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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot Ill, a production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen, Jill Scott presents Jay dot Ill with

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Speaker 1: my sister friends Age and I'm Jill Scott. Hold on, y'all,

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Speaker 1: I think that's somebody calling. That must mean it's time

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Speaker 1: for what's on your heart? Okay, So we're sitting here

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Speaker 1: with my mona you sef. I'm looking at it, my

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Speaker 1: moona you sef, my moona you sef. I've been saying

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Speaker 1: it wrong for years, my motor. Sorry, sorry, I'm just

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Speaker 1: I can't participate in this joke because people jack my

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Speaker 1: name up so much that Joe refused. I refuse. I

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Speaker 1: refused to participate in this laughter. No, I'm just rejected.

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Speaker 1: Is easy. Come on, man, listen. People people call me

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Speaker 1: Gil okay, yes they do, know they will. I promise you.

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Speaker 1: I promise you as as I got two feet. Some

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Speaker 1: people call me Gil. I promise you because my father

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Speaker 1: is Gil Scott. You know that, right right? I heard that.

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Speaker 1: I heard that. Before I heard that, I did. I

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Speaker 1: heard that. When the first that came out, people were

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Speaker 1: saying that a lot. They said he was gonna redo

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Speaker 1: the bo Yeah. Look, I'm sitting here I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: everything there is to say about my mona you saf

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, do we do this before

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Speaker 1: what's on your heart? Or normally that's how it happens. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So that's what we'll do. Okay, droll drop it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, we are here with my Mona you Seth,

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Speaker 1: also known to some as MoU Fresh moo Fresh, is

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Speaker 1: a critically acclaimed Afro Indigenous singer MC okay, MC songwriter, activist,

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Speaker 1: workshop facilitator, and audio engineer who's been called a quadruple

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Speaker 1: threat by Black Thought from the Roof and groundbreaking OSCAR

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Speaker 1: winning artists by Common. But I'm gonna just tell you

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Speaker 1: like this. I'm gonna tell you like this. When it

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Speaker 1: comes to Sanganka, Momo is not a game to be

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Speaker 1: played with. When it comes to m see and listen,

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Speaker 1: you want somebody that can tell you as a story

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Speaker 1: and paint you a picture. See you can smell the fruit,

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Speaker 1: you can you can taste the sunshine on your lips. Okay,

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Speaker 1: why right, we're talking about MoMu Fresh. This is a

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Speaker 1: Momo fresh everybody, And the question is this what's in

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Speaker 1: your heart? Thank you? Thank you for the introduction. You

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Speaker 1: better be introduced. Oh man, welcome. First of all, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here with you all. You know,

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Speaker 1: I have so much respect for all of you all.

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Speaker 1: Whenever I see you anywhere out in the streets, you know,

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Speaker 1: at a concert or wherever we are, it's just my

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Speaker 1: heart talking lot. Yeah, my heart lights up, you know,

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Speaker 1: because I see myself in all of you. You know,

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Speaker 1: the journeys that you all taken. I've listened to you

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Speaker 1: all through my own you know, things I've gone through

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Speaker 1: in my own life. And um, I've been uplifted by

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Speaker 1: your lyrics, by your voices, and just the support that

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Speaker 1: you all have shown to me all these years. I

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Speaker 1: never have to take that for granted, like it's a

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Speaker 1: big deal to me, for real, Like it I get

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Speaker 1: all emo about it. But what's on my heart? You know,

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Speaker 1: if I could just be can ton't speak honestly. I

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Speaker 1: just came back from a retreat, like a spiritual healing retreat,

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Speaker 1: and uh, we spent so much time. They're talking about

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Speaker 1: embracing my expansiveness and not shying away from it and

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Speaker 1: kind of unlearning all of the things I've been taught

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Speaker 1: by the music industry. All of the things I've been

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Speaker 1: taught by patriarchy, Like if you just are in this

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Speaker 1: business long enough, you're gonna take some abuse and some

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Speaker 1: lashings that you're gonna deal with, you know, and really

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Speaker 1: redefining your own value and your own worth and not

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Speaker 1: having your value be defined by someone else's inability to

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Speaker 1: value you. I spent three days out in the woods,

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Speaker 1: just sleeping out in the woods, laying on mother mother Earth.

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Speaker 1: You know, Um, really just reconnecting with my center, like

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Speaker 1: with who I was when I was four years old,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that kind of joy

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Speaker 1: and optimism for no reason at all. You didn't need

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Speaker 1: a reason to like have a good day, you know,

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Speaker 1: every every day it was just a good day because

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Speaker 1: you woke up and it was fun and you're curious

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Speaker 1: you know. So, Um, I'm I'm feeling good about the reclamation,

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Speaker 1: reclaiming my own narrative, my own story, my own joy,

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Speaker 1: my optimism, my childlike wonder about just redefining what this

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Speaker 1: next leg of my journey is gonna look like for me.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that, um, you know, when you trail blaze.

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Speaker 1: be courageous and just because you haven't seen something done

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Speaker 1: like maybe you are the one to do it, maybe

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Speaker 1: set the precedent. And I feel like so many times

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Speaker 1: And I was just always thinking, like how would you know?

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Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about something that doesn't exist yet,

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Speaker 1: and you know, like there are lots of things that

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Speaker 1: before they existed, people thought it was like craziness and

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Speaker 1: now it's commonplace. And so yeah, I spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time talking with the healers that was there at

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Speaker 1: the retreat about about that really really embracing it like

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Speaker 1: I had to had to have a whole journal of

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Speaker 1: all the people I had to forgive. My forgiveness journal

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Speaker 1: me forgive them because I said, I'm grateful that you

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Speaker 1: you played a part in my learning. So that I

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Speaker 1: could be here standing in this moment stronger and um wiser,

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Speaker 1: like more whole, like unbreakable, like I know what I

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Speaker 1: made of Yeah, and just you know, I left the

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Speaker 1: retreat yeah today and I just I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: just a feeling I had of like it's just a

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Speaker 1: strength that I and it just feels you know. It

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Speaker 1: That's what's in my heart. I'm ready to walk with

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Speaker 1: more audacity than I had before. I love that word.

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Speaker 1: I love, I love I love audacity to be bold

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Speaker 1: and courageous enough to do with the fun you dude,

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Speaker 1: I love you. Audacious movemo like I'm looking what is that? Yes? Inspired,

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Speaker 1: inspired and motivated? Yes, yeah, the audacity I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: if it's it was. It was so transformative and not

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Speaker 1: It was like a reminder of who I already am,

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Speaker 1: you know, and not not waiting for permission to be

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Speaker 1: like all of you, not like you know, because people

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Speaker 1: like parts of you, like hey, this piece is palatable,

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Speaker 1: We'll just take that piece. Those other pieces might be

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Speaker 1: Expansiveness takes all of those pieces and it's like this

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Speaker 1: to be holistic all of this. It don't work with

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Speaker 1: um to to talk me into smallness, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I hate, to really talk me into this little, this

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Speaker 1: it's like, you can't not offend a person that's insecure,

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Speaker 1: Like no matter what you do, it ain't even it

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna be offensive to a person that's insecure

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Speaker 1: and don't really want to stand in the God flow.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to look at the God flow. That's happening,

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Speaker 1: you know, and so but I had to take responsibility

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Speaker 1: You know. Damn that's what ma'am. Thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Today, thank you. We're gonna take a quick

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Speaker 1: break and then it we'll be right back. When you

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Speaker 1: right there for me because when you said that, we

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Speaker 1: do tend to live in these pieces. You don't see

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Speaker 1: ourselves as whole people. And so we decide which lane

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Speaker 1: the other parts of ourselves. And we do not have

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Speaker 1: a holistic existence, that touched me. I'm gonna walk away.

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Speaker 1: I think, I'm I'm I put that one in my

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Speaker 1: bra today. I talked it. Yeah, I talked at that

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Speaker 1: times somebody calling somebody a hole. You know what I mean? Hey, hold,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Hohle w h o l E hole? Okay, Hey, hold,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you, I just got hit by

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Speaker 1: what you said about the piece of you when you

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Speaker 1: just say people can only digect certain pieces of you

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Speaker 1: and then you end up apologize. I literally just had

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Speaker 1: I said I'm sorry, y'all. And my friend said to

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Speaker 1: just we we've all done it, apologize or trying to

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Speaker 1: the all. Well, this is it's a new season. Why

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Speaker 1: why are we this way? Why? Why? What I mean, listen, listen.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't actually going to say it. I wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to say it, but what I met give me a

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Speaker 1: we felt this. We're all very different women, We've all

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Speaker 1: had very different experiences in life, yet this is the

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Speaker 1: quiet up, We've all been told that that's right. Maybe

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Speaker 1: like we've only told these things just so I oblige, Jill,

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Speaker 1: Why is it that we feel this way, ladies? White supremacy? Supremacy?

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Speaker 1: This is why? Why supremacy? Well, we're talking about here

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Speaker 1: is something that's very apparent. You know, we're dealing and

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Speaker 1: looking at a woman who is multi talented, she's very

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Speaker 1: layered as a human being, she's well educated, and on

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Speaker 1: many levels, she's Indigenous. With my saying this American Indian,

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Speaker 1: is that fair? And my saying it correctly Choctaw, she's

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Speaker 1: herself and her people. And it's such a beautiful woman.

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Speaker 1: Like when you see MoMu Fresh, You're like, wow, look

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Speaker 1: at that. You know what I like? Is that? Right? Her?

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Speaker 1: Is all of these things and the idea that someone

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Speaker 1: all of all of the confines um that people are

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Speaker 1: putting on you? How are you moving through this to

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Speaker 1: create work to create music that you were proud of

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Speaker 1: to create. They're exciting to you as an artist and

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Speaker 1: as a whole person. How you doing this, mommy? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it really was a decision that I had

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Speaker 1: there's but there's you know, there's also so many ways

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Speaker 1: to you know, the phrase gett a cat. You know,

424
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: I always say to vocalists or artists in general, like, look,

425
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: you know there is a Nina Simona, and there's a

426
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: Diana Ross, you know what I mean? Like there is

427
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: a Yasine Bay, and there's a Drake, there's a there's

428
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: a title of the Creator in between. There's there's a

429
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different kinds of ways to establish and

430
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: to take care of yourself and to share your heart

431
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: and soul with with other people. It doesn't always have

432
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: to fit into a particular box to do it. You

433
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: just have to figure out one that you don't fit

434
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: into a box, and two that you're willing, willing, able,

435
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: and capable of making a sustainable life for yourself. It

436
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: is possible. It can be done. I see it all

437
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Speaker 1: the time. Oh girl, I'm I'm here. Oh I'm here.

438
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm fully present in the moment. I think that, you know,

439
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: she was just like, there's there's a ya, there's all

440
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: kinds of different ways to do this thing. But I

441
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: think really what I'm taking from this moment with Mono

442
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: is just that you know, the self is you got

443
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: to carry the self everywhere you go, and that this business,

444
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: this business is built on a very sordid and twisted

445
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: view of the self, you know, whether it be whether

446
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: it be positive or it be negative. It's like it

447
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: just thrives on a on on this crookedness of the

448
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: way that you would see your off through whatever filter

449
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: that they decide to give you, whether it's a romanticized

450
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: one or demonized one. And so if you're not already

451
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: dealing with that enough in the world as a black

452
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: woman just period walking the street, and then you enter

453
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: an industry that thrives on it, and so to push

454
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: back on it has to be intentional, and then maybe

455
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: it's intentional in ways that you not really ready to

456
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: say you're doing. Like so people it's working for, they

457
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: may be doing some of these things that MoU is doing,

458
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: but they may not have the words for that, you

459
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I think it's really important

460
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: that she's putting words in language to it, because what

461
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: it means is that that that that thriving under these

462
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: circumstances means that you have to be intentionally and consistently

463
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: pushing back. And if you're not pushing back, then you

464
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: are in essence feeding the beast and and and not

465
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: in a way that's just about other people, primarily for yourself.

466
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Speaker 1: And that to me is to me, I am absolutely

467
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: in alignment and feeling exactly where she's coming from, because

468
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: these are the things I sit with all of the

469
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: DA's with all the time, and that I'm that I've

470
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: had to figure out and it's still in the process

471
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: of figuring out. And this is what I love also

472
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: to about this space is that it does not mean

473
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: that you can never figure it out, that you can

474
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: never this is like an ongoing process, and that really

475
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: you have to have a certain amount of of experience

476
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: to even begin to think about it this way, so

477
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: to even know what you don't want to have to

478
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: have things to look back on and reflect, you know.

479
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: And it hurts my feelings that someone thought that they

480
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: were telling you that by telling you that you must

481
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: accept violation, you know what I mean and that. But

482
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: but even though it hurts me, it doesn't surprise me

483
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: because we've all heard the same version. Well we've heard

484
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: the same version up above the story, and at least

485
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: you got more, at least you got warned about it.

486
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: But it's interesting to me because you know, as we

487
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: dive into so many different ways that we've been programmed

488
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: on this show, like move for real, this is we

489
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: on some deep two. But also remembering that, and I

490
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: feel very asia and saying is that when it comes

491
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: to the music industry, it was built on this white

492
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: man's model, and it seems like it's continuously still in

493
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: that box. Even when a black person becomes the heavy

494
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: cast label or creates this error or whatever, it's still

495
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: within this white It's nobody's trying to change the whole thing.

496
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: They're just trying to excel within it. I really hate

497
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: that because it happened to you. Then you perpetuated with

498
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: the next you know, with the next artist. I I

499
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: can't bear that. That that bothers me so because you've

500
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: been done dirty and somebody took your masters or you know,

501
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: they they had you on a two year promo tour.

502
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: You know that you signed up for, you know, and

503
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: not making any money while they're collecting best believe that.

504
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: You know that you go around, you advance yourself, and

505
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: then you do the exact same thing to another artist, Like, oh,

506
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: that drives me absolutely insane. And that same model. That's

507
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you still you still playing in white

508
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: Man games. That's what I'm saying. It is because we

509
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: lacked the vision to really see it be a different way.

510
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: You know. The one thing I love about I recently

511
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: did this thing about abolitionism, right and about reimagining, Like

512
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I love the idea of reimagining a thing that you've

513
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: never seen be away and you know, because that's what

514
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: I feel like we lose. That's why I started with

515
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: the childhood wonder when we could just imagine, when we

516
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: didn't know what the rules were nobody told us well

517
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: this is standard, right, you don't know what standards, so

518
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: you get to just imagine it the way you want

519
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: and then do it just like that, you know. And

520
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: that's what I feel like the place that I'm at now,

521
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: even with the music video content that we're creating, we're

522
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: create like many movies and and I'm definitely like an

523
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: anthropologist in my my heart, like I'm getting to do

524
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: everything I've always wanted to do without anyone saying, like,

525
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, black people don't want to think that hard,

526
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: which is something I've heard many times. Uh, And and

527
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: really creating this art from this imaginative place that hasn't

528
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: been done before, and it's it hasn't been um there

529
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: are no stipulations around there, there's no boundaries around. I

530
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: don't have a time frame, I don't have a you know.

531
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: And it feels like childhood again. It feels like joy.

532
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: And that's what I was searching for in the moment

533
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: when I wasn't feeling joy. Remember when an album was

534
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: worked for a year, could be two, could be three,

535
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because art, it doesn't true,

536
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: art doesn't necessarily jump on people. It's gracious, it opened

537
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: yourself as has wide open arms. I love that you

538
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: use the word imagination, because you know, the word of

539
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: the day is radical imagination. Is that we're all giving

540
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: ourselves an opportunity to think, to think outside of the

541
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: box in a way that says that the box doesn't

542
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: even exist. So I'm not even thinking outside of the

543
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: box by I'm not even acknowledging the box in order

544
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: to think outside of it. I'm creating from from the gut,

545
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: from the Mud, and that I'm not I've had this

546
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: conversation with my children, as my children have experienced obviously

547
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: this year, this uptick and so much conversation around race

548
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: and politics and things of that nature. And they're young,

549
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: and they're on social media, so they always responding. And

550
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: I said to them, and so they might respond with anger,

551
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: or they might decide to be in the comments and

552
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: shut down a racist or this, that and the other.

553
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: And I told the kids, I said, you know, let's

554
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: think about this. We don't want to accept these systems,

555
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: but we also don't want to be in perpetual response

556
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: to them, because that is also that is also being

557
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: focused on the white gays and focused on these systems

558
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: gays that we're always responding. We're always in this perpetual

559
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: relations with and reactionary with these systems. And what your

560
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: radical imagination does is it says that I it's a

561
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: note for me, dog, I rejected all actually engaged. You

562
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna engaged with you

563
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: on this at all. So I am going to take

564
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: you out of the equation. And you said this many

565
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: times during when you were speaking about what was on

566
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: your heart, about how You're like, I'm removing myself from

567
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: that conversation. I'm no longer going to think of myself

568
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: in relationship to these to these systems. I'm thinking about

569
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: myself with myself at the center. That's the conversation we

570
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: have had here quite a few times. Is on a

571
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: metaphysical level, the most valuable asset that you have is

572
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: your attention in what you would put your attention on increases. Right,

573
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: So if you don't want a thing to grow, you

574
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: have to remove your attention from it, you really do,

575
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: and focus your attention on what you do want to grow.

576
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: Your attention is fertilizer, you know what I mean. And

577
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: that's why, even even in terms of the activities I

578
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: was doing around forgiveness because it was like, I can't

579
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: even give you none of my heart space, you know.

580
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I could wish you love. That's amount about

581
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: the amount of heart space you can have, But I

582
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: can't harbor. I can't harbor no resentment towards you. That's

583
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: that's valuable real estate I could be putting towards another

584
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: creative idea. You know what I'm saying, and that I'm

585
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: t it is the most liberating experience I have ever had.

586
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I just pride tis of joy and I

587
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: was laughing and crying at the same time because it's

588
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: so freeing. I don't I am mad at you. I

589
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: gotta be mad at you, for you did the best

590
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: that you could at the place that you was at

591
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: in your journey. And that's it. I think of these words,

592
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: these words that you're using, think of these words that

593
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: you're used, and feels I am free, so good. We'll

594
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: be back after the break moment. Please tell us how

595
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: all of this transformation and study and paying attention really

596
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: that's what it is, you know, paying attention to yourself.

597
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: How is that evolved into into your new creative What's

598
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: what's going on your music? Man, So I have really

599
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: that mine one of you stuff. Frost is a wellness

600
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: brand outside of just music. I'm a wellness brand, and

601
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: so everything that I'm writing about is about our collective wellness,

602
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's about getting to that

603
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: place where we're more well. So the topics that are covered, like,

604
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: that's what I can get passionate about. I get passionate about,

605
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: like being able to write about a topic that I

606
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: haven't written about before, prospective vision scope shaping. You know

607
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't for me? Like I love that so like

608
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: the song concepts of titles, Like one of my favorite

609
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: songs is called north Star. It's the song and viato

610
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: that I feel most proud of. And I'm such a

611
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: like I'm a really creative person. Normally I just create

612
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: and then you know, keep kicking out, keep it moving.

613
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: But then I actually got to sit and look at

614
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: it and be like, what's that? I feel that's proud.

615
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: It's like, I feel really proud of it. It started

616
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: out as a conversation I was having with my son

617
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: on his way to school, and he was saying because

618
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: the first time going to public school, and his dad

619
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: was saying, telling me, should go to public school. And

620
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: so he's like, all right, I'll try it out. You

621
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: were home schooling for so long. Yeah, yeah, because you

622
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: know I don't. I don't. I don't want you to

623
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: take my word with son. You know, if you think

624
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, go ahead, baby,

625
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: try it out. You know I'm not. You know, the

626
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: prison ahead. And so he wanted to go try it

627
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: out and let maybe a weekend. He said, Mommy, I

628
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: feel so different. I feel so different than everybody. I said,

629
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: you welcome, He said what I said, I worked hard

630
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: at that. Huh. If you're blended right in, you know

631
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Why do you think I took you

632
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: all around the world? Like why you think I put

633
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: you in certain circles and the sacrifice that I have made,

634
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: certain gigs I didn't take to make sure that you

635
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: could stay with me or you could have you know,

636
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: I started him in a math and science program at four,

637
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like he he was able

638
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: to like experiment which is really gross to me, but

639
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: experiment on a human brain that has seventy of its

640
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: original water at at six years old? Like, why do

641
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: you think I did all of that I'm saying, why

642
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: get you into coding at five? Like? He speaks like

643
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: four or five different coding languages now right, I don't

644
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: know if it's supposed to say speak, but you know

645
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I'm like, like, I know what away, Yes,

646
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: I said, why why do you think I did all

647
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: of that? It's not for you to be the same.

648
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: It's not for you to blend in. It's for you

649
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to to be expansive, to to

650
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: be all that you can be to you know what

651
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: I mean. I said, But you gotta he said, well,

652
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: nobody else is like I know, baby, But you gotta

653
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: understand that the righteous rose a lonely one. The words

654
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: are told my only son, the week will fold and

655
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: come undone, the strong will grow, will leave them up.

656
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: First I started writing this Perst, and I said, you

657
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: gotta know that in this life, it's not gonna be

658
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people agreeing with the righteous path.

659
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: Right when you are one of one, You're not gonna

660
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: find a whole bunch of people that you can may

661
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: be identify with, the people that can say, oh, yeah,

662
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: they've done it before, or maybe they have maybe they haven't.

663
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: But you gotta. You gotta be able to be self referring.

664
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: You gotta use that intuition inside of you. There may

665
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: not be a co sign for what you feel is

666
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: right inside of your gut. There may not be you know,

667
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: everybody else may be doing all doing the same thing,

668
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: and something aside. He may be like, I don't know

669
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: if that's right. You gotta go with you. You're gonna

670
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: be you know what I mean that the leader that part.

671
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: You gotta be a leader. You can't be a follower.

672
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: So we're having that whole conversation driving to school, and

673
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: I said, but this is a good lesson for you though,

674
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: because you gotta go into the world. And then because

675
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: I want you to really be able to know your

676
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: voice from everyone else's here, the internal whisper inside of you.

677
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: The more you follow it, the louder it will get,

678
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: and God will never steer you wrong. So I started

679
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: writing a song called north Star. I was sitting with

680
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: me and d Smoke was having this conversation. I was

681
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: telling about my son and I said, you know, we

682
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: use escaping from slavery, we use the north Star as

683
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: a guiding system, and imagine walking on foot from like

684
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: Georgia to Canada following a star. Think about that kind

685
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: of faith. You gotta have that kind of brilliance first

686
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: of all to even know right. And then there were

687
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: these colded quilts that would be put up at at

688
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: safe house along the way to show you where you

689
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: were in the path, like, I mean, that's where you

690
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: come from. What are we talking about? And in this life,

691
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: people will try to confuse you about who you are

692
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: with your capable of and you gotta remember all that

693
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: we've overcome. We're resalient, were unstoppable, unbreakable, right, I don't know,

694
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: my sonody like a little. My mother gotta give me

695
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: this long history lessons, you know. So I started writing

696
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: that song, be so thafeful. So they all fuss about

697
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: the lessons. They can't say, don't say that around my mother.

698
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: But whatever. So we set the time period eighteen sixty four,

699
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: and I was real intentional about there are no white

700
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: people in the video. There is no for no, no

701
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: oppression scene. All you see is our greatness. All you

702
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: see is us with the coded quilts, with the you know,

703
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: looking at the stars, are seeing us as astronomers. You

704
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: see us escape and you see you know what I mean.

705
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: You see us in towards victory. You see us on

706
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: horses gallantly like it's the same time period. I made

707
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: sure that all of the wardrobe and was from that

708
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: time period. The poetry in the beginning came from a

709
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: quilt from the eighteen hundreds. But you only see our victory.

710
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: You only see our victory. And and that's what I

711
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: mean by when you put your focus on that's what

712
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: increases you only just it ain't that the pain ain't

713
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: there or you want focus on the victory. And that's

714
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: what you give power to. And it is the piece

715
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: that I am most proud of. Everything I've done in

716
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: my career is so well executed. And I also included

717
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: my indigenous culture. I had my son in full regalia

718
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: of a grass dances regalia. I had ah, you know,

719
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: a headband with the snake our our Choctaw, the symbol

720
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: for our tribe is a diamond back snake, and I

721
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: have it before you even dumped dumping this. Can you

722
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: tell us how you even became aware about my culture

723
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: of your indigenous background? Yeah, exactly. So. In nineteen seven

724
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: the eight there was the Freedom of Religion Act was

725
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: passed for Native Americans to be able to practice the culture.

726
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: Up until that point, it was illegal for most people

727
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: if you lived in the South, like if you didn't

728
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: live on a reservation. Right after Andrew Jackson moved all

729
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: of the Native tribes off the East coast. Right, So

730
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: one of my ancestors, I guess my my grandmother's grandfather

731
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: was walked to Oklahoma during the Indian Removable Act, and

732
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: he walked himself back. But when he got back, all

733
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: his land had been sold and the Census Bureau reclassified

734
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: anybody that was still there is colored. So everybody just

735
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: became colored. Natives on the East Coast as far back

736
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: dating as um William what is his last name, he's

737
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: the person who founded Fake Found. The European who fake

738
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: founded James. Now, when he describes the natives that he

739
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: encountered there, which were like the Tuscar, Royer, the Maharan,

740
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: and not Away, he says they look like Ethiopians, They're

741
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: similar to he calls them dark angels. Right. So a

742
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: book called by even been certain call they came before

743
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: Columbus talks about Africans who had already been to the

744
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: United States, South America and the Caribbean hundreds and hundreds

745
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: of years before Europeans were here, right, there are a

746
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: lot of similarities between traditional African culture and traditional East

747
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: Coast Native culture. So my family, like most families, were

748
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: not allowed to practice the traditions. I have friends who

749
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: are not beho that. Maybe they're in their forties now,

750
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: they can remember doing sweat lodge ceremonies and having the

751
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: FBI shoot shoot bullets into the sweat lodges. If you

752
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: all studied the Battle of Wounded Need, if you if

753
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: you learn about Leonard Peltier, like the original Wounded Need

754
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: was over the ghost dance. They killed him for for

755
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: for dancing, for doing the ghost dance. So my mother

756
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: and my grandmother, as soon as it was legal, they

757
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: went back to relearn the culture. They always knew they

758
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: were Chocodall, like they talked about it in the family.

759
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like a happy stance, like it

760
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: didn't it wasn't anything to make a big fuss about it.

761
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: Just they knew they was Choctaw from Mississippi. But when

762
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: the Indian Movement Act was passed, then it was like

763
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: we can go back and learn the culture. So by

764
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: the time I was born, they was already so deep

765
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: in it that I you know, I grew up dancing

766
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: in pow wows and competed in pow wows from the

767
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: time I was five until I was fourteen. I supported

768
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: my mother her vision quests. I supported my system her

769
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: vision quests. I've been out to Sundance. So I was

770
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: just knee deep into these traditions like at any given moment,

771
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: Like that's how my childhood was. At any given moment,

772
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, my mother could say, Hey, you know, pack up,

773
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: We're about to go to such and such for a

774
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: full moon ceremonial or womb lodge or like when I

775
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: came into my cycle, right, we had to have a

776
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: womb lodge. We had ceremonies around around your blood, you know,

777
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: when you would bleed outside into the earth. So many

778
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: the foods that we learned to cook the way you know,

779
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: we harvested things like all that stuff. I grew up

780
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: like that. You'll never know, right because I may not

781
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: always present like that's the kind of but that's the

782
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: kind of childhood that I had. That even though I

783
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: grew up partially in Baltimore City, but my mother always

784
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, kept me close to the earth, and because

785
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: I was home school, she would give me credit. I

786
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: get school credit for that. She'd be like, go help

787
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: your grandmother build the sweat lodge, you know what I mean, Like,

788
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: and I get a class credit. Go help, you know,

789
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: play and do some b work. I had to make

790
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: my hair ties for the so u you know, or

791
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: sometimes the hide, the deer hide. We'd be like, I

792
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: don't know, she'd be stretching it or something, go making

793
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: drums whatever, and she just give me class credit for that.

794
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: Then when I went to public school, to gave me

795
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: a zero for everything I learned in homeschool. But yeah,

796
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: so that was just my reality. It wasn't until I

797
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: got into the world, starting to going to public school,

798
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: I realized like, oh, nobody else lives like this. Oh

799
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: we grew up was some weirdos stuff. This is not

800
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: normal for anybody else. I was won't go through so

801
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: many emotions. Are all a lot of jealousy, A lot

802
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: of jealousy, A lot of jealousy. I'm sorry, it was

803
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: really I want it's just what a blessed existence. Oh

804
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: my god, we're taking this ancestry test right right right,

805
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: It's true, and that's beautiful. Because you said nineties seventy eight,

806
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: which happens to be the year and that I was born.

807
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: And so you're thinking that just in the forty two

808
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: years that I've been on this earth, that people who

809
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: predated every other person that's in one in this land,

810
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: we're not able to legally practice their own religions, you know.

811
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: And it's like and that they've only been able to

812
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: do it for as long as I've been here, that

813
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: language and everything. And I'm sure you've seen on social

814
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: media about the boarding schools, right the last boarding school

815
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: was closed in the nineties, Like it was. The boarding

816
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: schools were created to force Native people not to know

817
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: their culture anymore. You couldn't speak your language, you couldn't

818
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: you had to cut your hair, like they was hoping

819
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: that you would forget all of your customs, separating the

820
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: children from their past, they would adopt them out different places.

821
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: When people get offended by the term colonizer, they they

822
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: they really get in their bag about colonizer, which which like, okay,

823
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: it's the it's systematic how this thing works. You separated

824
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: people from their language, you separated people from there from

825
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: their religion, you separate the elders from from their children.

826
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: They did it with the Aborigines, is done with the

827
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: the the indigenous people here in the United States. It's

828
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: done consistent. It's so consistent. Like at this point, you know,

829
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: the tactics, Homy like you to see how does how

830
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: does they is gonna play out? So so owning oneself

831
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: and that wholeness thing, you know, one, yeah, might as

832
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: well go ahead and get involved and find out who

833
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: where you're from and who your people are. And then

834
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: once you do that and do some research into that,

835
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: and and maybe make a trip and go see some

836
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: folks and eat some food and listen to some language,

837
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: and listen to some music, and and share and and

838
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: learn and teach your children. What a beautiful way to exist,

839
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: move move it is. And I want to I want

840
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: to point something out to about about this because you know,

841
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: um Mamuna said that this this was her whole life.

842
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: You know, she was born into cultural practices and understand

843
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: these things. And yet still as a woman, she had

844
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: to be extremely intentional about pushing back at this world

845
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: and the pasis she has to occupy. And that's knowing

846
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: much more than anyone else on this call about the

847
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: culture and that and then that says something about how

848
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: how difficult it is to to be yourself and to

849
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: know who you are under these circumstances that you can

850
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: even have the kind of jump start that Mamuna had

851
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: and still have to go through the very specific work

852
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: and self work that says, I gotta push back at

853
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: these things, and even more so, I think for you,

854
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: because you can't unsee what you've seen already, and so

855
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: to have that kind of exposure to who you are

856
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: and then experience this world and this country and this

857
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: industry the way that it is is in absolute contradiction

858
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: to that. And so you know, I pray for you,

859
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that you are in this earth,

860
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: that you're in this growth with us, because we have

861
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: we have to be able to look at at at

862
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: you and listen to you and other folks like you,

863
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: and and use that as an opportunity to learn and

864
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: to hear you know what I mean, learning it here.

865
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: And that's one of the many things about a podcast

866
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: is you after this said, you have to listen, and

867
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: you you did. You did a great when you continue

868
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: to do this great thing, you did a great thing

869
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: out draining, cause I want to say to cause you

870
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: got so much in there. The programming is very pervasive.

871
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: And my mother and he loves have a TV in

872
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: the house when I was growing up, and it's still very,

873
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: very pervasive, and the constant programming of not enoughness still

874
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: was present even with the culture, you know, because everybody's colonized.

875
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: Even within Native circles, there's a lot of anti blackness,

876
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So although my birth certificates

877
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: say I'm Native, my grandmother will stand next to you

878
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: and be like, you know what I'm saying, she's Native,

879
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: and it will still be you know, I still had

880
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: to deal with that as a child growing up, with

881
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: people saying she's too dark to to you know what

882
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: I mean to be, to dance, to win to you know,

883
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: all that all that silly stuff, because people are colonized,

884
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: and you gotta understand that the term five dollar Indian

885
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: comes from the time when white people could buy into

886
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: any tribe they wanted to for five dollars and become

887
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: the head. So it's yeah, it's a lot of work

888
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: to be done. It's a lot of work to be done,

889
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: and they bring their anti blackness with them everywhere they

890
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: go all around the world. You know what I'm saying,

891
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: that's just fascin that Natives aren't aware of their own history.

892
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 1: And I mean, I know we're the same way, but wow,

893
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: in my mind, I just thought that all natives understood that.

894
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: But this is why, this is why we have to

895
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: be very careful to understand the anti blackness is bigger

896
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: than particular groups of people. And that is a thing

897
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: that will it will bounce this little self all the

898
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: way around and even within us as black people, and

899
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: black people are very happily will participate in anti black

900
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: people will participate in it. Oh, It's it's a thing,

901
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: it's a system, it's a thing. It's always has to

902
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: be under attack. And I think sometimes we get into

903
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: this individual and and I will say this for myself

904
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: and even as my experience as being an African American,

905
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: we have a tendency, because we don't know a lot

906
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: of our culture, to romanticize relationships with culture, to romanticize Africa,

907
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: to romanticize native culture, and we will romanticize seeing them

908
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: as a whole without seeing things as this whole, this

909
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: whole experience. It's also being mindful of what is what

910
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: is black culture and what is a stereotype that's been

911
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: perpetuated again and again to make us think that this

912
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: is how we are. We have to be very mindful

913
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: of that because what is what is real and what

914
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: is not mm hmmm, Well, a lot of people will

915
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: say that the culture is real, it's it's the black

916
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: part that's the social construct. But we we call black

917
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: culture something a very real life, a real deal lived

918
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: experience that we that we know and understand, and that

919
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: we know one understand without anyone that any other black

920
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: person having to explain it. We just know it, you know.

921
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: And I had a conversation with a friend earlier today

922
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: just about how, you know, we can never leave our

923
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: Africanness behind. We bring it with us and put it

924
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: and insert it into everything that we do. Just why

925
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: black church feel so different than white church. It's like

926
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: because we we take our Africanness everywhere that we go

927
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: and we say, oh, this is a oh this is

928
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: where I am. Let me insert who I am into

929
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: where I am. And that's why wherever we go we

930
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: leave this indelible mark and that begin it creates culture.

931
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: So when you think about church culture, you think about

932
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: anywhere that black people quote unquote quote unquote black people

933
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: find themselves. You will find a thing in which we

934
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: have inserted who we are and built on it. And

935
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: that's why we recognize it. That's why we recognize it

936
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: everywhere we go. That's why we know it and figure

937
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: out what is that little little thing. Yes, it's the

938
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: centering of that thing we know in our core. Dear friends,

939
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: I just want to say I love you all and

940
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: appreciate you and respect you immensely. Thank you so much

941
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: Mo Muna for for being here. You are a gift,

942
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: so so grateful that you. Everybody caught queen of culture.

943
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: Everybody queen of culture. Let's say it again. Visual about this,

944
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: this journey on being whole. It's the wholeness of it all.

945
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: And anywhere you can take a lesson, I hope that

946
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: you have to. There's no way you ain't. You ain't

947
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: working with me all this time without finding some lessons

948
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: in and this thing here, Okay, So grab them, hold

949
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: on to them, investigate, do your research, and get involved

950
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: in yourself and your wholeness. Thank you so much for

951
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: listening to a Jay dot ilta podcast. Blessings, blessings and

952
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: more of them. How do you eat an elephant? One

953
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: by a tie. All Right, y'all, Eve's here, which means

954
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: it's time for the resources. Mamuna gave us so much

955
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: game this episode, but first by and stream her new album,

956
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 1: Queen of Culture. The visuals for the song north Star

957
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: are beautiful and the song is just as stunning. All Right,

958
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: a few other things. For most of us, there is

959
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: plenty of learning and un learning that we can do

960
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: when it comes to indigenous people's and what we now

961
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: call the United States of America. That means that you're

962
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: going to have to do more digging on your own.

963
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: But here are a few things that came up today.

964
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: So Indian Removal Act, signed into law by President Andrew

965
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: Jackson in eighteen thirty, authorized the president to negotiate removal

966
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: treaties with tribes east of the Mississippi River, leading to

967
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: the forced removal in genocide of Native American peoples the

968
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: Choctaw or Mumu's tribe. They originally lived on lands in

969
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: what is now the southeastern US. In the nineteenth and

970
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: twentieth centuries, the U. S Government ran boarding schools that

971
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: took Native American children away from their families, stripped them

972
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: of their culture, and forced them to assimilate. Lastly, Mumu

973
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: mentioned the book They Came Before Columbus, The African Presence

974
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: in Ancient America, written by Ivan van Certema. In it,

975
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: he talks about the similarities between cultures in Africa and

976
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: the ancient America's contact between the continents, and descriptions from

977
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: firsthand accounts of the era. I'll leave links that you

978
00:55:49,560 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: might find useful in your research in the episode description. Hi,

979
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: if you have comments on something we said in this

980
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: episode called eight six six. Hey, Jill, if you want

981
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: to add to this conversation, that's eight six six three

982
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Speaker 1: nine five four five five. Don't forget to tell us

983
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: your name and the episode you're referring to. You might

984
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: just hear your message on a future episode. Thank you

985
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: for listening to Jill Scott Presents Jay dot Il the podcast.

986
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: This podcast is hosted by Jill Scott, Layah st Clair

987
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: and Agr Graden Danceler. It's executive producers are Jill Scott,

988
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: Shawn g and Brian Calhoun's produced by Laya st Clair

989
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: and me Eves Jeff Cope. The editing and sound design

990
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Speaker 1: for this episode we're done by Christina Larenger. J Dot

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992
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