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Speaker 6: It is Tuesday, December thirtieth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,

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Speaker 6: episode number one oh one. Welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 2: That's everybody doing today. You good, You're good.

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Speaker 5: I do this intro every day.

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Speaker 2: I know you're good.

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Speaker 5: Man, Man, Man, Look, I'm blessed, Derek.

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Speaker 2: Less than how they favor I'm good to go.

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Speaker 5: Man. People in the chance say I talk too much, but

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Speaker 5: it's the end of the season.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 2: Don't nobody kill with them people over there. Man, don't

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Speaker 2: nobody kill with them people over there.

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Speaker 5: I just want to let people know that I see

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Speaker 5: no I.

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Speaker 7: Care to reply because they got on my nerves.

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Speaker 4: Will make the whole show about her. I just like

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Speaker 4: to I just read quietly to myself. Look, I see y'all,

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Speaker 4: y'all's concerns. Man, But Derek want me to talk? Y'all

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Speaker 4: be like talking too much. Dere be wanting me to talk.

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Speaker 2: You'd talk.

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Speaker 5: It'd be time. I'm trying to use to this. It'll

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Speaker 5: be time.

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Speaker 4: It'll be times where Derek could be like, all right,

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Speaker 4: watching Brian tell us about something.

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Speaker 2: They'd be like, oh, we're gonna do that in the

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Speaker 2: second second, and they be like.

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Speaker 5: Oh, they're not letting their bar talk. Derek asked, they don't.

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Speaker 2: Ask why is watch first question? What's first question today?

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Speaker 8: Who it goes to?

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Speaker 5: Today?

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Speaker 2: We got to talk about in the second I'm not

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Speaker 2: really we got a lot to talk about today. We

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Speaker 2: actually have more Brian brought us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're gonna do that, but we like Johnson then right, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we're gonna do some john today. Maybe we'll do it tomorrow. Okay,

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Speaker 6: we are doing yeady tomorrow, no doubt, yeady tomorrow. Right now,

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Speaker 6: we're just doing whatever like anything. It's like a substitute teaching.

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Speaker 8: Isn't any different than seventeen weeks.

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Speaker 2: We're just chilling today.

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Speaker 5: Hey man, Jerry Jones on the radio and call that

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Speaker 5: man uber Flues. Y'all heard that uber?

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Speaker 2: I called that to if I couldn't stop anybody.

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Speaker 5: He called him six. It's a rap. It is over.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's not act like that means something. What do

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Speaker 2: you mean?

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Speaker 4: No, No, No, he's been He's been Mica for years. The

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Speaker 4: minute he's on the list, he's michae Old Jerry, don't

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Speaker 4: don't slip words.

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Speaker 3: The hardest name I think they ever had to deal

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Speaker 3: with with the oddish by as we had a lot

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Speaker 5: Called that man uber flu.

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Speaker 6: But I do love how this morning he didn't even

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Speaker 6: try a rock. He was like forty one.

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Speaker 2: He didn't even try. He was like, I'm not going there.

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Speaker 5: Loved Jared.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's actually speaking of which I

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Speaker 6: wanted to talk about a couple of things that Jerry

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Speaker 6: mentioned this morning that I thought were interesting.

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Speaker 2: He was on one O five Do three this Fan.

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Speaker 6: He was on one O five dot three The Fan

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Speaker 6: Sean RJ and Bobby this morning and uh, on the

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Speaker 6: topic of the potential changes to defensive coaching staff, here

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Speaker 6: was this quote. He said, we'll get on on that pronto.

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Speaker 6: More than one person had their finger on this. We're

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Speaker 6: and one guy is not going to do that. It's

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Speaker 6: not all Eberflus at all. That has team wide break that.

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Speaker 6: That was a team wide breakdown. How do you interpret that?

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, sir.

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Speaker 4: If I had to fire my friend, I'd make it

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Speaker 4: sounds as cool as a COLPOSU. Make it sound you know.

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Speaker 4: He just I'll say, Jason, you terrible's time to go.

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Speaker 4: He let Jason gear hang around and pack his books

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Speaker 4: I think it's uh, I think it's on the way.

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Speaker 4: But Jerry went line because Kenny Murray wasn't all that

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Speaker 4: want to you know, label it all y'all look bad

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Speaker 5: So yeah, Jared not wrong.

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Speaker 4: But if you're gonna address a unit, you go to

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Speaker 4: the top man. As Fluce's unit, So he's the top guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to me that this I think with

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Speaker 3: lot of people that like Matti Refluse, and I think

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Speaker 3: that you have to if you're Jerry Jones, we have

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Speaker 3: kind of a history of this. If you go back,

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Speaker 3: then that was the end of Mike Nolan. After that game,

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Speaker 3: if they've in fact made the decision to move on.

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Speaker 3: And they have to evaluate and only the defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 3: but they have to evaluate all the coaches, defensive line coaches,

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Speaker 3: and I'm saying I'm including the offensive coaches too. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you evaluate every year as a general manager, you evaluate

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Speaker 3: where you're at with your coaches. Are there coaches out

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Speaker 3: have to evaluate that as well. I think to me, though,

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Speaker 5: That jers.

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Speaker 3: And needed to think about something. Is okay, why did

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Speaker 3: you bring in madd If in fact that they move on,

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Speaker 3: you have to do the self evaluation. What mistakes did

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Speaker 5: You appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: But the thing to me, did you look at the

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Speaker 3: I think there'll be some familiarity with the.

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Speaker 8: Next time as well.

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Speaker 3: And so but you have to make sure if you

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Speaker 3: in fact move on and you move on from the

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Speaker 3: So I think that's the evaluation, not only if Jerry

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Speaker 3: evaluate where he's at with his own process of the way.

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Speaker 8: He needs to hire.

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Speaker 9: Make no mistake about it, everybody had their finger and

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Speaker 9: well defensively everybody.

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Speaker 7: So that was the quote.

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Speaker 9: My interpretation is clean slate, let's wipe it out and ghost.

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Speaker 9: But I'm always wrong from my interpretation of.

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Speaker 6: What for Jerry k just always know where he's going

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Speaker 6: with what he's saying.

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Speaker 9: He's very creative and the way he says things, and

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Speaker 9: then it turns out to be something completely different than

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Speaker 9: what you thought. So I wouldn't be able to tell

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Speaker 9: you exactly what it is, Bud.

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Speaker 7: If I had to.

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Speaker 9: Say, I would say right now, it's just that, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: you can blame all the coaches on that side, position coaches.

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Speaker 9: Is there any position coach that you feel is safe

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Speaker 9: with what they did this year?

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Speaker 7: Do y'all have any name?

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Speaker 2: This was the conversation we had yesterday. I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't think you can look at either at any

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Speaker 6: I thought we really got.

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Speaker 2: Better as a season.

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Speaker 6: War on there's at least a little bit of an

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Speaker 6: argument you can say Donovan Azeraku is performing at the

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Speaker 2: Is performing at a level. I saw this morning.

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Speaker 6: ESPN did something where they had their All Rookie team

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Speaker 6: and he was listed as an All Rookie player as

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Speaker 2: Has been a really, really, really good run defender.

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Speaker 6: He has not been as good in the past rush,

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Speaker 6: in the right direction. Outside of that, can you name

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Speaker 3: You've brought this up, You've brought this up a couple

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Speaker 3: my expectations for Solomon Thomas were not that high. Initially,

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Speaker 3: Solomon Thomas is a good player, and unfortunately there's a

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Speaker 3: couple of guys that we didn't see. We didn't see

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Speaker 3: didn't see that, you know, And maybe there was some

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Speaker 3: I think Clowney is a situation. Maybe some of these

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Speaker 3: these coaches are going to look at it and say, well,

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Speaker 3: when they go and try and get their next job, well,

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Speaker 3: what happened in Dallas? Why were you guys so bad

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Speaker 3: on run defense? And I guarantee you if the coach

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Speaker 3: is coach is gonna say, well, there's some things we

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Speaker 3: didn't do scheme wise, there are probably this, that and

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Speaker 3: the other. But they're also going to say we didn't

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Speaker 3: have our personnel wasn't good enough. You know, there was

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Speaker 3: there were times where they clearly weren't good enough. And

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Speaker 3: one of my questions for you guys today is going

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Speaker 3: to deal with that. Well.

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Speaker 9: Also, it's like you cannot change all the players, You

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Speaker 9: cannot get rid of all the players, and all of

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Speaker 9: a sudden bring in top tier talent.

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Speaker 7: That is impossible in this league. So in any league

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Speaker 7: you can't do that.

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Speaker 9: So with that, the easiest or most impactful change that

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Speaker 9: you can possibly make is to replace all your coaching

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Speaker 9: bring somebody that understands or has a better view and

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Speaker 9: understands the players you talk about. So having the talent

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Speaker 3: You know, that's the problem that you run into defense

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Speaker 3: You know, they could replace the coaches, but we could

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Speaker 4: But man, Brian, let me ask you something. Just let

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Speaker 4: because that sounds like we're fighting, right, No, I don't

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Speaker 4: Now, all of a sudden, you're a You're a top

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Speaker 3: Bro No, And I'll say this though too, Connor Riley

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Speaker 8: You know, I mean, there's.

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Speaker 3: There's some there's some things continuity there. There's some continuity there. See,

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying though. To me, I feel like that.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the offensive coaches adapted.

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Speaker 8: Better to their players.

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Speaker 3: And I don't disagree with you about moving on, But

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Speaker 3: And especially when you're dealing with an organization, and I

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Speaker 3: Matt Eberflus to a point he brought in. They brought

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Speaker 3: On the trade to trade Michael Parsons on the defensive staff.

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Speaker 3: You know, these are the things that you now have

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Speaker 6: The one thing I'd also say is if I were Jerry,

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Speaker 2: Saying, I don't think they can do that.

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Speaker 6: I think we're better served doing this, but that's not

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Speaker 6: So I want to hear those kind of things. If

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Speaker 9: At that point, I mean, I it's hard because you

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Speaker 9: my point is it okay for you to be like, hey,

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Speaker 9: Let me talk to let's say Shody. He's a people's person.

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Speaker 9: He's very communicative, he talks and all that. So if

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, go ahead, No.

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Speaker 7: That was it, Like when you talk about those.

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Speaker 10: Guys shot he shot he got the head coaching job

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Speaker 10: going and and basically shot He's like he's fighting for

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Speaker 10: Will are asking him questions about, well, what would you

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Speaker 2: And not necessarily throwing under the busy right exactly.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's part of it where he still

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Speaker 6: I think the offense will function better if we do this, this,

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Speaker 2: Part of that conversation was okay, shoddy, how would you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you got to paint the picture of here's how

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Speaker 2: And he had to sell them on that, And I

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Speaker 6: You should talk to all those coaches and figure out

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Speaker 4: But there, if your last name was Jones and somebody

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Speaker 5: To you, do you fire him anyway? No?

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Speaker 2: Why? Why?

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Speaker 4: I'm just like like like, what, hey, hey, DB's coach. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I lanced the game coordinator. This is horrible. I want

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Speaker 4: well flues did X y Z Y? All right, that

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal.

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Speaker 6: It's it's not what I want to know is I

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Speaker 6: Where we looked actually pretty decent. That was a result

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Speaker 3: Oh No, I'm picking I'm picking brains. I'm picking brains,

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Speaker 3: the way you're doing this, Derek, which coach? If coaches stay,

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Speaker 3: you'll know which ones sold out, And I say sold out.

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Speaker 3: If you'll hold the truth still told the truth, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I will take every bit of the blame because we

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Speaker 2: But I would have.

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons I got let go is because

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Speaker 8: If you get that, then you need to move on

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Speaker 3: But you could also though, one coach could be spilling

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not guaranteeing you a job.

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Speaker 2: Right, Let's be clear.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying just because you spill your guts, you

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Speaker 6: keep your job.

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Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I

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Speaker 2: want to hear from you and get a o I do.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear. I want and I want to

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Speaker 2: get a better of whether I think well.

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Speaker 6: By the way, if you're, if you give me something

449
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Speaker 6: that makes me feel like this really was like you

450
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Speaker 6: were actually trying to push in a different direction and

451
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Speaker 6: it just wasn't being heard. That gives me more reason

452
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Speaker 6: to think maybe you're Maybe you're a really good coach

453
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Speaker 6: that was just in a really bad situation.

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Speaker 4: So let me say it is DB's dB coaches can

455
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Speaker 4: probably talk themselves out of the bag.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: Let's say a name, So, white guy, white kitten in

458
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Speaker 4: your office, your lad's name Jones. What can white kyten say?

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Speaker 4: Because we got passed and like pass rushers probably ain't

460
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Speaker 4: got nothing to do with the ultimate what's happening back here?

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Speaker 4: Why can't like what's going on technique wise? Why aren't

462
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Speaker 4: we beating one on ones? The giants had the worst

463
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Speaker 4: tackles I've ever seen. Why can't we get pressure on them?

464
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Speaker 4: White Kitten come in and dirty mack on on flues.

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Speaker 4: What part of that dirty mac and would save White

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Speaker 4: Kitten's job?

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Speaker 5: Is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: It would have to be something that was like, let's say,

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Speaker 6: for example, he was talking about, as Brian laid out

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Speaker 6: a little earlier in the show, well, you know, you

471
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Speaker 6: look at the Davian clowning. Most people thought he was washed,

472
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Speaker 6: and I got the most out of him by working

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Speaker 6: in with doing these things. Yes, Donovan, as Aeraku, he

474
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Speaker 6: could he could tell me, and this is not this

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Speaker 6: is me making things.

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Speaker 2: But if he told me, you know what, I saw what.

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Speaker 6: He was as a past rusher in college, and I'm

478
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Speaker 6: willing to accept the blame. And I didn't really nurture

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Speaker 6: that in the way I did because I felt like

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Speaker 6: it was more important to really focus on him being

481
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Speaker 6: a good run defender because I know how this run defense.

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Speaker 2: And so that's where and that's the way.

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Speaker 6: So that's where I focused, And maybe I should have

484
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Speaker 6: spent a little more time really working the pass rush too.

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Speaker 6: But I felt like that was just going to come

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Speaker 6: because I saw that in college. I knew he had

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Speaker 6: those skills. I focused on this, that would that would.

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Speaker 6: I would look at that as as a Jones and say,

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Speaker 6: I don't think this guy's a bad coach. Maybe he

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Speaker 6: made a mispopulation. But I look at him and I say, certain.

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Speaker 4: You took my second round pass rushing and made him

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Speaker 4: a run defender.

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Speaker 5: You fired. That's how I feel.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what you say, but that's short term.

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Speaker 4: That's even if even if clown is good, Like what

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Speaker 4: happened with Sam, what happened with Dante?

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Speaker 5: Like I think it's a lot of evidence what happened

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Speaker 5: with Sam. I don't know what I said. What is Sam?

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Speaker 7: Let me?

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Speaker 2: And I'm being really blunt and honest.

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Speaker 6: I like, Sam, has Sam done anything this year that's

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Speaker 6: any different than what he's done through the first several

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Speaker 6: years he's been here.

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Speaker 4: I think Sam at least had flashes early. He at

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Speaker 4: least had flashes early. I ain't see Sam flashing all

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Speaker 4: this year.

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Speaker 6: Okay, at what at what point do you start to

508
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Speaker 6: say the player just isn't getting to the level he

509
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Speaker 6: should be Because.

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Speaker 2: It's not very different.

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Speaker 3: I think i'd call it Jerry and then for not

512
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Speaker 3: giving good enough players, and that I would do, and

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Speaker 3: I would say that.

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Speaker 7: But like literally everybody regressed. It wasn't like we stayed

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Speaker 7: at the same level. Like one thing is so.

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Speaker 9: You moving forward improving, Okay, that's improvement and it comes

517
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Speaker 9: with coaching one. Another thing is staying at the same level. Okay,

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Speaker 9: that's the base. Another thing is regressing everybody.

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Speaker 6: Right, And when everybody regresses, we said it on this show,

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Speaker 6: so don't backtrack it now. We said when everybody can't

521
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Speaker 6: get bad at the same time unless there's something from

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Speaker 6: an overall perspective that's happening, and that points back to

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Speaker 6: the defensive coordinator, right amber.

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Speaker 4: But I'm saying, in these one on one at defensive end,

525
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Speaker 4: win your matchup.

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Speaker 5: Those guys not winning matchups anymore.

527
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Speaker 4: How much does flues have say over that if you

528
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Speaker 4: can't beat some third stream offensive line, how much does

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Speaker 4: FLUS Like if if FLUS called and plays has a

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Speaker 4: lot to do with the overall defensive back scheme stuff,

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Speaker 4: that makes sense. Why can't you win one on ones anymore?

532
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Speaker 4: That's me looking at a D line that's not doing right,

533
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Speaker 4: And I'm looking at the d line coach.

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Speaker 2: What what what if I'm not saying this happened? What if?

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Speaker 6: What if Eberflus told his defensive line coach I want

536
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Speaker 6: to be and they obviously didn't reach us. I want

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Speaker 6: to be a better run defense, run defense team than

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Speaker 6: a pass this is this is and because of that,

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Speaker 6: I want these defensive ends. Yeah, I want him to rush,

540
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Speaker 6: but I want him to take a beat to make

541
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Speaker 6: sure the run isn't coming first before they go just

542
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Speaker 6: hard up field.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not say even.

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Speaker 5: Happen saying goofy is hell? Goofy is hell?

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Speaker 8: Is that right?

546
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Speaker 6: But if that happened, how why is that Aaron white

547
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Speaker 6: Cotton's problem versus Eberflus's problem?

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Speaker 2: Okay, this seriously, this is you say you hand something

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 3: I do, I have some I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna

551
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Speaker 3: treat you as Jerry Jones and I'm Aaron white coott.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, I'm gonna see Jerry. I believe in

553
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Speaker 3: chain of command. I'm a big believer of.

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Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, me come to Jerry. I believe in such

555
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Speaker 5: a problem.

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Speaker 7: No no, no, no, no no no no Listen.

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Speaker 2: Listen, listen, listen, listen.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna start this thing off.

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Speaker 3: You asked me how I'm gonna handle this, right, I'm

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Speaker 3: Mary Whitcott. Right now, I'm gonna you said, you said,

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Speaker 3: I said, Okay, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna say, Jerry, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm a chain of command guy. I really do believe this.

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Speaker 3: There are things that we absolutely didn't We did that

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Speaker 3: I don't like. I worked with Robert Saul. I think

565
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Speaker 3: you have a lot of respect for Robert Sala. You guys,

566
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Speaker 3: I think even talked about bringing Robert Sala in here

567
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Speaker 3: as a defensive coordinator. Hey, I don't know why that

568
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Speaker 3: didn't get done, but you know that I know how

569
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Speaker 3: to rush the passer.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 8: I believe in change of command, and I'm gonna.

572
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Speaker 3: Tell you this in a way this I was asked

573
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Speaker 3: to coach the guys this way, to your point, which

574
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Speaker 3: I think is absolutely right. I go, there are things

575
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Speaker 3: that we would have done at the Jets that are

576
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Speaker 3: not the same as what we were doing here. If

577
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Speaker 3: you watch Quinn willia t play, you saw a productive player.

578
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: If you saw you just watch our tape, you could

579
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Speaker 3: see how we got after on a defense.

580
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Speaker 2: We were a terrible.

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Speaker 8: Football team and we had a top ten.

582
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Speaker 3: Defense that wasn't by accident. We were a but we

583
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Speaker 3: had we had good personnel. But the way that we

584
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 3: coach these guys, I'm here, I'm working chain of command.

585
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Speaker 3: I believe in Flus. I wanted to work with Flues.

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Speaker 3: He's not the same as Robert Salah. Robert had us

587
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Speaker 3: coach in a different way. That tape you were watching

588
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Speaker 3: with the Jets, I know, is not the tape you've

589
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Speaker 3: seen with the Dallas Cowboys, and I think that. I

590
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 3: think but if you had a different defensive coordinator and

591
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Speaker 3: you might not want me around anymore. You might say,

592
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Speaker 3: you know what, You're no good as a defensive line coach.

593
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Speaker 3: But I'm telling you, though you watch the tape of

594
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Speaker 3: the Jets, we got after people, and it was a

595
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Speaker 3: different scheme and we were all kind of on the

596
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Speaker 3: same page.

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Speaker 8: Here, you have a problem. You don't have everybody on.

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Speaker 11: The same It's a good dirty maker, right boy, but

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Speaker 11: his facts Like again, that's why I would have the

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Speaker 11: conversation because I want to find out from these coaches

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Speaker 11: was it were you a part of the problem or

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Speaker 11: were you trying to be a part of the solution.

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Speaker 2: Just your ideas were.

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Speaker 7: Not Okay, let's say this.

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Speaker 6: to say, and we're just gonna ditch this whole rundown.

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Speaker 6: You were about to make a point before break, before.

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Speaker 7: You interrupted me and through it to break.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to pay Bill, Okay.

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Speaker 9: I say this with us, we're just having a conversation here.

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Speaker 8: This is all.

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Speaker 9: The compliment Sandwich, because we don't really know if these

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Speaker 9: conversations are actually being taken place behind the scenes, Like

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Speaker 9: we don't know any of that. So this is a

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Speaker 9: US just talking because they could have very well been

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Speaker 9: having this conversation. Is just couldn't do anything about it

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Speaker 9: because you're in the middle of the season. It's just okay,

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Speaker 9: big changes, you can't make those very often. So my

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Speaker 9: question to your point, Derek, because you're talking about this

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Speaker 9: process of like you go through the season that you

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Speaker 9: meeting with these coaches, you hope they snitch and say

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Speaker 9: all these things. And I agree with the whole chaining

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Speaker 9: command thing theory. That's very respectful works great in the

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Speaker 9: corporate world, but this is a different world here football. Now,

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Speaker 9: with that being said, let's say I go through a

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Speaker 9: really crappy season of me doing a bad job, and

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Speaker 9: I wait all the waiting to our review, and I

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Speaker 9: go to you, Derek, I'm like, well, I was having

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Speaker 9: these issues this and that and this, and then wouldn't

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Speaker 9: you tell me why did you not come talk to

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Speaker 9: me sooner?

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Speaker 5: Not right now?

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Speaker 2: Right now? Right now?

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Speaker 9: You say, why didn't you not come to me and

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Speaker 9: talk to me sooner right now?

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Speaker 5: Because you could have saved right now.

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Speaker 2: You are doing exactly done something.

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Speaker 6: You are doing exactly what happens to me at my

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Speaker 6: home with my wife and my kids.

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Speaker 2: They don't listen.

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Speaker 6: I said in the first segment, I'm going to ask you,

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Speaker 6: what did you say as a result of them going

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Speaker 6: down this path and you not thinking it was the

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Speaker 6: right path?

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Speaker 2: Did you say that? And when you said it? What

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Speaker 2: what happened? Like? I want to know all those things.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you should know that already. Well, not necessari

716
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 9: you're part of the conversation. You should know that no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 9: non issue with my manager supervisor. You as the head

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Speaker 9: of the head, you should be aware of the situation.

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Speaker 6: It's not true I would put it like this, in

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Speaker 6: a season in a season, in a season, I don't

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Speaker 6: think a position coach is going to go to the

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Speaker 6: general manager and say, this guy doesn't know what he's doing.

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Speaker 6: What I do think people do is I think he

724
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Speaker 6: will go to his coordinator and say, man, I don't

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Speaker 6: think we're going down the right path there, and the

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Speaker 6: coordinator might be like, all right, man, I know what

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Speaker 6: I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: Just trust me. Now. He might even go to the

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Speaker 2: head coach and say, hey, head coach, I don't think

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Speaker 2: we're going the right way. He is not going to

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Speaker 2: the general manager to say we're not. So unless the.

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Speaker 6: Head coach brings it up to the general manager, it

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Speaker 6: probably ain't gonna get to the general manager until the

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Speaker 6: general manager says, hey, position coach, come sit down, then

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Speaker 6: let's have a talk.

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Speaker 2: What's going on, Why did this happen? What was your response?

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Speaker 2: And then he has the opportunity to be able to

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Speaker 2: do that, but he is not.

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Speaker 6: That's like saying That's like saying someone who is working

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Speaker 6: as an intern in our department is gonna come and

741
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Speaker 6: sit down with me and tell me all the things

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Speaker 6: that are going wrong in the department without talking to

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Speaker 6: their advising for eighteen weeks though right during the season.

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Speaker 2: During the season, it's the season.

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Speaker 6: Now, once you get to the off season, yeah, I

746
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Speaker 6: think there might be some conversation. But during the season,

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Speaker 6: I think you you follow the chain of command you're

748
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Speaker 6: being told to do. You give some feedback, but you

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Speaker 6: don't take it ten dollars.

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Speaker 7: That falls on Schottenheimer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and that's fair.

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Speaker 6: That's fair, And that that becomes a question of when

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Speaker 6: you sit down you here, coach, say hey, how much

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Speaker 6: did you know about what was going on over here?

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Speaker 6: Because I'm hearing this, this and this what like again,

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Speaker 6: these are the same thing you said.

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Speaker 2: It's different. It's no different than the corporate world.

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Speaker 6: It really is. It's the exact same thing. It's like

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Speaker 6: they're talking to their supervisor. And there are things I

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Speaker 6: find out about months, sometimes a year later that happened

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Speaker 6: in a department that I'm like, why is somebody? But

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Speaker 6: I also understand what the position that that person was

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Speaker 6: in it is. They're not gonna come to me with

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Speaker 6: something like that. They're gonna take it to the supervisor.

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Speaker 7: Because it is different.

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Speaker 9: Because football you only have X amount of games in

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Speaker 9: a season. My job is this job but then let's

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Speaker 9: say I get fire here. Yeah, my future, My future

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Speaker 9: also depends on what happens here. So is a little

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Speaker 9: different than the regular corporate world.

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Speaker 4: Man, don't give ideas, please, I'll just say't.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 9: It's a little different in nonsense, because your future literally

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Speaker 9: depends on what happens in these what is it eighteen

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Speaker 9: weeks or whatever?

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Speaker 2: Right, But here's the deal.

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Speaker 6: Let's assume that you were that person that went and said, hey, GM,

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Speaker 6: this is a problem. Do you not think that that

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Speaker 6: follows you as you leave here and you go somewhere else?

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Speaker 2: Do you not think other coaches.

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Speaker 9: Go through the chain of com you're talking about, go ahead?

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Speaker 6: There is There is also a part that when you

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Speaker 6: now leave, do you not think other coaches will be saying,

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Speaker 6: you know, what he.

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Speaker 4: Did in Dallas, but he was wrong, though, daredel.

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Speaker 2: That is besides the point. He will be a stitch.

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Speaker 2: He will be called he ran, he ran.

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Speaker 9: Snitching is justified if you're being through put through a

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Speaker 9: difficult situation.

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Speaker 7: No hold on.

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Speaker 9: Sometimes in most cases no, in most cases no. But

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Speaker 9: if you go through the proper chain of command, as

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Speaker 9: you say, if you go through the proper steps of

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Speaker 9: it and you still being stuck in the same situation

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Speaker 9: where you're you're not being.

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Speaker 7: Given the right tools for change.

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Speaker 9: Therefore, yes, at that point, I'm not saying, oh, let's

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Speaker 9: go around his sneeche on each other in point fingers

799
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Speaker 9: or no, you got to take accountability. But are you

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Speaker 9: being due diligent on your own actions and doing what

801
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Speaker 9: you need to do in order for you to improve

802
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Speaker 9: improve your job? So that's all I'm saying, Yes, go

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Speaker 9: through those steps. I'm not saying go directly knocking on

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Speaker 9: the third floor and talk to Jerry. I'm not saying

805
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 9: that that's absurd, okay, but I'm saying, like, at what

806
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 9: point did it get to Shottenheimer's.

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Speaker 12: Part of it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, talk through it.

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Speaker 9: The biggest change was, Okay, after the bye they made

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Speaker 9: those straits. They didn't really do much for the first

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Speaker 9: two weeks. Yes, those first three games they got those wins.

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Speaker 9: After that went back to what it was, and then

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Speaker 9: the next change was sending Eberflus to the.

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Speaker 3: Press box, press box up there, Lee and there was

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Speaker 3: no changing.

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Speaker 6: Well, but here's I don't think you could say that

817
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Speaker 6: because we don't know what other change they were making

818
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Speaker 6: that didn't work out. Like they could have made other

819
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 6: changes that just sucked. They could have made changes and

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Speaker 6: the changes.

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Speaker 2: Could have just sucked. They didn't work.

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Speaker 6: It's my point is I do think that you're just

823
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Speaker 6: what we're talking about when you're talking about a coach.

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Speaker 2: I think it is. And I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 6: I've heard conversations back in some other years, not this year,

826
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Speaker 6: but in other years where coaches were felt like the

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Speaker 6: coordinator or the guy that was above them that they

828
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 6: were reporting to wasn't doing the right things. And some

829
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Speaker 6: of those conversations, you know, you catch a coach and

830
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 6: you're having a conversation over beer, or you catch them

831
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Speaker 6: in the hall and you're just having a conversation, and

832
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Speaker 6: what inevitably would be the end of that conversation is, hey, man,

833
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Speaker 6: I still got to just do my job. I can

834
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Speaker 6: only do what I can do. I can control what

835
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Speaker 6: I can control, and I think that it's it's I

836
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 6: think it is unfair to say, well, why didn't you

837
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Speaker 6: go tell the GM. I think at the end of

838
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Speaker 6: the day, they have a responsibility to tell their supervisor.

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Speaker 2: In this case, the supervisor.

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Speaker 6: Would be the coordinator, and at that point, if the

841
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Speaker 6: supervis takes that advice.

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00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: Great.

843
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 6: If he doesn't, then your job is to continue to

844
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 6: do the best you can do with what you're being

845
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 6: asked to do.

846
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Speaker 2: That's the way it works.

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Speaker 7: There.

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Speaker 4: If my last name was Eagleton and I was in

849
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Speaker 4: charge of this operation, and I got and I got

850
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Speaker 4: group yeah, whoever, and I got people in charge of

851
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 4: the people that's working right, Yeah, the company's in danger.

852
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 4: And they've constantly gone to the person in charge. Not me,

853
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 4: but they've constantly gone to the person in charge. And

854
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 4: then they say, forget this, I'm going to vouch or

855
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 4: Derry Eagleson whoever, And they say, vouch. The company's about

856
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: to crumble. This is happening, and management ain't doing nothing

857
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: about it. Don't you give that worker credit for going

858
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 4: over that person's head to come to you to save

859
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 4: the company?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, but here's the reality save it. Wait, wait, but

861
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: here's the reality. Here's the reality.

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00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 6: There is a very very very very small percentage of

863
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 6: people that are willing to go take it that high

864
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Speaker 6: in that short period of time.

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Speaker 2: By the way, there's something come to me, come to me, compans.

866
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Speaker 3: And there Ni Nick even and I went at it

867
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Speaker 3: one time talking about this department who won no Nick

868
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: and I had a really Nick and I Nick and

869
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Speaker 3: I went at it, and I appreciate Nick going back

870
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Speaker 3: at me about it. We talked about it and for

871
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Speaker 3: a long time, and when I left it was like

872
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: he I looked at him and said, you did exactly

873
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: what you said you were going to do.

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Speaker 8: And I appreciated that. And so yeah, it's you're capable

875
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Speaker 8: of doing it.

876
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Speaker 2: And by the way I encourage I encourage him. You

877
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: absolutely do. That's why I did it. That's why I

878
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: did it.

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Speaker 6: Policy anybody in my department, your ideas are not minemized.

880
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: However, most people don't take advantage of it.

881
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 6: That's because they're either intimidated by it, they don't want

882
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 6: to get in a situation where they speaking and then

883
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 6: someone's like, well, you didn't know what you were talking about. Like,

884
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 6: there's a lot of reasons why people are not willing

885
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 6: to do it. I don't think the majority, and so

886
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 6: I don't think it's fair.

887
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 7: Maybe you're not the right person, but my point is

888
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 7: I don't.

889
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: I don't.

890
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 6: I don't think I think it's unfair to say because

891
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 6: you were not willing to go beyond your chain of command,

892
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 6: that you're not a good coach. I don't think that's

893
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 6: fair to do. I want to find out what was

894
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 6: the situation. I want to find out why you were

895
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 6: in the situation. I want to find out what you

896
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 6: said about it, and as a result of that, I

897
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 6: will make a determination as to whether I feel like

898
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 6: you're a good coach, he was just a well situation,

899
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 6: or you were part of the problem.

900
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: Let's let's also and I'm going to say this, I

901
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: think it's up to management to go and talk to

902
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: the employees if something if they don't, I mean, you

903
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: don't always have to have somebody come up and say

904
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 3: something to you.

905
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: I think that that.

906
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: Jerry and Stephen Jones are very capable of walking up

907
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: to one of the assistant coaches and saying, hey, come

908
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: a minute of your time.

909
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 8: I want to talk to you about something.

910
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 6: Let me ask you, do you think that that could,

911
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 6: in some instances create more I don't know what the

912
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 6: right word is. Dissension is the word that comes to

913
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 6: my mind. But do you think it can be even

914
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 6: more drama? Because now this guy's saying this, this guy's

915
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 6: this guy's saying this is my job, and you're left

916
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 6: trying to figure out who's telling this and what.

917
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 8: That's why.

918
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: That's why I would go through and talk to everybody

919
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: I could. I'm not now, I'm talking to equipment guys.

920
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 3: I'm talking to the trainer, I'm talking to the coaches,

921
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: talking to the ops guys.

922
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 8: As a general manager, I would, I would.

923
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 3: I want to know just the thing that you said earlier,

924
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: when you said you go a month and somebody doesn't

925
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: tell you something, and you're like, why wouldn't you not

926
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: tell me that? I think it's our responsibility as leaders

927
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: of groups to go and talk to the employees that

928
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: work for us, you know, and hey, listen, this is

929
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: something that I've been one and you see sometimes you

930
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: get some very honest answers, but you get the answers

931
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: so you're not surprised by That's the thing I would

932
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: always hate is why am I being surprised by this?

933
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 8: Why am I? You know? I mean, I had a

934
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 8: chance in Philadelphia to run their department for a short time,

935
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 8: but I went through.

936
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 3: I had I had eight scouts, four from quick because

937
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: they didn't want to work for me. That's fine, But

938
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: the other four I asked, why did you stay? Why

939
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: did you want to be here? Because and they were

940
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: telling me why. So I learned, and then I talked

941
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: to the equipment guys, and I talked to the trainers,

942
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: and I talked to anybody that I could get information from.

943
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 8: And I felt people were very honest that situation. But

944
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 8: I was being proactive about it.

945
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: And I think though sometimes as managers or leaders were

946
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: not proactive enough with our staff.

947
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 8: That's fair, you know, that's I think the biggest issues

948
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 8: we have.

949
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 4: Last thing is going to break. I think the how

950
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: bad the defense is kind of gives you a pass.

951
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 4: Like if the defense was like eighteenth ranked or something

952
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: like that, and somebody going to Jerry Jones room, Okay,

953
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: you you being goofy.

954
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 5: Now you're being petty.

955
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 4: It's eighteenth overro but like the level of danger like

956
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: bro we thirty ninth defense, I would expect Jerry to

957
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 4: be like, hey, my door is open.

958
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 5: I need answer from somebody because we're thirty nine.

959
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 4: This ain't like Ambar took something home that she was

960
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: going to be taking, Like the building's on fire, call Derry.

961
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, Like it it should be

962
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: worth going to Jerry Jones because you're horrible and you're

963
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: wasting like decks.

964
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Thanks, Brian.

965
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: Believe no, no, I just like I said, I believe

966
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: that as a manager you have to be able to

967
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 3: go out in the field and talk to your guys

968
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: and gals and learn from them, you know, and kind

969
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: of have an understanding. I think to many times that

970
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: people are afraid to top have conversations because they don't

971
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 3: want to go in your office and talk about it.

972
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: But if you catch them in their areas or take

973
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 3: them out, take them out for a walk, walk around

974
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: the field, whatever you have to do, you learn a

975
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: lot that way. You learn what's troubling, you learn what's right,

976
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: and maybe what you learn what you can fix and what.

977
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 8: You can't fix.

978
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 9: And that's where I'm right with you, Brian, and like

979
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 9: flipping this thing around rather than you being the one

980
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 9: going up of the command realistically, yeah that sounds good,

981
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 9: but if you put yourself in that real position, it's

982
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 9: a very difficult thing, is very tough. But that's where

983
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 9: it goes down to management and them being the ones

984
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 9: being proactive in having those conversations going up to whoever.

985
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 9: And I know that's a difficult thing to do during

986
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 9: the season, but we all knew where the arrow was pointing.

987
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 9: We all knew what the outcome was about to be.

988
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 9: So you've had weeks again, we don't know if the

989
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 9: if these conversations have been happening. They could don't have

990
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 9: they could have, they could have. We're just having a

991
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 9: conversation here for a show. Since this weekend we played

992
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 9: the Giants, so we gotta do something.

993
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 7: But that's the point.

994
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 9: It's like, Yeah, you gotta be proactive in that sense

995
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 9: of having those conversations. And when we do meet, like

996
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 9: for example, in our review, let's say we have a

997
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 9: bunch of people above me between you and me, when

998
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 9: we have that conversation in our yearly review, I would

999
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 9: hope that at that point, let's say you asked me, okay,

1000
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 9: did you talk to so and so, And I say, yes,

1001
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 9: I talked to this person, that person and that person.

1002
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 9: Nothing changed, And then that's where I have more understanding

1003
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 9: for that person. Yeah, but it's at the end of

1004
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 9: the day, it's easier said than done.

1005
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 5: Please, but.

1006
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: I'll just say this and we'll wrap this thing up.

1007
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 6: I think I really just believe, like you have to

1008
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 6: remember that really sometimes it's easy for us and when

1009
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 6: you're commentating about football to think of all the parts players,

1010
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 6: coaches as robots.

1011
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: As you know, pieces on a board. They're not. They're human.

1012
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 5: They're people.

1013
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 6: And in the same way that we all have our

1014
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 6: own insecurities, we have our own ways that we deal

1015
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 6: with situations. We have our own fears that drive our

1016
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 6: emotions and drive our actions like they do too, And

1017
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 6: so I think it's unfair for us not to consider

1018
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 6: the fact that even though things could have gone terribly wrong,

1019
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 6: there may have been coaches who felt like and by

1020
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 6: the way, it's a I think it's a legitimate way

1021
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 6: to look at life who felt like my job is

1022
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 6: to serve the person that I'm reporting to, and so

1023
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 6: if they ask me to do something, I'm going to

1024
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 6: give it one hundred and ten percent to do what

1025
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 6: they're asking me to do. And I may not always

1026
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 6: agree because I think sometimes what is talking about. Sometimes

1027
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 6: you may not agree, and then you find out later, oh,

1028
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 6: they knew exactly what they were talking about because it

1029
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 6: all came around. So your job is ultimately you got

1030
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 6: to give feedback. I think that's important, but at the

1031
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 6: same time, it is your responsibility. I've always taken approach

1032
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 6: with my career is when When I have someone who's

1033
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 6: considered my boss, my job is to make their job easy,

1034
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 6: which means I got to do everything I can to

1035
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 6: support the things that they're trying to get done. And

1036
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 6: even if I don't necessarily agree with the direction, as

1037
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 6: long as they're not asking me to do something im

1038
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 6: moral or illegal, it's my job to try to fulfill

1039
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 6: those things and make their job easy. I'm just telling

1040
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 6: us how I approach it, and I think there are

1041
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 6: a lot of people out there who do, and I

1042
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 6: think there's some you can find success in having that

1043
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 6: that that perspective. As Jerry, I think at this point

1044
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 6: it's up to him to now figure out which of

1045
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 6: these guys were were part of the problem or which

1046
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 6: of these guys were just following the way that you

1047
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 6: were being asked for doing it the best they could do.

1048
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: When I have problems at dot Com, I go straight

1049
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: to Derry. If I got problems at Crown, I go

1050
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: straight to Brand. If I got problem is so much,

1051
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: I go straight to Ambar. Ain't no chain of command.

1052
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: I'm going straight to the top.

1053
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 2: We hired your solmos he on this some almost staff.

1054
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: Now it's trying to get kind of like it I

1055
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: kind of like it. Let's go in.

1056
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 5: I kind of like you, you know what.

1057
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 7: I'm saying, saying it.

1058
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 5: I'm by howbita it's getting better.

1059
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, folks, we appreciate you join us. We'll

1060
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: be back tomorrow.

1061
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 8: I think we might listen to my questions on the

1062
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 8: radio this afternoon.

1063
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: No, no, we're gonna the whole show tomorrow is gonna

1064
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: be Brian's question.

1065
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 6: Is gonna be a little bit of yet anytime with

1066
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 6: Amber and we'll get ready for a happy new Year.

1067
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 6: We're back till then for Batulan Bardy. Brian brought us

1068
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 6: in Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Elton. This has been the

1069
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 6: Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

1070
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

1071
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,640
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