WEBVTT - The Metaverse and Facebook’s Future of the Internet part 2 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:10.160 Welcome back. It could happen here the show where we're 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:12.920 talking right now about the metaverse that a bunch of 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:14.920 rich people think that you're going to want to live 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.919 in once they ruin the regular world. Um uh, and 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:23.360 why it's dogshit and it is dogshit, so it's just 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.480 it's just it's just total dogshit. Um Everything about this, 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.520 I don't know, seems like a waking nightmare to be 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:31.840 to me so far if we're actually talking about like 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.000 what they are, what they are immediately trying to because 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.240 a bunch of this is aspirational nonsense that as we've 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.560 stayed at this, like you are never going to play 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.080 a perfect game of basketball in a mix of real 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:43.640 and a R courts with your friend in Hong Kong, 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:48.279 Like that's never going to happen. Never. That's not how 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.519 physics works, that's not how electronics works. Maybe when we 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.160 find out how to literally hack the human brain, we 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.920 can like put you into a quasi seizure state that 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.120 that that that mimics that. But like the closest, the 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.160 closest thing we have to this right now is actually 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.160 uh VR board games is the best is the best 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.200 example of this, or you can play with you can 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.119 play Settlers of Catan with your friend, a classic across 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.039 the Yeah, and there's some cool ship you can do 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.919 with haptics and haptic feedback is like the basic example 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.240 of it is when you like touch your phone and 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.360 your phone like vibrates under your hand to like let 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.240 you know that you've you've touched like a command. And 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.280 there's there's people who think like at some point we 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.960 would be we may be able to make using haptic feedback, 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.120 like a virtual keyboard that feels like a real keyboard, 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:35.280 that might be possible. That's still that's still like kind 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.000 of like the idea of a keyboard that isn't there 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.679 but feels like a real keyboard might be possible. Close 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.560 to that, that's still on the fringes of possibility. Like this, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.120 the fucking ship they're showing in this video is like nonsense. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.960 We will have laser cannons before we have any of 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.880 this bullshit, Like we will be shooting each other in 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.160 space before we have this nonsense. Um, And thank god 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.600 for that because at least that sounds fun. So the 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.720 actual will center of what they've built in terms of 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:06.080 the products that that Facebook is launching now for the metaverse. UM. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.680 The core of it is Horizon Home and Horizon Worlds, 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:10.399 and I think Horizon is kind of the brand they're 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.560 going with for all of their different like meta programs. UM. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.880 Horizon Home is the home spaces thing that they discussed earlier, 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.680 where people can like make their own like houses. And 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.320 one of the things they don't talk about in this 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.079 They keep saying like you can build whatever you want, 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.200 you can make it look like anything. They don't say 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.239 a word about how like decorating your digital home is 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.880 going to be monetized versus how much of it will 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.600 be sweat equity. And again, like the smart thing would 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.920 be make it all sweat equity, make it like Minecraft, 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.640 make people be able to build anything they can conceive 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.960 of if they're actually creative enough and spend the time. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.280 They won't do that um as they talk about in that, 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.240 Like in the video they played like we're like, oh, 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.000 this is a cool world. It was made by a developer, Like, yeah, 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.600 you're gonna buy the cool ship. Um, I don't. I 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:54.240 don't know what You're gonna buy it, and it's gonna 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.320 suck because all you can do is sit at a table. Yeah, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.320 and it's like you can't go into bed, Like you can't, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.079 Like all of this stuff is just cosmetic, Like it's 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.160 you're not gonna be tricked to thinking it's real. I've 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.520 I've been in some cool VR like three D rooms 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.880 and like they're cool to look at for like ten minutes. Yeah, 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.240 any boring. Yeah, Like it's you're like, oh yeah, it's 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.200 like the real world, but I can't touch anything. And 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.919 when they show you the stuff that's closer to real, 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.919 like the different like people chatting in the metaverse and whatever, 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.160 it doesn't look fun. There's a there's a scene where 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:30.200 they like show people like watching a YouTube video together 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.600 in the metaverse, and they're all like these disembodied upper 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.000 torsos because of course VR sets can't can't read your legs, 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.840 so it's like a bunch of torsos floating around a 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.600 maximized YouTube video window. And it's like I would rather 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.360 just show a friend my phone. I would even rather 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.440 text the video, and is being in person with somebody 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.920 watching on a on a phone or even but even 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.160 even if without like it's the kind I think that 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.400 they're expecting that, like everyone's kind of bummed when they 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.240 send a friend video over signal or text and like 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.200 wait for them. No, I would rather do that for 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:03.720 this ship. I don't want to hang out as a 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.120 bunch of torsos around a YouTube. We don't want have 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.960 to schedule of a VR session every time I want 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.200 to share a YouTube video. No, that sounds horrible, and 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.920 it sounds like I would constantly have to be in VR. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:16.919 Like he talks about how we're not trying to expand 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.440 screen time, but like, am I just waiting around in 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.000 VR to like show friends? YouTube are really unclear about 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.839 how often you need to be in a headset, and 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.719 it's it's kind of suspicious. It's almost like they don't 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.599 actually plan on doing anything. I want to play another 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.320 video that they claim to be a use case. And 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.560 the way this video starts is like this actual person 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.279 is in an actual real world concert for some guy 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.440 I've never heard of that Facebook. I think he's he's 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.640 some clearly some sort of musician with a following that 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.359 Facebook hired to do a concert for this video. And 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.400 she like calls her friend on the metaverse, and her 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.840 friend digitally hops into the concert and they're like the 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.599 digital girl and the real girl are like dancing together 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.200 at the show, which I don't know whatever, like that 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.440 is more possib both in the basketball shit, Um, I 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.760 mean yeah, watching of having a like a VR version 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:07.840 of standing in a room where musician plays. Sure, I 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.760 mean it's not Yeah, yeah, I would debate like whether 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.360 or not it's doable. But then after that they see, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.960 like during the concert, this like digital thing pops up. 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:18.440 That's like, do you want to go to a free 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.520 after party? Um? And first off, all of these after 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.920 parties will cost money and they'll all be dogshit. But um, 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.040 that's the same with most real after parties. So I 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:31.520 guess that's that's at least Facebook accurately delivering on the 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:36.159 promise of the real world. Um, but I want to 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.320 play like what happens in this metaverse after party that 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.800 these two both hop into digitally after one of them. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.000 So like as this starts, the lady who was actually 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.040 at the concert like sits down at home and gets 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:53.560 into the metaverse. Imagine your best friend is at a 0:05:53.600 --> 0:06:00.560 concert somewhere across the world. Uh, what if you could 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:11.800 be there with her? Yeah? Yeah, real, yeah, real and clear? 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.919 How that works? Yeah, that was the first of the concert. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.920 See the holographic version of how the person see that. Yeah, 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.520 well that she's dancing. Is everyone wearing VR and seeing 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.400 the world through VR, because I'll tell you about Like 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.720 right now, I'm I in our brain put on put on. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.120 I put on on Oculus as a joke, and right 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.040 now I have it on the pass through, which means 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.440 I can see the real world through my cameras in 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.080 the oculus And you know what it looks like? Shit, 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.480 it's black and white. It's super grainy. I can't there 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.600 has it has no like exposure range. Everything is like 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.880 it's it's like you look like you're wearing a sunglasses 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:53.039 case in your once look like the world. But like 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.200 I can't do anything because it all is like a 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:59.359 horrible digital like like I can't like it's not really 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.120 like again do anything. Aspects of this one Like at 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.000 some point passed through mode will be in color and 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:07.760 the latency will be low enough notice it right like 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.920 and there won't be late and seeing like yeah, but 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.160 it'll but it's not gonna be human eyeballa, It'll it'll 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:15.920 still be a thing. So that girl is going to 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.440 have to be at a concert dancing, getting super sweaty 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.360 and like she's wearing something even if it's as small 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:25.960 as like regular glasses and she's not like better, but 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.000 what's more to the end, But like, if people are 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.800 actually gonna a helop this technology, the real way to 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.119 do it is with a R, not not VR, because 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.760 with a R, yeah, you could have put on like 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.040 actual glasses and have like a person show up on 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:40.760 the thing and make it look like they're there, well 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.080 actually still seeing the real world. That's gonna be the 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.120 way to do it, Yeah, And I think that's what 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.360 to do it. Yeah, I think that's what they're like 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.760 claiming here, But it's really unclear how it's all going 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.880 to interface, how the a R is going to interface 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.520 with like the full VR stuff, Like, are we gonna 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.840 have two separate sets of gear, one for when we're 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.000 in the real world and we can't be fully immersive 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.120 and one for when want to dive into the metaverse? 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.240 An do we always carry it around wherever we go? Yeah? 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.440 But I want to play the section. I sorry, I 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.040 played the video where they were at the concert just 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.080 because it it looks very silly. I want to play 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.200 the section where they're at the after party because it's 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.480 it's dystopian as fux so here's the all all metaverse 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.360 after party that looks like a bunch of fucking connect 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.480 avatars standing around and like a room made out of 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.840 glowing neon, the digital room. Yeah, nobody's drinking, which is 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.480 the only good thing to do with an after party 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.400 that's not cocaine. So from from the jump, I'm like, well, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.720 what is the only good thing about an after party 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.120 is if you want more drugs and all of the 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.839 drugs places are closed, maybe at the end you can 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.760 hook up with a digital avatar. Yeah, it's anyway. I'm 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.440 just I'm just gonna play this dog shit where this 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:52.719 is wild? Is it? They're just slowly dancing as a draftman. 0:08:54.280 --> 0:09:00.520 Check this out charity action for n f T merchandise 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:05.520 party that looks like ship of your favorite song. Yeah 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:13.720 it looks dog Yeah. So it's like it's it's a 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.880 it's a horrible three D chat. And we already have 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.120 these these already exhast and they're not tons of fun. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.920 The only they're fun is when you're in first suits 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.079 and you're walking around a fake city destroying it. That's 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.880 the only fun way to do this. And the thing 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.080 they're showing in this is that like an autographed poster 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.520 for the concert. Um is an n f T that 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.679 you can buy for a charity auction, and like, as 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.080 they're looking at it, the actual musician walks by and 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.199 tells them it looks cool, and so they buy it 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.240 and they have the musician come in for that number 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.280 one to like try to make this kind of like, yeah, 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.079 you'll be able to do these digital events where you 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.199 can meet actual celebrities, which like, no, I'm sure celebrities 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.120 will agree to do q Q and as in the 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.320 multiverse like they do anywhere else. But they're not going 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.720 to just walk around in some dogshit virtual party because 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.840 they have money and they can do actual fun things 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.240 the actual real world. They're gonna be fucking supermodels while 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.839 skiing down a mountain in Lake Tahoe because they're rich. Um, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.959 they're going to be like flying in their private jets 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:14.120 or driving in a fucking yacht and eating lobster that's 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.360 been tortured so it tastes better because they're rich. Like 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.080 they're they're not going to be hanging out in a 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.559 digital lobby telling you that a fucking dogshit poster in 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.880 f T is cool and that you should buy it. Um, 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.440 unless you're a millionaire and they want your money because 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.200 they're Nicolas Cage and they have an addiction to buying 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.240 Tarannosaurus parts. I don't know, it's it's silly, it's it's ridiculous. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.120 Um Yeah. So one of the things that I thought 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.360 about when I was watching this is like the concept 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.880 of metaverse culture. Um. So, like at some point, if 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.400 this is a thing, there's going to be like like 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.240 if there ever is a metaverse, people will develop a 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.480 culture for it, just like they've developed a culture for Twitter, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.959 a culture for Reddit, a culture for Facebook, just as 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.760 they were like internet culture or was fantasy. Yeah, it 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:04.439 had with every community you make online. Um And and 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.199 that's the thing, Like, there's no I see no space 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.320 in this thing that Mark Zuckerberg has envisioned as he 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:14.640 is presenting it for organic evolution of None of the 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.200 things that here are gonna make people want to form 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.559 a culture around it because it's all it looks like 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.319 it looks like boring yuppie ship, all of it, but 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.320 none of it is actually looks cool or fun, and 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.600 none of it, none of it is He's not talking 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.480 about any of it with like the there's no there's 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.040 no openness in it, Like there's no I don't see 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.199 where a culture could evolve, and if one does, it's 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.719 going to be directly like in opposition to Facebook moderation, 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.960 um like yeah, um well yeah, and I mean and 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:44.320 there's there's an ex sense to which it's like they 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.920 can't write because like if you actually let people just 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.120 like do things, like imagine the griefing that's going to 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.439 happen in one of these spaces, right Like every person's 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.240 avatar is going to be like sixteen thousand dongs like 0:11:58.280 --> 0:11:59.760 this just as literally this all it's going to be 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:01.360 like this, This is this is what Twitch looks like, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.520 right Like every twitch chat is a guy posting a 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.400 hydramate of dongs. Like it's like none of none of 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.680 this can actually work if you let people do literally anything. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.880 But if you don't let people do anything, like why 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.000 would you're going to want to do it? Yeah? Yeah, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:14.600 like how how are you going to sell them this crap? 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.720 Like once upon a time there was a game called 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.320 Second Life. I guess it still exists, but still we're talking. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.440 People talked about it the way they're talking about the 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.719 metaverse now, and that became just like it was never that, 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.360 but there was like this beautiful moment where this I 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.040 think and she Chung was her name. Um, this like 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.280 culture writer, kind of expert lady was like doing a 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:37.400 Q and A and Second Life that was like build 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.000 as being this like big event for the platform that 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.400 was going to like make people take it seriously. And 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.120 a bunch of like users showed up and made a 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.640 bunch of floating dicks like float through the room during 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.640 the interview, so that like while this person was trying 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.480 to talk seriously about Second Life, just like floating cox 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.560 resooming past her head the entire time, and it was 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.040 extremely funny. And it's it's exactly the kind of thing 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.079 that like, yeah, that's what all of this is going 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.439 to look like. Any mass event is going people will 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.840 find a way to grief it um and that will 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.800 in fact be the thing they most want to do. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.440 Is that will be the actual culture part is fucking 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.640 with Facebook. Yeah, but you know, but that's the part 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.960 about that that sucks. It's like, yeah, you know, it's 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.200 like you're your anniversal reality thing, right, so like okay, 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:18.760 what are people going to do in a virtual reality. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.360 It's well, okay, you're gonna get You're gonna get a 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.680 bunch of neo Nazis like figuring out a way to 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.719 like show you just like the worst ship you've ever 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.480 seen in your life. Like it it's gonna it's gonna 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.840 be all the stuff from the two thousands were like 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.600 half of the Internet was just like a video. Why 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.480 this is the thousand tends to like half of Twitter 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.960 is just heading videos. Said now it's in VR, it's 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.800 like yeah, yeahs in the metaverse, it's going to be amazing. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.680 Some of that's even already happening in like vir social 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.280 media apps. I know of a few specific nazis involved 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.640 in January six who networked and met with people via 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:55.120 of specifically VR chat, So like this this is already 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.480 a thing, um, and making it more broad than like 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.480 this small, you know, because the VR right now is 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.480 mostly just a small subsect of like gaming culture right 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.000 and people are into it because there is VR games 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.080 that are cool, like like like beat Saber is fun. 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:15.400 Rights yeah, absolutely, Um. In order for them to break 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.000 this through into the mainstream, they need to make it 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.040 appealing some way, and the only way they're making appealing 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:23.240 right now is by doing meetings and like concerts. So 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:25.320 the next part I want to play doesn't say a 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.200 lot about the future Marks trying to build, but it's 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.120 very funny because it's him sitting down with a woman 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.920 who works in his gaming department and she's walking him 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.440 through like what games are going to be integrated into 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.200 the metaverse, And it fucking reads like and I think 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.920 you should leave sketch like it feels like a sketch 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.040 where the joke is that everyone is awkward and not 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.840 talking the way human beings talk. And in case you 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.520 can't watch this chunk of the video and it starts 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.920 at about like nineteen thirty four. Um. In the actual 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.760 Facebook video, all of the video games they're talking about, 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.200 like look, Dogship, they look like the Kirkland brand of 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.520 like popular like fighting games and fps is and stuff. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.040 None of them look very good. Um. So I'm gonna 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.960 play a clip from this because it's very funny. Can 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:11.480 bailed out active communities Beat Saber has a passionate community, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.840 so do I and just past million dollars and less 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.640 I pressed around a creat example in the games releasing 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.120 fresh content, they've actually been working on involving the way 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.920 that you inter wrapt with the tracks and feel the music. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.080 The way he's nodding in this, like his digital avatar 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.960 looks more like a person. Well, here's some beats saber. Yeah, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.040 it looks like regular beat saber. Yeah. But it's it's VR, 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.160 it's our it's already as VR. Yeah, it's already a 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.000 VR game. You can't wait to play this, and you 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.080 can already play with incredible artists to release new music 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.920 packs all the time. You can do that a little 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.720 more than us have been working more of this metaverse 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.720 prison Tack Well, oh god, every scene she's talking to 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.480 him and he's just like Bobblehead nodding just a little bit, 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:08.080 but not like it's he looks. Mark actually will benefit 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.840 from the metaverse, like outside of a financial thing, because 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.920 a a sculpted three D representation of him will be 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.720 a thousand times better. It looks more human than he looks, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:19.600 looks like more of a person. Yeah, it's I mean, 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:22.400 it's just like he's scripted it badly and he's a narcissist, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.080 so he has to be the one to present it again, 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:28.880 am I. Number one? If Steve Jobs were doing this, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.960 Number one, he wouldn't because he understood what people wanted 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.640 from technology. But if he were doing something like this. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.520 He would introduce like little chunks of it, and then 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.360 he would have a famous person who's charismatic introduced the 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.200 rest of it, like yeah, that's like you wouldn't be 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.600 it wouldn't mean introduce how I'm sitting like a bobblehead listening, 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.840 And he would introduced v R and a R into 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.000 a way that actually integrats how people use the Internet, alright, 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:51.840 because there is ways that there is ways of doing it. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.440 It's not this like super monetized n f T like 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:01.880 bullshit holographic fake stuff. Yeah, and there's there's aspects of this, 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.720 like he goes through after this, like there's a bunch 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.840 of gaming stuff, which is impossible for the reasons we've 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.240 talked about. Then there's aspects of it that seemed cool, 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.399 Like there's a scene where like an architect gets onto 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.320 his digital office and like somebody sends him uh schematics 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.000 to a building they're making, and he's able to generate 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.359 a three D and walk around the building Like Okay, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:24.000 that actually seems that seems like useful, Like you've developed 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.880 a use case for the all of the architects out there. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.520 It's it's I'm still not convinced that CAD would actually 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.840 be better in three D than it would be Like, sure, 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:38.359 it's I I think it may someday. I think it 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.760 could be. Like if you are one of the concreasingly 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.160 small number of people who can afford to like build 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:45.639 a house of your own, I can see why it 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.080 would be neat to be like, Okay, well let's do 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:48.440 a three D render of the house and I can 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.200 walk through and I could maybe make changes at the 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.159 last moment. As I'm kind of experienced, that is definitely 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.240 useful where a window is like, yeah, I can that. 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.280 That seems like something number one Technologically you could do 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.240 that more or less. Now, Um, I don't think it's 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.000 it's not gonna be as instantaneous as this, but if 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:05.879 you give it time to render, it could be done. 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.560 And it it's something that a number of people might 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.119 find useful. But again, that's a niche product because like 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.360 eighteen people in our generation are going homes. I mean yeah. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.119 And also it's it's it's expensive to develop because you 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.800 would have just modeling an actual real life location is 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.080 a lot of work. Um. Now, there is there is 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:26.720 a lot of a lot of technology that's getting way 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.879 better at it by machine, um and like basically filming 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.760 a space and and the computer can reconstruct it pretty accurately. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.320 Uh that that that is a growing field, but still 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.439 it is. It's a very niche, you know area, at 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:43.320 least at a Yeah. So the thing that is so anyway, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.320 there's aspects of this that are ridiculous, aspects of this 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.159 that seem neat. But the longer you watch it, the 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.280 thing that comes becomes really clear is that all he's 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:56.720 really advertising is mass surveillance. Yeah. Yeah, there's a point 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.040 in this video where they're showing you how they can 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.680 like map a real world location so you can be 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.560 in your actual house, put on your VR glasses, um, 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.600 and it can map the your actual home digitally in 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.800 real time. And as you and as you pick up 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.840 real things in your house, you you see them being 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.119 picked up in VR and presumably other people in the 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.080 VR could see it. Which we are not quite there yet. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.000 I stay pretty here in VR technology, we're getting close 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:23.800 to this, but we're not We're not quite there. I 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.280 mean we're we're we're actually we actually are where what 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.240 they show in the video, And I'm gonna play you 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.080 a second from it because I want to show you 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.920 something at least, I mean, like like consumer products. We're 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.040 not We're not at this point yet. Yeah, and I 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.919 want to show you, uh where we are because this 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.280 video they're showing like actual footage. So they have built 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.240 this thing. But there's a catch, and so I'm just 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:48.000 gonna play it right now, right out the researcher. So 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.040 what's critical here is that this is all happening in 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.159 real time. So if you I've just paused it, well 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:55.720 you've got here. On one side, there's a woman in 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.600 a real like house, sitting and picking up like a 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.200 toy home on her couch. And then on the left 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.360 you see the VR version of her house, which looks 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.720 close to photo realistic, and like the house that she's 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:08.680 holding in the real world is floating in the same 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.640 way that she's holding it, like her body isn't there, 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:12.960 like the stuff she's interacting with is. But if you 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.040 look at the house she's holding, the reason that they're 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:16.520 able to do this and it really does work is 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.680 it's covered in sensors. And and and actually every single thing 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.240 in the real house is covered in sensors because that's 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.720 the only way for this to work. Moving is covered 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.159 in sensors. Yeah, yeah, and it it is impressive, like 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.400 as a proof of concept, like this, this is here, 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.920 we can do this, but like it's still light years 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.240 away from practical and more to the point, when you 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.719 look at this, you realize that, like, well, if this 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.240 is ever going to work, the only way to make 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:43.600 it work is for Facebook, through this service, to map 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:49.000 your entire home in real time, every hour of day. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:50.960 And they also go on to talk about like how 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.320 you're gonna have just your commands and like you'll be 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.600 able to like make an expression or like a hand 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:57.920 gesture and that will do things, which means that like 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.239 this service isn't just learning what's in your home and 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:02.880 what you do with the things in your home. It's 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.919 it's learning your facial expressions and your gestures and like 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:19.240 what they mean and interpreting those at all times. I 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.320 can kind of explain where oculus which is over Facebook. 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.920 I think they're technically renaming oculus spring to just calling 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.960 it the metic quest. But what wait wait wait, the 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.480 medical quest that that that's that's what they're calling it 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.720 instead of instead of oculus um, So where where that 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:42.520 right now? Is basically uh, the only kind of real 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.240 world interactivity that they have for their VR headsets. Again 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:47.960 for like the consumer models, I don't know what's in 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.399 link development. UM is hand tracking. This this is the 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:52.879 thing they've been working on for a long time. Is 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.399 that you put on the headset and the camera like 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.280 the cameras and depth sensors built into the headset can 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.399 see your hands and like you said, you have like 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.120 gesture controls where you can do certain things in your 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:05.440 hand and it will make certain things happen. This is 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:09.520 the only interactivity that that we have. It's okay, it's 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:11.600 not perfect, like it's it is. It is better than 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.120 a lot of the other hand tracking systems from other companies, 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:16.360 but like it's it's it is very much a work 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.840 in progress. UM. And the way to make this work 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.960 is by is very good depth sensing cameras, which I 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:24.840 think Apple makes some of the best ones right now 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.320 that they put into the iPhone. UH. The other way 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.000 of doing this is with lighthouses. So this is like 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:35.120 separate UM separate like UH, separate cameras that you set 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.479 up around the corners of your house that project different 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.200 like wavelengths of light and they get it received back 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:43.879 so they can map your house um, with not just 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.359 cameras but also like like in like infrared sensors and 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.000 that kind of thing. So these are these are like 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.560 the two methods of doing it. Uh. Facebook is really 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.400 trying to go full on, full on to the everything 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:57.919 is built into the headset thing. So no, so no, 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.920 like lighthouses, everything is just depth depth sensing cameras. So 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.280 that's why they're working on hand tracking so much, because 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:05.800 that's something you can actually do. But like I can't 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:09.159 pick up anything. Um, the only thing I can pick 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.000 up is my controllers, which because they they have centers 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:14.240 built in, they can be rendered in the actual game 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.280 the same way like my hand can be. So that 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.600 that that's where they're at. For that for the consumer 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.920 products get more than it's getting developed. Again, where they're at, 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:24.760 you think about what Facebook has already done with the 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.040 information you provided, and how so much of their money 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:30.720 comes from selling your data. Um, the only way for 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:34.399 this to work that they've they've passed are always watching 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:39.000 everything every moment of your existence, including like your micro expressions, 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.560 which is why I keep my oculence in the tiny 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:46.320 little box. And here's the thing. If they were to 0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:49.480 actually develop the technology which I don't think is impossible, 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:53.119 although it's not particularly close. Um, it's not going to 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.040 be cheap to store all that. So in order to 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.000 make it outside, well, it's going to be cloud based. 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.280 But in order to make it like cloud isn't free, 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:07.159 UM subscription probably, I think you'll pay some, but I 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.320 think in order to make it affordable, um, so that 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.879 more people are on it, they're just going to sell 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.720 your data in a way that has never been in 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.199 a and and the government will have access to it. 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.720 Like it is. It's actually like the thing that he 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.159 is actually proposing here is I want to build a 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.040 machine god that knows your sins, like that knows when 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.000 your heart rate is elevated, knows what in your like 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.760 before you smile, that can predict like when you're about 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:37.000 to make a gesture or laugh, because it is so 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:42.360 accurately mapped your body and motions. Um, it's actually a nightmare. 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.760 Like when you really think about what he is trying 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:46.919 to build here, and it's like, well, what, what's what 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.960 what's the actual use case for this? And it's like, well, okay, 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:51.240 so you haven't. You have a bunch of supposed to 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.320 forces guys, you put them in a VR thing and 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:55.119 then you know, you can you can you can you 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.159 can have them drill on knowing exactly where all the 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.679 rooms in the houses, where everyone is in, where everyone 0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:03.159 is in a house any given time. It's like, oh, hey, 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.160 this this is gonna be great. This is yeah, it's 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.560 it's great. Yeah, it's it's really cool. Um, they have 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.560 a So there is a little bit here briefly about 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:16.480 where like Mark talks about how the last year or 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:20.240 so has been um fucking uh. The term he uses 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:24.520 is humbling for them. Oh god, yeah, and you you 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:27.359 kind of think that, like he's about to say that, like, oh, 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:32.400 because we we made life dramatically worse and our service 0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:36.040 was integral in several ethnic cleansings and a couple of 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:39.439 civil wars and like hate crimes on a scale that 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.919 was unimaginable before it really came into being, or that 0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:44.760 we thought had been at least we thought had been 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.320 consigned to a century or so ago before Facebook came 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.240 into being. But no, that's not why it's humbling. Why 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.720 he says it's been humbling is that Facebook has been 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.760 developing services for other platforms like the App Store, where 0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.440 they don't have total control, and that sucks. And that's 0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.600 like the thing that that's the that's him admitting a 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:02.119 little bit that like a big part of this is 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.880 they're trying to build a service the entire Internet gets 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.760 filtered through that they completely control, so that they are 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:12.200 never in anyone else's wheelhouse, Like everything is done through Facebook, 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:17.080 and with Facebook's approval as opposed to them, they face Facebook. 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.520 Facebook is going to become the state. Yeah, and that's 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:22.479 the thing that it says so much about Mark that 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.520 he's like, what's humbling. Isn't all of the mistakes I've made. 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:29.639 It's that periodically I have not had total control. Um, 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.680 it's great. Um. He then from immediately from this says 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.080 that if we all work at it, all of us, 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.280 the metaverse can reach a billion people by the next 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:43.160 decade um, which is very funny. Um that he thinks 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:48.000 that that's like an enticing fucking thing. So one of 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.439 the use cases they try to present is they have 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:53.719 a beauty influencer who like made like a fucking candle 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:56.679 line or something, uh, that she's sold on Instagram and 0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:58.960 she's she's very successful in Instagram. They bring this lady 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:00.800 in and number one on as soon as they started 0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:03.560 interviewing her. It's it's it's what I was saying about. 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:05.520 You have a hire a celebrity to do this, Mark, 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.520 You're not charismatic. She's immediately the most engaging person in 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.280 the entire presentation because she's a successful in like, she's 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.399 someone who understands how she appears on camera, how to 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.520 make herself seem likable on camera, how to like interact 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.760 with the world on a camera. And nobody else in 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:23.080 this video understands that. Um, which is just funny. It's 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.399 not particularly like say anything other than that, Like, you 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:29.840 have professionals do difficult things, Mark, don't don't hire your weird, 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.080 gawky engineering staff to like be the faces of this thing. 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:36.280 They're not good at this, and neither are you. I 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:37.880 just want to point out. So he said that, like 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.000 he can get one billion people the next decade. So 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:45.080 far there's only been sixteen million Vier headsets sold. Ever, Yeah, 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.520 so getting that to the point of a billion seems 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:52.520 like quite quite the challenge. I mean, it is a challenge, 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.520 but you could look at like how quickly smartphones went 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.480 from Yeah, except smartphones were useful in improving the world 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.200 in very obvious ways, whereas the metaverse and even be 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.440 our in general doesn't improve the world for most people 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:05.600 in obvious ways. Yeah, but that that's kind of what 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:08.360 I'm saying, is that, like, the thing that is stupid 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.480 and doomed about this isn't like, oh, you would have 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.160 to sell so many headsets. If it was legitimately something 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:16.240 every single person wanted on their head, they would sell 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:17.880 a billion. They would sell a billion in a couple 0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:21.000 of years, you know. Um, but they haven't made that 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.199 look like like so this this beauty influencer thing is 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:27.160 an example of them trying to like explain, here's something 0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.159 that people will find cool about the metaverse, um, and 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:31.679 the way they do it is like talking about how 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.240 you can have a digital storefront where like people can't 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.000 just buy products, but they can interact with you. Um. 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:38.680 She talks about how it will be good for letting 0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:40.720 her interact with their fans, but like bringing them into 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:45.719 my home, which sounds like a fucking we love our fans, 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.840 but like, no, I do not want anyone from anybody 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:53.360 goddamn home. I barely want my friends in my home 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:57.680 half the time, like absolutely not. Um, they didn't present 0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:59.640 us with a use case of how a brand in 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.040 this case, this candle company this lady made that's big 0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.400 on Instagram could release like a new candle flavor and 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:06.880 launch a digital experience with it, so you can buy 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.720 both real and digital products. It's kind of unclear in 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:11.880 the video whether or not you're paying for the digital 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:14.080 experience or is it like free when you buy the 0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:17.360 candle um. Yeah, it's like I think games is like 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.320 developing is like, you know, dropping products at the same 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:22.680 time in the real world in the digital world, but 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.720 like the digital version is free because it's like because 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.120 it's like an ad, right, you could try something out 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.840 virtually before you buy it physically. And that's what like 0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.840 Epic Games is doing. And honestly, I think epics version 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:36.280 of the Metavors is slightly more hinged. They understand more 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.800 what people actually want. Yeah, because like all the stuff 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.480 they're trying with Fortnite again, it doesn't seem fun for me, 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:43.680 but at least it's like an extension of how people 0:29:43.760 --> 0:29:48.520 use the Internet already, whereas Facebook's is not that. Yeah, 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:52.520 and and Mark never really understood what people wanted. He 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:56.600 accidentally did basically make something else like he wanted a 0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.440 place to share pictures of ladies he thought was hot, 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:02.240 and he accidentally built a thing that like gave people 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:03.840 something they did one, which was a way to stay 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.080 in contact with their friends from high school in college 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.200 as they grew older. Right, Like that was the thing 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.320 about Facebook that made it get huge originally. Um, and 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.080 he hasn't learned anything since he's just been smart. He's 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.160 he's hired people who are smart enough to be like, hey, 0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:18.080 Instagram is probably gonna be a big deal by that, 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.760 you know, um like that that, But I haven't seen 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.960 anything that's made me think like Mark gets what people want, 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:27.520 and this has just made it clear that like he 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:29.800 absolutely doesn't. So I want to play this video of 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.479 like this is the digital experience to go with this 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.480 fucking candle that they're they're framing is like a piece 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.840 of art that everybody's gonna want to interact with who 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:42.120 likes candles. It's it's incredible because it again feels like 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:44.320 a nightmare. I am. I am a big candle fan. 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:48.760 So same here what I fly effect to transports us 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:58.160 something to magic. It's like a shitty arboretum. I don't 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.520 do what what that has to do with candle's It's 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.959 Jackie as we walk through this amazing world. I just 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:09.000 feel like this is like endless possibilities of my imaginations. 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.720 I can't even begin to imagine. But I don't understand 0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.600 what has that to do with candles? Yeah, like they 0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:19.280 have again, like there's I can walk around, Like why 0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:21.520 can't we can to imagine all the things people are 0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.720 going to I can walk around digital spaces and like 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:26.360 quest it's again, it's fun for like thirty seconds, and 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:27.880 then you see everything and you're like, well, I can't 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:29.680 touch it or smell it or actually feel it or 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.680 do anything. So I'm gonna go back and have a 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.960 soda and yeah play and like read a book or 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.280 something like that. And they've brought in this influencer who 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.640 like used one of their other services in a way 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.360 they hadn't initially intended and was successful in that, which 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.160 is not a bad idea in its surface, Like, yeah, 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.880 bring in creative people and let them play around and 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.920 make something new to show people how exciting this is. Right, 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.560 that's the smart thing to do. But all they've presented 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.440 is like, look, it's a tiny little weird arboretum. You 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.480 can walk around and after buying a candle and like, well, 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.800 I like candles, but that's not fun. That doesn't sound 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:07.200 like a part of the metaverse is like making like 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:12.120 interactivity more like being able to interact with with digital things, 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:14.200 and like that's not interacting. That's just walking around like 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:17.560 unless I can like take of like a bazooka and 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:22.160 blow up our like the candle, you know, like that's 0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:24.680 like you have to do something like all of the 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.120 VR games that are fun, like like like like like 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.200 a super Hot or something like something. It's about, you know, 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.920 picking up objects in VR and throwing them at people. 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.480 That's fun and you like also unless I can pick 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:37.000 up this candle and it's all people with it in 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.239 the game, I don't see what really the dry like, 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:43.520 what's what's exciting about this? You were saying something, Chris, Oh, 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.040 I guess you know. The thing I keep coming back 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:47.600 to with this is it the only way this and 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:49.760 this literally any of this makes any sense if it's 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:53.080 just like a chip in your brain just because all 0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:54.320 of it, all of it is built around that. But 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:56.080 it's but it's not like it can't be like we 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.200 don't the technology for that won't exist for like ages 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:00.240 and so there it's like it's it's like they're they're 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.080 selling some of it definitely is headset based, like that 0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.400 arboretum thing, but a lot of it. But even yeah, 0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:09.320 but like i mean I think even that right, like okay, 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:11.600 so why would you want like yeah, you're if you're saying, 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.800 like why would you It's like, okay, it's interesting for 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.880 like ten minutes, right, yeah. The only way that would 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:18.640 be like, the only way that would be an actually 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:20.479 interesting experience is if you could get all the full 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.920 century experience you can smell and feel, yeah, right, and 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:24.600 that that's that's that's like, that's that's the thing where 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:26.640 something only makes sense if it's like a brain ship. Well, 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.000 I mean there's there's two versions. There's one it's a 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.320 brain ship, or two it's a video game. And Epic 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:32.040 Games is doing the thing where it's a video game 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:35.760 and that's slightly more y. Yeah yeah, but like they 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:39.160 don't you know, but they're they're trying to sell, like 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:40.880 and I think part of what's going on here is 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:45.120 also just like this is this is designed to like 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:48.320 like this is designed to like trick Silicon Valley investors. 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.640 That is like yeah, and those people I think are 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:54.920 just gonna be like, oh well, we'll have brain ships eventually, 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.160 and so we'll just we'll talk about probably talk about 0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:58.840 that part more at the end, because yeah, this is 0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:01.600 just a scam. This is just a scam, and it 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.320 is like again to talk about like the dystopian aspects 0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:05.840 of this, Chris, as you brought up. One of the 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:09.600 aspects is that like it's a complete panopticon of perfect 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:11.839 surveillance if they actually make this thing, and number two 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:13.839 is the only way to do most of what they're 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.560 talking about that's cool is to give Mark Zuckerberg physical 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.760 control over human being's brain chemistry on a global scale, 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:22.719 which I think it is a bad I'm not going 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.080 to sign up for that for that. I don't I 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.560 don't want to walk around in a weird candle room 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:32.239 that badly. Like to your point, Chris about like how 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.759 it's you know, there's no sensory stuff. Is like like 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.839 the most popular VR games, the reason why they work 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:39.440 so well, there's why that they don't, like Break the 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.839 Uncanny Valley is because you're in like a barren land, 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:44.080 like you know, the Saber, You're not in a place 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.080 you know, you're in the in the game interface for 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:50.960 like for Super Hot you're in like whitewashed, abstract like 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:54.000 concrete spaces, right, so like there's nothing, there is nothing 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:55.680 to smell or feels like you don't feel like you're 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.319 missing anything because you're in a very like stripped down 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.080 version of reality. There is. It's a really good of 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:02.839 yr game. I forget what it's called, but it's it's 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.160 based on like an office and you're like fighting robots 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.480 to break out of like this capitalist office room. And 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.120 it's cool because like, yeah, it's miserable because it's like 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:11.680 it's like an office space. You feel like you're in 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:14.680 an office because it's nothing about it's exciting right there. 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.680 Games that are in like lush worlds they feel so 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.399 much more like disconnected because you have like a weird 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:21.400 like you have you have like you have like an 0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.840 uncanny valley thing, but instead of like a face or 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:36.600 a person, it's like an environment. We're running a long time. 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:37.880 I want to move to something that I think is 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.560 important here, which is there is one moment in this 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.360 video where they try to address the fact that they've 0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.520 done a tremendous amount of damage to the world and 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:50.400 they have repeatedly failed to like uh, anticipate dangers that 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:52.279 their services have, so they need to like deal with 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:53.719 that at some point. And this is like, well, what 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:55.879 about if, like what about bad things that could happen? 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.200 What if like what about like unintended things? What about 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.000 like ways in which this could be harmful to society 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.760 that you haven't foreseen. So, because they're not completely stupid, 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:06.440 in order to address that, they bring on a well 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.880 dressed or not well dressed, but they bring on like 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:12.400 a friendly British man who kind of kind of reads 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.319 as like a like a scientific kind of expert guy. 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.919 They bring on a charming British person to like talk 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.800 about how they're going to not not destroy the world. 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.239 And this is very telling so far. It's it's such 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:27.640 visionary stuff. But as you mentioned early on, with all 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.759 big technological advances, there are inever to be going to 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.200 be in all sorts of challenges and uncertainties. And I 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.880 know you've talked about this a bit already, but people 0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:38.759 want to know how we're going to do all this 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:41.839 in a responsible way, and especially that we play our 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.600 part in helping to keep people safe and protect their 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:48.680 privacy online. Yeah, that's right. This is incredibly important. The 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:50.960 way I look at it, is that in the past, 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:55.280 the speed that new technologies emerged sometimes left policy makers 0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:58.480 and regulators playing catch up. So on the one hand, 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.680 companies get accused of charging ahead too quickly, and on 0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.799 the other tech people feel that progress can't afford to 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:08.560 wait for the slower pace of regulation. And I really 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.640 think that it doesn't have to be the case this 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.799 time around, because we have years until the metaverse we 0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.120 envision is fully realized. So this is the start of 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:22.200 the journey, not the end. So that's telling uh that 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.120 he's like, we don't need to worry about like we 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:29.880 don't need it. Like it'll be it'll get regulated properly, 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:31.759 it'll be safe enough because it's going to take so 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.240 long to figure all this out that surely we will 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.239 anticipate and deal with all of the potentially toxic side 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.319 effects of this technology ahead of time. Um. And if 0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:42.160 you believe that, I would say, take a look at 0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:46.319 Facebook's track record with that kind of thing. Um. But 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.680 they are smart and having a charming British man do it, 0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.800 that's the right guy to have in the only aspect 0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:53.640 of good casting in this that is the right guy 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.000 to have come on and try to allay people's fears 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.360 that this will destroy society. You bring you bring a 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:01.400 charming British man in, you know, that's how you do 0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:05.080 that kind of thing. Um, that's when I get canceled 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.719 for the things I've been doing overseas. Um, I'm going 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.359 to hire a British person to defend myself. Do they 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.040 make any more comments about like a R glasses or 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.239 VR quite a few. I wanted to move on to that. 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:20.320 Um even though yeah, we're so um they talk about 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:23.080 they have a whole section where they're they're talking about 0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.960 the actual glasses they have. So they announced the number one. 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.399 They have a project. The goal, as he repeatedly says, 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:32.120 is to make a quote normal, good looking pair of 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:36.319 glasses that do all this stuff, which is um and 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.360 he he does in order as like approve of concept, 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:40.800 he shows us these a R ray bands that actually 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.600 look legitimately rad They look like normal at least the 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.160 privn't touched a pair of these in my hands. But 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.920 the the the videos that are supposed to be these 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:50.960 real products show a pair of what looked like normal 0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:53.080 ray bands that you can take pictures and videos with, 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.040 You can answer phone calls on, you can do like 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.799 video phone calls on the actually that they seem neat 0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.879 and like they look like normal glasses. Um, and that 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:05.480 is pretty cool. Um. They go kind of pivot from 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:07.600 that to announcing that like they have this new thing, 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:11.719 project nizar um which I looked up what nazarre means 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:15.040 a little bit ago. It's probably dystopian. Uh no, I 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.920 think it was just yeah, uh, it's a town or 0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:20.520 it's a surf spot, right, it's a place and I 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.640 think Portugal where there's like great waves and Mark Zuckerberg 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:25.359 is really into surfing. He plays a surfing game at 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.240 one point in this That is one of the most 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.120 um embarrassing things. Embarrassing thing because I've seen in my 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:34.920 entire fucking life. Um. But yeah, so Project nazar is 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:36.440 that they're supposed to be like the first true like 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.640 VR glasses. So they do the good thing, which is 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:41.799 like here's the real technology, these ray bands and look, 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.920 these are pretty neat. Obviously that doesn't come close to 0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:48.120 what they're promising. Um. And this whole thing where they 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.160 talk about what the glasses, which they say they're making 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.399 good progress on, are going to do, we don't ever 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:58.560 see any fucking glasses. Um. Yeah. And and that's because 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:03.759 they're not really close uh to to working yet. That's 0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.080 the air glasses are gonna be the way to act. 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:11.360 Like if the goal is to integrate digital spaces into 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.120 the physical space, I think I think it's a good 0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:15.040 goal because what that's gonna do, that's gonna make the 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.920 digital space less fake, right, It's injecting that into the 0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.239 actual real world. So I think that will actually really 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.520 help with like dis associate of stuff is because it's 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.560 actually in it's actually in the real world as well. 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.000 I think that's gonna be wonderful when that gets developed. 0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:29.800 And I think the glasses are are definitely going to 0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:31.560 be a thing within the next ten to twenty years. 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:35.160 There is ways of like illuminating glass on the side 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.520 to make like like what it looks like an image. 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.239 This is definitely gonna be a thing that's going to 0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:44.000 be possible. Like surveillance and privacy is like the big 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:47.800 big fears for that because we're nowhere close to hacking 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.640 the brain enough to feel sensations and like the only 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.040 thing I've played a lot of VR, the only thing 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.040 that you can feel in VR is fear. That's the 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.200 only thing that VR is capable of replicating as as 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.200 a feeling. It's like, you can feel terrified and VR 0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.960 that's that's, that's it. You can't never look like there's 0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:09.640 one thing you can feel exhausted game. And I was 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:12.000 doing like bow draws for like four hours, and I 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.279 was like, we've we've developed the way to make you 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.960 frightened and tired. That is, which is all, by the way, 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:21.879 what Twitter does normally. It's true, all of like all 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.239 of like the Resident Evil VR games. Yeah, they're gonna 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:27.040 making you tired and terrified, and that's kind of it. 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.319 So we we have to close out. But I want 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.840 to do that by playing Mark Zuckerberg lamenting the Internet 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.080 that he played a major role in in building as 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.840 a way to talk about why we need a metaverse, 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.840 because it's kind of funny because we're allowed to build 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:43.160 and use are more tightly controlled than ever, and high 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:47.839 taxes on creative new ideas are stifling. This is not 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:51.520 the way that we were met to use technology. The 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:58.080 metaverse gives us an opportunity, but it's gonna take all 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:03.000 of us creators, develop oper's companies of all sizes together. 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.239 We can finally put people at the center of our 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.759 technology and deliver an experience where we are present with 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:15.719 each other. Yeah, what what a Google? Like? All of 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.320 that's nonsense. Everyone, You're not You're one of the people 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:20.760 who has turned the Internet into an expensive walled garden. 0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:23.480 It didn't used to be this way. Then Facebook swooped 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:28.040 in made themselves for free um like integral to all content, 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.640 and then started charging those content creators and like sucking 0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:32.319 them around and lying to them, which led to the 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.560 destruction of a huge number of websites and a tremendous 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.560 amount of digital culture. Like your Wyatt feels like a 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.480 dead waled garden, and everything you've presented in this video 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:43.160 makes the metaverse feel like a dead waled garden. But 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.560 I want to play his last lines in the in 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.080 this video because this is him kind of summing up 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:52.680 his vision for the future via the metaverse. And now 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.279 it is time to take everything that we've learned and 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:59.520 help build the next chapter. I am dedicating our energy 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.080 to this than any other company in the world. And 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.080 if this is the future that you want to see, 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.080 then I hope that you will join us, because the 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.920 future is going to be beyond anything we can imagine. 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.520 I agree with that part Mark the future is going 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.080 to be beyond what you can imagine. What a gool, yeah, 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:19.160 because you have no im It's just it's just using 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:23.080 trendy tech terms to trick investors into giving them billions 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:25.520 of dollars. That's like the right, that's that's all it 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.280 is because all of this, like this like haptic feedback 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.399 replicating like human feelings and stuff, that we're nowhere close 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:33.680 to that, and when we do, it's going to be 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:36.120 a dystopian but we're not close to it, and it's 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:40.000 going to be dystopian or it's going to be better 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.680 in ways that like we can't yet conceive of um 0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:46.719 and then eventually it will be destroyed for profit if 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.440 it actually gets cool like the old Internet was. Yeah, 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.000 it's yeah, it's it's yeah. But I think but both 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:54.960 this and even a lot like a lot of the 0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:59.240 epic stuff just seems Ah, it's just the new way 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.920 that tech companies. That's where they think the money vault 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.640 is is by using these terms, and they think using 0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:07.439 these terms is going to get them lots of extra 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.879 investor money because the actual technology is nowhere really close 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:12.520 to this that it's not what people wanted out of 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:16.520 the Internet. Anyway, it absolutely is not. But I don't know, 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:20.239 I think this was important. I think Facebook is important 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.720 and has a major impact on the way the Internet 0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:27.000 is continuing to evolve. Um, usually in negative ways. But 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.600 this is how these people who are doing a lot 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:32.200 of damage view the future. So you should know what 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:34.799 they're looking at and what they anticipate. But I think 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:36.640 I think that there's a kind of optimistic note to 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:39.960 this though, right, was just like, Okay, so we've we've 0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:43.759 reached the point where like even like Boris Johnson is 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:47.719 going like, oh god, climate change is coming, right, and 0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:53.160 this is the best they've got, right they have they 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:57.440 have nothing, They have nothing, And you know what, I think, like, 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:00.520 what are the only ways we can win is if 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:04.200 we're facing a uniquely incompetent ruling class, and if it's 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:05.719 if the rule, if the if the guy were, if 0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:07.279 a guy we have to deal with in order to 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:11.399 like not drown every single whale and like have half 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:13.480 of the world's city is consumed, but the ocean is 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:20.600 Mark Zuckerberg like, we got a shot some smarter people 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.640 that are yeah that this is not mind the scenes, right, 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:28.160 Like yeah, um, but I I don't think I think 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:30.279 That's a nice note to end on because it is 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.279 it is worth The nice thing about this is how 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:36.000 clearly they don't understand what the future is going to 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.799 look like online. Um, they have ways in which they're 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.040 trying to direct the future, and aspects of that will 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:45.200 come true, like the VR will succeed in some form 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.320 at some point and it will be potentially an unprecedented 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:54.320 surveillance breakthrough that has some unsettling implications and better steps 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:55.960 getting developed a lot of other stuff. I think the 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:58.719 move by Twitter to create like this, like it's called 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:01.799 like like Twitter Space where it's like this like you know, 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.239 basically like voice chat room. Like a lot of people 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.040 are moving towards this concept where we try to like 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:10.880 inject more like in person interactivity into this virtual framework, right. 0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:13.279 Which how this with like with like a clubhouse last 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:15.880 year during during the pandemic where people like watching like 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.600 Netflix in the quote same room, right, Like, We're seeing 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.840 people try to do this with varying mixed success. But 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.279 this is the way tech is is inching. So it 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:25.560 is a good idea to keep your eye on it 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.000 because it has a lot of implications for like clevacy 0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.640 and advertising and all that kind of stuff. We'll continue 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.120 to cover aspects of this, talk about the technology, talk 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:36.440 about the surveillance implications, talk about the visions these people have. 0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:39.000 But I think this has been these episodes have been 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.080 useful and like, here's what Mark thinks is coming, Here's 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:44.040 what Facebook is pouring, like ten billion dollars into it's 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:50.960 dumbest shit. Have a nice day. It could Happen Here 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:53.640 is a production of cool Zone Media. 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