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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It could happen here the show where we're

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Speaker 1: talking right now about the metaverse that a bunch of

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Speaker 1: rich people think that you're going to want to live

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Speaker 1: why it's dogshit and it is dogshit, so it's just

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just total dogshit. Um Everything about this,

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Speaker 1: to me so far if we're actually talking about like

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Speaker 1: a bunch of this is aspirational nonsense that as we've

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Speaker 1: stayed at this, like you are never going to play

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Speaker 1: a perfect game of basketball in a mix of real

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Speaker 1: Like that's never going to happen. Never. That's not how

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Speaker 1: physics works, that's not how electronics works. Maybe when we

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Speaker 1: find out how to literally hack the human brain, we

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Speaker 1: can like put you into a quasi seizure state that

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Speaker 1: that that that mimics that. But like the closest, the

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Speaker 1: closest thing we have to this right now is actually

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Speaker 1: uh VR board games is the best is the best

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Speaker 1: example of this, or you can play with you can

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Speaker 1: play Settlers of Catan with your friend, a classic across

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Speaker 1: the Yeah, and there's some cool ship you can do

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Speaker 1: with haptics and haptic feedback is like the basic example

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Speaker 1: there's there's people who think like at some point we

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Speaker 1: would be we may be able to make using haptic feedback,

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Speaker 1: that might be possible. That's still that's still like kind

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Speaker 1: to that, that's still on the fringes of possibility. Like this,

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Speaker 1: the fucking ship they're showing in this video is like nonsense.

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Speaker 1: We will have laser cannons before we have any of

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Speaker 1: this bullshit, Like we will be shooting each other in

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Speaker 1: space before we have this nonsense. Um, And thank god

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Speaker 1: for that because at least that sounds fun. So the

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Speaker 1: actual will center of what they've built in terms of

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Speaker 1: the products that that Facebook is launching now for the metaverse. UM.

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Speaker 1: The core of it is Horizon Home and Horizon Worlds,

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Speaker 1: and I think Horizon is kind of the brand they're

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Speaker 1: Horizon Home is the home spaces thing that they discussed earlier,

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Speaker 1: where people can like make their own like houses. And

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Speaker 1: one of the things they don't talk about in this

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Speaker 1: They keep saying like you can build whatever you want,

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Speaker 1: a word about how like decorating your digital home is

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Speaker 1: going to be monetized versus how much of it will

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Speaker 1: be sweat equity. And again, like the smart thing would

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Speaker 1: be make it all sweat equity, make it like Minecraft,

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Speaker 1: make people be able to build anything they can conceive

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Speaker 1: of if they're actually creative enough and spend the time.

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Speaker 1: They won't do that um as they talk about in that,

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Speaker 1: Like in the video they played like we're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna buy the cool ship. Um, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what You're gonna buy it, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: and it's like you can't go into bed, Like you can't,

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Speaker 1: Like all of this stuff is just cosmetic, Like it's

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Speaker 1: this ship. I don't want to hang out as a

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of that Facebook. I think he's he's

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Speaker 1: That's like, do you want to go to a free

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Speaker 1: after party? Um? And first off, all of these after

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Speaker 1: An do we always carry it around wherever we go? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The only they're fun is when you're in first suits

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Speaker 1: and you're walking around a fake city destroying it. That's

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Speaker 1: they have money and they can do actual fun things

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Speaker 1: they're they're not going to be hanging out in a

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Speaker 1: able to like make an expression or like a hand

429
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Speaker 1: gesture and that will do things, which means that like

430
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,239
Speaker 1: this service isn't just learning what's in your home and

431
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 1: what you do with the things in your home. It's

432
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 1: it's learning your facial expressions and your gestures and like

433
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: what they mean and interpreting those at all times. I

434
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 1: can kind of explain where oculus which is over Facebook.

435
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: I think they're technically renaming oculus spring to just calling

436
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: it the metic quest. But what wait wait wait, the

437
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 1: medical quest that that that's that's what they're calling it

438
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: instead of instead of oculus um, So where where that

439
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: right now? Is basically uh, the only kind of real

440
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: world interactivity that they have for their VR headsets. Again

441
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: for like the consumer models, I don't know what's in

442
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 1: link development. UM is hand tracking. This this is the

443
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: thing they've been working on for a long time. Is

444
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: that you put on the headset and the camera like

445
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: the cameras and depth sensors built into the headset can

446
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Speaker 1: see your hands and like you said, you have like

447
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: gesture controls where you can do certain things in your

448
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: hand and it will make certain things happen. This is

449
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: the only interactivity that that we have. It's okay, it's

450
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: not perfect, like it's it is. It is better than

451
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the other hand tracking systems from other companies,

452
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 1: but like it's it's it is very much a work

453
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: in progress. UM. And the way to make this work

454
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: is by is very good depth sensing cameras, which I

455
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: think Apple makes some of the best ones right now

456
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: that they put into the iPhone. UH. The other way

457
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: of doing this is with lighthouses. So this is like

458
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: separate UM separate like UH, separate cameras that you set

459
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 1: up around the corners of your house that project different

460
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: like wavelengths of light and they get it received back

461
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: so they can map your house um, with not just

462
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: cameras but also like like in like infrared sensors and

463
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So these are these are like

464
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: the two methods of doing it. Uh. Facebook is really

465
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: trying to go full on, full on to the everything

466
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: is built into the headset thing. So no, so no,

467
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: like lighthouses, everything is just depth depth sensing cameras. So

468
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: that's why they're working on hand tracking so much, because

469
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: that's something you can actually do. But like I can't

470
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: pick up anything. Um, the only thing I can pick

471
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: up is my controllers, which because they they have centers

472
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: built in, they can be rendered in the actual game

473
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: the same way like my hand can be. So that

474
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: that that's where they're at. For that for the consumer

475
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: products get more than it's getting developed. Again, where they're at,

476
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: you think about what Facebook has already done with the

477
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: information you provided, and how so much of their money

478
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: comes from selling your data. Um, the only way for

479
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: this to work that they've they've passed are always watching

480
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: everything every moment of your existence, including like your micro expressions,

481
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: which is why I keep my oculence in the tiny

482
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: little box. And here's the thing. If they were to

483
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: actually develop the technology which I don't think is impossible,

484
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: although it's not particularly close. Um, it's not going to

485
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: be cheap to store all that. So in order to

486
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: make it outside, well, it's going to be cloud based.

487
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: But in order to make it like cloud isn't free,

488
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: UM subscription probably, I think you'll pay some, but I

489
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: think in order to make it affordable, um, so that

490
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: more people are on it, they're just going to sell

491
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: your data in a way that has never been in

492
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 1: a and and the government will have access to it.

493
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: Like it is. It's actually like the thing that he

494
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: is actually proposing here is I want to build a

495
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: machine god that knows your sins, like that knows when

496
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: your heart rate is elevated, knows what in your like

497
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: before you smile, that can predict like when you're about

498
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: to make a gesture or laugh, because it is so

499
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: accurately mapped your body and motions. Um, it's actually a nightmare.

500
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: Like when you really think about what he is trying

501
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: to build here, and it's like, well, what, what's what

502
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: what's the actual use case for this? And it's like, well, okay,

503
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: so you haven't. You have a bunch of supposed to

504
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: forces guys, you put them in a VR thing and

505
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: then you know, you can you can you can you

506
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: can have them drill on knowing exactly where all the

507
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: rooms in the houses, where everyone is in, where everyone

508
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: is in a house any given time. It's like, oh, hey,

509
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: this this is gonna be great. This is yeah, it's

510
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: it's great. Yeah, it's it's really cool. Um, they have

511
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: a So there is a little bit here briefly about

512
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: where like Mark talks about how the last year or

513
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: so has been um fucking uh. The term he uses

514
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: is humbling for them. Oh god, yeah, and you you

515
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: kind of think that, like he's about to say that, like, oh,

516
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: because we we made life dramatically worse and our service

517
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: was integral in several ethnic cleansings and a couple of

518
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: civil wars and like hate crimes on a scale that

519
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: was unimaginable before it really came into being, or that

520
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: we thought had been at least we thought had been

521
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: consigned to a century or so ago before Facebook came

522
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: into being. But no, that's not why it's humbling. Why

523
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: he says it's been humbling is that Facebook has been

524
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: developing services for other platforms like the App Store, where

525
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: they don't have total control, and that sucks. And that's

526
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: like the thing that that's the that's him admitting a

527
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: little bit that like a big part of this is

528
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: they're trying to build a service the entire Internet gets

529
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: filtered through that they completely control, so that they are

530
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: never in anyone else's wheelhouse, Like everything is done through Facebook,

531
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: and with Facebook's approval as opposed to them, they face Facebook.

532
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: Facebook is going to become the state. Yeah, and that's

533
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: the thing that it says so much about Mark that

534
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: he's like, what's humbling. Isn't all of the mistakes I've made.

535
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: It's that periodically I have not had total control. Um,

536
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: it's great. Um. He then from immediately from this says

537
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: that if we all work at it, all of us,

538
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: the metaverse can reach a billion people by the next

539
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: decade um, which is very funny. Um that he thinks

540
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: that that's like an enticing fucking thing. So one of

541
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: the use cases they try to present is they have

542
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 1: a beauty influencer who like made like a fucking candle

543
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: line or something, uh, that she's sold on Instagram and

544
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: she's she's very successful in Instagram. They bring this lady

545
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: in and number one on as soon as they started

546
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: interviewing her. It's it's it's what I was saying about.

547
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: You have a hire a celebrity to do this, Mark,

548
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: You're not charismatic. She's immediately the most engaging person in

549
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: the entire presentation because she's a successful in like, she's

550
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: someone who understands how she appears on camera, how to

551
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: make herself seem likable on camera, how to like interact

552
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: with the world on a camera. And nobody else in

553
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: this video understands that. Um, which is just funny. It's

554
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: not particularly like say anything other than that, Like, you

555
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: have professionals do difficult things, Mark, don't don't hire your weird,

556
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: gawky engineering staff to like be the faces of this thing.

557
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: They're not good at this, and neither are you. I

558
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: just want to point out. So he said that, like

559
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: he can get one billion people the next decade. So

560
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: far there's only been sixteen million Vier headsets sold. Ever, Yeah,

561
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: so getting that to the point of a billion seems

562
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: like quite quite the challenge. I mean, it is a challenge,

563
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: but you could look at like how quickly smartphones went

564
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: from Yeah, except smartphones were useful in improving the world

565
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: in very obvious ways, whereas the metaverse and even be

566
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: our in general doesn't improve the world for most people

567
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: in obvious ways. Yeah, but that that's kind of what

568
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, is that, like, the thing that is stupid

569
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: and doomed about this isn't like, oh, you would have

570
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: to sell so many headsets. If it was legitimately something

571
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: every single person wanted on their head, they would sell

572
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: a billion. They would sell a billion in a couple

573
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: of years, you know. Um, but they haven't made that

574
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: look like like so this this beauty influencer thing is

575
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: an example of them trying to like explain, here's something

576
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: that people will find cool about the metaverse, um, and

577
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: the way they do it is like talking about how

578
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: you can have a digital storefront where like people can't

579
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: just buy products, but they can interact with you. Um.

580
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: She talks about how it will be good for letting

581
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: her interact with their fans, but like bringing them into

582
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 1: my home, which sounds like a fucking we love our fans,

583
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: but like, no, I do not want anyone from anybody

584
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: goddamn home. I barely want my friends in my home

585
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: half the time, like absolutely not. Um, they didn't present

586
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: us with a use case of how a brand in

587
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: this case, this candle company this lady made that's big

588
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: on Instagram could release like a new candle flavor and

589
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: launch a digital experience with it, so you can buy

590
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: both real and digital products. It's kind of unclear in

591
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: the video whether or not you're paying for the digital

592
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: experience or is it like free when you buy the

593
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: candle um. Yeah, it's like I think games is like

594
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: developing is like, you know, dropping products at the same

595
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: time in the real world in the digital world, but

596
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: like the digital version is free because it's like because

597
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: it's like an ad, right, you could try something out

598
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: virtually before you buy it physically. And that's what like

599
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: Epic Games is doing. And honestly, I think epics version

600
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: of the Metavors is slightly more hinged. They understand more

601
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: what people actually want. Yeah, because like all the stuff

602
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: they're trying with Fortnite again, it doesn't seem fun for me,

603
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: but at least it's like an extension of how people

604
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: use the Internet already, whereas Facebook's is not that. Yeah,

605
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: and and Mark never really understood what people wanted. He

606
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: accidentally did basically make something else like he wanted a

607
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: place to share pictures of ladies he thought was hot,

608
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: and he accidentally built a thing that like gave people

609
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: something they did one, which was a way to stay

610
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: in contact with their friends from high school in college

611
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: as they grew older. Right, Like that was the thing

612
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: about Facebook that made it get huge originally. Um, and

613
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: he hasn't learned anything since he's just been smart. He's

614
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: he's hired people who are smart enough to be like, hey,

615
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: Instagram is probably gonna be a big deal by that,

616
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, um like that that, But I haven't seen

617
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: anything that's made me think like Mark gets what people want,

618
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: and this has just made it clear that like he

619
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: absolutely doesn't. So I want to play this video of

620
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: like this is the digital experience to go with this

621
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: fucking candle that they're they're framing is like a piece

622
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: of art that everybody's gonna want to interact with who

623
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: likes candles. It's it's incredible because it again feels like

624
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: a nightmare. I am. I am a big candle fan.

625
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: So same here what I fly effect to transports us

626
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: something to magic. It's like a shitty arboretum. I don't

627
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: do what what that has to do with candle's It's

628
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: Jackie as we walk through this amazing world. I just

629
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: feel like this is like endless possibilities of my imaginations.

630
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: I can't even begin to imagine. But I don't understand

631
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: what has that to do with candles? Yeah, like they

632
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: have again, like there's I can walk around, Like why

633
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: can't we can to imagine all the things people are

634
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: going to I can walk around digital spaces and like

635
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: quest it's again, it's fun for like thirty seconds, and

636
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: then you see everything and you're like, well, I can't

637
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: touch it or smell it or actually feel it or

638
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: do anything. So I'm gonna go back and have a

639
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: soda and yeah play and like read a book or

640
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: something like that. And they've brought in this influencer who

641
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: like used one of their other services in a way

642
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: they hadn't initially intended and was successful in that, which

643
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: is not a bad idea in its surface, Like, yeah,

644
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: bring in creative people and let them play around and

645
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: make something new to show people how exciting this is. Right,

646
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: that's the smart thing to do. But all they've presented

647
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: is like, look, it's a tiny little weird arboretum. You

648
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: can walk around and after buying a candle and like, well,

649
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: I like candles, but that's not fun. That doesn't sound

650
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: like a part of the metaverse is like making like

651
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: interactivity more like being able to interact with with digital things,

652
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: and like that's not interacting. That's just walking around like

653
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: unless I can like take of like a bazooka and

654
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: blow up our like the candle, you know, like that's

655
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: like you have to do something like all of the

656
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: VR games that are fun, like like like like like

657
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: a super Hot or something like something. It's about, you know,

658
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: picking up objects in VR and throwing them at people.

659
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: That's fun and you like also unless I can pick

660
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: up this candle and it's all people with it in

661
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 1: the game, I don't see what really the dry like,

662
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: what's what's exciting about this? You were saying something, Chris, Oh,

663
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: I guess you know. The thing I keep coming back

664
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: to with this is it the only way this and

665
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: this literally any of this makes any sense if it's

666
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: just like a chip in your brain just because all

667
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: of it, all of it is built around that. But

668
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: it's but it's not like it can't be like we

669
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: don't the technology for that won't exist for like ages

670
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: and so there it's like it's it's like they're they're

671
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: selling some of it definitely is headset based, like that

672
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: arboretum thing, but a lot of it. But even yeah,

673
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: but like i mean I think even that right, like okay,

674
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: so why would you want like yeah, you're if you're saying,

675
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: like why would you It's like, okay, it's interesting for

676
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: like ten minutes, right, yeah. The only way that would

677
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: be like, the only way that would be an actually

678
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: interesting experience is if you could get all the full

679
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: century experience you can smell and feel, yeah, right, and

680
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: that that's that's that's like, that's that's the thing where

681
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: something only makes sense if it's like a brain ship. Well,

682
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's two versions. There's one it's a

683
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: brain ship, or two it's a video game. And Epic

684
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: Games is doing the thing where it's a video game

685
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: and that's slightly more y. Yeah yeah, but like they

686
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: don't you know, but they're they're trying to sell, like

687
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: and I think part of what's going on here is

688
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: also just like this is this is designed to like

689
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: like this is designed to like trick Silicon Valley investors.

690
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: That is like yeah, and those people I think are

691
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: just gonna be like, oh well, we'll have brain ships eventually,

692
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: and so we'll just we'll talk about probably talk about

693
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: that part more at the end, because yeah, this is

694
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: just a scam. This is just a scam, and it

695
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: is like again to talk about like the dystopian aspects

696
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: of this, Chris, as you brought up. One of the

697
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: aspects is that like it's a complete panopticon of perfect

698
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: surveillance if they actually make this thing, and number two

699
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: is the only way to do most of what they're

700
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: talking about that's cool is to give Mark Zuckerberg physical

701
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: control over human being's brain chemistry on a global scale,

702
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: which I think it is a bad I'm not going

703
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: to sign up for that for that. I don't I

704
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: don't want to walk around in a weird candle room

705
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: that badly. Like to your point, Chris about like how

706
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: it's you know, there's no sensory stuff. Is like like

707
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: the most popular VR games, the reason why they work

708
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: so well, there's why that they don't, like Break the

709
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: Uncanny Valley is because you're in like a barren land,

710
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: like you know, the Saber, You're not in a place

711
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, you're in the in the game interface for

712
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: like for Super Hot you're in like whitewashed, abstract like

713
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: concrete spaces, right, so like there's nothing, there is nothing

714
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: to smell or feels like you don't feel like you're

715
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: missing anything because you're in a very like stripped down

716
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: version of reality. There is. It's a really good of

717
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: yr game. I forget what it's called, but it's it's

718
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: based on like an office and you're like fighting robots

719
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: to break out of like this capitalist office room. And

720
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: it's cool because like, yeah, it's miserable because it's like

721
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: it's like an office space. You feel like you're in

722
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: an office because it's nothing about it's exciting right there.

723
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: Games that are in like lush worlds they feel so

724
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: much more like disconnected because you have like a weird

725
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: like you have you have like you have like an

726
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: uncanny valley thing, but instead of like a face or

727
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: a person, it's like an environment. We're running a long time.

728
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: I want to move to something that I think is

729
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: important here, which is there is one moment in this

730
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: video where they try to address the fact that they've

731
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: done a tremendous amount of damage to the world and

732
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: they have repeatedly failed to like uh, anticipate dangers that

733
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: their services have, so they need to like deal with

734
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: that at some point. And this is like, well, what

735
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: about if, like what about bad things that could happen?

736
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: What if like what about like unintended things? What about

737
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: like ways in which this could be harmful to society

738
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: that you haven't foreseen. So, because they're not completely stupid,

739
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: in order to address that, they bring on a well

740
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: dressed or not well dressed, but they bring on like

741
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: a friendly British man who kind of kind of reads

742
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: as like a like a scientific kind of expert guy.

743
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: They bring on a charming British person to like talk

744
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: about how they're going to not not destroy the world.

745
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: And this is very telling so far. It's it's such

746
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: visionary stuff. But as you mentioned early on, with all

747
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: big technological advances, there are inever to be going to

748
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: be in all sorts of challenges and uncertainties. And I

749
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: know you've talked about this a bit already, but people

750
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: want to know how we're going to do all this

751
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: in a responsible way, and especially that we play our

752
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: part in helping to keep people safe and protect their

753
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: privacy online. Yeah, that's right. This is incredibly important. The

754
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: way I look at it, is that in the past,

755
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: the speed that new technologies emerged sometimes left policy makers

756
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: and regulators playing catch up. So on the one hand,

757
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: companies get accused of charging ahead too quickly, and on

758
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: the other tech people feel that progress can't afford to

759
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: wait for the slower pace of regulation. And I really

760
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: think that it doesn't have to be the case this

761
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: time around, because we have years until the metaverse we

762
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: envision is fully realized. So this is the start of

763
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: the journey, not the end. So that's telling uh that

764
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: he's like, we don't need to worry about like we

765
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: don't need it. Like it'll be it'll get regulated properly,

766
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: it'll be safe enough because it's going to take so

767
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: long to figure all this out that surely we will

768
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: anticipate and deal with all of the potentially toxic side

769
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: effects of this technology ahead of time. Um. And if

770
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: you believe that, I would say, take a look at

771
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: Facebook's track record with that kind of thing. Um. But

772
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: they are smart and having a charming British man do it,

773
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: that's the right guy to have in the only aspect

774
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: of good casting in this that is the right guy

775
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: to have come on and try to allay people's fears

776
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: that this will destroy society. You bring you bring a

777
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: charming British man in, you know, that's how you do

778
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Um, that's when I get canceled

779
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: for the things I've been doing overseas. Um, I'm going

780
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: to hire a British person to defend myself. Do they

781
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: make any more comments about like a R glasses or

782
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: VR quite a few. I wanted to move on to that.

783
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: Um even though yeah, we're so um they talk about

784
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: they have a whole section where they're they're talking about

785
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: the actual glasses they have. So they announced the number one.

786
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: They have a project. The goal, as he repeatedly says,

787
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: is to make a quote normal, good looking pair of

788
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: glasses that do all this stuff, which is um and

789
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: he he does in order as like approve of concept,

790
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: he shows us these a R ray bands that actually

791
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: look legitimately rad They look like normal at least the

792
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: privn't touched a pair of these in my hands. But

793
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: the the the videos that are supposed to be these

794
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: real products show a pair of what looked like normal

795
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: ray bands that you can take pictures and videos with,

796
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: You can answer phone calls on, you can do like

797
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: video phone calls on the actually that they seem neat

798
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: and like they look like normal glasses. Um, and that

799
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Um. They go kind of pivot from

800
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: that to announcing that like they have this new thing,

801
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: project nizar um which I looked up what nazarre means

802
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: a little bit ago. It's probably dystopian. Uh no, I

803
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: think it was just yeah, uh, it's a town or

804
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: it's a surf spot, right, it's a place and I

805
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: think Portugal where there's like great waves and Mark Zuckerberg

806
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: is really into surfing. He plays a surfing game at

807
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: one point in this That is one of the most

808
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: um embarrassing things. Embarrassing thing because I've seen in my

809
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: entire fucking life. Um. But yeah, so Project nazar is

810
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: that they're supposed to be like the first true like

811
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: VR glasses. So they do the good thing, which is

812
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: like here's the real technology, these ray bands and look,

813
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: these are pretty neat. Obviously that doesn't come close to

814
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: what they're promising. Um. And this whole thing where they

815
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: talk about what the glasses, which they say they're making

816
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: good progress on, are going to do, we don't ever

817
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: see any fucking glasses. Um. Yeah. And and that's because

818
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: they're not really close uh to to working yet. That's

819
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: the air glasses are gonna be the way to act.

820
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: Like if the goal is to integrate digital spaces into

821
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: the physical space, I think I think it's a good

822
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: goal because what that's gonna do, that's gonna make the

823
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: digital space less fake, right, It's injecting that into the

824
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: actual real world. So I think that will actually really

825
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: help with like dis associate of stuff is because it's

826
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: actually in it's actually in the real world as well.

827
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be wonderful when that gets developed.

828
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: And I think the glasses are are definitely going to

829
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: be a thing within the next ten to twenty years.

830
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: There is ways of like illuminating glass on the side

831
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: to make like like what it looks like an image.

832
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: This is definitely gonna be a thing that's going to

833
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: be possible. Like surveillance and privacy is like the big

834
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: big fears for that because we're nowhere close to hacking

835
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: the brain enough to feel sensations and like the only

836
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: thing I've played a lot of VR, the only thing

837
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: that you can feel in VR is fear. That's the

838
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: only thing that VR is capable of replicating as as

839
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: a feeling. It's like, you can feel terrified and VR

840
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: that's that's, that's it. You can't never look like there's

841
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: one thing you can feel exhausted game. And I was

842
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: doing like bow draws for like four hours, and I

843
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: was like, we've we've developed the way to make you

844
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: frightened and tired. That is, which is all, by the way,

845
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: what Twitter does normally. It's true, all of like all

846
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: of like the Resident Evil VR games. Yeah, they're gonna

847
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: making you tired and terrified, and that's kind of it.

848
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: So we we have to close out. But I want

849
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: to do that by playing Mark Zuckerberg lamenting the Internet

850
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: that he played a major role in in building as

851
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: a way to talk about why we need a metaverse,

852
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: because it's kind of funny because we're allowed to build

853
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: and use are more tightly controlled than ever, and high

854
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: taxes on creative new ideas are stifling. This is not

855
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Speaker 1: the way that we were met to use technology. The

856
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: metaverse gives us an opportunity, but it's gonna take all

857
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: of us creators, develop oper's companies of all sizes together.

858
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: We can finally put people at the center of our

859
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: technology and deliver an experience where we are present with

860
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, what what a Google? Like? All of

861
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: that's nonsense. Everyone, You're not You're one of the people

862
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: who has turned the Internet into an expensive walled garden.

863
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: It didn't used to be this way. Then Facebook swooped

864
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: in made themselves for free um like integral to all content,

865
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: and then started charging those content creators and like sucking

866
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: them around and lying to them, which led to the

867
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: destruction of a huge number of websites and a tremendous

868
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: amount of digital culture. Like your Wyatt feels like a

869
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: dead waled garden, and everything you've presented in this video

870
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: makes the metaverse feel like a dead waled garden. But

871
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: I want to play his last lines in the in

872
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: this video because this is him kind of summing up

873
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: his vision for the future via the metaverse. And now

874
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: it is time to take everything that we've learned and

875
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: help build the next chapter. I am dedicating our energy

876
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: to this than any other company in the world. And

877
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: if this is the future that you want to see,

878
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: then I hope that you will join us, because the

879
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: future is going to be beyond anything we can imagine.

880
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: I agree with that part Mark the future is going

881
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: to be beyond what you can imagine. What a gool, yeah,

882
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: because you have no im It's just it's just using

883
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: trendy tech terms to trick investors into giving them billions

884
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: of dollars. That's like the right, that's that's all it

885
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: is because all of this, like this like haptic feedback

886
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: replicating like human feelings and stuff, that we're nowhere close

887
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: to that, and when we do, it's going to be

888
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: a dystopian but we're not close to it, and it's

889
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: going to be dystopian or it's going to be better

890
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: in ways that like we can't yet conceive of um

891
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: and then eventually it will be destroyed for profit if

892
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: it actually gets cool like the old Internet was. Yeah,

893
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's yeah. But I think but both

894
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: this and even a lot like a lot of the

895
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: epic stuff just seems Ah, it's just the new way

896
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: that tech companies. That's where they think the money vault

897
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: is is by using these terms, and they think using

898
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: these terms is going to get them lots of extra

899
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: investor money because the actual technology is nowhere really close

900
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: to this that it's not what people wanted out of

901
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: the Internet. Anyway, it absolutely is not. But I don't know,

902
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: I think this was important. I think Facebook is important

903
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: and has a major impact on the way the Internet

904
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: is continuing to evolve. Um, usually in negative ways. But

905
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: this is how these people who are doing a lot

906
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: of damage view the future. So you should know what

907
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: they're looking at and what they anticipate. But I think

908
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: I think that there's a kind of optimistic note to

909
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: this though, right, was just like, Okay, so we've we've

910
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: reached the point where like even like Boris Johnson is

911
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: going like, oh god, climate change is coming, right, and

912
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: this is the best they've got, right they have they

913
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: have nothing, They have nothing, And you know what, I think, like,

914
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: what are the only ways we can win is if

915
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: we're facing a uniquely incompetent ruling class, and if it's

916
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: if the rule, if the if the guy were, if

917
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: a guy we have to deal with in order to

918
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: like not drown every single whale and like have half

919
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: of the world's city is consumed, but the ocean is

920
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg like, we got a shot some smarter people

921
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: that are yeah that this is not mind the scenes, right,

922
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: Like yeah, um, but I I don't think I think

923
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: That's a nice note to end on because it is

924
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: it is worth The nice thing about this is how

925
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: clearly they don't understand what the future is going to

926
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: look like online. Um, they have ways in which they're

927
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: trying to direct the future, and aspects of that will

928
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Speaker 1: come true, like the VR will succeed in some form

929
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: at some point and it will be potentially an unprecedented

930
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: surveillance breakthrough that has some unsettling implications and better steps

931
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: getting developed a lot of other stuff. I think the

932
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: move by Twitter to create like this, like it's called

933
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: like like Twitter Space where it's like this like you know,

934
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: basically like voice chat room. Like a lot of people

935
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: are moving towards this concept where we try to like

936
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Speaker 1: inject more like in person interactivity into this virtual framework, right.

937
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: Which how this with like with like a clubhouse last

938
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: year during during the pandemic where people like watching like

939
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: Netflix in the quote same room, right, Like, We're seeing

940
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: people try to do this with varying mixed success. But

941
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: this is the way tech is is inching. So it

942
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: is a good idea to keep your eye on it

943
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: because it has a lot of implications for like clevacy

944
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: and advertising and all that kind of stuff. We'll continue

945
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: to cover aspects of this, talk about the technology, talk

946
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: about the surveillance implications, talk about the visions these people have.

947
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: But I think this has been these episodes have been

948
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: useful and like, here's what Mark thinks is coming, Here's

949
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: what Facebook is pouring, like ten billion dollars into it's

950
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: dumbest shit. Have a nice day. It could Happen Here

951
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,640
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