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:19.040 call him Dju because he's here to say, yeah, six five, 1:37:19.120 --> 1:37:22.760 two forty five, big, big arm. Spencer Rattler smaller and 1:37:22.800 --> 1:37:26.639 more mobile, but former top recruit went to a bad situation. 1:37:26.880 --> 1:37:29.280 Not just former like number one, number one recruit. 1:37:29.320 --> 1:37:31.479 When I say to mean topper, I think dj was 1:37:31.560 --> 1:37:33.720 number two by the time his class has ended, but 1:37:33.760 --> 1:37:34.559 he was number one. 1:37:34.439 --> 1:37:36.439 For a while because that that's the same class that 1:37:36.520 --> 1:37:36.960 Drake was in. 1:37:37.200 --> 1:37:40.759 Yes, Yeah, went to Clemson, didn't work. Went to Oregon 1:37:40.800 --> 1:37:43.400 State last year, made some progrect. Clemson ruined the kid. 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:44.960 I don't know what they were trying to turn him into, 1:37:45.200 --> 1:37:48.559 but it wasn't right. Went to so probably something right. 1:37:48.600 --> 1:37:51.720 Went to Oregon State last year, made progress. Now he's 1:37:51.720 --> 1:37:54.799 at a Florida State offense that I think really plays 1:37:54.840 --> 1:37:56.800 to his skill set. They got a ton of speed, 1:37:56.800 --> 1:37:58.519 They're gonna be throwing the ball all over the yard. 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:00.800 He's got a big arm. He's not a runner, but 1:38:00.840 --> 1:38:03.920 he's effective when he gets to the outside. If he 1:38:03.960 --> 1:38:06.679 has a good year, teams are gonna he is going. 1:38:06.760 --> 1:38:09.360 He's a guy that I could see becoming this year's 1:38:09.439 --> 1:38:12.680 jayde Daniels in that nobody thought this guy because he 1:38:12.760 --> 1:38:14.400 was in the wrong place, in the wrong time for 1:38:14.439 --> 1:38:15.960 a long time. If he has a good year, not 1:38:16.040 --> 1:38:19.679 a guarantee. The other reason Patriots fans so in that sense, sorry, 1:38:19.680 --> 1:38:21.759 how that relates to the Patriots. Yes, let me finish 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:25.120 the take. There are gonna be teams that need quarterbacks 1:38:25.240 --> 1:38:27.880 next year. The Raiders, the Giants, et cetera. They might 1:38:27.920 --> 1:38:31.439 need to move up with the Patriots. The more good 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:33.920 quarterbacks the better, even though the Patriots aren't drafting one, 1:38:33.920 --> 1:38:35.960 because if they're in a position where you can draft 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:38.519 Will Campbell and trade down, or you can draft Will 1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:41.040 Johnson and trade down or James Pearce and trade down, 1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:45.280 the more quarterbacks the better. So it's good for Patriots 1:38:45.280 --> 1:38:47.720 fans of tj O. Junglay is good. Let's say he's 1:38:47.760 --> 1:38:50.040 not good. I still think he's relevant to the Patriots. 1:38:50.040 --> 1:38:53.240 And I'll tell you why. What is the Elliott wolf 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:57.800 Packer way approach to drafting quarterbacks? Joe Milton, Well, I 1:38:57.880 --> 1:39:00.280 was gonna say every other year, if not every year, Right, 1:39:00.360 --> 1:39:02.840 that's so they're gonna draft. I would not be surprised 1:39:02.840 --> 1:39:04.800 if they draft a quarterback next year. It's gonna be later. 1:39:04.880 --> 1:39:05.799 It would be Joe Milton. 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:09.160 So I oo young. He doesn't. He's a little different 1:39:09.200 --> 1:39:10.040 than Joe Milton, but. 1:39:10.080 --> 1:39:11.320 He reminds me of a little of Joe Melton. 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:13.479 Big quarterback, big. 1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:15.719 Arm, big quarterback, big arm, who can't read the field. 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:18.320 Big quarterback, big arm who can't read. If they drafted 1:39:18.400 --> 1:39:21.040 Drake May, big quarterback, big arm, unless you want to 1:39:21.080 --> 1:39:22.280 say Drake May can't read the field. 1:39:22.439 --> 1:39:26.160 No, I'm saying that it's similar to Joe Milton. Yeah, 1:39:26.320 --> 1:39:29.920 so anyways, quite as raw toolsy as like Joe. He's 1:39:29.920 --> 1:39:30.840 got a bigger arm and all that. 1:39:30.920 --> 1:39:33.640 But Milton has a bigger arm, and I think ou 1:39:33.720 --> 1:39:35.880 Jung lays a little more developed than his mechanics. Maybe 1:39:35.880 --> 1:39:39.439 not reading the field, his mechanics are better. They're gonna. 1:39:39.600 --> 1:39:41.280 I would not be surprised they draft a quarterback on 1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:44.120 Day three next year, and dj you is definitely the 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:46.479 kind of quarterback that they seem to target. Okay, so 1:39:46.600 --> 1:39:47.839 Patrick Payton DJU. 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:49.720 So I had the classes wrong, but I went down 1:39:49.800 --> 1:39:51.880 this rabbit hole and I wrote my story about Drake 1:39:51.920 --> 1:39:53.920 May after the draft. Drake May was twenty twenty one, 1:39:54.520 --> 1:39:58.120 DJU was twenty twenty. Yeah, but Drake May had an 1:39:58.120 --> 1:40:01.719 offer from Clemson on the table that he turned down 1:40:01.760 --> 1:40:04.599 because DJU was going to Clemson. So the number one 1:40:04.640 --> 1:40:08.360 recruit in that class was Bryce Young. He originally Bryce 1:40:08.360 --> 1:40:10.920 Young committed to a USC. Yep, he's gonna play for 1:40:10.960 --> 1:40:16.000 Lincoln Riley at yesseh. He decommitted from USC and then 1:40:17.280 --> 1:40:22.759 flipped to Alabama obviously, So he goes to Alabama. Drake 1:40:22.840 --> 1:40:25.960 May in the twenty one class was committed to Alabama 1:40:26.080 --> 1:40:28.360 because he thought he was gonna be the guy after 1:40:28.400 --> 1:40:32.600 the you know Mac Jones. Yeah, correct, So he de 1:40:32.640 --> 1:40:36.320 commits from Alabama because Bryce's young committed to Alabama. DJU 1:40:36.360 --> 1:40:39.200 commits to Clemson, so he doesn't go to Clemson. Ye, 1:40:39.320 --> 1:40:40.639 because dj U's at Clemson. 1:40:41.200 --> 1:40:41.519 C J. 1:40:41.720 --> 1:40:45.600 Stroud goes to Ohio State. So Drake May doesn't go 1:40:45.600 --> 1:40:49.280 to Ohio State because c J. Stroud commits to Ohio State. 1:40:49.640 --> 1:40:53.160 So all these sort of like dominoes is like what 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:55.639 led to Drake May eventually going to North Carolin. 1:40:55.680 --> 1:40:57.479 So as much of a college football fan as I am, 1:40:57.520 --> 1:40:59.800 I don't follow recruiting a ton. I'm like aware of 1:40:59.840 --> 1:41:02.120 the big players, but I don't track it. I don't 1:41:02.120 --> 1:41:05.280 really look beyond the senior class. It's you think, like 1:41:05.360 --> 1:41:07.120 the draft and free agency, and there's a lot of 1:41:07.120 --> 1:41:10.519 moving pieces there following recruiting, especially in the modern era, 1:41:10.840 --> 1:41:13.000 it's a roller coaster. 1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:13.479 Yeah. 1:41:13.520 --> 1:41:15.040 Meanwhile, you know it was so number three in that 1:41:15.040 --> 1:41:16.600 class was Brian Berzy, where I think a lot of 1:41:16.600 --> 1:41:18.799 people know. First round pick number four was Julian Fleming. 1:41:19.680 --> 1:41:21.920 I'm really interested to see and we can get back 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:24.240 to modern times after this. I one more draft thought 1:41:24.240 --> 1:41:24.559 for you. 1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:27.400 So, Julian Fleming draft question for you, I think so okay. 1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:30.960 For all of the stars that have come through Ohio 1:41:31.080 --> 1:41:33.639 State at wide receiver, do you know who the highest 1:41:33.680 --> 1:41:36.360 ranked recruit was going back to I mean, I think 1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:39.519 we're going back to like Paris Campbell here. Ye, the 1:41:39.600 --> 1:41:42.160 highest ranked recruit was a guy named Julian Fleming. He 1:41:42.240 --> 1:41:44.719 was the fourth rank recruit in that class. Bryce Young, Dju, 1:41:44.760 --> 1:41:47.800 Brian Berzee, Julian Fleming. He is the one guy they 1:41:47.800 --> 1:41:50.880 couldn't figure out. He was there for four years. He 1:41:51.000 --> 1:41:53.960 was fine, he was never great. He kept getting passed 1:41:53.960 --> 1:41:56.240 over by these other guys, and now he's at pet 1:41:56.240 --> 1:41:58.840 Penn State for a grad year. Yeah, so he's gonna 1:41:58.840 --> 1:42:00.680 come in the draft and there's going to be a 1:42:00.680 --> 1:42:03.479 lot of people that say Julian Fleming red flag. He's 1:42:03.479 --> 1:42:05.960 the one receiver Ohio State couldn't figure out. I don't 1:42:05.960 --> 1:42:07.599 know why they couldn't figure him out and neverb watching 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:09.679 that closely because again, he couldn't really get on the field. 1:42:11.640 --> 1:42:14.040 Can't tell me you're not interested by the one receiver 1:42:14.880 --> 1:42:17.439 that Ohio State couldn't crack, and he's like their highest 1:42:17.479 --> 1:42:18.960 ranked recruit at the position. 1:42:18.640 --> 1:42:21.840 That doesn't bow well, Brian Hartline couldn't. 1:42:22.120 --> 1:42:23.679 Like I'm curious, and it's not that he was bad. 1:42:23.720 --> 1:42:25.639 He just kept getting passed by all these other guys 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:27.240 and I'm kind of curious why. 1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:29.720 I'm actually and the answer this question, I know this 1:42:29.800 --> 1:42:31.439 is not your wasn't your point, but the answer to 1:42:31.439 --> 1:42:33.840 this question is probably that Ohio State played pays Brian 1:42:33.880 --> 1:42:37.160 Hartline like a gajillion dollars to stay there. I am 1:42:37.200 --> 1:42:41.360 so shocked that an NFL team hasn't offered Brian Hartline 1:42:41.600 --> 1:42:42.280 just eight hours. 1:42:42.320 --> 1:42:44.720 I say this all the time, Truck, like how have 1:42:44.840 --> 1:42:45.120 you not? 1:42:45.320 --> 1:42:47.559 And I get that some of it is like chicken 1:42:47.600 --> 1:42:49.800 with the egg because they recruit so well. So like 1:42:49.840 --> 1:42:51.760 you could say that Marvin Harrison Junior was going to 1:42:51.800 --> 1:42:53.240 be good no matter where he went, well. 1:42:53.120 --> 1:42:55.320 He was like he was not as highly ranked crew. 1:42:55.400 --> 1:42:57.920 And it's also just not Marv, Like it's it's Marv, 1:42:58.000 --> 1:43:01.120 it's McLaurin, it's JSN. It's like the list goes on 1:43:01.160 --> 1:43:03.800 and on and on of recent Ohio State. You know, 1:43:03.920 --> 1:43:08.719 Wilson a lave like all these guys are just studs. 1:43:09.240 --> 1:43:11.840 And Brian Hardline is the coach like he's the one, 1:43:11.920 --> 1:43:15.160 he's the whisperer, he's the wide receiver guy. So I 1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:18.519 can't believe that an NFL team hasn't just thrown I 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:20.040 throw ten million at that guy to coach. 1:43:20.320 --> 1:43:24.120 Remember the name, and I already forgot his name, Julian Fleming. 1:43:24.200 --> 1:43:26.800 I'm curious what you think when we get there? 1:43:26.840 --> 1:43:29.400 All right, a couple of there's one draft question, but 1:43:29.520 --> 1:43:31.559 also there's a bunch of questions actually believed or not 1:43:31.560 --> 1:43:35.160 about cold Strange. So there's been some reporting about I 1:43:35.200 --> 1:43:37.800 guess Garredy might have had a little nugget about cold 1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:41.519 Strange and his timetable and timeline. So the number one 1:43:41.600 --> 1:43:44.040 question I guess is, uh, are you expecting anything from 1:43:44.120 --> 1:43:47.320 cold Strange? But a secondary question to that, someone actually 1:43:47.320 --> 1:43:49.680 asked if we feel that cold Strange could be a 1:43:49.720 --> 1:43:52.519 center when he comes back? And I have a little 1:43:52.520 --> 1:43:54.040 bit of a theory about this, but do you think 1:43:54.040 --> 1:43:56.840 that Cole Strange is Are you expecting Cole Strange to 1:43:56.880 --> 1:43:57.920 contribute at all this year? 1:44:00.479 --> 1:44:02.320 It's tough to say because their guard play has been 1:44:02.320 --> 1:44:04.760 good and they clearly don't want to mess with that 1:44:04.800 --> 1:44:07.040 interior if it's working. I don't know that there's a 1:44:07.120 --> 1:44:08.280 job for him when he comes back. 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:08.960 I'm with you. 1:44:09.240 --> 1:44:13.360 Maybe they rotate him in and maybe they like he 1:44:13.439 --> 1:44:15.920 takes some snat like twenty or thirty percent of the 1:44:15.920 --> 1:44:18.160 snaps a game from city so or just to keep 1:44:18.200 --> 1:44:21.280 him fresh, right, keep him healthy. Yeah, but I don't 1:44:21.280 --> 1:44:23.240 think there's a full time job waiting for col Strange 1:44:23.240 --> 1:44:23.920 when he gets back. 1:44:24.200 --> 1:44:25.960 Yeah, I'm with you on that one. 1:44:26.880 --> 1:44:28.880 I do think he can play center. Maybe the job 1:44:28.960 --> 1:44:29.679 is backup center. 1:44:29.880 --> 1:44:34.519 Yeah, so to the center point. I feel this way 1:44:34.520 --> 1:44:37.599 about center, and he would be a really small tackle. 1:44:37.880 --> 1:44:41.640 But he just meets the length threshold for tackle. But 1:44:41.760 --> 1:44:43.879 just hear me out for a second. So, the biggest 1:44:43.880 --> 1:44:45.840 problem that I see with Cole Strange when I watch 1:44:45.920 --> 1:44:48.960 him is that he is too small to play on 1:44:49.000 --> 1:44:52.600 the interior at guard. He just gets bodied. He he 1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:55.880 is not powerful enough to play at that spot. Now, 1:44:56.600 --> 1:44:58.800 the counter to that could be, well, if he's in 1:44:58.840 --> 1:45:01.439 an outside zone scheme instead of a downhill scheme, maybe 1:45:01.439 --> 1:45:03.599 that translates a little bit better. I'll allow for that. 1:45:03.720 --> 1:45:06.360 I'll give that possibility to him. But what I see 1:45:06.720 --> 1:45:09.839 most of the time with Cold Strange against NFL caliber, 1:45:09.880 --> 1:45:13.479 like starting caliber defensive tackles is I can't get the 1:45:13.520 --> 1:45:16.800 images of like DeForest Buckner and Quinn Williams just manhandling 1:45:16.880 --> 1:45:20.400 him in pass protection. That that's the concern with me 1:45:20.479 --> 1:45:23.720 with Cold Strange. So what do you do if he's 1:45:23.800 --> 1:45:27.519 not burly enough to play guard? Center is an option 1:45:27.960 --> 1:45:30.920 because center usually you're uncovered most of the time, or 1:45:31.439 --> 1:45:34.880 you have it. It's a different role, different position. Center 1:45:34.960 --> 1:45:38.000 is also really important in this system because center sets 1:45:38.040 --> 1:45:40.599 the pace of the line in the run game, yeah, 1:45:41.120 --> 1:45:43.320 and in the and outside zone scheme. So if he's 1:45:43.880 --> 1:45:46.479 the best athlete that they have probably at the position, 1:45:47.080 --> 1:45:50.000 then he can be somebody that could get out and 1:45:50.080 --> 1:45:52.599 reach and you know, hit the second level and all 1:45:52.640 --> 1:45:57.320 those kinds of stuff. I'm intrigued by. Center tackle is 1:45:57.479 --> 1:46:04.160 probably loftier, probably less likely, but just wouldn't you just 1:46:04.200 --> 1:46:06.680 from a body type standpoint, Just think about it from 1:46:06.680 --> 1:46:10.599 a body type standpoint, Cole Strange going up against two 1:46:10.680 --> 1:46:13.519 hundred and fifty pound edge rushers instead of Cold Strange 1:46:13.520 --> 1:46:15.879 going up against three hundred and twenty pound nose tackles 1:46:16.120 --> 1:46:18.599 just feels like a better matchup to me. For him, right, 1:46:18.720 --> 1:46:22.920 So I think it's lofty. The technique's different. It's you're 1:46:22.960 --> 1:46:26.400 playing in space. It's probably too much of a transition. 1:46:26.520 --> 1:46:29.400 Center is probably more realistic. But if I'm the Patriots, 1:46:29.439 --> 1:46:32.000 I'm starting to think about how do I get Cole 1:46:32.080 --> 1:46:33.600 Strange away from Quentin Williams. 1:46:34.320 --> 1:46:36.040 But you also have a guy that's coming off a 1:46:36.240 --> 1:46:38.479 very significant knee injury, and now you're asking him to 1:46:38.520 --> 1:46:41.400 be very mobile. Yep, and that's a tough ask. 1:46:41.600 --> 1:46:43.519 It is a tough ask. There's no doubt about that. 1:46:43.680 --> 1:46:49.880 All right, Paul is asking about the Landon Robinson pick. 1:46:49.920 --> 1:46:51.600 Oh, by the way, speaking of there's a theory in 1:46:51.600 --> 1:46:54.240 the chat that it was Paul Perrillo who didn't like 1:46:54.360 --> 1:46:55.400 Pop Douglas, not you. 1:46:55.560 --> 1:46:57.639 So I won't I don't want to pick on Paul 1:46:57.640 --> 1:46:59.120 too much because he's not here. I'd rather pick on 1:46:59.200 --> 1:47:02.960 him to his face. But but Paul, Paul doesn't have 1:47:03.040 --> 1:47:05.519 time for the Day three of the draft, like he 1:47:06.320 --> 1:47:08.960 all those guys who Day three of the draft, unless 1:47:08.960 --> 1:47:11.800 there's a guy like I like like Pop Douglas, or. 1:47:11.840 --> 1:47:13.960 You get annoyed with me after the top one hundred. 1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:17.120 I don't do as much studying of the film after 1:47:17.120 --> 1:47:18.640 the top one hundred, I usually try to do like 1:47:18.640 --> 1:47:21.040 the top one twenty five, just so that I know, 1:47:21.120 --> 1:47:24.040 I know everybody that gets drafted in the top one hundred, right, 1:47:24.080 --> 1:47:27.080 Like that's that's big to me. Uh but yeah, usually 1:47:27.120 --> 1:47:28.680 by the end of the fourth round is when my 1:47:28.760 --> 1:47:31.400 film study stuff, and then I just have notes from 1:47:31.400 --> 1:47:36.320 other people, you know, the beast, you know whatever. But yeah, 1:47:36.360 --> 1:47:39.080 Paul is not everybody on day three to the draft. 1:47:39.120 --> 1:47:41.120 To Paul is a lottery ticket, which is I mean, 1:47:41.160 --> 1:47:43.800 he's not wrong, it's pretty fair. Yeah. To us, it's like, 1:47:44.479 --> 1:47:46.320 you know, we talk about Red Sox prospects, and I 1:47:46.400 --> 1:47:49.280 always like joke about Marcella Meyer being a bust and 1:47:49.320 --> 1:47:51.559 thing and things like that. Like to us, it's like that, 1:47:51.680 --> 1:47:53.760 you know, it's like Tyler Milliken getting all jazzed up 1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:56.639 about you know, Roman Anthony, right, you know, like that's 1:47:56.720 --> 1:47:59.200 day three of the draft to us. But to Paul, 1:47:59.320 --> 1:48:03.479 day three the draft is there's a ten percent chance 1:48:03.520 --> 1:48:05.599 this guy actually turns into an NFL player, So why 1:48:05.600 --> 1:48:08.040 would I waste my time? Right like that that's. 1:48:07.880 --> 1:48:12.360 The Roman Anthony, not a six round pick kind of player. Okay, anyway, Still, 1:48:12.439 --> 1:48:13.240 the miners. 1:48:13.120 --> 1:48:15.960 Uh that that just kind of. 1:48:17.680 --> 1:48:22.120 Uh so, Yeah, Luther Burden sucks. He's still in college, 1:48:22.160 --> 1:48:24.320 he's not in the NFL yet. I mean, it's essentially 1:48:24.320 --> 1:48:24.759 what you're. 1:48:24.600 --> 1:48:27.439 Saying, we don't know about Luther Burdon yet. He might suck. 1:48:28.800 --> 1:48:30.840 So here's the draft question I wanted to ask you, 1:48:31.360 --> 1:48:34.200 and it's more draft philosophy than it is about prospects. 1:48:34.760 --> 1:48:38.599 But the question is we all know that left tackle 1:48:38.680 --> 1:48:41.519 is going to be a big need. Receiver is still out. 1:48:41.560 --> 1:48:44.479 There is need a big fish at receiver. But is 1:48:44.520 --> 1:48:49.280 there a chance that pass rusher outside edge rusher like 1:48:49.360 --> 1:48:51.440 I like to call him, you call him outside linebackers 1:48:52.479 --> 1:48:55.720 if that replacing Matthew judah on To simplify it even 1:48:55.760 --> 1:48:58.599 more for people, is there a world where that ends 1:48:58.680 --> 1:49:01.439 up actually being their biggest draft need? Like, can we 1:49:01.479 --> 1:49:04.120 get to the point where they signed T Higgins. I'm 1:49:04.120 --> 1:49:05.519 just going to dream and buy in the sky here 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:08.000 they signed T Higgins, Maybe they sign like a serviceable 1:49:08.080 --> 1:49:12.040 veteran left tackle or something like that, and outside linebacker 1:49:12.080 --> 1:49:14.920 pass rushers ends up being the top need in the. 1:49:15.200 --> 1:49:17.520 Yeah, I mean it's their third biggest need, so definitely, 1:49:17.640 --> 1:49:19.639 I would say corner could sneak in there. 1:49:19.680 --> 1:49:19.840 Too. 1:49:20.120 --> 1:49:23.840 Yep, I wouldn't roll that out. Yeah, yeah, no, it 1:49:23.840 --> 1:49:26.000 could absolutely happen. I just don't think they're gonna find 1:49:26.000 --> 1:49:29.080 that tackle, and I receiver they can, they can remove 1:49:29.080 --> 1:49:31.200 from the needs relatively easel. And when I say that, 1:49:31.320 --> 1:49:33.640 I mean give up the second round pick, give up 1:49:33.680 --> 1:49:38.759 thirty million dollars, right, get Seed Lamb, get dk Metcalf. 1:49:38.800 --> 1:49:40.920 People know how I feel about that. Yeah, you're not 1:49:40.960 --> 1:49:44.200 getting that equivalent tackle, and I just I don't. I 1:49:44.240 --> 1:49:46.600 don't think another bridge left tackle is the answer. We 1:49:46.640 --> 1:49:49.479 talked about this last week. How long down the road, 1:49:49.520 --> 1:49:53.000 Trent Brown, you gotta answer that question. This is kind 1:49:53.040 --> 1:49:54.680 of what I said about quarterbacks and last draft. And 1:49:54.720 --> 1:49:56.559 there are gonna be people who say, well, there's these receivers, 1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:59.519 blah blah. It's like, this is a position that's hard 1:49:59.520 --> 1:50:02.000 to get. You have a chance to get eleaite prospect 1:50:02.000 --> 1:50:02.280 at it. 1:50:02.880 --> 1:50:03.200 Do it? 1:50:03.439 --> 1:50:06.240 Yeah, do it that simple, do it. And so I 1:50:06.280 --> 1:50:08.400 still think it's Will Campbell and Calvin Banks. I did 1:50:08.400 --> 1:50:10.920 a little more deep digging on that yesterday. By the way, 1:50:12.120 --> 1:50:14.040 might be closer between the two, and I thought, and 1:50:14.080 --> 1:50:16.000 I mean that as a positive for Calvin Banks, not 1:50:16.080 --> 1:50:17.120 negative for Will Campbell. 1:50:17.400 --> 1:50:20.160 So I'm not sure about that, but it's not because 1:50:20.160 --> 1:50:23.760 I don't like Calvin Banks. So Calvin Banks, I watch 1:50:23.800 --> 1:50:26.400 a lot of him because who's the other tackle at Texas? 1:50:26.479 --> 1:50:30.880 Oh, it was something Jones got drafted this past year. Yeah, 1:50:30.920 --> 1:50:34.120 I remember. It's crazy how we obsessed about these names 1:50:34.120 --> 1:50:35.519 for like four months and they just fall out of 1:50:35.520 --> 1:50:40.639 our brains. Christian Jones, Christian Jones, Christian Jones, Worthy, Ada Mitt, Yeah, 1:50:40.840 --> 1:50:41.439 a lot of Texas. 1:50:41.520 --> 1:50:44.000 I was just watching that offense all all spring long. 1:50:44.400 --> 1:50:47.479 So I did watch a little bit of Calvin Banks, 1:50:47.479 --> 1:50:49.759 like out of the corner of my eye. He's a stud. 1:50:50.080 --> 1:50:53.080 He's a stud. He's really good. I would put him 1:50:53.080 --> 1:50:55.280 in like the alpha Shanu Tier. Yeah, I think there's 1:50:55.320 --> 1:50:57.639 a chance that Will Campbell's like s Tier special. 1:50:57.720 --> 1:50:59.880 See, I would go. And here's the thing with these two. 1:51:00.320 --> 1:51:02.759 And I realized this about this draft yesterday. I don't 1:51:03.080 --> 1:51:04.599 I have a slight take on it. I can give 1:51:04.600 --> 1:51:06.719 you if you want, But the top of this draft 1:51:06.760 --> 1:51:13.839 is all true juniors. Campbell, Banks, McMillan, Burden, Pierce, and Johnson. 1:51:13.880 --> 1:51:15.880 Those are the seven guys we can even throw in 1:51:16.439 --> 1:51:20.040 Deon Walker from Kentucky. Those are the guys we're realistically 1:51:20.080 --> 1:51:22.640 going to talk about for the Patriots. Every single one 1:51:22.680 --> 1:51:25.679 of those guys is a true junior. I don't necessarily 1:51:25.680 --> 1:51:27.880 like it's good you're getting younger players, there's more runway. 1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:31.280 The only take I really have on it is, whichever 1:51:31.360 --> 1:51:33.479 guy you want the Patriots draft the most Campbell burden, 1:51:33.479 --> 1:51:35.680 whoever you want to root for that team to win 1:51:35.680 --> 1:51:38.760 the national championship, because the last thing we need is 1:51:38.760 --> 1:51:41.160 Will Campbell going back for some unfinished business in a 1:51:41.160 --> 1:51:45.599 big nil bag. Oh god, right now. But they're so young, 1:51:45.680 --> 1:51:47.519 so there's still a long way to go, and I 1:51:47.600 --> 1:51:50.280 think Alt had a little more experience at this now. 1:51:50.439 --> 1:51:52.200 By the time Campbell gets to the draft, he'll be 1:51:52.240 --> 1:51:54.160 even with allt. But there's still a whole year to 1:51:54.160 --> 1:51:55.760 play out. We have to see what happens as it 1:51:55.840 --> 1:51:58.000 stands right now. And I'm not saying Campbell can't catch 1:51:58.000 --> 1:51:59.720 All as it stands right now for me, from the 1:51:59.800 --> 1:52:05.719 last two drafts, Campbell, Alt, Campbell Banks for Shanhu. Yeah, 1:52:05.960 --> 1:52:08.000 that's how i'd rank him. That's that's fair. But that 1:52:08.120 --> 1:52:10.840 that I think you're projecting a little more going into 1:52:10.880 --> 1:52:12.960 the season. I'm saying, if Will Campbell came to the 1:52:13.000 --> 1:52:16.240 draft today without having played his junior season. That's right happening. 1:52:16.320 --> 1:52:18.360 So the reason why I have Will Campbell maybe a 1:52:18.400 --> 1:52:21.280 little bit ahead of Joe Alt, Yeah, is that the 1:52:21.320 --> 1:52:23.599 one you know, I love Joe Alt, But the one 1:52:23.680 --> 1:52:25.840 knock that I had that you'd have on Joe Alt 1:52:25.960 --> 1:52:28.720 is that he's not He's not overly mean, Like he's 1:52:28.720 --> 1:52:31.639 not a nasty finisher. He's more of a dancing bear 1:52:31.720 --> 1:52:34.759 than he is, like a physical guy. Will Campbell's nasty, 1:52:35.120 --> 1:52:37.720 Like Will Campbell finishes like he puts dudes in the 1:52:37.720 --> 1:52:41.320 ground while also having the footwork and the agility and 1:52:41.360 --> 1:52:43.799 all that kind of stuff to dance on an island 1:52:43.880 --> 1:52:46.519 right with pass rushers. So he's got a little bit 1:52:46.560 --> 1:52:49.920 more snarl or nastiness to his game than Joe All. 1:52:50.080 --> 1:52:52.760 Joe Alt is uh. I think a great comparison is 1:52:52.800 --> 1:52:56.240 he's a little bit bigger and like more prototypical, but like, uh, 1:52:56.560 --> 1:52:59.000 remember like Jake Matthews with the Falcons, like that, That's 1:52:59.000 --> 1:53:02.719 who I think of with Joel, whereas with Will Campbell, 1:53:03.080 --> 1:53:05.040 he has a lot of those same traits but with 1:53:05.120 --> 1:53:06.400 like a little bit more. 1:53:07.160 --> 1:53:09.600 Nasty, like a Taylor Lawan kind of Yeah, it's a 1:53:09.600 --> 1:53:11.760 good comp Yeah, Yeah, that's who I see a little bit. 1:53:11.880 --> 1:53:15.360 Yeah, he's he's mean, like he's gonna he's gonna finish 1:53:15.439 --> 1:53:16.439 blocks and things like that. 1:53:16.479 --> 1:53:19.280 Banks too. Banks has a nasty streak to him too. 1:53:19.960 --> 1:53:20.840 That's that's what I love. 1:53:20.920 --> 1:53:23.680 We're gonna have We're gonna have fun. We're gonna have 1:53:23.720 --> 1:53:26.200 a lot of fun with it. I just and I understand. 1:53:26.200 --> 1:53:29.439 And you know, on PU you can throw it at 1:53:29.439 --> 1:53:32.000 Paul He's not even here doing this to his face. 1:53:32.439 --> 1:53:35.320 But you know, the offensive line talks sometimes. Yeah, I 1:53:35.360 --> 1:53:38.360 see some glossy eyes and you know, so people checking 1:53:38.400 --> 1:53:42.320 their phones and you know, stuff like that. There is 1:53:42.439 --> 1:53:46.280 nothing more reassuring to me for Drake May's long term 1:53:46.320 --> 1:53:49.760 development than drafting a stud left tackle and just knowing 1:53:49.800 --> 1:53:51.960 his blind side is protected for the next ten years. 1:53:52.200 --> 1:53:54.120 Like that, to me, it would just be so like 1:53:54.160 --> 1:53:56.080 I'd breathe such a sire relief. Would I be as 1:53:56.120 --> 1:54:00.400 excited as if they got a number one receiver right 1:54:00.439 --> 1:54:02.320 like if it was if there was I don't know 1:54:02.360 --> 1:54:04.280 if Luther Burdens in this category, but if there was 1:54:04.280 --> 1:54:06.400 a Marvin Harrison junior in this draft and they drafted 1:54:06.400 --> 1:54:10.360 that guy instead, would I be more excited, probably just 1:54:10.400 --> 1:54:14.240 because it's a receiver and it's this straight. Sure, but 1:54:14.320 --> 1:54:18.120 it's just the shiny toy versus like the socks on Christmas. Right, 1:54:18.600 --> 1:54:24.360 But will Campbell just or Kelvin Banks being the blindside 1:54:24.400 --> 1:54:28.840 protector for Drake May and finally filling that that need 1:54:29.000 --> 1:54:32.000 after years of kicking the can down the road, I 1:54:32.400 --> 1:54:35.320 would be I have a huge smile on my face. 1:54:35.360 --> 1:54:38.360 I'd be like, Yes, we got a left tackle. This 1:54:38.520 --> 1:54:41.360 is great, this is what we've all wanted. It'd be great. 1:54:41.520 --> 1:54:44.880 So I'm all aboard left tackle, but I could see 1:54:45.920 --> 1:54:47.800 pass rusher if they somehow find a way to get 1:54:47.800 --> 1:54:51.080 a left tackle in the veteran market, which just seems unlikely. 1:54:51.120 --> 1:54:53.800 But if they do so, I'd be. 1:54:53.960 --> 1:54:56.080 The projected top guy. Right Now's a guy named James 1:54:56.080 --> 1:54:59.000 Pearce from Tennessee. He so unlike some of the other 1:54:59.000 --> 1:55:02.000 guys who are true junior who so Campbell and Banks 1:55:02.600 --> 1:55:07.800 and Burden and McMillan actually all started as true freshmen. 1:55:08.200 --> 1:55:11.360 They all had Burden started like halfway through his freshman year, 1:55:11.360 --> 1:55:12.480 but they essentially all have one and a half to 1:55:12.520 --> 1:55:17.160 two years of experience. Pierce only started last year. He didn't. 1:55:17.200 --> 1:55:19.560 He played thirteen games a true freshman, but it's mostly 1:55:19.560 --> 1:55:22.160 on special teams or like latent games. So his first 1:55:22.240 --> 1:55:25.120 year is good yet I think forty one no. Fifty 1:55:25.200 --> 1:55:29.320 six pressures and fourteen in ten sacks and thirteen games. 1:55:29.960 --> 1:55:32.080 But it's just one year. And the thing about Pierce 1:55:33.200 --> 1:55:36.360 really good pass rusher, really doesn't give you anything against 1:55:36.360 --> 1:55:38.960 the run. Yeah, and are they would they be willing 1:55:39.000 --> 1:55:41.000 to take a guy and we'll see what he does. 1:55:41.160 --> 1:55:43.120 He has more variants. He could end up not being 1:55:43.120 --> 1:55:45.400 the top pass rusher. Is a guy named Abdul Carter 1:55:45.440 --> 1:55:47.160 at Penn State who's gonna get some attention to. But 1:55:47.440 --> 1:55:52.320 Pierce is the highest ceiling. Do they would they take 1:55:52.360 --> 1:55:54.920 a guy like Pierce who projects be an elite pass 1:55:55.000 --> 1:55:56.520 rusher if he can't play against the run? 1:55:56.640 --> 1:55:58.880 So is he like a like a Brian Burns type. 1:55:59.640 --> 1:56:01.280 He's not quite that like powerful. 1:56:01.560 --> 1:56:03.840 That's how I think of when you tell the birds. 1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:05.480 Is like big and powerful pierces. I mean, he's got 1:56:05.520 --> 1:56:08.120 good size, but he's not He's more of a finesse rusher. 1:56:08.480 --> 1:56:10.080 All right, let's take this last call and then we 1:56:10.120 --> 1:56:12.840 got to wrap it up. Connor is in Florida. What's up, Connor. 1:56:14.520 --> 1:56:17.320 Hey, So I just had a question for you guys, now, 1:56:17.480 --> 1:56:19.840 just one of your thoughts on this. So back in 1:56:19.920 --> 1:56:23.840 like twenty two, we had like a pretty good interior 1:56:23.880 --> 1:56:28.120 line with like Mason, we had a whnu Kris Andrews. 1:56:28.280 --> 1:56:31.120 We had Andrews, and then we also had Tuney for 1:56:31.160 --> 1:56:33.560 a little bit before, you know, right before Mac Jones 1:56:33.640 --> 1:56:37.360 rook year. What do you think Bill's like logic was, 1:56:37.440 --> 1:56:40.320 and just basically letting all them go, then forcing them 1:56:40.360 --> 1:56:42.920 to draft Cold Strange and then just the trickle down 1:56:42.920 --> 1:56:46.680 effect with that with you draft Strange that year when 1:56:46.720 --> 1:56:48.600 you could have probably gotten you know, if they decided 1:56:48.600 --> 1:56:50.800 to go Trent McDuffie with the original pick they had 1:56:50.840 --> 1:56:54.240 before trading it, then the next year when you picked Gonzalez, 1:56:54.240 --> 1:56:55.760 you could have picked a receiver. I just want to 1:56:55.760 --> 1:56:57.720 know your thoughts and what you thought Bill might have 1:56:57.760 --> 1:56:58.600 been thinking with that. 1:56:58.920 --> 1:57:01.680 Yeah, thanks for the call. Look at we've been down 1:57:01.760 --> 1:57:06.160 this road before. Yeah, it's to me the beginning of 1:57:06.200 --> 1:57:07.960 the end for the offensive line, if you want to 1:57:07.960 --> 1:57:10.840 call it that. I was letting Joe Tony walk in 1:57:10.880 --> 1:57:11.440 free agency. 1:57:11.440 --> 1:57:12.760 Well, at the beginning of the end of the offensive 1:57:12.720 --> 1:57:13.959 line is one scart left. 1:57:13.880 --> 1:57:17.400 No because Caren Bissello had the line in good shit. Okay, 1:57:17.640 --> 1:57:23.760 So it started to me with the decision to let 1:57:23.840 --> 1:57:26.120 Joe Touni walk to the Kansas City Chiefs right like 1:57:26.200 --> 1:57:28.640 he was in a lot of ways, it's similar to 1:57:28.640 --> 1:57:32.560 what they've done now where it was like, yeah, it's 1:57:32.600 --> 1:57:34.960 a lot of money for Mike on Winnu as a guard, 1:57:35.480 --> 1:57:38.080 but he's one of your best football players and right 1:57:38.120 --> 1:57:39.720 now you just don't have a whole lot of good 1:57:39.720 --> 1:57:42.400 football players on the roster. And they were kind of 1:57:42.440 --> 1:57:44.600 in that spot at the same time too with Joe 1:57:44.600 --> 1:57:47.560 Toney and they let Joe Tony walk to Kansas City. Who, 1:57:47.560 --> 1:57:50.000 by the way, Joe Toney is like low key on 1:57:50.040 --> 1:57:52.600 a Hall of Fame trajectory. Yeah, first, he might be 1:57:52.600 --> 1:57:55.240 the best Garden football He's unreal. He's like an All Pro. 1:57:55.400 --> 1:57:57.600 He's won like seventeen Super Bowls at this point, Like 1:57:57.640 --> 1:58:00.800 he's gonna be in the conversation for gold jacket if 1:58:00.800 --> 1:58:01.720 he keeps on thinking at. 1:58:01.680 --> 1:58:03.600 The end, I think he is, he's gonna get one. 1:58:03.640 --> 1:58:04.680 I don't think it's a conversation. 1:58:04.920 --> 1:58:08.520 So Joe Toney then in the same off season twenty 1:58:08.560 --> 1:58:11.640 twenty one. It's a year later from Tony. They low 1:58:11.680 --> 1:58:14.240 ball Ted Carrison free agency and they trade Shack Mason 1:58:14.360 --> 1:58:16.560 like in within like a week of each other. Yeah, 1:58:16.720 --> 1:58:19.600 and they created this gigantic coal up guard. Now they 1:58:19.600 --> 1:58:22.400 have On. They had On Wenu, so they had one 1:58:22.400 --> 1:58:25.280 guard spot. But like the caller said, that prompted the 1:58:25.280 --> 1:58:27.560 domino effect of taking Cold Strange in the first round. 1:58:28.200 --> 1:58:33.720 What I Belichick was thinking to me was guards not 1:58:33.760 --> 1:58:38.760 a premium position. I'm not gonna pay premium dollars for guards, Yeah, 1:58:38.800 --> 1:58:41.360 because I feel like I have one and On already 1:58:41.680 --> 1:58:44.360 and I can just draft one for and get him 1:58:44.400 --> 1:58:46.320 much cheaper than what I'm gonna have to pay Shack 1:58:46.360 --> 1:58:49.400 Mason or Joe Tuny or even Ted Carris, and we'll 1:58:49.480 --> 1:58:51.920 just draft and replace and everything will be just fine. 1:58:52.120 --> 1:58:52.200 Uh. 1:58:52.240 --> 1:58:54.960 The problem was they didn't draft well, right, they draft 1:58:55.040 --> 1:58:57.560 Cold Strange and it didn't work out the other thing 1:58:57.560 --> 1:58:59.160 that I think was really key with the offensive line, 1:58:59.160 --> 1:59:01.600 and then we got to wrap it up up. Car 1:59:01.720 --> 1:59:06.200 and Bricella leaving with Josh McDaniels to Vegas. Yeah, Carnbrosella 1:59:06.280 --> 1:59:08.760 leaves after the twenty twenty one season. He goes to 1:59:09.040 --> 1:59:12.880 the Vegas Raiders with Josh McDaniels, and the Patriots replaced 1:59:12.920 --> 1:59:15.000 carm Barcello with Matt Patricia. 1:59:15.120 --> 1:59:17.640 Who is also dealing with being the offensive coordinator while 1:59:17.680 --> 1:59:18.960 he's coaching the offense line. 1:59:19.000 --> 1:59:22.520 And at that point what ended up happening is that 1:59:22.600 --> 1:59:24.480 a lot of the young guys that they had in 1:59:24.520 --> 1:59:28.880 the pipeline, including Cole Strange to the point he their 1:59:29.040 --> 1:59:33.920 development just got derailed because they weren't getting coached properly. Right, 1:59:34.240 --> 1:59:36.840 so they have that the whole Matt Patricia thing goes awry. 1:59:37.760 --> 1:59:40.680 Then Adrian clem that whole thing was a disaster last year. 1:59:41.000 --> 1:59:43.040 So really, these linemen, and I think a lot of 1:59:43.040 --> 1:59:44.760 these guys that have been on the Patriots are having 1:59:44.840 --> 1:59:49.560 this realization like, holy crap, we have Scott Piers actually 1:59:49.600 --> 1:59:51.640 has like a strike system and like has like rules 1:59:51.640 --> 1:59:51.920 for us. 1:59:51.920 --> 1:59:53.760 Since Scott Peters is here, he's available. 1:59:53.880 --> 1:59:56.720 Yeah, and all of a sudden, it's like, wow, you know, 1:59:56.840 --> 2:00:00.760 we're getting coached and you're seeing that with you know, 2:00:00.880 --> 2:00:03.680 improvements from guys you know rookies Leydon Robinson, kid and 2:00:03.680 --> 2:00:07.080 Walls getting better. But Darien Lowe, I know, he's everybody's 2:00:07.160 --> 2:00:10.800 like like lightning Rod right now, but he's gotten better, 2:00:11.160 --> 2:00:13.320 you know, and and and that's what's happened with a 2:00:13.320 --> 2:00:15.440 lot of these guys. So hopefully the coaching comes back 2:00:15.480 --> 2:00:19.640 to earth and that solidifies a lot of things. But yeah, 2:00:19.680 --> 2:00:21.800 that that that conversation has been on going. We've all 2:00:21.840 --> 2:00:25.080 had that on every various platforms over the last couple 2:00:25.120 --> 2:00:27.520 of years. As a misstep from Belichick. All right, that's 2:00:27.520 --> 2:00:30.360 gonna do it for this week's show. Uh, next week. 2:00:31.000 --> 2:00:34.839 I believe we're gonna have to be on Thursday next week, Alex, 2:00:34.920 --> 2:00:37.600 because the studio is not gonna be available on Wednesday 2:00:37.600 --> 2:00:39.120 because of some technical stuff going. 2:00:39.240 --> 2:00:41.080 Well that and that works because by then the roster 2:00:41.160 --> 2:00:42.000 will be more set. 2:00:42.240 --> 2:00:45.280 Yeah, so we're gonna probably be back Thursday. Maybe ten 2:00:45.320 --> 2:00:50.120 am Thursday, Marine, Nope, afternoon Thursday. Yeah, afternoon Thursday. 2:00:50.120 --> 2:00:52.400 Honesty, Thursday might be like they might have practiced in 2:00:52.440 --> 2:00:53.640 the morning and stuff like that. 2:00:53.800 --> 2:00:56.480 So yeah, yeah, so we'll figure it out. But we're 2:00:56.480 --> 2:00:57.160 hoping that. 2:00:57.160 --> 2:00:58.760 You guys actually might be in the morning on Thursday. 2:00:58.880 --> 2:01:01.680 Okay, we'll figure it out. 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