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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazarre and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 1: Joined us Always buy an our Bara. Here is Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bars. Joey Size jacked by the way,

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Speaker 1: Joey Size. So we talked to Joey Slid the other day.

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Speaker 1: Super nice guy. We spent a lot of time talking

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Speaker 1: about golf, some of it how it relates to kicking,

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Speaker 1: but just also kind of golf.

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Speaker 2: O't too long on this, you talked out, but fourteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: It was absurd.

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Speaker 1: It's great. We had great, great, We had a great copy.

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Speaker 2: We looked over three times and Joey Slide was still

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Speaker 2: talking twenty.

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Speaker 1: Twenty when he was enjoying himself a good conversation.

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Speaker 2: It was a long time for Joey Slide. You guys.

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Speaker 2: You guys were talking to Joey Slide for that might

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Speaker 2: have been one of the longest press conferences at the summer.

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Speaker 1: I think Rees said it was his longest, like scrum ever.

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Speaker 1: But I will say this, we kind of so we

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Speaker 1: talked about golf, talked about the the competition, we talked

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Speaker 1: about kickoffs and We're all kind of standing. There goes

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Speaker 1: you guys, got anything else? Like he was ready for

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Speaker 1: more questions. We were like, no, we'll let you go.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 1: He was ready to keep talking.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you. You were ready to declare the kicker

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Speaker 2: competition over last week when I after the game on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night. Yeah, so we're we're getting there. We're we're

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Speaker 2: getting to that point. But it's Evanzar Alex Bars Patriots

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Speaker 2: catch twenty two. I wait you for the next couple

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Speaker 2: of hours. The Patriots will practice this afternoon, So of

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Speaker 2: course everything that we're about to say and is going

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Speaker 2: to go out of the door when Drake May throws

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Speaker 2: three picks in practice later today. No, I'm just kidding, but.

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Speaker 1: I I everybody you hear that Evan says Drake May

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Speaker 1: is gonna melt down at practice. That's Drake May's biggest

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Speaker 1: defender saying he's about to melt down.

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Speaker 2: We'll get trust me, we'll get to it.

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Speaker 1: Mark the Dayton time.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing though, that that this is

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Speaker 2: not where I was going to start. But I'll just

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Speaker 2: say this really quickly. Off the top training camp and

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Speaker 2: I was just talking to Paul about this training camp

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Speaker 2: is so such a day to day grind. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: the show that we did last week is so irrelevant

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Speaker 2: at this point coming off that joint practice almost like

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Speaker 2: it changes so quickly this time of year because you're

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Speaker 2: watching practice every single day. There's a lot of just

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Speaker 2: data that comes from that that it's different than the

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Speaker 2: regular season. The regular season, you have the same take

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Speaker 2: for a week, right because you don't see them again

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Speaker 2: until the next the following game day, so you have

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Speaker 2: the same take for a week, whereas in training camp

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Speaker 2: you can have a bad practice one day and you

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Speaker 2: follow that up with a good practice, then all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, your mood changes. Everything kind of changes. We'll

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Speaker 2: get into more Drake May though, I want to talk

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Speaker 2: It's Okay, here's really where I wanted to start today.

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Speaker 2: So I've done a lot of thinking about last week's

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Speaker 2: show and about all the what do you want to

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Speaker 2: call it panic about that joint practice last week against

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Speaker 2: the Eagles, and I stand by everything that I said.

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Speaker 2: It was offensively one of the worst joint practices I've

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Speaker 2: was the panic was warranted. With that being said, the

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Speaker 2: big thing that I, I guess am getting at. You

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Speaker 2: I was wrong, and B I didn't want to get

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Speaker 2: bogged down by an old argument that we've had a

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Speaker 1: It was really A, you didn't want to admit you

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Speaker 2: No, I had nothing to do with that. Now, I

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Speaker 2: wait with the analogy here for a second. That was

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Speaker 2: the first time that I was afraid. First time I

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Speaker 2: I was afraid, Adrian. I was afraid, all right. And

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Speaker 2: I watched this happen and I was shell shocked from it.

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Speaker 2: it is right now. And then the game happened on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night, and all of my priors about Drake May

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Speaker 2: came to fruition in a lot of ways. And I

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Speaker 2: but you saw all the flashes of what I have

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Speaker 2: I was an offensive coordinator, if I was Alex van Pelt,

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Speaker 2: Drake May is the quarterback I would want to draft

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Speaker 2: because he is every offensive coordinator's dream. Yeah, there's some

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Speaker 2: rough things around the edges that they got to clean

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Speaker 2: There's no throw or no play call that's off the

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Speaker 2: He can drive the ball on the backside, dig through

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Speaker 2: do it all. He has mobility, instructural mobility, and off

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Speaker 2: that you would want to possibly push as an offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 2: all the people that are out there that And we

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Speaker 2: lot of shows we can compromise. I'll give you to

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Speaker 1: That's okay, So it's funny you say that. I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to interrupt that take give me one second, but

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Speaker 1: mark that concept of week five though.

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Speaker 2: Just keep that.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you to week five, okay, okay, I would

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Speaker 2: You know me.

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Speaker 1: I've been Week one since April. Finish the take in all.

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Speaker 1: I think week five. It's funny. I was going to

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Speaker 2: So Week five gets everybody what they want. It gives

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Speaker 2: We hear all the time that from Belichick and the

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Speaker 2: let Jacobi Brissett be the test dummy, right. Let him

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Speaker 2: figure out their identity offensively, get through a gauntlet to

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Speaker 2: start the season a little bit there. Bengals, Seahawks, Jets, Niners,

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Speaker 2: Last point I'll make and then you can jump in here.

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Speaker 2: That basically puts Drake May into a college football season

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Speaker 2: where he's playing thirteen games, which is right around where

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Speaker 2: fourteen two years ago twelve last year. So we talk

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Speaker 2: We've gotten through the gauntlet. We've gotten Drake May over

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Speaker 2: the rookie wall and into a more college football esque season.

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Speaker 2: And I get what I want because I get Drake

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Speaker 2: that's my compromise to end our argument of all arguments

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Speaker 2: Any longer than that to me is dragging your feet

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Speaker 2: those different things that you know, the JT. Osullivan's and

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Speaker 2: to improve by playing. I don't see how you improve

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Speaker 2: his decisiveness, his ability to sync up with the routes,

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Speaker 2: drop and hit a hitch you know, in time and

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Speaker 2: all that. I don't know how you do all that

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Speaker 2: in practice, because it doesn't move the same in practice.

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Speaker 2: The speed of the game is not the same. So

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Speaker 2: that's why I've always thought that he should play. And

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Speaker 2: I think what we saw last Thursday night was that

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Speaker 2: Week five is my compromise.

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Speaker 1: What say you, So, you made a lot of good

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Speaker 2: the ball to come out and then there's no heat

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00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: on the ball. He doesn't have that issue. So we're

434
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: talking about like processing, anticipation, drop timing, sinking routes with

435
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: the dropbacks, like all of these quarterback minutia, like all

436
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: this detailed, nuanced type of stuff. And sometimes and I'm

437
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 2: I'm also really guilty of this because it's just in

438
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: when you when you're a film junkie, this just happens.

439
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: You don't necessarily see the forest for the trees, right,

440
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: Like you're you're so caught up in the film, in

441
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: the details of the film, I try to tell you,

442
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 2: and you're you're watching his footwork and you're like, oh

443
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 2: wait a second. You know, on this drop here, like

444
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: his foot is like pointed, like you know, forty five

445
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 2: and I'd really like it to be at ninety and

446
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: you're in, you're like making all these things up on

447
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: the fly. That is just not going to be the

448
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 2: reason why he passes or fails in the NFL. And

449
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 2: when I hear commentary about Drake may I see a

450
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: lot of that type of nitpicking about his footwork, his

451
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: drop back timing, you know, all this kind of stuff,

452
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, really like, you don't think that

453
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: this is gonna get fixed, Like with all of the

454
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 2: resources at his disposal disposal Now you have private quarterback coaches,

455
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: you have offensive coordinators, you have quarterback coach here in

456
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: New England, you have all this hierarchy of people that

457
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,239
Speaker 2: are going to help him through this process. And what

458
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 2: I've seen from him from start to finish a training campus,

459
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: he's already making strides in these areas like it's already better,

460
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 2: yeah than it was in college, and it was already

461
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 2: it's already better than it was three weeks ago, and

462
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: it's just gonna keep on improving. I'm not telling you

463
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: he's gonna never make a mistake or never have a

464
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 2: bad game or never you know, have issues in the NFL.

465
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 2: There's obviously gonna be bumps along the road. But I

466
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 2: just don't I don't know if it does any good

467
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: for people to break down his tape like that and

468
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: dissect it in such detail. I don't know if that's

469
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: actually telling the right story. And that That's where I've

470
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: always been with Drake. And the last thing I'll say

471
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: is just with Caleb Williams, in the game. The other day,

472
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 2: I actually watched a lot of Caleb william tape just

473
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 2: out of curiosity. I love Caleb Williams. I had him

474
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: as the number one quarterback in the draft. He was

475
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: a surefire slam dunk, number one overall pick to Chicago.

476
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: He has as many rookie mistakes on his film as

477
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 2: Drake May does. Nobody is out there saying that it's

478
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: crazy that Chicago's going to start him week one, that

479
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: that's it's almost a given, Like no one is think

480
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: thinks that even is remotely controversial that he's going to

481
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: start week one, even though he's missing reads and doing

482
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: things that rookie quarterbacks do and he's got a ways

483
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: to go. Everybody is just in agreement that that's a

484
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: consensus that he should start week one. But then when

485
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: Drake May misses a read, it's like, well, this is

486
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: why he needs to sit for a year, and it

487
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: just isn't consistent. So you're gonna hear a lot of commentary.

488
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: It's a long way away of saying that I have

489
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: all the respect in the world for a lot of

490
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: these guys that do it. You know that break down

491
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: the film on the national stage I love all of it.

492
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 2: I eat all of it up, I watch it myself,

493
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: but don't lose sight of the big picture here, just

494
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 2: because there's little under the hood. There's like little minutions

495
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: of his game that need to be cleaned up. That's

496
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: what they are. It's not macro level, it's micro level.

497
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: And I just hate that we harp on the micro

498
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: so much and point to these as like fatal flaws,

499
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: like this is why he's gonna stink is because of

500
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: you know, footwork rhythm issues. It's like that will come

501
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: in time, and that's why I want him to play,

502
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: because I feel like it will come in time faster

503
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: and more seamlessly if he plays. I don't know how

504
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 2: you get him to play more in rhythm and on

505
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: time with his feet by watching Jacob were said on

506
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Speaker 2: the sideline.

507
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Speaker 1: Well, I cause see I'm doing in practice.

508
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's that's practice. Like what we saw from

509
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: the practice, recent practices last week before the Thursday night

510
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: game and then the Thursday night game is that it's different,

511
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: Like he is a different He was a different dude

512
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: on Thursday night than he was in the joint practice

513
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 2: on two day. You know, when you're in the red

514
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: non contact jersey. When you're doing all these different things

515
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: in practice, it's just it's a different animal than the game.

516
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: Well, okay, but do you think he's doing it? He

517
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: could be better at it in practice, right, yes?

518
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: Or no?

519
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: He can get these things you're talking about.

520
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: He can get better at it, But I don't really

521
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: think you truly know if he's there, and if he's.

522
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: Not right, why not wait until he's at a level

523
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: at practice that you're comfortable with it before you put

524
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Speaker 1: him in the game. That's what I'm saying, Like he

525
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: can you're acting like they're just going to leave him

526
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Speaker 1: in the locker room during practices for those first No.

527
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm not acting like that. But I feel like he's

528
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: already shown that he's that he's pretty much there in practice,

529
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Speaker 2: especially post Eagles game, you know, like since these last

530
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: handful of practices, and we'll see what it looks like

531
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: for the rest of this week and on Sunday. But

532
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: if if his momentum is still pointing upwards by the

533
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: time we get through that Commander's game on Sunday night,

534
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: I feel like he's already achieved that, Like he's already

535
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: checked that box.

536
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Speaker 1: Like I I would just I would just one what

537
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: get the offensive line figured out?

538
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, that, But I'm talking about just about him being.

539
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: Already Yeah No, I think Look, it's our job to

540
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: talk about what we see and that comes with the

541
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: good and the bad, and there are parts of his

542
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: game that need to be improved. It's about understanding that

543
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: in context. Yeah, saying that you know there are things

544
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: that could be better doesn't mean he's going to be bad.

545
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: That's just there's no such thing as a perfect prospect, right,

546
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: He's got to continue to get better and there are

547
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: things he needs to get better at, but that doesn't

548
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: mean he's not going to be good. There are things

549
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: a lot of players need to get better at, even

550
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: good players need to get better at. So I yeah,

551
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: I I I'm with you in that. Maybe some of

552
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: it gets gets carried away. I think maybe the organization's

553
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: under a little bit more of a spotlight in terms

554
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: of quarter develop quarterback development, considering how the last three

555
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: years have gone. Yeah, albeit it's a new coaching staff

556
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: and they weren't necessarily the ones he's leading the way

557
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: making those decisions the last three years. But it's just

558
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: about understanding it context saying there's things he needs to

559
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: improve on, and saying, you know, he has a chance

560
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: to be a really good NFL quarterback. Those two are

561
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: not mutually exclusive.

562
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing on this and then we'll move on

563
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: the other thing that I really feel strongly about with

564
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: this is that when we started doing this, you know,

565
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: covering the team and covering the draft and watching prospects

566
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: and having takes on prospects. The person that changed it

567
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: all for me, really two quarterbacks changed it all for

568
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: me with quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Right, those two guys,

569
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: traditionally speaking, especially Josh Allen, I just didn't see it

570
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: with in the draft. I was like, there's this is

571
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 2: too much of a project, Like there's too many broken parts.

572
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: This is too much of a project. It's gonna take.

573
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna be an absolute outlier if this guy succeeds.

574
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: What I feel like we've learned about quarterbacks and all

575
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: this it relates to all like the minutia and the

576
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: details and the nuance as I was just talking about,

577
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: with all of his footwork and all this crap. Right,

578
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: the game has evolved. The game has evolved at that position.

579
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: It's no longer and I'm not saying that stuff isn't important,

580
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: so don't get me twisted. But the quarterbacks that are

581
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: playing in today's NFL that are succeeding are no longer

582
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: in the Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees archetype, right,

583
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: like those guys that were dominant pre snap, extremely fast

584
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: dies and extremely fast processors, deadly accurate like all that

585
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: kind of stuff that we saw with those three Hall

586
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: of Famers pocket passers, right that were just at another

587
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 2: level in terms of that. Now, when you look at

588
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks that are succeeding in the league twenty plus

589
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: years later, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Justin Herbert

590
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, you know, the list goes on and on.

591
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: Those guys don't always play from perfect bases and platforms

592
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: with their feet. They don't always throw the ball, you know,

593
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: over the top Brady style, like we were so trained

594
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: from a young age here to think that's the way

595
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: you throw a football. I would also throw, you know,

596
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: in this other category, I would throw Aaron Rodgers in

597
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: there too, because he doesn't play the quote unquote right

598
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: way either. So all these old like quarterback tropes that

599
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: we are so used to these guys don't play that

600
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: way anymore. And I think the part that confuses me

601
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: is that when Jordan Love drops back to pass and

602
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: throws one of his like fadeaways that's become like a

603
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: staple of his game, everybody goes crazy about it, right,

604
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: Like it's like, oh my God, Like, look at that

605
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: he threw forty yards off his back foot with a

606
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: pressure in his face. This is incredible, And nobody talks

607
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: about the fact that his feet aren't right on the play,

608
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't come up. It doesn't come up that

609
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers throws off of both feet off the ground

610
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: like it because throwing dimes, So like what difference does

611
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: it make how he throws? And I feel like that's

612
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: the same thing with Drake May, Like the people are

613
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: trying to turn him into this like precision pocket passer

614
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: where he's brady and he's like reading out coverages and

615
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: he's pre snapped dominating and he's perfect mechanically, and like,

616
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: that's just not quarterback play anymore. It's not gonna be Caleb,

617
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be Jaden Daniels, it's not gonna be

618
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: Drake May. Like that's not what it's gonna be anymore.

619
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: So I feel like we have to adjust a little

620
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: bit in that regard to.

621
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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm off my Just one thing I'd add

622
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: to that is some of those guys you named were

623
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: not highly regarded coming out of college, even if they

624
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: were first round picks, they weren't necessarily consensus first round picks,

625
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: or people thought there was a mistake or in the

626
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: pick or whatever, and the teams did a great job

627
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: of developing those players. Yeah, goes back to another draft

628
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: staple of mind, especially when it comes to quarterbacks, nature

629
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: verse nurture. Drafting the right guy is only half the battle.

630
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: You've got to put him in a place to succeed

631
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to guys like Josh Allen, when it

632
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: comes to guys like Jordan Love, even Justin Herbert, who

633
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people were not high on coming out

634
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: of Oregon. And I would say all those teams, at

635
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: least the Bills did for a time, But all of

636
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: those teams did a great job of doing what was

637
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: best for those quarterbacks and not fighting them in their development.

638
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: And for.

639
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: Actually I think all three of that, well, Herbert's situations different,

640
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: but for all three of them. Essentially, they were ready

641
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: for them to start the season on the bench, in

642
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: Love's case, multiple seasons, Herbert. They were ready and then

643
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: the training staff stabbed Tyrod Taylor. And I think Josh

644
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: Allen didn't start what the first like three or four

645
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: games of his rookie or something like that.

646
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: He came in like the third week.

647
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Speaker 1: Of the Yeah, so it wasn't a long time, but

648
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Speaker 1: they were ready to sit him on the bench because

649
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: that's what they felt was best. Now, there's other guys

650
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: that are good that started right away, and maybe that's

651
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: what those teams felt were best. There were also some

652
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: guys that sad and that wasn't what was best for them.

653
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Speaker 1: And there are some guys that started right away and

654
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Speaker 1: that wasn't what was best for them. So I get

655
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Speaker 1: the point you're making about quarterback play is going to

656
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Speaker 1: look different, But I also think the lesson be learned

657
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Speaker 1: there is they Drake May. You can't put his development

658
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Speaker 1: in a box and say, all right, what the Bills

659
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Speaker 1: did with Josh Allen, do that, what the Packers did

660
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Speaker 1: with Jordan Love do that? And if it doesn't look

661
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: like that, oh everything's going wrong. No, you've got to

662
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: let him dictate it and put him in a position

663
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: to succeed. That is really the old That's what it

664
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: comes down to developing a quarterback. You've got to let

665
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: the quarterback dictate the timeline and you've got to put

666
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Speaker 1: him in a position to succeed rather than trying to

667
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: put him in a box that he doesn't fit in.

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Speaker 1: So far, I think they've done more good than bad

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Speaker 1: with that with Drake May. I would say there's some

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Speaker 1: things I don't love.

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Speaker 2: I've liked how they've coached him on the on the details,

672
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Speaker 2: I think mechanically.

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Speaker 1: Like working with him individually, they've done a very good job.

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Speaker 1: I would have liked to see him get some even

675
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: if their low impact reps, get some more reps with

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Speaker 1: that starting offensive line, just to build his confidence. You

677
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: could tell he was a little shaken early in camp

678
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: playing behind what was really the third string offensive line

679
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: when the starters are out and the backups are with

680
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: the starters. But I think they've done so far. And

681
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: they went out and tried to get him Brandon Ayuk

682
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: and know they didn't, But I think they've done a

683
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: decent job so far of the development part with Drake May,

684
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Speaker 1: which is going to be important.

685
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Speaker 2: In those Yeah, I agree. I feel as though that

686
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: they've done a pretty good job with him in terms

687
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: of the quarterback coaching elements of it. Yeah, I feel

688
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: like his footwork has improved, and mechanically he has improved,

689
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: especially becoming more of like a rotational thrower. I think

690
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: that has gotten better for him. He's got a long

691
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: way to go, but I give them credit for that,

692
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: and I honestly would part of the reason why I

693
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: feel like it has improved too, is that it's improved

694
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Speaker 2: with Joe Milton.

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Speaker 1: Also, yeah, yeah, no Van Pelt so, so.

696
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Speaker 2: Whatever they're doing with both of those guys who are

697
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 2: both these raw tools. You know, I hate using project

698
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: in Drinks May's terms, but just developmental guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's there's different levels of projects. Yeah, Like you know,

700
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: there's fixing a cabinet door and finishing your basement, like.

701
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: Right, And I feel like projects both of those guys

702
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: look better than they did in college. Like, yes, Joe

703
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: Milton's pocket movement is night and day, night and day

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Speaker 2: from where he was at Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's funny I got to call about

706
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: this on the Hub over the weekend. Somebody is just

707
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: unhappy with with Van Pelt and with the offense has

708
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: looked like as a whole, and basically asking, you know,

709
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: did they make a mistake? Does his offense not work?

710
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: And I've seen this sentiment out there from some Patriots fans,

711
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: like second guessing the Alex van Pelt higher because of

712
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: the performances of the offense as a whole, not just quarterback.

713
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Speaker 1: I get that the offense really hasn't looked great for

714
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Speaker 1: most of the summer, But what I would say is

715
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the design, the schematics, the play

716
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: calling of it, you can't judge Van Pelt yet because

717
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: they're not running his offense. They're running a very stripped

718
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: down Madden Playbook like simplified version of it, because that's

719
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Speaker 1: what every team does in the preseason. You're not gonna

720
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Speaker 1: put your offense on tape at this point, nobody does that.

721
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Speaker 1: That's not saying we can't judge him for it once

722
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Speaker 1: the regular season starts and they are running it. But

723
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Speaker 1: the only thing you can judge Van Pelt on really

724
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: to this point is quarterback development, and in that regard,

725
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Speaker 1: I think he's done a great job.

726
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a take on the scheme itself, but

727
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: there's an email about it, so we can take let

728
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: that to us off. But let's take these phone calls first.

729
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: And these people have been waiting.

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Speaker 1: So I do have a little little NFL breaking news

731
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Speaker 1: that could be relevant to the paper.

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Speaker 2: Okay, one second, because I already picked up this call.

733
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Speaker 2: But yeah, Sean's and Vancouver.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good morning guys. I got up early this morning,

735
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 4: so as nice to speak with you again. Yeah, the

736
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: last week, I think I mentioned week five as as

737
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 4: our time for Drake May, and I agree. I think

738
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Speaker 4: that's that's a good a good one. I think, you know,

739
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 4: without Wilkins, the Dolphins defense won't be as big a

740
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 4: challenge and could be something a good place for him

741
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 4: to start, because to me, it's all about how Drake

742
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 4: May develops and what he's what is he going to

743
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 4: be like ultimately as a franchise quarterback, So it's it's

744
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 4: not about the wins and losses, and I'm more concerned

745
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 4: about how he's going to progress through this season and

746
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Speaker 4: then into the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Sean, thanks for the phone call and as always,

748
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: thanks for listening. Yeah, I mean that we're all there.

749
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Speaker 2: And on one last thing, I would just add to

750
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: that too, Jacoby Brissett's play and Drake May's in development

751
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: our two separate buckets. You can't play Drake May before

752
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: he's ready just because he's already better than Jacoby bris

753
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: said right like, he he he's got to be one

754
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: hundred percent ready to me. And I hear you about

755
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: the locker room and stuff like that, and I think

756
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: that's a good point. But I just mean, just in

757
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: a vacuum, just because Jacoby Brissett has been, let's face it,

758
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: pretty terrible in the preseason. I'm not putting Drake May

759
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: in just because Jacoby Brissett is not setting the bar

760
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Speaker 2: high enough. In my opinion right now, it's it's not

761
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Speaker 2: quite cam in twenty twenty one. Like it's not that bad,

762
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Speaker 2: but it's not quite high enough where I feel like, oh,

763
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: he's beating out a real he's really winning this competition

764
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: over a guy that's that's pushing it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I said this the other day, Jacoby Verssett's performance should

766
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: not impact Drake May's development plan. Yeah, And the locker

767
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: room thing's a little different because guys buying in on

768
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: Drake May. You got to be able to tell our

769
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: guys buying in on Drake May because they believe in him,

770
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: or just because they're done with Jacoby Brissett. But Jacoby

771
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: Brissett's level of plays completely independent of Drake May's development,

772
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Speaker 1: and it shouldn't change the timeline.

773
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Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, So I want to read this email or actually,

774
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: let's take this one call because this is probably gonna

775
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Speaker 2: be a longer discussion. David is in Maine's up. David, Hey, guys.

776
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 5: How's it going good?

777
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: How are you?

778
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 6: I'm great, Evan, You're my favorite. You really do a

779
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 6: good job at keeping the Unfiltered train on the track.

780
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Speaker 6: Jim So, I appreciate every time you're on Unfiltered.

781
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Speaker 2: Thank you.

782
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 5: So a quick question.

783
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Speaker 6: I keep hearing New England has the third pick in

784
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 6: the when it comes to waivers, and I guess I

785
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Speaker 6: always thought it was just kind of a first come,

786
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Speaker 6: first serve thing, So I was wondering if you could

787
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Speaker 6: just kind of explain.

788
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Speaker 5: Briefly how the waivers work.

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Speaker 6: And also is it likely that you can find like

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Speaker 6: a starting caliber lineman or tackle in waivers or is

791
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Speaker 6: that more just a fill in the depth kind of thing.

792
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Speaker 6: And I'll take it off the air from there. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks David, thanks for the call. So it's a

794
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: good question. This to me is a little bit overblown

795
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: in terms of their waiver priority. So the waiver wire works. First,

796
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: there's two important things to know. First of all, until

797
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: claims start coming in, it's the draft order from last year. Yeah, right,

798
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: so Chicago has the number one claim. No, oh, Carolina

799
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 2: Carolina has Yeah, Carolina has the number one claim. Washington, Patriots,

800
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Speaker 2: so on and so forth, right, so that it's the

801
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Speaker 2: reverse of the draft order. It's exactly how it works.

802
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Speaker 2: Then the other thing I should mention, or we should mention,

803
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Speaker 2: is that players only go through waivers are only subject

804
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Speaker 2: to waivers if they have three or less accrude seasons

805
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Speaker 2: in the NFL. Once you get to a four accrued

806
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: seasons in the league, then you're just a street free

807
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: agent when you're released. So i'll give you an example.

808
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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, the Patriots cut Brian Hoyer.

809
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Speaker 2: He then resigned with the practice squad for a beat. Right,

810
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Speaker 2: Brian Hoyer was a vested veteran, he'd been in the

811
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Speaker 2: league for ten years. He didn't go through waivers. The

812
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Speaker 2: player that would go through waivers is like Marcella's dial

813
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Speaker 2: a rookie, he would go through waivers. Bailey's a last year,

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Speaker 2: Bailey's appy actually this year too, right, yeah right, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two draft, yeah yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: And an accurrent season means six or more games played.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so for to an extent, we're we're talking

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Speaker 2: about players that were on their rookie contracts, right like that,

819
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Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about in terms of waivers. So

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Speaker 2: to answer the second part of the question, are you

821
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Speaker 2: were not going to find a starting left tackle on waivers?

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Speaker 2: That that that's not where we're at. Like, if the player,

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Speaker 2: a young player on a team is a promising tackle

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Speaker 2: prospect that the team that he's currently on feels like

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Speaker 2: he is going to push to maybe start down the

826
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Speaker 2: road or has it that sort of ceiling, then why

827
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Speaker 2: would they be releasing that player?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't make a waiving, I should say, that player

830
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Speaker 2: wouldn't make any sense. So in some respects, yes, there's

831
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: always a handful of players every single year that get

832
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: claimed on waivers that could make a fifty three man roster,

833
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: Like maybe they're your fifty second or fifty third guy.

834
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Speaker 2: But in terms of that guy actually making a big

835
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: impact on the on the NFL team. Not not likely.

836
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like especially not a tackle, especially not at that position.

837
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

838
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Speaker 2: Like, what was a few years ago, who was the

839
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: kid from Navy that we all knew Bill Belichick would

840
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: like be all over these like a Keenan Reynolds. They

841
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: claimed him, right, I want to say, yeah, and you

842
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: know he was here for a cup of coffee and

843
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 2: that was it, so that those are the types of

844
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Speaker 2: guys that you get on waivers. I want to read

845
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Speaker 2: this email from Adama because I think it's a good

846
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: it's a good jumping off point for the conversation about

847
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Speaker 2: Van Pelton, the scheme and stuff like that, and then

848
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: we'll do three up, three down. So he said, Uh,

849
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: he was listening to Zoe, and Zoe was talking about

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Speaker 2: how in practice, uh, the plays they were running were

851
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: not to Drake May strains, they weren't conducive to Drake

852
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: May strings. But then the preseason game they called plays

853
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: that more resembled what he did at North Carolina and

854
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: what he did in college. And the biggest difference between

855
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: the two scripts in terms of was Drake May running

856
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: the full boat of the Alex Van Pelt offense to

857
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: me was playing from under center. You know, he only

858
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: had one drop back pass attempt from under center was

859
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: the slide route play action play to Mitchell Wilcox in

860
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Speaker 2: the flat. That was the only time that he played

861
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: from under center in the past game. Then he also

862
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: had an aborted snap. It looked like that was probably

863
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: going to be a playfake, but who knows right what

864
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 2: it was actually going to be. He didn't really play

865
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 2: a ton from under center. I thought this shotgun stuff

866
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: that he was doing was pretty much what they've been

867
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: doing in practice. But the question that I have for

868
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: Van Pelt tomorrow, which I think is a big part

869
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 2: of this whole discussion, is do they need Drake May

870
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: to be able to handle the entirety of the playbook,

871
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 2: which means playing from under center, Yeah, is the biggest

872
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: one in order for them to feel like he's ready

873
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: to play in a game. Or would they go into

874
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: a game like a game script that they had against

875
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: the Eagles in the preseason where he is playing in

876
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 2: the gun for the majority of the game and they're

877
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: cool with that.

878
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance they'd mix in some pistol.

879
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: This is I'm so glad you brought this up. See

880
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: this is how we you know, this is why we

881
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: do the show together. Uh. That's a really good point.

882
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 2: And when you read about some other offenses around the league,

883
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: first of all, should mention Drake may have played out

884
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: of the pistol a ton in North Carolina. Yeah, that

885
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: was a big part of their offense.

886
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: And I remember you saying at the draft or before

887
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: just after, at some point you made the point that

888
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: he would it would be a little easier for him

889
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: to get used to working under center than most of

890
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: these shotguns specific quarterbacks, because he had worked in the pistol,

891
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: so some of those play action mechanics were there's a

892
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: lot of carry over there exactly.

893
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: So in the pistol. The biggest thing about being under center. Yeah,

894
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: obviously the playfake is it's harder to read as the

895
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: defense right, it's a lot more effective quarterback turns us

896
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: back to the to the play line of scrimmage, he

897
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 2: puts the ball out. All that kind of stuff makes

898
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: it easier to sell the play fake. The other thing

899
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: that is big with with the being under center in

900
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: the run game is that the running back can go

901
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: either way right, right, because he's standing behind the quarterback.

902
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: So now he has the ability you can run it

903
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: left or you can run it right, and you don't

904
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: when gunn you don't necessarily have that advantage because the

905
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: back is offset. So now like it's a little bit

906
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: different for him to run to the same side that

907
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: he's lined up as. So that's the big advantage of

908
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: being under center is that the running back can go

909
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: either direction and then the playfakes are better. So a

910
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: lot of these quarterbacks, you know, a lot of these

911
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: coaches in the modern game, what they've done with these

912
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that don't like being under center. And I'll give

913
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: you an example. Tua does not like being under center,

914
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: doesn't like it, hatesa So the Shanahan offense that Mike

915
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 2: McDaniel's running in Miami, that is a heavy under center operation.

916
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: So what Channon or what McDaniel's done to build this

917
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: around Tua is that they've adopted the pistol. So now

918
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: with the pistol, the running backs behind the quarterback and

919
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: the gun so you still have that ability for the

920
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: running back to go either direction.

921
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 7: Right.

922
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: The other thing that you have is that what Tua

923
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: will do is he'll still turn his back to the

924
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: defense on a play action fake. So now you're getting

925
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: that same play action and you can actually bootleg out

926
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: of the pistol as well and get the same exact

927
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: action that you're looking for from under center. You can

928
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: get it in the pistol. So my I wonder if

929
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: that is the compromise for Alex van Pelt, because, let's

930
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 2: face it, the stuff from under center from Drake May

931
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: has been bumpy at times, not so much about the

932
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: reads and getting the ball out once he gets up

933
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: and down field, he's fumbling the snaps.

934
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: Right, it's getting that.

935
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: It's literally getting out from underneath center. That's an issue

936
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 2: right now.

937
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: Well, but this also goes back to my point. I

938
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: really wish they'd let him work more with David Andrews

939
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: because he's working with Nick Levertt is really a guard

940
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: who's moving the center. Antonio Maffi's really guard who's moving

941
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: the center and struggling, and who else he worked with

942
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: Liam Fourneels a converting Yeah, Levert's a converted guard, Mafi's

943
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: a converted guard.

944
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

945
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: Forin Dell's a converted tackle. I'd still understand that one

946
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: tackle the guard to right, and then Charles Turner's at

947
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: UDFA who they clearly don't see as a as a

948
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: legitimate option. So I don't know. Maybe I'd like to

949
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: see him under center, with a real center and maybe

950
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 1: some of that clears up, but we didn't see it so.

951
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: Right, So I love the idea of the pistol that

952
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: to me seems like a perfect compromise to negate the

953
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: issues that they're having with Drake may playing from under center,

954
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: but also still running some of the traditional early down

955
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: concepts that Van Pelt wants to get to. You can

956
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: still run all the post crosses, the bootlegs, hank concepts like,

957
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: you can still run all of that stuff from the pistol,

958
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 2: and it's basically the same as running it from under

959
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: center without him having to worry about the footwork and

960
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: the snaps and all that kind of stuff. Love that compromise.

961
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: Glad you brought it up too. Was the real poster

962
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: child for this, Yeah, because you know McDaniel. I don't

963
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: know if he was the first guy to do this,

964
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: but McDaniel kind of was in a revolution of having

965
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: quarterbacks turn their back to the line of scrimmage out

966
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 2: of the pistol, like that that whole action of turning

967
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 2: your back to the line, showing the ball fake like,

968
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: doing all those mechanics from the pistol was something that

969
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: McDaniel kind of brought to the league a little bit

970
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: and is obviously all over the college game. The other

971
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 2: quarterback I just give you an example with is Matthew

972
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: Stafford also hates being under center, so that RAMS offense

973
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 2: is still in that tree of Shanahan whatever, and he

974
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: hates being under center. So they've adopted the entire offense

975
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 2: to be more from the gun, and that's they've thrived

976
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: when he's been healthy in that regard. So I think

977
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: there's ways to kind of pivot out of this. The

978
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: question that I have for Van Pelt is are you

979
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: willing to pivot right?

980
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: Like?

981
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: Is that something you're willing to do or are you

982
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: looking at it more like we need Drake May to

983
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: master being under center so that we can play him

984
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: under center. It's gonna be an interesting question. All right,

985
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: Let's take this last call well from Brian and Baltimore.

986
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: What's up?

987
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 7: Brian, Hey, buddy, A big fan of the show. I

988
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 7: was just calling man because I feel like one of

989
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 7: the under the radar things and I know you guys

990
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 7: have talked about that little bit is man, after watching

991
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 7: that preseason game last week, man, backup center, Like, like,

992
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 7: what are we doing there? Because I knew it was

993
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 7: a few years ago that David Andrews got hurt and

994
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 7: we kind of had a backup playing with Connor mcdermack

995
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 7: and things like that, but man, backup center. Man, it

996
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 7: makes me nervous after seeing those snaps last week that

997
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 7: were low and like, I mean, god forbid David Andrews

998
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 7: don't get hurt. But what do you see is doing

999
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 7: about that? I still see some guys out there that's

1000
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 7: still free agents that'd be pretty good, maybe like bringing

1001
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 7: them in as veterans like Qusenbury or McGovern But yeah,

1002
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 7: I just really wanted to know what you guys think

1003
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 7: we should do about that, because I know that's an

1004
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 7: issue as well under the radar.

1005
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair question, Brian, thanks for the call.

1006
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: That is actually one thing you might be able to

1007
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 2: get on waivers. Yeah, a backup center, up interior alignment

1008
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: is something that you might actually be able to get

1009
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: on waivers. I'm not overly concerned about Nick Levertt being

1010
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 2: the guy. He's been fine, he's hurting, Yeah, he's been

1011
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 2: fine in terms of blocking. Obviously they have to work

1012
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: out some of the things with the issues with the

1013
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: snaps because he hasn't snapped a whole lot, right, and

1014
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: so that that's where that's probably coming from. But just

1015
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: in general, I feel like as a blocker, he's held

1016
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: his own as an interior guy. So I wouldn't be

1017
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: overly concerned if Andrews were to get hurt if Nick

1018
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: Clevertt was the guy that they turned to, and maybe

1019
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 2: they can do some stuff like again not not playing

1020
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: from under center a bunch to try to negate some

1021
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: of the things that they would have with that. But

1022
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: it's something that is on the radar. Jake Andrews gets

1023
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: hurt that that's obviously who was probably in line to

1024
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: be the backup center you mentioned Charles Turner hasn't really

1025
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: emerged as a UDFA.

1026
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: I was hoping that didn't sound super excited abut him

1027
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: when he's asked about him.

1028
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope. I was hoping that that Charles Turner

1029
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: was gonna have a better summer than what he's had.

1030
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 2: So it's a goner. But I also think that one

1031
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: just one quick thing on the backup center, that's the

1032
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: least of their worries.

1033
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: Right now on the alternative stat Yeah, they.

1034
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: Don't have a tackle, a left tackle right now that

1035
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: they feel great about. Uh, there's so many other.

1036
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: Holes right great about. Yeah, there's so many other holes

1037
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: on the in.

1038
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: The first string offense right now to that to be

1039
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 2: worried about the twoses a little bit, But I agreed

1040
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: that it is like a low key, sneaky need. All right,

1041
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: let's do three up, three down. But before we do,

1042
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: preseason is upon us, and Bob's Discount Furniture is going

1043
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,080
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1044
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,600
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1045
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1046
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1047
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,759
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1048
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: compare with Bob's Discount Furniture the official furniture store of

1049
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. All right, let's start with the

1050
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: ups because we're a positive.

1051
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: Real quick, because I I the Eagles released cj Uzama.

1052
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he's with the Bengals, right.

1053
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: He's with the Bengals. A couple of years ago. He

1054
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: was with the Jets the last two years and struggled.

1055
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, who is throwing him the football? The

1056
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: last year he had competent quarterback, playing twenty twenty one,

1057
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: he caught forty nine passes for four hundred and ninety

1058
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: three yards and five touchdowns. He is now thirty one,

1059
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: and he did just get cut before roster cuts. They

1060
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: need tight ends, they need tight ends. He'd be at

1061
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: least worth a call, at least worth a workout in

1062
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: my mind.

1063
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 2: Big dude, like big blocker. Right, he's like two hundred

1064
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: and seventy pounds.

1065
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: I want to say, is yeah, six seventy one.

1066
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a big guy.

1067
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: You just bring him. Who remember they had Algie Crumpler

1068
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: here late in his career. I think he was playing

1069
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: at like two to eighty yeah, and they just had

1070
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: him here to block. Yeah, could do something like that.

1071
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: All right, three upgree down. Let's start with the ups

1072
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 2: because we're we're I want to be positive today too

1073
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: negative last week? Who didn't like it? So let's go

1074
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: a little positive here to start? Do you want to start?

1075
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 2: You start? I always start, So you start?

1076
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: Sure? Taekwon Thornton, And I'll tell you why.

1077
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: Look at how the tables are well, but listen, I'll

1078
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: give the take.

1079
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: You're right, it's not anything he's done, but that's the

1080
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: performance wise.

1081
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: That's not fair.

1082
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: It's really not it's the way they're using them. He

1083
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: gets the veteran treatment in the preseason game, he's working

1084
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: exclusively at the starters in practice. He's gonna make the team.

1085
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's gonna make the team. And that makes

1086
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: me nervous because if they're really planning on him having

1087
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: a big role in the offense, that means he needs

1088
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: to be out there and he can't count on that

1089
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: with him. But if I'm Taekwon Thornton, I'm feeling pretty

1090
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: good right now because I know I have a spot

1091
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: on this football team.

1092
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: So the big thing for me with Taekwon and you

1093
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: say he's not he had to go ball against Christian

1094
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: Zales in practice the other Okay, so he had. He's

1095
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: had some flashes in practice. Let's put it to you

1096
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: that way. And I do feel like he's the added weight,

1097
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: Like he looks like he just looks sturdier out there

1098
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: to me, like he's not as easily derailed doing his round.

1099
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: Here's why I'm talking yourself into Taekwon Thornton.

1100
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: Of course, you know, you know this is like a

1101
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: summer tradition. Of course I'm talking you weren't gonna do

1102
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: it this year. Okay. But here's the thing about Taekwon,

1103
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: and I've been saying this for a while about him,

1104
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: so I'm repeating myself a little bit. But the biggest

1105
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: thing to me with Taekwon is that this offense needs

1106
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: a player like Taekwon Thoring on the team. They need

1107
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: an outside X receiver that can get down the field.

1108
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: It just the offense needs it, otherwise it's going to

1109
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: be exactly what we've watched the last couple of years,

1110
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: where everything is a three yard pass, right Like, they

1111
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: need somebody, even if it's just as a decoy that

1112
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: the post safety has to respect over the top, or

1113
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: when he does get the occasional one on one matchup,

1114
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: you can throw the go ball to him down the

1115
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: sideline like he did in practice the other day against Gonzo.

1116
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: They they need to be able to have that element

1117
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: of the offense, someone that clears out coverage, someone that

1118
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 2: takes occupies safeties down the field, takes the top off

1119
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: the defense and once a game, can you give me

1120
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: one good go you know, vertical route one. It's a

1121
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: game against one single coverage like that's all I'm asking for.

1122
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: I'm not asking for him to be Tyreek Hill and

1123
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: you know, win eight times like that. But if you

1124
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: can win one time, if he's one for forty and

1125
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: he's doing his job in terms of the structure of

1126
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: the offense, then to me, that's a win. And until

1127
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: Javon Baker gets to the point where he can play

1128
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: the full time X role, which he's not very close

1129
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 2: to you right now, I don't think Taekwon Thorton is

1130
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: the best player on the team for that. He's just

1131
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: the best receiver on the roster that does that. And

1132
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: it's more about usage in skill set than it is

1133
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: about anything that he's demonstratively better than at that he

1134
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: has been the last two years. Right, it's just the

1135
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: way they're using him within the framework of the offense

1136
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: that gives me a little bit of hope. So, yeah,

1137
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: I'm glad you did Taekwon because I'm not doing Taekwon.

1138
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 2: I told you I wouldn't do it.

1139
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you proceed proceeded to explain why you're

1140
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: hiring him than I am.

1141
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: You know I can always talk myself from the right.

1142
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: So you didn't have him on your list.

1143
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: I did not because I told you I wouldn't be

1144
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: duped again. That's why number one up to me still

1145
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: is Drake May. We don't have to go long on it.

1146
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: But the one center that won't be available. Speaking of

1147
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: guys you were high on, Yeah, Yell defro Holt just

1148
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: got a multi year contract extension with the Arizona Cardinals.

1149
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: That one stings because yelled defro Hole was a good

1150
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: I thought he was.

1151
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: I could use Yell for Hole.

1152
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: He was a good prospect. Yeah, I felt like he

1153
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: had a chance to make it in the league. They

1154
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: gave up on him too easily or too quickly. I

1155
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: should say I don't want to go super long on

1156
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: Drake May because we spent the first thirty five minutes

1157
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: of the show talking about it. But from the Eagles

1158
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: Thursday night preseason game on, he's just been a different

1159
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: guy to me, more confident, more decisive. He's coming on.

1160
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 2: He's making progress. He deserves credit for that, They deserve

1161
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: credit for that. I'm excited by what I've seen from

1162
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: Drake May. But you guys know that already, So who's

1163
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: your number two up?

1164
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: I had Drake May too, so I guess let me,

1165
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: I'll give you my third and I'll of another one

1166
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: so we don't have overlap. Joshua Bloodsoe nice. I thought

1167
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: he was really good in the game. Yeah, specifically as

1168
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, which was weird. And not that I'm

1169
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: saying he's going to solve all their pass rush issues,

1170
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: but they're gonna need it from somewhere, and if he

1171
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: can help as a blitzer, it's not exactly hurting his case, right.

1172
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: I thought he's really good in the game. I thought

1173
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: he had a couple of solid practices the last few

1174
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: days too. Nothing overly flashy, but a guy that's managed

1175
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: to stick around, and you're kind of seeing why right now.

1176
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: He's just the little banged up at safety or in

1177
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: the secondary. He's getting some more reps. He's doing some

1178
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: things that maybe hasn't done in the past that they're

1179
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: clearly asking him to do out of need, and he's

1180
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: doing them. And that's the kind of guy that usually

1181
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: hangs around again. So good quiet, but good week for

1182
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: josh Bledsoe.

1183
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: Jalen Hawkins is dron Harmon. He's that center fielder. But

1184
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: if Marte Mapho's not going to be a factor on

1185
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 2: this team this year, she's not at least a start.

1186
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: The most like body type is obviously josh But.

1187
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: So they have those two. They changed the rule this year.

1188
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: You can put two guys on IR before roster cuts

1189
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: that can come back, but the rule is you can't

1190
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: put them on IR until cutdown day, So like Jake

1191
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: Andrews doesn't apply, and you have to designate them that day.

1192
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: You can't put like five guys on IR that day

1193
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: and say all right, we'll pick two later. You have

1194
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: to choose to that day. Marte mop who, Christian Barmore.

1195
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: It's got to be it, right pending another injury.

1196
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree. The only way it's not Barmar

1197
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: is if the doctors say it's it's not.

1198
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: And even then they don't really have it unless Hunter

1199
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: Henry's injury is worse than we think. Yeah, they don't

1200
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: really have a clear second option, and you might as

1201
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: well at that point, right, you know you're not gonna

1202
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: you can't bank it.

1203
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1204
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, but Joshua Bledsoe uh, solid week for him,

1205
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: So that's my uh okay, that's my second.

1206
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: Number two up for me is a both rookie offensive

1207
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: lineman Kaden Wallace and Laden Robinson. Caden Wallace, I'm still

1208
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 2: you feel like he's got a little bit of ways

1209
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: to go with his technique, you know, hand placement, things

1210
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: like that that we've talked about in the past. With it,

1211
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: he's still a little bit wide with his hand carriage

1212
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: and he's get letting rushers into his frame a little

1213
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: bit too much, which causes you know, issues with anchoring

1214
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: and sustaining blocks and things like that. But he's making

1215
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: progress and should be pushing right tackle here very soon.

1216
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: I would say he he should be pushing Chukes the

1217
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: cor four early in the season for right tackle, which

1218
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: is a good development.

1219
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1220
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's gonna be a stud or

1221
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: anything like that, but if he's better than what you

1222
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: have and he's a young player on the rise, that's

1223
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: that's the type of thing that you want. Landen Robinson

1224
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: was absolutely outstanding in the game against the Eagles. Now,

1225
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: it was against a lot of backups, I'll give you know,

1226
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: I'll put that out there, put that context in there.

1227
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: It's the third and fourth quarter of a preseason game,

1228
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: so it's against like you know, third stringers and practice

1229
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: squad guys, but he was dominant at times. Like he

1230
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: took a blitzer. They sent a blitz at him, he

1231
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: came off a double took it a blitzer and threw

1232
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: him into the ground like you know, like just rag

1233
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: dolling guys. He's a physical guy. He's light on his feet,

1234
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: he's got a good sense of the game and a

1235
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: good sense of where his eyes should be and things

1236
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: like that. Really really excited about Leyden Robinson. The problem

1237
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: with Layden Robinson is is it's another guard. Like if

1238
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: he was a tackle, I'd be like, oh, this is amazing, right,

1239
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: but unfortunately he's not a tackle. So when you start

1240
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: to factor in your best five and try to figure

1241
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,479
Speaker 2: out who your best five are, it's kind of hard

1242
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: to take City So and Mike on. You're not taking

1243
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: Mike a winning.

1244
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: Off right field, so that's a part of the problem.

1245
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: The only way to really do it to get him

1246
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: in is on attacks win at tackle, but then you

1247
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: don't have Wallace, so it's really the only way you're

1248
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: getting both rookies on or either to play Wallace at left,

1249
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: which I don't love Yeah, or take City so out

1250
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: of the lineup, which is probably the better option. But

1251
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: he's a solid player. Yeah, and that's not the guy

1252
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: you're trying to replace. And now you're moving Michael and

1253
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: went into a position where he's not as good. Just

1254
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: to wedge the rookies in.

1255
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: There's there are five best guys. Three of them are guards.

1256
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 2: That doesn't work. So when you and Robinson are in

1257
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: their top five linemen on the roster, yeah, and all

1258
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: three of them are guards, you could play all three.

1259
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: You could already four their top five hour guards. And

1260
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: one's the center honestly.

1261
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean one's a center too, so if

1262
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: you want to put it that way too with David Andrews,

1263
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: So it stinks that he is not a tackle, but

1264
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 2: it doesn't stink that he's good. Like is trending in

1265
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: the right direction.

1266
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: Because people are somebody's gonna say it in the comments.

1267
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: Don't just wedge him into tackle, just try him left tackle.

1268
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 2: No, he's not a tackle. And Mike on who with

1269
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty pounds is not a tackle either, correct.

1270
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 2: So that's my second one. Do you have another one?

1271
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 3: Uh?

1272
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Jaheen Bell just I thought has made the most

1273
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: of the opportunity with the tight ends out. I don't

1274
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: know what it turns into. I still think he's probably

1275
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: a guy that starts on the practice squad and maybe

1276
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:45,959
Speaker 1: gets out of to the roster later down the road.

1277
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: But he's had He was definitely playing catch up after

1278
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: he missed that first week, and I think now he's

1279
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: he's caught up.

1280
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: Yep. I think he's one of those guys that they're

1281
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: gonna have to decide whether they're going to prioritize receiving

1282
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: upside over blocking. And when I say blocking, Mitchell Wilcox

1283
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: is the blocker right And to me, this is a

1284
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: team that needs to prioritize the upside right now. So

1285
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 2: I would go jappine belp just because they're debute to playmakers.

1286
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: They need to find playmakers and if he's a guy

1287
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: that can be a playmaker. His little spree in the

1288
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: red zone the other day with the three touchdowns and

1289
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: like a ten play span or whatever it was, that

1290
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: was exciting to me because a lot of those things

1291
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: were the things I thought he would be good at

1292
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: in the NFL. You're running into the flats and just

1293
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: winning foot races, down on the goal line, and one

1294
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: was a slide route from Joe Milton where he just

1295
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: comes underneath the formation and slides out into the flat

1296
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: and he just wins a foot race like just coming across.

1297
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: It's not right. He's getting to the top of the

1298
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: route and he's not Hunter Henry right, He's not like

1299
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: getting open on y option or something like that. He's

1300
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: just running people at that size and that's encouraging.

1301
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: All right, real quick before move on while we're talking

1302
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: about pass catchers of questions in the comments, want to

1303
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: know what you think about Matt Landers.

1304
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get to that in a second. Last one

1305
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: here my last up, yep, coming around to it. Keon White,

1306
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: all right, dot, Kean White was an animal in that

1307
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 2: game against the Eagles the other night. It's so crystal

1308
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: clear to me now and maybe it should have been before.

1309
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: But he's so much better as a hand in the

1310
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: dirt interior rusher than he is as an outside russ Yeah.

1311
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: I've been telling you this for months.

1312
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 2: And the comp that we've we've we've kicked this comp

1313
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: around I think before Trey Flowers, like Trey Flowers is

1314
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: the comp to me, he's a little bit more physical

1315
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: than Trey Flowers, and Trey Flowers is a little bit

1316
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: more elusive or like just flexible, wiggly, I would say,

1317
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: but in terms of their usage and how exactly they're

1318
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: going to play, he's very, very explosive and twitchy when

1319
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: he plays on the inside and for some reason he

1320
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: goes on the outside and he stands up and he's

1321
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: just like this stiff guy. Now, I don't know what

1322
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: it is, but on early downs if he's a strong

1323
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: side outside linebacker setting the edge of the defense and

1324
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 2: pressing the pocket, fine, and then on third down he's

1325
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 2: now it's obviously not exactly the same. It's not apples

1326
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 2: to apples, But for the time being, he's the one

1327
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 2: on one guy that wins on the inside for you

1328
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: on third down that Christian Barmore was for you last

1329
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 2: year if you had to. He's not Matthew Judon. That's

1330
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: not gonna be his game. They're gonna have to get

1331
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: by with like Uce and Ziminez and those guys you know,

1332
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: coming off the edge. But when they get on into

1333
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: third down in their pass rush packages, Keon White's gonna

1334
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 2: put his hand in the dirt. He's gonna be over

1335
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: the guard of the center and he's gonna just go

1336
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: to town like it's just gonna be one on one

1337
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 2: and yeah, go win, go go beat your block. And

1338
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: he was very good in this game. Still think he

1339
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 2: struggled a little bit with finding the ball. You know,

1340
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 2: finding the quarterback in the pocket was more buwling a

1341
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: china shop than it was, you know, in terms of

1342
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: sack production. Still, but that's what they need. They need

1343
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: a guy that's gonna get the quarterback off the spot

1344
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: on the interior and they need to do Chay or

1345
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: zem Andez or one of these other guys to emerge

1346
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 2: as the finisher. And if that's what Kean White is,

1347
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: then fine. I thought this was his best week of

1348
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: practice and in best build up.

1349
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: Glad he finally came around on that came around.

1350
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 2: See I can, I can be, I can when I'm

1351
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: wrong and be flexible. All right, let's go to the doubts.

1352
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: Uh cover set number one. Just a rough couple of

1353
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: weeks here now. And the accuracy the balls, that's the

1354
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: big thing for me, the balls getting away from him spot.

1355
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: He's not putting the ball where he should be putting it.

1356
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: You know, he's had I'd still say his summer is

1357
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: an overall positive when you take in the full body

1358
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: of work. But football is what have you done for

1359
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: me lately? Sport and the joint practice, which is the

1360
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: biggest practice of the summer, and in the preseason game

1361
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: where he played the most, he did not look good.

1362
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair assessment. I thought the tape against

1363
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 2: Carrier against the Eagles in the preseason game was brutal.

1364
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: He missed multiple throws in.

1365
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: That game and the pick was I mean, Mayo gripped

1366
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: him for it.

1367
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I feel comfortable saying it was brutal

1368
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 2: because they may have called it a terrible play. So

1369
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: I don't really think I could say anything that was

1370
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 2: worse than that. But a first third down of the game,

1371
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: he has Austin Hooper on the corner route. It's it's

1372
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: not a great ball. It's just not a great ball.

1373
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: It needs to be better there. The pick was was terrible.

1374
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: Mayo is right. Not only I understand why he came

1375
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: off the Taekwon Thornton read because they have sort of

1376
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: like a red zones bracket. Yeah, so I get why

1377
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 2: he came off that, why he didn't move on from

1378
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: Austin Hooper to Pop Douglas on the on the little

1379
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 2: return route there, juke route. I'm not a one hundred

1380
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: percent short. You have to ask him, but Pop Douglas

1381
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 2: was was open for a walk in touchdown on that

1382
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,919
Speaker 2: you know that Ellman route right outside inside a type

1383
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: of route, and uh, he just locked onto Hooper and

1384
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: threw a bad ball also on that play, and maybe

1385
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: maybe he doesn't have this quite in his back. He

1386
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: could have ran it in, yeah, because man coverage or

1387
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: and there's no there's nobody on the court, like he

1388
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: could have just waltzed in.

1389
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: Throw it away. And look, I know it's Fort Town,

1390
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: but fourth and three from the twelve. As a veteran,

1391
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: talk Mayo, you should be able to talk Mayow to

1392
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: let you go there.

1393
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least kick the field goal, right, you know,

1394
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: you got to preserve points there. Some of his accuracy

1395
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: issues that we were seeing in the game also came

1396
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: up in practice as well. So that's a little bit alarming.

1397
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 2: And uh, just the last thing, the last throw to

1398
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 2: that he made to Pop Douglas over the middle of

1399
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 2: the field in the game on last Thursday night, that

1400
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: throw was dangerous too. Yeah, he was like you got

1401
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: a guy hanging on him and he threw like whipped

1402
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 2: it to Pop Douglas and it went off. Pop Douglas's

1403
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 2: right hand wasn't catchable and popped up in the air

1404
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 2: and there you know, that could have been a pick. Also,

1405
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: So if he at the very least Jacobia Brissett needs

1406
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,919
Speaker 2: to be have good ball security and manage the game,

1407
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: and he wasn't. He has not done that, and that's

1408
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: got to improve. All right, who's your your second, because

1409
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 2: we both had Jacob Bersett.

1410
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: My second was Javon Baker. Yeah, got to catch the ball.

1411
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: It's that simple. This is not a guy that's gonna

1412
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: have a ton of opportunities. And I don't mean that

1413
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: in the sense that like they're gonna bench him. I

1414
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: just mean that in the way he plays the game,

1415
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: his role in the offense. He's not gonna be a

1416
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: high volume player. His job is to create, ideally two

1417
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: or three big plays a game. And if he does that,

1418
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: if he has three catches, that's fine because you hope

1419
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: that they amount to, you know, eighty ninety yards in

1420
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: a score. When you get open over the top, you

1421
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: have to catch the ball. That's why you're here. That's

1422
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: the primary reason you're here, not being able to do that,

1423
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: and he struggled to do it in practice as well.

1424
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: I know I've said with him, you know he's going

1425
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: to create explosive plays. There's gonna be drops. The good

1426
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: comes with the bad. You live with it, and you

1427
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: hope the drops don't come in big moments. That ratio

1428
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: is not working in his favor right now.

1429
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 2: It's a good way of putting it. I want to

1430
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 2: give my last one and then I want to circle

1431
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 2: back to that because I have a bigger point to

1432
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 2: make about the receivers. We have a we have to

1433
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 2: have a tough conversation about the rookie receivers, right, people.

1434
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:58,879
Speaker 1: Really want you to talk about Matt Landers.

1435
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: So Jesus, okay, uh, really quickly my last down, and

1436
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: then I'll circle back to the receivers. Armon Watts.

1437
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: I was not making the team.

1438
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: I really was hoping that Armon Watts was going to

1439
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 2: be a player for them. His table last year in

1440
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh was good.

1441
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a.

1442
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 2: Pass rusher, I don't know what happened. He's not winning

1443
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 2: any one on ones uh, And during practice he's not

1444
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: He's playing into the fourth quarter of preseason games, like

1445
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 2: this is a classic veteran surprise Mike Panell. Yeah that,

1446
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 2: but he's a better rusher than Mike Panell, like Mike

1447
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: Pel's nose.

1448
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: No. No, but I'm saying, like Mike Panell was signed

1449
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. I remember people getting mad at me. I

1450
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: left him off for roster projection. Yeah, people got mad

1451
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: at me, and I'm like, he's not gonna make the team. No,

1452
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: I think he just some of it too, like he

1453
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: got laft. Jeremiah Farms has been excellent this summer. Tristan

1454
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: Hill has had a very solid summer. And I would

1455
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: also say a Qualle Daniel, well, he was Quali was

1456
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: always ahead of him to me in the depth chart,

1457
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: but coming in you think he's kind of that third

1458
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: guy to Daniel Laqualley in Barmore and then obviously you

1459
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: lose bar More. But I had him ahead if I

1460
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: to do with depth chart, I had n't head of

1461
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: Farms in Hill, and they've both been better than him. Sorry,

1462
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: and credit to those guys. That's not saying like he's

1463
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 1: been terrible, and it's by default both of those guys,

1464
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: especially Farms, excellent, But he just he got outplayed and

1465
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: got outplayed by other players on the roster.

1466
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 2: Just a little surprised, especially when Barmar got injured or

1467
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,600
Speaker 2: blood clots, whatever health issues. There was there was a

1468
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 2: clear path for armand Watts already, and then at that

1469
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 2: point there was like a really clear path for Arman

1470
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: Watts to make this team. And like I said, he

1471
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 2: had really good film in Pittsburgh last year. Yeah, and

1472
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 2: I was really surprised that it just hasn't been there

1473
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 2: at all.

1474
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: For him this week. Look at Mike Panell, he stuck

1475
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: around and he's been in the league. What year is that,

1476
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: probably nineteen Yeah, and he's been in the league since

1477
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: and he's been a starter on some good teams in

1478
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: Kansas City.

1479
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: Nineteen twenty twenty somewhere around there.

1480
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: Well, Cony Eelie, I think flamed out. But like bad

1481
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: summer can change a lot for you.

1482
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: Okay, let's circle back to the rookie receivers and I'll finish.

1483
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: Give my third Oh Marcellus Dial, Now do I still

1484
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: think he can be a player in this league? Yes? Absolutely?

1485
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: And another guy where I think the body of work

1486
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: this summer is overall good. A really rough preseason game

1487
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: he had a really rough time to joint practices that

1488
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: to me is a guy. We talked about it with

1489
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: the waivers earlier. I think in clear waivers, you get

1490
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: him to the practice squad, you continue to work on

1491
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: his game, and I wonder if maybe they should try

1492
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: him at safety a little bit because good open field tackler,

1493
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: good covering space, played kicking game as well, and you

1494
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: revisit him a little bit. I also kind of, like

1495
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: we just talked about with Watts, Marco Wilson's been playing well,

1496
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: Isaiah Bolden is playing while he's playing on the slot

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01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: more now, which is really important. Whom I'm missing from

1498
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: that group Sean Waves, Yeah, Sean Way, Alex Austin. Yeah,

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: So like I just think Dial got he got passed,

1500
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: he got laughed by some other guys that that have

1501
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: just been playing better at the position.

1502
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would have him off the roster right now.

1503
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: And I am it's like probably my fifty fourth fifty.

1504
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that nice practice squad potential there. Yep, you

1505
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 2: know a developmental guy. Okay, let's let's let's have a

1506
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 2: tough conversation about the rookie receivers. Yeah, so the Baker

1507
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: stuff is more obvious because of the targets. You know,

1508
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 2: he's yeah, got three of eight targets, and we also

1509
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 2: can see it on the downfield targets that you know,

1510
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 2: they haven't been great in terms of his involvement on

1511
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 2: those plays. But the film from the first two weeks

1512
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 2: for both these guys of the preseason hasn't been great.

1513
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: And I'm talking about Jalen Polk also. With Jalen Polk,

1514
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: let's start with him there. Yeah, there are still my

1515
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 2: big thing with Jalen Polk, and you know I've been

1516
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: struggling with Jalen Polk. Yeah, my big thing with him

1517
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 2: is that he's going to have to be an expert outrunner.

1518
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 2: You know, Steve Smith likes to say you have a

1519
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 2: PhD and rout running. He's going to have to be

1520
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 2: an absolute technician at this level because he doesn't have

1521
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 2: the physical gifts to just win on raw talent. So

1522
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 2: he's going to have to understand everything from concepts to leverage,

1523
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: to how to stem, how you know, how to release,

1524
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 2: like all of the little details of running routes. Jalen

1525
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: Polk's going to have to be a masterclass at that.

1526
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 2: And the concern that I have with him on film,

1527
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: is that every these first two games there's two or

1528
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 2: three times where there's some clear mental errors where I'm

1529
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 2: just not a hundred percent sure he knows what he's doing.

1530
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 2: And I'm not like trying to be an ass. It's

1531
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: just like he's a rookie, right and there still looks

1532
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: a little loss at there. I'll give you an example

1533
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,839
Speaker 2: that I mentioned the throat Mitchell Wilcox in the flat earlier,

1534
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: So that's Manton man coverage and Jalen Polk for some

1535
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 2: reason runs into the same flat that Mitchell Wilcox runs into,

1536
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 2: and the guy that actually tackles Mitchell Wilcox is Jalen

1537
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: Polk's man. Jalen Polk's man comes off of Jalen Pole

1538
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 2: and makes the tackle on Mitchell Wilcox. If Jalen Polk

1539
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: isn't in that area, there's nobody over there, Like Mitchell

1540
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: Wilcox is still running right like, because there's just his

1541
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 2: man must have gotten lost in the wash of the

1542
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 2: playfake or whatever, yeah, and there's nobody over there to

1543
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 2: cover him. The guy that actually makes it not an

1544
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 2: explosive play is Jalen Polk's guy. Because I think Jalen

1545
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 2: Polk ran the wrong route right right, so that those

1546
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: things are happening. The other thing that happened in the

1547
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 2: game was the sack in the third quarter of Drake May.

1548
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 2: That play from snap to time to sack took four

1549
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 2: point two seconds too long. You can't hold the ball

1550
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 2: for that long. In the NFL. Some of that's on Drake,

1551
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 2: like he's got to take a check down r right,

1552
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 2: He's got to get the ball out. But it's a

1553
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 2: dagger concept. So the inside receiver is running a vertical route,

1554
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: the outside receiver is running that deep in cut at

1555
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: the sticks, and Jalen Polk's the inside receiver. He gets

1556
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: chucked at the line of scrimmage, you know, gets chipped

1557
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: to the line of scrimmage, and he never really gets

1558
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: back on the tracks. He just kind of jogs up

1559
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 2: the field and he kind of does this like squiggly

1560
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 2: lined thing, and it's just not a good enough clear

1561
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 2: out route. And so the safety it's it's quarter quarter

1562
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 2: a half, it's cover six. The safety is just like

1563
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 2: sitting on the dig because Jalen Polk doesn't clear out

1564
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 2: the picture. So he's just like sitting there waiting for

1565
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 2: Drake may like you're gonna throw it right through it,

1566
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 2: and Jalen and and Drake Mays in the pocket and

1567
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 2: he's waiting for Jalen Polk to run through the coverage

1568
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 2: so that he can throw the dig route. And Jalen

1569
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 2: Pulk never threatens the safety. It just never works. And

1570
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 2: that speaks to me to more of like the deep

1571
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 2: speed and the long speed to be able to run

1572
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: those types of routes. So Jalen Polk will be a

1573
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 2: fine receiver, but they're really to me, going to have

1574
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 2: to manage the rap tree with it. Like he's gonna

1575
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 2: have to just live at the first and second level

1576
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: the defense. He's gotta be running in cuts and crossers

1577
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: and you know, just little things you know underneath the defense, hitches,

1578
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 2: things like that. The third level is not there to me.

1579
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 2: And if he's gonna get to being a really good

1580
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 2: receiver in this league, he's gonna have to be mentally

1581
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 2: sharper than he's been. So I haven't loved what I've

1582
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: seen from him. I'm not completely out, I just haven't

1583
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 2: loved it. They seem like they're a little bit more

1584
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 2: bullish on it than I am. Because he's been elevated

1585
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 2: up the depth chart, it seems like in recent days.

1586
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm being too hard on him, but I

1587
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: just there's a lot of things with the film that

1588
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 2: I'm just a little bit concerned about. That's Jalen Polk.

1589
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 2: I don't know what your thoughts on him. I'll give

1590
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 2: the Javon Baker take, but well, I'm just curious to

1591
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 2: what you're seeing.

1592
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: What I would flip a lot of what you said

1593
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: about Drake may Or earlier on to that that mental

1594
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: stuff's teachable, That mental stuff's coachable. Now, I wouldn't have

1595
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: him running a ton of vertical routes. I would rather

1596
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: have him be the d cut on the dig than

1597
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: the vertical.

1598
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah like that.

1599
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: So that speaks to a usage thing, and maybe when

1600
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 1: the regular season starts, that's what he's doing. But I

1601
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: think that you know he's gonna be He's not gonna

1602
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: be this big play threat, this dominant. He's going to

1603
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: have to win in the short and intermediate and that

1604
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: just comes, like you said, with reading a defense and

1605
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: understanding route running. That stuff that can be taught. He's

1606
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: never going to be an overly explosive athlete. But that's

1607
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: the guy they picked like they if that comes as

1608
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: a surprise to them, that that speaks to a deeper problem.

1609
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1610
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: I just I've used the Jacoby Myers comp a million times.

1611
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue to use it. He's just got to

1612
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: learn how to get open at the sticks, find a

1613
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 1: hole in the coverage, sit down, and catch the football.

1614
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: That's what he's got to do. If they're using him

1615
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: for more than that, that's on them.

1616
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. And I

1617
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: still see the Jacoby Meyers arc there. Yeah, it just

1618
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: to me. It's like with Jacoby, but he was an

1619
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 2: undrafted guy. It's not gonna come right away.

1620
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: Well, Jacoby was also only in his third year of

1621
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: playing receiver, right right, he was a converted quarterback, so

1622
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: let's separate that. But yeah, it's it's gonna be a

1623
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,879
Speaker 1: learning process for Polk in this role because at Washington

1624
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: the game plan was pretty much run straight, doesn't matter

1625
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: if your open or not. Michael Pennock will put the.

1626
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: Ball in your hands.

1627
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what he did. Now he's got to

1628
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: learn to play the game a little differently. It is

1629
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a developing thing, but I still think he

1630
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: can be a player, he's just not gonna be I

1631
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: think some people look at second round receivers and they

1632
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: see Devonte Adams, they see DK metcalf right, thank you, guys, like,

1633
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: that's not Age Brown's first round pick.

1634
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: The second round pick.

1635
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, he was that he was traded for

1636
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: first round pick. That's that's not the kind of guy

1637
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk is. If that's the guy they wanted, they

1638
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: should have drafted somebody else. You can have that argument.

1639
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that that guy was there for them

1640
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: at that point with the run on receivers at least

1641
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: not probably not not that you would be comfortable taking there.

1642
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean again, we're talking about now a guy like

1643
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: Jayvon Baker, who you're hoping is just kind of a

1644
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 1: big play threat. But that's uh yeah, I just it's

1645
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: he's just gonna have to learn to read a defense

1646
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: and find space because he say he's not necessarily gonna

1647
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 1: win physically.

1648
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tough with him because he's he's gonna

1649
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: have to be mentally extremely sharp and he's gonna have

1650
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 2: to be a really advanced route runner to be a

1651
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 2: high volume, high productive for the.

1652
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: Record, I think he can do that. Everything you hear

1653
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 1: about this guy loves football film rat like, Yeah, just

1654
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: wants to understand the game better and is willing to

1655
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: put in the hours to do so. He is to

1656
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: do it.

1657
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just that to me, that whole thing is

1658
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: gonna take time, and I just wonder he's probably gonna

1659
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 2: be in the top three until Kenrick Bourne is healthy.

1660
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, my big I guess, my big picture take

1661
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: with all both these guys is that I don't want

1662
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 2: fans to be surprised if they play a little bit

1663
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 2: less than you want them to.

1664
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: Uh.

1665
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 2: Polk I think will play a little bit more, yeah

1666
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 2: than Baker certainly, But with where things stand right now

1667
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: with Javon Baker, there's a chance that Javon Baker is

1668
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 2: like a healthy scratch week one. If he doesn't start

1669
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: to turn it around a little bit, that that is

1670
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 2: not going to be popular. It's a similar thing, but

1671
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 2: maybe even worse because he's a higher draft pick than

1672
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: like Kaishan Bouti not getting on the field, right, you know,

1673
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like that where there's this guy that's

1674
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: got a lot of talent and he's got a lot

1675
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 2: of ability, but he just isn't quite there yet as

1676
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 2: a football player for him to play in an NFL game.

1677
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 2: And and that's where I'm at with Javon Baker. Two

1678
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 2: big things with Javon Baker just in terms of the details. One,

1679
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 2: his route releases from the outside need to get better.

1680
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: He can't. He's not winning early enough in the route,

1681
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,520
Speaker 2: you know, so like he's getting pushed into the sideline,

1682
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 2: or he's he's getting you know, stuck to press man

1683
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: coverage and there's at no point in the route where

1684
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 2: it looks like he's open, right, And yes, I understand

1685
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 2: that some receivers are open when they're not open and

1686
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, but he all those guys

1687
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 2: still have really good technique at the line of scrimmage,

1688
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 2: and he's got to develop a go to release and

1689
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: then once we get to that, then maybe a counter

1690
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: off of it. Right, But if you need to have

1691
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 2: a best release, like when he's one on one on

1692
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 2: the on the back side like that, like on the

1693
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: third down play that he runs out of bounds and

1694
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: gets targeted on that play, there is not a mandatory

1695
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 2: outside release. That's just best release, Like whatever your best

1696
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 2: move is off the line of scrimmage, give me that

1697
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: and get yourself off the line and get yourself open.

1698
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 2: And he didn't really have much there in terms of that,

1699
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 2: And I think it was Killy Ringo, right, who I

1700
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: do like a lot. Killy Ringo just bodied him into

1701
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 2: the sideline because there's no wiggle there at the line

1702
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. He's got to get better there. And then

1703
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 2: obviously there's the stuff with the drops and with his hands,

1704
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: and I thought he slowed a little bit up on

1705
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: that post route, you know, trying to track the ball.

1706
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: Like he comes out of the break, which was a

1707
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 2: nice break by the way, a nice little nod, and

1708
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 2: then hit the post and he comes out of it

1709
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 2: and he's like looking up for the ball because he

1710
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: doesn't have his eyes back into the backfield yet, so

1711
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: he's like looking for the ball. And when he looks

1712
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 2: for the ball, he slowed down a little bit. And

1713
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 2: if he doesn't slow down, that's in stride instead of

1714
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 2: him laying out to try to catch the football. It's

1715
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 2: just little things like that. But I just don't want

1716
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: people to be prized with Baker if he doesn't play

1717
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: a ton early on in the season. Yeah, because I

1718
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: know we're gonna get the calls and we're gonna get

1719
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 2: the emails and people. You know, it's the same thing

1720
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 2: with a Kaishan booty or what. Why isn't this guy playing?

1721
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 2: Why isn't this guy playing? And and these are the

1722
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 2: reasons why he's not playing. Uh so we'll see you

1723
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 2: with both these guys. Top three right now seems to

1724
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 2: be Thorton, Douglas Polk, maybe kJ Osborne is like rotting

1725
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 2: there three and a half with Jalen Polk. They want

1726
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 2: to go bigger, take pop off the field early down. Yeah, yeah,

1727
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 2: and that that seems to be the top three. People

1728
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,759
Speaker 2: really want to know what I think about Matt Landers.

1729
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: Huh, they're still going on about it.

1730
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So my take on Matt Landers. I remember him

1731
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 2: coming out with Arkansas end. When you run a four

1732
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: three seven, it catches the eye at six four catches

1733
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 2: the eye. We went over all at the beginning of

1734
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: the show, all the stuff about Taekwon and the role

1735
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: and all that. Yeah, that exists for him in this offense.

1736
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I saw with Matt Landers though,

1737
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 2: that he struggles with is rowt ttail, you know, not

1738
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 2: exactly a technician, you know, he's a raw athlete right now,

1739
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 2: maybe they feel like that they can develop those types

1740
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 2: of guys better now than they could before. I'm not

1741
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 2: holding my breath on that just yet. Yeah, but he's

1742
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 2: someone that if you're a Javon Baker just a little bit.

1743
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's Javon Baker's making the team like

1744
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: no one's saying yeah yeah, But if you're a Javon

1745
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 2: Baker and that uh with running with the twos and

1746
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 2: the threes in that X role, this is a guy

1747
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 2: that that could conceivably do that. Like Jaqwai Jackson was

1748
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 2: the third X. He gets injured. Now Matt Landers is

1749
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 2: the third X. That's the way I look at it.

1750
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: And I, by the way, I'm right there with you

1751
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 1: in that. I think he's here because jaquaih Jackson got hurt. Yeah,

1752
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: similar receiver. Like I said, six four ten, ran a

1753
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: four three seven, you're six four two ten, you run

1754
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: a four to three seven, you go undrafted. What does

1755
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: that tell you? Yeah, right, that he's an incredibly raw,

1756
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 1: raw player. I don't mind him as a practice squad

1757
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,559
Speaker 1: it just like I was saying, I like Jaquoi Jackson

1758
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,759
Speaker 1: for the practice squad. Yeah, kind can't around see what happens.

1759
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 1: Maybe if you really get get beat up depth wise,

1760
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: like I'd feel comfortable putting him in a game. I

1761
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: don't know that I feel great about it, but I

1762
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with it. I put Matt Landers in that conversation,

1763
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: so hopefully six around on the practice squad. But I

1764
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: don't think he's anything more than that.

1765
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. All right, let's take Patty's

1766
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 2: call and then we'll read some more of these emails

1767
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: in the show. Patty is an aquan. What's up, Patty?

1768
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 5: What's going on? Guys?

1769
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 2: How you doing good?

1770
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 3: Good?

1771
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 5: So you know, I like throwing the questions at you

1772
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 5: guys all the time because there's two of you. So yeah,

1773
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 5: the first one before we get into like the roster

1774
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 5: breakdown next week, which I'm I know you guys are

1775
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 5: going to do, and previewing the break Bengals game the

1776
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 5: subsequent week sight unseen, And I'm going to bring up

1777
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 5: something that I brought up a little while ago. I

1778
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 5: think after the draft and after the schedule came out,

1779
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 5: you guys think, honestly, regardless of who the starting quarterback is.

1780
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 5: Question to one, do they have a chance to beat

1781
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 5: the Bengals, because, like I brought up before many weeks ago,

1782
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 5: they are notoriously slow starters in the Joe Burrow era.

1783
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 5: And if you look at one of the teams that's

1784
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 5: given them problems, you know, over the past couple of years,

1785
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 5: it's been the Cleveland Browns in this system.

1786
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: You know.

1787
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 5: And the second question, you're talking about wide receivers. Do

1788
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 5: you think, because for all intensive purposes, Taekwan's probably going

1789
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 5: to make the team, do you think with you know,

1790
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 5: if he has a few regular season games something that

1791
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 5: we haven't seen from him, do you think he could

1792
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 5: actually become not a great player, but like kind of

1793
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 5: like a middle of the road receiver and somebody that

1794
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 5: can you can see like contributing into Drake may era

1795
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 5: as it were, on this team. I'll take it off

1796
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 5: the air and there's always the guys are.

1797
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 2: Great, right, thanks Patty, So do the Taekwon thing, and

1798
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 2: I'll letting myself get do that much with Taekwon. I

1799
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 2: don't feel like he's going to ever be in a

1800
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 2: thousand yard receiver or anything crazy like that, but can

1801
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 2: he be a role player within the framework of this

1802
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 2: offense and the way that they're going to design this

1803
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 2: offense can be a little bit different than it was

1804
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 2: in the past, I would think. So that's where I'm at.

1805
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 2: I'm not going any further than that. I believe he

1806
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: could be a role player, Like he could be a

1807
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 2: field stretching role player. Trying to think of a good example,

1808
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 2: like maybe like a Philip dor Set, you know, but

1809
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 2: obviously a little bit different because he's longer than taller

1810
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 2: than Philip Dorset was, but like something along those lines,

1811
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 2: which is a serviceable NFL caliber field stretcher. But not again,

1812
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 2: not tyreek Kill, not you know, Randy Moss, like not

1813
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 2: like the not a high volume guy, but somebody that

1814
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 2: could do that sort of thing. I could sell myself

1815
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 2: on that. That's about as far as I would go.

1816
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just kind of that, you know, like Nelson

1817
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: Aguilar type. I guess that's gonna be the best. I

1818
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: was trying to remember. Wasn't one of there's like ten

1819
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: Mike Williams. That's why I can't remember. Wasn't there a

1820
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: Mike Williams that played for the Steelers who was just.

1821
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 2: Like a burner Mike Wallace.

1822
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace. That's yeah, there's so many Mike Williams. Yeah,

1823
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: I always forget about Mike Wallace. Like Mike and Mike

1824
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: Wallace had a long career. He was in the league

1825
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: for like ten years. He's never he had a couple

1826
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: of thousand yard seasons early, but he was just kind

1827
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: of we're gonna put you on the outside, yeah, and

1828
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna run a go ball. And he was consistent

1829
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: enough that he stayed on the field.

1830
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1831
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,520
Speaker 1: He got ten touchdowns one year in Miami.

1832
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it signed a big contract with the Dolphs.

1833
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: Right, could he be that? That's probably his ceiling. That's

1834
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: probably Taekwon's ceiling. Yeah, somewhere between uh uh, Nelson Agil

1835
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 1: or Mike Wallace. But if he can put it together,

1836
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: that's the kind of player you're looking at.

1837
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 2: I'll give you one more just.

1838
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: But he's got to stay healthy to be able to

1839
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: do that, which I'll believe when I see it.

1840
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you one more just because of the

1841
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 2: body type.

1842
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1843
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 2: Robbie Anderson like actually Jets, Like I hate to use

1844
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 2: prime with Robbie Anderson, but like when Robby Anderson was

1845
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:01,480
Speaker 2: actually relevant, Okay.

1846
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, I I thought Robbie Anderson in Carolina.

1847
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Like when he had that breakout here in Carolina, I

1848
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: was so ready to be like, this guy is it,

1849
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: this guy is going to be an elite receiver. And

1850
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: then obviously he just completely fell off the map. But yeah, yeah,

1851
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: I could see that. I hold Robbie robb it's Robbie

1852
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 1: chosen now, by the way, whatever it is, I hold

1853
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: Robbie chosen in high regard for that one season. That

1854
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: one season, I was locked. I was locked in, I

1855
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: was ready to I was on the band. Met mister oh,

1856
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: it's the best. I remember when when they came here

1857
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 1: for a joint practice last year, like he did a scrum. Yeah,

1858
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: but he was like he kind of confused as to

1859
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 1: while the reporters were talking to him.

1860
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure he did. I think he always looks confused.

1861
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 2: That's just Robbie Anderson's face.

1862
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: He no, but like you're to go back to the point,

1863
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: like you're exactly right, that kind of player where he

1864
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: wasn't the most technically sound wide receiver. No, he didn't

1865
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: run a diverse rout tree. But if he needed somebody

1866
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: to run past the defense, he was pretty freaking good

1867
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 1: at it. Fast guy or run fast right and That's

1868
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: that's it. But not just fast, big and fat and big.

1869
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 1: When I say big, I mean height because that helps.

1870
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: Because that's length. You can improves the catch radius.

1871
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 2: That's that. That to me has always been Taekwon's Yeah,

1872
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 2: Peke Robbie Anderson has always been Taekwon seiling.

1873
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: Well again, Pete Robby Anderson, you're talking about borderline all pro. No,

1874
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 1: he wasn't that ninety five catches, eleven hundred yards. He

1875
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,440
Speaker 1: somehow only caught three touchdowns.

1876
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Okay, but maybe it's a little bit better than I thought.

1877
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: But still ninety that year in Carolina and that I

1878
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: don't think that was a great Carolina team in twenty twenty.

1879
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 2: That that he's not in. Taekwon is never going to

1880
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 2: catch ninety five passes, So that that's that's act.

1881
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 1: So Mike Wallace for comparison, Mike Wallace is big year

1882
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 1: and the yards are more. And maybe this is borderline

1883
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,759
Speaker 1: all pro too, but Mike Walla's big here. He caught

1884
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: sixty passes for twelve hundred yards in ten touchdowns. He

1885
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 1: averaged twenty one yards per catch. Like, if Taekwon's good,

1886
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: that's the guy he's gonna be. It's an average twenty

1887
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: one yards per catch. He's only gonna catch two or

1888
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: three balls a game, kind of like Javon Baker. I

1889
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: think Jayvon Baker is the guy they wanted in that role.

1890
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: It didn't work out, And now here's Taekwon. He caught

1891
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: sixty for twelve hundred, seventy for twelve hundred. Later in

1892
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: his career, caught seventy two for one thousand in Baltimore.

1893
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: That's a good Colm.

1894
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:10,759
Speaker 1: He's kind of perfect Joe Flacko receiver.

1895
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 2: Can I just call out somebody in the chat real fast?

1896
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1897
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: You look the cha I did look at the chat.

1898
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 2: I've been trying to look at the chat a little

1899
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 2: bit more. I know, usually monitored the chat, but I

1900
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: like to look at it and see if it's we.

1901
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: Do look so like the guy called me chubby earlier,

1902
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: Like we see that you're gonna call us out. We

1903
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: see it.

1904
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 2: So I don't. I don't. I don't even know how

1905
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 2: to say. This guy's name ant Antiquippo, ant Guapo and Guapo, Yep,

1906
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 2: he does not like you. Aunt Guampo claims that I

1907
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 2: was out on Pop Douglas somebody else.

1908
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: It might have been him, somebody claims that you are

1909
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: too big of a college football fan in your opinions

1910
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 1: on players get blurred.

1911
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 2: Somebody said that's probably you. They probably said both of us.

1912
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,599
Speaker 1: Honestly, no, he said Alex and Evan. He said you too.

1913
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 1: You Evan college football nutt too big of a college football.

1914
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 2: Fan for AP Currently, though I was down on the

1915
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 2: draft pick when the drafted Pop Douglas.

1916
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,799
Speaker 1: Honestly don't remember. No, Yeah, you liked Pop. I've always

1917
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: liked you were I think you were probably bummed in

1918
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: and takes a Flowers, but I we we saw Pop

1919
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: at this We started the whole Pop Douglas there. We

1920
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: literally were the reason why Pop Douglas was on the map.

1921
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 1: If you were if you looked on NFL mock draft

1922
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: database at that time and you see Pop Douglas's draft stock,

1923
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: He's like the four hundredth best player in the draft.

1924
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: And then the Shrine Bowl happened. We were the only

1925
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: two people that were talking about it in the Shrine Bowl.

1926
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: It shoots up that Isla. I love these podcasts.

1927
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 2: I will allow people to call me out when I'm wrong,

1928
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 2: like I talked about earlier in the show. That's fine,

1929
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 2: But if you go we were live on the air

1930
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 2: when they draft. Go watch my live reaction to them

1931
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 2: drafting Pop Douglas. I was pumped. I was in a

1932
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 2: depressed state when they gave me Jake Andrews and a kicker.

1933
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: He says, you were down Evan when he was drafted.

1934
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 2: That is absolutely ridiculous. That is I'm trying to think,

1935
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 2: can be further from the truth.

1936
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: Who might he be thinking of. I have no idea

1937
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: you weren't down on Booty. I don't think he cared

1938
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: one way or the other, the guy like the other

1939
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:00,719
Speaker 1: receiver that I.

1940
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 2: Remember my almost exactly what I said in uh in

1941
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 2: the draft, I said Pop Douglas saved Day three of

1942
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 2: the draft for the day Day three d I said

1943
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:15,440
Speaker 2: that was the nickname Dave. I remember saying it. Ridiculous, blasphemy, blasphemy.

1944
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 1: Just he says, you said it, so somebody's gonna have

1945
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: to pull the table.

1946
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, go pull the t of our Day three draft

1947
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: show from twenty twenty three, the of me being amped

1948
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 2: about Pop Doug.

1949
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: The only thing he might be thinking of, the only

1950
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: thing he might be thinking of is I go back

1951
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 1: to that would have been twenty three, right, Yeah, for

1952
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: like a month after the Shrine Bowl. You very much

1953
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: liked Pop Douglas, but you could not remember his name

1954
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 1: because there was another guy that was there. There were

1955
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: two guys that were what's it called in the first

1956
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: when the two letters are the same, of like uh,

1957
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: because he was he was ja Mario Douglas. Who knows

1958
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: his name was pap yet yeah to Mario Douglas. And

1959
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: there's a guy named Dallas Day from Jackson State, and

1960
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 1: that was who we both we kind of liked too

1961
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:03,719
Speaker 1: as like a specialties player.

1962
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 2: He was in the city. It was they literally had

1963
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 2: three levels of the same player at the Shrine Bowl.

1964
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:13,680
Speaker 2: It was Zay Flowers was the top guy, Pop was

1965
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 2: the second guy, and then Dallas Daniels was the third.

1966
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,879
Speaker 1: Zayden practice. So it was Dallas Daniels and Mario Douglas

1967
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: in the same role like switching off drives. By the way,

1968
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:26,680
Speaker 1: Dallas Daniels is playing professional football in the state of Massachusetts.

1969
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: Worster pirates.

1970
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Oh my, good for him.

1971
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 1: But that's the only thing I can think of you

1972
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: it took you like a month to figure out to

1973
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas's name.

1974
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 2: I do remember that I could not He was like

1975
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 2: my day three sleeper like I could not have been

1976
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 2: higher on Da Mario Douglas anyway, Sorry, we can move on.

1977
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: I just remember Jadakiss Bonds. Yes, that's a great name.

1978
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: All right, let's answer some of these emails. He was

1979
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 1: also Vallie Slow last thirty minutes here. So in Canada,

1980
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: are you done? Yeah?

1981
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 2: This question is Ryan in Dublin. He has a question

1982
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 2: for you, mostly Alex, because he knows that I'm not

1983
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 2: going to know the answer to this one. So apparently

1984
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 2: Florida State Georgia Tech is playing.

1985
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,560
Speaker 1: Week zero baby college football on Saturday.

1986
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 2: They're playing in Dublin. Is that? Did you know that

1987
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 2: they're playing in Ireland? Yeah? All right, so they're playing

1988
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 2: in Dublin. So his question for you, Alex is who

1989
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 2: are a couple of key players for the draft next

1990
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 2: year from Florida State and from Georgia Tech that maybe

1991
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 2: he can look out for while he's at the game.

1992
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: So I'm actually I'll have something up on ninety eight

1993
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:26,879
Speaker 1: five the Sports Lub on Friday.

1994
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 2: I know you would.

1995
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Kind of players to watch for this whole season, not

1996
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 1: just week one. When it comes to Georgia Tech, it's

1997
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 1: not a big gear for the draft. I don't even

1998
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:37,759
Speaker 1: know if they have any guys projected to be drafted.

1999
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 1: That can always change, but right now not so much.

2000
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: I'll give you two guys from Florida State, one specifically

2001
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: for the Patriots and one that's relevant to the Patriots

2002
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: that they won't draft, but it's still uh they might draft.

2003
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: All right. The guy Patriots fan Shoudo and I actually

2004
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: talked about him last year. I thought he was gonna

2005
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,759
Speaker 1: come out last year and he didn't is Patrick Payton.

2006
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: Patrick Payton is an edge rusher. He opposite Chared Vers

2007
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 1: last year, so he put up some big numbers. He's

2008
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 1: now back. He's gonna be their primary guy off the edge.

2009
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 1: When we talked, we talked about this earlier with ke

2010
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: On White. Evan, this is actually a guy that you

2011
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:15,759
Speaker 1: specifically should watch because this goes see your take. Keon

2012
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 1: White is a disruptor. He's not a finisher. You want

2013
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: the guy on the edge, the josh Ucha type. Just

2014
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 1: pin your ears back and go after the quarterback. Yes,

2015
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: that's Patrick Payton. And what I really like about him

2016
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: he played last year at like two hundred, twenty five

2017
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 1: to twenty six to five. Played last year at like

2018
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: two twenty five to two thirty. He weighed in this

2019
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 1: year at two point fifty, so now he's got more

2020
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 1: that Matthew Judon kind of body type. It's actually a

2021
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: little I think bigger, but he was a speed player

2022
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: last year, so if he can keep up some of

2023
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: that speed and agility coming off the edge, this is

2024
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: a guy that's protected to be a late first early

2025
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: second round pick. So certainly in range where the Patriots

2026
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: should be taking an edge guy, assuming they go tackle

2027
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft. You know, if you

2028
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: get a veteran wide receiver, now, edge is probably your

2029
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 1: biggest need.

2030
01:35:58,520 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 2: YEP.

2031
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 1: Patrick Pate is one of the guys for Patriots fans

2032
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 1: to watch this year. Absolutely somebody to tune into. He

2033
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 1: wears number eleven and he's mostly gonna be rushing off

2034
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: that week side the other guy on Florida State at

2035
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. There's really no draft Haines King's fun to

2036
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:19,600
Speaker 1: watch their quarterback enjoy that, but he's like five eleven

2037
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: really just runs. He's kind of he's got some hot

2038
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 1: stetson Bennett in his game, but like I honestly little

2039
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 1: Max Duggan, but he doesn't have the swagger the other

2040
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 1: guy to watch and Evan, you've heard me talk a

2041
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 1: lot about this guy, and I'll give you two reasons

2042
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: why Patriots SPAN should watch him. Dj Uey ungle A

2043
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: the quarterback from Florida State. Listen, no, listen, no, let.

2044
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 2: Me explain it, did you, bo Nix? Is that where

2045
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 2: you're going with this.

2046
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 1: Sort of there's two There's two reasons I think Patriots

2047
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:53,759
Speaker 1: SPAN should watch him. One is bo Nicks slash Jayden Daniels.

2048
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: It's a copycat league. If Jayden Daniels has a big year,

2049
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,919
Speaker 1: everybody is going to be looking for that older transfer

2050
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: quarterback who's projected lower in the draft that suddenly pops

2051
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,440
Speaker 1: off the other guy that that relates somewhat to djungle

2052
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 1: a copycat league. Spencer Rattler dje Ungla has had a

2053
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 1: very similar career path. They're different quarterbacks. Dju. I'm gonna

2054
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: call him Dju because he's here to say, yeah, six five,

2055
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 1: two forty five, big, big arm. Spencer Rattler smaller and

2056
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 1: more mobile, but former top recruit went to a bad situation.

2057
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 2: Not just former like number one, number one recruit.

2058
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 1: When I say to mean topper, I think dj was

2059
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 1: number two by the time his class has ended, but

2060
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 1: he was number one.

2061
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 2: For a while because that that's the same class that

2062
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 2: Drake was in.

2063
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,759
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, went to Clemson, didn't work. Went to Oregon

2064
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: State last year, made some progrect. Clemson ruined the kid.

2065
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were trying to turn him into,

2066
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 1: but it wasn't right. Went to so probably something right.

2067
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 1: Went to Oregon State last year, made progress. Now he's

2068
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:54,799
Speaker 1: at a Florida State offense that I think really plays

2069
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 1: to his skill set. They got a ton of speed,

2070
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: They're gonna be throwing the ball all over the yard.

2071
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: He's got a big arm. He's not a runner, but

2072
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 1: he's effective when he gets to the outside. If he

2073
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,679
Speaker 1: has a good year, teams are gonna he is going.

2074
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 1: He's a guy that I could see becoming this year's

2075
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 1: jayde Daniels in that nobody thought this guy because he

2076
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: was in the wrong place, in the wrong time for

2077
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 1: a long time. If he has a good year, not

2078
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 1: a guarantee. The other reason Patriots fans so in that sense, sorry,

2079
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,759
Speaker 1: how that relates to the Patriots. Yes, let me finish

2080
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 1: the take. There are gonna be teams that need quarterbacks

2081
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 1: next year. The Raiders, the Giants, et cetera. They might

2082
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 1: need to move up with the Patriots. The more good

2083
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks the better, even though the Patriots aren't drafting one,

2084
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: because if they're in a position where you can draft

2085
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 1: Will Campbell and trade down, or you can draft Will

2086
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 1: Johnson and trade down or James Pearce and trade down,

2087
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: the more quarterbacks the better. So it's good for Patriots

2088
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 1: fans of tj O. Junglay is good. Let's say he's

2089
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: not good. I still think he's relevant to the Patriots.

2090
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. What is the Elliott wolf

2091
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 1: Packer way approach to drafting quarterbacks? Joe Milton, Well, I

2092
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: was gonna say every other year, if not every year, Right,

2093
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 1: that's so they're gonna draft. I would not be surprised

2094
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 1: if they draft a quarterback next year. It's gonna be later.

2095
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:05,799
Speaker 2: It would be Joe Milton.

2096
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: So I oo young. He doesn't. He's a little different

2097
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: than Joe Milton, but.

2098
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 2: He reminds me of a little of Joe Melton.

2099
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 1: Big quarterback, big.

2100
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 2: Arm, big quarterback, big arm, who can't read the field.

2101
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 1: Big quarterback, big arm who can't read. If they drafted

2102
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 1: Drake May, big quarterback, big arm, unless you want to

2103
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: say Drake May can't read the field.

2104
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that it's similar to Joe Milton. Yeah,

2105
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 2: so anyways, quite as raw toolsy as like Joe. He's

2106
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 2: got a bigger arm and all that.

2107
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 1: But Milton has a bigger arm, and I think ou

2108
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: Jung lays a little more developed than his mechanics. Maybe

2109
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 1: not reading the field, his mechanics are better. They're gonna.

2110
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised they draft a quarterback on

2111
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 1: Day three next year, and dj you is definitely the

2112
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback that they seem to target. Okay, so

2113
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:47,839
Speaker 1: Patrick Payton DJU.

2114
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 2: So I had the classes wrong, but I went down

2115
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 2: this rabbit hole and I wrote my story about Drake

2116
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 2: May after the draft. Drake May was twenty twenty one,

2117
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 2: DJU was twenty twenty. Yeah, but Drake May had an

2118
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:01,719
Speaker 2: offer from Clemson on the table that he turned down

2119
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 2: because DJU was going to Clemson. So the number one

2120
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 2: recruit in that class was Bryce Young. He originally Bryce

2121
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 2: Young committed to a USC. Yep, he's gonna play for

2122
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley at yesseh. He decommitted from USC and then

2123
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 2: flipped to Alabama obviously, So he goes to Alabama. Drake

2124
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 2: May in the twenty one class was committed to Alabama

2125
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 2: because he thought he was gonna be the guy after

2126
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 2: the you know Mac Jones. Yeah, correct, So he de

2127
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 2: commits from Alabama because Bryce's young committed to Alabama. DJU

2128
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 2: commits to Clemson, so he doesn't go to Clemson. Ye,

2129
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 2: because dj U's at Clemson.

2130
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 3: C J.

2131
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 2: Stroud goes to Ohio State. So Drake May doesn't go

2132
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 2: to Ohio State because c J. Stroud commits to Ohio State.

2133
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 2: So all these sort of like dominoes is like what

2134
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 2: led to Drake May eventually going to North Carolin.

2135
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: So as much of a college football fan as I am,

2136
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: I don't follow recruiting a ton. I'm like aware of

2137
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: the big players, but I don't track it. I don't

2138
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 1: really look beyond the senior class. It's you think, like

2139
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 1: the draft and free agency, and there's a lot of

2140
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: moving pieces there following recruiting, especially in the modern era,

2141
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: it's a roller coaster.

2142
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2143
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you know it was so number three in that

2144
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:16,600
Speaker 1: class was Brian Berzy, where I think a lot of

2145
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:18,799
Speaker 1: people know. First round pick number four was Julian Fleming.

2146
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see and we can get back

2147
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 1: to modern times after this. I one more draft thought

2148
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 1: for you.

2149
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 2: So, Julian Fleming draft question for you, I think so okay.

2150
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: For all of the stars that have come through Ohio

2151
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 1: State at wide receiver, do you know who the highest

2152
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 1: ranked recruit was going back to I mean, I think

2153
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 1: we're going back to like Paris Campbell here. Ye, the

2154
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: highest ranked recruit was a guy named Julian Fleming. He

2155
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 1: was the fourth rank recruit in that class. Bryce Young, Dju,

2156
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,800
Speaker 1: Brian Berzee, Julian Fleming. He is the one guy they

2157
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out. He was there for four years. He

2158
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: was fine, he was never great. He kept getting passed

2159
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 1: over by these other guys, and now he's at pet

2160
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: Penn State for a grad year. Yeah, so he's gonna

2161
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: come in the draft and there's going to be a

2162
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 1: lot of people that say Julian Fleming red flag. He's

2163
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: the one receiver Ohio State couldn't figure out. I don't

2164
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 1: know why they couldn't figure him out and neverb watching

2165
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:09,679
Speaker 1: that closely because again, he couldn't really get on the field.

2166
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 1: Can't tell me you're not interested by the one receiver

2167
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: that Ohio State couldn't crack, and he's like their highest

2168
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 1: ranked recruit at the position.

2169
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 2: That doesn't bow well, Brian Hartline couldn't.

2170
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:23,679
Speaker 1: Like I'm curious, and it's not that he was bad.

2171
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 1: He just kept getting passed by all these other guys

2172
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of curious why.

2173
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm actually and the answer this question, I know this

2174
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,439
Speaker 2: is not your wasn't your point, but the answer to

2175
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 2: this question is probably that Ohio State played pays Brian

2176
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 2: Hartline like a gajillion dollars to stay there. I am

2177
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:41,360
Speaker 2: so shocked that an NFL team hasn't offered Brian Hartline

2178
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 2: just eight hours.

2179
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 1: I say this all the time, Truck, like how have

2180
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: you not?

2181
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 2: And I get that some of it is like chicken

2182
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 2: with the egg because they recruit so well. So like

2183
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 2: you could say that Marvin Harrison Junior was going to

2184
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 2: be good no matter where he went, well.

2185
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 1: He was like he was not as highly ranked crew.

2186
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 2: And it's also just not Marv, Like it's it's Marv,

2187
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 2: it's McLaurin, it's JSN. It's like the list goes on

2188
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 2: and on and on of recent Ohio State. You know,

2189
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:08,719
Speaker 2: Wilson a lave like all these guys are just studs.

2190
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 2: And Brian Hardline is the coach like he's the one,

2191
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 2: he's the whisperer, he's the wide receiver guy. So I

2192
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 2: can't believe that an NFL team hasn't just thrown I

2193
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 2: throw ten million at that guy to coach.

2194
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Remember the name, and I already forgot his name, Julian Fleming.

2195
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think when we get there?

2196
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 2: All right, a couple of there's one draft question, but

2197
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,559
Speaker 2: also there's a bunch of questions actually believed or not

2198
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 2: about cold Strange. So there's been some reporting about I

2199
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 2: guess Garredy might have had a little nugget about cold

2200
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 2: Strange and his timetable and timeline. So the number one

2201
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 2: question I guess is, uh, are you expecting anything from

2202
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 2: cold Strange? But a secondary question to that, someone actually

2203
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,680
Speaker 2: asked if we feel that cold Strange could be a

2204
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 2: center when he comes back? And I have a little

2205
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 2: bit of a theory about this, but do you think

2206
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 2: that Cole Strange is Are you expecting Cole Strange to

2207
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 2: contribute at all this year?

2208
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 1: It's tough to say because their guard play has been

2209
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 1: good and they clearly don't want to mess with that

2210
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: interior if it's working. I don't know that there's a

2211
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:08,280
Speaker 1: job for him when he comes back.

2212
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

2213
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: Maybe they rotate him in and maybe they like he

2214
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 1: takes some snat like twenty or thirty percent of the

2215
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: snaps a game from city so or just to keep

2216
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 1: him fresh, right, keep him healthy. Yeah, but I don't

2217
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,240
Speaker 1: think there's a full time job waiting for col Strange

2218
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 1: when he gets back.

2219
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one.

2220
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 1: I do think he can play center. Maybe the job

2221
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:29,679
Speaker 1: is backup center.

2222
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so to the center point. I feel this way

2223
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,599
Speaker 2: about center, and he would be a really small tackle.

2224
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 2: But he just meets the length threshold for tackle. But

2225
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,879
Speaker 2: just hear me out for a second. So, the biggest

2226
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 2: problem that I see with Cole Strange when I watch

2227
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 2: him is that he is too small to play on

2228
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:52,600
Speaker 2: the interior at guard. He just gets bodied. He he

2229
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 2: is not powerful enough to play at that spot. Now,

2230
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:58,800
Speaker 2: the counter to that could be, well, if he's in

2231
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 2: an outside zone scheme instead of a downhill scheme, maybe

2232
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 2: that translates a little bit better. I'll allow for that.

2233
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 2: I'll give that possibility to him. But what I see

2234
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,839
Speaker 2: most of the time with Cold Strange against NFL caliber,

2235
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 2: like starting caliber defensive tackles is I can't get the

2236
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 2: images of like DeForest Buckner and Quinn Williams just manhandling

2237
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 2: him in pass protection. That that's the concern with me

2238
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:23,720
Speaker 2: with Cold Strange. So what do you do if he's

2239
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 2: not burly enough to play guard? Center is an option

2240
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 2: because center usually you're uncovered most of the time, or

2241
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 2: you have it. It's a different role, different position. Center

2242
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 2: is also really important in this system because center sets

2243
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:40,599
Speaker 2: the pace of the line in the run game, yeah,

2244
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 2: and in the and outside zone scheme. So if he's

2245
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 2: the best athlete that they have probably at the position,

2246
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 2: then he can be somebody that could get out and

2247
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 2: reach and you know, hit the second level and all

2248
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 2: those kinds of stuff. I'm intrigued by. Center tackle is

2249
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 2: probably loftier, probably less likely, but just wouldn't you just

2250
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:06,680
Speaker 2: from a body type standpoint, Just think about it from

2251
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 2: a body type standpoint, Cole Strange going up against two

2252
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pound edge rushers instead of Cold Strange

2253
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,879
Speaker 2: going up against three hundred and twenty pound nose tackles

2254
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 2: just feels like a better matchup to me. For him, right,

2255
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 2: So I think it's lofty. The technique's different. It's you're

2256
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 2: playing in space. It's probably too much of a transition.

2257
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 2: Center is probably more realistic. But if I'm the Patriots,

2258
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm starting to think about how do I get Cole

2259
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:33,600
Speaker 2: Strange away from Quentin Williams.

2260
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 1: But you also have a guy that's coming off a

2261
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: very significant knee injury, and now you're asking him to

2262
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 1: be very mobile. Yep, and that's a tough ask.

2263
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 2: It is a tough ask. There's no doubt about that.

2264
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 2: All right, Paul is asking about the Landon Robinson pick.

2265
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, speaking of there's a theory in

2266
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 1: the chat that it was Paul Perrillo who didn't like

2267
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, not you.

2268
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 2: So I won't I don't want to pick on Paul

2269
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 2: too much because he's not here. I'd rather pick on

2270
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 2: him to his face. But but Paul, Paul doesn't have

2271
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 2: time for the Day three of the draft, like he

2272
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 2: all those guys who Day three of the draft, unless

2273
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,800
Speaker 2: there's a guy like I like like Pop Douglas, or.

2274
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 1: You get annoyed with me after the top one hundred.

2275
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 2: I don't do as much studying of the film after

2276
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:18,640
Speaker 2: the top one hundred, I usually try to do like

2277
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 2: the top one twenty five, just so that I know,

2278
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 2: I know everybody that gets drafted in the top one hundred, right,

2279
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 2: Like that's that's big to me. Uh but yeah, usually

2280
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 2: by the end of the fourth round is when my

2281
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 2: film study stuff, and then I just have notes from

2282
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 2: other people, you know, the beast, you know whatever. But yeah,

2283
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 2: Paul is not everybody on day three to the draft.

2284
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 2: To Paul is a lottery ticket, which is I mean,

2285
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 2: he's not wrong, it's pretty fair. Yeah. To us, it's like,

2286
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 2: you know, we talk about Red Sox prospects, and I

2287
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 2: always like joke about Marcella Meyer being a bust and

2288
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 2: thing and things like that. Like to us, it's like that,

2289
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:53,760
Speaker 2: you know, it's like Tyler Milliken getting all jazzed up

2290
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,639
Speaker 2: about you know, Roman Anthony, right, you know, like that's

2291
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 2: day three of the draft to us. But to Paul,

2292
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:03,479
Speaker 2: day three the draft is there's a ten percent chance

2293
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 2: this guy actually turns into an NFL player, So why

2294
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,040
Speaker 2: would I waste my time? Right like that that's.

2295
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 1: The Roman Anthony, not a six round pick kind of player. Okay, anyway, Still,

2296
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 1: the miners.

2297
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 2: Uh that that just kind of.

2298
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: Uh so, Yeah, Luther Burden sucks. He's still in college,

2299
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: he's not in the NFL yet. I mean, it's essentially

2300
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:24,759
Speaker 1: what you're.

2301
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 2: Saying, we don't know about Luther Burdon yet. He might suck.

2302
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 2: So here's the draft question I wanted to ask you,

2303
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,200
Speaker 2: and it's more draft philosophy than it is about prospects.

2304
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:38,599
Speaker 2: But the question is we all know that left tackle

2305
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 2: is going to be a big need. Receiver is still out.

2306
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 2: There is need a big fish at receiver. But is

2307
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:49,280
Speaker 2: there a chance that pass rusher outside edge rusher like

2308
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,440
Speaker 2: I like to call him, you call him outside linebackers

2309
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 2: if that replacing Matthew judah on To simplify it even

2310
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 2: more for people, is there a world where that ends

2311
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 2: up actually being their biggest draft need? Like, can we

2312
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 2: get to the point where they signed T Higgins. I'm

2313
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 2: just going to dream and buy in the sky here

2314
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 2: they signed T Higgins, Maybe they sign like a serviceable

2315
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 2: veteran left tackle or something like that, and outside linebacker

2316
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:14,920
Speaker 2: pass rushers ends up being the top need in the.

2317
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's their third biggest need, so definitely,

2318
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:19,639
Speaker 1: I would say corner could sneak in there.

2319
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 3: Too.

2320
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 1: Yep, I wouldn't roll that out. Yeah, yeah, no, it

2321
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: could absolutely happen. I just don't think they're gonna find

2322
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 1: that tackle, and I receiver they can, they can remove

2323
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:31,200
Speaker 1: from the needs relatively easel. And when I say that,

2324
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean give up the second round pick, give up

2325
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:38,759
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars, right, get Seed Lamb, get dk Metcalf.

2326
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 1: People know how I feel about that. Yeah, you're not

2327
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 1: getting that equivalent tackle, and I just I don't. I

2328
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:46,600
Speaker 1: don't think another bridge left tackle is the answer. We

2329
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 1: talked about this last week. How long down the road,

2330
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 1: Trent Brown, you gotta answer that question. This is kind

2331
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:54,680
Speaker 1: of what I said about quarterbacks and last draft. And

2332
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 1: there are gonna be people who say, well, there's these receivers,

2333
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 1: blah blah. It's like, this is a position that's hard

2334
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 1: to get. You have a chance to get eleaite prospect

2335
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 1: at it.

2336
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 2: Do it?

2337
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, do it that simple, do it. And so I

2338
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 1: still think it's Will Campbell and Calvin Banks. I did

2339
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: a little more deep digging on that yesterday. By the way,

2340
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 1: might be closer between the two, and I thought, and

2341
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean that as a positive for Calvin Banks, not

2342
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 1: negative for Will Campbell.

2343
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure about that, but it's not because

2344
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:23,760
Speaker 2: I don't like Calvin Banks. So Calvin Banks, I watch

2345
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 2: a lot of him because who's the other tackle at Texas?

2346
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: Oh, it was something Jones got drafted this past year. Yeah,

2347
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 1: I remember. It's crazy how we obsessed about these names

2348
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:35,519
Speaker 1: for like four months and they just fall out of

2349
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 1: our brains. Christian Jones, Christian Jones, Christian Jones, Worthy, Ada Mitt, Yeah,

2350
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 1: a lot of Texas.

2351
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 2: I was just watching that offense all all spring long.

2352
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 2: So I did watch a little bit of Calvin Banks,

2353
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:49,759
Speaker 2: like out of the corner of my eye. He's a stud.

2354
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 2: He's a stud. He's really good. I would put him

2355
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:55,280
Speaker 2: in like the alpha Shanu Tier. Yeah, I think there's

2356
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,639
Speaker 2: a chance that Will Campbell's like s Tier special.

2357
01:50:57,720 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 1: See, I would go. And here's the thing with these two.

2358
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,759
Speaker 1: And I realized this about this draft yesterday. I don't

2359
01:51:03,080 --> 01:51:04,599
Speaker 1: I have a slight take on it. I can give

2360
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:06,719
Speaker 1: you if you want, But the top of this draft

2361
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:13,839
Speaker 1: is all true juniors. Campbell, Banks, McMillan, Burden, Pierce, and Johnson.

2362
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:15,880
Speaker 1: Those are the seven guys we can even throw in

2363
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 1: Deon Walker from Kentucky. Those are the guys we're realistically

2364
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 1: going to talk about for the Patriots. Every single one

2365
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,679
Speaker 1: of those guys is a true junior. I don't necessarily

2366
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: like it's good you're getting younger players, there's more runway.

2367
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:31,280
Speaker 1: The only take I really have on it is, whichever

2368
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 1: guy you want the Patriots draft the most Campbell burden,

2369
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 1: whoever you want to root for that team to win

2370
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 1: the national championship, because the last thing we need is

2371
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 1: Will Campbell going back for some unfinished business in a

2372
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 1: big nil bag. Oh god, right now. But they're so young,

2373
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:47,519
Speaker 1: so there's still a long way to go, and I

2374
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 1: think Alt had a little more experience at this now.

2375
01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 1: By the time Campbell gets to the draft, he'll be

2376
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:54,160
Speaker 1: even with allt. But there's still a whole year to

2377
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 1: play out. We have to see what happens as it

2378
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:58,000
Speaker 1: stands right now. And I'm not saying Campbell can't catch

2379
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 1: All as it stands right now for me, from the

2380
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:05,719
Speaker 1: last two drafts, Campbell, Alt, Campbell Banks for Shanhu. Yeah,

2381
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 1: that's how i'd rank him. That's that's fair. But that

2382
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 1: that I think you're projecting a little more going into

2383
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 1: the season. I'm saying, if Will Campbell came to the

2384
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 1: draft today without having played his junior season. That's right happening.

2385
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:18,360
Speaker 2: So the reason why I have Will Campbell maybe a

2386
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 2: little bit ahead of Joe Alt, Yeah, is that the

2387
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 2: one you know, I love Joe Alt, But the one

2388
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 2: knock that I had that you'd have on Joe Alt

2389
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 2: is that he's not He's not overly mean, Like he's

2390
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:31,639
Speaker 2: not a nasty finisher. He's more of a dancing bear

2391
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:34,759
Speaker 2: than he is, like a physical guy. Will Campbell's nasty,

2392
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 2: Like Will Campbell finishes like he puts dudes in the

2393
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:41,320
Speaker 2: ground while also having the footwork and the agility and

2394
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:43,799
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff to dance on an island

2395
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:46,519
Speaker 2: right with pass rushers. So he's got a little bit

2396
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 2: more snarl or nastiness to his game than Joe All.

2397
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:52,760
Speaker 2: Joe Alt is uh. I think a great comparison is

2398
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 2: he's a little bit bigger and like more prototypical, but like, uh,

2399
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 2: remember like Jake Matthews with the Falcons, like that, That's

2400
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:02,719
Speaker 2: who I think of with Joel, whereas with Will Campbell,

2401
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:05,040
Speaker 2: he has a lot of those same traits but with

2402
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 2: like a little bit more.

2403
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:09,600
Speaker 1: Nasty, like a Taylor Lawan kind of Yeah, it's a

2404
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 1: good comp Yeah, Yeah, that's who I see a little bit.

2405
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's mean, like he's gonna he's gonna finish

2406
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 2: blocks and things like that.

2407
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 1: Banks too. Banks has a nasty streak to him too.

2408
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 2: That's that's what I love.

2409
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna have We're gonna have fun. We're gonna have

2410
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot of fun with it. I just and I understand.

2411
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 2: And you know, on PU you can throw it at

2412
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 2: Paul He's not even here doing this to his face.

2413
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 2: But you know, the offensive line talks sometimes. Yeah, I

2414
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 2: see some glossy eyes and you know, so people checking

2415
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 2: their phones and you know, stuff like that. There is

2416
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 2: nothing more reassuring to me for Drake May's long term

2417
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:49,760
Speaker 2: development than drafting a stud left tackle and just knowing

2418
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 2: his blind side is protected for the next ten years.

2419
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 2: Like that, to me, it would just be so like

2420
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:56,080
Speaker 2: I'd breathe such a sire relief. Would I be as

2421
01:53:56,120 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 2: excited as if they got a number one receiver right

2422
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 2: like if it was if there was I don't know

2423
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:04,280
Speaker 2: if Luther Burdens in this category, but if there was

2424
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 2: a Marvin Harrison junior in this draft and they drafted

2425
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 2: that guy instead, would I be more excited, probably just

2426
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:14,240
Speaker 2: because it's a receiver and it's this straight. Sure, but

2427
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 2: it's just the shiny toy versus like the socks on Christmas. Right,

2428
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 2: But will Campbell just or Kelvin Banks being the blindside

2429
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 2: protector for Drake May and finally filling that that need

2430
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 2: after years of kicking the can down the road, I

2431
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 2: would be I have a huge smile on my face.

2432
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,360
Speaker 2: I'd be like, Yes, we got a left tackle. This

2433
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:41,360
Speaker 2: is great, this is what we've all wanted. It'd be great.

2434
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:44,880
Speaker 2: So I'm all aboard left tackle, but I could see

2435
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 2: pass rusher if they somehow find a way to get

2436
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 2: a left tackle in the veteran market, which just seems unlikely.

2437
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 2: But if they do so, I'd be.

2438
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 1: The projected top guy. Right Now's a guy named James

2439
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 1: Pearce from Tennessee. He so unlike some of the other

2440
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:02,000
Speaker 1: guys who are true junior who so Campbell and Banks

2441
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 1: and Burden and McMillan actually all started as true freshmen.

2442
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 1: They all had Burden started like halfway through his freshman year,

2443
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: but they essentially all have one and a half to

2444
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:17,160
Speaker 1: two years of experience. Pierce only started last year. He didn't.

2445
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 1: He played thirteen games a true freshman, but it's mostly

2446
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 1: on special teams or like latent games. So his first

2447
01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 1: year is good yet I think forty one no. Fifty

2448
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:29,320
Speaker 1: six pressures and fourteen in ten sacks and thirteen games.

2449
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 1: But it's just one year. And the thing about Pierce

2450
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 1: really good pass rusher, really doesn't give you anything against

2451
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 1: the run. Yeah, and are they would they be willing

2452
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 1: to take a guy and we'll see what he does.

2453
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:43,120
Speaker 1: He has more variants. He could end up not being

2454
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 1: the top pass rusher. Is a guy named Abdul Carter

2455
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 1: at Penn State who's gonna get some attention to. But

2456
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: Pierce is the highest ceiling. Do they would they take

2457
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:54,920
Speaker 1: a guy like Pierce who projects be an elite pass

2458
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:56,520
Speaker 1: rusher if he can't play against the run?

2459
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 2: So is he like a like a Brian Burns type.

2460
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:01,280
Speaker 1: He's not quite that like powerful.

2461
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:03,840
Speaker 2: That's how I think of when you tell the birds.

2462
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 1: Is like big and powerful pierces. I mean, he's got

2463
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:08,120
Speaker 1: good size, but he's not He's more of a finesse rusher.

2464
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:10,080
Speaker 2: All right, let's take this last call and then we

2465
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:12,840
Speaker 2: got to wrap it up. Connor is in Florida. What's up, Connor.

2466
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 3: Hey, So I just had a question for you guys, now,

2467
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 3: just one of your thoughts on this. So back in

2468
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 3: like twenty two, we had like a pretty good interior

2469
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:28,120
Speaker 3: line with like Mason, we had a whnu Kris Andrews.

2470
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:31,120
Speaker 3: We had Andrews, and then we also had Tuney for

2471
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 3: a little bit before, you know, right before Mac Jones

2472
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 3: rook year. What do you think Bill's like logic was,

2473
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:40,320
Speaker 3: and just basically letting all them go, then forcing them

2474
01:56:40,360 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 3: to draft Cold Strange and then just the trickle down

2475
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 3: effect with that with you draft Strange that year when

2476
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 3: you could have probably gotten you know, if they decided

2477
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 3: to go Trent McDuffie with the original pick they had

2478
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 3: before trading it, then the next year when you picked Gonzalez,

2479
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 3: you could have picked a receiver. I just want to

2480
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 3: know your thoughts and what you thought Bill might have

2481
01:56:57,760 --> 01:56:58,600
Speaker 3: been thinking with that.

2482
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call. Look at we've been down

2483
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:06,160
Speaker 2: this road before. Yeah, it's to me the beginning of

2484
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:07,960
Speaker 2: the end for the offensive line, if you want to

2485
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 2: call it that. I was letting Joe Tony walk in

2486
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 2: free agency.

2487
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 1: Well, at the beginning of the end of the offensive

2488
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:13,959
Speaker 1: line is one scart left.

2489
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:17,400
Speaker 2: No because Caren Bissello had the line in good shit. Okay,

2490
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 2: So it started to me with the decision to let

2491
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 2: Joe Touni walk to the Kansas City Chiefs right like

2492
01:57:26,200 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 2: he was in a lot of ways, it's similar to

2493
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:32,560
Speaker 2: what they've done now where it was like, yeah, it's

2494
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 2: a lot of money for Mike on Winnu as a guard,

2495
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 2: but he's one of your best football players and right

2496
01:57:38,120 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 2: now you just don't have a whole lot of good

2497
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 2: football players on the roster. And they were kind of

2498
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 2: in that spot at the same time too with Joe

2499
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,560
Speaker 2: Toney and they let Joe Tony walk to Kansas City. Who,

2500
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 2: by the way, Joe Toney is like low key on

2501
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame trajectory. Yeah, first, he might be

2502
01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:55,240
Speaker 2: the best Garden football He's unreal. He's like an All Pro.

2503
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 2: He's won like seventeen Super Bowls at this point, Like

2504
01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 2: he's gonna be in the conversation for gold jacket if

2505
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 2: he keeps on thinking at.

2506
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 1: The end, I think he is, he's gonna get one.

2507
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a conversation.

2508
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 2: So Joe Toney then in the same off season twenty

2509
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 2: twenty one. It's a year later from Tony. They low

2510
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:14,240
Speaker 2: ball Ted Carrison free agency and they trade Shack Mason

2511
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:16,560
Speaker 2: like in within like a week of each other. Yeah,

2512
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 2: and they created this gigantic coal up guard. Now they

2513
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 2: have On. They had On Wenu, so they had one

2514
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:25,280
Speaker 2: guard spot. But like the caller said, that prompted the

2515
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:27,560
Speaker 2: domino effect of taking Cold Strange in the first round.

2516
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 2: What I Belichick was thinking to me was guards not

2517
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:38,760
Speaker 2: a premium position. I'm not gonna pay premium dollars for guards, Yeah,

2518
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:41,360
Speaker 2: because I feel like I have one and On already

2519
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 2: and I can just draft one for and get him

2520
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:46,320
Speaker 2: much cheaper than what I'm gonna have to pay Shack

2521
01:58:46,360 --> 01:58:49,400
Speaker 2: Mason or Joe Tuny or even Ted Carris, and we'll

2522
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 2: just draft and replace and everything will be just fine.

2523
01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

2524
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 2: The problem was they didn't draft well, right, they draft

2525
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 2: Cold Strange and it didn't work out the other thing

2526
01:58:57,560 --> 01:58:59,160
Speaker 2: that I think was really key with the offensive line,

2527
01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:01,600
Speaker 2: and then we got to wrap it up up. Car

2528
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:06,200
Speaker 2: and Bricella leaving with Josh McDaniels to Vegas. Yeah, Carnbrosella

2529
01:59:06,280 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 2: leaves after the twenty twenty one season. He goes to

2530
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 2: the Vegas Raiders with Josh McDaniels, and the Patriots replaced

2531
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 2: carm Barcello with Matt Patricia.

2532
01:59:15,120 --> 01:59:17,640
Speaker 1: Who is also dealing with being the offensive coordinator while

2533
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:18,960
Speaker 1: he's coaching the offense line.

2534
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:22,520
Speaker 2: And at that point what ended up happening is that

2535
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:24,480
Speaker 2: a lot of the young guys that they had in

2536
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:28,880
Speaker 2: the pipeline, including Cole Strange to the point he their

2537
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 2: development just got derailed because they weren't getting coached properly. Right,

2538
01:59:34,240 --> 01:59:36,840
Speaker 2: so they have that the whole Matt Patricia thing goes awry.

2539
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:40,680
Speaker 2: Then Adrian clem that whole thing was a disaster last year.

2540
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 2: So really, these linemen, and I think a lot of

2541
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:44,760
Speaker 2: these guys that have been on the Patriots are having

2542
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 2: this realization like, holy crap, we have Scott Piers actually

2543
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 2: has like a strike system and like has like rules

2544
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 2: for us.

2545
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:53,760
Speaker 1: Since Scott Peters is here, he's available.

2546
01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all of a sudden, it's like, wow, you know,

2547
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Speaker 2: we're getting coached and you're seeing that with you know,

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Speaker 2: improvements from guys you know rookies Leydon Robinson, kid and

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Speaker 2: Walls getting better. But Darien Lowe, I know, he's everybody's

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Speaker 2: like like lightning Rod right now, but he's gotten better,

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Speaker 2: you know, and and and that's what's happened with a

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Speaker 2: lot of these guys. So hopefully the coaching comes back

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Speaker 2: to earth and that solidifies a lot of things. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: that that that conversation has been on going. We've all

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Speaker 2: had that on every various platforms over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years. As a misstep from Belichick. All right, that's

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Speaker 2: gonna do it for this week's show. Uh, next week.

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Speaker 2: I believe we're gonna have to be on Thursday next week, Alex,

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Speaker 2: because the studio is not gonna be available on Wednesday

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Speaker 2: because of some technical stuff going.

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Speaker 1: Well that and that works because by then the roster

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Speaker 1: will be more set.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're gonna probably be back Thursday. Maybe ten

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Speaker 2: am Thursday, Marine, Nope, afternoon Thursday. Yeah, afternoon Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Honesty, Thursday might be like they might have practiced in

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Speaker 1: the morning and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so we'll figure it out. But we're

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Speaker 2: hoping that.

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Speaker 1: You guys actually might be in the morning on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll figure it out. We're hoping that we'll be

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Speaker 2: able to set a time, a permanent time for in

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Speaker 2: season show, our in season shows probably on Thursdays, but

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Speaker 2: we'll see We'll let you guys know. But just before

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