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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Friday, September twelfth, and it took

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Speaker 1: thirty three hours over three days, but they got the

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Speaker 1: guy who they say shot and killed Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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Speaker 1: The headline is that he was arrested last night ten

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Speaker 1: o'clock local time in Utah. But is a twenty two

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Speaker 1: year old man from Utah and his name is Tyler Robinson.

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Speaker 3: And Tyler Robinson was brought into custody by members of

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Speaker 3: his own family, a family friend also involved in One

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Speaker 3: of his friends as well also gave information to police.

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Speaker 3: So this was a matter of family members recognizing him,

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Speaker 3: finding some sort of similarities to what they were seeing

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Speaker 3: on the news and what they were hearing from him,

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Speaker 3: and put two and two together, and according to authorities,

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Speaker 3: he confessed to his family that he in fact was

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Speaker 3: the shooter.

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Speaker 1: And people are trying to piece together right now as

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Speaker 1: much as they can about Tyler Robinson, who he is,

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Speaker 1: where he's from, what his ideology might have been, and

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Speaker 1: what his motives might be. Right now, all police are

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Speaker 1: saying is that this is the guy. They are sure

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Speaker 1: this is the guy. They don't expect any other arrests

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Speaker 1: to be made. They don't believe anyone else was responsible,

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Speaker 1: but they did not speculate, at least at this point

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Speaker 1: about a potential motive. Now Robes, this was an interesting

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Speaker 1: morning because we got up and did our regular daily

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Speaker 1: news podcast Morning Run. Still no one had been caught

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Speaker 1: by the time we finished. By the time we get

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Speaker 1: done with that, we see Donald Trump show up on

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Speaker 1: Fox and Friends and made himself comfortable.

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Speaker 4: That's right, so you said.

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Speaker 3: When we woke up and we recorded Morning Run, no

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Speaker 3: one had been arrested as far as we knew. The

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Speaker 3: truth is someone had been arrested. And yes, President Trump

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Speaker 3: announced it to the world on Fox and Friends, and

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Speaker 3: that is how we found out. And he wasn't even

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent. He used words like he was fairly certain,

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Speaker 3: like it wasn't. So we were still waiting for the

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Speaker 1: And but at that point it was everywhere and every

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Speaker 1: network had picked it up. You, I'm sure you all

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Speaker 1: got the breaking news or learns, and all of them

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Speaker 1: had to say this. Trump says that the shooter has

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Speaker 1: been caught.

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Speaker 3: I noticed at the press conference when we finally did

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Speaker 3: get word from officials. They said, you may have heard

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Speaker 3: that Trump reported. It's almost as if in this story,

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Speaker 3: from the moment that we found out Charlie Kirk had died,

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Speaker 3: it was from Trump we found out there was someone

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Speaker 3: under arrest.

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Speaker 4: From Trump.

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Speaker 3: He has been the spokesperson, so to speak, and the

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Speaker 3: reporter of the latest information in this case, which has

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Speaker 3: not been anything I've ever seen before.

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Speaker 1: He has been the source and has let you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he insisted on it,

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Speaker 1: but how close he is to this guy, to this

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Speaker 1: story and what it means to him personally. Now we

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Speaker 1: had at that point. Once he showed up, it was

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Speaker 1: around eight o'clock Eastern time that he sat down, and

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Speaker 1: he was at Fox and Friends in the studio here

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Speaker 1: in New York. He had been here with the nine

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Speaker 1: eleven commemorations over at Yankee Stadium last night. You could

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Speaker 1: tell he was comfortable. He was sitting down, He had

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Speaker 1: he was comfortable. They were trying to get information from

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Speaker 1: him about the shooting, and he was on for an hour.

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Speaker 1: He tried, They tried and tried, and he just seemed

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Speaker 3: It's true, but it is funny you mentioned, and it's

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Speaker 3: true you said it when we were watching. Look how

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Speaker 3: much different he looks than he did twenty four hours

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Speaker 3: ago when we saw him at the Pentagon. He looked defeated,

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Speaker 3: he looked exhausted, he looked sad, he looked he didn't

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Speaker 3: now apprehended behind bars and justice was going to be served,

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Speaker 3: and that might have allowed him a good night's rest, so.

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Speaker 1: He was so Yes, he probably did get word last night.

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Speaker 1: But again most of us went to bed not knowing

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Speaker 1: they had this person in custody. This would have been

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Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. Now, meantime, there was a press

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Speaker 1: conference that was scheduled in Utah for nine am Eastern time.

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Speaker 1: So again with the timing, the President sits down with

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Speaker 1: Fox and Friends Live at eight am Eastern press conference

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Speaker 1: with an update about the shooting supposed to be at

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Speaker 3: No, In fact, you said, ain't no way this press

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Speaker 3: sure that well, we can only guess that that is

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Speaker 3: part of the reason why we initially got a thirty

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Speaker 1: And once they started talking, these were the new details

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Speaker 1: we got. Now, we did hear from the Utah governor

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Speaker 1: Pattel was at the press conference. But all the questions

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Speaker 1: It was the family wasn't the public. They say they

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Speaker 1: have gotten eleven thousand leads having to do with this case,

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Speaker 1: they have to track them all down, But in fact

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Speaker 1: it was the family members, in particular now Robes reportedly

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Speaker 1: the father of the suspect who had gotten suspicious talk

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Speaker 1: to his son about it. And this is where I

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Speaker 1: think Governor Cox used the word confessed. That the suspect

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Speaker 1: either confessed or certainly implied. That's the impression that the

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Speaker 3: I just put myself in that position and cannot even

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Speaker 3: imagine because obviously we have heard for now two days

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Speaker 4: So what do you do as a father? You have your.

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Speaker 3: Son, you're suspicious, You confront him, he confesses in some way,

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Speaker 3: And from what we gathered from the press conference, the

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Speaker 3: that actually makes a lot of sense. I can absolutely

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Speaker 3: first phone call probably wouldn't be to police. It would

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Speaker 3: be to get counseled, and maybe even spiritual or religious counsel.

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Speaker 3: Because what an unbelievable position to be in as a

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Speaker 1: It's incredible you think maybe your first call would be

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Speaker 1: to your point Because you asked me that question, I

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Speaker 1: hadn't considered You're yeah, you called.

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Speaker 4: What do you do?

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Speaker 2: You are sentencing your.

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Speaker 1: spiritual counsel makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I just that has got to be such a

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Speaker 3: But in fact, so through that reach out to the pastor,

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Speaker 3: I believe it was did you gather that the pastor

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Speaker 3: then called police?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Because is there a duty at that point or is there?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know priests have confidentiality, so I don't

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Speaker 3: know how it works in other religions.

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Speaker 4: If there's a.

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Speaker 3: Legal understanding that you don't have to you aren't forced

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Speaker 3: to contact police. I know priests and therapists perhaps are

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Speaker 3: in that situation. But if you think there's a threat,

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Speaker 3: to anyone else's life. I don't actually know the law

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Speaker 3: on this, but the pastor, for whatever reason, and perhaps

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Speaker 3: even with the father's blessing, we don't know, the pastor

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Speaker 1: We should mention the authorities say that don't expect so

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Speaker 1: as you were pointing out their ropes, like what the

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Speaker 1: rules are as far as the pastor goes, but what

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Speaker 1: are the rules when it comes to the dad as well?

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Speaker 1: What he's supposed to do and obligated to do, isn't

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Speaker 1: it at that point if you suspect or if you

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Speaker 1: certainly know you're aiding in a bedding.

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Speaker 4: Correct, that's that point correct? But they did say it didn't.

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Speaker 3: They didn't think as of now where the investigation was,

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Speaker 3: that there would be any arrest, including a roommate of

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Speaker 3: did get some interesting details, including a recent family dinner

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Speaker 3: Saint George's nearby. I've actually been to Saint George. It

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Speaker 4: It is in the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I actually was doing a

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Speaker 3: And this is exactly where he is from that area

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Speaker 3: so it was quite some distance. But he mentioned that

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Speaker 3: didn't like him. That's as far as we heard in

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Speaker 1: And to say that again from family members who obviously

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Speaker 1: the police have been talking to quite extensively, but they

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Speaker 1: were giving just little nuggets, little insights that say he

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Speaker 1: has become this family member of there's Tyler Robinson more

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Speaker 1: political in recent years. What does that mean, we don't know,

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Speaker 1: But that was the extent of the insight at least

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Speaker 1: have been upset. But again, the family member, at least

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Speaker 1: what they told us today, the family members that he

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Speaker 1: didn't like him, didn't like things he said, but nothing

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Speaker 1: at least they released today rose to the level of

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Speaker 1: thinking this guy was radical.

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Speaker 3: Where you would be concerned that your son or your

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Speaker 3: family member do something extreme or take matters into their

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Speaker 1: We always see the warning signs, and then that today

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Speaker 1: at least they have not suggested that family members failed

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Speaker 3: Correct, and when they did put two and two together

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Speaker 3: and when they did confront him, they ultimately did do

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Speaker 1: And the roommate messages you were talking about as well,

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Speaker 1: the roommate he had had sent the roommate some messages

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Speaker 1: in the roommate had no problem showing the police the messages,

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Speaker 3: But it's familiar because it makes you think that you know,

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Speaker 4: Have you heard of this before?

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Speaker 1: So we had messages on these bullets and these casings

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Speaker 3: Yes, because I was the same, I was like, wait,

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Speaker 4: Lmao, laughing my ass off.

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Speaker 3: Don't really like it's I don't know if maybe he

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Speaker 1: And the governor, who was really in these all, he said,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't make out what he was saying, but

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Speaker 3: He said, he said in that I remember, Okay, so

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Speaker 1: The song and the engravings it said on the casing.

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Speaker 1: According to the governor, oh bella chow, bella chow, bella

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Speaker 4: And then we did some.

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Speaker 3: It's a song of rising up. It's a song of

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Speaker 2: But the story you're telling me about I didn't remember

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Speaker 1: If anybody don't, you would know as soon as you

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Speaker 4: It feels celebratory.

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Speaker 4: It was so bizarre.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know if any one of you listening

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Speaker 2: You all forgive us notices.

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Speaker 4: I guess we're old people.

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Speaker 1: We don't know when you knocked this out for right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other thing with the hay fascist catch,

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure it'll be dissected for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: And some of the things we heard. We looked at you,

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Speaker 3: Things seemed really like lmao, like that seemed incredibly childish

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Speaker 5: It, or confused by it, or maybe you didn't think

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Speaker 3: from Utah because then it wouldn't stain our state. No,

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Speaker 3: we're all humans, We're all Americans. Isn't that the point

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Speaker 3: we're making. It shouldn't be Republicans versus Democrats, utah ins

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Speaker 3: versus New Yorkers like he actually fed into the exact

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Speaker 3: storyline he was trying to dissolve by saying we should

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Speaker 3: all unite and talk through things and work together, and

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Speaker 3: violence isn't the option all. But then he completely went

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Speaker 3: straight to tribalism by saying, I was praying that it

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Speaker 3: because it turns out it was one of us.

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Speaker 4: No, it's all of us humans. People find even Americans.

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Speaker 3: I just I was scratching my head because I maybe

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Speaker 3: he just didn't realize that he was literally actually feeding

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Speaker 3: into a narrative.

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Speaker 4: He was trying to tell us all to rise above, and.

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Speaker 2: We can't help.

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Speaker 1: But and this was the best point, Robes, And that

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Speaker 1: was a great one to make to end on here

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Speaker 1: hoping he wasn't one of us.

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Speaker 4: He is one of us.

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Speaker 1: He's one of ours. He's one of all of ours.

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Speaker 1: Where did we in New York fail some kid in Utah?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but we're all a part of this mess.

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Speaker 1: And whatever created this young man who felt he had

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Speaker 1: to do what he did, we want to dismiss and

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Speaker 1: say he's sick, he's all these things. The act was evil,

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Speaker 1: But what is he?

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Speaker 2: I wonder? The act was evil?

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Speaker 1: Can we ever separate the act from the actor and

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Speaker 1: realize that he is an American, a human being. He

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Speaker 1: stop creating those type of Americans. And so that was

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Speaker 1: tough to you. We did not discuss this ahead of time,

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Speaker 1: But to your point, he made a fifteen minute speech

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Speaker 1: about us all coming together and saying, damn, he ain't

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Speaker 4: It's a very good point, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think the other takeaway for me, I know so

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Speaker 3: many of us feel helpless, not just with this story,

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Speaker 3: but with so many of these stories of shooters, and

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Speaker 3: you know, the red sign, the red flags and the

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Speaker 3: warning signs we missed. I think where I am right now,

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Speaker 3: all individually that I feel like I can do today,

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Speaker 3: right now, is to be tolerant, To be more tolerant

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Speaker 3: when someone says something I don't like, when someone believes

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Speaker 3: something I don't agree with, or someone actually I vehemently oppose,

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Speaker 3: to take a beat, to be tolerant, to keep my

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Speaker 3: mind open, to not jump to assumptions or judgments. And

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Speaker 3: I think individually, we can all do that, and we

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Speaker 3: can all take that on as a mission and something

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Speaker 3: that we practice daily. And kids are kids, Younger folks

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Speaker 3: are watching us, and what we do and what we

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Speaker 3: say matters, and that's where our power lies.

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, there will be plenty more updates. We will

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Speaker 1: bring them to you. We've been hopping on in front

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Speaker 1: of these microphones. Uh an awful lot. It seems as

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Speaker 1: weak with a lot of updates. We appreciate you always

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Speaker 1: listening to us again. Top right button of the screen

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Speaker 2: Uh, they'll come right to you.

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Speaker 1: But as always, folks, we appreciate you listening to us.

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Speaker 2: Premier Robot come TJ. Holmes, Talk to you soon.

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